I am flying both the DJI V2 and the fatshark dominator HD and I really like the fat shark. admittedly I have a lot to learn as I am new to FPV but I am having an amazing time. I appreciate all the help from the guys at rotor riot for all their help. I like the fact that I have choices between the two and I enjoy having the option to choose whatever I’m in the mood for. Sometimes having a little pocket change is a great thing. Happy flying y’all
I really don't have that hate for RR like a lot of other pilots do but man this "review" comes off extremely bias. Check out JB and Steeles 1st impressions for more of an unbiased opinion. With that being said I'm happy to see some competition from a more FPV dedicated company. A win all around but this system is not compelling enough to swap out parts on a whole fleet of working rigs.
Seconded. I didn’t expect a fully objective review given the business affiliations, but I’ve always defended Drew and RR. Been a fan of both since like 2016, and I still am (kinda). I understand that sometimes a company needs to make business decisions just to survive. I’ve always felt that a lot of the drama that followed RR around was just overblown tribalistic bullcrap. …Buuuut it is admittedly a bit disappointing to see RR choking this hard on the corporate shaft. I’m truly excited about a DJI alternative, but twice the range of DJI? Cmon now man… hype much?
@@abertheham facts! All this aside I'm still a big fan of Drew. Honestly his freestyle is right down my alley, he's got that flow factor that's exactly what I vibe with. I'm a filmer/skater and to me personally freestyle is about connecting the dots not necessarily how many cool tricks you can throw into an edit and drew nails this style imo.
@@skydogfpv Oh for sure man - agreed in full. That’s why I got hooked on his stuff all those years ago and why I still watch his edits today. He can definitely fly, but as importantly, he’s always made it easy on the eyes. He had some really helpful trick tutorials and reviews way back in the day too. Damn near bought some OG Skyzones and a Spektrum radio (gasp!) just because he used them 😂😂
What are you talking about? We complained about the system not coming with antennas, not having built in rx, spectator mode not working, we said the walksnail antennas weren’t great, the screws are small, 25x25 mounting isn’t ideal… People said we lied about the DJI system when it first came out 2.5 years ago, too. Look how many people are flying that today. We always tell it how it is. Remember SharkByte? Same company. We didn’t say it was the best thing since sliced bread, and we didn’t switch. We told the truth. Wanted it to be great, but, it didn’t fit our flying style needs. I am a pilot first and will fly what is best. I don’t care who makes it, and I am genuinely excited about the potential of this system.
@@LetsFlyRC don't worry yourself with the naysayers. It's just mind bending how DJI getting 2+ years headstart, yet still many expect a new product to be exactly or better than what they have. Same people will sh&$#t on any new product, claiming how "great" DJI is, yet will in the same breath, complain why DJI has monopoly. Nobody seems to wanna give benefit of doubt for any product anymore. DJI was never great on day one. It took many firmware updates to get to what we have now. But nobody seems to want to see avatar hd evolve. It's just so counterintuitive
"It gets twice the range and penetration that dji gets" well this test could not have been more biased 🤣🤣🤣 cannot wait to to see tests from normal people not people pushing the name.
Other tests coming out are showing less range and higher latency (higher than shown in goggles) with what looks like micro stuttering and terrible compression. This 'review' is definitely a commercial.
Haha, yes... JB and Mr Steele's videos clearly show that this system isn't actually competing with DJI at all. As for the 1080p, it's purely a gimmick. Something they can plaster on the marketing material to make noobs think because 1080 is a bigger number than 720, it must be better. The 1080p mode doesn't bring any more quality than the 720p mode and the other reviewers prefer flying this system in 720p mode for the higher frame rate. The only saving grace is that this system is coming at a time where DJI are most likely bowing out of the FPV market, and heading in their own direction. Which means soon, DJI won't actually be an option for people moving from analogue to digital... hence Fatshark are stepping in with [currently] a system that's almost on par with DJI V2, but with hopes and dreams of surpassing the performance of DJI V2 with firmware updates and being a new system there's light at the end of the tunnel for future developments, better cameras, and in a few years a Fatshark V2 HD system for all the current DJI V2 users who can't buy anymore Air units/vistas.
Looking forward to DJI goggles V3, now that they made a transmission system that can send 1080P HDR signal over 4 miles. Realistically, anyone claiming to have better range than DJI is probably wrong.
Not bad, but Rotor Riot is owned by Fatshark right? So they won't ever tell you the negatives. This is more a fatshark commercial then a unbiased review. I'm not convinced yet, will be waiting on the DJI v3 before buying.
Just for clarification… Rotor Riot and Fatshark are both owned by Redcat Holdings (as are several other companies - most notably, Teal). Your point remains. This is just a biased - if not entirely misleading - commercial.
@@abertheham my point above was that we didn’t say that SharkByte (also owned by RedCat - at the time) was the best thing since sliced bread. We were honest. Just like I was about my current experience. Don’t believe me, that is fine. I’ll be standing next to you in the bando flying twice as far. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rotor Riot is financially bound to Fat Shark. So of course you cannot trust this "Review". So take it with a grain of salt and watch independent reviews instead, to decide if you want to buy. It's not a bad system for sure and looks pretty good, but still, just saying...
Comparing the imagery to the results we got from actual, real reviewers, the "Raw DVR Flight Footage" section must be a lie. We are being shown video from the onboard unit's DVR.
They're absolutely not showing what you will see following transmission to the goggles. They're showing what is being recorded straight to the onboard memory storage on the VTX. This fact alone proves the deceptive nature of their advertising. This should be a crime.
