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Like, I love LEGO video games. Hell, the first LEGO Marvel game? One of my all time favorite games. It had a lot of secrets to find, characters to collect, a fun original story, and had all the charm one would want from both Lego and Marvel. But it seems that LEGO Horizon Adventures has little to nothing new to offer that older and better LEGO games have, and feels way too simplistic.
@@terrylandess6072 yeah but thats kinda the thing with investors and shareholders, they have a lot of saying recently, but don't know the slightest thing about why certain stuff is popular and makes money. There are people in charge who don't have any real life experience.
I hope consoles fail bruv. I want to stick it to these console plebs. On Xbox side, ForzaM and Halo are both dead. Both released unfinished. Pathetic company
I'll never understand how they're literally sitting on a gold mine of classic IPs as well as many fan demanded IPs like bloodborne and they choose to completely ignore those
@@bobdylan1968Most of their IPs are from the PS2 era, my guy. If they revamped beloved titles from that era, they’d have success. Problem is Sony has no innovation or optimization. They’re bloated and incompetent
@@XzaroX sony wanting to get PC gamers info through PSN so they can sell it to scammers/"hackers" costed them billions, and will cost them more. Mindless greed never works
What a bizarre crossover. The Lego games succeed primarily because they're IP that kids know and like. They're games kids can play, but also games adults can play with their kids that aren't completely unbearable for the adults. No kids would know what Horizon Zero Dawn is.
Your whole point falls flat when you realize how many kids are playing GTA 5 which is rated M. My first video games were silent hill 1 and resident evil 1 for ps1. You'd be surprised what video games kids play.
@ueg3618 Yea people don't understand kids and kinda project this idea of kids. When I was like 9, kids thought cartoons were for babies. Adults really forget what being a kid is actually like. Everyone is too cool for school, and they can sniff out adults who are out of touch lightyears away. Of course kids still secretly enjoy some of the "baby cartoons" and won't admit to it until later, but most of them are viewing well above the intended audience.
@@dupersuper6516 Exactly. When I was a kid everyone of my friends back then were playing games like GTA 3 when it came out or games like manhunt. I played silent hill 2 and metal gear solid 2 when they came out and I was still young. You can bet kids play video games way above their age. Hzd is definitely no different in that regard.
Lego Games should not be full price. Like Star Wars Skywalker Saga made sense because it was a huge game with so many new and remade stories. But a one story lego game should be $30 USD, $40 CAD.
When I was a kid I never got them if they were more than 20 dollars which is a fair price I was suprised when skywalker saga was 60 because I never new Lego games were being sold for that much
Yeah especially since they are just kid games, For $30 I’d buy my kids all the Lego games $60-$70 is steep for these games especially since they are glorified reskins of other Lego games😅
I remember when Lego Marvel Superheroes 2 first released it was €55 here and I thought it was too expensive. Charging €70 for a Lego game that isn't as good as older Lego games that are worth like €20 now is a new low
Yes. It's important to recognize that a lego game is actually easier to make than another game because all the unskinned assets are the same things. There's no variety of character models or need to assemble 3D rigging because it's all just lego figurines and bits. Even cutscenes are intentionally cheaply produced, with no voice and simplified, over-exaggerated motions to tell the story that the player is expected to already know. They're charging top shelf prices for bottom shelf booze.
The problem with Killzone is that Guerilla legitimately started hated making it in the end. Thats why they moved to Horizon And personally I don't trust modern day ND to make a Jak & Daxter game, remake or not
@@roonkolossame I do not trust any developers to do remakes nowadays, they will all get ruined. Not even the passable ones like RE remakes and Final Fantasy 7 are perfect, they all have their things that just makes you go “why did you had to touch this?, it was perfect how it was”
Yeah, I was excited for a new Lego game and a franchise I can't touch otherwise, but at this price? It needs more content or more depth or way more imagination and fun. This is just a glorified mobile game.
@@DegenerateFilth That means more than half the world cannot buy it, can't play on Steam deck and they will sell your data to shady websites. Currently hating PSN by principal and WILL NOT buy a game that requires PSN. Not even Bloodborne if they do a remake.
It's a flop worse than Concord in terms of player count. Concord is still the flop to waste the most money, but LEGO Horizon is worse in that this is freaking LEGO, and Horizon, and yet it couldn't get as many players as Concord
When I first saw the reveal trailer for this, my immediate reaction was: “Really? They think that Horizon can carry a Lego game all on its own??” Guess they were very, very wrong.
What? Are lego games some sort of masterpiece in game design, lore, and gameplay? They're kids games. Horizon is a strong enough IP to have 2 multi-million selling games. Wtf do you mean it can't carry a lego game? That's not as prestigious of an accolade, being a lego game, as you think. There's also nothing really wrong with the Horizon Lego game either. It's not broken, or glitchy, or anything like that. It's just the Horizon Zero Dawn game scaled down to the bare minimum to fit the Lego template and made to appeal to children. That's it. This story isn't even newsworthy. Looking at steam player numbers means nothing for a multiplatform release.
@@zztzgza I mean what’s the age over lap of kids capable and smart enough to play Horzion, and understand it’s plot that are aren’t in the rebellious teen phase where you try to not associate with anything that may make you look the slightest bit childish? In short, the target audience was from a game with a majority adult audience, and before you say what about Batman? Who on this green earth hasn’t heard about the caped crusader? Also I am convinced that Sony is trying to buy Fromsoft’s parent company off spite alone because of Eldin Ring stealing the show from Horzion 2’s release
@@zztzgza Horizon is an M rated game. Lego is PG. There's a bit of a difference here. Sure, it's made to appeal to children, but then there goes your established player base. A dinosaur themed Lego game isn't unappealing, but you see how little Horizon is involved here. It's a fine enough game, it's just not Superheroes, or Wizards, which is where Lego games are usually themed.
It isn't just that they diluted the Horizon experience, they did the same on the Lego side as well. Where is the shower of studs from breaking everything in site? The collection of playable characters? The collectables? There is a template for this sort of game, and they didn't even try.
I liked the LEGO Star Wars original trilogy well enough but have yet to finish the LotR trilogy. I 'tried' the Harry Potter one but lost interest quickly. Either the LEGO style is for you or it isn't. It became stale for me personally as an older gamer. The humor is fine but the gameplay became tedious and another 'skin' wasn't enough.
@@GMStarworld Fair enough, but it doesn't change the fact that the Lego gameplay side of this game is lacking. If there was a "Lego Game" trope they couldn't use, they needed to replace it with something else. They didn't, and the fame feels emptier for it.
Scuttlebug says its internal politics, Sony studios are primarily western development and they have a lot of influence in Sony Interactive entertainment which is the Japanese branch of things, the western branch is afraid of loosing influence over the direction of the company if the more Japanese and eastern games are made and sell really well. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica studio, Gurellia games, Insomniac games. All of them are afraid if the focus switch’s to a Japanese primary focus they stop getting blank checks for the development of their games. Or worse their franchises are put on hiatus causing them to have mass layoffs. So the western studios are doing everything they can to sink and sabotage any possibility of Japanese first party Sony games being developed and one of the things they railroad hard is stopping a Bloodborne remake/remaster/port
This ties in to Sony trying to purchase Kadokawa (the guys who own FromSoft) this is a push by the Japanese branch to have something that they can bring to Sony Electronics (the parent company of Sony interactive entertainment) and say “hey we have this company that made Elden Ring, that sold more then anything the western devs made let’s try more of this” it’s all power plays
@@Al_Lergicthing is there isn’t a financial mandate to make it, if the Japanese branch manages to buy out Kadokawa there is a financial mandate to have a return on investment, if Sony was to buy them they would be considered to be failing the fiduciary duty to shareholders if they spent all that money and did nothing. They would be forced into making games from FromSoft. As it stands right now all that can be done in regards to Bloodborne is for Japanese branch suggest doing it, and the American branch going “…..nah we don’t think it’s a good use of money to invest in making a Bloodborne remake” And use their influence inside the company to spike it. If Japanese branch can wrangle this purchase of Kadokawa to the tune of probably billions of dollars Sony would be forced by investors to either utilize Fromsoft….or liquidate it, and if they tried to liquidate it investors would see them dissolving fromsoft a company that made one of the best selling games of the decade, and would have a corporate malfeasance lawsuit thrown right into Sony Interactive entertainment lap
I have to wonder what this game's reason to exist is. It's a Lego video game based on another video game. Lego Star Wars was at least based on a movie series. But if I want to play Horizon, I'll play Horizon.
I think the intent was to get kids into the series. It seems like they’re putting a lot more resources into the horizon franchise and they probably want to get kids into it so they will eventually try the actual games.
Horizon doesn't have the reach of the other IP made into Lego games. Things like DC, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, had multiple years of cultural/commercial attention across multiple mediums with multiple significant characters to focus on. Horizon is known as a single player video game series, with a single character focus, that doesn't have "casual audiences" awareness. Lego Horizon just doesn't indicate a mass general appeal. Edit: And "account requirements" outside the Steam Platform is a tedium of its own.
Very much this. I can't name a single character outside of the protagonist, whose name I only know because she appeared in Death Stranding and Monster Hunter World. Meanwhile I've never seen a Star Wars movie but can name and-or identify at least 10-20 characters, locations, or quirks/traits.
