How Strong Is Fenrir Damage Calc Of Her Stars, Matrixes & F2P Teams | Tower of Fantasy

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  • @jaydingiesler5280
    @jaydingiesler5280 Рік тому +5

    My time has come 🥰 First time going all in A6 + 3 star 4 piece. Not pulling till I kick this sickness tho. Thanks for this, all the different combinations are very helpful. Shared ❤

  • @iDropdead
    @iDropdead Рік тому +21

    Funny how you choose the route of "average player stats" but whale route with 6 stars and limited matrices with 3 stars which none average player can achieve, at that point should just put whale stats and weapons and do the test then average player stats and weapon and do the test so people have a better view of the weapon, instead of a unrealistic scenario lmao but thx tho at the end is just power creep

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Unfortunately can't lower stars. So hard to do every scenario.

  • @edentity3183
    @edentity3183 Рік тому +4

    Hi I used saki alyss fenrir with 4k alyss trait, had more dps total than my test with saki lin fenrir. It plays the same as the saki lin fen, but you get a billion alyss discharges instead of lin support

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Interesting I can see that working. have to try that comp out

    • @Denis0064
      @Denis0064 Рік тому +1

      Would you say a1 fenrir beats a6 frigg with saki and alyss?

    • @edentity3183
      @edentity3183 Рік тому +1

      @@Denis0064 I don't have a6 frigg, but swapping a3 fen in for a1 lin was like 30-40% dps increase. I also don't have claudia matrices, I imagine with those this comp does way more damage as well. It ends up being ~55% fen 35-45% alyss 0-10% saki in terms of the damage and most of the alyss damage is just her discharges from a1 + 4k trait so claudia matrices would definitely be a big boost

  • @robmiller9387
    @robmiller9387 Рік тому +2

    As a brand new player is it better to pull for her or Nemesis? My current SSR are A1 Meryl and A0 Huma. I have 2 unused SSR weapon boxes, I dont believe Nemesis will get put in there when she goes to standard banner?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      I would pull her especially if you can get A1, and Nem should be in standard soon. But have other volt optins like crow / Samir

    • @robmiller9387
      @robmiller9387 Рік тому

      Thanks for the advice. I had 80 pulls and figured i'd get to 120 before end of banner. And I pull ANOTHER Meryl. The worst luck!! So 3 out of 4 of my SSRs so far have been her. I almost dont want to use her out of spite 😆

    • @henri2421
      @henri2421 Рік тому +2

      ​@Rob Miller she is pretty good tho I won't call it bad luck plus ull get a ton of standard ssr as u progress I'm 8 days into the game and lost count how many I got

    • @spirit.canada
      @spirit.canada Рік тому +1

      I am a player day one, Huma and Meryl where my first and only SSR. Not long after I pulled for Nemesis which made me a very strong tank since I could also heal myself and others. Huma and Meryl are also the best standard SSR for breaking shields but lacking DPS. After this current run, Nemesis will be added to the standard banner so if you decide to pull for her now DO NOT WASTE your red wishes trying to get A1 - instead, buy her A1 from the shop with your black gold which you get as you pull for normal characters. Please note that in this game you must pick an element and stick to it! Nemesis is volt, so once you pull her your next characters should be Lin and Fenrir. Lin is good for frost and volt teams, not so much for physical or flame. Save your SSR weapon boxes, Nemesis may be added to the boxes too, and if so, she is amazing at A3.

    • @Nekodeni
      @Nekodeni Рік тому

      @@robmiller9387 meryl is great lmfao

  • @darius8068
    @darius8068 Рік тому

    I have a question for you, is it a bad thing if I prioritize matrices more than characters as F2p?
    Because at the moment, I don't feel the need to pulling for them. Fiona is probably the one, who made some motivation, but my heart is more drawn to a 4pc saki matrix and 4pc alyss matrix.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Depends on what you have. Matrixes are a lot of power and hard to get in the game. So having a full team with their limited matrixes could be better than having multiple A1 teams with no matrixes. For Fiona most like going to want both. But at least Fiona

  • @SirMitsuruji5
    @SirMitsuruji5 Рік тому +1

    Is she worth at c0 ? I barely play this game anymore and I have around 110 red wishes. Just wondering if it is worth login to try and get her

    • @scyph247
      @scyph247 Рік тому +1

      A1 minimum, shes really good for f2p too

    • @SirMitsuruji5
      @SirMitsuruji5 Рік тому

      @Scyph oh well, I'll try anyway. Don't see me playing much more anyway.
      Thanks.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Yes I would say want to get A1 at least but with some luck you could a1 with 110 pulls

    • @SirMitsuruji5
      @SirMitsuruji5 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer Yes i did :D thanks

  • @vanshitabansal1041
    @vanshitabansal1041 Рік тому

    I am a very new player and got her but don't have any 5* matrices and have only crow ,king , icewind arrow character and all 4* weapons can u suggest anything for that??

