"Why do you want to kill kids with eagles? A gun is far more effective" "Eagles are cooler" "Understandable" An yes, such fine and civilized arguments.
@@guifire9747 and get both the animal and the firearm or better yet, train the animal to use the firearm so that it can attack the child from afar before swooping in to finish them off
Funnily enough, his acceptance of using "cool and unusual" practices instead of established and efficient ones go against Harry's philosophy that the world must become efficient first before it is allowed to be happy.
"Why do you want to kill children with eagles?" "Because it's cooler." *several minutes later* "Why do you want to raise children in concentration camps?" "Because it's optimal." I love these guys.
Its the same thing with nuclear power plants, everyone keeps on associating it with past events, but never critically think what it'd actually do. Most people are, very sadly, dumb. And I'm the kind of person who believed everyone had "amazing potential"... Now watch French Baguette, I'm learning it just isn't true. 😓
That's true. A concentration camp is a camp with a concentration in it. When people think of concentration camps, they think of concentration camps + slaughter + torture + nazis etc ...
hey its true, my mother offered me a sip of beer when i was 4 and i was so disgusted by it that im almost 31 and still havent had alcohol since, the emotional trauma of beer tasting very bitter was all it took!
Once when I was sitting in a park with my friend a little girl who passed by asked us if we hade girlfriends. When my friend replied "no" the girl responded with "I understand why". Don't be fooled, little girls can be truly savage.
Dude when I was a kid I wanted to play with a group of girls and they said that only 4 people could play. There were 5 of them. They proceeded to shoo me away and play their 5 people 4 people game.
A friend of mine once went to a weeding alone, one of the kids there asked where was his wife so he explained that he was gay and the kid asked where was his husband That destroyed him for a week
@@microwave8931 Dude i had a similar situation but instead the girls told me that if i wanted to play i had to kiss every single boy at my school. I did it,im not even mad that i did that,im mad that they still didn't get me to play.
"Hogwarts without the magic" is a line that a professional team would only come up with after years of brainstorming, it gets more and more ominous the more you think about it.
The main problem with Harry's system is the lack of killer eagles, the eagles will be a sign of respect and awe for the youth but a sign of fear for the abusers of power
“There is no need to hit your kids to teach them a lesson. Especially when there is a much better way to educate them: Emotional trauma.” “You have Bowl’s attention.” Best line of the video.
That system would crumble in the face of change tho You could only have one schedule for the creature's lifespan as I doubt it could be taught to discern between different schedules
Nah, just train the eagles to attack anyone who acts off-script and drag their unconscious body to the nearest security. If the dude dies that's that, if he lives then interrogation
@@alexanderthegreat6682 Well they don't always see eye to eye, *darth vader vs mr. Incredible cough*, bowl is more like the villian who does villainy for fun. Harry does villainy because he doesn't even consider it villainy, he considers it rationality.
"If you won't listen to reason, you will answer to force" unironically is a quote that belongs in the history books, gotta hand it to the frenchie, everything he does is just that bit philosophical
Just here halfway through the video to say this. Bowl actually referencing Ace Attorney series in a an argument is the weirdest thing I heard anyone say in these videos only because I can't recall any of them referring to Ace Attorney despite all the videos formatted through Ace Attorney sprites.
This and some segments of the metaverse video make me think there might actually be some meta-lore shit going on lol,maybe a fully scripted video some day?
"Happiness is a toxic delusion and it should be *banned*. The world NEEDS misery to keep growing and that is why we should raise our children in concentration camps." Harry is consistently out-of-pocket with the things he says but this one might just be the most deranged, comic book villain thing I've ever seen anyone come out with. I'm honestly impressed with how consistently he can make me just pause the video and stare at it in pure bafflement.
We dont need individuality if all those are going to be negative. A good stream of mediocre slaves would be far more useful than a bunch psychopathic serial what evers having different mos.
@@ynrikotowers4374 I would rather have that, then all the possibility of change because someone thinks outside of the norm being turned into yet another obedient slave for the masses.
I remember when I was in middle school and I read the reviews for The Escapists after finishing Jacksepticeye's series on the first game. Half of them said it was middle school simulator. Hit hard.
"We need to separate the children form their parents." Yeah, that's what the American school system has been doing for a while, look how that's turned out.
I love how an innocent conversation about Eagles turned into an argument on whether or not we should send kids into concentration camps and how viable it would be.
Bowl is a real chad, instead of getting concerned that FC may stunt his children’s development with alcohol. He gets mad that FC would try to teach them that it is poison.
We definitely should raise children using a system that bases itself on Bowl's dogmatic principles and philosophical needs, so every adult gets to be as based as him.
I don't know why I think every time Harry can't get worse, he somehow does. If this man wanted, he could argue Gringo, FC, Bowl, Goblin and Em altogether, and he would somehow make it both amusing and thought provoking yet never serious enough for you to consider the idea
"Yes. Give me an excuse to hit you." "I'm not a parent." "Give me 10 minutes." Extremely bold of her. Not the proposal, just the fact she thinks FC would last 10 minutes.
Every time someone mentions the F.B.I. in relation to pdphile rings, I'm compelled to mention that the F.B.I. actually ran a pd ring site for two weeks and out of over 150K known users (assumed to be all pd's, because who else would use the site?), the investigation resulted in a paltry-in-comparison charge of 137 individuals (less than ONE PERCENT of the userbase, literally 0.0913 percent), but in the F.B.I.'s own words, "at least 350 U.S.-based individuals arrested", "25 producers of child pornography prosecuted", "51 hands-on abusers prosecuted", and "548 international arrests", with "55 American children successfully identified or rescued" and "296 sexually abused children identified or rescued", but no word on if the individuals prosecuted were _actually convicted of the crime,_ and totally ignoring that THE F.B.I. RAN THE SITE and disseminated hundreds if not thousands of pictures and revictimized a bunch of those kids. On a site with over 150K users. And the case United States v. Jay Michaud was thrown out by the judge because the Bureau used malware/a TOR-breaking tool to gather the info in the first place, the source code for which they refused to release when ordered by the judge, making the gathering of evidence itself and the tool used for it unlawful but also _something they prioritized over the safety of children._ They fucked up, and I keep remembering that whenever someone mentions the F.B.I. They don't give a _that much_ of a damn about kids. Oh, and this isn't even talking about the judges that give lenient sentences to pd's because they're rich and "wouldn't fare well in prison".
Regarding your last point It's kinda crazy to think that prisoners will give harsher punishments to pd's than the legal system I think that a solution to the pd problem on the concentration camp system is to diagnose the disorder at a young age and normalize treatment, I mean why would I keep being schizophrenic if the pharmacy next door just needs a small paper signed by a professional doctor in order to give me the medicine I need? Why would I keep being a pd if the risk for my life and the lives of others is incredibly high and I can just get rehabilitation by a competent medical professional? Then obviously don't allow them near the schools just in case and employ them on jobs that require low human intelligence, as a side bonus if you kill the pd's then you have already tried everything and it's not like they are just going to stop because they were punished considering that all other methods failed
@@maxthexpfarmer3957 it's not changing their sexual orientation, if they like girls, guys or both they are still gonna like them, they are just going to be adults instead I'm pretty sure it's not just therapy, it takes a lot of psychological care and some other stuff, a lot of people claim to have undergone treatment and that it helped substantially, I still gotta do more research on it but if you can help deal with that you're saving a lot of people
Harry's idea got me thinking: Plato thought the same thing about separating children from their parents so that they could be grown by specialized educators (which would be philosophers essentially) so that they could be able to distinguish what each child could become (either a worker, soldier or philosopher). Harry is more deep than we all thought after all.
