Some Additional Info: In this episode, we mentioned that those with XXX chromosomes sometimes have minor learning disorders, and that those with Turner syndrome may have mental disabilities. Everyone experiences these things differently, so these symptoms don't apply in all cases! But as for why they sometimes happen? Well, scientists aren't actually sure, and any ideas they do have are extremely complicated. Hopefully we'll know more soon!
David Renton being a chimera is not synonymous with intersex; many, perhaps most go their entire lives without knowing they are such. There was a case of a woman who was right and was having her children removed from her because her DNA did not match with theirs. It turned out she was a chimera and further testing did find she had another set of DNA that matched her children.
Lmao I was already assuming a moderate video, going to dive into the very rare sex group with more than one sex organ... but I also knew people would jump to conclusion and hit a like or dislike button before watching the video.. 😂😂😂
When I was fifty, I found out in a hysterectomy that I had a small incomplete second uterus attached to my main one. It had no exit. That explained a lot. My surgeon was so excited. He'd never found one before. Lol
That's interesting! If you don't mind me asking, did you have any previous pregnancies? I'm curious as to how it might have affected ultrasound images. I hope everything with your surgery went well. My mom had to have a total hysterectomy after a uterine prolapse when she was in her early 40's and I know it was a tough recovery for her.
Years ago, I had a client who was hermaphrodite. His family did not allow any surgery, and when she was young, with a body that looked female, they explained that she might want to be a boy someday, and if so, she might feel like expressing that. She went through quite a bit of emotional pain through adulthood, feeling attracted to women but also looking and feeling like one. She decided in the end to get hormone therapy and became a He with a vagina. He consulted with me about his potential love life. The last time we talked, he was very happy being his authentic self, and I hope he has continued to be so! Everyone is here for their own adventure. We really need to learn to be more accepting of what is not about us and just mind our own business if we can't be supportive. This young person was not the average. He spent his first 2.5 decades feeling like a stranger to all humanity. A good reminder to just be kinder. Everyone has a story you can't see.
Being "kind" shouldn't mean lying about human biology. A "hermaphrodite" has a fixed biological sex with abnormalities in sec characteristics. They are not outside of the sex binary.
I remember a case of chimerasm where this mother was about to lose custody of her children because they were not biologically hers. Found out that her reproductive organs belonged to her twin that she absorbed in the womb.
As a Biology major, I concur! Biology isn't math; it's a field complicated and complex beyond human comprehension, for every rule there's an exception.
@@Censtudios the video claims that birth defects with extra chromosomes are new sexes. If you believe this, you are the extremely uneducated one. That's like saying if someone is born without arms, it's completely normal and they shouldn't be fitted for prosthetics to help them function like a normal human.
Science shows us biology is complicated and full of wonders. It's very sad when people reject all of it because they want their reality to be simple, even more so considering that's often motivated by political manipulation.
Science shows us atypical phenotypes all the time. It's very sad when people ignore the definitions of categories because they want their reality to be a spectrum, even more so considering that's often motivated by ideological brainwashing.
“This is complex” does not mean “I can make up whatever I want and anything that is not complex is wrong” Just because you are not educated and are easily surprised by some random fun facts does not mean there are more than two sexes
I’m sure that it is frustrating that despite there being all kinds of wonders and complex mechanisms in evolution, there is a silver lining that is so simple and obvious
fun fact i learned: male calico cats actually have DSDs, they are XXY because the genes necessary for the tri-color pattern requires two X chromosomes. that’s why they’re so rare.
And they're almost always infertile, unable to reproduce. Which underscores that there are still only TWO reproductively viable biological sexes in mammals. Anything else is a developmental or genetic anomaly, defect, or abnormality that in the vast majority of cases renders them unable to reproduce, or have high rates of genetic or chromosomal defects. We are not worms. There are only two viable sexes in primates.
Don’t be surprised, they’ve been teaching it for decades everywhere. There was never an issue cuz DSDs don’t mean there’s more than 2 sexes. That’s like saying conjoined twins is a gender.
Back in the mid 2000's, it wasn't connected national hot button. It was just information a thorough study of the human body would turn up. Your teacher is commendable not for his political/moral stance, but for his diligence in teaching detail.
@@GoggleGum Is it controversial? Or have people just reacted violently to something they didn't take the time to understand? EDIT: For the weird internet pedants below who haven't heard, it's possible to use "violent" as an adjective to describe a vicious or extreme reaction, even if no physical blows have been landed. It's almost as though quibbling over semantics is the nearest they'll ever get to making a valid point...
@@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440 A rare genetic condition in which people who have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome (the usual pattern for males) look female. They have normal female reproductive organs, including a uterus, fallopian tubes, and vagina.
"facts don't care about your feelings!" "the scientific consensus is that neither gender nor sex are binary-" "i will choose to ignore these facts because they don't align with my feelings"
@@jokunortti lol, Males produce sperm that fertilises an Ova, females produce an ova that is fertilised by sperm to create a baby, any entity that does not do one of these two things is not a new sex, they are an abnormality. Chimera exist but they too are an abnormality not a new magical 3rd sex, as far as i'm aware nobody reproduces like a f*cking bacteria in the human species. My feeling = zero, now please come back at me with all of YOUR feelings.
@@carloskillface5990 Nearly the entire population of Russia (130 million intersex/DSD vs 140 million Russia's population) is a bit higher than what I would call an "abnormality." This video has a provocative title, but that title isn't exactly what's being shown in it. Hank Green (and nearly every biologist) is saying that sex is a spectrum. Not 2. Not 3. Not 57000. A spectrum.
@@wiiu42 LOL 130 million people have one leg, there is spectrum of legs,... i don't care about the AMOUNT of people with an abnormality the number means nothing, it is still an abnormality, there are no inbetween sexes. If they are unable to reproduce using a sperm or ova that their body produces (when they are a mature adult) they are an abnormality. I also don't care about what ever appeal to authority fallacy you like to put in there, my wife has a 1st class honors degree in human biology and she says there are only 2 sexes and there is NO spectrum (see, appeal to authority MEANS NOTHING).
@Canonymous Shadow lol, how about you challenge the rest of my comment instead of a quip i placed in there (to trigger libcucks) AFTER the facts i wrote down. i expect no reply
Regarding the modification of infants with DSDs.... My mother was the medical assistant for a urologist for 15 years, in California's Central Valley during the 90s and early 00s. DSDs were not uncommon among farm workers, thanks to tremendous pressure for pregnant women to continue working despite the risks that agricultural chemicals posed to developing fetuses. Typically, an infant with ambiguous genitalia would be assigned female and "reconstructed" to conform to that assignment, for the simple reason that that it was easier to create something that looked like a vagina than it was to create something that looked like a penis. This caused tremendous trauma and dysphoria in many of the people who had been subjected to this, and my mom's doctor made it his specialty to reverse these surgeries in people who wanted it reversed. (He flat out refused to do such "reconstruction" on infants or children.) He has since retired from practice, but I understand that more and more doctors are likewise refusing to do them.
Glad to see that even for the time, they not only kept to a moral ground, but went above & beyond to help on this issue. That doctor had a backbone, which is sadly very rare for humans despite being vertebrates.
I'm pretty sure it's stories like these that fuel that part of the media that is fearmongering that parents and doctors are allowing or forcing children to have sex changes. The lack of education in this area is creating a violent atmosphere for those in the transgender community, and that portion of the media that defends them seldom bothers to educate, instead choosing to simply refute that anything of the sort is happening. While it is true that nothing like this is happening for the reasons stated, I think it would be better to point out where these misconceptions come from. It is certainly frustrating watching this play out in the media, knowing full well the whole argument could be shut down with nothing more than the simple (well... complicated, really) truth. It's as though both sides aren't really standing for anything at all, save the perpetuation of what I know to be a non-story, at the peril of the transgender community, doctors, and parents with such affected children.
_"It's easier to make a hole than a pole"._ A expression used by a very bitter intersex man who had been turned genitally female at birth and then as an adult had himself turned back to a male identity… in a documentary about intersex in the 90's [I think it was a episode of Sex TV ].
My transgender son (formerly daughter) grew up looking like David Bowie. This beautiful androgynous elf. When he started talking about body dysmorphia at age 12, we kinda expected it. Now hes a wonderfully adjusted and happy adult. The moral here is listen to your kid. If it turns out to be some fashion statement or faddish manuever, then who did it hurt? If it turns out to be real, then you were supportive the whole time, and they remember that. I love my son. In the long run it doesnt matter. The soul of my child is intact, and his heart is pure.
If it was a fashion or faddish maneuver, who did it hurt? Your own kid, you absolute ignorant imbecile idiot. What kind of stupidity is this? Because of idiots like you is that matters like these are taken so lightly. If it's something real then it should be taken as such and let it be explored more deeply, but if it's only a fad and you go ahead with the procedure as if nothing, then there is an enormous chance that kid will develop gigantic psychological or even psychiatric problems later on. It's not me saying this, it's scientific and sociological literature reporting tragic outcomes that have emerged exactly because of idiots such as you being negligent. Inform yourself better and lose some of that ignorance. Pathetic idiot......
My step sister had a phase where she wanted to be called he. It came out of nowhere. Unlike your child, she always acted like a girl and dressed like a girl. Sue was not androgynous in any way. She was however an outcast, very large always… very tall and very overweight and as far as I know never dated. The other kids would bully her relentlessly. One day at age 18 she decided that she was a boy. She cut her hair and asked to be called by a different masculine name. My mom thought that her behavior was something to be corrected. She didn’t buy into her being trans because there were absolutely no signs before 18. She figured that she was just unhappy and wanted to try to fit in another way. Her mom however fully embraced the change and celebrated her new son. Within less than a year she was back to wearing dresses and wearing her hair long. She lost weight and started dating a guy. They now live together and I think she is happy. Moral of the story is kids are going to be who they are. They may be trans or they may be going through a personal crisis of being bullied. Often the two go hand and hand. Either way it’s best to support them because whatever they are in the end is out of your hands anyway.
It's weird that your comment doesn't have more likes because the most important point you made is: "The soul of my child is in tact, and his heart is pure."❤
If only more fathers and mothers could be so emotionally developed and so stable with their own identities that all in the spectrum would have the incredible and certainly rare response of complete support and unconditional love. Exemplifying isn’t done much anymore. You make life better. Thanks for that.
