The Two Most Valuable Fender Twin Amps - Comparison
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2017
- Originals - 1959 High Powered Tweed Twin 5F8-A VS 1957 Low Powered Tweed Twin 5E-8. 2008 Gibson Les Paul 1959 Standard Reissue and 1963 Fender Stratocaster. Close mic Unidyne 548, room mic AKG C414 Omni. Both amps have Jensen P12N Reissues.
I so much look forward to each new post you make. Love to hear the various vintage amps at their best, recorded properly along with GREAT riffage! A joy to the ears!! :-) Both sound amazing in their own right.
+jcoulter43 Thanks, I'm so glad to hear that! :-)
It's like trying to pick a favorite color.
Fantastic playing as always,
Thank You!
+Bothand Nether Thanks, great to hear that! Cheers!
Well, I never had trouble picking a favorite color ;) Just saying lol
I really appreciate the effort put into all your videos. the sound quality is great. I find I put on headphones at work and just let run.
+Gary Thompson Thanks Gary, that makes me glad to hear!
That sounds soooooo good,I can't even choose from the two,great video cheers from Washington state!!!
+The channel for everything Thanks! Great to hear that!
Agreed .Terrific sounding both of them. And great playing to demo them as always :)
Great Speakers !
Bothell WA, right there with you:-> and I absolutely agree about the sound.
Gorgeous! And very interesting how your way of playing varies so much as a function of the amp: more subtle and rolling with the low power, more rocking with the 59. Obviously we all need both!
+e. tienne yeah, they definitely encouraged different playing :-)
You are my favorite UA-cam! Thank you for the awesome videos :)
+Philipp S. Thanks Philip, I'm so glad to hear that!
both have a place in our hearts...drooling...the 59 is my favorite
+Sam Fosdick Thanks Sam! :-)
9 minutes of pure tone heaven. That made my day. Thank you.
Thanks Johann . Beautiful amps, look forward to more vintage tweed demos. Love the sound of your 59 les paul through these amps.
+tweed guitar Thanks, yeah Bassman, Deluxe and Princeton is coming up soon
It would be interesting to put the bassman side by side with an early JTM45, both with the original cabs of the day. Thankyou for your great work, it is sincerely appreciated. cheers
+tweed guitar The Bassman is a combo so there's no cab involved
Love you videos. The end. Keep it coming, you have lots of fans in Canada!
Johan, That Les Paul and you are perfect together.
Great sounds!
+Bob Boitt Thanks Bob, I'm glad to hear that!
that strat sounded killer on both. i had a red knob twin in the 90s, it was HEAVY sounding and weight wise....casters baby. great demo guys!!
+STEVE LEITNER Thanks Steve! :-)
I agree that strat sounded great.
Iv put casters on my 59 hi power great difference.
Haha the evil twin. Never liked them.
The coolest tones you have achieved on the channel, so far. Great!
+Wilhelm Urriola Escala Thanks, I'm really glad to hear it!
That 59 is unreal!
Great vid as always
+superstardestroyer92 Thanks :-)
I really like the combination with the start and the low power Twin. Especially at 4:00!! And a really nice demo!!
Great comparison as always. They both sound awesome but with different overtones. The low power has that great crunchy warmth and the high power will kick you in the face. I like them both. Eric said he started playing the tweed twin lp because it sounded like his Marshall bluesbreaker. Would like to see that comparison.
+Chuck Nix Thanks Chuck, that would indeed be an interesting comparison. We'll try to do that soon! Cheers
For me the high power with the Paul is the best tone ever.
+Tamir Keren Thanks, they did indeed work great together. Cheers!
hi Tamir....when they change to the 57' you notice a come down kinda feeling.....!
Johan your videos always inspire me to play more:)
+Dmitriy Kopotilov Thanks Dmitriy, that's a very nice compliment!
After a hard day at work, no better way to relax than a video that starts with "Today we are going to sheck out..." And alas, it turns out to be a comparison video. Still, it did the trick. Thanks. This will be a go to video when I need a minute to focus...
