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  • Опубліковано 4 кві 2019
  • I'm very embarrassed to release this video...however I wanted to share what I did to prevent anyone else making a similar mistake. As they say...a good pilot is always learning.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 181

  • @braedondurfee7056
    @braedondurfee7056 4 роки тому +8

    This is what I love about the aviation community all over the world. We own up to what we are responsible for, teach others, and learn from our mistakes. Great work!

  • @bEEBO178
    @bEEBO178 5 років тому +2

    Great that you put this online. I made a stupid mistake 2 years ago. Was given a conditional clearance (line up and wait) on the runway. I thought I heard the clearance for cleared for takeoff not long after but misheard. Took off, knew i made a massive mistake. Told to call ATC on my return. To cut a long story short i had to have a meeting, went over my RT recording. Really embarrassing mistake. That was the end of it really after the meeting.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      beebo I guess that could have had a lot worse outcome! Thanks for sharing, thank you for watching too 👌🏼

  • @2025at
    @2025at 5 років тому +17

    I busted Bravo (KORD) once. Lasted for 3 minutes. Way too long.... No number to call given.
    Reported to NASA ( gives kind of relief if FAA wants to go after you). I love the regulation allowing
    pilots to “ confess” instead of going after us for every single mistake we do.
    If deviation is not serious FAA prefers to educate instead of penalize. What a great idea.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      ATOMEK2025 great idea indeed.

    • @sethking5421
      @sethking5421 5 років тому +1

      yep i cant believe they went after you for that. i guess you were on their final approach path or a departure? learning is learning just more than 1 way to do it . lol

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Seth King I think it was on departures 🙈 thanks for watching

    • @danielmills-thysen9807
      @danielmills-thysen9807 5 років тому +1

      @@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs If it was the departures should have been absolutely no where near your altitude. The jets climb at a very steep angle, they'll be way above bottom of controlled airspace.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      @@danielmills-thysen9807 yeah you are probably right, however rules are rules.

  • @abdulmismail
    @abdulmismail 10 місяців тому

    Actually appreciate you posting the mistake. My airmanship back in 1998 in the US was fine but only re-started lesson after a 20 year absence and I'm finding there's a lot more going on and it's hard to keep on top of things, i.e. aviate, navigate, communicate. My comms in the UK is/was dreadful and I remember in one lesson, I went from 1300ft to 700ft to 1700ft when we were in Controlled Airspace "not above 1,500ft". Stangely enough, my (now previous) instructor just sat there and didn't say anything until after the infringement.

  • @keithdixon7790
    @keithdixon7790 5 років тому +18

    Thank you for sharing. It takes a certain level of integrity to share at your expense for others to learn from.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks Keith. After reading all the comments on the forums I'm not so sure!!! It's certainly ruffled some feathers.

  • @peterwakefield915
    @peterwakefield915 5 років тому +30

    Not embarrassing at all, just shows how a simple you can wonder into control airspace by not realising being on correct pressure setting. QNH / QFE. Could I ask what the CAA have said & what are there intendtions

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +14

      Hey Peter thanks for the message. Yes...I recieved an email from them, as they contacted my club for my details. asked for a full written report of what happened and provide any evidence I had. I sent the report over, along with SkyDemon debrief pack and the video. Then had to wait 2 weeks for it to be discussed. I called them this week to see what the outcome was and they said no further action required. (Thankfully!) However I know that you can sometimes been asked to sit a test, and in certain situations have your licence suspended/removed.

  • @kevchilton908
    @kevchilton908 5 років тому +7

    Well done for your honesty and sharing your mistake. I fly out of Tatenhill and have to watch the same airspace from the other side but enjoy a bit more of a buffer. With so many things to remember it’s so easy to miss something. On the whole you do very well. Don’t let it put you off. We’re always learning and if it was always easy it wouldn’t be as much fun! You should be very proud of what you’ve achieved, and no doubt there’s more to come.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks Kevin appreciate your message and support 👍👍I need to visit Your airfield this summer.

  • @stevebriley7383
    @stevebriley7383 5 років тому +2

    Good man for sharing! Being open about mistakes is how we learn as a community! It takes guts to put it out there and I’m grateful you did!