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      I would go crow, Fenrir and could use Tsubasa (icewind) that would be a good team. Until you get more options. Could save gold nucleus and when nemesis gets in standard could try to pull her or Claudia

    • @vanshitabansal1041
      @vanshitabansal1041 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer thank u very much

  • @NeptuneMerrill
    @NeptuneMerrill Рік тому

    Shesh, that is a big gap.
    Running A6 Lin, Saki and Alyss with their max matricies respectively and 4k Alyss trait. Only with 25k Frost cause rng hates me. But Im only dashing out 105m in the same time frame.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Yes Fenrir definitely pushes the bar. Rng not my friend either in most elements all of the 26k except somehow my volt got to 29k

  • @google1chrome702
    @google1chrome702 Рік тому +1

    And here the balance they were takl about. Soooooo balance.....

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Yes Fenrir definitely increased the Balance

  • @warzoner6851
    @warzoner6851 Рік тому

    Hotta, how is it called a "TEST" server when we can only test maxed stats?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Sadly some of them are limited. Hope more features in the future.

    • @warzoner6851
      @warzoner6851 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer how much pulls do you think we can get before the banner ends?

  • @chowderme1160
    @chowderme1160 Рік тому

    Alyss traits better than Tian's?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Tian Trait would be better. With those extra doges for pure volt.

  • @GeneralChrisGaming
    @GeneralChrisGaming Рік тому

    I'm idk how to describe it but I'm weirded out that u used a 4 piece nemesis for the F2P/ low spenders as if it wasnt and still currently a limited matrices. Maybe for future proofing after possible months of playing F2P can maybe get a 4 piece if they get lucky but honestly even than 4 piece nemesis isnt going to be all that F2P/Low spending friendly. Also isnt 2.4 going to add new better matrices so future proofing is eh generous tbh.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      It can depend on the rng of the player. They could pull a 4pc Nemesis but Shiro more likely. And the new Matrixes should be added in 2.4 but from what I hear you can get a 0 star with cleared gachapons. After that you need to get lucky with boss drops.

  • @kayanono
    @kayanono Рік тому

    I dont have lin i see her everywhere ;(((

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      She is a bit outdated now, Fiona better and next altered will be better than fiona

  • @dankazama09
    @dankazama09 Рік тому

    Can tian hit fenrirs clone skill?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      He can

    • @dankazama09
      @dankazama09 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer test it on cactus doesn't do dmg on Fenrir skills. only the enemy.,

  • @anowo4164
    @anowo4164 Рік тому

    Erm... It's literally impossible to find an "average" f2p player with a complete matrice set of atleast 2 non standard weapon matrices, even more so for the 3 non standard maxed weapons so i can't really see the f2p part that much except for the crit and dmg stat part the rest are just whale territory
    (Edit: oh you cant lower the stars for matrices and weapons? But still getting a full set non standard matrices is gonna be hard for average f2p)

    • @anowo4164
      @anowo4164 Рік тому

      Im only a 4month old player and my only non standard weapons after saving up for fenrir is only A3 fenrir, A0 nem, and A0 lin, but im using my best weapon set which is A3 fenrir(shiro 4pc with 1star), A6 samir(samir 4pc with 2 star), and A5 tsubasa(with king 2pc 1 star) with a 12k crit and 20,147 atk dmg, so i can't really see the f2p with 3 max weapons and complete non standard matrices, even for a day one f2p player...

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Yes seeing if we can get more matrixes added to the test server so we can test 0 star in the future

  • @noxdan3527
    @noxdan3527 Рік тому

    F

  • @Lucky_Chad
    @Lucky_Chad Рік тому +1

    this video made me happily quit the game because im maxed EVERYTHING and cant even break 1m before this man hits 80 FUCKING MILLION fastest way to know this game a waste of time an money

  • @HanniPham_NewJeans
    @HanniPham_NewJeans Рік тому +2

    She's strong but i dont like her playstyle. She reminds me of Cyno in G Game.
    Lots of button mashing

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Can be that way with Rainbow. Don't mind Fen Lin comp though