OMG, DAE IDENTIFY AS A APACHE DHDHRLLDRFFF. > Facebook and Reddit every time anything like this is brought up. Social conservatives getting angry about biology
@@anactualbucket1082 Because stating that sex is a spectrum rather than a binary is a blatantly false conclusion. The information is otherwise pretty good.
the "simple solution" fits 98% of all cases, whereas some random defects can arise in 2% of cases and in that 2% a good amount are partially or fully infertile, I wouldn't call them "new sexes" but more a defect of the current sexes.
@Axodus Not even 2% the amount of people with Intersex conditions is actually more like 0.018% So it's about as rare as dwarfism, and personally I've never seen a dwarf in person.
@@Axodus and that's irrelevant, even if 98% fits I to one of two groups, that's not a binary, as soon as you admit there are options beyond the second one, it's no longer a binary.
@@Qwerty2000-v9l Colour might be a spectrum but it's all between the two main colours - ultraviolet and infrared. What's your point? There still aren't just two colours or two genders.
Everyone's head will explode if they have at least a basic understanding of biology and logic, and then hear pseudoscientific claims pushed by transgender ideologues.
So there are either male presentations or female presentations. And there is 2% of the population that could have a portion of their presentation be of the opposite sex as the rest of them. Yea that is non binary that is binary with partial presentation. Thats not how spectrums work.
@@des1redlearnz185 there is? a bridge between male-nonbinary-female would be men born with mammary glands and females born without, or having atypical body shape (mainly hip widening/staying the same during puberty) that is the "norm" for the opposite sex. the only thing happening here is you ignoring evidence already there.
@@shlorbin473 "there are more than 2 human sexes" that is the name of the video. We have male presented and female presented. What is the third type. That would make it more than 2 presenting with the opposite of one does not make a different type this video claims there are 3 or more types what is the third type please.
You really have to dig and get lucky. They censord most of the voices calling out Sci Show for going against science. We had this coming, we put sci next to fi for so long that fiction took over.
@@warrenphilips8441 So I'm a biology student studying developmental biology and this is very much representing where the scientific community is now. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it less "Science". To quote something I've seen used a lot (ironically used mostly as an argument for binary thinking) "Science is science, it doesn't care what you believe or think"
@@judith769 that simply isn't true though, i mean maybe in an ideal perfect world but humans run studies and humans decide what studies to run, which is informed by preference which is at least in a small part influenced by political opinion as well as other factors. and when you know for a fact that your work is going to influence politics, you cant say your completely A political. though for reference i did like the video i'm just a physics student checking the state of the scientific method right now
An actual developmental biologist completely debunked the learning utility of this "educational" video: mobile.twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1195045259463602179?s=21
0:14 we just got into the reproduction unit in science and my teacher was talking about chromosomes. He took like 2 minutes explaining like males usually have XY and females usually have XX, then this guy just very smoothly transitions into talking about intersex people, he spent like ten minutes on that. He is my third favourite teacher right now (behind my band teacher and my French teacher)
@@magnomanx When biological sex isn't on your side, you must keep finding something that confirms your narrow view of the world. Anisogamy is about gamates. No one is debating gamates. If you look at the research on anisogamy, it's supports polygamy for people with smaller gamates. So if you're in support of the typical American dream of one man, one women, 2 children--then supporting anisogamy is actually against your best interests.
@magnomanx It seems you haven't read much into the theory. Anisogamy suggests that because of the difference in gamates that males should be permiscuous because they contribute less to the process of rearing and also have mircogamtes and not macrogamates. The theory says that because females have macrogamates and have more time sink in the process of reproduction means that they would be less inclined to such.
@@thathanka it seems you haven't realized that the science of biology never makes should or ought claims. It describes what is or is not. Anisogamy suggests that males produce motile gametes and that means they can reproduce with many females. It never says they should. Moral claims are not within the purview of biology.
My best friend (who killed himself during covid) had xxy chromosomes. He also had ASD and OCD, which I ponder if was related. When he went out in public, despite presenting and identifying as a male hippy, he'd get an uncomfortable amount of attention from men. Hope you're at peace and feel fully accepted wherever you are dude.
Heya! Another Autistic person here idk about OCD but from what I understand about autism that wouldn't be likely unless chimerism specifically changed how fast their brain developed and how quickly that development plateaued
@L if your vertebrae need to eat then I have some bad news. You have been colonized by a sci-fi manga alien parasite. Vertebrates though generally do need to eat to survive. I say generally because deep sea angler fish males exist and engage in sexual parasitism wherein they fuse their bodies to that of a female and essentially become a sperm producing parasite. They are absorbing nutrients (plants also do that) but not actually "eating" per se. In biology the words "generally", "usually", and "typically" do a lot of heavy lifting because as was pointed out the one thing that you can count on in biology is that once you "know" a pattern you will find some weird sheet that counters that pattern. Mother Nature just loves to look you dead in the eye and say "hey you wanna see the craziest dam thing you've ever seen in the whole of your species pathetic existence? Like real FXCKING weird?" Ma Nature is absolutely 🦇 💩.
"Did I learn nothing but lies in High school?" yes, because science is so complicated and constantly changing that it has to be dumbed down so much that it basically becomes a misrepresentation of the facts before you can teach it to the average teenager.
tinyjazzhands: I dropped out of both a BSc program, and Nursing School as well, and my concepts about sexual development were improved by this video. Scientific understanding of “sex” has changed since the 70’s and 80’s!
I agree, except for a small detail. I'd say not "before you can teach it to the average teenager". It's more "before you can reduce it to a simple enough message that it will both be agreed upon by those setting educational standards (often with their own cultural or religious biases) and be able to fit into the standardized curriculum being shoved into kid's heads on a strict schedule". Kids and teens are totally capable of understanding way more than we give them credit for. It's just that we force them into education that doesn't work with how their brain learns.
@@gregordaine7944 when have humans ever practiced selective breeding outside of isolated communities? If anything we're purpose built to intermingle as much as possible.
Forgot about that. Thanks. The little EQ thing to the right of number of comments. Playback speed is good for long reddits if your impatient. And "oh dear" indeed! 😬 😂
@@magnomanxhard to name each individual manifestation when you're still sorting them all out. There's probably going to end up being some long medical list of potential variations so you can be medically listed as something like 'male - standard' or 'male - 1.b.t35 standard' or something based on the number and type of variations you have. The real in between cases would be described by their mosaic or chimeric or hermaphroditic status and the various ways those can manifest. But until then, it's basically male, female, complicated.
@@wyattk300 bad analogy. I can name any number you want me to. If you specifically ask me for an imaginary or irrational number I can name one and tell you why they are classified as such. I'd like to see you do the same for the "other sexes".
When I took a course on genetics the first thing they hammered into our heads is that NOTHING ABOUT DNA IS AS SIMPLE AS YOU THINK IT IS. Sex and gender were one of the examples given, but there's just so much more variation and complexity in the world than people imagine.
No one is debating that genetics/DNA isn't overly complicated, the problem comes when people try to classify the usefulness of these complications. How common a variation is, also affects how someone will think about it too. Remember these "defects" are less the 2% In most cases, so why should the exception to the rule, break the rule (Not to say that we shouldn't accommodate or help these people because their body gave them attributes that are often less than desirable)? My general stance is, be kind to them, even if they are not normal.
Hakkapeele that depends, would you consider how many fingers you are born with as being on a spectrum, because by your same logic that is also true, I am not denying these “sexes” exist even if they can be completely non-functional. But it matters that we should look at the bigger picture, exceptions to the rule doesn’t break the rule, because these exceptions are not functional as a fully fledged sex.
@@MrFizzy-ur9eh I would consider it true that some people do not have 5 fingers, yes. I would consider it false that all people have 5 fingers. As some do not. It certainly seems, to me, that if some people are born with more or less than 5 fingers, there is a spectrum which extends beyond 5 in both directions, with a heavy cluster, the overwhelming majority, falling at exactly 5. But certainly, those with more or less are still real, and for all I know, those could be perfectly functional, not necessarily "defective" in any other way than being different from the norm.
This so much lol I've had several people just stop commenting at me when I posted by out the list of sources. I have to assume this made it to some dark corner of Reddit where people aren't aware the scishow lists it's sources.
Sources still don't say that these abnormalities prove human beings having more than two sexes. Plus a biologist rips into this video specifically- mobile.twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1195045259463602179?s=21
At a kennel I worked at, there was a dog with DSD. The dog appeared male, but when the owners tried to neuter the dog, the vet realized the second testicle was inside. So the vet opened the dog’s abdomen and found the second testicle - as well as ovaries. The owners had already named the dog “Caleb” so they just went on with that and called the dog “him”, but since dogs don’t have a concept of gender for Caleb to identify with, there wasn’t really anything to say definitively whether he would be considered a male dog or a female dog. So me and the other kennel workers liked to call him our “non-binary doggo” lol
@@nicreven Haha, I realize this was probably not your intention, but I read your "very good" in a very sinister tone in my head at first, and was like "oh no, what are they planning to do with that dog!?"
Legit question. When does something cross the line between variation and a defect? Without modern medicine what would happen to someone that has a blocked urethra as a result of a DSD? Wouldn't they be dead without surgery? Which means a DSD that resulted in a blocked urethra 1000 years ago was a death sentence, not apart of the sexual spectrum.
I'm not an expert, but I mean... they still would have been a person before they died. So, I'd say you should still include that as part of the spectrum.
Literally whatever we decide. Science is what humans use to understand the world. The categories are made up, the terminology isn’t real, it’s all just whatever works for us to create a better understanding of the world.
@@icoele I wasn't necessarily saying exclude them from the spectrum but if your specific condition on the spectrum causes issues with fertility or even survival, then it's kind of like cancer or some genetic disease. Those would be defects, versus having blue eyes or green eyes which really doesn't matter because it's jut variation. Does that make sense? It's about how we should be perceiving DSD's which will influence medical, social an policy issues. Is just variation or is it a defect? This video would, to me, indicate it's just variation.
I learned most of this in grade 11 biology. It's been so frustrating refuting all the arguments from ignorance. Thank you for this, Hank! You rock, bud!
@@50PercentBS They made the video controversial by trying to use a fact to create a false conclusion. There are only two sexes. There is a spectrum of DSDs. The video title is inflammatory because it's trying to conflate the two when it's sources do not agree with it.
This video has a lot of issues. It doesn’t even define sex, let alone provide more than two sexes. It just provides some examples of sex development disorders, which doesn’t make sex a spectrum.