  • @jibeneyto91
    @jibeneyto91 3 роки тому +2

    And this is one further reason why the QFE is a completely rubbish altimeter setting that nobody else outside of the UK uses and really should be forgotten.

  • @mranschutz
    @mranschutz 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you for your honest report and I found this very informative. I fly from north weald which sits underneath Stansted controlled airspace. I have to stay below 1500 feet QNH and use transponder which is compulsory ( compulsory transponder zone ) a number of people flying from my club at north weald have committed these errors most have had to do a course. Thank you for your vlogs I enjoy them very much. Regards Ian

  • @nfortescue
    @nfortescue 5 років тому +9

    Well done on being brave for sharing. I really appreciate the chance to learn from your mistake. Thank you, it is much appreciated.

  • @user-dy9ef5kt6q
    @user-dy9ef5kt6q 9 днів тому

    Great thanks for sharing and thanks for the honesty, easy mistake to make when operating underneath controlled airspace and the variation between QNH and QFE. Safe flying.

  • @marinaa7875
    @marinaa7875 5 років тому +6

    At least you’re staying current and building confidence and experience. More than I can say for myself so well done despite the error. It’s where we get our best lessons through mistakes, no one hurt no harm done so all good.

  • @RoryOnAir
    @RoryOnAir 5 років тому +2

    Courageous and helpful of you to share this mistake. Being based at Barton, which is next to and under busy Manchester controlled airspace I’m always very concerned about the potential for busting the airspace. I tend to stay on QNH until I’m actually defending deadside. Good on you for sharing and I’m glad nothing bad came of it for you.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +2

      Thank you Rory. Certainly gave me a fright. When i called the CAA this week they had 20 infringements to discuss at a hearing on Monday. Thankfully nothing was diverted or life was at immediate risk. Nothing better than publicly humiliating yourself on UA-cam to teach yourself a lesson! :)

    • @RoryOnAir
      @RoryOnAir 5 років тому +2

      Private Pilot Vlogs well it could so easily happen so any one of us so I think it’s great you’ve shared.

  • @visarma9673
    @visarma9673 5 років тому +3

    GPS’s are an easy way around these issues... that and a correct Altimeter Setting... as a kid flying in the USA, I was overly aware that ATC radar was somewhat flawed (sometimes huge discrepancies) and tried to stay 2 miles away or 300’ below/above airspace concerns... on my multi-engine IFR check-ride (in crazy windy and rainy weather) I was busted for going below the MDA (minimum decent altitude) by 20 feet.... I hit a wind gust that dropped us on approach by 300’ in a nanosecond. So, hence my 300’ rule.. Good lesson..

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      Robert Kaindl great advice. Thanks for commenting 👌🏼

    • @visarma9673
      @visarma9673 5 років тому +1

      Keep up the good work.. your channel will grow... and I look forward to watching it happen...

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      @@visarma9673 thank you I really appreciate that, there is another video to drop soon. I've had an incredible response to this, huge in the US too which is awesome.

  • @SERVICEOFHUMMANITY
    @SERVICEOFHUMMANITY 4 роки тому +1

    just after finishing studying altimeter settings and what to look out for. Great to see this real world example of what to be careful of when switching between the two.

  • @dansage
    @dansage 2 роки тому +1

    How did brum think you were at 2000'? From the video the max you were at on altimeter was 1650' and diff between the QNH you were on and the QFE is only 100' so you can't have been more than 1750' ?

  • @pplvideodiary
    @pplvideodiary 5 років тому +2

    Thanks for sharing this Adam, I really appreciate your honesty and it would have been far easier for you to have kept this to yourself and not shared all. We are all human and we all make mistakes, It’s about how we learn from it. Every time I fly I see pilots making a lot more dangerous and critical mistakes than the one you made. It’s very easy to pick things apart from the comfort of an armchair when watching a video back and feel that a lot of the comments on other forums about this video are quite frankly unjust and rude . TBH, instructors and examiners make a lot of mistakes too including non standard RT (like I said, we are all human). Keep up the great work and looking forward to your next vlog.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      Hey Joe, thank you really appreciate the message. I was in 2 minds to post this but after speaking to the CAA they said it would be a good idea. It's certainly ruffled some feathers, and had some interesting comments to say the least! I think I might think twice where I post in the future. Hope you and family are good :)

  • @ur_a_buS
    @ur_a_buS 5 років тому +2

    Nice! Thanks for sharing. That's super minor, I doubt they would ever give a penalty for something like that. I got distracted by trying to fix my broken seat slider latch in a c172 and busted my atc assigned altitude by 200ft and they just gave me a "arent' you supposed to be at this altitude we gave you?" .