  • @TheBTSMACLVOR
    @TheBTSMACLVOR Рік тому +3

    Would you recommend 4pc Tian or 2pc Fen/Tian for background matrices in a rainbow comp?
    Edit: also my Fenrir is A6

    • @sicawhoremanchester6821
      @sicawhoremanchester6821 Рік тому +1

      2pc Fenrir I'd CRT damage, that does jackshit compared to flat volt DMG buff. 4pc tian is better than 2pc fen on a volt comp.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      I would say 4 pc Tian. 2 pc fen is just not that good unless maybe approaching 100% crit. Still a bit underwhelming

  • @manuelg6391
    @manuelg6391 Рік тому +1

    Umi is such disappointment. She should be on pair with Fenrir but noooo the Volt girl is way stronger Wtf

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      I agree, The Umi nerfs were a little to much

  • @HSRFirefly
    @HSRFirefly Рік тому +2

    Just gonna add but on pure volt team, can also use tian trait for the increase in dodge attacks and since u will be spamming volt skills, u will have the 18% dmg increase almost always up

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      That is true. That is a good option as well

  • @renzartworks4968
    @renzartworks4968 Рік тому +1

    can icarus matrice work with rainbow fenrir saki lin?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      The 4 pc works, But the 2 pcs only works if icarus is in the party

  • @ultimatefailz1890
    @ultimatefailz1890 Рік тому +1

    personally i know it would have been significantly more work but having the numbers for 0* support weapon matrices would be nice, since I personally will be running with 0* matrices

  • @tankdjsims
    @tankdjsims Рік тому +1

    Using the LS comp, just need to get my matrices in order, do you think Fenrir with 2pc samir 2pc crow is worse? Should I swap fenrir to a 2pc samir 2 pc shrio?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Depends on your crit if it is less than 75% go shiro. If it is more go crow

  • @0xNobody
    @0xNobody Рік тому

    since they're giving a free claudia or nemesis I've been thinking I can do a5 claudia too. What's better. Lin a6, fenrir a6, claudia a6 or lin - fenrir - nemesis all a6?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      I would say Claudia since you get balanced res with fenrir trait should be stronger

  • @xsveron1287
    @xsveron1287 Рік тому +1

    noice

  • @0xNobody
    @0xNobody Рік тому

    fenrir a6, lin a6, nem a1
    Matrixes:
    Lin 4p - 2r1 - 2r0
    Samir 2p - r3 / Crow 2p - r2
    Fenrir 4p - 2r2 - 2r1
    I do 60mil dmg at 1:30 curious how big of a difference a a6 nemesis will be next month. Take in mind crow matrixes dont activate on dummy.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Should be a big jump due to Nem giving a big atk boost as well with her A5 & A6

    • @0xNobody
      @0xNobody Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer unless its a whale I haven't seen someone pass me on dmg now yet

  • @WolfyRedz
    @WolfyRedz Рік тому +3

    Fenrir God Tier !

  • @pansy4538
    @pansy4538 Рік тому

    Advancement all that matter stats kinda useless i have 23k frost attack but most weapon low star highest star 4 saki the rest A1. comparing the damage with someone with less 5k frost attack same weapon but all 6 star weapon im getting out dps hard so i stop carrying for stats that much lmao

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Yes most character certain Advancements bring the most damage. Thats why good to focus on 1 or 2 comps so you can get more advancements.

  • @bigfam6334
    @bigfam6334 Рік тому

    im running a1 fenrir,claudia and lin with only the standard matrices. Im wondering if 2pc fenrir at 0* is worth getting and slap it on to my claudia or do i save it for future matrices that could possibly be better?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      I would save for future 2 pc fenrir is not that strong

  • @mrferrari5568
    @mrferrari5568 Рік тому

    Is volt top element dps?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Not right now but Mimi comes out next patch which should put it on top

  • @silkwind7618
    @silkwind7618 Рік тому

    Now I understand why they buffed some of the old SSRs in CN. The new characters are just way too OP to the point the old ones are almost useless. Fenrir, Umi, Saki and eventually Icarus can heal/self sustain despite the massive damage they can bring.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Yes limited banner character start out scaling the regular standards

  • @2011-s7k
    @2011-s7k Рік тому

    i like how he claims average ssr banners BUT WITH WHALE MATRICES.... 3 STARS

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Going to try to see if we can get more matrixes. So we can do 0 star