@Anahusband2727 what makes me wrong? What are the other sexes provided in the video? Hank literally conceded on sex being binary as valid and that by “sex is a spectrum” he actually meant something completely different on twitter “Nuh uh” is not a valid argument. Substantiate your claims.
@Anahusband2727 imagine being so dumb you think two is a spectrum. Imagine not knowing what sex is and thinking that biologists have a quantitative “sex scale” with some “sex units” that they measure all anisogamous organisms on and it just so happens that the only resulting sexes they measure is male and female.
@Anahusband2727 given the fact that you don’t even know what a bimodal distribution is, let alone sex, I’d say that you’d do well to consider that this is not a topic you understand well. I really think you should consider why you thought “It’s irreducibly complex”, something creationists use as an argument, was a proper argument over *actually learning what sex is and demonstrating your claims*
@@Renoht290 I mean it makes sense to me, but why do you think otherwise? And it's not like everyone is special, there is a binary malefemale but there are also irregularities in the chromosomal development of sex, as said in the video.
They finally talked about Turner’s. I have that. I am phenotypically female and biologically as well by default, since I don’t have the SRY gene. Since I don’t have the double dose of some of the female reproductive genes, those parts are underdeveloped or missing. I do have a vagina and uterus, but they couldn’t find my ovaries. And, even if I did have them they will most likely be hard and fibrous with little to no eggs. So, to keep up my female parts, I take a hormone patch and I had to take growth hormone shots. There is a gene on the X that needs two copies, so people with Turners are short. The good thing is it doesn’t affect my general intelligence, and actually helps it in some ways. Girls with Turner’s normally have a similar cognitive profile to those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder. This means there is a noticeable split between verbal and nonverbal IQ. So, I have a wide vocabulary, retain information well, and can read on a high level, but I have trouble with visiospatial things, understanding body language and sarcasm, and with directions. It does sadden me that it will be pretty much impossible for me to have biological kids without divine intervention, but there are plenty of kids who need moms and dads that are in foster care now. Though Turners can be tough to have at times, I trust this is how God wanted it and is part of my divinely ordained purpose and plan.
This is so interesting but if you mind can I ask how has this if at all changed your perspective on the ideas of sex n gender? Like does this at all change how to identify, relate or not feel part of the lgbtq+ community like how the intersection community is divided, n from what I'm getting u are religious so have you ever had problems with ppl invadating you being a women(if you identity as that) or made u struggle with gender dysphoria?
Laney L - this is a valuable and thoughtful contribution to this discussion - so thank you very much. You are obviously very well-informed on this topic and you write very well indeed - in a style that demonstrates a solid disciplined education, intelligence and insight. Previous to this, my only knowledge of Turner Syndrome was from a brief introduction at medical school. It's a great pleasure to correspond with you and I wish you all the best from Australia!
This is the type of person who will be effected by those bigoted, uneducated, fear-mongering, hypocritical, know-nothings who are making bomb threats to children's hospitals!
I have Turner Syndrome, which means a piece of one of my X chromosomes is broken off so I'm very interested in this video. Thank you for amending the learning disabilities claim; I might be socially disordered lol, but I got good enough grades and I have a college degree and will have a post grad certification in 2 weeks
My first Bio prof in uni told us of a fellow soldier (decades ago) who was the father of 6 girls. When dna testing was developed, he learned that though physically fully functionally male, genetically he was actually female, double x.
No. Thts not how tht works. He is still a male because one of the X chromosomes had a SRY gene and androgen receptors, making the X essentially a Y chromosome
@@zerog1037you weren’t listening very well. He was intersex. The SRY gene alone is not indicative of one’s sex, it is just one of a number of factors which determine sexual development. The actions of the SRY gene can also be stymied at various points by the absence or presence or actions of various proteins.
... and this is what you get when you abandon SELECTIVE breeding and force MASS PRODUCTION on children. Allow degenerate breeding, get degenerate children = child abuse. of course this show never mentioned child abuse.
@@qeiwpwldkdofshishdijxosix9518 nope, I was just pointing out that this joke can result misleading for anyone who jumped straight into the comments without actually watching what the video is about.
Nature doesn't care about our comfort or about conforming to our relatively narrow human categories. Reality (of which human biology is a part) is mind-bogglingly complex. No surprises there! And I think it's safe to say that essentially none of the 19K (at the time of me viewing this) people who disliked this video even watched it. But props to SciShow for tackling this complex and (unbelievably) controversial subject!!!
@@olajuwon021 You're right, linking a Twitter account was dumb. Of course she's very biased. I didn't realize that in the moment. So why don't we try to understand what's bothering people on both sides? I'm sorry, it's gonna be a long read but I'm confident that it will give you new insights to consider if you'll try to read with a genuine interest. Here's my current understanding of the issue... There's nothing "wrong" with the title! Both the "Left" and the "Right" scientific perspective can be technically correct, but they systematically kick each other in the nuts because of semantics... You can totally classify every single potential abnormal sex mutation as a new sex manifestation, but extremely genotypical inconsistent sex mutations are (by definition) not classifiable as a new evolutionary reproductive significant sex. Humans overwhelmingly consistently produce males and females with complementary and evolutionary significant reproductive value, and overwhelmingly inconsistently produce abnormal sex development disorders with insignificant evolutionary reproductive value. Every single genetic abnormality can technically be classified as a new manifestation. But only two sexes (Reproductive Roles) are classifiable as consistently evolutionary significant based on natural selection's reproductive value: Male and Female (the ONLY two Evolutionary Reproductive Roles). In humans the Reproductive Roles are Male sperm production and Female egg production/gestation. Thus, human sex evolutionary significance can only manifest itself with an overwhelmingly consistent Binary System expressing those two Reproductive Roles. The important question here is not if there's only male and female, but WHY male and female are the predominant overwhelmingly consistent manifestation of sex. And the evolutionary answer is: Spectrums of inconsistent abnormal mutations are exactly what evolutionary natural selection can't rely on to carry a genotypical successful species for hundreds of thousands of years, and that's exactly why abnormal genetic mutations are so uncommon in nature and are usually treated as Development Disorders, Conditions and Syndromes. Here's the conflict in this comment section: Group A is arguing that there are more than two human sex manifestations (technically true as long you don't get specific enough about what's evolutionary significant). Group B is (actually) arguing that there are only two evolutionary reproductive significant human sex manifestations (technically true as long as you get specific enough about what's evolutionary significant). The funny thing is that they're BOTH right, but they don't really know why. If they knew, they wouldn't argue. People don't understand each other simply because they use the same exact concept to mean different things (semantics). As far as humans are concerned.... There are (way) MORE than two possible expressions of sex characteristics (every possible mutation), there are ONLY two Reproductive Roles (Male sperm production and Female egg production/gestation). There's a SPECTRUM of possible expressions of sex characteristics, there's an overwhelmingly consistent Evolutionary Binary System of Reproductive Role based sex manifestation (Male and Female). In a nutshell: Biological sex is a Spectrum of sex characteristics expressed through an Evolutionary Binary System of Reproductive Roles. Why this definition? 1) Spectrum and Binary System are happening simultaneously and one is manifested through the other. 2) The core elements of the Binary System are not necessarily males and females but their feminine and masculine Reproductive Roles (Male Sperm and Female Egg). 3) Male and Female are names we give to a specific configuration of masculine and feminine sex characteristics but the real Binary thing to emphasize is the reproductive roles of sperm and egg. 4) Of course in the vast majority of cases Male and Female are synonymous with sex, and they should be treated as binary in relation to their reproductive functions. But non always sex is defined that way, some define sex simply as a configurations of sex characteristics. And that definition also includes intersex people. 5) And, while I don't necessarily agree with a definition of sex that doesn't take in account Reproductive Roles, I wanted my title to be comprehensive of any definition of sex while emphasizing the context of a Evolutionary Binary System based on feminine and masculine Reproductive Roles that produces an overwhelming predominant output of Males and Females along with rare anomalies that my title still takes in account. Now let's see what can we do about names... Reproduction Roles = Masculine & Feminine (Sperm & Eggs, X & Y) Since only masculine and feminine characteristics exist, even if every possible configuration of sex characteristics gets a new name, every new configuration will inevitably be either biologically masculine or feminine in accordance with a specific set of chromosomes. It's a practical impossibility to have a perfectly balanced configuration of masculine and feminine sex characteristics in an individual and roughly 99% of people will always be clearly either masculine or feminine, presenting chromosomal consistency with their phenotype (primary sex characteristics) sex. Even the majority of DSD (Disorders of Sex Development) individuals present chromosomal consistency with primary sex characteristics and are still considered clearly masculine or feminine, although they may present some degree of intersex traits. An individual can be defined truly intersex only when chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in when the phenotype (observable sex characteristics) is not classifiable as either masculine or feminine. Those are less than 1% of people. But now what? We still need to figure out the names right? Kinda, but that's more of a matter of culture and linguistic convenience than biology... We have 3 main categories in the Spectrum: Masculine individuals Feminine individuals Intersex individuals Biology tell us that there are only two Reproductive Roles in humans (masculine and feminine). But that doesn't mean that there aren't multiple atypical configurations of sex characteristics in individuals, of course many of those aren't classifiable as evolutionary significant for reproduction purposes (like males & females are). But some people may want to name them (if there isn't already an agreed upon scientific mainstream name available) anyway to feel more comfortable with their peculiar biological make up, and that's pretty much where biology ends and verbal agreements between people begin with all the gender talk. But that's a can of worms I ain't gonna open here. Peace
@@bluebotlivingston6016 Nope, you betray your vested moral interests when you use the word, "abnormal." Then you insist on "disorders" without recognizing that the medical vocabulary you adopt is value-laden. You add nothing to the discussion other than a dressed-up sermon.
@@joelpowell4792 Good thinking. Everything is normal and all medical treatment is elective. Make them pay for their own surgeries and therapy. Broken leg? Walk it off and stop being an ableist!
@@Axodus man, you are obsessed and wrong, hilariously wrong on its face. Read your own comments "if 98% of people fit in a binary" 2% dont and sex isnt a binary, you played yourself.
@@Axodus You are "normal", everything in the universe is black and white, and everything you believe is true. Any exceptions can be simply dismissed as an abnormality and absolutely nothing learned from them. There, do you feel better now? I hear it's even easier to believe if you don't obsessively troll-comment on the internet.
