Sam Tells Tuld He Wants Out Of The Firm | Margin Call
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- Sam tries to talk Tuld (Jeremy Irons) into letting him have his financial options so he can leave the firm.
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There simply are not enough movies with Jeremy Irons in them. Dude's so good.
He takes an awfully long time to chew that one mouthful though.
Pity about his wardrobe fail: button down shirt collar, crumpled/badly ironed cuffs with buttons (Wot, no expensive cufflinks?)
@@jasonlofts3928 He's not a director, nor is he responsible for the wardrobe.
@@jasonlofts3928actually, you'll find alot of older people in those higher positions don't dress that well. So it's probably accurate.
@@keinguyen3380 From Tailors with Love (A blog, vlog and podcast dedicated to men's cinematic style and costumes) disagrees: QUOTE Not sure about the button-down white shirt. It could be explained that he [Tuld] has been called into a meeting at 4am, and this was probably the only shirt available. He should be wearing a better dress shirt. UNQUOTE
Tuld saying "I need you to stay with me for the next 24 months" at the beginning is a psychological ploy that I was taught when I was moving up in management years ago. Saying 24 months instead of 2 years makes the timeframe sound less daunting to the subject - they can tick off the months one by one every time they flip the calendar. And saying "I need you to stay with me" makes the person feel necessary and gives them a sense of partnership, whether it exists or not. Whoever wrote this script understood the higher workings of corporate America to a T.
I always thought the higher number made it sound worse, but, yes, it makes sense.
Dude 24 months is a shit ton of time. No one thinks that’s nothing.
That sounds like bullshit lol. Which makes sense if it was preached by people who have made management their calling.
Absolutely true.
@@karlaxel7358 24 months of what is to be his final working months is not that long. 24 months is not that long in general.
Here I am again, watching random clips of Margin Call. Knowing that even thought I've watched the scene 100 times, I'll still make my way back to the 'Sell it All' scene.
Today
If I made you, how would you do it?
The fact that he answers rather than saying no is the reason he wants him to stay on another 2 years by the way. He can't make him. He could've said no. He didn't. He's a good soldier.
Tuld downplayed his intelligence but already knew what his plan was before he asked Jared. Hence the just be first line. Love this movie
It's the boardroom scene for me i love this film and the big short
Explain it to me, like you would to a little child. Or a golden retriever.
Tuld doesn't outright say it, but his list of financial crises over the centuries is why he was never concerned about Sam's moralizing. Back in the board room Sam was adamant that "you'll never sell anything to those people again!" Tuld is subtly reminding him here that yes they will, because the machine will put itself back together and as one of the survivors they'll still have a piece of it.
"Those people will have *gone* Sam, there will be new people to replace them"
Tuld has accepted that destroying peoples lives is inevitable. As long as we live, we take resources that other life forms need. I know when I profit from an investment, I'm taking somebody else's loss and most of the time I'm not concerned if my profit is somebody else's rent money
@@rogerm3708 Until you get a revolution. The french went through 4 of them before they got their govt act together.
If you burn enough people they will butcher you and everyone you love
I love how Sam saying “I need the money” at the end just shows that Tuld was right when he said “we can’t help ourselves”. Brilliant movie.
And also it's after Tuld says "It's just money", and yet Sam is an immediate example of the many people who are willing to do things they know are wrong for just a little more money. It really shows the power of money, and absurdity/hypocrisy of the line "it's just money".
Essentialy it also shows how pathetic Sam is. He doesn't want to quit, he wants to showoff.
Think the ending implied that Sam had been through a divorce, so probably did need the money.
Mo money mo problems
@@tomd2103
And the dog
the way he says "1987 didnt that fucker fuck me up good" kills me every time lol
Jeremy Irons is a superb actor, he gives a masterclass in each scene.
I think my favorite part of this is how quickly Irons pivots to facts, and in doing so displays an impressive intelligence. That he could rattle off financial collapses dating back to the 1600's almost effortlessly appeals to logic instead of emotion (since sam was already emotional), and at the same time shows how Irons manages to continually do what he does. In his mind, its cyclical. We do this to ourselves. The added note of, "that fucked me up good" when mentioning '87 is an great subtle appeal to sympathy as if to say "Ive been on the other side of this". The whole speech displays an almost soft callousness to what they just did that doesnt come off as cruel so much as "this is just the way the world is, and we came out on top of it this time". Really well done.