He's deep, alright, but I could come up with deeper stuff in the shower when I was 9. He keeps adding more stuff to his evil empire everytime someone proves that it wouldn't work... Or maybe he's secretly powerful enough to actually do it and he's always arguing with them because they can see the flaws in his plans and he'll use their help to make himself flawlessly invincible.
Harry is a brilliant man, he sacrificies ethics for efficiency. The only time I couldn't agree with him is on Incredible vs Vader. Only he can turn "little girls are evil" to "we should send children to good concentration camps". I wish him good health and increase in efficiency.
But Mr. Incredible would win a fight against Vader. The simplest reason being the fact that Mr. Incredible is a superhero from a kids show, granting him a near-invicible plot armour
I wouldn't call him brilliant if he mistakes classical conditioning with operant conditioning. Pavlov's classical conditioning is about combining stimuli together to transfer the reaction of one to the other, like association. "punishing bad" and "rewarding good" to de- or increase behavior is Skinner and Thorndike's operant conditioning, however. Mixing up the two is like mixing up left and right. No offense but there's always tons of logical holes Harry jumps over, even while being "pragmatism only" to the point that I don't even acknowledge his points anymore.
parenting is probably the biggest and most common challange your average person can end up facing and yet it surprises me how so many people can screw it up lol.
I’d say yes. What if the children get attacked by wild rats? You need an Eagle to take care of that. Plus, if the child misbehaves while the parents are away, it can serve its purpose: and attack/punish your child.
funny that you mention rats. Two fictional kids who are famous in ny country, zipi and zape, were regularly punished by his father by locking them in a room full of mice and rats. In most iterations, eventually they trained the rats to perform tricks and had pretty much a good time whenever they were punished
“Concentration Camps have an unfairly negative reputation” - A perfectly sane, logical, and empathetic individual. God Harry is such a joy whenever he’s on screen.
FC: "I'm not a parent" Cleo: "give me 10 minutes" these are exactly the kind of multi-layer jokes that i come to this channel for, and congratulations on becoming a father FC (don't worry, i'm sure you lasted a good 11.5 minutes)
One cool thing would be to train birds to watch over children and protect them from potential threats, imagine how crazy it'd be to have a eagle watching over you, that's like your guardian
This is the best sort of debate this channel has to offer : Start with an amusing yet dark, politically incorrect subject or propostion, then slowly delve into deeper and more serious topics by imagining the most extreme/contrasting systems to what we actually have (often this role is carried by either Bowl or Harry). Then start punching holes in it over and over again until you can actally get a decent picture of it and decide for yourself if the idea is worth pursuing. I wish I had more friends with who I could have these sort of discussions (I do, but not many) because unfortunately most people either can't possibly consider thoughts/systems that try to completely re-think certain things (such as democracy, human nature, right and wrong) or they are incapable of following this level of conversation. I hate to say it, but it seems Harry is in part right about the glorification of mediocrity these days... In any case this, along with the "Should science be ethical" debate, are probably the best ones on this channel for they are both amusing, entertaining, serious, thought-provoking and articulate. And being French myself I'm proud to have FC as a representative in this court! Thanks for the amazing content, and please I beg of you to release an uncensored version of the "Should science be ethical" debate, I can't stop thinking about what Harry had to say! If not on YT then somewhere else, in the name of freedom of thought! ☝
I only found this channel today, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's a really nice change of pace to see different people talking these things out amongst each other as opposed to doing various thought experiments and having multifaceted inner dialogues on these kinds topics due to a lack of company with which to discuss them in depth.
Don't forget the strange meta-discussion of Ace Attorney canon. It all adds up, because Bowl/Edgeworth strikes me as someone who puts on a bigoted persona, but is actually a half reasonable person; while Harry is actually evil incarnate.
This is what I like about Harry, his ideas might be outrageous but they are not completely wrong thus giving space to interesting discutions like this which wouldn't normally happen. This is even more entertaining because Harry, unlike the majority of people with this kind of ideas, actually knows how to argue and so knows FC allowing to this back and forth of arguments, with the casual bullying of the frenchies from Bowl (parce que putain imagine être français) , which is appreciated and almost makes me like him but unfortunately to my displeasure he is British (we can't have everything).
This makes me think of we treated crazy people in the middle ages, we would actually hear and listen to them and try to understand what they are saying. Harry's ideas are completely outlandish but like a crazy person, there is still some truth hidden inside, waiting to be discovered. (I am absolutely not saying that Harry is crazy, just that his ideas are.)
Seraphina argued for state sponsored parentship Harry argued for government raised children Both will lead to governments brainwashing children in any case
Someone has to have thought of this before, but Harry's thoughts are literally directly transferable to written villainy. Like, you could just steal Harry's arguments and use them in a book. They just keep coming, too. Like really, "happiness is unnecessary and dangerous", with actual points and reasoning? It's just too perfect.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 For real, I could just steal the arguments of the Science and Ethics video and write a whole novel about due to how thought-provoking the arguments are.
That whole thing Harry said about Michael Caine reminds me of how children a few decades ago relied on Mr. Rogers as a father figure in the absense of their own. I think I had even read one such comment some time back of how he helped the person commenting growing up simply through his show. It might not be a bad idea to have such programming be widely available to children, with similar ideas and values that Mr. Rogers had.
Ever hear the wierd story that Long before he did that show; the Man who Played Mr. Rogers was a badass marine that served in Vietnam and the reason he always wore long sleeves was he had tattoos up and down his arms?
@@cnlbenmc I think I had heard something about him being a war vet, but not the part about him having tattoos. Even so, that's such an interesting detail about him: going to war, while remaining humbled through such experiences, because such events can seriously impact a person.
'And who are the qualified people to teach our kids would be?' .... ..... .... ' *Michael Caine* ' I almost threw up of how much I laughed at that, fucking Harry being a genius as always
"That puts you on par with a californian single mother. Your best weapon is to beg for mercy, and you deserve none" FC was given a gift by God, there is no other way to describe his skill in insults
*Who would win?* A fullgrown Frenchman with unlimited debating stamina who's also an Ace Attorney charavter OR A little girl that wanted to sit on the bench said Frenchman wad occupying
Unironically might be the best one you've done yet! Harry just dropping the "honestly concentration camps get a bad rap" legitimately floored me even though it's totally in line with how he rolls lmao
50 minutes. 50 MINUTES of thought-provoking, well written and constructed argumentation, along with top of the line jokes. This channel never ceases to amaze me.
@@AziDoesQuestionableThings Honestly, I'm trying really hard to find a channel with objectively better content but I'm having a really hard time. I think this might be my favorite as well!
One obvious this to mention: this system also implies that every single person funding and pushing this program has the best intentions, because it isn't based around money or any progress for the people behind it. It's based entirely on looking out for the people who will benefit off of it while all you get in exchange is, essentially, clout. If this system were government funded, this would absolutely not be the case, unless there are specific conditions that won't come to fruition in our lifetime. I think this is more of a cultural change really, we need to start having more conviction over most things and that is something that can be taught, so I somewhat agree with FC's proposal of a change to the education system. But only somewhat, because that's its own can of worms. Good video.
@@DrgnZip How much time does it take for a new generation to replace the oldies ? You'd be dead by the time you can reap the benefits. You're only making the world a better place for future generations, unless experimenting on Twitter MAPs made people immortal.
@@DrgnZip Ah, but a society of fucking idiots will never question the status quo, as long as bread is on the shelves and beer in the pubs. Perfect for someone wishing to maintain power, perhaps, a government micromanaging the raising of children?
After watching the entire thing... Harry is truly a being far above us other pitiful mortals. I may not agree with him on everything, but he actually made a strong case for his arguments. Still I am glad he is very far away from me. Probably the best debate so far. Good work, Frenchie.