My mother was extremely masculine. From having a very deep voice, to a full beard, was 6 feet tall and much bigger boned that most women. When I was 28 she told my sister and I that she was never supposed to have children and that we were the miracle that made her a woman. (We are twins) She had surgery at 24 years old because she tried to kill herself over her “differences”. She said her hormones tested her as male, she had most female sex organs but very male traits otherwise and a very long clitoris. There wasn’t enough known then so this answers a lot for me now. She also had learning disabilities and epilepsy. The only thing is she was also hit by a car when she was 5. This is the first time I’ve heard of some forms of intersex causing learning disabilities. I always felt it was more than just her accident. She also thought about sex and relationships more like a man. I was embarrassed as a kid because other kids would ask me if that was my mom or my dad. Im grateful she told me the truth and I feel lucky to have had a mother that was intersex.
Honestly I dont understand why people are disliking this so much. This is actual useful knowledge, and learning more about this kind of thing could be beneficial in the long run, to help spread awareness of this sort of thing.
People spamming dislikes with no reason, really. This video is about ANOMALIES in normal sex developement that cause a person to fall in a spectrum between male and female due to not having a regular sex differentiation, nothing unheard of, completely scientific. ...i was scared they would have went the woke route too initially, but they haven't.
@@Starius2 pushing for acceptable treatment of people actually born with deformed,surplus or otherwise atipical genitals isn't nearly comparable to the shitshow of gender dysphoria and trans people the left is forcing down our throats. You could argue that it's the polar opposite as the treatment, prior to recent years ,was to force a newborn into artificial gender dysphoria by either omitting important info about their body or surgically removing unwanted bits. And, if we assume that "trans" means to transition from your birth sex: THEY WERE MAKING BABY TRANS PEOPLE.
I’m a cytogenetic technologist, and even though this is a difficult subject to understand, this is a very straightforward explanation. It is even more complicated than this. Lol
There are people and they are males and females and there are segments of both which present with various birth defects, psych disorders, and some with both-- none of which are evidence of other genders invalidating the binary-- seems fairly straight forward and not complicated at all
@@devilsadvocate9105 Too many are inappropriately conflating a spectrum of developmental sexual disorders, birth defects, personality traits, temperament and psych disorders-- as evidence invalidating the binary and it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny
@@zachman5150 that's a lot of ways to say you don't understand what your talking about and hate your world view being challenged. It's not like actual scientists and phychologists are involved in these studies or anything
I think I remember an episode of “House MD” where the big twist was that the patient turned out to have complete androgen insensitivity and so appeared female but had underdeveloped testes hanging around inside of them, and that this was somehow related to whatever mysterious ailment they were suffering from.
Which was stupid and impossible because the complete lack of breasts or any sign of female puberty and the short stature would have given it away long ago. Complete androgen insensitivity is the same as turner’s syndrome in effect. It’s also something a trained eye can see, and you’re not going to be a model with the condition because it makes you look odd (and be short). They tried to play partial androgen insensitivity got points (height), but it would have been discovered long before, too.
@@magnomanxActually that's not true, there's studios that show that trans people tend to have a brain structure more similar to the opposite sex than their own birth sex
@@magnomanx If gender identity is always completely independent of biological sex, then yes, it is always irrelevant. But if gender identity is influenced by or related to biological sex in any way, then it's not so irrelevant.
About 1-2% of people in the world are intersex. So half of Russias entire population or about the same as the amount of people with red hair. It's not like they're unicorns.
I seriously hope the mutilation of intersex babies stops, and that people will hear out what this video has to say... instead of getting their lil feelings hurt and running off to their safe space because they hate learning new things or caring about other people.
@@recreationalnukes4251 these surgeries are damaging and irreversible, often impairing an intersex person's ability to conceive or even have sex later in life. and they're essentially pointless, done for aesthetics. and if an extra digit works, isn't just a tumour on your hand, and doesn't impair your hand function in any way, then yes? you can totally leave it up to the child to make the decision as an adult?
Sven why leave a painful surgery until the patient has the ability to remember how painful it was, not to mention what are the odds they won’t want the surgery when they get older especially since they may need it in order to undergo puberty.
Canonymous Shadow it unlikely they’ll grow up to identify as the opposite sex they lean towards. Also it will need to be done before puberty and thats when you actually know what gender you identify with so either way the child won’t be able to make an informed choice. Also I’m just “mad genders a spectrum” first the exception doesn’t decide the rule and second you’re the headcase politicising common sense surgery.
I was taught about it, but only as an illness(?) Like, effects in development, brain, etc If was never said a person can have just not have these problems at all Or even possibly live all their lives without even noticing
Mississippi person here. We learned it in school too, but most students weren’t there to learn and didn’t care to remember. Also... it’s the south... religion has a way of convincing people that scientists are lying evil devil worshipers, so... 😔
Isn't this knowledge pretty old though? When I was in high school, we had anatomy textbooks from 2000ish, and while it had almost no immunology that turned out being correct, the XXY and XYY and chimerism were in there.
It's literally older than the scientific method or our understanding of how reproduction works, but for some reason people get really offended when they hear something that their underpaid 10th grade science teacher didn't have time to teach them
This was stuff taught in my 7th grade health class, the only difference is now they're labeling gender as a spectrum instead of labeling the people as genetically defective. In other words, the science hasn't actually changed, the scientists are just having to be politically correct so they don't get sued every time they print a health/biology book
I learned this in school. When people start to mix science with politics or religion, thats when you get problems. The biology is complex but straightforward.
@@TheUndeadslayer221 I once heard an anthropologist say that the whole idea of intelligent design disproves religion because we are not designed intelligently, there are so many flaws in our physiology. I thought that was interesting to think about.
@@fastrockproductions9788 before you tell others to read them because you think they back up his claims you should read it. I’d be very interested to know which one you think supports his claim. Hint: it’s none of them
last part is so heartbreaking. of course surgery is sometimes necessary, but it is horrible that so many people feel the need to alter an infant's body to fit their standards of male and female. the choice to have an elective surgery should be left to the person undergoing it. im glad we're moving away from these procedures, but it definitely still happens.
I would just ask the doctor if the baby needed any surgery to prevent medical complications, like if stuff were tied in knots. But if that's the way God made their body, maybe it should be left alone. My parents had me circumcised as an infant, I never had a choice.
Let me be clear, I am not disagreeing with you. But this way of thinking is a modern product. To the people 30+ years ago who had limited knowledge of this and were likely unaware that it was fairly common, surgery was the humane and logical thing to do. They didn’t consider the (at the time) unlikely possibility that this would cause dysphoria. Take polydactyls for example, an extra finger could be an issue. It may not be functional or could be difficult to treat in the future. So a lot of times extra fingers or limbs are removed. For them, it was the same line of thinking. If everyone* (as they would have thought) has “normal” genitals and they look a certain way, then a misformarion of them could cause issues. Or rather than being a sign of not fitting into one of 2 genders, it could have been seen as a simple defect at birth. So until we learned more, surgical correction was considered necessary and humane.
@@DewyRueskie-sl7nkThe issue is that it hasn't stopped. Like at all at least in the US. It's still the standard procedure and sometimes parents won't even be told it's being done, let alone the child when they're older. People thinking differently in the past isn't really an applicable line of discussion in response to people saying that something still actively going on should stop.
sometimes the people choosing that a surgery must be done are the ones saying that people shouldn't "mutilate their bodies". dude you would do the same thing to your child so they would fit your perfect little boxes. wild
When I was in middle school, I was friends with someone who was intersex. She identified as a girl, and she had a somewhat masculine voice. A lot of kids bullied her, and it pissed me off because she was such a sweet girl. If they took the time to get to know her, they'd see how cool she was. She explained to me what it was like to be intersex (she had both male and female parts) and I thought it was actually pretty interesting. I'd never heard of that before.
kids can be jerks. and so can adults. I hope your friend found many accepting friends in her adulthood. thankfully as this knowledge spreads, there are more people that understand there's a lot of differences in people and we shouldn't mock or tear down people because of those differences.
@@Psilly-Spirit Yes, but sadly most people don't try to learn about the struggles of other people if it doesn't effect them personally. And then when suddenly confronted with something they don't understand, they act like it's this terrible thing that needs to be attacked or avoided. We're all just human though. I wish people could love each other and accept all the differences. But I guess you can't have it all. Some people are just going to be assholes.
I once moved an old cemetery for reburial. There were no stones or records, so we determined the age and sex of each skeleton in case someone was looking for a relative. I don't know the precisely numbers, but a high percentage of them had at least one trait of the opposite sex, and more than a few appeared to professional archaeologists to be half and half. If bones can have a mix of male and female traits, surely other parts of the body can as well, and so might the brain and the mind.
If there were no headstones or records, determining the age or sex of the skeletons would not help any relatives identify them, now would it? What would the conversation be like? "Hi, I'm looking for my great granddad, he was 98 years old when he died?"....get's shown a pile of old "gender neutral bones"... "yes that must be him!" Something isn't adding up!
@@simonmuhamed1071 I was working with professional archaeologists/anthropologists. We sure wouldn't have bothered to try to determine their sexes if it couldn't be done for the overwhelming majority of them. The undeterminable ones were a small, but real minority. This was a potter's field. Most of them were buried in lines, in the order of their deaths. So rough estimates of dates of burial were possible. If a skeleton hasn't decomposed too badly, the age of the deceased can be determined to within a few years. These were the best possible methods for finding them. Obviously, the chances are slim. But if you were searching for someone you loved, wouldn't you want the best effort to be made?
A close friend of mine who was assigned female at birth, identified as female, and has totally normal looking female anatomy found out she actually has XY chromosomes after she was having a health issue and got genetic testing done. Gender and sex are definitely on a spectrum, even if it's not always obvious. If she never had genetic testing done she may have never found out.
@@magnomanxThen the person’s friend would really be a man, even though they have the appearance and anatomy of a woman, since they are a genotypic male. Problem is, that doesn’t make any sense and isn’t a useful classification
@@mcmatthew7898 I'd say they would be chromosomally male and phenotypically female. I've always said that sex is a function of reproduction rather than phenotype expression but in this case the phenotypes align more with the female reproductive functions.
Fun fact: the coat color of cats is determined by genes on the X chromosome (on the black/brown/orange spectrum, not really white patches). Which means that to have 2 different colors in the coat, such as in a calico or tortoiseshell, the cat is almost always female! But males do exist with this coat pattern for some of the same genetic reasons explained in this video
The "inside male, outside female" (Androgen Insensitive Syndrome) was on an episode of House, for exactly the reason mentioned at 11:35. The patient was a model (gorgeous lady) and ended up being diagnosed with that because she had testicular cancer.