Sony: "Hey Playstation fans! What kind of game would you like to see?" Fans: " A new Jax & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Tomba, Syphon Filter, Parappa the Rapper, Twisted Metal, Primal, Puppeteer, Motorstorm, Jumping Flash, Resistance, Ape Escape, Legend of Dragoon, or Killzone please?" Sony: Here's a lego version of Horizon!!!
Sony seems obsessed with making Horizon a big thing. They tried it with Genshin a few years back nobody really hated it cuz nobody cared enough _TO_ hate it and now this. Don't get me wrong, its a fine couple of games (if a bit average) and they had their time in the spotlight but it seems Sony just can't accept that its was just that: A time in the spotlight.
It's because the Playstation fan base overhyped everything and makes it seem like Sony makes the best games ever, then when it comes to actual sales they're always under projection.
Even as a hyper fan of Horizon myself, this absolutely confuses me to no end. They should have shelved this and i hope they shelf the multi-player game too
@@zacziggarot Sony shot themselves in the foot twice in exactly the same way with their release dates, and I can only conclude its because of their arrogance.
Reminds me of the time when Aloy came to Genshin Impact. The general consensus was a shared "but why?" And to this day she is the least played character ever, to the point that when people make popularity lists they disqualify her. Same thing here. Nobody cares (except those few people in comments who say they care. Good for you, happy for you ;) )
@@holo1560 She's not that bad, and works pretty well as a Quickswap Cryo nuke and battery. It's just that she's super neglected, has a 4 Star characters stat line, and doesn't even have any Constellations released to give her kit the same kind of oomph that every other character in the game gets from their constellations, which is especially falling because HFW had a ton of abilities that could have served as inspiration for her to her a decent upgrade.
@@playahsan The "but why?" was pretty obvious, though, since not only does she slot into the Genshin lore and setting better than pretty much any other Sony character except maybe Kat from Gravity Rush, Horizon Forbidden West was about to release so this was them marketing that game on another major game that had a similar target demographic.
I'm thinking that the low Steam numbers might have been in large part because Sony requires a PSN account to play the game, which was something that pissed off a bunch of Steam players when they temporarily implemented that to Helldivers 2. This would also lock out entire nations where you can't get a PSN account, IIRC.
It's definitely one part of that, the other is that it's a game nobody asked for. But the whole ps subscription requirement is such bogus when psn has the worst security constantly getting hacked!
It's Night time as I'm typing this and Dad of Boi 2 has over 3k players playing right now..... Nobody really wanted this game and honestly; who even knew it even came out?
@@SeraSxF Region lock is a thing. I have a US account in a non-PSN country. I still can't buy the game on Steam. Personally I had no problems with the requirement of a PSN account since I have one despite in an unsupported country. Now I'm locked out due to that reason. Can't buy anything from here. Guess our plight isn't a big deal since it doesn't affect PSN countries so what do they care? Best thing I've read when this thing exploded was "just move out of the country". I have all the games I need on PC. Sold my PS5 because it sat on my shelf for 2 years only playing FFXVI which I can now play on PC. Have no interest in console exclusives.
I honestly would've been down for a Lego God of War that pays homage to the original trilogy. Classic GoW is so gory and silly, it would've been funny to see all that violence contexualized through Lego animation and sound effects. That, or just Lego PlayStation in general cuz who in the world was dying to play Lego Horizon!
@SakuraAvalon make it the first rated M lego game. But instead of the characters having sex off screen they build lego versions of iconic God of War landmarks off screen with the moans and qte's still in tact😂
Star Wars has fans from all ages, Horizon does not. Same goes for Marvel, it has so many projects for adults and kids. Horizon does not and doesn't have the same number of fans. This is coming from a huge fan of Horizon who also had no interest in this game. Considering how dark the lore for Horizon already is, why would I play a kid version of it and what kid wants to explore this franchise? Know your audience.
It's not even comparable. Star Wars alone is a 45+ year old massive international multimedia franchise which has set records over decades and has fans who have never existed in a world without it. Movies, shows, video games, novels, comic books, toys, more than anyone could keep track of, brought back across multiple generations. Only a few other franchises come close to that level of saturation, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Pokemon, Marvel, some manga/anime, and few have its longevity. Horizon is a first party PlayStation game from one console generation ago and its sequel, known only to PS4 & PS5 players, that are not even 10 years old. It's not the same ballpark, it's not even the same sport.
They should’ve just done like a “LEGO PlayStation”, putting all kinds of IPs in there. But then you might as well just make a “LittleBigPlanet 4” or something, cause they already did it with that. But they could make another one.
I've never seen Sony spoon feed an IP as forced Horizon has been to the public. I almost never hear anyone talk about Horizon to begin with but they keep pumping it in any possible playstation bundle, sale, commercial, that's available.
I've heard it is a decent game series, though. Meant to get it myself on PC, but now that the Remaster is only available with a PSN account, I decided against it.
@@123Suffering456 The first game is absolutely fantastic and Easily one of the most compelling stories on playstation (in my opinion). I haven't played the second yet but I do plan on it and am Excited for it. The lego idea could have worked, but clearly they did it wrong. which is sad.
I legitimately tried playing horizon zero dawn on 4 different occasions and I could not get past the first few hours. It is easily the most generic and boring PS IP I’ve ever played. The game is beautiful and I understand why some love it, but it really doesn’t have much going for it that Sony thinks it can create all these spin offs and remasters
@@123Suffering456 To be honest remastering a PS4 game is straight up retarded, I played the OG version and Forbidden West on PC and both games look great.
@@junechevalier laughable hole in your argument, mate. 99% of games weren't asked for, ever. Noone asked for video games to exist, yet they exist. Also, the games people ARE asking Sony for are the oldest games they have, and the audience those old games were made for has outgrown them. Sony has to cater to a more modern audience whether you like it or not.
@ 99% is a big number. Some games come out of nowhere and they are well loved, yes, but not 99%. Also most of those games which you think “come out of nowhere” have had showcases and people are excited about them. You just found out about them one day and be like “this came out of nowhere WOW” Let me come up with an example: Elden Ring, people have leaked it many years before and many fromsoft fans were waiting for it, there’s even a channel dedicated to uploading every single day “until elden ring releases” Baldur’s Gate 3 came from a well-known IP, with tons of DnD fans, and have been hyped up by fans of Divinity 2 Palworld came out of nowhere?? Nah, pokemon fans have been disappointed for years by Nintendo for the decline in their quality
Or, and just throwing out ideas here, Lego Jack and Daxter. I gave up hope on it returning like old but it could be a way to bring the IP back from the dead in general.
I would love that. But that’s why it sucks this is a failure. If it was a huge hit it would encourage them to give the Lego treatment to other Sony franchises. Instead this will tell them nobody is interested.
That I might actually have bought. Maybe on sale, because I'm not made of money. Still, yeah, Ratchet and Clank would fit extremely well as a Lego game
Yong mentioning how simplistic, boring, and mind-numbing the game is is actually indicative of a larger problem with modern LEGO games. The Skywalker Saga is very hand-holdy. For example, a lot of the platforming magnetizes your character to the platforms and automatically sends you over to the next one with a press of the jump button, no moving the joystick required! Boss fight attacks are also extremely telegraphed, giving you too much time to move out of the way. These are just two examples. My little cousin who is still in Elementary School even said the game was too easy. I'm not asking for LEGO Dark Souls (unless...?), I just want them to be on par with their older titles in terms of difficulty.
The cost is $75 / £60 in the UK for the base game that's more than the original Horizon remaster it's based on £55 for the remaster bundle - at most it should be be in the $20-$30 range if it's that simplified.
Sony has really really overestimated how much the average person cares about Horizon. They gotta realize that to a lot of folks they're still just those folks who keep releasing next to actual generational defining titles like BotW and Elden Ring lol
@@d00gz_ Depending on when the game started development, they very well could have. The lego tallneck set came out in 2022, they very well could have looked at those sales numbers and assumed this was something fanes would want, as IIRC the set sold out almost immediately, and was hard to find for a time after.
@@d00gz_This is exactly the issue. Adults who liked Horizon, myself included, aren’t going to be remotely interested in a Lego game aimed at kids. Meanwhile kids are going to have no idea what Horizon is compared to the big film tie-in franchises like Star Wars, Marvel etc. I can understand why they may think that the whole lego robot dinosaur thing may be popular with kids but you’re more likely to succeed with Jurassic Park for kids that like dinosaurs. The issue really comes down to the prior push for that demographic. Most of Horizon’s marketing has been towards adults. Also, aren’t most kids going to be on console? I see no way for the Steam release to suddenly be popular.
@@KleioChronicles all of that and the fact that (they wont say it but) it is a weed game, its a game designed to be easy to play while you are stoned out of your mind on the "spicy flower", think about it, it touches on autonomous robots living their own life which is at least 2 things that a stoned out person can think about,, 1 would offing the robots be a form for offing? you could argue that yes since they have a synthetic form of thinking which is a rather high level of living and making it so that their synthetic nervous system is destroyed would potentially be offing and 2 if humans are going extinct would "extinguishing" the robots be in the interest of the future life form that takes over after humans?