About argumentative children, you could say I was one of them but unlike FC my argumentative spirit got drained and beaten into pulp by the realisation that arguing most of the time is ineffective, I argued with a lot of people in my youth and seen a lot of discussions and the thing is that arguing not only can lead to nowhere but a lot of time can make the person you are arguing with even more stubborn because they don't want to lose. In time I stopped arguing with my parents and pretty much a most people I thought were just to stubborn or stupid and that resulted in me stopping arguing with a lot of people because my line of thought was "I'm right and no matter what this person will never understand it"(I basically became the same thing I hated), this was one of the worst things ever happened to me. Arguing with someone is one of the most productive things you can do because it can give you new perspectives on things, point out flaws in your logic, make you learn more things, make you more humble and open minded and make you better at speaking. I, unfortunately, lost my fire and nowdays most of the time when someone says something I don't agree with I just ignore them because I think that a discussion with that person will be just a waste of our time and I'm wrong, neglecting so much discussion not only made me worse at arguing but it also made me more arrogant about my beliefs. That said it's also bad to argue about every little thing, unfortunately I'm to lazy to keep writing this comment, sorry for the bad grammar btw
An interesting approach to arguing is to not argue. You're 100% right that people tend to double down and get more stubborn when you argue with them. So instead of arguing, you take what they say at face value, repeat it back, and when you don't understand how they got from point A to point B or something is seemingly contradictory ask them to explain. What happens is either they're right, and you figure out they're right without looking like a stubborn idiot yourself, or they're wrong and having to examine their own train of thought they start to notice they're wrong and are more open to being corrected. This doesn't work in all contexts, because sometimes the other person knows what they're saying isn't logically consistent and they're arguing disingenuously. You'll see this in politics, particularly when a really extreme movement is happening, but most people don't engage with politics in their day to day.
Dont worry, man. You can definetly "light" that fire again. Just scroll throught the internet, get in touch with different views, then learn some argumentative skills, then starts playing discussion games with friends. After some weeks, you will get things right again.
21:00 I'm currently writing a story and I can tell it's simply because healthy relationships between a character and his parents are so hard to write it should be illegal.
I am only an 8th of the way through and you're already spitting facts about parents I've been saying for years. Unironically, bravo, sir. You have proven frogs are as wise as they say.
Goddamn i haven't laughed like this in weeks, Bowl continues being based, Harry continues being right in the worst way possible, and FC continues being short. Great video
6:26-6:55 I have never heard somebody describe exactly what I wish most adults understood. I am in fact, an OBNOXIOUSLY argumentative child who has cognitive inflexibility, and my Christian parents lost their minds when saying “because I said so” wasn’t enough for me to submit to their ‘authority’. Before telling someone to do something you must first understand why you are telling them.
This is why I'm so glad I had the parents I did. My favorite word growing up was 'why', and I've always, and still do, consider "Because" to be a not-answer. It's the answer you give when you don't have an answer or you don't want to answer. My parents figured out pretty quickly that 'because' wasn't good enough for me, and so when I asked I always got a reason, even if that reason was just 'that's how the world works'. Of course sometimes my parents (re; my dad) would straight up lie to me too, but it was still a better answer than 'because'. I have lots of thoughts on why 'because' is a terrible answer, especially for kids, but regardless I'm very glad my parents recognized that wasn't good enough for me and adapted
“Because”,”because I said so”, and “don’t talk back” are either a lazy means of avoiding an answer because you don’t want to put in the time, or they’re the defense of a person who expects you to accept those answers like they did.
Why, this has probably been one of the most interesting arguments yet. I’ll be honest, I can see Harry’s idea working under the right circumstances, but as some other people have already mentioned, I believe that for the facility to be ran in an appropriate fashion, it would first require a reform of the education system and the ‘mediocre person’ as a whole. Although, that is itself a whole separate problem that could warrant discussion. Very interesting, this one.
"May I suggest that we also install auxiliary rockets on the boots of each child that are programmed to let them fly away?" *"That kind of technology is possible."* I love it. I love this.
5 year olds hitting you isn't even the worst, the worst is when they threaten you with throwing themselves to the ground and scream pedophile or something of the kind. Those are the real demons.
12:00 I always find it incredibly stupid that adoptive parents need to pass for so much drama to gain custody of a child while biological parents dont get nearly as much attention in that respect by that logic is much more probable that biological parents abuse their child than adoptives parents do, because they where checked to be mentally stable beforehand I think all parents should pass through psicollogical study to get a license to have a kid
If adoption was easy, pedophiles would pick up victims like groceries. Parental licensing is a terrible idea, who can you trust to write the criteria? Depending on who it is, religious people or atheists would be blocked from having children, or vegans would be the only ones who could have children, or the ones prohibited from having children. It would be the one of the most tyrannical forms of oppression against minorities, possibly resulting in actual generational genocide in extreme cases.
But... The test wouldn't be a subjective or good test. It would be a test made by the government and would effectively only allow people that the state like to have children. So a very good way to only allow state approved bloodlines and make an entire society made of useful idiots
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely on the "parents are necessary" side of this argument, but videos like these make me wish there was an experimental camp of children being raised by professionals, at at least to see how much of each side turns out to be true
You don’t need to make your kids drink alcohol on their fifth, seventh, and eleventh birthdays to associate alcohol with poison! I ate hand sanitizer in the fifth grade and all forms of alcohol and things that make you drunk have tasted like hand sanitizer since then!
Now, Oddly enough I find that for once Harry has proposed a good idea! I see incredible value in this system, and while it would need to be heavily discussed and tested an incredible amount, it would almost certainly provide a better world. Interestingly enough, I would think maybe a mixture of Seraphina's and Harry's ideas would provide the best outcome. Parents would need to complete a test to ensure they're able to raise their child properly, if not the child is moved to the camp. Parents who can't make children, or even single adults, could take the test to see about adopting a child from the camps, and if they pass, they fill out forms to find a child that best fits their personalities. This could reduce scale and costs, and ensure that the children being raised outside of the camps are being raised by people capable enough to do it correctly. Every 10 years or so they get a check in or something to ensure they're still doing it right. Orphanages exist, and we as a society seem to be okay with them, So as far as I'm concerned this should be just as acceptable.
The idea you proposed is probably actually better than real-life orphanages. Lots of orphanages are fronts for child-trafficking rings and since most orphanages run on donations, they have very poor living conditions and the children eat bad food, sleep in uncomfortable beds, don’t have clean restrooms, etc. but this system would be government funded and seeing as the amount of people who would fail the test would undoubtedly be very high, there would be a ton of children and it would be imperative for the government to ensure that the system is working optimally. Honestly though considering how little funding public schools get (especially in the US) it still will be far from perfect. Though no doubt better than the orphanages and perhaps even the schools we have IRL. As much as it pains me, someone who does not believe in the idea of religion and is terrified of nuns, orphanages that have the backing of a church are usually at least in when it comes to the facilities not when it comes to what the children actually experience, are actually better than independent orphanages since they have the financial backing of whatever church they’re run by, regular orphanages don’t have that unless they’re lucky enough to be near a the house of a good samaritan who is very very rich.
Regarding the "test", this is what I am the most confused about. If the goal of this test is to measure someone's capacity for raising a child, how many questions can we actually include, and how would we make sure that studying for the test is not as simple as just picking up on patterns and memorizing facts like with the SAT or History exams? There are only so many questions I can think of when it comes to parenting properly, and would it not be easy to just ask someone who has taken the test about the general format and study accordingly? This would be a confounding variable, no? Someone could just go in prepared based on what they expect the system WANTS as a correct answer, rather than measuring their capability honestly.
"suffering idiots is the price to pay for a brilliant mans chance to be heard" Honestly didnt expect this to come out of discussing whether to breed attack eagles. Harry also keeps making amazing points but some of the absolute worst conclusions. The tyranny of ones limitations is honestly the most solid part in this. But the rest of this is very in character for harry.
