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  • With 2024 as The 20th Anniversary of this Beloved Nicktoon, it is time To Determine How Powerful is The Ghost Kid of Amity Park, Danny Phantom!
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    Danny Phantom Theme Song - Guy Moon and Butch Hartman
    Danny Phantom Theme Song- Niall Stenson
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  • @TheInkTank
    @TheInkTank 28 днів тому +33

    Great video! This lays out a lot of points I've been trying to make for a while. Love how you included A Glitch in Time as well.

  • @ChloeCrismon
    @ChloeCrismon Місяць тому +58

    One thing I always wondered about is why Vlad and Danny had to wear space helmets as ghosts. They technically don’t need to breathe. Maybe it’s for safety if their power was used up and they shifted back.

    • @KaizaBLK
      @KaizaBLK  Місяць тому +29

      I’m not sure myself. At the end of the final episode of the series, Vlad is just In Space with No Helmet Completely Fine, so they definitely don’t need to breathe in space.
      But it’s probably like you said, incase they transform back. If they use up too much energy they will turn back, so that could be a problem.

    • @musicalhistory4392
      @musicalhistory4392 Місяць тому +5

      Yeah I’ve assumed the same, the ghost zone or phasing through objects obviously means ghost don’t need to breathe. So they must do the helmets in case hey accidentally transform back.

    • @kagemushashien8394
      @kagemushashien8394 Місяць тому +3

      Cause it looks cool
      And invade they turn human again.

  • @Ash-Winchester
    @Ash-Winchester Місяць тому +9

    Wow, this video suddenly makes becoming a half ghost a lot more appealing.

  • @hunterknight5261
    @hunterknight5261 8 днів тому +4

    Ever since I first started to understand that in Danny Phantom the Ghost Zone is also called the Infinite Realms and that Pariah Dark was said to be powerful enough to rule it by force I considered Danny to be a multi-dimensional level powerhouse. Thank you for laying it out like this!

    • @BrakSplash
      @BrakSplash День тому +1

      I always considered Danny as stronger then most ghosts, but pales in comparison to top tier ghosts like Pariah Dark and Dark Danny.
      He still struggled fighting some ghosts every now and then.

  • @yummynubs3646
    @yummynubs3646 20 днів тому +9

    Aang approximatelt 7.38 seconds into Ben and Danny pulling up: Oh nah man, I am not built for this

  • @galactusmonitor1977
    @galactusmonitor1977 Місяць тому +12

    I never knew danny phantom was so strong

  • @zombiedemon1762
    @zombiedemon1762 Місяць тому +15

    What if Dani Phantom (The female clone) possessed and fused with Ember, the music ghost girl with blue fire hair?

  • @captaincomic8678
    @captaincomic8678 Місяць тому +9

    I would just like to note that being able to beat a Watcher is basically a non-feat considering they can be killed in the same ways as a normal human.

  • @InteriorCrocodileAlligator86
    @InteriorCrocodileAlligator86 12 днів тому +2

    It's also worth noting that he, along with SpongeBob, Timmy, and Jimmy, were capable of destroying the force fields of the Syndicate of Evil which were designed to protect them from the destruction of the Nicktoons multiverse
    So in theory he's equal to his fellow Nicktoon heroes, and we all know how crazy SpongeBob's string pull is

  • @princelamar1735
    @princelamar1735 Місяць тому +8

    Not bad bro, nice to see another good scaler around.

  • @jalencole7332
    @jalencole7332 Місяць тому +14

    Nah bruh, there are some leaps in logic, like saying Pariah traveled a universe sized distance, I really don’t think you understand just how big the universe is. I also don’t think all time or reality controlling beings are created equally in fiction, and suggesting that Danny must be Goku status in terms of stats is unfounded bro

    • @KaizaBLK
      @KaizaBLK  Місяць тому +5

      Given the fact that the Ghost Zone Itself is Stated to Be Endless, Containing Infinite Realms, And Pariah Dark Being Stated to Be able to do anything, even called Omnipotent By Butch Hartman, Not Much of a Stretch.