"What if we release a slightly upgraded version of the PS5 and sell it at a huge markup?" "What if we spend $200-400 million on a game that is going to be released in an oversaturated market full of free-to-play titles?" "What if we take our Horizon IP - which deals a lot with heavy themes and complex mechanics - and make it into a family friendly Lego game?" Now here are my questions: Who over at Sony is asking these questions? Who is answering 'yes' to these questions and giving away blank checks? Can we see those people fired and replaced with more competent personnel?
Nah, cancel, cancel, cancel Cancel affordable consoles, cancel old IPs, cancel new games, cancel discs, cancel, cancel This is not a bad resume btw for sony
To me it seemed like half a game. There needed to be MUCH more story, content, mechanics, characters, quests, puzzles, and collectables. On top of that was the price-tag, which was *outrageously* expensive for what it was. Do better, Lego games!
My three issues with it: 1. The game doesn't look like a $60 title. 2. Literally who asked for this game? 3. This is a Lego game, but as far as I know, the game does not play like classic Lego games such as Lego Star Wars (the ones by Tt Games).
If PlayStation wanted to appeal to a broad audience, they could have done Lego Little Big Planet or a Lego Astrobot, maybe it could have succeeded in been somewhat of a family friendly experience.
Sony is still trying to make Horizon a thing. I don't ever see anyone saying this franchise is anyone's favorite, it's success can largely be attributed to it always been bundled with the consoles.
I liked the first game and thought it was fun. Not anything huge, but there was a solid foundation. NEVER would I thought, nor feel, do I think its big enough to warrant the treatment Sony seems to be giving it
Dude, Horizon games sold more than the God of War games. It's not Sony "trying" to make it successful. It is a successful IP. You're just hating on it cause you saw others hating on it.
@@zztzgzaNah it’s weirdly not. The first one went completely under the radar, I myself discovered it months after release when I gave it a shot as it was on sale. As many other players I realized it was actually quite good, if not as polished as the stuff put out by bigger studios, but never would have bet on a sequel then. That sequel did actually fairly well, and I think it’s a really good game, one of the few that was engrossing enough that I fully completed it, something I don’t do that often these days. But it’s still not that recognizable of a brand, and while I’ll certainly play whatever comes next to complete the trilogy, you don’t see the same type of impatience you see for the next Witcher or GTA.
@@zztzgza It hasnt sold more than gow games, those sales numbers you saw INCLUDE the bundle editions, miillions of console sales that had horizon game included in the bundle. They count those, its very misleading.
Except that this is a Single player/coop game that does NOT have the budget a AAA would have (just like almost every Lego Game) and most people who are likely to play this game (the majority of them being preschool to school age kids) will not play it on Steam when they get the time, but on the Nintendo Switch or PS5 which, as have always said every time this comes up, does not have a real way to measure player counts Steam numbers will never be an actual way to see if a game is a success or a failure. And that's even less of a case with Lego games since the target audience are the least likely to involve with Steam
lots of things less popular than concord come out all the time. the reason concord was remarkable is bc of the massive financial & time investment in something that flopped so bad
Well one important thing to note is that the other LEGO games were made by Travelers Tales. LEGO 2K Drive and Horizon Adventures are made by a different studio. LEGO decided to branch things out with other gaming studios after the Skywalker Saga for more gaming variety outside of the LEGO TT formula. TT games still works with LEGO as they’re currently working on a new game, we just don’t know what IP it will be based on outside of it being “major”, but TT is no longer the only gaming studio working with LEGO.
I love how Sony has been trying to force Horizon as their flagship franchise for the better part of a decade now when there are so many better choices 😂
I'm surprised Sony is still not interested in exploring and remaking their other IPs such as The Getaway and SOCOM. Modern day Sony always disappoints. Oh wait, I went to the future and Sony did remake SOCOM for next gen PS and Steam (PSN required), but sadly since it's Live Service Online-Only and didn't have Offline mode. It ended up like Concord and The Crew. "You'll own nothing and be happy."
Imagine everyone asking Sony to put out more adult, story driven titles.. Only for Sony to then put out a miserable, multiplayer hero shooter, and then a children's cover of an already existing game, with little to no emphasis on plot at all. Good job Sony, add it to the pile.
Again, just like Concord, "WHO is this FOR?!" As a professional game designer with just a modicum of experience in market research, I find even just the initial conceptual "elevator pitches" behind these games simply dumbfounding. I do not understand how these projects ever got off the ground.
I don’t think Horizon is a big enough franchise to justify this game’s existence. It’s not a Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter. Sony thinking they have a bigger IP than they actually do.
I said this in my review on my channel, but this game honestly felt like another way for Sony to just monetise their IP instead of actually producing a fresh experience. I really don't understand why this wasn't open world because it totally could have beena really cool lego game, but because with average run of the mill linear level design, it really struggled to justify its existence. LEGO fans probably aren't that interested in this franchise, and Horizon fans are more keen for an open world game and all the elements that made Horizon great. This didn't cater to anyone unfortunately.
It’s weird, ive played the first game and thought it was good but its weird that Sony pushes it more than Ratchet and Clank, Jak or Sly Cooper even at there peek
You're exactly right. The Horizon IP isn't popular enough, especially to the main target audience. Add to that the high asking price and low lifetime of the game, and you've got a recipe for failure. Even if it has gameplay issues, if it was a more popular IP and at a lower price, it would probably have been somewhat successful.
It breaks my heart that they picked Horizon out of all their IP choices, considering the massive failure of this game, we can expect to not get any other mashup of Lego and another Sony IP. And I feel Sony will blame the audience and not the choice in picking Horizon for this first time mashup.
To be fair, I doubt most kids have a high end PC plus there’s the whole debacle with the PS Account requirement as well which I wonder if this game requires an account.
Do you think this lego game in specific requirements THAT much power to run? and if they have that much power, why would they play the lego when they can play the og?
This is basically that friend that’s like “I’m gonna start my own business one day” and to be nice you’re like “hey man that’s great, follow your dreams”, and then he becomes serious about it and it seems like it’s actually gonna happen so you start to kinda subtly suggest “hey maybe set your expectations accordingly so you aren’t disappointed” but now he’s committed. And then his plan fails and he’s completely distraught and you’re torn between wanting to comfort him, and saying to him “I told you so dude”
Most of the other lego games other than the skywalker saga have a lower than 1000 peak players from what I saw on steam charts. So why not compare it to all of them or am I missing something? Also tbf skywalker saga was their most ambitious one.
Sony: "We don't have any IP's that players want anymore!" Literally anybody who has ever owned a playstation: "We want a Bloodborne remaster/port!" Sony: "Good idea, lets try Horizon Zero for the 5th time in 3 years!" And my parents think that wealth=intelligence.
I think it was a noble attempt, really. The sci-fi elements of Horizon do mix well with Lego and crafting, there’s even a Lego Horizon set. But the thing is… the Horizon duology is not a juggernaut of a franchise as SCE wants to convince itself it is. I would’ve believed more successful Lego Uncharted, maybe Lego MGS, and maaaybe reconsider Lego Tomb Raider, but not Horizon just yet.
How in the fucking world does a game like this sale at 60, but concord saled at 40? HOW!? Sony could've put this at 40 and maybe this could've had a better chance then concord, but for this to be 60. OMG sony was SO asking for more money back after concord.
I'm the most surprised with this. Horizon is already a pretty miffed franchise to people, and Lego also usually piggy backs off the major brands. I wouldn't really call Horizon a brand on the same caliber as Star Wars or Marvel. Plus Lego is usually more kid friendly, but Horizon is a more mature game. It's a really odd mix. It's like if Dead Space had a Lego game.
Outside of the Lego Skywalker game, none of the Lego games really have high all time peaks at all, after that it's Lego Marvel Super Heroes and that didn't hit 6000, Skywalker is an outlier.....Horizon is doing bad but it is also the weakest IP out of what Lego games usually are
Sony: “Hey, guess what!” Gamers: A Bloodborne remake?! Sony: What? No, stop asking for that. Instead here is something you didn’t asked for! Gamers: Pass. Sony: *Surprise pikachu face*
I really can't blame sony for this one, if Lego asks if you want to make a Lego horizon game I would also say yes even if it I know it isn't going to do the best.
@toongrowner1 yup in an interview with Lego and Guerrilla games, Lego went to Guerilla games and asked if they wanted to do something, I imagine it was after the Horizon lego figure came out
This is what happens when you lean too much onto a specific formula. You see... Ever since the last years of the playstation 3 hardware, They went heavy on this cinematic driven story games. Grew a new audience with it while ditching another (The ones that loved PS1 and PS2 flagship titles and what playstation stood for as a company) So when you make a game that does not fit with their long-running formula plus a very uninspiring and far from iconic franchise, That's the result. Also, I don't think there are many fans from horizon which actually bought the game, Most players obtained through console bundles and PS+ Subscriptions. Perhaps Guerilla should've learned from TEAM ASOBI and realised the old playstation games philosophy were simply superior. ASTROBOT sold really well despite also not being a part of their current formula. Should've revived killzone when it had the chance. At least I know it would fare much better than this game.