I feel like people often forget that Sidis died young, alone and depressed after accomplishing exactly nothing, precisely because his education made him unable to even think about living in society
Damn, the editing expands further and the exchanges get more interesting! I think I'm currently a bit too slow and uneducated to have debates like this, but thinking about many different aspects during/along ongoing debates, be it mine or others, is absolutely fantastic. Maybe I should embrace it a bit more
At first I was like, “Are you sure I shouldn’t take you seriously? You guys sound pretty smart.” then we got into the Children Camps and I was like, “Oh, yep, there it is.”
Damn, that almost hour of video passed by WAY quicker than I thought it would. I'll say one thing that can certainly be agreed upon out of all of this is the mediocrity of educational systems, ESPECIALLY the ones here in America. Also, I almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard at the end of the video. After all was said & done, Bowl & FC left. And then comes mention of some fucking moron, & *_IMMEDIATELY,_* the fatigue of that one hour argument was *_completely forgotten_* as they jump RIGHT back into it lmao
PLEASE tell me the next one is gonna be about Art being Objective or not. I NEED it! Also I fucking love your videos, they are the best educational method to raise children imo. No matter what they always make me ponder on subjects I haven't given proper consideration while still being hilarious. Amazing work, really
When they say that there is no exploration in a concentration camp, that also applies to our lives already. I myself have never been abroad, and have rarely been further into my country. Some, like myself, don't explore much anyway due to money constraints, so it is clearly not a required experience.
Another entertaining discussion as always. When FC talked about how the education system is mediocre which led to creating mediocre people, it made my wonder if there was a need to focus on the parenting aspect. If the education system created better people on average, wouldn't that also lead to future generations becoming better parents?
->They mention "Colonia Dignidad" Me, as a Chilean: Oooh shit, here it comes!! Many of the counterarguments agaisnt Harry's "Happy thoughts" can be easily found in Latin America and it's bloody history anyways
"Give me a excuse to hit you"
"I'm not a parent"
" *Give me 10 minutes* "
A single line was so heavy it hit like a boulder
I miss all the jokes apparently
Oh no
I’m not sure if it means she’s gonna come up with an excuse or you know… make him a parent
What
"Why do you want to kill kids with eagles? A gun is far more effective"
"Eagles are cooler"
"Understandable"
An yes, such fine and civilized arguments.
Do both, take a Desert Eagle
@@guifire9747 and get both the animal and the firearm or better yet, train the animal to use the firearm so that it can attack the child from afar before swooping in to finish them off
@@yellowysmile9795 Perfection
When i think about it an eagle firing a gun at children is the most american thing to imagine ^^
hordes of bald eagles hunting everything they can with guns
Funnily enough, his acceptance of using "cool and unusual" practices instead of established and efficient ones go against Harry's philosophy that the world must become efficient first before it is allowed to be happy.
"Why do you want to kill children with eagles?"
"Because it's cooler."
*several minutes later*
"Why do you want to raise children in concentration camps?"
"Because it's optimal."
I love these guys.
Harry probably wants to give children "salvation" so that Anti-Aircraft Defences could deal with FC's eagles
went from 0 to 100 in the Mussolini department real quick.
I was holding it in, but Harry describing concentration camps as "Hogwarts without magic" made me lose it.
Same. I haven't laughed so much in a while.
Well I mean, he's right
"You're a wizard Harry"
@@dhanvi-shah You're a prisoner, Harry
@@nicholas7743 You're a child, Harry.
"Concentration camps are not necessarily bad" is not a sentence i thought i would hear today
Its the same thing with nuclear power plants, everyone keeps on associating it with past events, but never critically think what it'd actually do. Most people are, very sadly, dumb.
And I'm the kind of person who believed everyone had "amazing potential"... Now watch French Baguette, I'm learning it just isn't true. 😓
That's true. A concentration camp is a camp with a concentration in it. When people think of concentration camps, they think of concentration camps + slaughter + torture + nazis etc ...
Summer camps are a type of concentration camps when you think about it. Or is it the other way around?
Concentrarion camps =/= Death camps
Nobody is safe when harry goes on his schizophrenic villain rants
When seraphina said that the best way to teach your kids is by emotionally traumatizing them, it caught me totally of guard.
It was the most based moment in the whole thing, because of the unexpectedness of it
I think she's been around Harry a bit too long lol
hey its true, my mother offered me a sip of beer when i was 4 and i was so disgusted by it that im almost 31 and still havent had alcohol since, the emotional trauma of beer tasting very bitter was all it took!
Once when I was sitting in a park with my friend a little girl who passed by asked us if we hade girlfriends. When my friend replied "no" the girl responded with "I understand why".
Don't be fooled, little girls can be truly savage.
Dude when I was a kid I wanted to play with a group of girls and they said that only 4 people could play. There were 5 of them.
They proceeded to shoo me away and play their 5 people 4 people game.
A friend of mine once went to a weeding alone, one of the kids there asked where was his wife so he explained that he was gay and the kid asked where was his husband
That destroyed him for a week
@@microwave8931 Dude i had a similar situation but instead the girls told me that if i wanted to play i had to kiss every single boy at my school.
I did it,im not even mad that i did that,im mad that they still didn't get me to play.
Lol.
He should've said "do you?"
"Hogwarts without the magic" is a line that a professional team would only come up with after years of brainstorming, it gets more and more ominous the more you think about it.
Hogwarts but no magic and in the southern us
The main problem with Harry's system is the lack of killer eagles, the eagles will be a sign of respect and awe for the youth but a sign of fear for the abusers of power
An american would say, a dessert eagle should be fine.
Harry's and Bowl's idea is reminding me of The Giver (Novel and Movie). Idk how to explain it though.
Guns can do that too, look at how gunslinging cowboys were idolized by kids and how politicians try to restrict guns.
Just train an eagle to use a gun
“There is no need to hit your kids to teach them a lesson. Especially when there is a much better way to educate them: Emotional trauma.”
“You have Bowl’s attention.”
Best line of the video.
LMAO TRUE
Me when I was 10 googling up what catgut is when my friends say they use it and saying I was depressed because of it
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
Bowl is the highlight of every discussion even when he's there for like 2 lines
Was shocked it didn't come from Harry
I love the ending. A random third party comes in with a shit take, and everyone bands together. Truly an amazing story arc.
everybody gangsta til they get rolled up on by the quadruple objection
*And thus, the cycle repeats...*
Proposal: train eagles to spot anyone who acts off-script and report them back.
That system would crumble in the face of change tho
You could only have one schedule for the creature's lifespan as I doubt it could be taught to discern between different schedules
Nah, just train the eagles to attack anyone who acts off-script and drag their unconscious body to the nearest security. If the dude dies that's that, if he lives then interrogation
@@realmario979 is an eagle strong enough to do that?
@@williamgeorge3111 genetically modified eagles with the strength to lift a man
Harry once again being the embodiment of the villain that kinda has a point.
Bowl is his henchman, change my mind
@@alexanderthegreat6682 Well they don't always see eye to eye, *darth vader vs mr. Incredible cough*, bowl is more like the villian who does villainy for fun. Harry does villainy because he doesn't even consider it villainy, he considers it rationality.
@@trainerrichard6859 exactly. This is the basis of a good villain-henchman relationship
"If you won't listen to reason, you will answer to force" unironically is a quote that belongs in the history books, gotta hand it to the frenchie, everything he does is just that bit philosophical
The french are, by nature, very philosophical
Incredibilis
@@thestoner8382 agreed
It reminds me of the shield of my country (Chile) it says:
"Por la razón o la fuerza" (by reasoning or by force)
@Plagued Man they dominated most of history as a world superpower up until the first world war, I can tell you're american
Just here halfway through the video to say this. Bowl actually referencing Ace Attorney series in a an argument is the weirdest thing I heard anyone say in these videos only because I can't recall any of them referring to Ace Attorney despite all the videos formatted through Ace Attorney sprites.
