There is actually a good reason to bind backward move. Which is when you're doing some tricky movement/platforming on some cliff or slope, when you need to drop from an edge of a platform/cliff straight down, or when you need precise positioning for whatever reason. It's very situational, but being able to move slowly when you want to can be useful.
I don’t like the idea of turning your back on enemies as a tank cause you got interrupts and taunts to nail so your boys don’t die. bar being one shot or stunned by something I’ll back pedal before I take my eyes of the boss/trash pack in dungeons. Raids are a different story cause you got co-tanks to bounce off
@@rivertam711 right, that's why tanks are the exeption for this rule, you just can tank properly and place enemies where you want if you don't backpedal
@Xachury Maybe you haven't noticed that in WOW moving backward is a lot slower than the other directions. Which minimizes your horizontal momentum while falling. This is especially helpful when you're on mount / in Druid cat form.
This helped me so much my mind goes blank when i get into battle with all the binds on my keyboard side of my naga etc. The way you lay it out helped me tremendously. The mouse binds are whats super hard for me to get down and remember. They just feel so foreign to click. Putting cooldowns potions etc there is so much better then how i had it.
Hello Hazel - Great starter guide for those new to keypads. I used an Orbweaver for WoWing for over three years. One tip for all players: order some Sugru, which is a moldable silicone rubber, and modify keys as you like. I've used Sugru on my mice, keyboards, footswitches and keypads for several years. I now use a Kinesis Advantage2 QP keyboard instead of a keypad, since the left keywell is even more ergonomic than either of the popular keypads, AND it gives me more keys (yes, even more than a keypad) that are rapidly reachable. The Kinesis solution frees up deskspace, but does require more time/planning/a techie brain to customize. But, the main point here is: Sugru is the gamer's best friend. By doing all this, I have totally eliminated having to bother with ctrl/alt/shift gyrations for ALL my spells. Milliseconds matter! Love your boss guides too!
@karl malone no the razer orb weaver is around 150 bucks. you can buy a razer naga for like 65 maybe 75. and most people already know how to use a mouse.
I like the Orbweaver because it let me uses my left hand. I recent destroyed my right thumb, and I don't fancy the idea of using my left pinky to use my mouse haha. So I had an Orbweaver I got a while ago (for when playing druid QQ). And it's a lifesaver.
obviosuly it's useful if you can' t use your right thumb. but i am saying if you can which is obviously what i mean. then the mouse is the better option, as it is cheaper and people are already used to a mouse.
Very cool. I love the way you use bartender to setup the keys for the Tartarus to be displayed on screen in the same grid! Ive just received my Tartarus so I’m going to use this setup. I don’t have a mouse with 12 thumb keys so instead I’m gonna setup my 2 thumb keys on mouse to bind to shift and the other to alt. That way I can then bind 36 commands to 12 buttons on my Tartarus! But thanks for giving me insight into how you use yours - will prove very useful!
I keep the 1 to = assignment of the action bar buttons, and set 1 - 12 to those keys on the Orbweaver. I set the upper thumb button to SHIFT, so I can hold that, hit a number, and move to a different action bar, then use 1-12 to do the action assigned in-game. As I am a resto druid in game, using healbot is easy with the Orbweaver: assign spells to the left, right and centre mouse buttons, then you have 3 options per mouse button with the previously-assigned SHIFT button, plus assigning CTRL to the lower thumb button. Like you, I have movement assigned to the 4-way pad, although I move a lot of the time by pressing both mouse buttons, allowing rejuvenation to be cast while moving.
Welp better late than never. You are such a doll. Thanks for creating this. I've been stuck in a rut with my game-pad, and its been collecting dust. Time to resurrect this relic.
I'm so confused, on F5 up arrow or 08 keybind is always W for me. Even when Dpad assignment W E Disable and Q. How did you get the F5 out of W which is forward? Thanks.
Back to wow after 8 years, your vids have helped me immensely, thank you.. Picked up my Razer Tartarus today and hopefully it will help me keep up a bit:)
One thing that might help is to map the auto-run to the back moving thumb-button instead of just leaving it empty. This can work well if you insist on keeping space bar on the bottom thumb button.
This is really cool to see that I am not the only person that totally ignores the default setup, though my setup is quite different from yours still. I do try to keep my in game toolbars in the various games I play, but I mouse move and use the pad for additional key binds.
I've used a gamepad for 5 years and will not go back to a keyboard. It makes WoW much more intuitive to play. Your strategy is Very similar to what I came up with. It's great to see someone made a video. Moving with the thumbstick is the best part because it frees up your fingers to press abilities. And you have it absolutely right, thumb left and right should be strafe not turn. I use backpeddle as well. Definitely situations where taking a step or two back is the right move. To people compaining about moving with the keyboard, you should be moving with both your mouse and your thumbstick based on the situation. Running and selecting a target? Move with thumbstick, select target with mouse. If you limit yourself to moving with the mouse, you're missing out. The thumb button below the stick I use for jump. Works well and functions exactly like space to jump. In this case you run forward with the mouse and jump with the thumb button. My upper left key is Esc. I find that to be somewhat essential. Generally I view the keypad as combat abilities only. I have a second grid of abilities, but those are Alt abilities. So you hit Alt and you suddenly have access to a whole second grid of abilities. Does present some challenges with self-casting (Alt being the self-cast modifier). Can be solved with self target macros or using raid frames to target spells (like to heal). The onscreen action bar grid is great as well and something I've been doing for a long time. You remap your keybindings by just dragging icons around on screen. Makes it very easy to play alternate specs or classes as well since everything is setup exactly the same.
I agree the number one benefit is being able you use your thumb to move. I never use right or left never have I find strife to be the way to go, if i need to turn I will use the mouse. I takes awhile to get used to this method but it makes moving seem more fluid. I am mainly a healer and use my modifiers with heal bot and I use a hybrid of mouse clicking and keypad for casting and key binds.