  • @SuperRealityKid
    @SuperRealityKid 12 днів тому

    Such a gotcha that one. I have just done an online course after busting Southamptons CTR, not a doddle, I have to say, and not for an altimeter error but I very much enjoyed the one on two Zoom course (the other infringer was a Citation pilot) of 4.5 hours duration and it heavily rammed home altimeter management. Personally, I now choose to fly on QNH into land away airfields, it's not a big deal to have the airfield elevation noted and fly that. Compton Abbas have elected to only pass QNH to arrivals (QFE on request), flying the circuit at 1800 feet and landing at 800 feet. This system is far less likely to put you into a CTR busting situation if you forget to change to QNH before taking off. I think I am now a better prepared pilot after having "switched off" during a long, no flying period, (5 months) due waterlogged farmstrip. Good topic. You have to work at not infringing.

  • @oXbarnesXo
    @oXbarnesXo 5 років тому +3

    Heya.
    Really glad you shared this as I fly from Tatenhill and I have transited BHX a few times but I do have one question. Despite having the QFE set and such, why did you choose to fly 1500ft when that is the lower limit of their CTA? Personally (Due to low hours, caution and redundancy) I might have chosen 12\1300ft which gives me room and a larger error margin. If this is within the 1000ft safety rule of course.
    I think it's fantastic you chose to share this and I know I'm not alone in knowing the best thing anyone can do is to understand and learn from others. Especially if you're thinking of flying distance through busy airspace. So thank you very much. If you visit Tatenhill you must let us know. We'll have to see if we can get you in a -181 ;)
    Happy skies all!

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      DxG Wip3outz hey thanks for your message and watching. I was planning to fly at the MSA 1,300ft but it was quite sporty that day I was all over the place! I need visit there as want to see the Air Ambulance guys there.

  • @dogsbreath2447
    @dogsbreath2447 4 роки тому +1

    Great that you shared this. An easy mistake to make and probably made by many many other pilots. Great video as always, keep em coming !

  • @sbmorris2k6
    @sbmorris2k6 2 роки тому

    So are you supposed to stay to the qnh outside of the controlled airspace or the qnh within as I read they do differ?

  • @dansage
    @dansage 2 роки тому +1

    My local airport. Shame that its about to go for good as I loved training there when it was under full ATC. You visibly went red when the controller told you to call Brum atc

  • @ThePhobicFlyer
    @ThePhobicFlyer 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for sharing. I did exactly the same on my QXC in September inbound to Cardiff. I'd changed to QFE after getting the ATIS but luckily Cardiff reminded me about 2 mins ahead and I reduced height. What was the conseqeunces from the CAA? One of my friends who flys tripple sevens said to me the day you think you've not made a mistake on your flight is the day you should give up flying.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  3 роки тому +1

      Easily done if you don’t think about it. That’s great advice from your friend! I was lucky and only got a slap on the wrists. I’ve heard of others not been so lucky!

  • @douglasb5046
    @douglasb5046 4 роки тому +1

    The easiest way to avoid airspace infringement is get a full IR rating and always file IFR. Another suggestion. PLEASE equip your steed with a shoulder harness which can and do prevent fatal injuries in the event of an accident.

    • @jibeneyto91
      @jibeneyto91 3 роки тому

      Yeah, that works everywhere in the world EXCEPT the UK. Where you can be flying IFR in Class G and they will bust you like they busted the OP in his video. No difference.

