The Osage: Before Killers of the Flower Moon
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2023
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While “Killers of the Flower Moon” covers the Osage Native American nation in the 20th century, the Osage reigned across the plains and prairies centuries before then. Heralded by Thomas Jefferson as one of the two most powerful nations with which the United States had to contend (along with the Sioux), the Osage inhabited and defended an enormous swath of land from Euro American settlers, Comanche, Kiowa, Pawnee and more. This is their incredible story.
CORRECTION:
While the various Trail of Tears routes totaled around 5,000 miles, the specific Cherokee route that year was around 1,200
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Chief Black Dog or Tehong-tas-sab-bee was a giant. He was not 6 foot 6 but 7 feet tall and weighed over 300 pounds. A lot of the Osages were from 6 foot 6 to 7 feet tall. Kots-a-to-ah or also known as Smoke Shield was another 7 footer. There were a lot of the odages that were 7ft. Hundreds of them were 7 foot. They were the tallest race of men in North America. They were the biggest and the baddest and nobody messed with them.
Yes, the biggest and the badass-est!!! I am proud to be even a tiny fraction of my heritage in that way. Woohola!
Osage here. As a student of history, I love the channel and was surprised to see you covering our history. As you can imagine, I watched carefully for errors and omissions. I'm impressed that you got it all correct! I'd offer two additions that help shape the narrative: 1. When it came time to uproot and move again following the civil war, the Osages bought land from the Cherokee everybody thought was worthless: half of it scrub oak and rock-covered hills. No farming to be done there, nothing to lure American settlers, and no one realized the oil underground. 2. Allotment (the dividing up) of Osage land didn't happen overnight and by fiat. Osage leadership, namely by Chief James Bigheart and not Black Dog II, savvily navigated both the US Government and private oil producers for fifteen years to ensure the Osages kept the sub-surface mineral rights in common to the tribe. The wealth the tribe came into was a result of their diligence and efforts.
Appreciate the comment and glad you liked it! Those are indeed useful additional comments :) The brevity of our videos enables our production value (the art/editing take a long time!) and digestibility, but I always include sources in the description for folks to keep reading after getting their “dose.” I’ve often thought of doing companion podcasts to these episodes-with more time, there’s a lot more to be said on the epidemics that afflicted the Osage, the Jesuit presence, and the specifics of reservation life and land/mineral rights.
Thank you for this interesting insight!
This was very interesting. 😊
@@HistoryDose You really should take up podcasting in that manner. I would love to hear a discussion between you brothers on cool tidbits and facts you felt necessary to omit from the initial videos.
This comment should be pinned. Invaluable information.
My friend I met in the Marines is Osage, and he had his grandfather make us gunstock warclubs and ship them to us while we were overseas. Mine now hangs on the wall above my mantle, despite my wife's lamentations, and is one of my prized possessions.
Very cool! I insisted on Joe (the artist/my brother) including a gunstock club in the thumbnail because of how unique they are
@@HistoryDose
Good call. You probably already know, but there is an indigenous martial art called Okichitaw that utilizes the gunstock warclub as a primary weapon.
Bad ass
Didn’t know that! Sounds incredible
Awesome!!
I appreciate that you guys cover topics that aren't mainstream. It's harder to get the views doing that, but it's great to learn new things. Thanks for all the hard work, amazing video!
The Osage did more than meet Louis XV, they hunted with him and listened to music together. The Osage and French were buds against the Spanish, Americans and to a lesser extent the English. It’s a shame that Napoleon killed the bromance.
Edit: Sounds like I misread a source about the hunting party, my bad!
See the Ellis source in the bibliography at the bottom of the description for the full translated (originally French) account of the 1725 Osage visit. Beyond some expected demeaning language (referring to the visitors as “Savage” and clearly inventing parts of their speeches in order to flatter the king), it is a genuinely fascinating read. It actually mentions the delegation meeting Louis after he returned from his hunt, but also mentions the chiefs marveling at the fountains and particularly enjoying the opera
“Americans “ Look at you giving a pass to the French as if they are not European like the rest.