“Pragmatic sociopath” is the best description of Irons in this
"In his mind it's cyclical"
Oh but it is......
@@r-e1862 exactly it!
Yeah - and it's the truth - and we will never change. Communism also had fat cats and starving dogs.
In contrast to the senior partner meeting where he says “…it wasn’t brains that got me here…”
Jeremy Irons is just flat out amazing. Watching him, his small gestures and expressions, and listening to his voice and the dialog. Just amazing. And doing it while eating.
Almost. He wipes his nose frequently. It's a sign he's excited.
He ‘s brilliant. They all are in this movie.
He's not really eating, but does a very good impression of it.
“You’ve been doing that every day for almost 40 years Sam” damn that gives me chills. Just cause it was obvious that day doesn’t mean it’s not all greed the other days. Incredible
1637: Tulip mania Bubble
1797: Panic of 1796-1797
1819: Panic of 1819
1837: Panic of 1837
1857: Panic of 1857
1884: Panic of 1884
1901: Panic of 1901
1907: Panic of 1907
1929: Wall Street Crash of 1929
1937: Recession of 1937-1938
1974: 1973-1974 stock market crash
1987: Black Monday
1992: Black Wednesday
1997: 1997 Asian financial crisis + October 27, 1997, mini-crash
2000: Dot-com bubble
I was just curious 😆
now.........
My divorce 1995
@@LarryDickman1 Sorry brother...😟
Thanks for the compilation.
Earlier in the film Tuld says “ it wasn’t brains that got me here” 😂😂😂 this scene shows just how smart he is 👍 fabulous script BTW
He means "books smart". He has guile and personality and wisdom.
@@timb4248 He very obviously is "books smart" judging by the way he speaks and by his profound knowledge of financial history.
But he isn't as smart as the ivy leaguers surrounding him. That's his point. @@Bailiol
@@timb4248MIT isn’t an Ivy League….so is the rocket scientist now not smart?
In my experience, only people that are very intelligent tend to belittle themselves in that way. People that are actually dumb tend to be very self-conscious of it and go out of their way to either hide it or become very boastful and aggressively defensive if feeling attacked on that front where they are weak.
Probably one of the only people in America who was disappointed to *keep* his job from 2008-2010
@@callumcawcaw8695 that was never *explicitly* stated in the movie
@@callumcawcaw8695 but in the end of the movie they already put out like 90% of dog shits. How come it went brankruptcy ?
Well at least he needed the money just like everybody else
Irons calmly eats his lunch, a lunch most of us couldn't afford, for him an everyday occurrance. Part of the brilliance of this scene is the capture of the clink of the silverware on the plate. No panic, no anger, no despair. Just another lumcheon.
It also shows the difference between the two characters. One is as hungry as ever while the other is sick to his stomach and can barely stand the sight of food.
@@Shane-un8pe True. Irons' recapitulation of human financial disasters is one for the ages. It's a recognition of the human condition from what can only be regarded as a sigma male outlook. It's his view of the inevitability of it all that I find so striking. Cycle after cycle, all based upon human arrogance and greed.
We must be born-again to make it to.
Yeah for real. I get hungry watching this scene. The way he eats and the sounds of everything is so perfect. It actually makes you understand the difference between the ultra wealthy and the poor.
@@richardgladstone8975 Every little detail in the film is perfect. There isn't a frame, scene or a cut out of place. It's one of the reasons you keep watching it again and again. Masterpiece.
"Pieces of paper with pictures on them so we don't have to kill each other to get something to eat"
Its a Little More complicated than that but yes, money Is imaginary.
I like how his recital of the years financial crisis shows how much tighter the loops are coming.
Well, not exactly. He skipped a few in the middle! 1893, for example.
Irons is so great in this scene
Indeed
@@alvarorubenvera5915 I like how Tuld is Palpatine, Jarad is Anakin and Sam is poor Obi-one trying to do the "right" thing...
Classic.
Born to play this scene
Looking back, in 2008 it took the markets only about 18 months to return to their former level. Tomorrow there will be some great bargains for the survivors to pick up. Both Tuld and Sam know that in the extra 24 months he stays, Sam's options will likely become more valuable than they had been the day before they popped the bubble. And the beat goes on. Great scene. Great movie.