I don't really know anyone who cares about the Horizon games. When i think Lego games, i think big franchises, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Batman and things like that. Horizon is just nowhere near that level of popularity and im guessing this is why people aren't buying it. Edit: i just checked on Steam, $109 AUD and it requires a PSN account!!!! What the hell were they thinking? Ive bought a few of the Lego games in the past and ive never payed more that $60 - $70 for them, usually you can pick them up on special under $50. $109 is ridiculous.
I actually wanted to play this despite not knowing anything about Horizon but knowing how pricy it is just made me reconsider it entirely. Sucks cause I thought it looked fun.
Ok, when a Lego game based on their amazing IPs didn't gave them a lot of money despite such a thing being lego game's big perks, I think Sony needs some help.
Maybe? horizon hits more like something only ps and pc players know about than switch players so if they buy it is more like because it's lego name than the horizon name
@@chrisb.2028 so 1: it's a Lego game, which makes it one degree of separation away from PC gaming, and 2: it's horizon, which makes it now two degrees since we tend to avoid that franchise. unlike Lego Star Wars complete saga because it's a Star Wars game and people on pc are more ok with that franchise
Ok the game was overpriced but if you really think this game is only worth $5-10 new then you’re just clearly a hater. The games you mentioned are old af, no matter how good they are. People want new experiences too. Plus people that would’ve been interested in this type of game except for price might not be interested in those, I mean it’s CLEARLY targeted towards kids. You’re speaking from your own bubble. $30-40, 50 max would’ve been way more reasonable and realistic
I think this is overpriced as well but you're comparing apples and oranges here. You're comparing a new game aimed at kids to 10+ year old games aimed at an older audience.
I think it's more that star wars is a massive IP, they made a big IP into a kids game, how many parents have heard of Horizon? I'd say very little, and after all they're the ones that buy the games.
Is anyone sick and tired of companies trying to Legoify anything that’s popular? It was fine with Star Wars, Batman, Indiana Jones, and Harry Potter. But overtime it got really annoying to the point it’s not even needed, especially when movies tried to do it. Having a Pharrell Williams documentary be turned into a brick animation rather than live action was kinda of a weird decision if you ask me.
The game only features 4 playable characters when usually Lego games feature a larger roster. Even if they were to limit it to Horizon Zero Dawn they could’ve included characters like Vala, Bast, Nil, Avad, Marad, Ersa, Sylens, and especially Talanah. They could’ve just also included stuff from both Zero Dawn and Forbidden West and its cast of characters too.
@@k3salieri I think the original release rode on the high of Breath of the Wild, people bought the game but few really played it. Now Sony has pretty much gaslighted themselves into thinking the franchise is bigger than it really is.
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Like, I love LEGO video games. Hell, the first LEGO Marvel game? One of my all time favorite games. It had a lot of secrets to find, characters to collect, a fun original story, and had all the charm one would want from both Lego and Marvel. But it seems that LEGO Horizon Adventures has little to nothing new to offer that older and better LEGO games have, and feels way too simplistic.
Imagine if Sony did a Bloodborne remake instead or a new KillZone game
Imagine criticizing a children's game on a platform aimed at adults.
Clearly Yong is the target audience.
@@xdjrunner Target audience being kids does not excuse low quality.
I think Sony is severely overestimating the popularity of Horizon.
And they heavily underestimate the popularity of bloodborne
Lego peaked with the films. As an investor I'd look elsewhere.
@@terrylandess6072 yeah but thats kinda the thing with investors and shareholders, they have a lot of saying recently, but don't know the slightest thing about why certain stuff is popular and makes money. There are people in charge who don't have any real life experience.
Sony really wants HZD to become popular while they have all their good IP in the shelve collecting dust
@@dralakba-dusk31it’s asinine
I think PlayStation needs these disasters to happen. They have become so complacent in this generation.
that happens if you leave the decission making to shareholders, people who have no idea how the real world works.
I hope consoles fail bruv. I want to stick it to these console plebs. On Xbox side, ForzaM and Halo are both dead. Both released unfinished. Pathetic company
They have to learn that not every mindless failure/bad decision can't just be written off in taxes
Agreed. It's necessary for the AAA industry to start learning from their mistakes.
@@toongrowner1 no. that happens if you leave the decission making to californian turds
I'll never understand how they're literally sitting on a gold mine of classic IPs as well as many fan demanded IPs like bloodborne and they choose to completely ignore those
Makes you wanna bang your head on the wall because of how stupid corporate is 😂
This is what happens when you have managers, who know nothing about the field, taking decisions, "because profits"
LOL THINK. All those franchises flopped. That's why they stopped making them. They stopped making those games cause YOU DIDNT BUY THEM lol.
@@bobdylan1968Most of their IPs are from the PS2 era, my guy. If they revamped beloved titles from that era, they’d have success. Problem is Sony has no innovation or optimization. They’re bloated and incompetent
@@bobdylan1968 Thinking Bloodborne flopped is probably the dumbest thing I'm gonna read on the internet for the rest of 2024
$79 for a 6 hour game!?! come on. Oh gee, I wonder what could have went wrong :/
that's awful
that's over 100 bucks here in Canada, yeah no thanks
The PSN requirement, that prevents it from being sold in over half of the world, is not doing them any favours either.
@@XzaroX sony wanting to get PC gamers info through PSN so they can sell it to scammers/"hackers" costed them billions, and will cost them more. Mindless greed never works
Should've made it open world at least
What a bizarre crossover. The Lego games succeed primarily because they're IP that kids know and like. They're games kids can play, but also games adults can play with their kids that aren't completely unbearable for the adults. No kids would know what Horizon Zero Dawn is.
Your whole point falls flat when you realize how many kids are playing GTA 5 which is rated M.
My first video games were silent hill 1 and resident evil 1 for ps1. You'd be surprised what video games kids play.
How in gods name does the point fall flat
@@memelord7643 "no kids know what horizon zero dawn is"
@ueg3618
Yea people don't understand kids and kinda project this idea of kids. When I was like 9, kids thought cartoons were for babies. Adults really forget what being a kid is actually like. Everyone is too cool for school, and they can sniff out adults who are out of touch lightyears away. Of course kids still secretly enjoy some of the "baby cartoons" and won't admit to it until later, but most of them are viewing well above the intended audience.
@@dupersuper6516 Exactly. When I was a kid everyone of my friends back then were playing games like GTA 3 when it came out or games like manhunt. I played silent hill 2 and metal gear solid 2 when they came out and I was still young.
You can bet kids play video games way above their age. Hzd is definitely no different in that regard.
Lego Games should not be full price. Like Star Wars Skywalker Saga made sense because it was a huge game with so many new and remade stories. But a one story lego game should be $30 USD, $40 CAD.
When I was a kid I never got them if they were more than 20 dollars which is a fair price
I was suprised when skywalker saga was 60 because I never new Lego games were being sold for that much
Yeah especially since they are just kid games, For $30 I’d buy my kids all the Lego games $60-$70 is steep for these games especially since they are glorified reskins of other Lego games😅
I remember when Lego Marvel Superheroes 2 first released it was €55 here and I thought it was too expensive. Charging €70 for a Lego game that isn't as good as older Lego games that are worth like €20 now is a new low
And Lego Skywalker Saga wasn't even that good
Yes. It's important to recognize that a lego game is actually easier to make than another game because all the unskinned assets are the same things. There's no variety of character models or need to assemble 3D rigging because it's all just lego figurines and bits. Even cutscenes are intentionally cheaply produced, with no voice and simplified, over-exaggerated motions to tell the story that the player is expected to already know.
They're charging top shelf prices for bottom shelf booze.
Fans: Resistance remakes, Killzone remakes, Bloodborne remaster, Jak and Daxter remakes, etc
Sony: Best i can do is Lego Horizons
The problem with Killzone is that Guerilla legitimately started hated making it in the end. Thats why they moved to Horizon
And personally I don't trust modern day ND to make a Jak & Daxter game, remake or not
And whatever became of Ape Escape 4.
@@roonkolossame I do not trust any developers to do remakes nowadays, they will all get ruined. Not even the passable ones like RE remakes and Final Fantasy 7 are perfect, they all have their things that just makes you go “why did you had to touch this?, it was perfect how it was”
@@Carlishoehhhh re4 wasn't perfect. Lotta people think it was for some reason.
@roonkolos any reason not affiliated with petty politics?
>A game no one ask
>Overpriced
>Short gimmick game
>PSN
Yeah Sony, I wonder why it fail, what a mystery.
Yeah, I was excited for a new Lego game and a franchise I can't touch otherwise, but at this price? It needs more content or more depth or way more imagination and fun.
This is just a glorified mobile game.
This, they also they released this game just a week after they released horizon zero dawn remaster.
I don't get the "PSN" point you guys keep brining up. You need a PSN account... so what?
@@DegenerateFilth That means more than half the world cannot buy it, can't play on Steam deck and they will sell your data to shady websites. Currently hating PSN by principal and WILL NOT buy a game that requires PSN. Not even Bloodborne if they do a remake.
@@DegenerateFilthPSN has had quite a few security issues in the past which might be an issue for some.
I highly doubt it’s “a flop worse than concord” since this game was much more cheap in terms of budget and is also on 3 platforms instead of 2
Dude did you watch the video? He literally talked about that for a good 30 secs...
@@ultimatesunriseto be fair the guy put a bad tittle on the video, but clickbait is always better than regular title.