Best videos on Gaming gear out there! I got the G600 because a review you made and it is awesome! Best MMO Mouse i've ever had (yes I owned 2 Naga's before) Concidering buying the orbweaver now
Great guide and nice to see streamers using one (Swifty also). Thank you!! All my friends think I'm some kind of freak for using one. Been using a gamepad since 2008 back in Wrath and just can't play any other way now. Started on a Belkin N52, Razer Nostromo (had several), Razer Tartarus, Razer Orbweaver and currenly the G13. Logitech layout took a little to get used to, but I prefer it now. Build quality is "fine" for $60. Orbweaver seems "pricey" for $130, but the quality is really there and mechanical keys are amazing. Since Logitech stopped making the G13 I'll be going back to the Orbweaver. Not real happy about switching again, but it is what it is. To playing with a gamepad is just so efficient and it's a comfortable layout. Thanks Hazel!!
just got an orbweaver and you helped with everything..thank you :) As an added piece of info DO NOT use bar 7 if you are using a stealth class it will copy over your skills from your number 1 to 12 on your regular action bar straight to the new orbweaver bartender bar 7 so you will have 2 copies of your skills and abilities on both hands. Use bar 8 instead.
@hazelnuttygames how do you target enemies with this setup? I ended up binding one of the extra keys to tab so I could cycle targets but I’m curious if you have a better way.
thank you so much. Love the tutorial. Subbed the M key for tab to help me target. Was just wondering how you target with your set up. I am still reasonably new to WoW and wasn't sure how you work around that. Have set up my Orb and Naga...feels great. Now I need to practice!
I play the same way as you hazel, when i buy my logitech mouse my wow change a lot :D i use a pretty similar mapping to yours. 1-12 for damage skills, and in my keyboard 1-4 for stuns, silences and interrumps. Great video :D
Holy shit this is absolutely brilliant! I was on the fence wether I wanted to get a Keypad (Tartarus v2) and this video has just convinved me to do it lol I never even thought to use the keypad like this, with the F keys in the middle and matching bars ingame even though I did the exact same thing with my Naga (and later G600) for years! So with your setup the Keypad could basically become like a second Naga / G600, which is my most beloved and used tool! (And heck it would even be a better Naga with the additional buttons lol) So, thank you for this.
I do this differently (more complicated) but this is worth thinking about. Thanks very much for this video. Wish I'd have found it earlier. =) coming back to shadowlands this is very helpful. I did remove A & D but I use my hat buttons for F1 - F4. Then I use Shift and ALT like you do, with the thumb button for CTRL. You have a great layout. I might have to try switching to yours.
Can you update on this? I just got my first keypad and am having trouble adjusting to it, seems a lot more convenient than my keyboard setup specially with the thumb stick, but there are still so many things that don't seem to work.
I don't know how this ended up in my feed but I remember watching this years ago my old account when I was still playing WoW and I remember that I went and bought a Razer game pad because of you and it made a huge difference in my raid/m+ performance as a Resto Druid main during Legion. Those were some great times. I think I'm coming back for The War Within.
This is so helpful. I've been looking at an orbweaver for a while but I was intimidated by it. I'm going to pick one up now. I think it will help me a lot with pvp!
This is great. I don't understand the not back-peddling tho.... I guess maybe on some classes it has no use but at least on Hunter, you can cast and move at the same time, but only if you are facing your target. So i personally back-peddle quite often in raids to just slightly get out of some debuff under me while still engaging in the fight. I do like Gamepads though but have never used one for WoW. Maybe i will try it out.
I backpeddle very often. To avoid fire (despite it's buff), to quick cancel a spell, and sometimes to LoS mobs as I slowly walk back behind a tree/rock/wall.
Strafe is still better in all those situations, you move much faster than back pedalling and can still face your target. The only place back pedalling makes sense is when tanking so mobs don't hit you in the ass as you reposition. For that reason I still have it bound.
I know you put this here a year ago but she didn't keybind that button and left it open so there's nothing stopping you from putting s there anyway and you can still follow the guide as is.
Might try this for my new corsair mouse and v2 Razer keypad, just to test stuff out as is most simple way of setting up iv seen so far. I might need to have two setups though one for home and one for work coz can't use keypad as work. :D Cheers.
hm. Ive been going back and forth on getting a game pad. Last Razer product I bought was a mouse and it didnt work at all, and customer support was a hassle so I ended up just tossing it and calling it a loss, so I most likely will go logitech if I buy one. Thanks for the breakdown, I appreciate it.
I don't have that keypad but I usually bind keys so they are close to qwe which I use to move. Then 12345 for main spammable skills leaving my 5 for the interrupt which is not something you spam but you still need it at hand. Then ASDRTFG for the rest leaving important cooldowns on the T or G and important skill like a shield on the F. I then use ALT for the movement skills or slows/roots and other cooldowns I don't need that often like bloodlust and finally I put my defensive skills like medallion, barkskin and maybe a pvp talent on F1 to F5. I do have a gamer mouse but it only has a couple of buttons which I never got used to, and I normally use them to set up my auto mount or the special ability button. I also use zxcv to access the stance bar and sometimes I use backpedal on ranged specially healers where you need to go back while having line of sight to keep healing so I have character specific bindings with the s as backpedal and replace that button with the | (straight slash before the 1 key).
thanks for this! I just bought the orbweaver. After 10 years off playing as a hybrid clicker I had to do something...atm it feels clunky as ****, but I assume after a week I'll get used to the new bindings. It also helped that my main is shadow :) For healing I bound everthing to mouse/shift/alt/ctrl. I assume there is no need to adjust my healing playstyle?
Started learning today and it feels so weird not knowing how to play anymore. Well, hopefully soon the fingers will grow accustomed to their new movement patterns. But I can already see how this will make everything smoother when it gets a bit more comfortable. Thanks for the tips!