What you fail to mention is that most people were out of work at that time. I was 19 when the 2008 crash happened. I was competing with 40 year old factory workers for the few jobs left. Most people didn't have money to "buy the dip" the only ones who did were the ones that the occupy wall street movement was fighting against
Anyone else notice how Tuld sniffles/scratches his nose several times throughout the film. My guess is it might be an allusion to cocaine use, a habit he probably adopted over a long career on Wallstreet, and now as an older executive he still uses it occasionally in order to give himself the energy to crawl out of bed at 3am and go be an energetic leader.
Tuld's words may seem shallow and cynical at first, but they are also an indirect reminder to Sam that his career so far has basically been nothing else than playing really high-stakes poker against other brokers and try and put them out of business to keep the personal revenue coming. It's a merciless business and one wrong move can be devastating to your career. He had no quarrels with that so far, so it's irrational to start having them now when he basically did what he was doing anyway all this time, just because this time he had to do it in its most severe form.
You'd think Sam would understand this after 34 years with the company, but no. From a purely practical point of view, he may indeed have burned a few bridges by going along with the plan, but saved his job and income as a result of it. The only difference on that day is that he got rid of years' worth of bad stock in just a few hours, thus drawing the rage of some bankers and dooming many more of them. And if it wasn't him doing that, some other bank would have done it the same thing to them not long later. And then he'd be screwed.
At least he admits in the end that he will stay only because he's in need of money (he came out of an expensive divorce, which explains his situation). Of course Tuld doesn't care why he stays, so long as he does stay. As he says after this scene, they'll need all the brains they can get now, which is also an indirect compliment and recognition to Sam by the CEO.
Sams conscience caught up with him. For 40 years of working with the firm he knew it was b.s but it was a way for him to keep occupied especially when his relationship with his wife was falling apart. When they divorced he had to stay with the firm to pay for the lawyers and 1000$ a day to keep his dog from dying. When his dog does die he literally has nothing in his life except his job that is now falling by the wayside literally overnight. He knows what hes doing is wrong and keeps on because ironically after all these years of making money through scamming others (basically white collar crime) he has no money himself (holes in the ground to show for his work that was about lying) In the end of the movie the irony is that he is digging a ditch to bury his dog and while his wife is concerned she has clearly left him and he now has nothing.
@@kevinfernandes1882 Great analysis. But disagree on the firm's b.s here. Sam works in sales and trading at an investment bank, they are a crucial department that keeps the market efficiency going. Market efficiency is what maximizes the value of everyone's money and investments. Yes you have to screw the people on the other end sometimes, however, you have to act in the best interest of your shareholders (the shareholders of Sam's firm); remember another scene when Sam says "for whom?" when asked by the rocket scientist if Sam believes he is doing the right thing (Sam is doing the right thing for the shareholders of the firm whom he has a fiduciary duty for). TDLR Sam did nothing wrong and his work is relevant to keeping capitalism going. Also, to add some perspective, I work in risk management at a bank.
ExPeNsIvE DiVoRcE - stated as if that is an entirely normal thing.
I think the key difference is this. Like you said...it was a high stakes game of poker. But until then they were unaware of what the other players were holding.
In this situation they had clear view of everyone's cards. They knew how badly their trades would damage the people buying. But like they said in the movie. It was sink or swim.
@@kevinfernandes1882 I always read the scene as a temporary attack of consciousness (tied partially to getting his *** handed to him as a result of the sell off).
When you are "winning" in life, it is easy to ignore the moral implications of the game you are playing. When the game isn't going your way it's easier to dismiss the game to protect your ego. In the same way you might ask yourself "Why am I wasting so much of my life playing this stupid video game," only after you hit a point in that game you can't get past.
Of course Tuld read Sam like a book because as much of a pragmatic sociopath that Tuld is, he knows that Sam isn't all that different from him.
One of so many powerful scenes in this flawless movie. Keep watching all those clips over and over again...
I’ve never watched this film but I have seen basically the whole thing through UA-cam clips 😂
To come up with a speech like that on the fly - that’s why you became the boss.
And to know that Sam just wants to be morally superior. "If I made you, how would you do it?" And it gets done just like that.