He named the title like that so more people will click on it out of curiosity
It's a flop worse than Concord in terms of player count. Concord is still the flop to waste the most money, but LEGO Horizon is worse in that this is freaking LEGO, and Horizon, and yet it couldn't get as many players as Concord
When I first saw the reveal trailer for this, my immediate reaction was:
“Really? They think that Horizon can carry a Lego game all on its own??”
Guess they were very, very wrong.
What? Are lego games some sort of masterpiece in game design, lore, and gameplay? They're kids games. Horizon is a strong enough IP to have 2 multi-million selling games. Wtf do you mean it can't carry a lego game? That's not as prestigious of an accolade, being a lego game, as you think. There's also nothing really wrong with the Horizon Lego game either. It's not broken, or glitchy, or anything like that. It's just the Horizon Zero Dawn game scaled down to the bare minimum to fit the Lego template and made to appeal to children. That's it. This story isn't even newsworthy. Looking at steam player numbers means nothing for a multiplatform release.
@ I’m sure Guerrilla Games and Studio GOBO will note your high praise when the Sony axe-men come for their lack of performance.
@@zztzgza I mean what’s the age over lap of kids capable and smart enough to play Horzion, and understand it’s plot that are aren’t in the rebellious teen phase where you try to not associate with anything that may make you look the slightest bit childish? In short, the target audience was from a game with a majority adult audience, and before you say what about Batman? Who on this green earth hasn’t heard about the caped crusader?
Also I am convinced that Sony is trying to buy Fromsoft’s parent company off spite alone because of Eldin Ring stealing the show from Horzion 2’s release
@@zztzgza Horizon is an M rated game. Lego is PG. There's a bit of a difference here. Sure, it's made to appeal to children, but then there goes your established player base. A dinosaur themed Lego game isn't unappealing, but you see how little Horizon is involved here.
It's a fine enough game, it's just not Superheroes, or Wizards, which is where Lego games are usually themed.
@@AusSPum buddy, horizon is rated T for teen tf are you on about 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It isn't just that they diluted the Horizon experience, they did the same on the Lego side as well. Where is the shower of studs from breaking everything in site? The collection of playable characters? The collectables? There is a template for this sort of game, and they didn't even try.
I liked the LEGO Star Wars original trilogy well enough but have yet to finish the LotR trilogy. I 'tried' the Harry Potter one but lost interest quickly. Either the LEGO style is for you or it isn't. It became stale for me personally as an older gamer. The humor is fine but the gameplay became tedious and another 'skin' wasn't enough.
It would have been smarter if they did a "Sony Lego" game with all their IPs mashed together and maybe have Alloy be the lead character.
That's because its developed by a different company.
@@GMStarworld Fair enough, but it doesn't change the fact that the Lego gameplay side of this game is lacking. If there was a "Lego Game" trope they couldn't use, they needed to replace it with something else. They didn't, and the fame feels emptier for it.
I’ll give you a shower of studs
Sony would rather waste milions of dollars rather than making a bloodborne remake😂 (not even a souls fan but cmon i think it deserves a remake.)
Scuttlebug says its internal politics, Sony studios are primarily western development and they have a lot of influence in Sony Interactive entertainment which is the Japanese branch of things, the western branch is afraid of loosing influence over the direction of the company if the more Japanese and eastern games are made and sell really well. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica studio, Gurellia games, Insomniac games. All of them are afraid if the focus switch’s to a Japanese primary focus they stop getting blank checks for the development of their games. Or worse their franchises are put on hiatus causing them to have mass layoffs. So the western studios are doing everything they can to sink and sabotage any possibility of Japanese first party Sony games being developed and one of the things they railroad hard is stopping a Bloodborne remake/remaster/port
This ties in to Sony trying to purchase Kadokawa (the guys who own FromSoft) this is a push by the Japanese branch to have something that they can bring to Sony Electronics (the parent company of Sony interactive entertainment) and say “hey we have this company that made Elden Ring, that sold more then anything the western devs made let’s try more of this” it’s all power plays
Bloodborn is basically Elden Ring tho, no?
@@Al_Lergicthing is there isn’t a financial mandate to make it, if the Japanese branch manages to buy out Kadokawa there is a financial mandate to have a return on investment, if Sony was to buy them they would be considered to be failing the fiduciary duty to shareholders if they spent all that money and did nothing. They would be forced into making games from FromSoft.
As it stands right now all that can be done in regards to Bloodborne is for Japanese branch suggest doing it, and the American branch going “…..nah we don’t think it’s a good use of money to invest in making a Bloodborne remake”
And use their influence inside the company to spike it.
If Japanese branch can wrangle this purchase of Kadokawa to the tune of probably billions of dollars Sony would be forced by investors to either utilize Fromsoft….or liquidate it, and if they tried to liquidate it investors would see them dissolving fromsoft a company that made one of the best selling games of the decade, and would have a corporate malfeasance lawsuit thrown right into Sony Interactive entertainment lap
@@Al_Lergic bro no. They completely different
I have to wonder what this game's reason to exist is. It's a Lego video game based on another video game. Lego Star Wars was at least based on a movie series. But if I want to play Horizon, I'll play Horizon.
Dude, don't be such a LEGO hater.
@@HolyCross9 Dude, don't be such a LEGO lover.
@@HolyCross9sorry mate but Lego deserves the hate. It's not the friendly company anymore it was 15 years ago
I was wondering the same thing, that was a stupid move to make that.
I think the intent was to get kids into the series. It seems like they’re putting a lot more resources into the horizon franchise and they probably want to get kids into it so they will eventually try the actual games.
Horizon doesn't have the reach of the other IP made into Lego games. Things like DC, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, had multiple years of cultural/commercial attention across multiple mediums with multiple significant characters to focus on. Horizon is known as a single player video game series, with a single character focus, that doesn't have "casual audiences" awareness. Lego Horizon just doesn't indicate a mass general appeal.
Edit: And "account requirements" outside the Steam Platform is a tedium of its own.
Very much this. I can't name a single character outside of the protagonist, whose name I only know because she appeared in Death Stranding and Monster Hunter World. Meanwhile I've never seen a Star Wars movie but can name and-or identify at least 10-20 characters, locations, or quirks/traits.
And horizon is sorta niche even in its own circle. Just ain't gonna work unless they make a Lego game with every popular sony characters.
Horizon also has the curse of ALWAYS releasing at the same time as a far more interesting AAA game.
That doesn't affect indies, but horizon is a AAA.
Waiting for Marvel lego 3 for Years now
Its also just not the classic style lego game people wanted as we havent gotten one since TSS
Sony: "Hey Playstation fans! What kind of game would you like to see?"
Fans: " A new Jax & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Tomba, Syphon Filter, Parappa the Rapper, Twisted Metal, Primal, Puppeteer, Motorstorm, Jumping Flash, Resistance, Ape Escape, Legend of Dragoon, or Killzone please?"
Sony: Here's a lego version of Horizon!!!
Sony seems obsessed with making Horizon a big thing. They tried it with Genshin a few years back nobody really hated it cuz nobody cared enough _TO_ hate it and now this. Don't get me wrong, its a fine couple of games (if a bit average) and they had their time in the spotlight but it seems Sony just can't accept that its was just that: A time in the spotlight.
It's because the Playstation fan base overhyped everything and makes it seem like Sony makes the best games ever, then when it comes to actual sales they're always under projection.
Even as a hyper fan of Horizon myself, this absolutely confuses me to no end. They should have shelved this and i hope they shelf the multi-player game too
Horizon never really got it's time since they keep releasing alongside bigger more popular titles.
@@zacziggarot Sony shot themselves in the foot twice in exactly the same way with their release dates, and I can only conclude its because of their arrogance.
Please, please, please look up Hermen Hulst. He is the reason Horizon has been forced down our throats
Reminds me of the time when Aloy came to Genshin Impact. The general consensus was a shared "but why?" And to this day she is the least played character ever, to the point that when people make popularity lists they disqualify her. Same thing here. Nobody cares (except those few people in comments who say they care. Good for you, happy for you ;) )
Genshin impact may look lighthearted on the outside by the inside. It’s very dark the lore and everything feels m rated than for teen for t
@@kevingame3198 I mean, so does Horizon.
That's more because she's a terrible character though, too weak
@@holo1560 She's not that bad, and works pretty well as a Quickswap Cryo nuke and battery. It's just that she's super neglected, has a 4 Star characters stat line, and doesn't even have any Constellations released to give her kit the same kind of oomph that every other character in the game gets from their constellations, which is especially falling because HFW had a ton of abilities that could have served as inspiration for her to her a decent upgrade.
@@playahsan The "but why?" was pretty obvious, though, since not only does she slot into the Genshin lore and setting better than pretty much any other Sony character except maybe Kat from Gravity Rush, Horizon Forbidden West was about to release so this was them marketing that game on another major game that had a similar target demographic.
Horizon is never beating the industry plant allegations
I'm thinking that the low Steam numbers might have been in large part because Sony requires a PSN account to play the game, which was something that pissed off a bunch of Steam players when they temporarily implemented that to Helldivers 2. This would also lock out entire nations where you can't get a PSN account, IIRC.
It's definitely one part of that, the other is that it's a game nobody asked for. But the whole ps subscription requirement is such bogus when psn has the worst security constantly getting hacked!