    • @randomcelestialsapien115
      @randomcelestialsapien115 Місяць тому +1

      ⁠@@KaizaBLKThe Ghost Zone is stated to be an earth sized realm meaning it’s planet sized
      Also those realms are planet sized not universe sized and Pariah dark never traveled that distance and has no feats on that magnitude
      That’s a vague statement from Skulker and said Pariah dark got beaten by random ghosts and Danny so he ain’t omnipotent and it was never stated he had ghostly omnipotence and Butch Hartman is an arrogant moron who doesn’t know anything about power-scaling he also said ghosts are just beings from another dimension despite the fact that in season one they were in fact humans and it was never stated Pariah had ghostly omnipotence not once in the special and has no feats on that level and Danny couldn’t power a machine to make the earth intangible meaning he’s not even planet level so stop wanking him he’s town level at best

    • @zombiedemon1762
      @zombiedemon1762 Місяць тому +4

      Statements and character quotes probably lose their value when contradicted by actual feats or what is actually shown on screen though.
      Danny Phantom was probably not even planet level when he turned Earth intangible because that took a lot more than just his own power BUT maybe his power level grows over time super quickly.
      Also, if the gauntlet thing really was 4D because of a time-dimension, then maybe it was not the amount of power Danny had that allowed him to destroy it but because he has time-imfused ectoplasm from Clockwork.
      If it's true that Danny has the powers of every ghost that existed in the ghost zone when the lab accident happened, then he probably just has a little bit of time power inside all of his attacks rather than just being that strong.
      Maybe only some ghosts are natural embodiments of ectoplasm while others are actual souls of the dead which really has to be true because BoxLunch exists and there's the ghosts of those animals that were killed by Vlad.

    • @yummynubs3646
      @yummynubs3646 20 днів тому

      @@zombiedemon1762 Broski what are you going on about

  • @alexfraser8352
    @alexfraser8352 Місяць тому +6

    I mean Goku is 5D so it's not as clear cut as you make it

  • @Rylon321
    @Rylon321 3 дні тому

    I loved the show as a kid but never really realized how dang powerful he is until now. Thanks for the entertainment

  • @jankoleon3785
    @jankoleon3785 Місяць тому +6

    I really doubt that he can beat either Ben or Goku. The gap of power is just to big. Even for him.

  • @ThaGhostGhod
    @ThaGhostGhod 26 днів тому +2

    (Context: my character’s based off the idea of Danny but instead becoming a human/ghost hybrid. He’s born one)
    GhostGod: heh. One of these days we’re gonna have to see who’s stronger d. I can’t wait!

  • @g3nd1a69
    @g3nd1a69 10 днів тому +2

    Didn’t you scale Ben to 5D at the minimum? Even by your own logic Ben would still win.

  • @KylePhantomK94
    @KylePhantomK94 20 днів тому +2

    I haven't read the graphic novel yet. But, I'm not sure if I would put it canon or just depends on the person. And DP has a very messy time frame, and the fights in the series can be seen as kinda goofy and were no where near as well written or well put together in Shounen Battle manga or even super hero comics. But, based on how the show is presented, Danny's power level would be comparable to Ichigo during the Substitute arc in Bleach. Heck it was stated his fasted speed was 112 miles per hour.

  • @2di0pictures10
    @2di0pictures10 28 днів тому +1

    His phasing ability alone just makes him extremely overpower.
    It just depends on Danny's morals.