Too Cute To Poot I disagree. You can play for longer using a keypad and MMO mouse because your body is in a more natural position. The thumbpad means that you are using a thumb for movement, which frees up 3 fingers to press action buttons at the same time. It's not a good idea to click on action buttons because PvPers like to circle you so you can't target them.
So to start out - you are my fave WoW YTer. Second, my husband got me this for Christmas, and I'm so happy to have found that you also use it, so it makes mapping this to WoW significantly easier. Thank you for this video! :D
Great vid for anybody starting out with these sorts of peripherals! I've been wondering if anybody else played with a pad like this. I have a Razer Tartarus with 15 keys, and did a very similar setup, but instead of putting the modifier keys on the Tartarus, I set up one button on my programmable mouse to Space for jumping and another to Alt, then set up 2 different Bartender bars: 1 for the non-modified 1 through = keys, then one for Alt + 1 through =.
Brilliant. I've now figured out how to setup my Tartarus and have been killing mobs much quicker than I was and no shoulder aches like I get from a keyboard :-)
Thank you so much for making this! I'm so glad I stumbled on this. I've had a Logitech g600 for ages, but I'm planning to get an orbweaver next week. I think it's funny that you talk about the g600, because up until that point when I was watching the video, I was thinking about how awesome this video was, but was wondering how difficult it would be to apply it to my setup since I have the g600. Imagine my pleasant surprise when your very next section went into it! Thank you for the advice. Having this setup is going to be loads of fun when wow classic hits!
Sadly, after 15 years of faithful service in both WoW and Rift my Logitech G13 has recently passed into the annals of history. I've had to bite the Saronite Razorhead and purchase a Razor Tartarus V2 as a replacement because Logitech, Stupidly IMHO, did not make a replacement for the G13.
i might eventually get one of these. I am constantly upset by only having 12 buttons on my mouse, and then having to move my hands all over the keyboard for other stuff, my brain can't do it, I'm too 'slow' and my ADHD just makes me nope out when a class has more 'required' abilities then 12. but if I could do it without moving my hand, just my fingers, like with the mouse, it would be so much easier.
Is it possible to adequately mimic mouse movement with the D pad? I currently use the Left Handed Naga 2014 mouse and only the mouse to play. I have to play one handed and it has to be my left hand because reasons. I'm looking for a replacement for the Naga because it is 6 yrs old and starting to die and it is no longer available for purchase.
REALLY wish I could find a G13 at a half reasonable price. Looks like Logitech discontinued it, and I really like that thumb stick compared to the orbweavers.
I use a Tartarus Pro (previously I used a Belkin N15te). I map 1-12 on 1-4, 6-9, and 11-14). Then I map control keys to my thumb button (shift-up, Alt-back, ctrl-down) so I have 36 different keybinds. But that's not all; I then map 15 to a profile toggle so I can use that as another modifer key (Typically I use this to access map, bags, and other non-combat things). Finally, the Tartarus gives me another set up buttons at the bottons that I map to F5-F8 (I don't use f4 because alt-f4 is real, and it happens quite often if I use F4 on those buttons). I use buttons on my mouse to straife, autorun, and back-peddle (when I tank).
holy this is old but I came across this vid today. I have a serious question, because you move with your left thumb how do you move jump with that jump key bind there
`,1,2,3,4,5,q,w,e,r,t,f,g,z,x,c is already 16 keys, thats 48 keybinds with only shift and ctrl and you have alt modifier left over for things like arena 123 on say alt+123, alt+qwe, alt+zxc. these pads are so not worth it. i use asd for movement and s is forward. i also have a mouse with 16 thumb buttons. if youre going to spend money buy a mouse not a game pad
I LOVE the Orbweaver... except for the shit glue they use to attach the palm rest and the fact I have to glue the whole unit to my desk to stop it moving. The G13 was better in that it was heavier, but you just NEED the mechanical keys of the Orbweaver. Where you stick B, I have that as my Discord PPT key. The paddle I use for Mounting. I use this in concert with a multi button mouse for so many binds I don't need any modifier keys. For anyone thinking about using one of these, give it TIME to sink in to your muscle memory. Just start a new toon and level it. That's the best way to give your fingers time to adjust to the skills coming in at a manageable rate.
been playing with a game pad similarly since 2003. ;) i bind 1-12, use a modifier on the razer to toggle to F1-12, then i have a shift modifier on my mouse i can toggle with my right hand to allow for shift 1-12 and shift f1-f12 for 12x4 keybinds total. i also use other modifier buttons on my mouse to allow me to target @ party 1-4 and self when healing so I never have to mouse over heal in dungeons and similarly for arena. best way to play hands down. also once you master it, easy to apply to any game's bindings
Rob Anderson That’s why I use ‘1’ through ‘=‘ on my Bartender and Orbweaver. I have Bartender switch bars when I hold Shift or Alt or Ctrl so that I can map 4 bars worth of buttons to the Orbweaver, and I don’t ever Alt-F4.
hi! i watch all videos to help me out with raids..i was wondering if you have idea how to use the orbweaver if you have a broken right hand and cant use a mouse....asking for a friend xD
Hi, I use the same mouse and love it. What’s the story of why you use a game pad? I feel happy with my keyboard and key binds spread between it and my mouse. However, I’m still curious about your reasons to use a game pad.
Do you have an update to this video or is it still valid? I'm going to move to a gamepad, but I'm looking for current ideas for products and bindings. Thanks!
so i decided to pick on up and im sad to say that it really didnt do much for me compared to my keyboard realistically all you need for wow its 1-4 and your easy to reach alpha keys and your modifiers i found training my thumb for movement made it to confusing. i also noticed that the keys are slightly all different on the keypads non of them really feel the same and alot of times i would misclick the wrong ability cause spacing issues and springs being weak. while i do think these are cool and fill a niche to certain people i feel as is most people will just benifit from using a mouse with 10 to 18 buttons and learning to hit cvbnm and space with your thumb and just having modifier buttons for things. i also think hand sizing has alot to do with these the way that i type and lay my hands feels unnatural on the orbweaver. i still think people if they want should give these a try but in my eyes and experience they just fall in quality
this is pretty similar to the setup ive been using for years, with the exception that i have shift/ctrl on the orbweaver and alt on one of my naga buttons....like she said. the only reason i touch my keyboard is to type.