@@doe729 You seem to be misinterpreting my comment entirely. A historic diplomatic familiarity between two entities is not ‘me’ giving the French a pass. The Osage peoples and the French still celebrate their historic relationship some 200 years later (The Osage recently erected a monument if I recall correctly). I am joining both sides in celebrating this cooperation. Historiography is not a moralist tale, it’s an academic pursuit. Get off your high-horse before you fall back to earth.
I worked on the Killers of the Flower Moon movie and cannot wait for their story to be told. A strong and proud people who were betrayed and double crossed by the U.S. government. Thank you for telling part of their story!
Thanks for the kind words; that’s very cool you worked on the movie! In what capacity?
@@HistoryDose set rigging Technician. I set up all the power and lights before everyone shows up!
That has to be interesting! I’m really looking forward to the movie as well.
@@Mathius70 Thank you for your service.
Oklahoma judges are still trying to take Osage land.
My great uncle Clarence Tinker was the only Native American general there’s ever been in the US military and he died in the battle of midway. So proud to be Osage
That’s amazing you’re related to him! Thanks for the comment
@@HistoryDose for sure! I’ve always loved your content and it was so surprising to see something posted about my tribe! Thanks for what you do
Tinker AFB?
@@shirleybalinski4535 yes that’s named after him! Tinker Air Force base
Some of your family came back to the E-Lon-Ska(Dance of the Eldest Son) to dance on Tinker's sacred song. I was there,it was great. Hope you get to participate in our traditions too. I also know some tinkers from Utah that come to the Osage Native American Church on the Rez
Something about this episode made it hit me: imagine after millennia of freedom, centuries of fighting bitter rivals… then being forced into a barren land right next to those so-called enemies… your enmity distracted you from the real threat, and all of you made the same mistake. The shame, the guilt, the regret, the resentment… it all would’ve been so painfully obvious and so bitter… The strength to carry on and argue for those mineral rights and to keep their culture alive is truly amazing and humbling.
If it wasn't for the greed of the government there would have been a whole lot less suffering
@@numbnumbjuice7296if the government was never created everyone would be living better
@@poloclubb how?
It’s hard not to be sad for these people, the brave men that fought to defend their way of life from a power that they could never stop. If it’s any condolence, these people will always be remembered for their struggle, and for their perseverance.
You can say the same thing about the Germans too. Thankfully in both cases, they ended up crushed and forgotten.
@@kylelapointe2289 unhinged and laughably unhistorical pov.
@@mariogarofano9926 Not at all. The celebration of these losers is hardly different than celebrating confederates, or the Nazis.
@@kylelapointe2289love how wrong you are
@@poloclubb Ah, a nazi. Why don't you join your dear leader?
“Everything about you is in chains, you are slaves yourselves…Talk to my sons; perhaps they may be persuaded to adopt your fashions…but for myself, I was born free, was raised free, and wish to die free” wow that’s amazing
So moving I'm over half Osage . I'm a Pratt
Having watched Killers of the Flower Moon yesterday, I had to come back. It was a great movie, and knowing the history behind the Osage made it much better.
Just got out from seeing it. It was great! I liked the inclusion of some Osage history, words and concepts.
"I was born free and wish to die free." I have tears in my eyes...
I grew up near Chumash territory but now live in Arkansas. This is the most I’ve learned about the Osage and I’m very greatful to learn this story.
Leave their country bro
Love this dude, never disappoints with insane immersion and storytelling
I love learning about the natives. If possible, I would like to know more about them pre-contact. I understand that written word/history wasn't a thing and it came down to oral tradition, but if able it would be amazing.
Our history was forced to be verbal because everything we’ve written down was burned anytime colonizers came into the picture.
@RedTurtle710_ oh, where was this stated? What stuff was saved? Do you have any links I could use? I would like to read whatever remains.
They were notorious slavers who captured people to sell to the southeastern tribes. They were known for no-quarters wars where they preferred to behead enemies to instill fear. Wonderful people overall.
@@RedTurtle710_ Wrong, your ancestors had no written language. No need to lie to yourself.
