Yeah! It tells the story that the guy blabbed the whole meeting to his wife, Bartlett's daughter, to get her to leverage her relationship with her Dad against CJ. Tells all that with just one short repetition of a phrase! Very good writing!
Sorkin or whoever really did create some character arcs. It seems like he uses cliches as a means to quickly convey character experiences and the meat is how the character dealt with it.
You know full well Doug went home and confessed to Liz straight after meeting CJ, and did so in a smarmy "you have to talk her back round - it's for the kids" way.
And he gets his ass kicked on his own merits. Then in my (and everyone else’s) canon post-show, Liz and the kids leave him and she ends up running for the seat and wins it. Roll credits.
Liz is doing what so many women do when they’re married to mediocre men. She’s building him up when she’s the better candidate. Jed so much as told her that but she’d rather prop up a mediocre man to make him feel better. God bless her.
Yesterday Trump appointed a Chief of Staff who is the first woman appointed to that position according to the media. I feel she is the second and has some learning to do from CJ. And apart from being female, the rest of her resume is far too dark to risk being thrown off UA-cam (again...and again) for even bringing it up. "where have you gone... Claudia Jean... our nation turns its lonely eyes to you... woo woowoo"
God Liz was an idiot. One of my least favorite characters on the show. Its like she inherited only the worst parts of her parents. All of Abbey's attitude with none of the wisdom, and all of Jed's ego with none of the intelligence to back it up.
So I don’t like Doug, but I’d have really liked Liz to win here, to force CJ’s hand. I feel like Liz is everyone’s victim here and I’d really like to see her flex her political muscle
Eh... Those aren't political muscles, that's proximity to power. Politics is getting what you and your constituents most want and allowing compromise of the stuff you don't care as much about, so someone else's constituents get what they want. Power is getting what you want, and to hell with everyone else's needs. Policy is having the right processes in place and adhering to them so as much good happens for as many people as possible (so, clearly, that's the most rare of the three). She married a smooth talker with a good head of hair and a jaw line and was astounded to find out he knew that about himself and knew other women liked it, too. I see a woman who got what she wanted and realized it wasn't good. I've always wanted what's best for my kids, but this scene and talking about it shows how much some people can get warped by that into trying to drive situations for their kids, not realizing it is destroying the things they want. Their kids could look up to their dad if he was a janitor and a good man, and they will look down in him if he's a bad man even if he is President. Him being a success is for her and her friends, not for her kids. She shouldn't've gone into CJ's office, and if she had pushed the point, she would've proved that her dad was a better man than her husband by saying "no".
@@gmh471says the guy calling people bad writers and bad actors under the anonymous cover of a message board If you don’t like the series go watch euphoria or whatever the fuck, leave us alone
I hadn't noticed the mirrored language and phrasing in both encounters before, that was a nice touch.
Yeah! It tells the story that the guy blabbed the whole meeting to his wife, Bartlett's daughter, to get her to leverage her relationship with her Dad against CJ. Tells all that with just one short repetition of a phrase! Very good writing!
I think I do… I think you do, to.
That CJ look of death 0:16. You know she was thinking "im about to eat this bastard for lunch and dinner "
Man! Cj just owned this scene and some 1000 scenes in the west wing! I am so glad they made her the cos after leo!
Sorkin or whoever really did create some character arcs. It seems like he uses cliches as a means to quickly convey character experiences and the meat is how the character dealt with it.
@@grt49er Sorkin left the show after Season 4, so the writing credit goes to "whoever".
I think by then the characters almost wrote themselves.
Liz was far too eager to bring her father into her family scandal. CJ was 100% in the right.
You know full well Doug went home and confessed to Liz straight after meeting CJ, and did so in a smarmy "you have to talk her back round - it's for the kids" way.
It's CJ job to protect the President. Even if that puts her against some of his other family members.
You don't cheat on the president's daughter!
The 82nd Airborne reports to him.
…and expect him to back you up
The President’s daughter was fine with it
@@shaungains3558sadly realistic
You don't cheat.
On anyone's daughter.
Are we clear on that?
Ah yes, the nanny problem.
The Jude Law!
@@Kate-lk6twdon’t forget Jerry Seinfeld too.
CJ is totally badass. Don’t mess with her
Doug's reckless behavior ruined any future butter festivals.