If you have a Scimitar, Naga, Or G600, the two buttons behind your mouse wheel could be used for cycling targets back and forth. It's what I've seen friends do.
so normally, i hate watching girls videos because there so much unnecessary bullshit all the time - but there was none in this one :O it was just entirely on topic and straight to the point, nothing more nothing less. awesome
awesome video, i've been thikning of getting the orbweaver/tartarus sicne i alreayd have the g600. Also: WOW how do you hit buttons liek g15 and g18, they're not bound AT ALL cuz i just simply CANNOT get myself to hit them without being really uncomfortable.
I appreciate the time and effort you put into making the video and sharing your settings with others but there are some flaws: Using the thumbstick for movement is OK but it negates your ability to use jump while moving if you have the thumb paddle mapped to jump. Which you should because it's a natural location for it. Speaking of which you remap the thumb paddle on the side to a pointless map button. Just press M. Moving backwards is useful when you get stuck in the geometry of the game. Then you waste a button for autorun; use your mouse scroll wheel click for auto run. Pros: Use Bartender4 and build your layout based on your Orbweaver layout. What you missed: Set the RGB color of the Orbweaver buttons to the functions of your actions/spells/abilities. This makes it easier to learn your new setup when playing. I try to match the colors to the icon colors but do what you works best for you. Set up multiple profiles in the Synapse software based on character types and create matching Bartender4 profiles. Make sure you export your profiles because the Synapse software has a nasty habit of deleting setups when updating and the cloud save rarely helps restore them.
I'm still waiting for them to make a one for left handed people. You know, one that goes in the right hand so the mouse can remain comfortable in my left hand so I can finally ditch the number pad for keybinds.
Thank you I will def start with this. I am a new game pad user and WoW player. I just built my Pc and always wanted to play WoW and specifically on the Razer Tartarus Pro. I also have the Naga pro to assign 1-12. Thanks again
Ty for making this video. Even tho its 3 years old, It's still viable for the tartarus v2 and pro. Do you still use a gamepad for wow? I just got the tartarus due to wrist issues, and I would really love to learn to use the gamepad
It’s easier to bind the button above the dpad to ALT or a CTRL bind. Hell if you’re looking at the map or bag your not pvping so no need for that bind!
I just picked up a Tartarus V2, oh boy this is going to take some getting used to. And the palm rest is really crappy, it isn't adjustable, except for moving it a half inch back
Hans Yolo just got my Tartarus v2 in the mail today! Haha. I was playing through drustvar this evening and man it’s strange for wow, but when I booted up GW2 it was like a glove and playing a different game. I can absolutely see the pros to these. WoW will take some getting used to. Still trying to figure out the perfect layout. Movement on the thumb stick seems strange. What are you running?
yup! lol alt+f4'd my ass once and instantly switched it to shift and control lol apparently you can disable alt+f4 in razer synapse but im not even gonna bother
There is actually a good reason to bind backward move. Which is when you're doing some tricky movement/platforming on some cliff or slope, when you need to drop from an edge of a platform/cliff straight down, or when you need precise positioning for whatever reason. It's very situational, but being able to move slowly when you want to can be useful.
I don’t like the idea of turning your back on enemies as a tank cause you got interrupts and taunts to nail so your boys don’t die. bar being one shot or stunned by something I’ll back pedal before I take my eyes of the boss/trash pack in dungeons. Raids are a different story cause you got co-tanks to bounce off
@@rivertam711 right, that's why tanks are the exeption for this rule, you just can tank properly and place enemies where you want if you don't backpedal
@Xachury Maybe you haven't noticed that in WOW moving backward is a lot slower than the other directions. Which minimizes your horizontal momentum while falling.
This is especially helpful when you're on mount / in Druid cat form.
This helped me so much my mind goes blank when i get into battle with all the binds on my keyboard side of my naga etc. The way you lay it out helped me tremendously. The mouse binds are whats super hard for me to get down and remember. They just feel so foreign to click. Putting cooldowns potions etc there is so much better then how i had it.
Hello Hazel - Great starter guide for those new to keypads. I used an Orbweaver for WoWing for over three years. One tip for all players: order some Sugru, which is a moldable silicone rubber, and modify keys as you like. I've used Sugru on my mice, keyboards, footswitches and keypads for several years. I now use a Kinesis Advantage2 QP keyboard instead of a keypad, since the left keywell is even more ergonomic than either of the popular keypads, AND it gives me more keys (yes, even more than a keypad) that are rapidly reachable. The Kinesis solution frees up deskspace, but does require more time/planning/a techie brain to customize. But, the main point here is: Sugru is the gamer's best friend. By doing all this, I have totally eliminated having to bother with ctrl/alt/shift gyrations for ALL my spells. Milliseconds matter! Love your boss guides too!
Can you do a video of how you actually play with the keypad and point the camera to your hands ?
see, you start by putting 1 hand on the orbweaver. and the other free hand on the mouse of your choice. and play.
and there you have it
dude just get a gaming mouse with a thumb grid. the learning curve is so much easier. and it literally has the same amount of key binds.
@karl malone no the razer orb weaver is around 150 bucks. you can buy a razer naga for like 65 maybe 75. and most people already know how to use a mouse.
I like the Orbweaver because it let me uses my left hand. I recent destroyed my right thumb, and I don't fancy the idea of using my left pinky to use my mouse haha. So I had an Orbweaver I got a while ago (for when playing druid QQ). And it's a lifesaver.
obviosuly it's useful if you can' t use your right thumb. but i am saying if you can which is obviously what i mean. then the mouse is the better option, as it is cheaper and people are already used to a mouse.