+reno145 Thanks :-)
Just Wow...the 59 High Powered Twin is the best amp I've heard on UA-cam! Absolutely no idea where I could play it but simply glorious! Great job as always Johan...I guess we know why Bonamassa put the Jube's away for HP Twins😉!
+Ladbrokelads Thanks! :-)
All you will need is for Eric Clapton or Keith Richards to ask you to sit in.......and bring your high-powered Twin to match theirs! If it's Joe Bonamassa then no worries, he owns so many of them he should be able to bring a spare for you to plug into. I am a pro harmonica player (48 years) and have owned about 9 original Tweed Bassmans but not one of these.....I know they are good for Harp too.
great job once again guys! they're both beautiful amps, but my favourite would be the high power - it's just so raunchy! :)
+superflea72 Thanks, it answered so well. A pleasure to play it.
Both amps sound absolutely killer!
+Benoit Bolduc Thanks Benoit!
Great video, great amps! I am falling in love with the Tweed sound. Johan, do you know why these amps don't have the original speakers?
That's two Fender Amps that I don't have ... I've got lots of tweeds, Browns, Blackfaces, Drip Edge Silverfaces but know Tweed Twins ... thanks for sharing !! Great stuff !!!
both sound amasing ! dont even know witch one i like more. the 59 sounds as if it has a little more bite to it. thanks !
+Adam Flam Thanks Adam!
Strat into a Fender Amp is just magic.
+Marlon Borreo Yeah designed for each other :-)
Wow, that HPTT!! So Stonesy at the 2:39 mark--love love love it! That's a Fender that could cop some Page tones, as well. Just so powerful and responsive sounding. Fantastic video once again, and like others I've love to hear the HPTT against the Bassman.
+bhmccue Thanks, we'll do the HPTT versus a 59 Bassman in a couple of days. :-)
What the hell this is torture they are both great amps
+William Pereira Sorry about that ;-)
Johan Segeborn tell me ...how in the hell can you understand the sound quality of these amplifiers when you're playing DISTORTION !!!!!!!!! Through both of these amplifiers??? Play a nice clean jazz style riff through these amplifiers then these amps will really sound like they're supposed to sound...
steve mitchell He's not using "distortion", that's the amps overdriving. This video actually does really well at showing how each one reacts differently when cranked. (Cause you know... tubes) And the reason these are some of the most sought after amps is NOT because of their clean tones. That's what Blackface Fenders and Roland JC120's are for. Tweeds are known for their overdriven tones. It's because of overdriven Fender tweed amps that Marshalls, and rock n roll in general, exist.
The both sound freakin' awesome!
+superreverbking Thanks! :-)
JOhan, OMG wont be able to sleep for days!!! What wonderful tone.........incredible...and as always your recordings let the tone reach us very well.....Thank you for this channel and your work.....oh yes...the Bassman compare would be awesome...oh and BTW are the speakers original? they look too new..
+rcolang1 Thanks :-) I think they are original.
+rcolang1 hi again, on closer inspection I saw that these are the new Italian Jensens.
Awesome sounds. Just needed a tele through it though, too!
High-Power for me! Thank you, and ... Thank you, Mr. Segeborn, for all these videos. Very entertaining and educational. Cheerio!
+rubaiyatu Thanks, good to hear that!
that sounds sooo good, nice video :)
+Alejandro Flores Thanks Alejandro! Glad to hear it! :-)
Love the High power with either guitar. Wow man. Such pure tone.
+hachewie Thanks, yeah an amazing amp
Damn, both amazing but the Low Power had some serious subtle character, thickness and dynamic range... whereby the high power was always pushing (beautiful though). How do these compare to the 59' Bassman in person? Thanks again for the great comparison Johan!
+Tricko Thanks, we're actually gonna compare these to a 59 Bassman and a bunch of other vintage tweeds and other amps soon. :-)
Florian Späth Sounds like it’s got to be great with pedals ... I wish they’d made a low power version
Great tones and playing guys ! I was wondering what you set these amps to ?