Just finish watching JB and Steele’s vid. This AD is misleading I think they’re showing the onboard (avatar) DVR footage not the actual goggle footage. It might be because of the environment that JB and Steele flew, but twice as good in penetration nah. I’m happy Vanover was not part of this video because this is not a review.
Wrong… My reaction was genuine. People said the same thing when we reviewed the DJI system 2.5 years ago. Called us liars. I didn’t say the Sharkbyte system was amazing, I was truthful. Same company…
Would the Fpv goggles be able to run analog also? Is it possible to get it to work without breaking it open? I fly a lot of tiny whoops that fly better without the added weight
With good patch antennas, a range of 4 km?! Yes, this is very bad, when flying nearby, the video crumbled so that the wires were not noticed and the drone was dropped .. on the analogue, it seems to me that it will be better. Guys, well, really .. even you greatly over-praised these glasses and show one thing and say something completely different. maybe will be program fix later, but right now ..
patch antenna isn't the generic term for direction antennas. the tiny ones you first used were patch antennas, the bigger ones are crosshair/pepperbox style antennas. keeping calling them a patch antenna confuses people for they will think patch antennas are good, where they aren't as good as the crosshair style antennas.
can i just say again, if you can afford to buy these and be that early adopter guy, you are helping the whole hobby and everybody in it from users to manufacturers. dji is amazing, this looks on par, remember dji was only 25mbs to begin with, so hopefully the additional features appear soon. its a hobby for tinkerers and we should all be very ready to allow manufacturers to tinker a bit too.
But you need to keep in mind dji was among the first to do hd fpv, it was expected by them to learn and improve. Fatshark has known what dji can do, and what the fpv community expects if they stand a chance to compete. 25mbps And high latency, and poor performance compared to dji/hdzero. There's no excuse to charge the price they are charging WITHOUT antennas, and the current performance. This is a rip-off if anything. 600 dollars for canvas mode and no antennas. Nah
@@holersh and oleds, i agree with most of your points, i dont think this is a rip off, unless you think the old analogue were also a rip off, no antenna and no receiver...... i suspect the profit margin for these new goggles is much lower than the older ones. you cheer everybody on in a marathon, but you cheer the fat guy on the most.
@@TheMadmacs sure, but the hobby has progressed enough for manufacturers to at the very minimum include antennas. And no, i dont cheer the fat guy in a marthon if he wants my money and isnt planning to better his ways
Distance Boiiiiiiiiii! Just ordered the Fatshark Dominator HD Bundle last Thursday, expected delivery next Tuesday. So interested in comparing to my analog set up. NOW HURRY UP AND RELEASE THE CL2 XR7" WITH THIS VTX!!!
no integrity in this review. Drew thinks he can spot ms of latency and then bardell shows its the same as DJI in low latency and actually mis reporting in 720 by about 50%
Fatshark goggles are allready tearndown and SOC was rebranded to VIRTEX5 stupid troling. Im so glad that i buy DJI V2 last week. I did almost make my biggest misstake and preorder fatshark.
Lost a little respect for RR after watching this video. Seems someone trying to pull a fast one on the community. Video footage absolutely terrible. Half baked goods that need to sit on the shelf until fixed right. Not investing in these until it can compete with DJI!
At this point in time, this system is simply not as solid as DJI, is more expensive, offers lesser video quality, uses a non-standard mounting pattern, and has higher latency (JB proved the values in the OSD are bullshit using proper testing methodology). Of course this video is simply an advertisement by Rotor Riot. I guess if you feel this system is so superior to the competition you should stop selling BNF quads built with DJI, and switch over to *only* flying with this hardware. Put your money where your mouth is.
This review makes me close to unsub the RR, you guys are soo cool but I'm so sad watching this after watching Joshua's review. As many other said the way Joshua did it is more convient and fair comparsion, something that this community have to stick to rathar than just selling products and not talking about Bruno ;)
I suggest watch their DJI FPV System review and compare it. I feel like they went backwards on this one lol. And for a range test DJI knock it out of the park it went twice as far(on stock antennas) than the avatar system. @LetsFlyRC c’mon man. DJI Video quality was way better. Clearly not ready yet why release it to the public.(it’s like a car manufacturer releasing a new car with no headlight on, and later provided when it’s ready with no time frame, you can drive it but you wouldn’t see on some other conditions). A lot of people expect it at least on par or better than DJI system.
They did not get twice the range xD, they got to 2.39 km, that's make 1.24 miles. The fat shark walksnail system did 1.8 miles, sorry buddy your got damn wrong and bear in mind that it is only the beginning, this is a new system, and also i don't understand why you are interrested in this system as you already own a dji system ? xD the vid if you want to verify : ua-cam.com/video/-MkVrdaZu4s/v-deo.html
@@calisti9308 i juste hate people that Say bullshit... Also it's really funny to see dji fpv system owner giving them self excuse to "not Switch"... Well you don't need to Switch, how much money do you have to be able to get two fpv system ??? I gess your richer then me, all of you.
When we are ready to stop fawning over the new goggle on the market lets look at some facts for a second. First of all it has been reported there is an error with the reported latency in the goggle OSD being off by several ms and confirmed under Bardwell's testing its actually coming in at 25ms at best not the reported 19-21 as repeatedly claimed. If this system eventually produces 50mbs, a 1200mw hack and audience mode, compared to DJI it still has a significantly smaller FOV, less FPS, less range (its not 13.3km) no on board SD recording, no 4:3 aspect, no control link, costs more, doesn't come with antennas 😂and has a proprietary video system and proprietary but currently unavailable VTX's with unique size configurations and impossible small screws. The engineers are working on a V2 goggle and vtx as we speak tho right?😳
I think the latency requires more in-depth testing. Bardwell tested at 240fps which made each frame 4ms. That makes the margin of error for that test 4ms and given that the latency figures were out by the same amount, we need a more accurate test to see the true latency figures. His test was fine for a rough estimate but that’s about it for now. At 1000fps it’ll be roughly 1ms per frame and give us a much better idea of the true latency.