Cap.
If this was really a problem then Playstation would not exist still.
Other countries can make accounts under eligible countries.
It's Night time as I'm typing this and Dad of Boi 2 has over 3k players playing right now.....
Nobody really wanted this game and honestly; who even knew it even came out?
@@SeraSxF Region lock is a thing. I have a US account in a non-PSN country. I still can't buy the game on Steam. Personally I had no problems with the requirement of a PSN account since I have one despite in an unsupported country. Now I'm locked out due to that reason. Can't buy anything from here. Guess our plight isn't a big deal since it doesn't affect PSN countries so what do they care? Best thing I've read when this thing exploded was "just move out of the country".
I have all the games I need on PC. Sold my PS5 because it sat on my shelf for 2 years only playing FFXVI which I can now play on PC. Have no interest in console exclusives.
Nobody asked for this lol
Exactly!
I never asked for this.
Bring back Deus Ex!
I disagree. I enjoy both the Lego franchise and the Horizon franchise... I was actually excited for this
I don't think anyone even knew it was happening.
Pc doesn’t like PlayStation as a whole this isn’t a surprise to me 😂
Sony massively overrates how popular horizon is as an IP
"No, it's the gamer's fault for not wanting a female lead character" executives who haven't touched a videogame since arcade Pacman probably 😂
@@ElectronicShredder That's probably not it champ lol
@@superupscalerboybut it’s still the cope snoys will use
sells millions of copies so no they dont lol
@@imraw17 yeah bro it’s totally gonna be the new Star Wars/Harry Potter
I honestly would've been down for a Lego God of War that pays homage to the original trilogy. Classic GoW is so gory and silly, it would've been funny to see all that violence contexualized through Lego animation and sound effects. That, or just Lego PlayStation in general cuz who in the world was dying to play Lego Horizon!
Great, now I'm imagining them trying to make comedy out of the sex scenes...
@SakuraAvalon make it the first rated M lego game. But instead of the characters having sex off screen they build lego versions of iconic God of War landmarks off screen with the moans and qte's still in tact😂
Dont expect wokes and sjws to be competent.
@@hermitcard4494 cringe 😬
@@SushiGhost97 Either that or they do it through implications, like it cuts to some people erecting a pillar, and you do the QTE's to raise it up.
Star Wars has fans from all ages, Horizon does not. Same goes for Marvel, it has so many projects for adults and kids. Horizon does not and doesn't have the same number of fans. This is coming from a huge fan of Horizon who also had no interest in this game. Considering how dark the lore for Horizon already is, why would I play a kid version of it and what kid wants to explore this franchise? Know your audience.
It's not even comparable. Star Wars alone is a 45+ year old massive international multimedia franchise which has set records over decades and has fans who have never existed in a world without it. Movies, shows, video games, novels, comic books, toys, more than anyone could keep track of, brought back across multiple generations. Only a few other franchises come close to that level of saturation, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Pokemon, Marvel, some manga/anime, and few have its longevity.
Horizon is a first party PlayStation game from one console generation ago and its sequel, known only to PS4 & PS5 players, that are not even 10 years old. It's not the same ballpark, it's not even the same sport.
@@mediumvillain you just agreed with the commenter but said it in a different way. GG.
Just remember concord cost $400 million
They should’ve just done like a “LEGO PlayStation”, putting all kinds of IPs in there. But then you might as well just make a “LittleBigPlanet 4” or something, cause they already did it with that. But they could make another one.
Or something that stars a cute little robot that pilots a spaceship that looks a lot like one of the Big Three consoles...
LBP was killed for Astrobot.
@@CommanderKappabut they made Sackboy
@@CommanderKappayeah and thet game slapped the fact it got a game of the year nomination is crazy l.
The closest thing we ever got to LBP4 are Dreams and the Sackboy game
I've never seen Sony spoon feed an IP as forced Horizon has been to the public. I almost never hear anyone talk about Horizon to begin with but they keep pumping it in any possible playstation bundle, sale, commercial, that's available.
I've heard it is a decent game series, though. Meant to get it myself on PC, but now that the Remaster is only available with a PSN account, I decided against it.
@@123Suffering456 The first game is absolutely fantastic and Easily one of the most compelling stories on playstation (in my opinion). I haven't played the second yet but I do plan on it and am Excited for it. The lego idea could have worked, but clearly they did it wrong. which is sad.
I legitimately tried playing horizon zero dawn on 4 different occasions and I could not get past the first few hours. It is easily the most generic and boring PS IP I’ve ever played. The game is beautiful and I understand why some love it, but it really doesn’t have much going for it that Sony thinks it can create all these spin offs and remasters
Horizon games are great. Such an interesting and unique setting with a decently strong story.
The lego game was definitely overpriced tho
@@123Suffering456 To be honest remastering a PS4 game is straight up retarded, I played the OG version and Forbidden West on PC and both games look great.
Sony, come here.
Stop trying to make horizon happen. Itll never be a spiderman or god of war.
I know what you're saying, but the sales numbers show that Horizon is a bigger seller than those 2 games.
@@arios1977 Because it comes bundled with a PS5
Sometimes when a HUGE studio announces a game out of nowhere. I ask myself “wow I didn’t know people were asking for this!”
Turns out nobody did
Gee, so you actually think game studios are required to ask you and other fans what you make before making games
@@junechevalier laughable hole in your argument, mate. 99% of games weren't asked for, ever. Noone asked for video games to exist, yet they exist. Also, the games people ARE asking Sony for are the oldest games they have, and the audience those old games were made for has outgrown them. Sony has to cater to a more modern audience whether you like it or not.
@@RealAuntDee Well if they want to, you know, make money, they might actually have to make something people are willing to buy...
@ 99% is a big number. Some games come out of nowhere and they are well loved, yes, but not 99%. Also most of those games which you think “come out of nowhere” have had showcases and people are excited about them. You just found out about them one day and be like “this came out of nowhere WOW”
Let me come up with an example: Elden Ring, people have leaked it many years before and many fromsoft fans were waiting for it, there’s even a channel dedicated to uploading every single day “until elden ring releases”
Baldur’s Gate 3 came from a well-known IP, with tons of DnD fans, and have been hyped up by fans of Divinity 2
Palworld came out of nowhere?? Nah, pokemon fans have been disappointed for years by Nintendo for the decline in their quality
@@RealAuntDee Ask? No. Observe. That's how professionals research about the market
Of all the series they could've Lego-fied Horizon was an extremely weird choice. Ratchet and Clank would've fit like a glove.
Or, and just throwing out ideas here, Lego Jack and Daxter. I gave up hope on it returning like old but it could be a way to bring the IP back from the dead in general.
I would love that. But that’s why it sucks this is a failure. If it was a huge hit it would encourage them to give the Lego treatment to other Sony franchises. Instead this will tell them nobody is interested.
That I might actually have bought. Maybe on sale, because I'm not made of money. Still, yeah, Ratchet and Clank would fit extremely well as a Lego game
@@ftrwrwbg More proof originality is on life support.
Exactly
Yep, saw this coming a mile away. This game is literally made for nobody. They aimed for right *between* multiple target demographics with this one.
Yong mentioning how simplistic, boring, and mind-numbing the game is is actually indicative of a larger problem with modern LEGO games. The Skywalker Saga is very hand-holdy. For example, a lot of the platforming magnetizes your character to the platforms and automatically sends you over to the next one with a press of the jump button, no moving the joystick required! Boss fight attacks are also extremely telegraphed, giving you too much time to move out of the way. These are just two examples. My little cousin who is still in Elementary School even said the game was too easy. I'm not asking for LEGO Dark Souls (unless...?), I just want them to be on par with their older titles in terms of difficulty.
Lego dark souls sounds legit
@@habijjjfr id play
Lego Dark Souls would be AMAZING. Slaying enemies and having them explode into lego studs instead of souls would be perfect lol.
Maybe if it wasn't $60, more people would've bought it
Wait $60 oh yeah that's a hard pass.
It looks cute and fun, I love Horizon and Lego games, but even $40 is a stretch
its 60$?? holy shit what were they thinking
I wouldn't buy it even for 10 bucks
The cost is $75 / £60 in the UK for the base game that's more than the original Horizon remaster it's based on £55 for the remaster bundle - at most it should be be in the $20-$30 range if it's that simplified.
Why does sony think Horzion is this huge game franchise?
Sony and 'making flops' 🤝 😂
That's what happens when you prioritize corporate greed instead of what your customers want
Sony has really really overestimated how much the average person cares about Horizon.
They gotta realize that to a lot of folks they're still just those folks who keep releasing next to actual generational defining titles like BotW and Elden Ring lol
They also did not consider than the Venn Diagram between people who like Horizon and people who like Lego barely has any intersection
@@d00gz_ Depending on when the game started development, they very well could have. The lego tallneck set came out in 2022, they very well could have looked at those sales numbers and assumed this was something fanes would want, as IIRC the set sold out almost immediately, and was hard to find for a time after.
@@d00gz_This is exactly the issue. Adults who liked Horizon, myself included, aren’t going to be remotely interested in a Lego game aimed at kids. Meanwhile kids are going to have no idea what Horizon is compared to the big film tie-in franchises like Star Wars, Marvel etc.