@@facelessdrone yeah as much as I love house it can be very problematic. A lot of bigotry written of as jokes or not meant to be taken seriously. So it hasn’t aged well
@Josh the Art Critic so you didn't even read my comment, but you reply anyway, nice. I took issue with you calling scientific journals, "political websites". Your disregard for scientific journals combined with your displayed reading skills does not lead me to believe that you "reading up on this" actually provided you with any scientific knowledge.
@@lordfreeza_ to be honest, I could believe it. They don’t necessarily believe it and there are a lot of terms that are misunderstood such as sex determination and intersex
@@DerpMcDerp-gb3ss "intersex" isn not even a term used in the medical field anymore, the correct term is dsd (developmental sex disorders). And its not one thing, the term intersex was an umbrella term for multiple conditions its not a separate sex. There are even sex specific intersex conditions meaning they only effect males or females so the idea that people with intersex conditions are a third sex is just ridiculous
It turns out that most everything is more complex than I was taught in high school. While I feel a certain need for simplicity, I certainly do not want simplicity to come at the expense of denying the complexities that other people are living with. And I don’t have to make this a story that centers on ME. I can accept the world as it is.
I mean you can force it to fit. it just means a lot of terraforming way too much time and effort. how this goes into human social content well i just made it sound very bloody...
About time this was clarified. I swear that I read this 12 years ago while in grad school and have never been able to find it again. I hope this information can now be spread. Now I can talk to those that are under informed people and finally have the references.
This video is spreading a lot of misinformation, since it is confusing sex determining system with the reason why we have s*x in the first place (which is anisogamy). Coccodriles do not have se* chromosomes and develop their s*x based on their incubation temparature, despite this they do have male and female se*. Many plants also do have sexes: the only reason why we can say they do have s*x is only do to anisogamy, otherwise it will be impossible to distinguish sexual and asexual species
@@whys_onyx Indeed...and yet used it to imply there are more than two sexes or that sex is a spectrum when none of the things described defined the existence of a new sex, since many animals, plants, etc... have very strong differences between secondary s*x characteristics (some living organisms have from a biological standpoint secondary characteristics that would have been in the opposite s** in another species) and differentiation. Intersex people indeed can have s** too (meaning, yes, intersex people can be male or female under s**) . The fact they can be ambiguous is not equal to a spectrum, otherwise it will be impossible to justify why some living beings with similar features instead are males if we don't rely to the only taxonomically consistent feature (anisogamy). Hermaphrodism is the union of the 2 categories (meaning they are both male and female), not a new s*x, since a new s** would require a new gamete type that differ from the others in terms of function (which means that gamete type alone can influence that species reproductive roles). Needless to say that not having s*x =/= a new s**, since that is the absence of s**, not a new s** by definition.
@@ouwebrood497 science videos should not be click bait. This leads to vapid claims like "the sex binary is a myth" and "male and female are arbitrary categories". It's nice that you are aware that the claim in the title is bollocks, but people who are more ignorant than you will be gullible enough to believe it.
I have someone in my family that had one of those surgeries a long time ago. They made her a girl because it was maybe easier to make a girl then a boy? When they got older you could tell that they weren't supposed to be a girl. It was really sad seeing all the issues that they had to deal with because of it.
A lot of ambiguously-gendered infants were assigned female because "it's easier to dig a hole than build a pole". I'm sure that many of them are suffering the repercussions of this callous assessment in their adulthood.
Sure your family member has a genetic disorder caused by nondisjunction but that doesn't mean sex is a spectrum. People are born with 6 fingers but we don't say the number of fingers humans have on a hand is a spectrum.
@@ziploxian8516 There is a spectrum of things that DO happen. No, it doesn't make it normal. Though it does happen. I'm thinking you've misconstrued the point of the video to assume everyones sex is on a spectrum. There is a spectrum of what's possible, though it doesn't mean that it's average. Biology deals with facts. Not what anyone decides is comfortable.
@@ziploxian8516 A spectrum generally requires two set end points. We don't have a spectrum of finger numbers because it isn't normal for some people to have ten and some to have twenty. If it were, then people with polydactyly who had more than ten but fewer than twenty could truly be said to be on a spectrum. Gender is a spectrum because there are two end points, and a variety of middle cases. All happen naturally, for however you want to define "normal".
While I agree with everything in the video, I don't think 'spectrum' is a great term to describe these myriad sex variations. I think it suggests too strongly that sex is some smooth continuum, instead of a whole bunch of interesting discrete states. Not to mention that it sort of confines DSDs to a single dimension of description. edit: OH! I just found a great replacement word: *constellation*. Sex is a constellation :) source for constellation epiphany: everydayfeminism.com/2014/05/separating-identity-expression/
But that's missing half the points of the video. Because sex isn't only the sex chromosomes genetically. If you define it that way you are ignoring most of the determiners for sex and sex pheonotypes.
sex is often determined by external phenotypes which can be represented by a spectum. With genitals there is a slider between what is considered male and female, which has a bimodal distribution, pretty much every space along that slider has a person who occupies a nearby space depending on how much of what hormone they were exposed to when, and what genes were expressed. Making the spectrum of sex a funtional model, however it doesn't really account for people who express both phenotypical male and female attributes making it incomplete. but I think at this place and time in history the spectrum model is a good stepping stone to a more complete picture for most people
I appreciate this look on it. Spectrum can get way too broad and make these problems lose their meaning. We need to keep categories, but there is a spectrum within those categories. didn't read the article tho, I don't trust the website. But I like the constellation categorization idea
Hi, mosaic Turner here - I wasn't diagnosed until I was supposed to enter puberty and all my peers, as well as my younger sister, grew to be a foot or more taller than me. Since then I have been continuously learning what it means to be, as I like to think of it, a bit of a mutant, and now at 32 am starting the process of figuring out if I am on the autism spectrum, which is exciting. My genes have set me on a path of discovery about myself in every aspect - gender, physiology, psychology - and I am nowhere near the end of it. I am perpetually on the road towards knowing me.
@LouisTeaEnjoyer Which means it isn't binary. Biology isn't a computer program, because there is always an exception and mutation, that's how evolution works
wow 2% actually seems like a lot to me...certainly not a "one in a million" kind of thing. i wonder how high/prevalent something has to be (and visible) for society to accept that it is a thing that exists? it's unfortunate that rarity and invisibility (sometimes surgically purposefully) ends up with people refusing to accept it at all. 😞
yeah, the number is like 1.7-2%, but the vast majority of those are actually quite minor deviations. e.g. if the urethral opening on a penis is a few millimeters to the side, this could be considered a "Disorder of Sexual Development"
because the exception does not invalidate the rule. When you're following a system you're gonna to choose the one that works for the most people, so does it make sense to ignore the other 98% & confuse that to try & appease the mere 2%? It doesn't
@@mrridikilis it is nowhere near 2% the person who made that claim is 1- an anthropologist 2- included people whose let’s say (cuz it’s UA-cam) bits weren’t what society would call pretty (small in ssize)
Yeah I've met a number of people whose argument devolves into "well we can't change policy and our traditions for *one percent* of the population. Like bruh 1 percent means you've definitely met at least 2 of these folks in your life. It's a terrible argument!
I found out at age 47 that I had Klinefelter Syndrome, XXY. I always thought there was something odd, particularly the testicular under-development, but never thought too hard on it. I've always had leading roles at work and was included in an intellectually talented course during high school. Ah well, life is like a box of chocolates...
Yeah there are a few genetic abnormalities like Klinefelters, super females (XXX), super males (XYY), and etc. This is mostly due to non-disjunction during meiosis, meaning that chromosomes fail to separate when gametes are formed leaving more than one sex determining chromosomes in the sperm or egg. So instead of two sex determining chromosomes, one from each parent, you might get 3.
@@tonycampbell1424 Nothing wrong with using Male and Female as standards to help recognize the more statistically rare variations. A variation is recognized from comparisons, after all.
I swear the only thing responsbile for the dislike ratio is the goddamn clickbait title. The video is actually really informative and backed with hard evidence but that title makes me want to throw my laptop out the window with how clickbaity it is.
nuance! layers! textures! context! details! minutiae! dimensions! All relevant, all connected, all difficult to even comprehend - let alone approach -at scale, as the totality of wholeness that it is.
I mean, that's why scientists and scientifically literate people tend not to make absolute claims. Absolute claims are often quippy, comforting, and false.
That’s the fun thing about the universe. As much as we think we can put everything in neat little boxes, it’s not that easy. The world is one big, mysterious mess.
@@Nexus-en1lz Not to mention contradictory. The people who can't handle the idea of intersex people existing will have an even worse time handling quantum physics or the idea that we may well be 2-dimensional holograms in a multiverse. ;P
I can remember that our biology textbooks had a page or so (so, not much, but you take what you can get) about chromosomal specialities: 1X, XXY, XYY and I can remember, that Y alone would be unable to live, because it was insuficient to sustain live. (There are some vital information on the X chromosome)
@@VictorVonVulfgang I would state it as the default androgynous plan for mammals is similar to the female morphology, and having the Y triggers the extra changes to produced a male one. So a OY offspring will be missing the default plans for thier body. Like having a mod kit, but not the original thing you are modding.
I mean this makes sense, evolution takes the easiest route not the one that makes sense to us. But one thing is the Y may be inessential to life but it def is needed for our species to continue to procreate and go on.
@@VictorVonVulfgang Technically not (gender diversion happened from a original organ and the development of sex organs is simultanous instead of modification from one to the other due to "development alterations"/only animals with pseudo hermaphroditic traits, like certain fish that in emergencies can swap sexes, does nature have the case where a ovaries turn to testicles or testicles to ovaries), but its a good simplification for the argument.
I worked with children for 30 some years. And i knew 5 children that had both genders. Some were physically evident, but some were chromosomal/ hormonal. And didn't know it until they were going through puberty or later. One child was given up at birth, the parents couldn't handle it. And one grandparent of one of the children said they should have been killed at birth. It is just so heartbreaking that people are so rigid in their thinking.
Just for some interesting perspective: DSDs overall occur in 1 in 300-500 live births. In the UK Klinefelters syndrome (XXY) occurs in 1 in 600 male births. Down syndrome occurs in 1 in 1000.