They both sounded killer!
those are very hard to find in such a great condition like the ones you played. sounds specially amazing! BTW i got a question, have you ever played a Royal JPP 50/100?
+Fer Ramirez Thanks, no I haven't played that one yet.
Maybe in the future! If you have a chance to play one it would be nice to do a demo! Go ahead! With the channel! I really enjoy your videos! Cheers!
+Fer Ramirez Glad to hear that! :-)
The Bonamassa recipe ! Love it Johan, great sound !
+Thomas Lund (phonegeek80) Thanks man :-)
Sooo gooood ! Thanks for the vid mate!
+eduardo miranda Thanks Eduardo! Cheers Johan
Epic tones, so raw. Most new amps just don't have this character.
wonderful! Thank you so much!
+Wolfgang Schneider Thanks man!
Always liked the low power versions of tweed, and same with many BF too.
I really do love this era of fender amps. The bite in the highs make them my favorite. They can have a low end that sounds a little flubbery, but still my fave.
+jess d Thanks Jess
according to Bonamassa, the best way to eliminate the flub is just the tiniest bit of chorus :)
@@KQKQ23 I got a Weber speaker made to spec of the original Jensen but with a ribbed cone lightly doped. Sounds amazing.
Both of these sound great. How much difference is there in volume? I ask because I have a Custom Shop FE3 Deluxe head that I love but I want a little more clean headroom. I'm wondering if I should go low-power or hi-power?
Thanks!
Try testing one of those red knob twins, if you can carry it that is!
You hit some real sweet spots with these two, I preferred the high power it wasn't so flubby
The strat sounds so good through the 59
Johan, you and Simon have such cool distictive complimentary guitar styles. And you make such cool songs. Is there a song you have where you each play a separate guitar track together?
That high power twin is perfect
+theycallmederryk Thanks, it was a joy to play
Hi Johan, a quick question. Did you guys try to "jumper" these like a 4 hole Plexi? I'm wondering if I should jump or use a Y-Cord.
Fender tweeds are my favorite Amps for sure! I think the 5e-8 sounds best. It sounds more like the smaller push-pull tweeds which is the quintessential tweed sound to me.
+John Emery Thanks John
Nice.Low power seems to suit the Strat, high power the Les paul. Thanks for sharing Man!
I think I like the tweed one the best! lol Both sound awesome and I can't wait to hear more! And use some tele's while you're at it! That's what they were destined to have played through them! Some great looking guitars on the wall there too! Is that a Fender Bass VI in there?
+mike s Thanks Mike, yeah there's a Bass V and a Bass VI behind the amps.
they both sound very good..the strat an the les paul have very responsive bite. .good amps Johan
+Robbie Russell Thanks Robbie!
Their good amps..i just like a good 2×12 tube Marshall..ive got an Epihone blues combo i switched from Eminence speakers to Celestion G.12s..perfect recording an stage amp..i love old 2×12 Marshalls....smokin!!!
Killa x2 !!! Where do you get beauts like this? Whoa!!! LP right on the edge!!!!
+hrstrat57 Thanks! Glad you like it!
Love both, but would absolutely take the 59 twin.
I like the high powered twin. Kef approved!
+Arnold Deal Thanks!
I'm not particularly surprised that I prefer the 5F8A to the 5E8. There are substantial differences in the preamps and phase inverters between the E and F generations. The 5F6A is basically the 5F8A with the 5E8 power section, and a 5F6A with one or two 12" Celestion AlNiCo Creams is probably my ideal amp, right now.
HP ftw! Were these both dimed (dozened)? Also, please confirm speakers, I see different bell covers. Thanks and keep the tweed comparisons coming!
+Sterling Indigo Hi, yeah they were almost dimed. They both have Jensen P12N reissues. One is without bell cover.