But his speech wasn't even good from a practical, manipulative point of view, it was just revealing and disgusting. The reason Kevin Spacey's character continued with the firm was because, as he said it, he needed the money
"it's just money"
I think about this line a lot. Not in this context, of course. I don't have that luxury. But when I listen to my colleagues complain about having to work to their bones without having time to do anything else, I just bring this line up and gauge their reaction to it. Gets me a pause and an interesting conversation every time.
I, too, would like to say something incredibly obvious about this scene and get everyone to like it with an over the top compliment. Brilliant movie.
hahahha
All the complaments of Irons are spot on. He was great in this.
Brilliant Acting by two Greats. This exposes the attitudes and mindsets of the 'elite' who are like sharks in a tank constantly watching each other, so can you imagine how they view the mass of people 'outside of the tank' who they exploit to satisfy their own greed and egos.
Spacey is always amazing. I don't care about his personal life. And Jeremy Irons is a legend.
And Spacey did his part without even saying a word
Curious, if you don’t care about accusations of pedophila, what do you care about.
Not really judging but trying to get a barometer on humanity.
Must be fair and say I was taught to care, but maybe, just maybe, my teachers were wrong.
But fear not, I can do no harm as I have retired 40 years of helping sick children.
@@miguelservetus9534 I think he was saying he didn't care about Spacey's personal life when it comes to enjoying his movie performances. I would agree. Should Spacey face the consequences of his actions? Yes. Should he face punishment if it's deemed appropriate? Absolutely. Does that stop people from enjoying his performances? For some yes, and for some, no. I would be in the no camp, but it's for each person to decide for themselves. Not because I approve of Spacey's actions I don't - but because when it somes to actors, I'm not interested in their personal lives at all, I'm only interested in what they do on screen.
@@miguelservetus9534 I care about proven facts .. In today's world, accusations really mean nothing and can very easily be grounded in something entirely different and here, Spacey was acquitted on all counts but you still bring it up and stick that label on him like it's nothing. The man's career is ruined, he was cast out and put in the pit on the accusation alone and you are part of the problem with that response. It looks like you are on the side of "guilty until proven innocent, but even if shown to be innocent, we'll stil hold the accusation against you".
I think Jeremy Irons is one of the Greatest Actors of all time!! Watch his facial expressions & his hand movements!! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
It's him or the other guy.
24 months line got me. In sales if your pushing a big ticket item you say the smallest term like 6 years if you’re selling a car. Never say 72 months. If you need to bump someone in payment you say in weeks only 15 dollars a week. These subtleties make a huge impact psychologically. Kudos.
Shouldn't he therefore have said 2 years?
@@blackcat4859someone else mention this above, but 24 months psychologically makes more sense, since it Sam’s hired on he can tick off each month of his term. Counting down 24 months is easier to track than counting down two years
Months are fewer than years. 2 years is a long time. Months, psychologically, works better.
The relationship between Tuld (Irons) and Sam (Spacey) is the most interesting in the film. Spacey is the only one to address the CEO informally. He also seems as old or slightly younger than the CEO but much older than everyone else in the room.
As if Sam is the only one for whom the Peter Principle will never apply because Tuld knows never to promote him past at what he's best, like James T. Kirk being a starship captain.
I'm convinced that the look on Spacey's face beginning at 1:00 is the look of genuine stunned admiration for Jeremy Iron's acting.
It's amazing how we never actually see Irons put food in his mouth.
they were on take 63, catering had run out
You generally don't want to show the audience things actually being consumed because then you have to worry about two things: continuity in shots (because how much food was in the last shot that showed the plate?) and the actor getting sick.
A scene might take days to film. The actor is going to become disgusted by whatever they're eating and/or you're going to have an absolutely retched spit bucket because they only hold the food long enough to say their lines.
The guy who did actually eat & drink on a TV series set .. James Gandolfini bloated up so much that it cost him his life!
The real challenge this movie presents is to identify and work through the various manipulations and lies that are thrown against the characters and us, the audience, which reflects real life.
I love this scence, as it shows so much about corporate America. The CEO of the firm and his most senior trades guy are featured, because this whole sell-off came down to them. Tuld shows that he truly has no conscience and does not give a shit at all about the devestation he has wrought in that 8 hour period, in fact saying that he's feeling better about the whole thing - of course he is, now that he's out of the shit. And Tuld correctly tells Sam that he's not going anywhere because Sam is wrong - they will sell to these very same people again, because this is the biggest grift of the milennia, and the people involved just can't help themselves. Tuld knows he still needs Sam's know how and connections to keep his sales and trades in top shape, and Sam is one of the winners Tuld talks about, even though Sam hates the taste of it.