Next video being them talking ace attorney???? (I'm not funny)
This and some segments of the metaverse video make me think there might actually be some meta-lore shit going on lol,maybe a fully scripted video some day?
"Happiness is a toxic delusion and it should be *banned*. The world NEEDS misery to keep growing and that is why we should raise our children in concentration camps."
Harry is consistently out-of-pocket with the things he says but this one might just be the most deranged, comic book villain thing I've ever seen anyone come out with.
I'm honestly impressed with how consistently he can make me just pause the video and stare at it in pure bafflement.
I wish I could come up with stuff like that on the spot
"That's because your system would rob everyone of their individuality! "
"Schools already do that!"
It's sad how true this observation is.
We dont need individuality if all those are going to be negative. A good stream of mediocre slaves would be far more useful than a bunch psychopathic serial what evers having different mos.
I feel like a lot of people who kept their individuality after school probably fought tooth and nail in order to not conform to the norm
@@ynrikotowers4374 I would rather have that, then all the possibility of change because someone thinks outside of the norm being turned into yet another obedient slave for the masses.
I remember when I was in middle school and I read the reviews for The Escapists after finishing Jacksepticeye's series on the first game. Half of them said it was middle school simulator. Hit hard.
"We need to separate the children form their parents."
Yeah, that's what the American school system has been doing for a while, look how that's turned out.
I love how an innocent conversation about Eagles turned into an argument on whether or not we should send kids into concentration camps and how viable it would be.
Training the eagles specifically to kidnap toddlers and drop them from the sky doesn't seem very innocent to me
*innocent conversation about eagles*
Right
Hmmm.... not so sure about that one
More like pedantic and ridiculous to serious and disturbing.
YEAH "INNOCENT" totally
I love how Bowl gives an incredibly based take and Harry responds with, “how can I go even further?”.
Bowl is a real chad, instead of getting concerned that FC may stunt his children’s development with alcohol. He gets mad that FC would try to teach them that it is poison.
he's honestly more likely made that he wasn't the one getting hammered as a kid.
We definitely should raise children using a system that bases itself on Bowl's dogmatic principles and philosophical needs, so every adult gets to be as based as him.
Imagine every kids possess the same level of bigotry as bowl
I love this comment
Nice opinion, one small issue: No one will ever be as based as Bowl
@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. that’s why Bowl is in charge
That would make Bowl less based in retrospective. "When eveyone's super, no one is"
I don't know why I think every time Harry can't get worse, he somehow does. If this man wanted, he could argue Gringo, FC, Bowl, Goblin and Em altogether, and he would somehow make it both amusing and thought provoking yet never serious enough for you to consider the idea
What do you mean, worse? He's amazing, and gets better with every debate.
@@DrgnZip as in subject matter, he talked in support of concentration camps this time
@@braindavidgilbert3147 And I agree.
@@PhilosophiceRetardari based
I would consider it.
"Yes. Give me an excuse to hit you."
"I'm not a parent."
"Give me 10 minutes."
Extremely bold of her. Not the proposal, just the fact she thinks FC would last 10 minutes.
It always takes more then one time
@@sktalking223 rounds were made not for fighting, but also bed sparring
*wait, did she mean 10 minutes to beat him up, or make him a parent?*
@@Jahito_EBT who said it can't be both
@@lancetheking7524 *touché*
Every time someone mentions the F.B.I. in relation to pdphile rings, I'm compelled to mention that the F.B.I. actually ran a pd ring site for two weeks and out of over 150K known users (assumed to be all pd's, because who else would use the site?), the investigation resulted in a paltry-in-comparison charge of 137 individuals (less than ONE PERCENT of the userbase, literally 0.0913 percent), but in the F.B.I.'s own words, "at least 350 U.S.-based individuals arrested", "25 producers of child pornography prosecuted", "51 hands-on abusers prosecuted", and "548 international arrests", with "55 American children successfully identified or rescued" and "296 sexually abused children identified or rescued", but no word on if the individuals prosecuted were _actually convicted of the crime,_ and totally ignoring that THE F.B.I. RAN THE SITE and disseminated hundreds if not thousands of pictures and revictimized a bunch of those kids. On a site with over 150K users. And the case United States v. Jay Michaud was thrown out by the judge because the Bureau used malware/a TOR-breaking tool to gather the info in the first place, the source code for which they refused to release when ordered by the judge, making the gathering of evidence itself and the tool used for it unlawful but also _something they prioritized over the safety of children._
They fucked up, and I keep remembering that whenever someone mentions the F.B.I. They don't give a _that much_ of a damn about kids.
Oh, and this isn't even talking about the judges that give lenient sentences to pd's because they're rich and "wouldn't fare well in prison".
Regarding your last point
It's kinda crazy to think that prisoners will give harsher punishments to pd's than the legal system
I think that a solution to the pd problem on the concentration camp system is to diagnose the disorder at a young age and normalize treatment, I mean why would I keep being schizophrenic if the pharmacy next door just needs a small paper signed by a professional doctor in order to give me the medicine I need? Why would I keep being a pd if the risk for my life and the lives of others is incredibly high and I can just get rehabilitation by a competent medical professional? Then obviously don't allow them near the schools just in case and employ them on jobs that require low human intelligence, as a side bonus if you kill the pd's then you have already tried everything and it's not like they are just going to stop because they were punished considering that all other methods failed
@ Olivier L. You can’t just change someone’s sexual orientation by sending them to a therapist for a bit.
@@maxthexpfarmer3957 it's not changing their sexual orientation, if they like girls, guys or both they are still gonna like them, they are just going to be adults instead
I'm pretty sure it's not just therapy, it takes a lot of psychological care and some other stuff, a lot of people claim to have undergone treatment and that it helped substantially, I still gotta do more research on it but if you can help deal with that you're saving a lot of people
The French Baguette Intelligence did all of this? That's crazy
@@hamlet8179 🤣
Harry's idea got me thinking: Plato thought the same thing about separating children from their parents so that they could be grown by specialized educators (which would be philosophers essentially) so that they could be able to distinguish what each child could become (either a worker, soldier or philosopher). Harry is more deep than we all thought after all.
Hes always deep. Hes dark abyss deep.
He's deep, alright, but I could come up with deeper stuff in the shower when I was 9. He keeps adding more stuff to his evil empire everytime someone proves that it wouldn't work... Or maybe he's secretly powerful enough to actually do it and he's always arguing with them because they can see the flaws in his plans and he'll use their help to make himself flawlessly invincible.
Well humans were created in small societies since the beginning, children were taught by the entire community, not just by their parents
@@Tyetil Those humans aren't professionals.
@@slavishentity6705 that'd be some 4d chess plot twist
Harry is a brilliant man, he sacrificies ethics for efficiency.
The only time I couldn't agree with him is on Incredible vs Vader.
Only he can turn "little girls are evil" to "we should send children to good concentration camps".
I wish him good health and increase in efficiency.
But Mr. Incredible would win a fight against Vader. The simplest reason being the fact that Mr. Incredible is a superhero from a kids show, granting him a near-invicible plot armour
@@Michael-fw9xb no, it would be a tie for nothing would be gained story-wise from one of them killing the other.
Mister Incredible is an incredible mister
I wouldn't call him brilliant if he mistakes classical conditioning with operant conditioning. Pavlov's classical conditioning is about combining stimuli together to transfer the reaction of one to the other, like association. "punishing bad" and "rewarding good" to de- or increase behavior is Skinner and Thorndike's operant conditioning, however. Mixing up the two is like mixing up left and right.