  • @danevlogs9470
    @danevlogs9470 5 років тому +3

    Came over from instagram. Great for honestly for new pilots like myself. Keep up the good work

  • @VirtualRealityPilot
    @VirtualRealityPilot 5 років тому +1

    Really good of you to share, really helpful for training pilots, particularly those flying out of Coventry. If we all share and educate it will help keep the sky safer. Thx

  • @alansimpson596
    @alansimpson596 5 років тому +6

    A very minor error. My most embarrassing moment occurred during my flight test with an examiner from the CAA. I was doing fairly well and then he suddenly exclaimed: "fire in the cockpit, fire in the cockpit!!" All that was required from me was to produce the fire extinguisher but could I remember where it was located? No. He then pointed to it located under my seat. I was sure I'd failed. We landed and we sat in silence in the aircraft while he completed his paperwork. After what seemed an eternity he said: "congratulations - you've passed". I went and had a few beers. and wondered when I would be invited to join the Red Arrows.

  • @iridiumcaptain
    @iridiumcaptain 5 років тому +12

    Three most useless things in aviation: the sky above you, the *runway behind you, and the fuel not in your tanks.
    A fact I've always considered when faced with intersection takeoffs, and something I take even more seriously after suffering an engine failure on takeoff and making it back to the runway.

  • @Barabyk
    @Barabyk 5 років тому +1

    Were there any other consequences or actions? I've been told early in my training, to stick to QNH under high workload (approach to a busy airfield, complex airspace, task saturation), and be prepared with circuit altitude calculated and written down. Thanks for sharing!

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +8

      No thankfully. I waited to release this video though...no further action. I submitted my report and video so they could see it was a genuine mistake, and that I know the difference between the QFE/QNH. If I had waiting 60 seconds to climb I would have been fine. Learnt a good lesson here. The CAA thought it would be good to share.

  • @kotezstudio
    @kotezstudio 5 років тому +2

    sooo.......what happend. I don't know the process of what happens after the phone call?

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      Andy Murray so they said they would email a questionnaire but I did t receive anything...then 3 weeks later I received an email from the CAA asking for a full report and supply any evidence which is then taken to an infringement meeting.

    • @kotezstudio
      @kotezstudio 5 років тому

      @@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs, sounds serious.
      "There of course.."
      "How can they be, there on instruments"
      [crew members plays instruments in cockpit]

  • @dansage
    @dansage 2 роки тому +1

    So easy to do, especially when in your head you'd already thought you were going to have a long final as well

  • @karenwhelan1182
    @karenwhelan1182 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks. Good learning point.

  • @andyamor9272
    @andyamor9272 5 років тому +3

    Really useful video, thanks for putting this up. Plus one for QNH only operation by the way. QFE (and regional pressure settings) should be a thing of the past in my opinion.. as your video shows only too well.
    Just one more thing.
    You "only"infringed for 60 seconds. But how was the Birmingham controller to know that at the time? The infringement could have continued for minutes, or your course could have changed or..... EGBB ATC couldn't know what would happen next of course, so ATC have to take immediate action to maintain separation with their traffic (which you will know nothing about). It can be very disruptive and does have safety implications.
    Great video with lots of learning points. All credit for sharing, well done!

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks Andy. Maybe but not everyone is as dum as me!!

    • @andyamor9272
      @andyamor9272 5 років тому +1

      Nothing to do with being dumb at all.
      We all make errors, it is the human condition. The trick is to try and learn from them. ... and you've not only done that, you've educated a few more pilots as well.... or at least made them think.
      A Good Thing.
      There's nothing mystical in QNH operations either. They are pretty much standard the world over... except in the UK. ;)

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      @@andyamor9272 thanks Andy :) making me feel a little better!