They didn't wreak devastation. They didn't "kill the mrket", as Sam says in another scene. They simply recognized before anyone else that the market was already dead. If they had held onto that worthless paper the crash would still have come, with exactly the same consequences. The only difference would have been that they would have gone down along with everyone else. None of this is ever caused by one company or one decision.
Phenomenal movie with phenomenal actors
“I didn’t get this job because of my brains.”
*proceeds to rattle off every global financial crisis of the last five hundred years off the top of his head*
Or maybe by his standards his intelligence is average compared to his other set of skills, like persuasion or situational awareness
He never said he was dumb.
Necessary vs. sufficient condition. They all got brains in careers like that. What they don't all have is a ruthless machiavellian willpower. This guy can bankrupt a million people and sleep like a baby at night, that's why he's in the big chair.
Understating one's own intelligence as a means of disarmament and flattery is very common amongst the most successful people.
But, I'm no rocket scientist, what do I know?
2 of my favorite actors. I could listen to a conversation between Jeremy irons and Kevin spacey all day long.
One of the best films ever!
Get ready for the 2023 version!
Yep
people were ringing the danger bell since 2005...But it happened in 08
GME buy, drs, repeat
This is the portion of the film where any moral ambiguity is set to the side - Tuld lists off 15 other recessions and basically tells Sam: you can either profit off this like you always have, or you can get out - but you can't pretend to take a moral/ethical stand if you do because you've been complicit for 34 years. It's also notable how quickly Tuld goes back to his crossword when Sam starts to leave (clipped from this, shouldn't have been). He has absolutely no discernable high conscience or any moral dilemmas to be pondered. Phenomenal acting by Jeremy Irons.
The CEO never did anything so terrible as to require Jeremy Irons in the role. 🤣
Brings back bad memories 😢
Hearing this made me gtfo bed this morning
Love this movie
Thats what im going to tell my landlord when im short on the rent this month “ Relax its just money”
I wish real-life financial folks were as erudite as the J.I. character in this scene. In my experience, most of them are just juvenile, narcissistic a-holes, talking about nothing else but the best hotel in town. If there's any philosophy to be gleaned from the world of finance, it certainly doesn't show in the sad characters I've met in that world. I'm not a socialist or anything, but the system just sucks, and it produces sub-par humans without any sense of dignity. Hell, one of my team "leaders" literally ate his own boogers. Our quant was crying her eyes out every night, after a 16-hour shift, because the numbers didn't make sense. He just gave her a good dressing-down, on top of that. Finance reserves the reputation it has. It's not really the people's fault. If you throw six digits at a 22-year-old, s/he will inevitably go haywire. Trust me, I've been there.
J.I. is the top. One doesn't get there without being erudite. As he himself said, he didn't get there because of his brains, he can assure you. The top position requires a command of languge to dazzle people with bullshit.
You don’t have to be a socialist to realize Finance is made up of subhuman scum, that’s called common sense
I'm trying to figure out if I should teach college kids My capable stock strategy I built across 3 years in the Marines as a finance Marine, for free, and stories like this make me want to say f it and give all my secrets away so wealth building isn't reserved for sub class humans like that
The smartest thing I ever did was avoid this world. I could have been sucked in, but chose not to. I had the background, the gifts, the incentives, but said no, and am glad for it.
@@marktaylor6491You have my sympathies. The draw is very strong. To resist it takes a lot of strength. I wish you all the best for whatever you've chosen to do with your life.
Master class in acting
I just noticed that's a $25 bottle of Chianti on the table. Could've sprung for something a bit more fitting for the scene!
there are some damn good wines for $25
Given the circumstances, probably appropriate. (He had said he'd have to pay, so maybe otherwise Latour or DRC because cutting back.) And he's probably having only a glass.
$25 retail $125 at a wall street cafe on the 55th floor
It's wine, it's made up, it's just fermented grape juice with a pretty label on the bottle!
@@chickenringNYC nice
Really enjoyed this movie. I know it’s Hollywood but it seemed to really capture something.
I’ve now watched half this movie in YT clips.