Johan- I would expect the low power Twin to break up a lot more at similar volumes because it would be being pushed harder. But that didn't seem to be the case and they seemed to have similar distortion characteristics with neither being noticeably cleaner than the other. Were they at the same volume? If so, why do think the high powered one didn't have more headroom?
+Dr C We played them at identical settings so the HP was at a higher volume here.
Awesome! What settings did you have on the amps? Thanks!
+63telly Thanks, we actually used the settings from the pictures in the clip. Cheers
THANKS FOR THAT WOOOW...!!! the best tone ever high powered twin ...again thank you
+steeve thomas Thanks Steeve!
WOW those amps sound really nice ! 63' Strat delivers the tone ! I am a Gibson fan, but I may just cash out the pension fund and start looking for this gear ! : )
+Mitchell Ferre Thanks Mitchell! :-)
I like this tone even more than the 59' Bassman you played a while ago. Probably the 12" speakers.
+Mr. Tee Thanks, we're gonna compare one of them to another 59 Bassman in a couple of days.
OMG! The 59! Instant Stones tone. I want it! lol
I'm just wondering how I can get that same tone out of my Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue. I bet I can.
+Death By KItty Thanks! It has the current Jensen P12N reissues installed, so try one of those in your Deluxe! Cheers
full volume
Bonamassa have a new signature amp! 59 tweed HP. Check this out.
jensen alnico, gain and master on full, no attenuator. there you go
Death By KItty Late response but if you can have a Tweed Deluxe or replica (5E3 circuit) that’s Stones to a T IMO
Sounds Heavenly!!
1959 everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. It just punches you in the face. Although if you ran clean boost pedal or something in front of the 1957 to get the same gain as the 1959, it might do better. Your mate, Simon has some nice chops (and feel). Great vid, Johan. Keep 'em, coming man. RAWWWWKKKKK!!
+Chris ACT Thanks, yeah Simon is a fantastic player!
Hi Johan. Between this two great amps, I would prefer the 59. Lasse
+Lasse Storgaard Jacobsen Thanks Lasse!
Really loving the Low Power. Such a lucky guy Johan ;-) The High Power ain't bad either of course!
+Unoriginal Username Thanks! :-)
I know what I'm building next, gonna go hunt an SE-8 schematic
+BearAmps Great choice :-)
Both amps are SLAMMIN"!! Can you put JBL D120 F in these and test for us? Hey, do these amps have reverb, if not which ones was the first year with reverb and tremolo?
I actually have the honor of owning a 1957 5E8-A. Apparently back then, the tone knobs would shape the amp like I have never felt. Such a versatile amp. Is that the stock speaker missing the cover? I have a P12Q and a P12R.
+Larry B Both these amps have P12N speakers. I assume they're stock.
+Larry B On a closer look I saw these amps both have Italian Jensens and not the originals.
In the name of the lord of tone... this is stupid good!
Bonamassa are running 2 beasts like this and 2 bassman... together + a boost pedal + a Cry Baby! Thanks!
+aschneider70 Thanks :-)
Hey man! What pups you rockin in the Les Paul and Strat? Thanks
+•epiphani•silentus• The Les Paul has 2013 Custombuckers and the Strat has the original 63 pups I think. Cheers
Wow, they really are both great. If I had to choose it would it wouldBe the low power, I think it had a little more articulate sound in the chords.
+Robert Whitfield Thanks man!
At 0:17, Isn't the amp the right a Bassman? I swear I see four speakers hiding behind the grille cloth.
+BB2009LZ Thanks, That is very perceptive of you! I put the wrong picture in the intro!! Damn :-) We're actually gonna compare a 59 bassman to one of these in a couple of days. But the rest of the pics in the clip are accurate. Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn Ok great! I was loosing my mind as well! :-)
Really digging the '59.
+mack1mus thanks
Hi!! Excelent video...Bonamassa uses one of those? ... If you had to choose .. bluesbreaker or tweed?
+Gonzalo Arriagada Thanks Gonzalo! I prefer Tweed to Bluesbreaker but Marshall stack to Tweed :-)
Johan Segeborn thanks!! .... Why do you prefer the tweed, is it more versatile or is it the type of tone?