Very cool. I love the way you use bartender to setup the keys for the Tartarus to be displayed on screen in the same grid! Ive just received my Tartarus so I’m going to use this setup. I don’t have a mouse with 12 thumb keys so instead I’m gonna setup my 2 thumb keys on mouse to bind to shift and the other to alt. That way I can then bind 36 commands to 12 buttons on my Tartarus! But thanks for giving me insight into how you use yours - will prove very useful!
I keep the 1 to = assignment of the action bar buttons, and set 1 - 12 to those keys on the Orbweaver. I set the upper thumb button to SHIFT, so I can hold that, hit a number, and move to a different action bar, then use 1-12 to do the action assigned in-game. As I am a resto druid in game, using healbot is easy with the Orbweaver: assign spells to the left, right and centre mouse buttons, then you have 3 options per mouse button with the previously-assigned SHIFT button, plus assigning CTRL to the lower thumb button. Like you, I have movement assigned to the 4-way pad, although I move a lot of the time by pressing both mouse buttons, allowing rejuvenation to be cast while moving.
I used to have F4 bound, but it turned out to be a problem when I had a heal spell there and the game kept closing when trying to heal myself :)
Petr Nedoma lol
Razer synapse should have game mode which turns that off if you toggle it
Oh no lol
Welp better late than never. You are such a doll. Thanks for creating this. I've been stuck in a rut with my game-pad, and its been collecting dust. Time to resurrect this relic.
I have mine set up the same way after I watched this video when I first got my orbwewver a few years ago
I'm so confused, on F5 up arrow or 08 keybind is always W for me. Even when Dpad assignment W E Disable and Q. How did you get the F5 out of W which is forward? Thanks.
Back to wow after 8 years, your vids have helped me immensely, thank you.. Picked up my Razer Tartarus today and hopefully it will help me keep up a bit:)
No reason to backpedal.... except when tanking and positioning mobs
One thing that might help is to map the auto-run to the back moving thumb-button instead of just leaving it empty. This can work well if you insist on keeping space bar on the bottom thumb button.
This is really cool to see that I am not the only person that totally ignores the default setup, though my setup is quite different from yours still. I do try to keep my in game toolbars in the various games I play, but I mouse move and use the pad for additional key binds.
I've used a gamepad for 5 years and will not go back to a keyboard. It makes WoW much more intuitive to play. Your strategy is Very similar to what I came up with. It's great to see someone made a video. Moving with the thumbstick is the best part because it frees up your fingers to press abilities. And you have it absolutely right, thumb left and right should be strafe not turn. I use backpeddle as well. Definitely situations where taking a step or two back is the right move. To people compaining about moving with the keyboard, you should be moving with both your mouse and your thumbstick based on the situation. Running and selecting a target? Move with thumbstick, select target with mouse. If you limit yourself to moving with the mouse, you're missing out. The thumb button below the stick I use for jump. Works well and functions exactly like space to jump. In this case you run forward with the mouse and jump with the thumb button.
My upper left key is Esc. I find that to be somewhat essential. Generally I view the keypad as combat abilities only.
I have a second grid of abilities, but those are Alt abilities. So you hit Alt and you suddenly have access to a whole second grid of abilities. Does present some challenges with self-casting (Alt being the self-cast modifier). Can be solved with self target macros or using raid frames to target spells (like to heal).
The onscreen action bar grid is great as well and something I've been doing for a long time. You remap your keybindings by just dragging icons around on screen. Makes it very easy to play alternate specs or classes as well since everything is setup exactly the same.
I agree the number one benefit is being able you use your thumb to move. I never use right or left never have I find strife to be the way to go, if i need to turn I will use the mouse. I takes awhile to get used to this method but it makes moving seem more fluid. I am mainly a healer and use my modifiers with heal bot and I use a hybrid of mouse clicking and keypad for casting and key binds.
And as a instant cast based healer I use back peddle far to often.
@@michaelbevan6488 Just got mine in the mail today. How do I keybind strafe to the thumb pad?
@@clintmccabe6904 Use the software provided and record whatever keyboard key you use to strife ussualy Q and E
@@michaelbevan6488 Not sure I understand how to record. Is there anywhere I can find a how-to on this thing?
Best videos on Gaming gear out there! I got the G600 because a review you made and it is awesome! Best MMO Mouse i've ever had (yes I owned 2 Naga's before)
Concidering buying the orbweaver now
Great guide and nice to see streamers using one (Swifty also). Thank you!! All my friends think I'm some kind of freak for using one.
Been using a gamepad since 2008 back in Wrath and just can't play any other way now. Started on a Belkin N52, Razer Nostromo (had several), Razer Tartarus, Razer Orbweaver and currenly the G13. Logitech layout took a little to get used to, but I prefer it now. Build quality is "fine" for $60. Orbweaver seems "pricey" for $130, but the quality is really there and mechanical keys are amazing. Since Logitech stopped making the G13 I'll be going back to the Orbweaver. Not real happy about switching again, but it is what it is.
To playing with a gamepad is just so efficient and it's a comfortable layout. Thanks Hazel!!
just got an orbweaver and you helped with everything..thank you :)
As an added piece of info DO NOT use bar 7 if you are using a stealth class it will copy over your skills from your number 1 to 12 on your regular action bar straight to the new orbweaver bartender bar 7 so you will have 2 copies of your skills and abilities on both hands.
Use bar 8 instead.
been thinking about trying a gamepad for a while now and this was helpful! Thanks!
@hazelnuttygames how do you target enemies with this setup? I ended up binding one of the extra keys to tab so I could cycle targets but I’m curious if you have a better way.
I'm also curious :)
thank you so much. Love the tutorial. Subbed the M key for tab to help me target. Was just wondering how you target with your set up. I am still reasonably new to WoW and wasn't sure how you work around that. Have set up my Orb and Naga...feels great. Now I need to practice!