"it's just money"
that's such a great portrayal of how detached people at the top are, no idea about normal people's livelihoods, the shit they have to go through over the next period. The way he oversimplifies just like a person that has never wanted for anything in his life. These people exist and this is exactly their attitude.
It's the way you feel about money when you have plenty. Once you have no money it is everything.
ordinary people's lives aren't that big a deal. It's all bareable, because there's no way to not bare it. And if you have to not just suffer, but die, well, that's doable too
This scene reminds me of the scene in Wall Street where bud fox confronts Gordon gekko about the yard sale at blue star.
The dwindle is the perceptive difference
2 accounting
I could be reading too much into it, but I always took Tuld's rattling off of historical financial disasters as evidence of a private, classical education-i.e., a quiet indication that he probably came from money to begin with even before he was running a company of this size. And that in itself would have a lot to do with his perspective on money and the right or wrong of it.
Sam: I want out
Tuld: [Makes speech]
Sam: OK I don't want out, but not because of your speech
Fuck, watching Tuld rattle off those numbers with NYC in the background it's like watching a cinematic history lesson. All of a sudden everything he's saying makes perfect sense and he's right, we can't control it and we're all along for the ride. Which side of history do you want to land on?
The right side? Maybe thats the one that doesnt massacre millions of people with poverty and job loss?
Boss asked me to stay for 12 months and I ended up staying for 12 years. Finally sent quit notice via whatsapp using a prepaid card number while boarding for a flight to Reykjavik. What a great feeling.
Such an under rated movie.
“I need the money” is the sad, desperate and horrible reality of it all. It’s absolutely true. Something like a $300k basic salary, full benefits package and over $1m bonus and LTIPS in a very good year for the firm and it’s still not enough when you are in that life. It just creeps up on you.
Saddest part of that was him saying I need the money after all this time I need the money
He knows you need the money.
The greatest voice in acting since John Caradine
Sam's resigned weariness is well played by Spacey
I've probably watched this scene 50 times since this came out, and I'm concerned because I'm starting to view the world more like Tuld
Welcome to the real world
It just means you view finance objectively and without the barrier of moral complexity. The best players in top finance firms don't care about the every day person. It's about winning
@@therealestg9 Idealism isn't a bad thing. It helps keep the world in order IMO
I guess if you are soft-spoken and highly articulate, you can say really callous and evil things and get away with it.
I love this movie- using Lehman Bros as a template.Jeremy Irons is an absolutely badass actor who just nails this role!
01:32 the expression of : im eating dinner with the fucking devil
Part of the irony that makes this scene so sad for Sam is that when Tuld diminishes moneys value by reducing it to paper with pictures so people can eat, Sam is forced to admit that even after 40 years of making gods of money, he too must eat.
Who chews a bite of food for 3 minutes? :D
To be fair the pig who provided that food was tougher than a board of directors resisting proper regulation. 😉
2:10- Spacey looks like a Lollipop Kid from Oz
The biggest irony is that everything he said would be just as great an impetus to leave, just as it is to stay.
Iron's Irony
Jeremy Irons stole the whole movie with his performance. Enigmatic from start to finish!
Irons is a beast
This scene is one of my favorite things humans have put to film.
We really can't help ourselves, it's not a politics problem, it's not an ideology problem.
It's a human nature problem.
I like how rambles on with the years …. It’s important to have a sense of history.
Wealth is multigenerational. At some point, several people across multiple generations have to drag themselves into work every day for a lifetime and manage to save something to pass on. Then factor in all the life circumstances that can just wipe people out. Tax. It's no small thing.
It dawned on him he was being given the same pitch he gave his employees.
One of the great films about Capitalism and how the world works. Best acting by a group of actors assembled - so good
Pueden traducirla al español?
can't hear it!
He said he needs him for 2 years just because that is how long it takes to find a replacement 😂
More likely he doesn't want him speaking to anyone.
1:36
years ending in 4 and 7 are brutal
I'd got out of finance a few years before the crash and as an analyst I and my colleagues could see this coming. In fact everyone in the business knew it was going to go pop. Unfortunately those at the top didn't care.
Heck, I was in grad school for my MBA (2003-2007) and even us dumb students saw it coming. We were even taking bets on when the market would turn...
So you made a fortune by betting against the housing market, since you absolutely knew?