@@RedTurtle710_North American natives developed no written languages, so there was nothing to “burn” and you’re just spouting nonsense gibberish
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I grew up in Hominy, Oklahoma, Osage county. My first boyfriend& best friend were Osage. My grandparents’ property adjoined the Osage Village by a ditch. I spent most of my younger years at their house & in the summer they would hold pow wows about every weekend or every other. We would attend, then come home & spend the night in the” summer house”, a screened in room over the cellar with beds. I would drift off to sleep listening to the drums. That’s my most favorite childhood memory. When I was 40 years old, I found out that I have Cherokee relatives from the past.
Thanks for sharing! Sound like nice memories :)
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Cherokee Warrior and Warrior Historian: this is an excellent representation of what occurred. A
I add, only, that the Cherokee Western Bands had a long standing peace with the Osage. We had no issues with the great nation and respected the Osage. We even intermarried (many of the physical traits remain today such as black hair, darker skin, and lankier build). Our war with the Osage was forced out of desperation. The Northern and Eastern Bands of Cherokee were starving, sick, and our resources depleted. We’d already suffered the Trail. Our intense hatred of our circumstances was misplaced and we made war with the Osage.
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Im part osage. Thank you for covering them !!
It's always a treat when you lads post.
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Beautifully presented as always.
As always brother thanks for the great content and thank you guys for covering this🤙🏾🤙🏾
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Holy crap I’m actually writing about the Osage and I literally just found this. Love this!
This is your best vid yet! Always enjoy watching your videos!
Wow, thanks!
Excellent piece of history, well done presentation.
JUST what I was looking for, many thanks, many thanks
I’m glad you keep doing Native American videos, a lot of interesting things to learn!
Awesome videos and awesome art, glad you made this video before Killers of the Flower Moon premieres 👍🏽
Thank you.
The art and story is always top notch
i forget that these tribes are still under threat even today, another fantastic video.
Under zero threat except from their own alcoholism.
Literally none of these tribes are under threat today😂
Only under threat from tourists because of the Pioneer Woman lol, she has restored some of the buildings very nicely though.
@@UnprofessionalProfessor very inaccurate.
@@MrTsiolkovsky this comment is without basis.
Just found you. Excellent narration and editing. Thank you for your time and effort.
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Beautiful Video, Thanks
that was a really great episode brother.. im from west canada near vancouver.. and grew up with and havr lots of friends that are native..
they are such great people.. the men are strong and kind and generous and very tough.. and the womrn are gentle and caring and very beautiful..
i know about the residential schools and all. the horrific actions taken by the govt and the church to basically destroy a race of people.. its really awful what happened to them..
the damage done is still being felt through the generations... the pain cuts deep.
its very sad.. because they had a much bette way of living than us european descendants have..
they lived in harmony with nature and kept thr balance..
so. sad.. i pray for the ones who suffered and the ones. who still suffer.
🙏🙏🙏🙏💪😞
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Thanks guys.
I live just south, a mile, of one of Black Dog’s camps. He is a legend hereabouts. Glad you did such a fine job of telling their story.
Thanks for all details provided on the history of The Osage People.
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Thanks for the great story🙏🙌
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@@HistoryDose I’ve had friends in college say they learned more on some topics than they did in lectures 😂
As always, both in narrative and visual display, you hit a grand-slam home run with the above video documentary. I especially enjoyed the topic due to the importance of the Osage at the time. Some tribes, despite being important in a given time and place are often eclipsed by more noticed groups like the Lakota, Comanche and Apache. Not that those groups don't deserve the attention given them, but they weren't the the only players on the board, and awareness of other tribes and nations are long overdue. For instance, that the ultra-formidable Comanche often raided but never came close to conquering the Osage shows how resilient they really were.
I never heard of the Osage until I got stationed in Kansas. Thank you for the video.
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Thanks! More Native American history on the way!
This is so well done. I would love to see anything to do with the Choctaw, which is my grandpa's tribe.
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Another superb video, I'm honestly so impressed every video your channel puts out. As a Brit, I had no idea that the Civil War occurred at a time where these actions were still ongoing against Natives. I'd always thought it would have been much before then, given the other reasons the Civil War took place.
As a Brit there are similar actions to learn of and regrets to have regarding our impact on the world, but the American history, the positive stories of individuals living together such as the Jesuits in this video, but also the awful treatment and arrogance of the US Government stuns me. Great watch!