I play the same way as you hazel, when i buy my logitech mouse my wow change a lot :D
i use a pretty similar mapping to yours. 1-12 for damage skills, and in my keyboard 1-4 for stuns, silences and interrumps.
Great video :D
Holy shit this is absolutely brilliant! I was on the fence wether I wanted to get a Keypad (Tartarus v2) and this video has just convinved me to do it lol
I never even thought to use the keypad like this, with the F keys in the middle and matching bars ingame even though I did the exact same thing with my Naga (and later G600) for years! So with your setup the Keypad could basically become like a second Naga / G600, which is my most beloved and used tool! (And heck it would even be a better Naga with the additional buttons lol) So, thank you for this.
I do this differently (more complicated) but this is worth thinking about. Thanks very much for this video. Wish I'd have found it earlier. =) coming back to shadowlands this is very helpful. I did remove A & D but I use my hat buttons for F1 - F4. Then I use Shift and ALT like you do, with the thumb button for CTRL. You have a great layout. I might have to try switching to yours.
You might need to jump backwards, especially if you're a tank, so binding the back key is essential.
Can you update on this? I just got my first keypad and am having trouble adjusting to it, seems a lot more convenient than my keyboard setup specially with the thumb stick, but there are still so many things that don't seem to work.
I don't know how this ended up in my feed but I remember watching this years ago my old account when I was still playing WoW and I remember that I went and bought a Razer game pad because of you and it made a huge difference in my raid/m+ performance as a Resto Druid main during Legion. Those were some great times. I think I'm coming back for The War Within.
This is so helpful. I've been looking at an orbweaver for a while but I was intimidated by it. I'm going to pick one up now. I think it will help me a lot with pvp!
This is great, I just recieved my Razer Tartarus Pro and had no idea how to set up my Pali rotations etc. This is extremely helpful! Thanks!
How did you get the joystick / dpad to remap to WSAD? EDIT: NVM worked it out...
Wow that’s pretty smart thank you your always so helpfull with mechanics and now key bindings thank you
Why would you need this? you can just click your abilities and use the arrow keys to move!
thats.. how i tank......
Clicking is very inefficient.. once you go keybinds you never go back.
I wouldn't call it very ...
If you cannot click spell 20 times while on cooldown it is not inefficient.
Ooh there is pver how cute isnt it?
This is great. I don't understand the not back-peddling tho.... I guess maybe on some classes it has no use but at least on Hunter, you can cast and move at the same time, but only if you are facing your target. So i personally back-peddle quite often in raids to just slightly get out of some debuff under me while still engaging in the fight. I do like Gamepads though but have never used one for WoW. Maybe i will try it out.
I backpeddle very often. To avoid fire (despite it's buff), to quick cancel a spell, and sometimes to LoS mobs as I slowly walk back behind a tree/rock/wall.
Strafe is still better in all those situations, you move much faster than back pedalling and can still face your target. The only place back pedalling makes sense is when tanking so mobs don't hit you in the ass as you reposition. For that reason I still have it bound.
I know you put this here a year ago but she didn't keybind that button and left it open so there's nothing stopping you from putting s there anyway and you can still follow the guide as is.
Might try this for my new corsair mouse and v2 Razer keypad, just to test stuff out as is most simple way of setting up iv seen so far. I might need to have two setups though one for home and one for work coz can't use keypad as work. :D Cheers.
I need this in my life.
I've been thinking about getting one of these since wrath, still haven't pulled the trigger on one yet.
don't dude they are not worth, it's the same thing as a thumb grid on a mouse. but the thumb grid has less learning curve.
@@demonpride1975 yeah i learnt this the hard way
hm. Ive been going back and forth on getting a game pad. Last Razer product I bought was a mouse and it didnt work at all, and customer support was a hassle so I ended up just tossing it and calling it a loss, so I most likely will go logitech if I buy one. Thanks for the breakdown, I appreciate it.
That was a nice video! Tho I'd say that it'd rather add Tab to one of the side buttons to change targets, instead of the bag button for example
I don't have that keypad but I usually bind keys so they are close to qwe which I use to move. Then 12345 for main spammable skills leaving my 5 for the interrupt which is not something you spam but you still need it at hand. Then ASDRTFG for the rest leaving important cooldowns on the T or G and important skill like a shield on the F. I then use ALT for the movement skills or slows/roots and other cooldowns I don't need that often like bloodlust and finally I put my defensive skills like medallion, barkskin and maybe a pvp talent on F1 to F5. I do have a gamer mouse but it only has a couple of buttons which I never got used to, and I normally use them to set up my auto mount or the special ability button. I also use zxcv to access the stance bar and sometimes I use backpedal on ranged specially healers where you need to go back while having line of sight to keep healing so I have character specific bindings with the s as backpedal and replace that button with the | (straight slash before the 1 key).
thanks for this! I just bought the orbweaver. After 10 years off playing as a hybrid clicker I had to do something...atm it feels clunky as ****, but I assume after a week I'll get used to the new bindings. It also helped that my main is shadow :) For healing I bound everthing to mouse/shift/alt/ctrl. I assume there is no need to adjust my healing playstyle?
Note to self. Remember to unbind alt-f4 from closing the app before attempting this again.
Omg omg I didn’t know you had a g600 I always tell everyone to pick up this mouse it’s the best imo and all the buttons and the g shift key Kreygasm
ive had my Orbweaver since 2012, and it still works and i love it, i honestly think its the best piece of gaming gear ive ever bought :)
awesome, love it. been thinking of getting a gamepad, and you may have just convinced me...
Damn I must have short fingers, because when Ive the gamepad set to its shortest span, i can only reach F4-F12 in a confy manner, haha
This video was SO helpful
Started learning today and it feels so weird not knowing how to play anymore. Well, hopefully soon the fingers will grow accustomed to their new movement patterns. But I can already see how this will make everything smoother when it gets a bit more comfortable. Thanks for the tips!
a gaming mouse with a thumb grid is so much more useful then this trash.
demonpride1975 The idea is to use both a keypad and an MMO mouse
Too Cute To Poot I disagree. You can play for longer using a keypad and MMO mouse because your body is in a more natural position. The thumbpad means that you are using a thumb for movement, which frees up 3 fingers to press action buttons at the same time. It's not a good idea to click on action buttons because PvPers like to circle you so you can't target them.