Wonder if there are anybody here who knows if it is the preamp, the PI or the power amp that gives the Tweed shimmer/bite? It seems like people like the long
tailed pair PI best, from the ´59 amp.
I like the slight shimmer when the Tweed amps break up, but I dont need more than 50w, so I thougt that a Tweed single channel preamp with the later PI and
cathode biased 50w power amp with no FB, could be a good combination. And then omitting the cathode follower. That means just 2 preamp tubes and 2 power
tubes. And It would still be possible to implement a presence control.
... But maybe this is the wrong place to ask.
I have had very good results by omitting the cathode follower on a AC-15 kind of amp. Often you will have 1/2 of a tube idle, when you design amps, when you
dont do that.
I'll take the 59 all day long. I'd love to see this head to head with the Joe B signature amp
I'll take the 59&57 please. Both sound great. I lean toward the HP a little more for the sag it has. It's distortion has a bit more teeth to it as well. But, that 57 is nice to. I can't find anything bad to say about either. Well, except that I don't have either damnit!
The breakup of the Low Power is classic, squishier very pleasant. The HP has amazing definition clean but seems a little harsh overdriven?
Yes.
both are awesome. both share similar tone. i'd compare the '59 to say the high input of a plexi type amp and the '57 to the low input of the same amp.
+ddzanovski thanks
High power Twin (Stratocaster) 0:24 - 1:11 - 3:33 - 6:08
Low power Twin (Stratocaster) 0:30 - 1:43 - 3:52 - 5:26
Thanks! I appreciate it! Cheers
Unless you're playing in large venues, the hi-power is probably way too loud. I had a '70 silverface twin (pre-master volume) and in a club it was too loud with the volume on 3. After I blew the speakers I put in JBL D-120s and it was all over. That amp used to blow away Marshall stacks. Could never get a decent overdriven tone from it however...
+Mike Austin The high power here is 80watt, in the 1970s some of the versions were even 130W and the JBLs are much more efficient speakers than the Jensens, so I can imagine one or two surprised Marshall players ;-)
A high power tweed twin isn't anywhere near as loud as a 70s twin reverb. The power supply is much more limited.
How much is a 59 hi power selling for in 2017
I'll just have to take one of each. Where do I place my order?!!
+Nick B :-) Cheers
One of each please!
+Stan Esposito :-)
High power. Scary good.
Maybe with the high power I can get the sound that joe bonamassa is doing now.
How long they were when recorded?
+WilliamTanaka Hi William! I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question?
Both are awesome but I gotta crush on LP and the 59. Blackstar ht40 for sale 😉
I prefer the '59. I also like it a lot better than the 4x10 Bassman. I'm finding I prefer 12s for both guitar and bass.
I keep saying the same thing, then I play my '66 Super Reverb and I am in love with tens all over again!
dude's like zohan, "so, let's go" awesome vids tho guy
They both sound great......The 59 is cleaner. The 57 breaks up very nice. Is the 59- 40 watts, and the 57- 20 watts ?
+Tom Howland thanks, the 59 is actually 80watts and the 57 40watts
i didn't expect to say that but seems to prefer the high power one........ I have to plug to be sure..... Any trades?
+PureToneAmps :-) The HP was the easiest to play as well
Man that high power twin sounds glorious. Maybe even better than a bassman IMO.
+xMasterxRazorx Thanks, we're gonna compare it to a 59 Bassman in a couple of days :-)
I like the paul strat switch nice now only PRS people can complain. lol smoke and fire both sound great.
+bob bob Thanks :-)
Drool Worthy.
Love the HP Twin
+Brian Cullen Thanks Brian!
At 06:11 is when you get a free ear piercing! Man, to be in that room with the High Power Twin and your pick right on the bridge on the bridge pickup would be serious pain. Good thing you've got the ear protection. Nonetheless, glorious all around!
EXCELLENT!!!