Some even after right ? It is wild most ppl wouldn't believe it, or that natives served
what arrogance?
Great videos. Love doing the washing and just listening to these historical snippets. Being in Australia, rarely hear anything about native American history.
Interesting subject, thanks
Great as usual
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Im especially interested in learning about native Americans and their nations.
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A reminder that what is yours is only what you can defend.
Hi, I’m new to your channel! Really appreciate the history and knowledge you share. My great grandmother was stolen at age 12 and forced into marriage, having my grandfather. She had 3 children but they were taken from her. She was able to sneak into where they were keeping her children and took one son- not my grandfather. My grandfather was raised by his “grandmother “…. We aren’t really sure if she was his biological grandmother. Anyway, we do not have documentation of much of any of my mom’s family. Most claimed to be Mexican, because it was apparently more safe and respected than being NA. We are told that my stolen grandmother was Tongva, from what is now California. I’d love to know more about their history. I believe they have been seeking federal recognition for decades but rejected although there is evidence of them inhabiting the land before settlers. I truly appreciate it. Thank you.
Can we get an episode on the Boer Wars? Great episode by the way :)
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You have a lot of talent. I don’t subscribe or comment that much but I think you should make videos more often and go at this full-time. You really have something with this channel.
This is the history american children should read and learn from.
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Great video 👍🏾
I’m looking forward to this
I’m part Osage.. never knew any of their history. Thank you for posting this it means a lot. ❤
I'm an Indian from India and have always been interested in Native American tribes since alot of them share some similarities to certain tribes over here in North east india, Like Nagas, Kukis, Mizos etc. Do native americans still live traditional lives at the reservations or have they moved on to a more modernistic lifestyle with normal jobs now? I'm asking because I dont know.
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@@Corgi_Manu Yes, many tribes hold various ceremonies throughout the year. If you would like to see a large native American community, I suggest visiting Phoenix AZ, check out the Heard Museum.
Great video looking forward to the movie. You guys should do a video on the Apache about Geronimo or Cochise perhaps.
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@historydose what is the song at 10:01. It's epic along with the artwork and quote. It's all perfect in harmony
The book was great, i recommend it to every one on audible
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Martin Scorsese is a genius. He found an easy way to get all of the DEI points.
This is definitely winning all the Oscars 100%.
and while still making all the main characters white, and putting the Osage into the background of their own story, yea.
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Good there has been enough Hollywood whitewashing to last an eternity.
@@user-nv5sn3tb4e Out here casually erasing Lily Gladstone because that's inconvenient for you.
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@HistoryDose. Hey, man, I love your videos. It would be fantastic if you were to do a video on the historical naval battle of St. Georges Caye. It took place in the Caribbean, in the country of Belize, in Central America. It was between the Spaniards and the British. Fun fact: Although Belize is not commonly known, it was the primary source of mahogany wood, which the British harvested.
Love these Native American videos. I’d love for you guys to make a video on coastal tribes like the Myaamia, Seminole, or Ohlone
Did more justice to the story than the movie could imo
Interesting stuff 👍🏻
11:30 a beatiful picture of the freedom Osages
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Love your videos and the art. Can you add subtitles, please?
I'm really glad to watch this, because I saw Killers Of The Flower Moon and didn't know much of anything about the events leading up to it. They should have payed you guys to put this on the movie's DVD as a special feature!
At the beginning of the video, I saw how big the Osage territory was and thought "Wow, it makes sense that oil would be struck within such a huge area." Then their territory kept getting smaller and smaller, and by the end i thought "Wow, they really hit the jackpot striking so much oil despite a drastically smaller area!"
Or rather, a jackpot for a while, until the social/societal turmoil it would cause during the events of Flower Moon. Unless I'm wrong and the events of the movie took place when the Osage territory was bigger.
It's sad to think this will not be seen in certain states of our country. So many are scared of history, education for that matter. Thank you for posting this, I will pass it along. Take care
In which states will this not be seen? And in those states, how will it be censored and hidden?
No one is censoring this. Why are you lying?
Emblem of the Americas1798 this is what they don't want you to see
@@gew2027 😂
@@UnprofessionalProfessor The best paintings of that era are in the British Museum
That buzzcut looks good on you! I know those days.