  • @leglodin222
    @leglodin222 Рік тому

    I managed to get her A4, she is a great DPS improvement for my team (with Lin A3 and Samir A6). But now I'm not sure what should be my next move to replace Samir.
    I have 170 red nucs left, and I don't know if I should pull for Tian A1 or Nemesis A0. My preference would be Tian, but i understand that the Fenrir/Lin/Tian comp really benefits from Tian A3 because then he doesn't have to be on field as much as his A1 version to buff Fenrir.
    But since I will not be able to pull him A3, i don't know if Nemesis A6 (assuming she finally joins standard banner someday) would be stronger for me than Tian A1 in terms of DPS.
    So, if anyone could help me with this that'd be really nice.
    Note : I'm aware i made a mistake by pulling her A4 and that Fenrir A1 + Tian A3 is way stronger than Fenrir A3 + Tian A1. In my defense, I was aiming for A3 and ended up 30 pulls away from a last 50/50 pull, so I did go for it (and won).

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      I would go A1 Tian then save for fiona. Wont really have a heal problem with her and fenrir

  • @vonidolog2696
    @vonidolog2696 Рік тому

    is 0star tian matrices worth? i have 4pc lin matrix in lin , 4pc 3*shiro matrices on tian and fenrir on 2 samir and crow matrices. i plan to change that shiro matrices

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      It can be. Lin 4 pc is still a nice dmg increase. Just miss out on the extra atk and crit compared to 3 star. Due to that 3 star may be better. But if it is a 1 or 2. O lin is probably better

  • @lionelsioco123
    @lionelsioco123 Рік тому

    while me using the saki, fenrir and lin, with matrices using need to divide my samir, crow, shiro matrices (2pcs each), usual dont have any limited, kinda weird this has no vid on f2p since i think most frost users has her, and saying nemesis and claudia as f2p comps even if they are not yet there (soon to be i think in 2.5, but that's me)....
    edit: also im still a f2p frost main and pulled her even if i know i should be pulling icarus, sucks i know, but since i kinda being tempted on fenrir's hard hitting dps (yes, i have an Alyss A1 too lols XD) 😅😅

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Yes at the time I assumed Claudia and nem are going standard in 2.4 but sadly 2.5 now. Could use 4 pc shiro on lin, crow samir on fenir. Ad same for saki but in 2.4 we get new background matrixes from gachapons so could use those on her

    • @lionelsioco123
      @lionelsioco123 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer nice, its almost same as im using that certain matrice config right now 😁, yeah ill wait in 2.4 on the scylla boss matrice and the other one 😉

  • @amirirfan462
    @amirirfan462 Рік тому

    I have lin and nemesis A6 i can choose only one tiang or fenrir to A6..which u prefer in term of damage?

  • @MoRaXSCV
    @MoRaXSCV Рік тому

    im on oasis so i hope il get her 1 star from 120 pulls only because i dont wanna spend too much on her ngl

  • @IdleTech
    @IdleTech Рік тому

    Is Lin still relevant when Fiona comes? Wanted to know who shall I save for after I got Fenrir.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      I would go Fiona, Lin got droped in every team in CN, Even with global nerfs I expect the same in global

  • @jericdavid6828
    @jericdavid6828 Рік тому

    my guy im finna transfer to solaris soon time hopefully w my crew STELLAR

  • @badger0985
    @badger0985 Рік тому

    So 2pc Crow 2pc Samir how does it compare to Having 2pc Lyra 2 Pc Samir for Fenrir? Also might just save up going for Tian Lang's matrices since it seems like Fenrir matrices are just average.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Crow is better than Lyra if you have over 85% crit rate. Plus easier to get. If less than 70% and no Lyra could go Shiro. Tian Matrixes are really good for fenrir. Give extra Aoe and big damage boost against single targets.

    • @badger0985
      @badger0985 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer thank you for answering! I was thinking of doing 4 piece Tian for saki and just have 2pc Crow/Samir for Fenrir.

  • @B45el
    @B45el Рік тому

    i only got a0 fenrir so is it good with lin a3 and nemesis a0 with alyss trait
    or should i use fenrir with lin a3 and saki a1 with fenrir trait or is not good at a0 please answer me

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      I would try to get it at A1, If not I would go the Nem route with Lin. Could use Alyss or Fen trait for that team

  • @andhym.7584
    @andhym.7584 Рік тому

    which do you think is good lin, neme, fenrir or claudia, fenrir, lin?

  • @xVongolaXth
    @xVongolaXth Рік тому

    Fenrir still not giving volt a way to „better“ survive in VA tho right? With Tian comp.