  • @NoobsCreations
    @NoobsCreations Місяць тому +1

    Cool vid bro

  • @psychospeech6189
    @psychospeech6189 Місяць тому +21

    Not even close.. this is meat riding

    • @nolo03790
      @nolo03790 Місяць тому

      Cry no proof no life

    • @psychospeech6189
      @psychospeech6189 Місяць тому +7

      @nolo03790 literally the finale where he needed help to affect the ehole planet

    • @nolo03790
      @nolo03790 Місяць тому

      @@psychospeech6189 i know but no hate on this guy jeez I agreed but is fax ok

    • @randomcelestialsapien115
      @randomcelestialsapien115 20 днів тому

      Exactly and he the Gauntlet has no multiversal feats and the Guys in white statement is vague and are considered idiots who don’t know anything about ghost artifacts and the sky is projected was an illusion he didn’t affect any stars

    • @randomcelestialsapien115
      @randomcelestialsapien115 19 днів тому

      Exactly Danny Phantom isn’t even planet level

  • @theheadlessglen
    @theheadlessglen 11 днів тому +1

    While I agree with Infinite 4D likely scaling above most of the people mentioned at the end, idk about "most" Marvel or DC characters given the insane amount of characters within both series that can be scaled to that level or beyond. Like depending on how generous you are, one core of Lanterns could be argued to be equal to or higher than Danny, and that's thousands of characters. That's not mentioning the numerous amount of 5th dimensional imps, the New Gods or any true form of characters within the God's Sphere, etc. Also disagree with him defeating Infinity Ultron, Strange Supreme, and The Watcher, as the Watcher is just straight up confirmed to be 5th Dimensional being, which would be infinitely beyond anything Danny could hope to accomplish at the moment.
    Amazingly well made video and well researched, so damn cool.

  • @Ty-cx5zj
    @Ty-cx5zj Місяць тому +7

    Cooked 😈 but we’ll see about that Ben vs danny

    • @ultimax10doesgaming48
      @ultimax10doesgaming48 Місяць тому +4

      I mean, the fight's pretty straightforward. The Omnitrix protects Ben from being posessed and all Ben has to do is touch Danny and remove Danny's Ghost DNA with the Omnitrix like he did with the DNAliens.

  • @jschannel6319
    @jschannel6319 Місяць тому +25

    Saying he beats all of DB, as well as most of Shonen, DC and Marvel with only infinite 4D AP is kinda crazy. 5D is the baseline for DB scaling since debatably the Boo Saga with Boohan threatening to destroy the Macrocosm which contains multiple infinitely expanding realms via the Daizenshuu. With virtually everyone in Super and GT outscaling Boohan massively. Even if you give Danny the speed advantage, he doesn’t have the AP or Hax to do anything with it.

    • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
      @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 Місяць тому +6

      DC and Marvel is even crazier, since a large swathe of characters like Thor, Odin, Superman, Darkseid, Kyle Rayner, the Celestials, Galactus etc are way above Infinite 4D, I just assumed he meant Danny could beat Squirell Girl and Captain America or smth

    • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
      @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 Місяць тому +2

      But also I think the 5D Dragon Ball thing is wank

    • @jschannel6319
      @jschannel6319 Місяць тому +4

      5D Boo Saga is admittedly a bit of wank, but I was really just trying to make a point that infinite 4D is nowhere near enough to beat most of that list he had at the end of the video. And I think there’s a version of Squirrel Girl that beat Thanos; so even Danny vs Squirrel Girl might be a bit of a debate

    • @thegreatandpowerfultwily394
      @thegreatandpowerfultwily394 Місяць тому

      Individual macrocosms in DB are crazy wanked. They're just multiple universes collected together.
      DB characters are all 4D at most, and only Zeno gets to 5D.

    • @jschannel6319
      @jschannel6319 Місяць тому +1

      Fused Zamas became an omnipresent being throughout two timelines (which are two separate macrocosms) and Goku, Vegeta as well as some more characters have heavily surpassed this level of power in the TOP. This is the Daizenshuu’ statement about the Universe:
      宇宙
      The Universe
      The endless, expansive space wrapped around every celestial body that exists in the Living World. Along with the "Demon Realm," it is a single, large world in the Living World. In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and it is hermetically sealed by a barrier that is engraved with a strange design. Within the universe, there are "nebulae" composed of innumerable stars, and there are "galaxies" composed of innumerable nebulae. There is a ruling Kami for each galaxy. Earth resides in the Solar System, a galactic nebula on the outskirts of the North Galaxy.
      Then there’s UI 3 Goku and Jiren shaking the World of Void which was described as infinite nothingness.