No offense but there's always tons of logical holes Harry jumps over, even while being "pragmatism only" to the point that I don't even acknowledge his points anymore.
@@realmario979
but a fight can be declare victorious or a lose without death, therefore i concur mr incredible could beat darth vader but not kill.
parenting is probably the biggest and most common challange your average person can end up facing and yet it surprises me how so many people can screw it up lol.
The easier a task is, the easier to mess it up, and the harder it is, the easier to mess it up.
@@sedmirnel7764 so it has to be medium difficulty? But that's the most lame one
@@sandromaspindzelashvili5767 the more medium difficulty a task is, the easier it is to mess it up
@@thehuyto hahaha
I mean... kinda like cooking?
I’d say yes. What if the children get attacked by wild rats? You need an Eagle to take care of that. Plus, if the child misbehaves while the parents are away, it can serve its purpose: and attack/punish your child.
Bruh
Played too much pokemon have we. Wild pikachus dont appear that often. Not that I dont want a pikachu to appear or anything.
funny that you mention rats. Two fictional kids who are famous in ny country, zipi and zape, were regularly punished by his father by locking them in a room full of mice and rats.
In most iterations, eventually they trained the rats to perform tricks and had pretty much a good time whenever they were punished
trust me, the moment a wild pikachu appears, society will be at risk
@@ynrikotowers4374"this is an electric gym, i have a ground type, i win"
And when Franziska has to pronounce a disclaimer right off the bat, you know it's going to be a lovely video.
“Concentration Camps have an unfairly negative reputation” - A perfectly sane, logical, and empathetic individual. God Harry is such a joy whenever he’s on screen.
The Bowl and Harry combo is even better then them fighting. And it’s something I’ve waited to see for an even longer amount of time
FC: "I'm not a parent"
Cleo: "give me 10 minutes"
these are exactly the kind of multi-layer jokes that i come to this channel for, and congratulations on becoming a father FC
(don't worry, i'm sure you lasted a good 11.5 minutes)
FC and Cleo are the dream team lmao
@@giantdad1661 they shall go on their expedition of children and eagles
Can I get a time stamp please?
@@alexp.7068 15:40
@@alexp.7068 15:40
As my dad once said: "you shouldnt beat your child frequently, you should only hit your child once with extreme force, thats how they will learn."
One cool thing would be to train birds to watch over children and protect them from potential threats, imagine how crazy it'd be to have a eagle watching over you, that's like your guardian
That'd be cool but also funny. I imagine a creepy guy approaching a child only to get dive bombed and thrashed by an eagle out of nowhere
@@kirtil5177 Imagine a creepy guy approaching a child only to get a M67 grenade dropped on him and obliterating his upper body
@@Leshyman You'd obliterate the kid too.
@@giantdad1661 a fair trade
@@derickp2598 Okay Harry lmao point taken.
"Parents are an obstacle, not an asset"
- Harry
This one hit me like a train of how true this was to me
“Little girls are a threat to society” - Faux Cares, 2022
I'll never forgive that girl in 3rd grade for making me reveal my home address to the class
This is the best sort of debate this channel has to offer :
Start with an amusing yet dark, politically incorrect subject or propostion, then slowly delve into deeper and more serious topics by imagining the most extreme/contrasting systems to what we actually have (often this role is carried by either Bowl or Harry).
Then start punching holes in it over and over again until you can actally get a decent picture of it and decide for yourself if the idea is worth pursuing.
I wish I had more friends with who I could have these sort of discussions (I do, but not many) because unfortunately most people either can't possibly consider thoughts/systems that try to completely re-think certain things (such as democracy, human nature, right and wrong) or they are incapable of following this level of conversation. I hate to say it, but it seems Harry is in part right about the glorification of mediocrity these days...
In any case this, along with the "Should science be ethical" debate, are probably the best ones on this channel for they are both amusing, entertaining, serious, thought-provoking and articulate. And being French myself I'm proud to have FC as a representative in this court!
Thanks for the amazing content, and please I beg of you to release an uncensored version of the "Should science be ethical" debate, I can't stop thinking about what Harry had to say! If not on YT then somewhere else, in the name of freedom of thought! ☝
I agree, I think it's one of the best formulas this channel could lean on.
I only found this channel today, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's a really nice change of pace to see different people talking these things out amongst each other as opposed to doing various thought experiments and having multifaceted inner dialogues on these kinds topics due to a lack of company with which to discuss them in depth.
Don't forget the strange meta-discussion of Ace Attorney canon. It all adds up, because Bowl/Edgeworth strikes me as someone who puts on a bigoted persona, but is actually a half reasonable person; while Harry is actually evil incarnate.
This is what I like about Harry, his ideas might be outrageous but they are not completely wrong thus giving space to interesting discutions like this which wouldn't normally happen.
This is even more entertaining because Harry, unlike the majority of people with this kind of ideas, actually knows how to argue and so knows FC allowing to this back and forth of arguments, with the casual bullying of the frenchies from Bowl
(parce que putain imagine être français) , which is appreciated and almost makes me like him but unfortunately to my displeasure he is British (we can't have everything).
This makes me think of we treated crazy people in the middle ages, we would actually hear and listen to them and try to understand what they are saying.
Harry's ideas are completely outlandish but like a crazy person, there is still some truth hidden inside, waiting to be discovered.
(I am absolutely not saying that Harry is crazy, just that his ideas are.)
Seraphina argued for state sponsored parentship
Harry argued for government raised children
Both will lead to governments brainwashing children in any case
Someone has to have thought of this before, but Harry's thoughts are literally directly transferable to written villainy.
Like, you could just steal Harry's arguments and use them in a book. They just keep coming, too.
Like really, "happiness is unnecessary and dangerous", with actual points and reasoning? It's just too perfect.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 For real, I could just steal the arguments of the Science and Ethics video and write a whole novel about due to how thought-provoking the arguments are.
Honestly, his ideas on how schools should be run really don't work.
Because that's the way American schools, at the very least, have been going.
I love how Bowl is usually just mildly edgy but can be easily lead into the most psychopathic batshit line if Harry is present.
That whole thing Harry said about Michael Caine reminds me of how children a few decades ago relied on Mr. Rogers as a father figure in the absense of their own. I think I had even read one such comment some time back of how he helped the person commenting growing up simply through his show. It might not be a bad idea to have such programming be widely available to children, with similar ideas and values that Mr. Rogers had.
Ever hear the wierd story that Long before he did that show; the Man who Played Mr. Rogers was a badass marine that served in Vietnam and the reason he always wore long sleeves was he had tattoos up and down his arms?
@@cnlbenmc I think I had heard something about him being a war vet, but not the part about him having tattoos. Even so, that's such an interesting detail about him: going to war, while remaining humbled through such experiences, because such events can seriously impact a person.
@@Indie_Calls its bullshit though
@@Geostelar4920 so what if it is? Doesn't change his humility
Bowl was too fucking funny this debate I swear, actually this whole fucking video is pure comedy this channel is such a gem
'And who are the qualified people to teach our kids would be?'