They are owned by redcat which owns fatshark. They will claim honesty to the death of them but they are arrogant and out of touch. Bubby blew off my criticism from the bardwell video which shows dji doing better by saying "you fly hdzero so it all makes sense now". The mentality of these people is pompous and deceitful
can not be really called a review - more or less a sales or promotion show but lot missing and not touched enough. Canceled my order, will not get a dji and simply wait for a better solution. Another fake one considerin they called the latency being lower than dji and it is quite the opposite as Bardwell had shown. Why did Joshua only got 25 ms based on a highspeed camera he had been using on his desk with no distance between. VTX is not available and it is a project under construction.
@@sUASNews Somehow he had done it in anticipation on in that the night before released video. Mr. Steele did his video in a brand Ambassador style being so honest to tell viewers in that Video WATCH JB's video for technical details. Made me Smile for a moment and skipped his video to watch JB's again. Best of all: just 3 review units out View counters were 11 k JB, 9 k Mr. Steele and 4k for rotor riot 6 hours after Launch Not impressive for roughly 1 Mio subs ! Puts fpv in perspective being a small niche market
Hey friend, how are you? Hey, if you're more familiar with DJI, do you know if I can set up a freestyle with the F405 SpeedyBee boards or other esc and controller boards + DJI Air unit and use the Goggles v2 with motion2??? Thanks...
Same. With an arsenal of great quads all flying on DJI at the moment why on earth would I change them all to a slightly inferior more expensive system?
@RyanO I’m not sure if this was legit, but a while back I saw a video where the guy had a Crossfire module connected to the dji FPV remote v1 using the audio jack type port on the transmitter. Maybe that could be a solution?
@@MakoFPV don't like them. Way too many switches. I love the simplicity of the dji remote plus the ease of use. I got my son a mobula7 and jumper pro and it took 3 days before I figured out how to use edgedtx and elrs. And I'm still not sure if it's correct. Dji i can push a button and 100% perfect link.
@@watcanw8357 that could work. But at the same time no need to do the work if what I have already works. Id purchase the goggles for canvas mode if they were able to link to a dji vtx but highly unlikely to happen.
If it wasn't fkr rotor farts i might actually be interested, knowing you clowns, money makes you hype anything. Dji fatsharts snale is a more fitting name
dji = cool and tactical, it just works walksnail = cutsie shark on your head and some clutch sideflaps. it can go to 1080p AND add a little bit of latency
Way to go with the half hour commercial. It's great how money can influence how you represent a product. This is cool. It's not great. With Steele purposefully omitting the mention of HDZero and you guys basically endorsing the thing, I suspect the product needs biased opinions. I suspect they paid a lot of money just to look good while being a sub par alternative. Do not buy into this.
Agreed. Shawn had the gall the lie to me that he retested avatar vs dji around trees just cause of my post that ratios their post and said he does get twice as far with walksnail with better performance and said the system only blacked out on Joshua's video cause of heat protection mode which joshua told me was off for his test lol. And bubby tried to share his 1080p dvr with me claiming it looks great but he was fooled by the fact that the location was all concrete. Whenever you pause and zoom in you can clearlybsee everything was smeared. They limited comments on my post and made it so you can't post pics on the post. Then they claimed they aren't paid to promote anything despite being all owned by redcat lololol. They are purely dishonest people. Then they started attacking me cause I fly hdzero and said that my views "make sense now" . They really are arrogant people who are out of touch with normal fpv pilots.
@@jadoofpv3462 we got what we wanted right away. No bs like "we are working on it" like some of the other guys. Your making yourself look like an idiot
Needs some more work, blockiness of the video leads to crash. 29:42 utility pole guide wire visible, 29:48 what guide wire, 29:55 invisible wire reappears, 29:56 crash. I'm happy to see a competitor to DJI and hope that more development raises the bar. I personally don't like the stutter and delayed pixels that systems like this and DJI have and will personally stick to HDZero for racing and my flying style.
Hello! Super hd set, in my opinion it lacks an hdmi port (to use the simulators) and an avi port (like Dji allowing to fly in analog from time to time).
I bet some one will get the new fatshark system and cross compatible with the existing dji system and even the caddx vista. The two are so close to being the same hardware, we will see. I think it would be good for all HD systems going forward and give the quad builder more options. Hell I like fatshark but in the past all the goggles I have purchased from the ( hdo 1 and 2 ) dvr and the fan took a 💩 in the first month of purchase. I have 3 pairs of dji goggles and never have had not one failure and I have been using them from the first batch of the dji goggles sold. I can't stand to pay premium price for poor quality. I will wight and see more reviews in 6 months .
Not at all. This video wasn't impressive, didn't show any direct comparisons and just kinda seemed like hype. And the latency part is disingenuous. Saying you'll get 19-21ms latency on 720 and 39ms on 1080p without mentioning that's the fastest it'll ever be, but average latency is not that and the minimum number doesn't actually tell us anything of what the variability is like in flight. These are the same people that acted like school girls over the pre production version also, which multiple people ink ow who flew it told me it was not as good as dji not in image or performance. So then acting hype and making bold claims without any scientific testing or comparison just felt like one loooooong commercial. Dude said if he can fly through a tire 50 feet away behind a single think and broken down wall, that somehow means latency isn't an issue lol.