  • @apirlfools
    @apirlfools 22 дні тому +1

    i would personally like to say sorry for arguing on this video with another user it got out of hand and i just want to say sorry to kaiza

  • @mr.quirrel4982
    @mr.quirrel4982 Місяць тому +3

    Yippee 🎉

  • @dukedaprofit1518
    @dukedaprofit1518 5 днів тому

    So danny phantom did the end game first wow

  • @mmstudios4538
    @mmstudios4538 День тому

    I'm just saying, but when it comes to vs debates, I feel like it should be stated if the fight is a "to the death", "just trying to subdue the other person", or "friendly spar" type fight. Because these categories really change the nature of the fight and how far characters are willing to go.
    Let's be honest with no bias here for a second. I personally HATE using characters like Ben 10 in versus debates, mostly because it has been confirmed that the Omnitrix will prevent Ben from dying no matter what, and with Alien X, nothing else about his opponent matters. There is absolutely nothing stopping Alien X from just taking away Danny's powers period.
    That is why I hate involving reality manipulators in vs debates because they win no matter what since they can just change the win conditions.

  • @silentintrovert1244
    @silentintrovert1244 25 днів тому

    I am becoming more interested of what happened Dark Danny's full ghost powers after the end of Glitch in Time because the most obvious answer to that is that Dark Danny has returned to his roots of being a human/ghost hybrid thanks to Vlad's cloning technology.
    My theory is that in the sequel graphic novel, Good Danny and Dark Danny are now in a role reversal from the events of The Ultimate Enemy with Dark Danny as the underdog and Good Danny having more experience than him. I find this switch to be a cool twist

  • @Lawlessweeb_San
    @Lawlessweeb_San Місяць тому +3

    First comment and Like
    LET'S FVCKN GOOOO ❤

  • @tvhead5010
    @tvhead5010 День тому

    You got some problems with that. We also know that the ghost zone kind of takes you where you need to go and where you might have to go. So distance in the ghost zone is very different than distance in the real world. Once again, it's different points in time. Therefore you're not traveling. Great distance. You're skipping over distance. You're traveling using time. It's for all we know that was like 20 minutes or I could have been one month because time works differently in the go zone. So you're speed feat for Mariah. Dark is off just because we know for the fact the ghostzone warps time. That's like a fact
    Also, that was a reaction that wasn't him actually moving lightspeed reaction time doesn't mean you're light speed. For example, Spider-Man can dodge bullets doesn't mean he's faster than bullets
    It is not the fact that he's outracing it. It's the fact that he's able to maneuver in a time frame in between the bullet being fired And getting to him
    Do I do? I think Danny is probably chilling around the same level with Ben. Yes no question. Danny really do got some power underneath his belt but do I think he's beyond Ben nah. I'm sorry that's not just it's not how it works only because we know for a fact the ghost zone works differently than the real world. It's around the same size as the universe, but it's connected differently. Once again, it's confirmed that if you destroy the Earth, you destroy the ghost zone So that means the ghost son is actually smaller than we think it is and it's more condensed than we think it is. It is big because it's every era in time past, present and the future. But the future needs to happen and that would explain why when clockwork was corrupted, the ghost starting started to fall apart. If Dark Danny's correcting the future, the future doesn't happen. Therefore, the ghosts don't is now falling apart because there is no future ghost to continue the energy that resides in the go zone

  • @tvhead5010
    @tvhead5010 День тому

    So there are some things in the show that contradict too heavily to sit here and say Danny is this and Danny is that
    A great example of that would be that Tucker and Sam also have dodged the ecto blast so that means they both are faster than light speed which doesn't make sense
    The ghost zone works off a different metric of time. We know the ghost zone works off a different metric of time because time warps in the ghost zone And we know the ghost zone reacts to the person that is going through the ghost zone
    Also if Danny phantom is lightspeed Danny has been late to class. Has been late to getting home has been late to other locations which means this is physically impossible for him to be late unless he was actively trying to be late man. It's light speed. There's no distance on Earth going lightspeed that she wouldn't be there in a few seconds and yet Man's missing hours of class so clearly he's not lightspeed because the narrative betrays what you see on the screen
    This is why I talk about when I say power. Scaling only makes sense if you talk about the narrative and then the power I do think Danny is universal level. No question but I think he's on the low end of that because how the ghost zone works is very different