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' *Michael Caine* '
I almost threw up of how much I laughed at that, fucking Harry being a genius as always
"That puts you on par with a californian single mother. Your best weapon is to beg for mercy, and you deserve none" FC was given a gift by God, there is no other way to describe his skill in insults
thats just how the french work, everyone has their gifts and the french person's gift is arguing and insulting
Bowl’s red coat is 2000% fucking British _ｄｒｉｐｐｙ_ and I’m here for it
I like how this channels debates get progressively crazier the more time passes on
*Who would win?*
A fullgrown Frenchman with unlimited debating stamina who's also an Ace Attorney charavter
OR
A little girl that wanted to sit on the bench said Frenchman wad occupying
My debating skills are useless against a creature beyond reason.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence
Makes sense
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence OUR PHILOSOPHY COURSES DID NOT PREPARE US FOR A THREAT OF THIS MAGNITUDE
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence damn
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence basically debating with an idiot is harder than an intelligent person
Unironically might be the best one you've done yet! Harry just dropping the "honestly concentration camps get a bad rap" legitimately floored me even though it's totally in line with how he rolls lmao
As a introvert little kids are my bane. How can such a little thing have so much energy. Don't get me started when they start screaming for no reason.
You know the video is going to be good when it has a disclaimer
50 minutes. 50 MINUTES of thought-provoking, well written and constructed argumentation, along with top of the line jokes. This channel never ceases to amaze me.
this is no exaggeration, but this is literally my fav youtube channel... ever
@@AziDoesQuestionableThings Honestly, I'm trying really hard to find a channel with objectively better content but I'm having a really hard time. I think this might be my favorite as well!
One obvious this to mention: this system also implies that every single person funding and pushing this program has the best intentions, because it isn't based around money or any progress for the people behind it. It's based entirely on looking out for the people who will benefit off of it while all you get in exchange is, essentially, clout.
If this system were government funded, this would absolutely not be the case, unless there are specific conditions that won't come to fruition in our lifetime.
I think this is more of a cultural change really, we need to start having more conviction over most things and that is something that can be taught, so I somewhat agree with FC's proposal of a change to the education system. But only somewhat, because that's its own can of worms.
Good video.
You don't just get clout, you get to live in a society that isn't dominated by fucking idiots.
@@DrgnZip How much time does it take for a new generation to replace the oldies ? You'd be dead by the time you can reap the benefits. You're only making the world a better place for future generations, unless experimenting on Twitter MAPs made people immortal.
@@slavishentity6705 Making people immortal would eliminate the need of having children, thus rendering the new system obsolete and redundant
@@DrgnZip Ah, but a society of fucking idiots will never question the status quo, as long as bread is on the shelves and beer in the pubs. Perfect for someone wishing to maintain power, perhaps, a government micromanaging the raising of children?
I thought that after all the previous debates that nothing that appears on this channel could surprise me. Yet here we are.
After watching the entire thing... Harry is truly a being far above us other pitiful mortals. I may not agree with him on everything, but he actually made a strong case for his arguments.
Still I am glad he is very far away from me. Probably the best debate so far. Good work, Frenchie.
"That is why i sometimes hit my parents"
That line is too powerful, even for Harry
Harry is once again proving himself to be the dark grey area villain, malevolent but possibly effective
About argumentative children, you could say I was one of them but unlike FC my argumentative spirit got drained and beaten into pulp by the realisation that arguing most of the time is ineffective, I argued with a lot of people in my youth and seen a lot of discussions and the thing is that arguing not only can lead to nowhere but a lot of time can make the person you are arguing with even more stubborn because they don't want to lose. In time I stopped arguing with my parents and pretty much a most people I thought were just to stubborn or stupid and that resulted in me stopping arguing with a lot of people because my line of thought was "I'm right and no matter what this person will never understand it"(I basically became the same thing I hated), this was one of the worst things ever happened to me. Arguing with someone is one of the most productive things you can do because it can give you new perspectives on things, point out flaws in your logic, make you learn more things, make you more humble and open minded and make you better at speaking. I, unfortunately, lost my fire and nowdays most of the time when someone says something I don't agree with I just ignore them because I think that a discussion with that person will be just a waste of our time and I'm wrong, neglecting so much discussion not only made me worse at arguing but it also made me more arrogant about my beliefs. That said it's also bad to argue about every little thing, unfortunately I'm to lazy to keep writing this comment, sorry for the bad grammar btw
An interesting approach to arguing is to not argue. You're 100% right that people tend to double down and get more stubborn when you argue with them. So instead of arguing, you take what they say at face value, repeat it back, and when you don't understand how they got from point A to point B or something is seemingly contradictory ask them to explain. What happens is either they're right, and you figure out they're right without looking like a stubborn idiot yourself, or they're wrong and having to examine their own train of thought they start to notice they're wrong and are more open to being corrected. This doesn't work in all contexts, because sometimes the other person knows what they're saying isn't logically consistent and they're arguing disingenuously. You'll see this in politics, particularly when a really extreme movement is happening, but most people don't engage with politics in their day to day.
Dont worry, man. You can definetly "light" that fire again. Just scroll throught the internet, get in touch with different views, then learn some argumentative skills, then starts playing discussion games with friends. After some weeks, you will get things right again.
Ironically, Harry's speech about happiness made me happy
21:00 I'm currently writing a story and I can tell it's simply because healthy relationships between a character and his parents are so hard to write it should be illegal.
"When little girls are cute, they use this to manipulate EVERYONE"
Hey that could be an actual trauma for Phoenix!
I am only an 8th of the way through and you're already spitting facts about parents I've been saying for years.
Unironically, bravo, sir. You have proven frogs are as wise as they say.
You guys haven't yet?
ALSO: Nobody here condones training eagles to kidnap children? You're REALLY gonna say that with Harry in the room?
He'd rather use a gun
He'd rather use a gun.
@@giantdad1661 That's literally what I said though
@@glo_bin He added a dot.
@@glo_bin You broke the chain...
Goddamn i haven't laughed like this in weeks, Bowl continues being based, Harry continues being right in the worst way possible, and FC continues being short.
Great video
6:26-6:55 I have never heard somebody describe exactly what I wish most adults understood. I am in fact, an OBNOXIOUSLY argumentative child who has cognitive inflexibility, and my Christian parents lost their minds when saying “because I said so” wasn’t enough for me to submit to their ‘authority’. Before telling someone to do something you must first understand why you are telling them.
If you don't want to argue for hours with your child, just admit that you don't want to spend time with your child and send them to Harry's place.
based
People, and especially parents, always seem to forget that an argument (even with a child) goes both ways.
This is why I'm so glad I had the parents I did. My favorite word growing up was 'why', and I've always, and still do, consider "Because" to be a not-answer. It's the answer you give when you don't have an answer or you don't want to answer.
My parents figured out pretty quickly that 'because' wasn't good enough for me, and so when I asked I always got a reason, even if that reason was just 'that's how the world works'. Of course sometimes my parents (re; my dad) would straight up lie to me too, but it was still a better answer than 'because'.
I have lots of thoughts on why 'because' is a terrible answer, especially for kids, but regardless I'm very glad my parents recognized that wasn't good enough for me and adapted
“Because”,”because I said so”, and “don’t talk back” are either a lazy means of avoiding an answer because you don’t want to put in the time, or they’re the defense of a person who expects you to accept those answers like they did.
Harry not being hugged enough as a kid is the reason he had to resort to the unbeatable cape argument to defeat Bowl, don't @ me.
Why, this has probably been one of the most interesting arguments yet. I’ll be honest, I can see Harry’s idea working under the right circumstances, but as some other people have already mentioned, I believe that for the facility to be ran in an appropriate fashion, it would first require a reform of the education system and the ‘mediocre person’ as a whole. Although, that is itself a whole separate problem that could warrant discussion. Very interesting, this one.
"May I suggest that we also install auxiliary rockets on the boots of each child that are programmed to let them fly away?"
*"That kind of technology is possible."*
I love it. I love this.
5 year olds hitting you isn't even the worst, the worst is when they threaten you with throwing themselves to the ground and scream pedophile or something of the kind. Those are the real demons.
why would a 5 year old understand what a pedophile is 😭😭
Yeah Baby, the Baguette has given us wisdom once more. Let's bask in his glory and learn the ways of the Frog.