  • @RoadRunnerLaser
    @RoadRunnerLaser 5 років тому +1

    I used to live right on the edge of Wellesbourne airfield as a kid. I was watching your landing closely to see if I could catch a glimpse of XM655 just off to the right at the end of RW18.
    It's one of my bucket-list items to fly into Wellesbourne, one day.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks for watching. Ah cool! We shd share a flight someday!. www.wingly.io/en/flights/1883530

  • @mattyoung4336
    @mattyoung4336 3 роки тому +1

    I agree with everyone who has thanked you for sharing something that many wouldn't because of the ego hit, or self conscious that people may just your technical prowess. But I also want to thank you for physically showing how it happened, how easy it can happen but mostly what consequences can arise from this kind of mistake ...
    In studies/ground school, I've heard it so many times from a lecturer or instructor what happens when airspace is violated, and they all just usually say that if it happens, a fairly terse atc communication usually ensues ... or atc contact you angrily ... interestingly your video shows it's actually handled a bit more maturely and calmly. I'd expect they might get angry if you were to maybe indicate that you thought they were overreacting and it wasn't such a big deal because you didn't hit any other planes or anything (which of course, it's totally a big deal) 😂
    So thank you for the upload 👍🏼

  • @Masterkruizer
    @Masterkruizer 4 роки тому +1

    My heart sunk when I saw you switch to QFE.. simple mistake though. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Ramblequist
    @Ramblequist 5 років тому +6

    An incursion where I'm at is when a Black Hawk forces you to land, then Air Taxis behind you to your tie down. Couple guys get out then escort you inside.

  • @6024henry
    @6024henry 5 років тому +1

    i have a question when you approach the airfield you switched to there qfe but before you were already at 1500 ft before so when you saw the difference when you switch you climbed to maintain 1500 ft is that what you did ? because i'm lost here why didn't you just follow the QNH ? and maintain altitude to join the traffic pattern

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Hey Henry thanks for the question...I switched over to the QFE too early - I was approx 15 miles out and under low level airspace. I climbed thinking I was out of the airspace above me, but as the the QFE showed 1,500 ft I thought I was in limits, but in fact I was 160ft in controlled airspace. If I waited five min to change to QFE this probably wouldn't have happened.

    • @6024henry
      @6024henry 5 років тому

      @@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs hello thank you for your reply i love your videos and can you please explain to me why you are using QFE instead of QNH ? IS IT BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY LAND AROUND THE AIRFIELD AND NO SEA THATS WHY THEY GIVE YOU QFE WHICH IS ELEVATION FROM THE AIRFIELD BUT NOT QNH ?

  • @CudHppr
    @CudHppr 5 років тому +1

    Always useful to learn from others. Thank you for sharing - every flight is a learning opportunity!

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks for watching ☺️

    • @davidmichael5573
      @davidmichael5573 5 років тому +1

      Very true. I went up yesterday for the 1st in over a month. Had never got a clearance of be at a certain altitude at a certain distance out till yesterday. The good thing is I was just showed how to use VNAV earlier in the day on a previous flight. Take any opportunity to learn (even if it is a mistake) and use it.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      @@davidmichael5573 thank you good advice.

  • @davidwebber4589
    @davidwebber4589 5 років тому +1

    Good for you for posting, food for thought for us all. I fly out of Fairoaks which is within Heathrow zone and we have always stayed on QNH and circuit height of 1100ft to accommodate it being 80 AGL. So this highlighted a useful watch out for me. You can see from your vlogs you take flying seriously and certainly no chancer!

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thank you David, much appreciated. I'm not perfect pilot by any means, but certainly don't take conscious risks, I've got too much to loose!

  • @christopherwilson6527
    @christopherwilson6527 5 років тому +2

    Thanks for this. Its easy to make mistakes. Im sure im going to make a few. If you dont make mistakes, your not learning.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks for watching, appreciate your message.
      As they say... good pilot is always learning!

  • @rdc2724
    @rdc2724 5 років тому +3

    I never ever make mistekes, eh mistaikes, I mean mistakes.......

  • @2008Dru
    @2008Dru 4 роки тому +1

    i am learning to fly and your help here is great for thank you

  • @davejones542
    @davejones542 3 роки тому +1

    routing over warwick at

  • @blimpcommander1337
    @blimpcommander1337 5 років тому +1

    First I had to do some research. 38 years of flying and I had never heard of QNH or QNE. Second - Curious, when you called, what altitude did Birmingham say you had been? At anytime I am flying close to someone's airspace like this, I always obtain their altimeter setting, as variances can exist. Here in the States the altimeter setting on the ATIS could be 59 minutes old and cause an error. Finally I am very interested in the airplane you were flying. Looks like a Piper Cherokee, but I have never seen the upper windows in a Cherokee and have owned 3. Summary. I enjoyed the video and glad it went well for you. It was above and beyond the call of duty to share it. Lol. Not sure about one of the comments below. We use "Copy That" all the time. I have even flown with and worked with some Brits in airships that use that terminology. Lol

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Blimp Commander thank you for watching and your comment. Bham said I had been at 2000ft. It’s an usual 180hp Cherokee I don’t own it, it’s the clubs aircraft but I love flying it.