  • @WackoMcGoose
    @WackoMcGoose Місяць тому +4

    Honestly, I can buy it, that Danny can beat even Alien X. I know _Five Years Later_ is a fan-comic, but it does make a compelling case for the idea that Ecto-Energy can "transcend all limits and break all rules", if a ghost (or halfa) is sufficiently determined to do so. On the other hand, it might be a case of "who gets the jump on who"... Celestialsapiens can _casually_ no-sell erasure by Annihalaargh, while a ghost might have to _consciously force themselves to continue existing_ to do the exact same. Alien X _could_ Thanos Snap a ghost, _or_ the ghost could kneecap Alien X with a powerful enough ecto-ray, it just depends on who wins the initiative roll.

  • @platinumnovawarriorrx20-en57
    @platinumnovawarriorrx20-en57 Місяць тому +1

    I enjoyed the video. I grew up wacthing Danny Phantom. I knew you were gonna say he was stronger than Goku lol

  • @h.a3212
    @h.a3212 17 днів тому

    Ah so Danny is multiversal plus

  • @perfectionist9711
    @perfectionist9711 Місяць тому

    Huh, neat

  • @angelhurtado55
    @angelhurtado55 13 днів тому

    don't know what this brother is having… but damn, is a good stash, wamt some of it

  • @zombiedemon1762
    @zombiedemon1762 Місяць тому +3

    I wonder how long or even if Ben Tennyson can survive Bloodborne.

  • @greenspeedser
    @greenspeedser 3 дні тому

    Can he beat alien X tho

  • @knight3669
    @knight3669 8 днів тому

    dont think so marvel and dc alone most humans are well above him so no way he taking most of the marvel or dc universe i am talking about the comics not mcu

  • @zombiedemon1762
    @zombiedemon1762 Місяць тому +2

    But could Danny Phantom beat Alex Mercer the Blacklight Prototype?
    Can he beat Guts wearing his Berserker Armor from Berserk?

  • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
    @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 Місяць тому +3

    Me going into this: ain't no way Danny is above City Block level
    Me after watching this: Holy shit he can beat Goku (but most of DC is wild)

    • @KaizaBLK
      @KaizaBLK  Місяць тому +1

      Might have been going a little crazy on the "Most of Marvel And DC part"

  • @Lawlessweeb_San
    @Lawlessweeb_San Місяць тому +2

    Damn... Now that's freaking insane. I didn't really think of the reality gauntlet feat that much, while watching.
    Just wild.
    But the Dark Danny feat is way more consistent than it.
    That speed and ap is wild.
    Very good video bro...
    Do Naruto next😂

  • @zainebamfo2077
    @zainebamfo2077 Місяць тому +2

    But the graphic novel isn’t canon tho. So he wouldn’t scale

    • @KaizaBLK
      @KaizaBLK  Місяць тому +1

      The Book Is Official Licenced By Nickelodeon, who owns the IP to Danny Phantom.
      That makes it Canon, as they legit consider it a continuation post Season 3.

    • @zainebamfo2077
      @zainebamfo2077 28 днів тому +1

      @@KaizaBLK Cartoon Network has comics from their shows licensed under them but that doesn’t mean they are canon. Literally nobody who worked from the show worked on this comic to make it canon. Something like Avatar’s comics has canonicity because the actual creators were on it

    • @KaizaBLK
      @KaizaBLK  28 днів тому +1

      @@zainebamfo2077 Butch Hartman Was Fired By Nickelodeon, and Nickelodeon owns the IP.
      It also says on the back of the book that it takes place after season 3 and continues the Danny Phantom Series.
      Argue with Nickelodeon