@@Schlynn The 2% figure refers to all people with atypical sex development. That includes all possible conditions combined. The three listed are just some examples.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12476264 The 2% figure is a lie, based on another lie from a far left radical activist who has been debunked multiple times. They literally just made up their own definition of intersex to reach the number.
@@oBCHANo you provided a link that disagrees with the deffinition they used. Despite the fact that they present the deffinition they are using immediately. It's not a lie in any sense. You just dont like it being true.
This video has nothing to do with the lgbt community or any social issues, this is just a biology video. Although thousands of dislikers didn’t get the memo
Mario Everything in this video is factually and biologically true. This video is just stating how you can have more than just XX and XY, this video isn’t trying to give anyone suggestions about anything, it’s just a biology video This video isn’t political, YOU made it political
Joshua Salem everything in the video is correct, the title is wrong. This video discusses the science behind sex being on a spectrum, however that doesn’t mean there are more than 2 sexes. It means some people share attributes of both. There’s no third thing, intersex is being partway between. The title being named that way was a political choice, and the video does get political. It doesn’t bring in the social ramifications of a sex binary excluding the intersex if not actively trying to preach about transgenderism. If it wants to be political that’s fine. If hank thinks this will help normalize being trans by bringing to light the science and commonality of intersex people (something that leads to gender dysmorphia often) that’s fine to. I don’t see why people in the comments are plugging their ears and claiming nobody watched the video, I’m starting to think you guys didn’t if you thought this wasn’t in any way political.
Big Boy It’s not political. People are making it that way Also yes, a “spectrum” means you have a line with many different possibilities between the 2 points on either end The electromagnetic spectrum (of visible light at least) goes from 400-700nm. You have red light on one end, violet light on the other, and many different possibilities in between
Because you assume those people watched the video and cared to waste their limited brain capacity on understanding what the video actually discusses. Not that I think they would be more respectful towards intersex people.
@@GigglingStoners it's literally talking about intersex and the different DSDs if you think that this type of education is political then obviously it says more about you than anything.
I’ve been saying this for years. It makes no sense that *every* other aspect of being a human can be on a spectrum but gender or sex isn’t. Thanks for the in-depth look at this topic! ~Trav
Oh god, that sounds like quite the experience. On the bright side, you had a fully developed brain, so you prob weren’t as much of a greasy pain in the ass as a teen boy 😂
I remember reading that, no matter which chromosomes you end up with, you need to have at least an X or the fetus is not viable. That is, you can have XY, XX, XXY, XYY- but not Y or YY.
Tehnically all males are half women because humans need atleast one X chromosome to to exist. When I was kid in school we were taught that male is broken version of woman, break one leg of X and you will end up with Y. Bible would be more scientifically accurate if first human was Eve and Adam was created from piece of her. Usually you can meet men with more than one Y in prisons because it makes them to be caveman brutes. Those other variations of chromosomes are deformation and it doesn't make new genders.
How on earth are you gonna get a YY and no X when the human being that is making you (the woman) HAS NOTHING ELSE BUT X's?!?! The first X is always the mother's and it is impossible to not have an X
Some Additional Info: In this episode, we mentioned that those with XXX chromosomes sometimes have minor learning disorders, and that those with Turner syndrome may have mental disabilities. Everyone experiences these things differently, so these symptoms don't apply in all cases! But as for why they sometimes happen? Well, scientists aren't actually sure, and any ideas they do have are extremely complicated. Hopefully we'll know more soon!
@David Renton Your incredulity means nothing. It is actually less than 2% of the population that is intersex.
JayMcDeejay Your entire comment is incorrect.
Scientists do know, and the fact that you don’t shows how stupid you are.
David Renton being a chimera is not synonymous with intersex; many, perhaps most go their entire lives without knowing they are such. There was a case of a woman who was right and was having her children removed from her because her DNA did not match with theirs. It turned out she was a chimera and further testing did find she had another set of DNA that matched her children.
Exactly because human beings are not supposed to have XXX. It’s a defect; not another sex.
Who else saw the title and went straight to the comments section?
🙋🏻♂️
Lmao I was already assuming a moderate video, going to dive into the very rare sex group with more than one sex organ... but I also knew people would jump to conclusion and hit a like or dislike button before watching the video.. 😂😂😂
I grabbed popcorn first but yeah
@Voltaic Fire which were lies in the video?
Watched about 50 seconds, then I couldn't take more.
Wrong. There is only one gender. It's nerf, or nothing.
What's in your wallet??
Gamers rise up
There is only one sex: the human sex
@@Mud9 my food stamp card because I'm poor.
GAMERS RISE
When I was fifty, I found out in a hysterectomy that I had a small incomplete second uterus attached to my main one. It had no exit. That explained a lot.
My surgeon was so excited. He'd never found one before. Lol
That's interesting! If you don't mind me asking, did you have any previous pregnancies? I'm curious as to how it might have affected ultrasound images. I hope everything with your surgery went well. My mom had to have a total hysterectomy after a uterine prolapse when she was in her early 40's and I know it was a tough recovery for her.
So you are a womanx2?
You know that means you almost absorbed vestigial twin.
Years ago, I had a client who was hermaphrodite. His family did not allow any surgery, and when she was young, with a body that looked female, they explained that she might want to be a boy someday, and if so, she might feel like expressing that. She went through quite a bit of emotional pain through adulthood, feeling attracted to women but also looking and feeling like one. She decided in the end to get hormone therapy and became a He with a vagina. He consulted with me about his potential love life. The last time we talked, he was very happy being his authentic self, and I hope he has continued to be so! Everyone is here for their own adventure. We really need to learn to be more accepting of what is not about us and just mind our own business if we can't be supportive. This young person was not the average. He spent his first 2.5 decades feeling like a stranger to all humanity. A good reminder to just be kinder. Everyone has a story you can't see.
Being "kind" shouldn't mean lying about human biology. A "hermaphrodite" has a fixed biological sex with abnormalities in sec characteristics. They are not outside of the sex binary.
@CallMeGailyn there's no such thing as a hermaphrodite.... it's a archaic term not used in medicine today..
Please educate yourself 🙏
@@lordfreeza_that last bit feels a little harsh dont you think? you got your point across in the first sentence, no need to sour the interaction
@@antfangz how so?
Thank you for sharing this story❤
I remember a case of chimerasm where this mother was about to lose custody of her children because they were not biologically hers. Found out that her reproductive organs belonged to her twin that she absorbed in the womb.
wow thats crazy, i hope she has her kids still
Say whaaaat
I remember this story ☺
I remember seeing a documentary about that, it was wild. I'm glad the judge thought to test her latest kid right after birth.
wtf
As a Molecular Biology major, I'm fond of saying that Biology is the study of imperfect generalizations.
As a Biology major, I concur! Biology isn't math; it's a field complicated and complex beyond human comprehension, for every rule there's an exception.
as a physics major there is something wrong with you biology people, to let your politics and feelings dictate what you consider valid.
@@Blox117 Maybe, just maybe, you don't know what you're talking about? You aren't a biology major, as you yourself admitted, after all, yes?
@@Blox117 They just said human biology is morr complex than people think. What's political about that? It's a scientific fact
Would you agree that there are still the categies Tiger and Lion and not a spectrum, even though you can have a nonfunctioning animal in between?
Sees title in notifications: Oh God
Sees like ratio: *OH GOD*
@@Censtudios yes, smartass!
@@Censtudios the video claims that birth defects with extra chromosomes are new sexes. If you believe this, you are the extremely uneducated one. That's like saying if someone is born without arms, it's completely normal and they shouldn't be fitted for prosthetics to help them function like a normal human.
@@DeadBaron He didnt say they were new sexes, just not 100% one or the other.
@@DeadBaron "Humans aren't born with 10 fingers! Some are born with none!" Is the same logic as what's put in this video.
@@Censtudios Ignorance isn't exclusive to Americans. There's plenty of ignorance to go around.
Science shows us biology is complicated and full of wonders. It's very sad when people reject all of it because they want their reality to be simple, even more so considering that's often motivated by political manipulation.
Science shows us atypical phenotypes all the time. It's very sad when people ignore the definitions of categories because they want their reality to be a spectrum, even more so considering that's often motivated by ideological brainwashing.
“This is complex” does not mean “I can make up whatever I want and anything that is not complex is wrong”
Just because you are not educated and are easily surprised by some random fun facts does not mean there are more than two sexes
I’m sure that it is frustrating that despite there being all kinds of wonders and complex mechanisms in evolution, there is a silver lining that is so simple and obvious
@@magnomanx What is sad is that people want to rewrite maths because they want to exclude the exceptions from their tidy little box of moral dogmas.
@@DerpMcDerp-gb3ss lolwut, are you saying people with DSDs are made up? Delusional
fun fact i learned: male calico cats actually have DSDs, they are XXY because the genes necessary for the tri-color pattern requires two X chromosomes. that’s why they’re so rare.
also female orange cats!
Debunkign repose: ua-cam.com/video/OKdhsDfSmiE/v-deo.html
Also rare because male calicos are sterile
And they're almost always infertile, unable to reproduce. Which underscores that there are still only TWO reproductively viable biological sexes in mammals. Anything else is a developmental or genetic anomaly, defect, or abnormality that in the vast majority of cases renders them unable to reproduce, or have high rates of genetic or chromosomal defects. We are not worms. There are only two viable sexes in primates.
@@melouch9895 Female gingers are not "rare". About 12% ~ 15% of gingers are female or one in every seven to eight.
To my biology teacher's credit, he did mention additional chromosomes and DSDs. Good man! And that was 2003 ish.
Same! I'm fortunate my biology teacher taught me most of this in 2005. In a public school, no less.
Don’t be surprised, they’ve been teaching it for decades everywhere. There was never an issue cuz DSDs don’t mean there’s more than 2 sexes. That’s like saying conjoined twins is a gender.
1989 i heard this too.
Back in the mid 2000's, it wasn't connected national hot button. It was just information a thorough study of the human body would turn up. Your teacher is commendable not for his political/moral stance, but for his diligence in teaching detail.
@Dr. Fausto's Ghost Sex is a bimodal distribution, not a binary. That's the distinction.
oof, that's one hell of a dislike ratio already
How many minutes before the ratio is hidden?
It was published what, four minutes ago? And the video's thirteen long? Huh.
Yeah many people agree with science until it makes them uncomfortable
@@GoggleGum Is it controversial? Or have people just reacted violently to something they didn't take the time to understand?