@@anthonyfpvminiquad1728 sure, absolutely. And it has a room for improvements. But my thought was, if DJI stop FPV tomorrow it won't die, it will live in this shape, will it be better or worse? Will see, but hd fpv won't die for sure.
Will you ever be happy with anything other than them purposefully setting the goggles on fire on camera while announcing that they are every single bit of the “bad guys” you imagine them to be?
@@djblack19 linear antennas are generally used on whoops and builds that are not going to be flown with much range. I would not suggest putting them on your goggles. If you are flying a whoop or something with a linear antenna then circular polarized antennas on your goggles will still do the job.
Looks to me like antennae choice makes a big difference. Bardwells review showed a really hazy camera in bright light and yours didn't so maybe a bad copy (camera) that he had.
Jeff Man, its been about 2 or 3 years. you are looking good these days. what did you do to lose weight? appreciate the help. had 12 vertebrae fused was 140 lbs before that for about 15 years. but now i'm up to about 175 lbs. wanna get back to 150 160 range. seems anything I eat all of a sudden I put weight on. anyways, take it easy. appreciate your time.
Dude this is not a review. Rotor riot and fatshark are both the same company - redcat. Get informed, watch the other reviews out there. What you are seeing here is not the truth. It's just a shiny advertisement.
Maybe. Assuming the goggles and quad are about 4' off the ground and the earth is a perfect sphere with a radius of 6,371 km, geometry alone says the quad is below the horizon at about 5 miles.
@@dieterweik6858 Come to think of it, hills or something else getting in the way seems more likely. I'll be honest here - I remember the distance to the horizon being roughly 4km for a 1.7m person. Why? Because there's a german song about that specific scenario. Knorkator - wie weit ist es bis zum Horizont. Was he wrong?
So I'll be buying DJI V1 or V2 now I see how this beta pos looks, cos it looks like a rushed through pile of crap for the money they want. Why couldn't they just wait and put out a finished product, after bytefrost I though they might have learnt a lesson.
![Freestyle with Fat Shark Dominator? [testing new Avatar HD firmware]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jiXEWYUuTfc/mqdefault.jpg)
OK, I knew this was going to be a promotion for Diminator HD, but I did not expect to see a commercial 😳 😅
It's kinda sweet, that Bubby calls micro cameras 'full size'
Somebody's got to show him FULL SIZE cameras and the frames we mounted these on.
Micro is the new "Full Size" 😅
I Can not wait for the EACHINE AVATAR system
I am flying both the DJI V2 and the fatshark dominator HD and I really like the fat shark. admittedly I have a lot to learn as I am new to FPV but I am having an amazing time. I appreciate all the help from the guys at rotor riot for all their help. I like the fact that I have choices between the two and I enjoy having the option to choose whatever I’m in the mood for. Sometimes having a little pocket change is a great thing. Happy flying y’all
this was just a 37 min commercial lol
I really don't have that hate for RR like a lot of other pilots do but man this "review" comes off extremely bias. Check out JB and Steeles 1st impressions for more of an unbiased opinion. With that being said I'm happy to see some competition from a more FPV dedicated company. A win all around but this system is not compelling enough to swap out parts on a whole fleet of working rigs.
Seconded. I didn’t expect a fully objective review given the business affiliations, but I’ve always defended Drew and RR. Been a fan of both since like 2016, and I still am (kinda). I understand that sometimes a company needs to make business decisions just to survive. I’ve always felt that a lot of the drama that followed RR around was just overblown tribalistic bullcrap.
…Buuuut it is admittedly a bit disappointing to see RR choking this hard on the corporate shaft. I’m truly excited about a DJI alternative, but twice the range of DJI? Cmon now man… hype much?
@@abertheham facts! All this aside I'm still a big fan of Drew. Honestly his freestyle is right down my alley, he's got that flow factor that's exactly what I vibe with. I'm a filmer/skater and to me personally freestyle is about connecting the dots not necessarily how many cool tricks you can throw into an edit and drew nails this style imo.
@@skydogfpv Oh for sure man - agreed in full. That’s why I got hooked on his stuff all those years ago and why I still watch his edits today. He can definitely fly, but as importantly, he’s always made it easy on the eyes. He had some really helpful trick tutorials and reviews way back in the day too. Damn near bought some OG Skyzones and a Spektrum radio (gasp!) just because he used them 😂😂
It’s an ad not a review
Then crashes into the cable that he wasn’t able to see from latency or that blurring effect?
Should be declared as “Advertising”
DJIFPV v3 goggles FTW! 😄
Damn, this channel is plummeting quickly into the shill graveyard.
What are you talking about?
We complained about the system not coming with antennas, not having built in rx, spectator mode not working, we said the walksnail antennas weren’t great, the screws are small, 25x25 mounting isn’t ideal…
People said we lied about the DJI system when it first came out 2.5 years ago, too. Look how many people are flying that today.
We always tell it how it is.
Remember SharkByte? Same company. We didn’t say it was the best thing since sliced bread, and we didn’t switch. We told the truth. Wanted it to be great, but, it didn’t fit our flying style needs.
I am a pilot first and will fly what is best. I don’t care who makes it, and I am genuinely excited about the potential of this system.
@@LetsFlyRC don't worry yourself with the naysayers.
It's just mind bending how DJI getting 2+ years headstart, yet still many expect a new product to be exactly or better than what they have.
Same people will sh&$#t on any new product, claiming how "great" DJI is, yet will in the same breath, complain why DJI has monopoly.
Nobody seems to wanna give benefit of doubt for any product anymore.
DJI was never great on day one. It took many firmware updates to get to what we have now.
But nobody seems to want to see avatar hd evolve. It's just so counterintuitive
RR is still around? I remember the good ole days when It was actually fun with the OG crew. Man how times have changed!