And he gets his ass kicked on his own merits. Then in my (and everyone else’s) canon post-show, Liz and the kids leave him and she ends up running for the seat and wins it. Roll credits.
Wanna watch that!
SEQUEL!!!!!!
Liz is doing what so many women do when they’re married to mediocre men. She’s building him up when she’s the better candidate. Jed so much as told her that but she’d rather prop up a mediocre man to make him feel better. God bless her.
The best part of the whole scene was CJ telling Josh to go to hell.
CJ’s role is to protect the President and the agenda of the American people. And not embarrass or humiliate him because of a slimy Son-in-law.
If only Elizabeth Bartlett wanted to get into politics. She has the killer instinct, unlike her smarmy husband
Yeah, everyone on the show said she inherited a lot of what made Daddy Bartlett a boss.
I never understand how people are attracted to guys like him.
It’s a case of a very smart woman marrying an inferior man and trying to bring him up to her level when she knows it’s a heavy lift!
@@TheJeanean He knows how to say what people want to hear.
Integrity in the White House? Imagine that!
It's there now, screw-ups, gaffs, and support for Israel notwithstanding.
Which is why the show really fell into the Science Fiction category.
Then maybe YOU should talk with your father about your husband running for public office.
Right? Contrary to what Liz thinks, her father's administration doesn't work for her.
Oh, yeah, it’s HER job! Get out.
You know that was hard for CJ she was always closest with Elizabeth
What is the bet this hasn't happened before in real life?
Oh, I hated this character sooooooooooooooo much.
That means he was effective!
@@geoffoldread7684 Oh yeah, I'm not hating on the actor.
@@geoffoldread7684The actor, yes. But Elizabeth Bartlet would not have married this guy.
Yesterday Trump appointed a Chief of Staff who is the first woman appointed to that position according to the media. I feel she is the second and has some learning to do from CJ. And apart from being female, the rest of her resume is far too dark to risk being thrown off UA-cam (again...and again) for even bringing it up.
"where have you gone... Claudia Jean... our nation turns its lonely eyes to you... woo woowoo"
Consequences for your actions. Wish we had that in real politics.
IDK who decided to do this to Doug.
God Liz was an idiot. One of my least favorite characters on the show. Its like she inherited only the worst parts of her parents. All of Abbey's attitude with none of the wisdom, and all of Jed's ego with none of the intelligence to back it up.
Well put. When you're born into power, you really never get the feedback you need to understand good from bad,
smart from dumb, right from wrong.
In the longer clip CJ cons and lies to the daughter.
So I don’t like Doug, but I’d have really liked Liz to win here, to force CJ’s hand. I feel like Liz is everyone’s victim here and I’d really like to see her flex her political muscle
Me too… especially since Liz is supposed to be Jed’s successor - she is the political one out of all 3 sisters
Eh... Those aren't political muscles, that's proximity to power. Politics is getting what you and your constituents most want and allowing compromise of the stuff you don't care as much about, so someone else's constituents get what they want. Power is getting what you want, and to hell with everyone else's needs. Policy is having the right processes in place and adhering to them so as much good happens for as many people as possible (so, clearly, that's the most rare of the three).
She married a smooth talker with a good head of hair and a jaw line and was astounded to find out he knew that about himself and knew other women liked it, too. I see a woman who got what she wanted and realized it wasn't good.
I've always wanted what's best for my kids, but this scene and talking about it shows how much some people can get warped by that into trying to drive situations for their kids, not realizing it is destroying the things they want. Their kids could look up to their dad if he was a janitor and a good man, and they will look down in him if he's a bad man even if he is President. Him being a success is for her and her friends, not for her kids. She shouldn't've gone into CJ's office, and if she had pushed the point, she would've proved that her dad was a better man than her husband by saying "no".
1st viewing
First loser
Terrible dialogue, terrible acting.
lol what 😂
Let’s see your audition reeI Ioser 🤣
@@lzasnw You feel good about yourself calling another person a loser under the cover of a message board? Who's the loser?
Your comments show your negative dog shi 💩
@@gmh471says the guy calling people bad writers and bad actors under the anonymous cover of a message board
If you don’t like the series go watch euphoria or whatever the fuck, leave us alone