EDIT: For the weird internet pedants below who haven't heard, it's possible to use "violent" as an adjective to describe a vicious or extreme reaction, even if no physical blows have been landed. It's almost as though quibbling over semantics is the nearest they'll ever get to making a valid point...
Cinderball In what sense of the word is disliking something violent?
2% is the percentage of redheads. It's not a small percentage. No one thinks redheads are rare enough to ignore.
No one thinks redheads are a new species of human. Just like no one thinks intersex is a new sex.
Most intersex conditions will unambiguously still fit into male or female binary sex categories.
@@mystic22g4 Really? How about people with Swyer syndrome?
@@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440 A rare genetic condition in which people who have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome (the usual pattern for males) look female. They have normal female reproductive organs, including a uterus, fallopian tubes, and vagina.
The rate isn’t 2%. Not only did he take an estimate that was debunked 20 years ago but added a 0.3% to it
Facts don’t care about your feelings just got a whole new meaning.
"facts don't care about your feelings!"
"the scientific consensus is that neither gender nor sex are binary-"
"i will choose to ignore these facts because they don't align with my feelings"
@@jokunortti lol, Males produce sperm that fertilises an Ova, females produce an ova that is fertilised by sperm to create a baby, any entity that does not do one of these two things is not a new sex, they are an abnormality. Chimera exist but they too are an abnormality not a new magical 3rd sex, as far as i'm aware nobody reproduces like a f*cking bacteria in the human species. My feeling = zero, now please come back at me with all of YOUR feelings.
@@carloskillface5990 Nearly the entire population of Russia (130 million intersex/DSD vs 140 million Russia's population) is a bit higher than what I would call an "abnormality." This video has a provocative title, but that title isn't exactly what's being shown in it. Hank Green (and nearly every biologist) is saying that sex is a spectrum. Not 2. Not 3. Not 57000. A spectrum.
@@wiiu42 LOL 130 million people have one leg, there is spectrum of legs,... i don't care about the AMOUNT of people with an abnormality the number means nothing, it is still an abnormality, there are no inbetween sexes. If they are unable to reproduce using a sperm or ova that their body produces (when they are a mature adult) they are an abnormality. I also don't care about what ever appeal to authority fallacy you like to put in there, my wife has a 1st class honors degree in human biology and she says there are only 2 sexes and there is NO spectrum (see, appeal to authority MEANS NOTHING).
@Canonymous Shadow lol, how about you challenge the rest of my comment instead of a quip i placed in there (to trigger libcucks) AFTER the facts i wrote down. i expect no reply
theres only one gender and its mine. if you have a gender i absorb it
pls take my gender away
This person is the only correct one here.
oh thank god, i've been trying to get rid of mine for ages
Mom says it's my turn on the gender
Oh *that's* where my gender went. You can keep it, I don't need it.
Regarding the modification of infants with DSDs.... My mother was the medical assistant for a urologist for 15 years, in California's Central Valley during the 90s and early 00s. DSDs were not uncommon among farm workers, thanks to tremendous pressure for pregnant women to continue working despite the risks that agricultural chemicals posed to developing fetuses. Typically, an infant with ambiguous genitalia would be assigned female and "reconstructed" to conform to that assignment, for the simple reason that that it was easier to create something that looked like a vagina than it was to create something that looked like a penis. This caused tremendous trauma and dysphoria in many of the people who had been subjected to this, and my mom's doctor made it his specialty to reverse these surgeries in people who wanted it reversed. (He flat out refused to do such "reconstruction" on infants or children.) He has since retired from practice, but I understand that more and more doctors are likewise refusing to do them.
Glad to see that even for the time, they not only kept to a moral ground, but went above & beyond to help on this issue. That doctor had a backbone, which is sadly very rare for humans despite being vertebrates.
That's what so - called "gender reassignment" surgery is. Horrible exploitation.
I'm pretty sure it's stories like these that fuel that part of the media that is fearmongering that parents and doctors are allowing or forcing children to have sex changes. The lack of education in this area is creating a violent atmosphere for those in the transgender community, and that portion of the media that defends them seldom bothers to educate, instead choosing to simply refute that anything of the sort is happening. While it is true that nothing like this is happening for the reasons stated, I think it would be better to point out where these misconceptions come from. It is certainly frustrating watching this play out in the media, knowing full well the whole argument could be shut down with nothing more than the simple (well... complicated, really) truth. It's as though both sides aren't really standing for anything at all, save the perpetuation of what I know to be a non-story, at the peril of the transgender community, doctors, and parents with such affected children.
Every doctor should refuse that, it's flat out child abuse.
_"It's easier to make a hole than a pole"._
A expression used by a very bitter intersex man who had been turned genitally female at birth and then as an adult had himself turned back to a male identity… in a documentary about intersex in the 90's [I think it was a episode of Sex TV ].
My transgender son (formerly daughter) grew up looking like David Bowie. This beautiful androgynous elf. When he started talking about body dysmorphia at age 12, we kinda expected it. Now hes a wonderfully adjusted and happy adult.
The moral here is listen to your kid. If it turns out to be some fashion statement or faddish manuever, then who did it hurt? If it turns out to be real, then you were supportive the whole time, and they remember that. I love my son. In the long run it doesnt matter. The soul of my child is intact, and his heart is pure.
If it was a fashion or faddish maneuver, who did it hurt? Your own kid, you absolute ignorant imbecile idiot. What kind of stupidity is this? Because of idiots like you is that matters like these are taken so lightly. If it's something real then it should be taken as such and let it be explored more deeply, but if it's only a fad and you go ahead with the procedure as if nothing, then there is an enormous chance that kid will develop gigantic psychological or even psychiatric problems later on. It's not me saying this, it's scientific and sociological literature reporting tragic outcomes that have emerged exactly because of idiots such as you being negligent. Inform yourself better and lose some of that ignorance. Pathetic idiot......
My step sister had a phase where she wanted to be called he. It came out of nowhere. Unlike your child, she always acted like a girl and dressed like a girl. Sue was not androgynous in any way. She was however an outcast, very large always… very tall and very overweight and as far as I know never dated. The other kids would bully her relentlessly.
One day at age 18 she decided that she was a boy. She cut her hair and asked to be called by a different masculine name. My mom thought that her behavior was something to be corrected. She didn’t buy into her being trans because there were absolutely no signs before 18. She figured that she was just unhappy and wanted to try to fit in another way.
Her mom however fully embraced the change and celebrated her new son. Within less than a year she was back to wearing dresses and wearing her hair long. She lost weight and started dating a guy. They now live together and I think she is happy.
Moral of the story is kids are going to be who they are. They may be trans or they may be going through a personal crisis of being bullied. Often the two go hand and hand. Either way it’s best to support them because whatever they are in the end is out of your hands anyway.
It's weird that your comment doesn't have more likes because the most important point you made is:
"The soul of my child is in tact, and his heart is pure."❤
@@osilva2367 Thank you.
If only more fathers and mothers could be so emotionally developed and so stable with their own identities that all in the spectrum would have the incredible and certainly rare response of complete support and unconditional love. Exemplifying isn’t done much anymore. You make life better. Thanks for that.
**looks at title**
**looks at ratings**
As expected...
OMG, DAE IDENTIFY AS A APACHE DHDHRLLDRFFF.
> Facebook and Reddit every time anything like this is brought up. Social conservatives getting angry about biology
I don't get it, though. Why are there so many downvotes?
@@anactualbucket1082 Because stating that sex is a spectrum rather than a binary is a blatantly false conclusion. The information is otherwise pretty good.
@@PiggySquisherCaleb that's a clearly wrong assertion, did you watch the video?
@@PiggySquisherCaleb State your sources.
So to sum this up. Genetics are complicated and simple solutions aren't really a way to go
the "simple solution" fits 98% of all cases, whereas some random defects can arise in 2% of cases and in that 2% a good amount are partially or fully infertile, I wouldn't call them "new sexes" but more a defect of the current sexes.
@Axodus Not even 2% the amount of people with Intersex conditions is actually more like 0.018% So it's about as rare as dwarfism, and personally I've never seen a dwarf in person.
@@Axodus so youre agreeing that genetic sex is a bimodal distribution rather than a binary?
@@Axodus and that's irrelevant, even if 98% fits I to one of two groups, that's not a binary, as soon as you admit there are options beyond the second one, it's no longer a binary.
@@oBCHANo source? All the information I've seen places it much higher. The video cites a source, are you saying that it's wrong?
Hat's off to my junior high biology teacher who taught us what little they knew about this back in the 70's. Thanks, Mr. B.
What a legend. Thank you Mr. B 👏👏🙏
Gender may be a spectrum but it’s all between the two main genders.
That's pretty impressive that they even knew anything ok the topic to begin with. I didn't learn anything about this stuff until my college classes.
@@Qwerty2000-v9l Your point being...?
@@Qwerty2000-v9l Colour might be a spectrum but it's all between the two main colours - ultraviolet and infrared. What's your point? There still aren't just two colours or two genders.
If ben shapiro saw this his head would explode
Its nonsense there are only 2 sexes
Everyone's head will explode if they have at least a basic understanding of biology and logic, and then hear pseudoscientific claims pushed by transgender ideologues.
His feelings don't care about these facts.
I just pictured his Yamulka shooting straight up like a Looney Tunes bit.
Everyone send it to him please!
i just wanna say, i love how scishow doesnt shy away from topics that get some knackers in a knot on some folks
@@GintaSuiseiseki Did you just have a stroke?
So there are either male presentations or female presentations. And there is 2% of the population that could have a portion of their presentation be of the opposite sex as the rest of them. Yea that is non binary that is binary with partial presentation. Thats not how spectrums work.
Marko Ahonen
If your knackers are ever in a knot, I recommend heading to hospital asap
@@des1redlearnz185
there is? a bridge between male-nonbinary-female would be men born with mammary glands and females born without, or having atypical body shape (mainly hip widening/staying the same during puberty) that is the "norm" for the opposite sex.
the only thing happening here is you ignoring evidence already there.
@@shlorbin473 "there are more than 2 human sexes" that is the name of the video. We have male presented and female presented. What is the third type. That would make it more than 2 presenting with the opposite of one does not make a different type this video claims there are 3 or more types what is the third type please.
I'm here to read the comments...
Aaron P hello
You really have to dig and get lucky. They censord most of the voices calling out Sci Show for going against science. We had this coming, we put sci next to fi for so long that fiction took over.