  • @ahziiz
    @ahziiz 5 років тому +1

    Great video, as many have said, its hard to share your mistakes but we all learn something in the end! I operate from elstree and stapleford, so have to deal with the LTMA esp for over head joins at elstree it can become abit iffy. If i could offer some advice take it or leave it! :) Personally i've always kept as far as practical away from airspace by at least 500 ft vertically in my hour building and that usually saved me the hassle of QFE and QNH changes but i way to conservative, During the cpl and meir, I found keeping 200ft or 300ft hard buffer for planned altitudes below CAS is the best way to go and gives you flexibility for minor changes in QNH as well as turbulence/thermals. I would only fly with a minimum 100ft buffer if it was over something substantial, such as a built up area/water but would pay extra attention to the altimeter and setting. Also when joining the circuit and getting a QFE, prior to setting, leave yourself enough time to self brief your approach inbound, normal stuff such as radios/join tracks etc, but also including the expected airspace restrictions and how the altimetery affects your buffer. That way you can double check everything is set up as well as gain a good situational awareness. Its stuff that you kind of get more training to do in the IR for approach briefings, but its definitely something I want to work into my private flying in an abridged form at least! I know its probably stuff you do already, and I hope I haven't bored you, but I guess sharing is caring!! All the best, fly safe!

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks for the message Aziz, appreciate the advice too.(You didn't bore me!!) I would normally give myself more of a buffer but my routing had a MSA of 1300. My aim was to stick to that, but didn't work out. I flown out of Denham with a friend last year so I understand the margins a super tight in London. Take care, and thank you again. :)

  • @kevinrobinson1815
    @kevinrobinson1815 4 роки тому +1

    Very easy mistake to make so don’t feel embarrassed.
    Thanks for sharing

  • @simonlepilot6465
    @simonlepilot6465 5 років тому +2

    Great video, I am currently doing my PPL and thanks for showing us how easy it is to make a simple mistakes and to learn from them. Apart from having Sky Demon, at least you had video evidence to prove your innocence.
    Onwards and upwards.. stay safe. 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +2

      Thanks for the message Simon. I wasn’t innocent but wasn’t aware! Good luck with your training. 👍

  • @zzmike
    @zzmike 2 роки тому

    Good for you for posting. Not the easiest of things, by any means! Bravo!

    • @zzmike
      @zzmike 2 роки тому

      As a US pilot I have not crossed swords with QFE (landing datum referenced to the field elevation) but I think your incident calls the whole use of it INTO QUESTION! Better QNH!!

  • @speedbird737
    @speedbird737 5 років тому +1

    Great share very good advice!

  • @adaptedvinyl
    @adaptedvinyl 5 років тому +1

    Didn't your SkyDemon give you an alert warning when you entered the airspace? I'm curious as I've just started using it and I'd like to know if it's not reliable in any way.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      adaptedvinyl it must have but I didn’t see it. In the video you may notice I keep looking down, which is because I’m using SkyDemon on my lap and alerts keeping going off.I need to work out how to connect the audio output from my iPad into my headphones. I guess it will be a cable adapter. SkyDemon is 100% reliable.