I love how the videos go from one topic to something completely unrelated. It's unexpected, yet entertaining.
Baguette transitioning from debate bro to video essayist before our very eyes
I’ll bet the child just called him short and he was traumatised by that
12:00 I always find it incredibly stupid that adoptive parents need to pass for so much drama to gain custody of a child while biological parents dont get nearly as much attention in that respect
by that logic is much more probable that biological parents abuse their child than adoptives parents do, because they where checked to be mentally stable beforehand
I think all parents should pass through psicollogical study to get a license to have a kid
If adoption was easy, pedophiles would pick up victims like groceries.
Parental licensing is a terrible idea, who can you trust to write the criteria? Depending on who it is, religious people or atheists would be blocked from having children, or vegans would be the only ones who could have children, or the ones prohibited from having children. It would be the one of the most tyrannical forms of oppression against minorities, possibly resulting in actual generational genocide in extreme cases.
But... The test wouldn't be a subjective or good test. It would be a test made by the government and would effectively only allow people that the state like to have children. So a very good way to only allow state approved bloodlines and make an entire society made of useful idiots
@@salveetvale make natural parents go through the exactly same tests adoptive parents have to go through and we fixed all the problems you proposed.
@gagne And the state is perfect?
@@maxthexpfarmer3957 I was being sarcastic, lol. We would have a society of Twitter users
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely on the "parents are necessary" side of this argument, but videos like these make me wish there was an experimental camp of children being raised by professionals, at at least to see how much of each side turns out to be true
You don’t need to make your kids drink alcohol on their fifth, seventh, and eleventh birthdays to associate alcohol with poison! I ate hand sanitizer in the fifth grade and all forms of alcohol and things that make you drunk have tasted like hand sanitizer since then!
Starla coming back out of nowhere and then getting dogpiled on by everyone is truly the highlight of this video
10/10
"I'm not a father" followed by "Give me ten minutes" is the strangest threat/promise I've ever heard and I plan to use it.
Harry is the best character you want as the antagonist of animes because he comes up with new ideas of making life worse for everyone in his presence.
Surprised Harry didn't immediately bring up arming the Eagle with a gun...
... For Science, of course.
*Faux Cares*
Strength: Spanish
Weakness: Women
Now, Oddly enough I find that for once Harry has proposed a good idea!
I see incredible value in this system, and while it would need to be heavily discussed and tested an incredible amount, it would almost certainly provide a better world.
Interestingly enough, I would think maybe a mixture of Seraphina's and Harry's ideas would provide the best outcome.
Parents would need to complete a test to ensure they're able to raise their child properly, if not the child is moved to the camp. Parents who can't make children, or even single adults, could take the test to see about adopting a child from the camps, and if they pass, they fill out forms to find a child that best fits their personalities.
This could reduce scale and costs, and ensure that the children being raised outside of the camps are being raised by people capable enough to do it correctly. Every 10 years or so they get a check in or something to ensure they're still doing it right.
Orphanages exist, and we as a society seem to be okay with them, So as far as I'm concerned this should be just as acceptable.
The idea you proposed is probably actually better than real-life orphanages. Lots of orphanages are fronts for child-trafficking rings and since most orphanages run on donations, they have very poor living conditions and the children eat bad food, sleep in uncomfortable beds, don’t have clean restrooms, etc. but this system would be government funded and seeing as the amount of people who would fail the test would undoubtedly be very high, there would be a ton of children and it would be imperative for the government to ensure that the system is working optimally.
Honestly though considering how little funding public schools get (especially in the US) it still will be far from perfect. Though no doubt better than the orphanages and perhaps even the schools we have IRL. As much as it pains me, someone who does not believe in the idea of religion and is terrified of nuns, orphanages that have the backing of a church are usually at least in when it comes to the facilities not when it comes to what the children actually experience, are actually better than independent orphanages since they have the financial backing of whatever church they’re run by, regular orphanages don’t have that unless they’re lucky enough to be near a the house of a good samaritan who is very very rich.
that part about orphanages, damn, never thought of that, that sounds like a good idea
Regarding the "test", this is what I am the most confused about. If the goal of this test is to measure someone's capacity for raising a child, how many questions can we actually include, and how would we make sure that studying for the test is not as simple as just picking up on patterns and memorizing facts like with the SAT or History exams? There are only so many questions I can think of when it comes to parenting properly, and would it not be easy to just ask someone who has taken the test about the general format and study accordingly? This would be a confounding variable, no? Someone could just go in prepared based on what they expect the system WANTS as a correct answer, rather than measuring their capability honestly.
"suffering idiots is the price to pay for a brilliant mans chance to be heard"
Honestly didnt expect this to come out of discussing whether to breed attack eagles.
Harry also keeps making amazing points but some of the absolute worst conclusions. The tyranny of ones limitations is honestly the most solid part in this. But the rest of this is very in character for harry.
Whenever I see Harry and Bowl standing side by side in any scene I have an overwhelming sense of dread and despair
Then one of them starts talking
You have been called, sir
bowl is looking for you lad
@Chav Bowl wants you in the discord
like Mega Drive - NARC intro
I feel like people often forget that Sidis died young, alone and depressed after accomplishing exactly nothing, precisely because his education made him unable to even think about living in society
This is exactly the beliefs on parenting I would expect from harry
Damn, the editing expands further and the exchanges get more interesting!
I think I'm currently a bit too slow and uneducated to have debates like this, but thinking about many different aspects during/along ongoing debates, be it mine or others, is absolutely fantastic. Maybe I should embrace it a bit more
I feel like Harry would enjoy 1984 for all the wrong reasons
At first I was like, “Are you sure I shouldn’t take you seriously? You guys sound pretty smart.” then we got into the Children Camps and I was like, “Oh, yep, there it is.”
Damn, that almost hour of video passed by WAY quicker than I thought it would.
I'll say one thing that can certainly be agreed upon out of all of this is the mediocrity of educational systems, ESPECIALLY the ones here in America.
Also, I almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard at the end of the video. After all was said & done, Bowl & FC left. And then comes mention of some fucking moron, & *_IMMEDIATELY,_* the fatigue of that one hour argument was *_completely forgotten_* as they jump RIGHT back into it lmao
I goddam love how your videos just go from
"i should train an eagle to harm children"
to
"why education camps for children is a horrible idea"
23:10 - 24:06 is the most beautifully "Harry" paragraph Harry ever wrote.
PLEASE tell me the next one is gonna be about Art being Objective or not. I NEED it!
Also I fucking love your videos, they are the best educational method to raise children imo. No matter what they always make me ponder on subjects I haven't given proper consideration while still being hilarious. Amazing work, really
"Every child deserves a parent, not every parent deserves a child"
20 seconds in and there's a disclaimer claiming that santa claus murder is not promoted . This is going to be an epic ride
That end, holy shit, a terrible take that was strong enough to reawaken both FC and Bowl at the same time
When they say that there is no exploration in a concentration camp, that also applies to our lives already. I myself have never been abroad, and have rarely been further into my country. Some, like myself, don't explore much anyway due to money constraints, so it is clearly not a required experience.
I get the feeling Harry’s favourite video game character is Senator Armstrong because he thinks he’s right.
I’m suprised no one suggested using multiple eagles
Another entertaining discussion as always. When FC talked about how the education system is mediocre which led to creating mediocre people, it made my wonder if there was a need to focus on the parenting aspect. If the education system created better people on average, wouldn't that also lead to future generations becoming better parents?
->They mention "Colonia Dignidad"
Me, as a Chilean: Oooh shit, here it comes!!
Many of the counterarguments agaisnt Harry's "Happy thoughts" can be easily found in Latin America and it's bloody history anyways
The whole squad coming back after they left because someone said something wrong at the end is what I needed.