I can understand why they may think that the whole lego robot dinosaur thing may be popular with kids but you’re more likely to succeed with Jurassic Park for kids that like dinosaurs. The issue really comes down to the prior push for that demographic. Most of Horizon’s marketing has been towards adults. Also, aren’t most kids going to be on console? I see no way for the Steam release to suddenly be popular.
@@KleioChronicles all of that and the fact that (they wont say it but) it is a weed game, its a game designed to be easy to play while you are stoned out of your mind on the "spicy flower", think about it, it touches on autonomous robots living their own life which is at least 2 things that a stoned out person can think about,, 1 would offing the robots be a form for offing? you could argue that yes since they have a synthetic form of thinking which is a rather high level of living and making it so that their synthetic nervous system is destroyed would potentially be offing and 2 if humans are going extinct would "extinguishing" the robots be in the interest of the future life form that takes over after humans?
No one asked for a sequel for horizon
No one asked for a remake of horizon
No one asked for a lego game for horizon
"What if we release a slightly upgraded version of the PS5 and sell it at a huge markup?"
"What if we spend $200-400 million on a game that is going to be released in an oversaturated market full of free-to-play titles?"
"What if we take our Horizon IP - which deals a lot with heavy themes and complex mechanics - and make it into a family friendly Lego game?"
Now here are my questions: Who over at Sony is asking these questions? Who is answering 'yes' to these questions and giving away blank checks? Can we see those people fired and replaced with more competent personnel?
Nah, cancel, cancel, cancel
Cancel affordable consoles, cancel old IPs, cancel new games, cancel discs, cancel, cancel
This is not a bad resume btw for sony
Who is that? California people. Blue haired witches. That's who.
This started happening when sony became an American company when they shut down the japanese office
I’ll tell ya what Sony IP would sell really well as a Lego game…
…Spider-Man!
I'm amazed they haven't already.
I kinda want another marvel superhero’s game😅
I like the text suspense! A+
That's correct
Oh yeah! Imagine any recent Spider-Man game just copy-pasted into Lego format. Now that's a remaster I would love to see.
Literally never heard a word about this game same as concord.
To me it seemed like half a game. There needed to be MUCH more story, content, mechanics, characters, quests, puzzles, and collectables. On top of that was the price-tag, which was *outrageously* expensive for what it was. Do better, Lego games!
Tbf being outrageously expensive for what you get is kinda lego's whole schtick.
I feel the Same
It's way to dumbed down.
And i agree with others that this game should've been made open world at least
half a game is that half a game do i see half a game
@@bionichuteagain2583 To be honest, No.
The way it is structured, It looks more like a free to play mobile game to me.
My three issues with it:
1. The game doesn't look like a $60 title.
2. Literally who asked for this game?
3. This is a Lego game, but as far as I know, the game does not play like classic Lego games such as Lego Star Wars (the ones by Tt Games).
4. PSN required for singleplayer game :v
If PlayStation wanted to appeal to a broad audience, they could have done Lego Little Big Planet or a Lego Astrobot, maybe it could have succeeded in been somewhat of a family friendly experience.
This it appeals to everyone and has a cute character as a protagonist ts would have sold
Sony is still trying to make Horizon a thing. I don't ever see anyone saying this franchise is anyone's favorite, it's success can largely be attributed to it always been bundled with the consoles.
I liked the first game and thought it was fun. Not anything huge, but there was a solid foundation.
NEVER would I thought, nor feel, do I think its big enough to warrant the treatment Sony seems to be giving it
Dude, Horizon games sold more than the God of War games. It's not Sony "trying" to make it successful. It is a successful IP. You're just hating on it cause you saw others hating on it.
@@zztzgzaNah it’s weirdly not. The first one went completely under the radar, I myself discovered it months after release when I gave it a shot as it was on sale. As many other players I realized it was actually quite good, if not as polished as the stuff put out by bigger studios, but never would have bet on a sequel then.
That sequel did actually fairly well, and I think it’s a really good game, one of the few that was engrossing enough that I fully completed it, something I don’t do that often these days. But it’s still not that recognizable of a brand, and while I’ll certainly play whatever comes next to complete the trilogy, you don’t see the same type of impatience you see for the next Witcher or GTA.
Its my favourite current PlayStation IP. I still don't understand why they made a Lego game though
@@zztzgza It hasnt sold more than gow games, those sales numbers you saw INCLUDE the bundle editions, miillions of console sales that had horizon game included in the bundle. They count those, its very misleading.
I just *knew* something even less popular than Concord would come out. Didn't expect both Horizon and Lego to be attached to such a flop though.
Except that this is a Single player/coop game that does NOT have the budget a AAA would have (just like almost every Lego Game) and most people who are likely to play this game (the majority of them being preschool to school age kids) will not play it on Steam when they get the time, but on the Nintendo Switch or PS5 which, as have always said every time this comes up, does not have a real way to measure player counts
Steam numbers will never be an actual way to see if a game is a success or a failure. And that's even less of a case with Lego games since the target audience are the least likely to involve with Steam
Hopefully this is the last flop of 2024 cause man this is such a good game
lots of things less popular than concord come out all the time. the reason concord was remarkable is bc of the massive financial & time investment in something that flopped so bad
@@alpha34098 It's not in a vacuum though. Even if the the numbers were 20x somewhere else which is doubtful, it's still horrible.
Reminds me of Ice Cream and Pickles - Yum!
It's a shame because I would love to see more Lego games based on video games, but I want them to be good
Shit, 6 hours lego game dude? Lego's been lazy or what? I played Lego Star Wars and Pirates, those games occupy my childhood damn.
Well one important thing to note is that the other LEGO games were made by Travelers Tales. LEGO 2K Drive and Horizon Adventures are made by a different studio.
LEGO decided to branch things out with other gaming studios after the Skywalker Saga for more gaming variety outside of the LEGO TT formula. TT games still works with LEGO as they’re currently working on a new game, we just don’t know what IP it will be based on outside of it being “major”, but TT is no longer the only gaming studio working with LEGO.
the old lego games arent too long you know? they can be beaten in less than 10 hours
i also feel the lack of "game ownership" also plays a vital role in new games not doing so well lmao
I love how Sony has been trying to force Horizon as their flagship franchise for the better part of a decade now when there are so many better choices 😂
I'm surprised Sony is still not interested in exploring and remaking their other IPs such as The Getaway and SOCOM.
Modern day Sony always disappoints.
Oh wait, I went to the future and Sony did remake SOCOM for next gen PS and Steam (PSN required), but sadly since it's Live Service Online-Only and didn't have Offline mode. It ended up like Concord and The Crew.
"You'll own nothing and be happy."
Imagine everyone asking Sony to put out more adult, story driven titles.. Only for Sony to then put out a miserable, multiplayer hero shooter, and then a children's cover of an already existing game, with little to no emphasis on plot at all. Good job Sony, add it to the pile.
Again, just like Concord, "WHO is this FOR?!" As a professional game designer with just a modicum of experience in market research, I find even just the initial conceptual "elevator pitches" behind these games simply dumbfounding. I do not understand how these projects ever got off the ground.
I don’t think Horizon is a big enough franchise to justify this game’s existence. It’s not a Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter. Sony thinking they have a bigger IP than they actually do.
There trying to reach botw and it's sequel level they want horizon to be like Nintendo Zelda
I said this in my review on my channel, but this game honestly felt like another way for Sony to just monetise their IP instead of actually producing a fresh experience. I really don't understand why this wasn't open world because it totally could have beena really cool lego game, but because with average run of the mill linear level design, it really struggled to justify its existence.
LEGO fans probably aren't that interested in this franchise, and Horizon fans are more keen for an open world game and all the elements that made Horizon great. This didn't cater to anyone unfortunately.
It’s weird, ive played the first game and thought it was good but its weird that Sony pushes it more than Ratchet and Clank, Jak or Sly Cooper even at there peek
You're exactly right. The Horizon IP isn't popular enough, especially to the main target audience.
Add to that the high asking price and low lifetime of the game, and you've got a recipe for failure.
Even if it has gameplay issues, if it was a more popular IP and at a lower price, it would probably have been somewhat successful.
We really got a freaking Horizon Lego game before we got another Lego City Undercover game and that sucks so much
Sony thinking their franchises are this important is hilarious. And a $60 price tag you have got to be joking
Just update Lego Undercover from 30 to 60 FPS comeeee onnnn
If this game was open world like Lego City then maybe it would be worth it
bring back rock raiders :D
that shit was amazing.
Manic miners
is every console version of Undercover locked to 30fps? It's uncapped on the Steam version and it works great
It breaks my heart that they picked Horizon out of all their IP choices, considering the massive failure of this game, we can expect to not get any other mashup of Lego and another Sony IP. And I feel Sony will blame the audience and not the choice in picking Horizon for this first time mashup.
Amazing that they don’t do what people ask and then do what people don’t want and somehow it’s our fault
To be fair, I doubt most kids have a high end PC plus there’s the whole debacle with the PS Account requirement as well which I wonder if this game requires an account.
PSN Account requirement is keeping a lot of costumers away for sure.
Do you think this lego game in specific requirements THAT much power to run? and if they have that much power, why would they play the lego when they can play the og?
To those kids, they're either "What's Horizon?" or "Why play an offshoot game as Aloy when I can play a Zelda game AS Zelda?"