LOL 6:34 Drew says "And we can up your latency a little bit" as if that's a good thing.
"It gets twice the range and penetration that dji gets" well this test could not have been more biased 🤣🤣🤣 cannot wait to to see tests from normal people not people pushing the name.
Joshua tested it. It did worse in the car garage test lol.
Other tests coming out are showing less range and higher latency (higher than shown in goggles) with what looks like micro stuttering and terrible compression. This 'review' is definitely a commercial.
@@RecursionLabs ofc, what did you expect? 😉
Haha, yes... JB and Mr Steele's videos clearly show that this system isn't actually competing with DJI at all.
As for the 1080p, it's purely a gimmick. Something they can plaster on the marketing material to make noobs think because 1080 is a bigger number than 720, it must be better.
The 1080p mode doesn't bring any more quality than the 720p mode and the other reviewers prefer flying this system in 720p mode for the higher frame rate.
The only saving grace is that this system is coming at a time where DJI are most likely bowing out of the FPV market, and heading in their own direction. Which means soon, DJI won't actually be an option for people moving from analogue to digital... hence Fatshark are stepping in with [currently] a system that's almost on par with DJI V2, but with hopes and dreams of surpassing the performance of DJI V2 with firmware updates and being a new system there's light at the end of the tunnel for future developments, better cameras, and in a few years a Fatshark V2 HD system for all the current DJI V2 users who can't buy anymore Air units/vistas.
Looking forward to DJI goggles V3, now that they made a transmission system that can send 1080P HDR signal over 4 miles.
Realistically, anyone claiming to have better range than DJI is probably wrong.
Fun fact: this has the exact same range for audio as DJI!
You should mention you are a sister company of fatshark and this is extremely biased and yall are shilling for it.
i have been out of the drone game for some time. my boy vortex looks good! congrats on getting all fit!
Vortex you look amazing my brotha!! Whatever ya doing keep it up.
Thank you!
Not bad, but Rotor Riot is owned by Fatshark right? So they won't ever tell you the negatives. This is more a fatshark commercial then a unbiased review. I'm not convinced yet, will be waiting on the DJI v3 before buying.
We mentioned all the negatives at the end. My reaction was genuine.
SharkByte was also owned by RedCat…
Just for clarification… Rotor Riot and Fatshark are both owned by Redcat Holdings (as are several other companies - most notably, Teal).
Your point remains. This is just a biased - if not entirely misleading - commercial.
@@abertheham my point above was that we didn’t say that SharkByte (also owned by RedCat - at the time) was the best thing since sliced bread. We were honest. Just like I was about my current experience.
Don’t believe me, that is fine. I’ll be standing next to you in the bando flying twice as far. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rotor Riot is financially bound to Fat Shark. So of course you cannot trust this "Review". So take it with a grain of salt and watch independent reviews instead, to decide if you want to buy. It's not a bad system for sure and looks pretty good, but still, just saying...
Comparing the imagery to the results we got from actual, real reviewers, the "Raw DVR Flight Footage" section must be a lie. We are being shown video from the onboard unit's DVR.
They're absolutely not showing what you will see following transmission to the goggles. They're showing what is being recorded straight to the onboard memory storage on the VTX. This fact alone proves the deceptive nature of their advertising. This should be a crime.
If you try hard enough you can say great things about a hemorrhoids.
This video feed looks better than recent uploads.
that was great, thanks guys🙃👍, and ja Boi, Vortex great to see you again, and Dude, what's your secret, your looking fit AF👊
"Payed advertising"
Just finish watching JB and Steele’s vid. This AD is misleading I think they’re showing the onboard (avatar) DVR footage not the actual goggle footage. It might be because of the environment that JB and Steele flew, but twice as good in penetration nah. I’m happy Vanover was not part of this video because this is not a review.
Wrong…
My reaction was genuine.
People said the same thing when we reviewed the DJI system 2.5 years ago. Called us liars.
I didn’t say the Sharkbyte system was amazing, I was truthful. Same company…
@@LetsFlyRC im pretty sure that was before the red cat buyout of fat shark tho wasnt it?
Would the Fpv goggles be able to run analog also? Is it possible to get it to work without breaking it open? I fly a lot of tiny whoops that fly better without the added weight
You’re right Shawn. We don’t believe you
Who makes a 37 minute commercial?
Awesome video bros!...great info and incredibly well made! 🔥🔥🔥
Just got my Walksnail Goggles. Loving it! With a Moblite 7 💚
What lights and camera are you guys filming with? Colors look crisp! :)
You guys should have tested dji goggles next to the fatsnails on the range test.
There is a reason they didn't.
Yeah I'm waiting to see how this system improves. I like a lot of the features. On paper they are almost everything I've been hoping for.
With good patch antennas, a range of 4 km?! Yes, this is very bad, when flying nearby, the video crumbled so that the wires were not noticed and the drone was dropped .. on the analogue, it seems to me that it will be better. Guys, well, really .. even you greatly over-praised these glasses and show one thing and say something completely different. maybe will be program fix later, but right now ..
When you start to go overboard 29:00 people are less likely to believe you
My reaction was genuine. I have no reason to lie. I have 50 air unit/vista setups. Switching will be VERY expensive for me.
i sold all my dji quads and goggles and jumped onto the fatshark hd system!
patch antenna isn't the generic term for direction antennas. the tiny ones you first used were patch antennas, the bigger ones are crosshair/pepperbox style antennas. keeping calling them a patch antenna confuses people for they will think patch antennas are good, where they aren't as good as the crosshair style antennas.
can i just say again, if you can afford to buy these and be that early adopter guy, you are helping the whole hobby and everybody in it from users to manufacturers. dji is amazing, this looks on par, remember dji was only 25mbs to begin with, so hopefully the additional features appear soon. its a hobby for tinkerers and we should all be very ready to allow manufacturers to tinker a bit too.