So to start out - you are my fave WoW YTer. Second, my husband got me this for Christmas, and I'm so happy to have found that you also use it, so it makes mapping this to WoW significantly easier. Thank you for this video! :D
Great vid for anybody starting out with these sorts of peripherals! I've been wondering if anybody else played with a pad like this. I have a Razer Tartarus with 15 keys, and did a very similar setup, but instead of putting the modifier keys on the Tartarus, I set up one button on my programmable mouse to Space for jumping and another to Alt, then set up 2 different Bartender bars: 1 for the non-modified 1 through = keys, then one for Alt + 1 through =.
Brilliant. I've now figured out how to setup my Tartarus and have been killing mobs much quicker than I was and no shoulder aches like I get from a keyboard :-)
Thank you so much for making this! I'm so glad I stumbled on this.
I've had a Logitech g600 for ages, but I'm planning to get an orbweaver next week.
I think it's funny that you talk about the g600, because up until that point when I was watching the video, I was thinking about how awesome this video was, but was wondering how difficult it would be to apply it to my setup since I have the g600. Imagine my pleasant surprise when your very next section went into it!
Thank you for the advice. Having this setup is going to be loads of fun when wow classic hits!
Sadly, after 15 years of faithful service in both WoW and Rift my Logitech G13 has recently passed into the annals of history. I've had to bite the Saronite Razorhead and purchase a Razor Tartarus V2 as a replacement because Logitech, Stupidly IMHO, did not make a replacement for the G13.
i might eventually get one of these. I am constantly upset by only having 12 buttons on my mouse, and then having to move my hands all over the keyboard for other stuff, my brain can't do it, I'm too 'slow' and my ADHD just makes me nope out when a class has more 'required' abilities then 12. but if I could do it without moving my hand, just my fingers, like with the mouse, it would be so much easier.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO
Great vid! just got an orbweaver and this really help me with WoW
Is it possible to adequately mimic mouse movement with the D pad? I currently use the Left Handed Naga 2014 mouse and only the mouse to play. I have to play one handed and it has to be my left hand because reasons. I'm looking for a replacement for the Naga because it is 6 yrs old and starting to die and it is no longer available for purchase.
REALLY wish I could find a G13 at a half reasonable price. Looks like Logitech discontinued it, and I really like that thumb stick compared to the orbweavers.
I actually like having F1-5 for selection so i can heal groups with one hand while drinking my coffee.
I can't believe it! You rock! I knew you had a video about keypad but I wasnt sure I will do that thanks 👍👍👍👍👍
I use a Tartarus Pro (previously I used a Belkin N15te). I map 1-12 on 1-4, 6-9, and 11-14). Then I map control keys to my thumb button (shift-up, Alt-back, ctrl-down) so I have 36 different keybinds. But that's not all; I then map 15 to a profile toggle so I can use that as another modifer key (Typically I use this to access map, bags, and other non-combat things). Finally, the Tartarus gives me another set up buttons at the bottons that I map to F5-F8 (I don't use f4 because alt-f4 is real, and it happens quite often if I use F4 on those buttons). I use buttons on my mouse to straife, autorun, and back-peddle (when I tank).
This was insanely helpful.
holy this is old but I came across this vid today. I have a serious question, because you move with your left thumb how do you move jump with that jump key bind there
`,1,2,3,4,5,q,w,e,r,t,f,g,z,x,c is already 16 keys, thats 48 keybinds with only shift and ctrl and you have alt modifier left over for things like arena 123 on say alt+123, alt+qwe, alt+zxc. these pads are so not worth it. i use asd for movement and s is forward. i also have a mouse with 16 thumb buttons. if youre going to spend money buy a mouse not a game pad
I LOVE the Orbweaver... except for the shit glue they use to attach the palm rest and the fact I have to glue the whole unit to my desk to stop it moving. The G13 was better in that it was heavier, but you just NEED the mechanical keys of the Orbweaver. Where you stick B, I have that as my Discord PPT key. The paddle I use for Mounting. I use this in concert with a multi button mouse for so many binds I don't need any modifier keys. For anyone thinking about using one of these, give it TIME to sink in to your muscle memory. Just start a new toon and level it. That's the best way to give your fingers time to adjust to the skills coming in at a manageable rate.
been playing with a game pad similarly since 2003. ;) i bind 1-12, use a modifier on the razer to toggle to F1-12, then i have a shift modifier on my mouse i can toggle with my right hand to allow for shift 1-12 and shift f1-f12 for 12x4 keybinds total. i also use other modifier buttons on my mouse to allow me to target @ party 1-4 and self when healing so I never have to mouse over heal in dungeons and similarly for arena. best way to play hands down. also once you master it, easy to apply to any game's bindings
I could never get used to using the joystick for movement, I play with a naga and an orbweaver so I have plenty of buttons lol
Wow, I've tried to use a gamepad and it never really made more sense to me, but using the dpad for movement just blew my mind.
I remmember when they made a guide to WoTLK ICC heroic BEST TIMES EVER
Okay, be honest. How many time have you accidentally alt+F4'ed?
Rob Anderson That’s why I use ‘1’ through ‘=‘ on my Bartender and Orbweaver. I have Bartender switch bars when I hold Shift or Alt or Ctrl so that I can map 4 bars worth of buttons to the Orbweaver, and I don’t ever Alt-F4.