@@orlovsskibet You can short sell, be right (even on the timing if there's a short squeeze or something), and still lose money. Also timing is hard, remember the saying "the market can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent".
"I need the money" that sounds so true even though I wonder WTH these people do with their salaries.
It’s mentioned in the movie that he’s going through a divorce
@@pejpmReally? at which point? I thought he was already divorced. Given the end, the conversation with the ex wife while burying the dog.
@@puturro to me the fact that he was back at his old house to bury the dog seemed to imply it was somewhat recent. Even if it wasn’t that recent, I assume he meant the alimony payments. When high income people get divorced it’s not usually a case of making a payment and walking away.
@@pejpm yeah most likely
1:37 2027 probably is gonna suck
i dunno. maybe they would argue face to face, maybe they would just send email.
The image of Irons with steak bottle of wine showing he lost absolutely none of his appetite, while Spacey just sits there with nothing, is such a hillarariou visual representation of power distribution between them. Sam had no chance.
And it is beautiful to see why, I mean look at how Irons sells it and keeps pivoting to other approaches as they are shot down
- it was dificult (empathy)
- you did good (appeal to pride)
- could have been digging ditches (appeal to greed?, self preservation)
- stop feeling sorry for yourself (changing desperation to anger)
- and finally tire him out with logic it has happend before and will happen again
The guy who did all the job to save the firm comes high to ask for money, and the one in charge of giving him or not is eating there…
The rattling off of historic market crashes almost gives Tuld a diabolical touch, albeit an aloof, neutral kind of malevolence. As if he were a devil among mortals who just got used to their patterns of self destruction, patterns no infernal agent had any hand in instigating, he just idles away and bets as if it were a cointoss, knowing his fundamental understanding of human behavior and greed will always ensure he is several hundred steps ahead of the game.
All I hear is that this economic system is wrong.
What movie is this?
margin call
It was like hot potato. Everybody kept taking on these bad loans and they would just immediately sell them to the next guy, collecting their fees, and letting that guy deal with the ticking time bomb. They knew eventually somebody would have to pay the piper, but at least it wouldn't be them. They made their money and got those loans off of their books, so who cares? Turns out they were completely right. It ended up being the tax payer who ended up having to pay the bill in the end, because as I said before, somebody WOULD HAVE TO PAY. And it wasn't them.
Kind of like crypto currency…..
@@larryo6874I don't think crypto victims will be bailed out by the tax payer...
Why did Sam say he needed the money? He divorced, alone, 40 years of savings, received a generous check and could've received his options and a bonus? So, why? What am I missing?
Maybe he wasn't saving as much as he should have? Plus he was spending a small fortune trying to save his dog.
@@JimmySteller When my first dog got sick I was ready to move heaven and earth for her. 3 weeks later I got a phone call while at work-Liberty was dead. Shattered my heart.
@@JnEricsonx My condolences for your loss. To be clear, I wouldn’t judge someone for spending money to give their pet whatever operation they might need.
@@JimmySteller Yeah. Losing her on my birthday....crying my head off. Got my second dog barely a month later when the universe basically went "our bad" and found a ad for Lab puppies in Liberty, NY. Was hauling ass for 2 hours after that, had her napping in a little crate next to me soon after on the way home. I miss Bella too, she lived to be 12.5 as of Halloween 2021. My 3rd dog is fine, she a little over a year, and right now sleeping on the couch.
The second sentence you typed is contradictory. "He's divorced with 40 years of savings." That's not how it works.
Watch the last scene of the movie. You'll see the reason why he needs the money. Who do you think pays for that house?
What's awesome is tgat we coukd swap their roles and tge still would be great.
Anyone recognize this restaurant?
They use same tactics in loans. They never say how many years a loan is. They throw in number of months.
I mean he was brutally blunt about it, but hes absolutely right. The percentages always stay the same. This movie makes me really miss Kevin Spacey.
And this is why I'm a simple, humble, self-employed musician, and I always will be. I could never be a part of this "Wallstreet world". The backstabbing, the embezzlement, the fraud, the scheming, the sell-outs, the corporate greed, the justification of dishonesty... It's horrendous!
Though I have to say that the acting in this scene is superb!!!!
Never tell someone what you need. They will use it to control you.
pffft, don't be such a hyper vigilant new yorker
We all need the money. That's why they call it money.