But you need to keep in mind dji was among the first to do hd fpv, it was expected by them to learn and improve.
Fatshark has known what dji can do, and what the fpv community expects if they stand a chance to compete. 25mbps
And high latency, and poor performance compared to dji/hdzero. There's no excuse to charge the price they are charging WITHOUT antennas, and the current performance. This is a rip-off if anything.
600 dollars for canvas mode and no antennas. Nah
@@holersh and oleds, i agree with most of your points, i dont think this is a rip off, unless you think the old analogue were also a rip off, no antenna and no receiver...... i suspect the profit margin for these new goggles is much lower than the older ones. you cheer everybody on in a marathon, but you cheer the fat guy on the most.
@@TheMadmacs sure, but the hobby has progressed enough for manufacturers to at the very minimum include antennas.
And no, i dont cheer the fat guy in a marthon if he wants my money and isnt planning to better his ways
I wamt HDzero, still can't find local sellers
If analog 2.0 is your thing have at it.
@@creationlabsinc.189 Just bought a DJI, still can't find HDzero.
Distance Boiiiiiiiiii!
Just ordered the Fatshark Dominator HD Bundle last Thursday, expected delivery next Tuesday.
So interested in comparing to my analog set up.
NOW HURRY UP AND RELEASE THE CL2 XR7" WITH THIS VTX!!!
no integrity in this review. Drew thinks he can spot ms of latency and then bardell shows its the same as DJI in low latency and actually mis reporting in 720 by about 50%
"Dominator hype train" ... That's a good one.
Fatshark goggles are allready tearndown and SOC was rebranded to VIRTEX5 stupid troling. Im so glad that i buy DJI V2 last week. I did almost make my biggest misstake and preorder fatshark.
Is this footage from goggle DVR or onboard DVR?
Howdy, how do you get sound into that Walksnail vtx? does it have a built-in mic or is there a separate module?
... and where is the microphone on that thing?
Lost a little respect for RR after watching this video. Seems someone trying to pull a fast one on the community. Video footage absolutely terrible. Half baked goods that need to sit on the shelf until fixed right. Not investing in these until it can compete with DJI!
I've been using lhcp antennae for several years now, so not coming with antennae isn't an issue for me.
At this point in time, this system is simply not as solid as DJI, is more expensive, offers lesser video quality, uses a non-standard mounting pattern, and has higher latency (JB proved the values in the OSD are bullshit using proper testing methodology). Of course this video is simply an advertisement by Rotor Riot. I guess if you feel this system is so superior to the competition you should stop selling BNF quads built with DJI, and switch over to *only* flying with this hardware. Put your money where your mouth is.
This review makes me close to unsub the RR, you guys are soo cool but I'm so sad watching this after watching Joshua's review. As many other said the way Joshua did it is more convient and fair comparsion, something that this community have to stick to rathar than just selling products and not talking about Bruno ;)
Needs video in for flight Sims. That's one thing hdzero has over this system.
Does the vtx transmit audio back to the goggles?
thank you
Before I buy it I would like to see more test like interferences flying analog, DJI, and the new fatshark-HD
Just wait for DJI to come out with their new system
What kind of battery do you recommend using??
I suggest watch their DJI FPV System review and compare it. I feel like they went backwards on this one lol. And for a range test DJI knock it out of the park it went twice as far(on stock antennas) than the avatar system. @LetsFlyRC c’mon man. DJI Video quality was way better. Clearly not ready yet why release it to the public.(it’s like a car manufacturer releasing a new car with no headlight on, and later provided when it’s ready with no time frame, you can drive it but you wouldn’t see on some other conditions). A lot of people expect it at least on par or better than DJI system.
They did not get twice the range xD, they got to 2.39 km, that's make 1.24 miles. The fat shark walksnail system did 1.8 miles, sorry buddy your got damn wrong and bear in mind that it is only the beginning, this is a new system, and also i don't understand why you are interrested in this system as you already own a dji system ? xD the vid if you want to verify : ua-cam.com/video/-MkVrdaZu4s/v-deo.html
@@jadoofpv3462 Here comes the interest police
@@calisti9308 i juste hate people that Say bullshit... Also it's really funny to see dji fpv system owner giving them self excuse to "not Switch"... Well you don't need to Switch, how much money do you have to be able to get two fpv system ??? I gess your richer then me, all of you.
@@jadoofpv3462 when you don't pay them, you can have all the systems you want
feels like the "Raw Goggle DVR" has a lot of image sharpening applied.
When we are ready to stop fawning over the new goggle on the market lets look at some facts for a second. First of all it has been reported there is an error with the reported latency in the goggle OSD being off by several ms and confirmed under Bardwell's testing its actually coming in at 25ms at best not the reported 19-21 as repeatedly claimed.
If this system eventually produces 50mbs, a 1200mw hack and audience mode, compared to DJI it still has a significantly smaller FOV, less FPS, less range (its not 13.3km) no on board SD recording, no 4:3 aspect, no control link, costs more, doesn't come with antennas 😂and has a proprietary video system and proprietary but currently unavailable VTX's with unique size configurations and impossible small screws.
The engineers are working on a V2 goggle and vtx as we speak tho right?😳
But...But...But...It's Fatshark.🤣
Eh screw size isn't an issue to myself. Easy fix either way.