    • @adaptedvinyl
      @adaptedvinyl 5 років тому +1

      Thanks for your reply and for sharing your story.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      adaptedvinyl 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @CAoffRoading
      @CAoffRoading 5 років тому

      @@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs full disclaimer, not a pilot. That being said I am however a trucker and do utilize several digital sources of information. The thought had occurred to me that your lap is probably a bad spot for that information display. Would there be any way to mount it on the dash or somewhere of the like so that you can maintain your line of sight? I have 2 phones stuck to my dash with velcro that I use for real time weather info (tornado warnings, radar, etc), satelite view of my location (finding a turnaround point or parking normally), and traffic view. I keep them oriented in such a way that my eye doesn't fully leave the road. I imagine keeping all your instruments and surroundings in sight would be beneficial in the air too.
      Again just curious. Not criticizing you nor am I a pilot. Just enjoy the videos.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      @@CAoffRoading thank you for the message. you are TOTALLY right too. First one to really say that too. I do have a Ram Mount which lets me mount my iPad to the yoke. As this was a quick flight it was just easier to jump and go. Also last summer having the ipad on my lap made it over heat too! (Sweaty hot legs!!) I'm going to start using it again though. Appreciate your comment. Keep on trucking dude..

  • @flyingkub
    @flyingkub 4 роки тому +1

    Easy mistake to make, nearly did it myself taking off out of Shipdham going out under Norwich CTA, luck for me ATC gave out a change in QNH and I found I was just 100ft below when I thought I was 500ft (thankfully I had been keeping hard on my hight for practice).

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  4 роки тому +1

      Flying Kub you were lucky

    • @flyingkub
      @flyingkub 4 роки тому +1

      @@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs If I had been a bit more slack on maintaining heigh I would have busted. It brings up a weakness in the listening sqwark system as I took off with the QNH as set on my outward flight and the pressure of the day had changed a fair bit, if I had asked for a service they would have given me the QNH and that would have made it clear, now I listen to the weather before I leave the ground or just ask them to be sure. I learned my lesson, without being spanked but it could have been just like you (talking to the Head Master).

  • @lord_pepperton9785
    @lord_pepperton9785 5 років тому +1

    My check flight is this may for my ppl, I'm happy to know that even after my student flying, it's not the end of the world if I make a mistake. Thank you for sharing

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      Good luck with your check ride. :) I guess it depends on the mistake. Fly like you have been taught and keep learning. Stay safe dude. (PS. I was with my CFI at the weekend and she failed a check ride for busting airspace!!! Be careful!)

  • @LeeRussell
    @LeeRussell 5 років тому +3

    Thanks for sharing, takes guts to do that - fair play Sir! 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @danielmills-thysen9807
    @danielmills-thysen9807 5 років тому +6

    This is pretty dumb. Not on your part, but on the part of whatever controller decided to write you up for busting the airspace. This would never happen in the US unless you caused a conflict. This might be one of the few areas where the US does it right.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks for commenting. I think this particular piece of airspace is busted ALL the time.

    • @christaylor3549
      @christaylor3549 3 роки тому

      this is the UK, people here go to jail for watching tv without a licence.

  • @spencerjohnson7103
    @spencerjohnson7103 5 років тому +2

    Thank you for releasing this!

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Pleasure - had some interesting response! Its good to share. Thank you for watching, appreciate it.

  • @BAZZAROU812
    @BAZZAROU812 5 років тому +2

    Mistakes and bad decisions are two things..

  • @dasrockness
    @dasrockness 5 років тому

    What year is this Cherokee? I think I have the same exact one.

    • @dasrockness
      @dasrockness 5 років тому

      You have fancy upper windows that I don't have and a Ram yoke so I am guessing late 60's.

  • @barisyildirim4167
    @barisyildirim4167 5 років тому

    Curious why use the QFE and not QNH?

    • @barisyildirim4167
      @barisyildirim4167 5 років тому +1

      Never mind. I just realized the circuit for that airfield is published in AGL not MSL. Good example though. Thanks for posting.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @MrProach2
    @MrProach2 5 років тому +1

    Why are you asking for joining "instructions" from a service that cannot provide same?

  • @Vincent-Vega24
    @Vincent-Vega24 5 років тому +1

    You learn everyday!!

  • @Treadstone7
    @Treadstone7 5 років тому +1

    I thought QFE is only used in Russia and China🤔

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      SierraFox5418 Good Morning it’s used in the UK

    • @Treadstone7
      @Treadstone7 5 років тому +1

      @@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs yeah I know that now 😅

  • @plumbdog1964
    @plumbdog1964 4 роки тому +1

    Well done for sharing mate

  • @joem5110
    @joem5110 5 років тому +1

    Shit happens. Seems like they made a bigger deal out of it then what they should have.