My mount is set to alt+f1 been that way for years, and I'm still paranoid about closing the game but I never have.
every raid
I sometimes bind the | key which is close to the tab key so sometimes I just minimize the game on crucial moments...
hi! i watch all videos to help me out with raids..i was wondering if you have idea how to use the orbweaver if you have a broken right hand and cant use a mouse....asking for a friend xD
Hi, I use the same mouse and love it. What’s the story of why you use a game pad? I feel happy with my keyboard and key binds spread between it and my mouse. However, I’m still curious about your reasons to use a game pad.
Great advice on keybinds…not a WoW player but I’ll apply this to FFxiv. WoW graphics and character design is so ugly in comparison…
Do you have an update to this video or is it still valid? I'm going to move to a gamepad, but I'm looking for current ideas for products and bindings. Thanks!
so i decided to pick on up and im sad to say that it really didnt do much for me compared to my keyboard realistically all you need for wow its 1-4 and your easy to reach alpha keys and your modifiers i found training my thumb for movement made it to confusing. i also noticed that the keys are slightly all different on the keypads non of them really feel the same and alot of times i would misclick the wrong ability cause spacing issues and springs being weak. while i do think these are cool and fill a niche to certain people i feel as is most people will just benifit from using a mouse with 10 to 18 buttons and learning to hit cvbnm and space with your thumb and just having modifier buttons for things. i also think hand sizing has alot to do with these the way that i type and lay my hands feels unnatural on the orbweaver. i still think people if they want should give these a try but in my eyes and experience they just fall in quality
this is pretty similar to the setup ive been using for years, with the exception that i have shift/ctrl on the orbweaver and alt on one of my naga buttons....like she said. the only reason i touch my keyboard is to type.
I've heard that they stopped producing the orbweaver, does that mean that you can still buy one online and the software will work?
You know what.... you have amazing videos with really easy-to-follow style. I'm glad I found you. Keep up the awesome work!
How do you move forward and jump at the same time?
I know its an old vid, really need help. Do you use tab targeting? Where do you keybind tab? I'm lost
Super useful, I just bought one and was wondering where to start but this works like a charm.
I JUSS GOT ONE OF THESE!!
Hazel do you use the tab key to cycle from enemy to enemy? How do you switch targets ? Especially in a dungeon
If you have a Scimitar, Naga, Or G600, the two buttons behind your mouse wheel could be used for cycling targets back and forth. It's what I've seen friends do.
so normally, i hate watching girls videos because there so much unnecessary bullshit all the time - but there was none in this one :O
it was just entirely on topic and straight to the point, nothing more nothing less. awesome
Don't know if you'll see this since the vid is 2 years old, but you have alt and f4 bound, how do you not cause that closing?
I watch a lot of wow channels Hazel but you are the most helpful. This is great!
i just want to point out that using Alt as one of your mod buttons will then give you the potential to accidently Alt+F4...... so be careful....
In razer synapse you can deactivate alt+f4
Do you still play with a game pad or do you use a keyboard now? Just curious if it is something that you still use two years later.
What about targeting with tab? It’s a pain in the ass to have to mouse click specially when theirs a lot of people!
Hey! I’ve kind of made the mistake of starting to use a Naga and a Tartarus at the same time. I think I may have made a mistake…
awesome video, i've been thikning of getting the orbweaver/tartarus sicne i alreayd have the g600. Also: WOW how do you hit buttons liek g15 and g18, they're not bound AT ALL cuz i just simply CANNOT get myself to hit them without being really uncomfortable.
Since it's razer how soon do you need to replace it because one of the buttons double clicks or doesn't work ?
The idea of using the joystick is neat but man... I don't think I can do that.
I appreciate the time and effort you put into making the video and sharing your settings with others but there are some flaws:
Using the thumbstick for movement is OK but it negates your ability to use jump while moving if you have the thumb paddle mapped to jump. Which you should because it's a natural location for it.
Speaking of which you remap the thumb paddle on the side to a pointless map button. Just press M.
Moving backwards is useful when you get stuck in the geometry of the game.
Then you waste a button for autorun; use your mouse scroll wheel click for auto run.
Pros:
Use Bartender4 and build your layout based on your Orbweaver layout.
What you missed:
Set the RGB color of the Orbweaver buttons to the functions of your actions/spells/abilities. This makes it easier to learn your new setup when playing. I try to match the colors to the icon colors but do what you works best for you.
Set up multiple profiles in the Synapse software based on character types and create matching Bartender4 profiles. Make sure you export your profiles because the Synapse software has a nasty habit of deleting setups when updating and the cloud save rarely helps restore them.
I'm still waiting for them to make a one for left handed people. You know, one that goes in the right hand so the mouse can remain comfortable in my left hand so I can finally ditch the number pad for keybinds.
Lol get good scrub
Thank you I will def start with this. I am a new game pad user and WoW player. I just built my Pc and always wanted to play WoW and specifically on the Razer Tartarus Pro. I also have the Naga pro to assign 1-12. Thanks again
legend has it if your in the first 10 comments hazel says hi!
hi
Trying to figure out best keybinds for havok demon hunter
Ty for making this video. Even tho its 3 years old, It's still viable for the tartarus v2 and pro. Do you still use a gamepad for wow? I just got the tartarus due to wrist issues, and I would really love to learn to use the gamepad
It’s easier to bind the button above the dpad to ALT or a CTRL bind. Hell if you’re looking at the map or bag your not pvping so no need for that bind!
I just picked up a Tartarus V2, oh boy this is going to take some getting used to. And the palm rest is really crappy, it isn't adjustable, except for moving it a half inch back
Hans Yolo just got my Tartarus v2 in the mail today! Haha. I was playing through drustvar this evening and man it’s strange for wow, but when I booted up GW2 it was like a glove and playing a different game. I can absolutely see the pros to these. WoW will take some getting used to. Still trying to figure out the perfect layout. Movement on the thumb stick seems strange. What are you running?
Liked for curiosity about how other people key bind.
alt modifier with f4 genius
yup! lol alt+f4'd my ass once and instantly switched it to shift and control lol
apparently you can disable alt+f4 in razer synapse but im not even gonna bother