But other than those minor issues they are fab! What a shocking launch, is this tickets for Fatshark I wonder
True, probably the least of their problems right now 😂
I think the latency requires more in-depth testing. Bardwell tested at 240fps which made each frame 4ms. That makes the margin of error for that test 4ms and given that the latency figures were out by the same amount, we need a more accurate test to see the true latency figures. His test was fine for a rough estimate but that’s about it for now. At 1000fps it’ll be roughly 1ms per frame and give us a much better idea of the true latency.
Where's the osd /canvass?
That sd card ejection is impressive
did you use the full 1.2W for the range test?
the fact that you guys keep bashing DJI but at the same time completely ignoring HDZero ?
They are owned by redcat which owns fatshark. They will claim honesty to the death of them but they are arrogant and out of touch. Bubby blew off my criticism from the bardwell video which shows dji doing better by saying "you fly hdzero so it all makes sense now". The mentality of these people is pompous and deceitful
can not be really called a review - more or less a sales or promotion show but lot missing and not touched enough.
Canceled my order, will not get a dji and simply wait for a better solution. Another fake one considerin they called the latency being lower than dji and it is quite the opposite as Bardwell had shown.
Why did Joshua only got 25 ms based on a highspeed camera he had been using on his desk with no distance between.
VTX is not available and it is a project under construction.
I wonder what Ian will do. I couldn't watch the entire video the quip at blind folks was too much.
@@sUASNews Somehow he had done it in anticipation on in that the night before released video.
Mr. Steele did his video in a brand Ambassador style being so honest to tell viewers in that Video WATCH JB's video for technical details.
Made me Smile for a moment and skipped his video to watch JB's again.
Best of all: just 3 review units out
View counters were 11 k JB, 9 k Mr. Steele and 4k for rotor riot 6 hours after Launch
Not impressive for roughly 1 Mio subs !
Puts fpv in perspective being a small niche market
Hey friend, how are you? Hey, if you're more familiar with DJI, do you know if I can set up a freestyle with the F405 SpeedyBee boards or other esc and controller boards + DJI Air unit and use the Goggles v2 with motion2??? Thanks...
Where can I buy that old school digital drone shirt that you had on talking about the betaflight osd ledrib
I have 7 dji FPV setups, all using the dji V1 remote. Would love to see a matching remote for this system. Or maybe a dji compatibility hack 😉
Same. With an arsenal of great quads all flying on DJI at the moment why on earth would I change them all to a slightly inferior more expensive system?
@RyanO I’m not sure if this was legit, but a while back I saw a video where the guy had a Crossfire module connected to the dji FPV remote v1 using the audio jack type port on the transmitter. Maybe that could be a solution?
just us a tx16s
@@MakoFPV don't like them. Way too many switches. I love the simplicity of the dji remote plus the ease of use. I got my son a mobula7 and jumper pro and it took 3 days before I figured out how to use edgedtx and elrs. And I'm still not sure if it's correct. Dji i can push a button and 100% perfect link.
@@watcanw8357 that could work. But at the same time no need to do the work if what I have already works. Id purchase the goggles for canvas mode if they were able to link to a dji vtx but highly unlikely to happen.
If it wasn't fkr rotor farts i might actually be interested, knowing you clowns, money makes you hype anything. Dji fatsharts snale is a more fitting name
Kinda long commercial.
dji = cool and tactical, it just works
walksnail = cutsie shark on your head and some clutch sideflaps.
it can go to 1080p AND add a little bit of latency
Way to go with the half hour commercial. It's great how money can influence how you represent a product. This is cool. It's not great. With Steele purposefully omitting the mention of HDZero and you guys basically endorsing the thing, I suspect the product needs biased opinions. I suspect they paid a lot of money just to look good while being a sub par alternative. Do not buy into this.
Agreed. Shawn had the gall the lie to me that he retested avatar vs dji around trees just cause of my post that ratios their post and said he does get twice as far with walksnail with better performance and said the system only blacked out on Joshua's video cause of heat protection mode which joshua told me was off for his test lol. And bubby tried to share his 1080p dvr with me claiming it looks great but he was fooled by the fact that the location was all concrete. Whenever you pause and zoom in you can clearlybsee everything was smeared. They limited comments on my post and made it so you can't post pics on the post. Then they claimed they aren't paid to promote anything despite being all owned by redcat lololol. They are purely dishonest people. Then they started attacking me cause I fly hdzero and said that my views "make sense now" . They really are arrogant people who are out of touch with normal fpv pilots.
Nice they came out with the nano camera. I only run nano and mostly whoop style 5"frames
Can this be powered by 2s Li-ion pack or would the voltage be a bit too low due to the lower average operating voltage of Li-ions?
Sean As soon as you went over grass the video got muddy you crashed because you couldn't see the wire.
Wow, the full Betaflight OSD in a digital system! Like we've never had that before...
Not like hdzero gave us that immediately
@@twistedfpv2283 well actually, it took them 6 months to put canvas mod in hdzero xD, so not really buddy...
@@jadoofpv3462 we got what we wanted right away. No bs like "we are working on it" like some of the other guys. Your making yourself look like an idiot
@@jadoofpv3462 6 months? You sure
Guys, advise a modern flight controller F7 or H7 30x30 reliable for fault tolerance, which do not burn, do not freeze and do not rage.
Needs some more work, blockiness of the video leads to crash. 29:42 utility pole guide wire visible, 29:48 what guide wire, 29:55 invisible wire reappears, 29:56 crash. I'm happy to see a competitor to DJI and hope that more development raises the bar. I personally don't like the stutter and delayed pixels that systems like this and DJI have and will personally stick to HDZero for racing and my flying style.