  • @fredthekiller1441
    @fredthekiller1441 3 роки тому

    Top man

  • @matthewnoaks4759
    @matthewnoaks4759 5 років тому +1

    Hey. I was born in warwick as well

  • @MrProach2
    @MrProach2 5 років тому +4

    Please don't say "Copy that". You must watch American cop shows.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Bad habit lol!

    • @voornaam3191
      @voornaam3191 5 років тому

      - Redskin Green, your intentions are unreadable, say again.
      - Again!
      - Request permission for low pass.
      - Negative.
      - Did you just say negative?
      - Affirmative.
      - I read affirmative!
      And Redskin Green did a low pass.
      Redskin Green is a cartoon fighter pilot...

  • @arcticshadowmonkeys
    @arcticshadowmonkeys 5 років тому +1

    An easy mistake to make, thanks for sharing it. What did Birmingham have to say?

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Thank yo for watching. They were fine on the phone, but actually said I infringed up to 2000ft, which I knew was not true. However when i looked back I saw I had infringed to my sock, however only by 160ft. On SkyDemon you can create a debrief pack. The CAA emailed me asking for a full report and any evidence.

    • @alexeyalekseev4197
      @alexeyalekseev4197 5 років тому +2

      @@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs they get altitude from transponder on 1013 and then transfer to QNH. Errors do happen hence I am trying to have a bit of buffer

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      @@alexeyalekseev4197 do you know I didn't know that!

    • @alexeyalekseev4197
      @alexeyalekseev4197 5 років тому

      Private Pilot Vlogs why English people keep doing it to me😂 I’m a poor foreigner who doesn’t get sarcasm, so now I’m genuinely wondering if you didn’t know or trying to call me out for playing a smartass🙈 the main point is that Birmingham could have been genuinely thinking it’s been up to 2000 simply due some instrument error

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      @@alexeyalekseev4197 genuinely didn't know that dude!!

  • @felixwilson5130
    @felixwilson5130 5 років тому

    Thanks for sharing

  • @stanley6680
    @stanley6680 4 роки тому +1

    Your at my house!

  • @MrProach2
    @MrProach2 5 років тому

    But very well done for offering this as an educational video.

  • @CharlesReiche
    @CharlesReiche 5 років тому

    Operating on 2 different pressure standards seems ridiculous.

    • @catabaticanabatic3800
      @catabaticanabatic3800 5 років тому

      To a British Pilot , flying on one might well seem ridiculous my friend. What do you suggest for airways flying , Flight level,QFE or QNH? After all, more than one is ridiculous.

  • @TheRPMCreation
    @TheRPMCreation 5 років тому +3

    This is why in Australia no one uses QFE ever! Always QNH. I fly I Citation 560. @reidymitchell on insta.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому +1

      Followed thanks for watching :)

    • @PaulTranAU
      @PaulTranAU 5 років тому +2

      Agreed! As an Aussie pilot we don’t use QFE and based on this video, thankfully one less thing I have to worry about.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Paul Tran 👌🏼✅

  • @ijontichy1725
    @ijontichy1725 5 років тому +1

    Nice video, but man - change your startup technique!
    Going almost 2000RPM just after engine start is an engine killer. Keep it at 1000RPM maximum.
    You have no oil pressure for first few seconds and at that moment engine speed should be minimal.

    • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
      @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs  5 років тому

      Ijon Tichy well spotted I hadn’t noticed that! Wasn’t intentional. Thanks for watching appreciate your message

  • @greghanaway
    @greghanaway 5 років тому +1

    200'? Tell'em to piss off. The airspace isn't calibrated that closely. Ha.

  • @danharrodian
    @danharrodian 5 років тому +3

    So, just a little bit pregnant then; not much, only slightly. Also, asking for a long final... when most are calling dead side descending. Irritating. You're sounding like a by-the-seat-of-their-pants chancer. Come on, you can do better. Thanks for the video nonetheless. Liked for honesty.

  • @sonicimperium
    @sonicimperium 5 років тому

    Clickbait thumbnail. Tired of drama.