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Depends on your team. Much betterr than before and can shatter. So with good healer & tech it can work

  • @smokiLLL
    @smokiLLL Рік тому

    Tx bud. I actually use friggx5 sakix1 alyssx1 which is my best dps team. Also I have lin 3x. Will fenrirx1 will increase my dps? Or should I just save for fiona?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      If you are tying to go balanced. Fen is a good pick up. If not I would save and go all for Fiona. Basically a must for all comps in the future.

    • @smokiLLL
      @smokiLLL Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer ok that's what I thought tx man

  • @tonyt5711
    @tonyt5711 Рік тому

    so what matrices should i use on saki in the rainbow team if i have dps matrices on fenrir and lin matrices on lin? I dont have any other limited matrices except alyss 4 piece

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      I would put lin Matrixes on Saki and put Shiro matrixes on Lin

    • @tonyt5711
      @tonyt5711 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer ahh i see, but would it not be better to use 2 piece alyss on saki?

  • @N0ZU.
    @N0ZU. Рік тому

    So, for fen matrix, it's around 9mil more dmg/easier rotations vs. more lifesteal from lyra set/samir. Interesting

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Yes that is about right. Where Crow could close the gap more depending on crit rate

  • @Cloud-df3hy
    @Cloud-df3hy Рік тому

    no rainbow discharges??

  • @Sinwah93
    @Sinwah93 Рік тому

    i have Fenrir a3 and she does better dps damage then both my a6 samir/crow let alone i will a6 her rerun by then too bad no a6 fenrir am too darn broke lol

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Still really good biggest advancement are A1, A3 which will really carry you until the rerun

    • @Sinwah93
      @Sinwah93 Рік тому

      yup which is why i am now saving for Fenrir rerun not gonna pull anyone else or maybe in 2.6 since there already cn leaks of next Volt unit Ruby mom lol

  • @winkythepooh
    @winkythepooh Рік тому

    does A3 LIn/ A1 Saki/ A1 Fenrir also has no downtime in rotation?

  • @med_os75
    @med_os75 Рік тому

    Any 0* advancement team plz 🙏

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      That one is rough. Especially since 1 star gives the claw attack. Probably Rainbow with Saki so you can span skills.

  • @sizlyakuznetsov7558
    @sizlyakuznetsov7558 Рік тому

    Why crow matrix better than lyra at more than 85% crit rate?

    • @XIIIunkn0wnXIII
      @XIIIunkn0wnXIII Рік тому

      u have 50% crt dmg if emeny drop 60% hp u have 3s crw matrx will go 42% crt dmg = 50+42 = 92% crt dmg shiro will drop eventually evry enmy will drop at 60% HP so crow mtrx is very powerfull in long battle if u have A6 fenrir 18% crt rate plus ung crt rate if ur lucky u can get 85%+ crt rate thats y crow matrx is very powerfull in long battle

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      It is as XIIIunkn0wnXIII says the extra crit dmg from crow if you above 85% crit rate is better in longer fights.

  • @rafaelvega59
    @rafaelvega59 Рік тому

    Fenrir is amazing! My volt surpassed my frost and I have more attack and limited matrices on frost 👀

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      Yes she is really strong

    • @discordiagd4202
      @discordiagd4202 Рік тому

      Alyss is crying in a cage hahahahahaha Congrats for getting fenrir!!

  • @Kaileris
    @Kaileris Рік тому

    It's time to tower of rainbow!

  • @gurupatikus
    @gurupatikus Рік тому

    "Now we are going to break down f2p comps,Nemesis A6 and Claudia A6 with Matrixes A3"
    And me with Nemesis A2, no Claudia and Matrixes 😢

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому +1

      Sadly can't lower star levels. But going to try to use 0 star matrixes in the future to compensate

  • @Sumi0433
    @Sumi0433 Рік тому

    I'm still waiting for the shitsical team to get 60% power of the remaining 3 comps

  • @sicawhoremanchester6821
    @sicawhoremanchester6821 Рік тому

    That's way too much. I'm using Fenrir today with similar rotations with nearly 27k volt and all matrices aside from lyra are the same, yet I'm burning only 130mil on the cactus? Is there something I'm missing with the test servers? Is 2 pc lyra out scaling me THAT bad?

    • @RedefineGamer
      @RedefineGamer  Рік тому

      2pc Lyra is really good when pair with tian matrixes.

    • @sicawhoremanchester6821
      @sicawhoremanchester6821 Рік тому

      @@RedefineGamer yeah i missed the fact that u had switched to a better build right at the end of testing, and bettered my rotation to scale alot higher than b4, thank you for the reply though ^^