    • @zainebamfo2077
      @zainebamfo2077 28 днів тому +1

      @@KaizaBLK Butch didn’t get fired during the show’s production tho. Like I said not even other people on the show were involved in this like Steve Marmel. You can own the IP but that doesn’t mean you have a say in author’s intent
      “It also says on the back of the book that it takes place after Season 3 and continues the Danny Phantom Series.”
      By your logic The Legend Of Genji continues the Avatar franchise cuz it continues after Korra lmaooo💀💀

    • @KaizaBLK
      @KaizaBLK  28 днів тому

      @@zainebamfo2077 The Legend of Genji isn't created by Nickelodeon as an Official Continuation of the Series. Its a fan Series with Zero Connection to the original.
      Nickelodeon Gets the Final Say.

  • @Bonanzabro
    @Bonanzabro Місяць тому

    W fr

  • @Turbku
    @Turbku Місяць тому +1

    All of DB?
    Most Marvel and DC?
    ehhh i disagree
    still nice to know one of my goats is this powerful tho

  • @thatoneguy6071
    @thatoneguy6071 Місяць тому

    Terraria VS Steve (wanking both).
    Or
    Overwatch's strongest hero, and what fictional characters they could beat

  • @Bonanzabro
    @Bonanzabro Місяць тому

    Hey

  • @zombiedemon1762
    @zombiedemon1762 Місяць тому +4

    Danny Phantom still has DNA even while in ghost form, right?
    Maybe Ben Tennyson can have the Omnitrix scan him like an alien and turn into his own ghost form.
    But also..... Alien X. But I kinda want Danny Phantom to win somehow.

    • @apirlfools
      @apirlfools Місяць тому +2

      well if danny got the drop on alien x its possible he could overshadow it
      I mean if its energy can be absorbed by someone like kevin
      then overshadowing should work

    • @randomcelestialsapien115
      @randomcelestialsapien115 Місяць тому +2

      @@apirlfools no it won’t overshadowing and energy absorbing aren’t the same thing not to mention Ben’s aliens can’t be possessed as shown from Ghostfreak and has no counter to reality warping on that level and can’t possess someone with multiple personalities

    • @apirlfools
      @apirlfools Місяць тому +1

      @@randomcelestialsapien115 okay ghost freak possession and danny overshadowing are different
      Ghost freak is a part of the watch is the reason he can't possess ben's aliens
      As for the mutiple personality things
      tucker with ghost powers and danny once possessed the same girl at the same time and struggled over control

    • @randomcelestialsapien115
      @randomcelestialsapien115 Місяць тому

      @@apirlfools no it’s not it’s the same thing Zs’Skayr is an actual being before he entered the watch he was never part of it originally and Ben as Ghostfreak tried to possess his transformations back in ultimate alien and they were immune to it so Danny can’t merge with Ben while he’s in alien form being from the Omnitrix has nothing to do with it and Danny’s possession isn’t absolute Tucker also forced Danny out so Belicus and Serena would do the same thing to Danny who are far more powerful than him and a human girl doesn’t mean shit if Danny goes into alien x he would just see Ben floating in space with Serena and Belicus as well and they would just wipe him out of existence and has no counter to reality warping and has been vulnerable to mind control multiple times and has no speed feats to suggest he’s massively faster than light Alien X Blitz Danny he ain’t possessing him

    • @apirlfools
      @apirlfools Місяць тому

      @@randomcelestialsapien115 your memory is shit ghost freak's mind is stored in even a single strand of dna but his current body was created by the watch
      we could argue all day over if his powers count as danny's or if dannys are stronger or if the watch is the only effecting ghost freak but lets assume for the sake of argument danny can possess alien x
      then the question becomes can danny control alien x
      in omniverse it would be just ben's will vs danny's while the other two argue in the background
      before omniverse it would be one of 2 things 1: both danny and ben are in the void and need to convince the 2 to side with one of them to gain control
      or 2: ben alone has to convince them to act giving danny a few mins alone with alien x's powers