@@wolfboy527not everyone loves Zelda type fantasy.
Growing up, I’d have been much more drawn to robot dinosaurs than hyrule
Considering it has a switch port i dont think it need a high end pc tbf
They should’ve finished the Horizon trilogy and then proliferated into additional spinoffs
Horizon 3 is in trouble if they go with the wrong choice.
@@kamenriderovant9676 Yeah, better not.
This is basically that friend that’s like “I’m gonna start my own business one day” and to be nice you’re like “hey man that’s great, follow your dreams”, and then he becomes serious about it and it seems like it’s actually gonna happen so you start to kinda subtly suggest “hey maybe set your expectations accordingly so you aren’t disappointed” but now he’s committed. And then his plan fails and he’s completely distraught and you’re torn between wanting to comfort him, and saying to him “I told you so dude”
Obviously this video game was to enable the marketing for expensive LEGO + Sony IP merchandise. It’s never just about the games with Sony
AstroBot killed TWO Sony games
Most of the other lego games other than the skywalker saga have a lower than 1000 peak players from what I saw on steam charts. So why not compare it to all of them or am I missing something? Also tbf skywalker saga was their most ambitious one.
Sony: "We don't have any IP's that players want anymore!"
Literally anybody who has ever owned a playstation: "We want a Bloodborne remaster/port!"
Sony: "Good idea, lets try Horizon Zero for the 5th time in 3 years!"
And my parents think that wealth=intelligence.
The Marvel's Spider-Man 3 will be skipped by me due to what they did in 2.
But I've heard on good authority (the mainstream "gaming" media) that it was a really popular IP!
It is, but it's an IP with no appeal to the audience of a lego game.
Fact checked by the ministry of truth
They must use ign exclusively for their "market research"
I think it was a noble attempt, really. The sci-fi elements of Horizon do mix well with Lego and crafting, there’s even a Lego Horizon set.
But the thing is… the Horizon duology is not a juggernaut of a franchise as SCE wants to convince itself it is.
I would’ve believed more successful Lego Uncharted, maybe Lego MGS, and maaaybe reconsider Lego Tomb Raider, but not Horizon just yet.
How in the fucking world does a game like this sale at 60, but concord saled at 40? HOW!? Sony could've put this at 40 and maybe this could've had a better chance then concord, but for this to be 60. OMG sony was SO asking for more money back after concord.
Probably getting there money back
@ in the worst fucking way possible.
Sell and sold.
I'm the most surprised with this. Horizon is already a pretty miffed franchise to people, and Lego also usually piggy backs off the major brands. I wouldn't really call Horizon a brand on the same caliber as Star Wars or Marvel.
Plus Lego is usually more kid friendly, but Horizon is a more mature game. It's a really odd mix. It's like if Dead Space had a Lego game.
Wtf?? Horizon is not popular, nor has it a large variety of characters, enough to justify adding it to LEGO games
4:10 Do you really think is a good idea to project a FIRE on your windows?
Even as a Horizon fanatic myself, literally none of us wanted this
When will Sony realize Horizon is borderline mid.
Outside of the Lego Skywalker game, none of the Lego games really have high all time peaks at all, after that it's Lego Marvel Super Heroes and that didn't hit 6000, Skywalker is an outlier.....Horizon is doing bad but it is also the weakest IP out of what Lego games usually are
Sony: “Hey, guess what!”
Gamers: A Bloodborne remake?!
Sony: What? No, stop asking for that. Instead here is something you didn’t asked for!
Gamers: Pass.
Sony: *Surprise pikachu face*
Lego Bloodborne would be pretty funny not going to lie
Only neets are clamoring for bloodborne
I'm not sure why they thought everyone was clamoring for more horizon content
I really can't blame sony for this one, if Lego asks if you want to make a Lego horizon game I would also say yes even if it I know it isn't going to do the best.
did really lego asked for this? Seems more like something sony would ask for.
@toongrowner1 yup in an interview with Lego and Guerrilla games, Lego went to Guerilla games and asked if they wanted to do something, I imagine it was after the Horizon lego figure came out
>isnt going to do the best
Massive understatement
There’s no way, lmao and Concord was already setting up such a low bar hahah 😂😂
As someone who’s been a PlayStation guy since I was a kid I’m disappointed in the lack quality in games on here compared to the ps4
This is what happens when you lean too much onto a specific formula.
You see... Ever since the last years of the playstation 3 hardware, They went heavy on this cinematic driven story games. Grew a new audience with it while ditching another (The ones that loved PS1 and PS2 flagship titles and what playstation stood for as a company) So when you make a game that does not fit with their long-running formula plus a very uninspiring and far from iconic franchise, That's the result. Also, I don't think there are many fans from horizon which actually bought the game, Most players obtained through console bundles and PS+ Subscriptions.
Perhaps Guerilla should've learned from TEAM ASOBI and realised the old playstation games philosophy were simply superior. ASTROBOT sold really well despite also not being a part of their current formula. Should've revived killzone when it had the chance. At least I know it would fare much better than this game.
Must be the second most boring Lego game, just behind whatever Fortnite is attempting.
A new Gravity Rush game would’ve easily performed better than this… honestly who the hell asked for a Lego Horizon game?
I don't really know anyone who cares about the Horizon games. When i think Lego games, i think big franchises, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Batman and things like that. Horizon is just nowhere near that level of popularity and im guessing this is why people aren't buying it.
Edit: i just checked on Steam, $109 AUD and it requires a PSN account!!!! What the hell were they thinking? Ive bought a few of the Lego games in the past and ive never payed more that $60 - $70 for them, usually you can pick them up on special under $50.
$109 is ridiculous.
Lego Concord: hold my beer
I actually wanted to play this despite not knowing anything about Horizon but knowing how pricy it is just made me reconsider it entirely. Sucks cause I thought it looked fun.
Ok, when a Lego game based on their amazing IPs didn't gave them a lot of money despite such a thing being lego game's big perks, I think Sony needs some help.
This one wasn't developed by TT games, THE lego devs we know, rather by the same studio of Horizon
@Mohmar2010 Ah, I see. Still, between this and Concord, Sony desperately needs some major help!
Sony Games doesn't need help. They need to fire their current board off directors rather than putting the blame on the lower rungs.
It wouldn't surprise me if this was a much bigger hit on switch, than on the more 'discerning' pc market
Maybe? horizon hits more like something only ps and pc players know about than switch players so if they buy it is more like because it's lego name than the horizon name
@@chrisb.2028I don’t think this just needs IP recognition… I imagine this will have a lot of holiday gift giving, of cool robo dino lego game.
@@chrisb.2028 so 1: it's a Lego game, which makes it one degree of separation away from PC gaming, and 2: it's horizon, which makes it now two degrees since we tend to avoid that franchise. unlike Lego Star Wars complete saga because it's a Star Wars game and people on pc are more ok with that franchise
We all saw this coming. No one asked for ANOTHER Horizon game and a Lego game at that
If this game was $5-$10 none of this would be a problem. Why get this game when you can get The Witcher 3 for $10, Bioshock collection for $20, etc.
Ok the game was overpriced but if you really think this game is only worth $5-10 new then you’re just clearly a hater. The games you mentioned are old af, no matter how good they are. People want new experiences too. Plus people that would’ve been interested in this type of game except for price might not be interested in those, I mean it’s CLEARLY targeted towards kids. You’re speaking from your own bubble. $30-40, 50 max would’ve been way more reasonable and realistic
@extra4542 yeah but it's still a matter comparison and I was pointing that out.
I think this is overpriced as well but you're comparing apples and oranges here. You're comparing a new game aimed at kids to 10+ year old games aimed at an older audience.
I think it's more that star wars is a massive IP, they made a big IP into a kids game, how many parents have heard of Horizon?
I'd say very little, and after all they're the ones that buy the games.
Is anyone sick and tired of companies trying to Legoify anything that’s popular? It was fine with Star Wars, Batman, Indiana Jones, and Harry Potter. But overtime it got really annoying to the point it’s not even needed, especially when movies tried to do it. Having a Pharrell Williams documentary be turned into a brick animation rather than live action was kinda of a weird decision if you ask me.
Sony back at it again with failing to read the room.
"Lego Horizon"
In all honesty, did anyone really ask for this?
Did anybody even ask for a second Horizon game? Lamo
Just your usual 10-20 contrarians whenever a game flops.
The game only features 4 playable characters when usually Lego games feature a larger roster. Even if they were to limit it to Horizon Zero Dawn they could’ve included characters like Vala, Bast, Nil, Avad, Marad, Ersa, Sylens, and especially Talanah. They could’ve just also included stuff from both Zero Dawn and Forbidden West and its cast of characters too.
Horizon is not as great a franchise as Sony thinks it is. Nobody is clamoring for a Lego version.
Horizon is that game “people” seem to talk about, but I’ve yet to see anyone actually play.
Same. I've never seen anyone actually play the game.
@@k3salieri I think the original release rode on the high of Breath of the Wild, people bought the game but few really played it. Now Sony has pretty much gaslighted themselves into thinking the franchise is bigger than it really is.
Seems genuinely overrated relative to its cultural impact.
Then you’re just not looking. This is such a dumb comment
I refuse to believe anything can do worse then concord