Patch antenna should be in upper right spot. It’s the only one transmitting
Does anyone know if you can use these goggles with a SIM? thanks
Drew , I would like to see a Skyliner 6s with new Walk snail plus goggles +antennas as a kit from Rotor Riot .
Must. Be. Able. To. Record. OSD!
...and what about local audio recording that was hyped early on?
Hello!
Super hd set, in my opinion it lacks an hdmi port (to use the simulators) and an avi port (like Dji allowing to fly in analog from time to time).
23 goggles just showed up at GH hobbies in Canada..but no cameras hmm. $1200..00
I bet some one will get the new fatshark system and cross compatible with the existing dji system and even the caddx vista. The two are so close to being the same hardware, we will see. I think it would be good for all HD systems going forward and give the quad builder more options. Hell I like fatshark but in the past all the goggles I have purchased from the ( hdo 1 and 2 ) dvr and the fan took a 💩 in the first month of purchase. I have 3 pairs of dji goggles and never have had not one failure and I have been using them from the first batch of the dji goggles sold. I can't stand to pay premium price for poor quality. I will wight and see more reviews in 6 months .
Range test on wich Power at vtx?
SELL SELL SELL!
Hey can we get discount drones to hold out the window of our truck? 😀. Just messing with you, great video.
So, DJI FPV won't die
Not at all. This video wasn't impressive, didn't show any direct comparisons and just kinda seemed like hype. And the latency part is disingenuous. Saying you'll get 19-21ms latency on 720 and 39ms on 1080p without mentioning that's the fastest it'll ever be, but average latency is not that and the minimum number doesn't actually tell us anything of what the variability is like in flight. These are the same people that acted like school girls over the pre production version also, which multiple people ink ow who flew it told me it was not as good as dji not in image or performance. So then acting hype and making bold claims without any scientific testing or comparison just felt like one loooooong commercial. Dude said if he can fly through a tire 50 feet away behind a single think and broken down wall, that somehow means latency isn't an issue lol.
@@anthonyfpvminiquad1728 sure, absolutely. And it has a room for improvements.
But my thought was, if DJI stop FPV tomorrow it won't die, it will live in this shape, will it be better or worse? Will see, but hd fpv won't die for sure.
Vortex lives!!!
Flying a wee higher I would think you would get further. CRSF failsafe at
Crossfire is sub par go get some elrs stuff and feel the future
When are you going to do an honest review and not a shill for your sister company???
Will you ever be happy with anything other than them purposefully setting the goggles on fire on camera while announcing that they are every single bit of the “bad guys” you imagine them to be?
@Dan Z honesty is the best policy, these clowns wouldn’t know a thing about it.
anyone know what those grey props are on the 5" quad near the end of the video? thanks,
if the signal in digital way do you need left or right polarization?
one or the other..... dji comes with lhcp antennas but you could switch to right as long as they match goggles to vtx
@@toxicfpv304 but why can't I use liniar antenas?
@@djblack19 linear antennas are generally used on whoops and builds that are not going to be flown with much range. I would not suggest putting them on your goggles. If you are flying a whoop or something with a linear antenna then circular polarized antennas on your goggles will still do the job.
Looks to me like antennae choice makes a big difference. Bardwells review showed a really hazy camera in bright light and yours didn't so maybe a bad copy (camera) that he had.
Yes. In my experience, double truerc xairs gave the best range and penetration
Jeff Man, its been about 2 or 3 years. you are looking good these days. what did you do to lose weight? appreciate the help. had 12 vertebrae fused was 140 lbs before that for about 15 years. but now i'm up to about 175 lbs. wanna get back to 150 160 range. seems anything I eat all of a sudden I put weight on. anyways, take it easy. appreciate your time.
OMG, would like to have that kit in pavo a 25 frame .... amazing... want to switch my box goggles skyzone ASAP. great review Rotor Riot... 👍
Dude this is not a review. Rotor riot and fatshark are both the same company - redcat. Get informed, watch the other reviews out there. What you are seeing here is not the truth. It's just a shiny advertisement.
my money go to HD zero! this is like dji without dji encryption.... but has the same problems, like micro breaks sometimes (image stuck)
Screw the goggles.. I want to see the review on whatever Vortex is doing. Didn't even recognize the man.
Thanks. Just eating better and getting more exercise. I rollerblade a lot now.
Eat right and exercise. Love it when people flip out over common sense and a bit of dedication
@@creationlabsinc.189 if complimenting someone’s progress is flipping out, I guess you got me.
We need a betaflight setup video.
The #1 thing i would like to see with the new Woksnail is me!💪💪💪🤣
Noticed bubs shirt. I went to that school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The video link may have dropped because you guys went behind the horizon or at least got quite close to it.
Maybe. Assuming the goggles and quad are about 4' off the ground and the earth is a perfect sphere with a radius of 6,371 km, geometry alone says the quad is below the horizon at about 5 miles.
@@dieterweik6858 Come to think of it, hills or something else getting in the way seems more likely. I'll be honest here - I remember the distance to the horizon being roughly 4km for a 1.7m person. Why? Because there's a german song about that specific scenario. Knorkator - wie weit ist es bis zum Horizont. Was he wrong?
@@Deserthacker Ha! I just plugged some numbers into a radar horizon calculator I found online. But I'll defer to the song!
Good God someone is gonna have their eye put out by a flying sd card, you watch and see lol
"You'll shoot your eye out" 🤣😂
I told everyone 1080p won't look much better if even at all 🤷♂️
So I'll be buying DJI V1 or V2 now I see how this beta pos looks, cos it looks like a rushed through pile of crap for the money they want. Why couldn't they just wait and put out a finished product, after bytefrost I though they might have learnt a lesson.