Politics dont belong in science, this video is a disgrace.
@@warrenphilips8441 So I'm a biology student studying developmental biology and this is very much representing where the scientific community is now. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it less "Science".
To quote something I've seen used a lot (ironically used mostly as an argument for binary thinking) "Science is science, it doesn't care what you believe or think"
@@judith769 that simply isn't true though, i mean maybe in an ideal perfect world but humans run studies and humans decide what studies to run, which is informed by preference which is at least in a small part influenced by political opinion as well as other factors. and when you know for a fact that your work is going to influence politics, you cant say your completely A political. though for reference i did like the video i'm just a physics student checking the state of the scientific method right now
See's title
Oh the comments are gonna be this format
Joey Laxson meta
wrg
See is title?
@@PlayMoGame 🤣🤣🤣 I'm about to die laughing
An actual developmental biologist completely debunked the learning utility of this "educational" video:
mobile.twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1195045259463602179?s=21
0:14 we just got into the reproduction unit in science and my teacher was talking about chromosomes. He took like 2 minutes explaining like males usually have XY and females usually have XX, then this guy just very smoothly transitions into talking about intersex people, he spent like ten minutes on that. He is my third favourite teacher right now (behind my band teacher and my French teacher)
Ask him about anisogamy
@@magnomanx When biological sex isn't on your side, you must keep finding something that confirms your narrow view of the world.
Anisogamy is about gamates. No one is debating gamates. If you look at the research on anisogamy, it's supports polygamy for people with smaller gamates.
So if you're in support of the typical American dream of one man, one women, 2 children--then supporting anisogamy is actually against your best interests.
@@thathanka how does anisogamy go against the typical nuclear family? Make that make sense
@magnomanx It seems you haven't read much into the theory. Anisogamy suggests that because of the difference in gamates that males should be permiscuous because they contribute less to the process of rearing and also have mircogamtes and not macrogamates. The theory says that because females have macrogamates and have more time sink in the process of reproduction means that they would be less inclined to such.
@@thathanka it seems you haven't realized that the science of biology never makes should or ought claims. It describes what is or is not. Anisogamy suggests that males produce motile gametes and that means they can reproduce with many females. It never says they should. Moral claims are not within the purview of biology.
My best friend (who killed himself during covid) had xxy chromosomes. He also had ASD and OCD, which I ponder if was related.
When he went out in public, despite presenting and identifying as a male hippy, he'd get an uncomfortable amount of attention from men. Hope you're at peace and feel fully accepted wherever you are dude.
I'm sorry for your loss
Deepest condolences
Heya! Another Autistic person here idk about OCD but from what I understand about autism that wouldn't be likely unless chimerism specifically changed how fast their brain developed and how quickly that development plateaued
It is sad when someone you love finds the world such a cold place.
So sorry for your loss. It must be very difficult, I hope you’re okay.
The takeaway: if you think anything about biology is straightforward, you're missing something.
If you think that's bad wait till you get to quantum physics.
Symmetry
@L if your vertebrae need to eat then I have some bad news. You have been colonized by a sci-fi manga alien parasite. Vertebrates though generally do need to eat to survive. I say generally because deep sea angler fish males exist and engage in sexual parasitism wherein they fuse their bodies to that of a female and essentially become a sperm producing parasite. They are absorbing nutrients (plants also do that) but not actually "eating" per se.
In biology the words "generally", "usually", and "typically" do a lot of heavy lifting because as was pointed out the one thing that you can count on in biology is that once you "know" a pattern you will find some weird sheet that counters that pattern. Mother Nature just loves to look you dead in the eye and say "hey you wanna see the craziest dam thing you've ever seen in the whole of your species pathetic existence? Like real FXCKING weird?" Ma Nature is absolutely 🦇 💩.
@L well that's more of a dumbed down version of what biology says
@@peacefulinvasion684 you can spend your entire life learning human biology without ever getting to the quantum level.
Oh dear, like to dislike ratio is off to a great start lol
Most right-wingers see a title they dislike and dislike it without having watched the video. That's how that works.
@@Cancellator5000
Right wingers? I'm left leaning and I disliked the video.
@@killtyrant Why?
@@killtyrant no you're not lol
KillTyrant I hate this video too. Sex is not a spectrum lmao
"Did I learn nothing but lies in High school?" yes, because science is so complicated and constantly changing that it has to be dumbed down so much that it basically becomes a misrepresentation of the facts before you can teach it to the average teenager.
tinyjazzhands: I dropped out of both a BSc program, and Nursing School as well, and my concepts about sexual development were improved by this video. Scientific understanding of “sex” has changed since the 70’s and 80’s!
Okay but mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
I agree, except for a small detail.
I'd say not "before you can teach it to the average teenager". It's more "before you can reduce it to a simple enough message that it will both be agreed upon by those setting educational standards (often with their own cultural or religious biases) and be able to fit into the standardized curriculum being shoved into kid's heads on a strict schedule".
Kids and teens are totally capable of understanding way more than we give them credit for. It's just that we force them into education that doesn't work with how their brain learns.
For instance Jupiter only had 16 moons when I was in highschool.
I don't know about your high schools but my high school taught me this.
Me: Oh boy I can't wait to read the controversial comments!
The Comments: Oh boy I can't wait to see the controversial comments!
It's the second time I've read seen this comment...
Wow what an original comment. You're so funny and special Caleb!
@@nawtilismaelis2043
Thanx I try!
LMAO YESSSSS!!! xD
@@gregordaine7944 when have humans ever practiced selective breeding outside of isolated communities? If anything we're purpose built to intermingle as much as possible.
*Checks comments*
"Oh, these aren't actually so bad"
*Sorts comments by newest first*
" *Oh* *dear* "
Wait you can sort comments on yt?
@@BluMacaw yes the option is right next to the ammount of comments under the video
Forgot about that. Thanks. The little EQ thing to the right of number of comments. Playback speed is good for long reddits if your impatient. And "oh dear" indeed! 😬 😂
cooltop101 tried that and omfg everyone’s going apeshit 😂
THIS
Basic biology mfs when advanced biology walks into the room:
Advanced biology mfs when asked what are the other sexes called:
@magnomanx femdom, femrec, mascrec, and mascdom
somewhere in there is True hermaphrodite, and asexed.
@@magnomanxhard to name each individual manifestation when you're still sorting them all out. There's probably going to end up being some long medical list of potential variations so you can be medically listed as something like 'male - standard' or 'male - 1.b.t35 standard' or something based on the number and type of variations you have. The real in between cases would be described by their mosaic or chimeric or hermaphroditic status and the various ways those can manifest. But until then, it's basically male, female, complicated.
@@magnomanxName every number. Can't? Well that means arithmetic doesn't exist
@@wyattk300 bad analogy. I can name any number you want me to. If you specifically ask me for an imaginary or irrational number I can name one and tell you why they are classified as such. I'd like to see you do the same for the "other sexes".
When I took a course on genetics the first thing they hammered into our heads is that NOTHING ABOUT DNA IS AS SIMPLE AS YOU THINK IT IS.
Sex and gender were one of the examples given, but there's just so much more variation and complexity in the world than people imagine.
Does it not take a male and female to reproduce sexually, which is how humans re-produce
No one is debating that genetics/DNA isn't overly complicated, the problem comes when people try to classify the usefulness of these complications. How common a variation is, also affects how someone will think about it too. Remember these "defects" are less the 2% In most cases, so why should the exception to the rule, break the rule (Not to say that we shouldn't accommodate or help these people because their body gave them attributes that are often less than desirable)? My general stance is, be kind to them, even if they are not normal.
@@MrFizzy-ur9eh Yeah why should our model being wrong stop us from using it?
There ARE only two sexes, even if there are actually more!
Hakkapeele that depends, would you consider how many fingers you are born with as being on a spectrum, because by your same logic that is also true, I am not denying these “sexes” exist even if they can be completely non-functional. But it matters that we should look at the bigger picture, exceptions to the rule doesn’t break the rule, because these exceptions are not functional as a fully fledged sex.
@@MrFizzy-ur9eh I would consider it true that some people do not have 5 fingers, yes.
I would consider it false that all people have 5 fingers. As some do not.
It certainly seems, to me, that if some people are born with more or less than 5 fingers, there is a spectrum which extends beyond 5 in both directions, with a heavy cluster, the overwhelming majority, falling at exactly 5. But certainly, those with more or less are still real, and for all I know, those could be perfectly functional, not necessarily "defective" in any other way than being different from the norm.
SciShow: lists multiple sources in describtion
Commenters: wHeRe ArE tHe SoUrCeS?!?!?!?!?
This so much lol
I've had several people just stop commenting at me when I posted by out the list of sources.
I have to assume this made it to some dark corner of Reddit where people aren't aware the scishow lists it's sources.
not only that but THIRTY ONE sources!!!
Sources still don't say that these abnormalities prove human beings having more than two sexes.
Plus a biologist rips into this video specifically-
mobile.twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1195045259463602179?s=21
@@drooleybob I'm a biologist with a PhD in molecular biology. The video presented by Si Show is accurate.
@@drooleybob
"Biologist rips into the video"
Twitter Biologist: "what semantics is male/female semantics and what semantics is sex semantics"
At a kennel I worked at, there was a dog with DSD. The dog appeared male, but when the owners tried to neuter the dog, the vet realized the second testicle was inside. So the vet opened the dog’s abdomen and found the second testicle - as well as ovaries. The owners had already named the dog “Caleb” so they just went on with that and called the dog “him”, but since dogs don’t have a concept of gender for Caleb to identify with, there wasn’t really anything to say definitively whether he would be considered a male dog or a female dog. So me and the other kennel workers liked to call him our “non-binary doggo” lol
thank you for that story
how long ago was this? is there a chance caleb's kickin?
@@nicreven This was a couple years ago and he was maybe 4 or 5 at that point. Medium-small dog, so probably
@@skylark7921 very good
I'm imagining a swarm of bees taking the shape of a dog, and it's still a good doggo.
@@nicreven Haha, I realize this was probably not your intention, but I read your "very good" in a very sinister tone in my head at first, and was like "oh no, what are they planning to do with that dog!?"
Thanks!
Legit question.
When does something cross the line between variation and a defect? Without modern medicine what would happen to someone that has a blocked urethra as a result of a DSD? Wouldn't they be dead without surgery? Which means a DSD that resulted in a blocked urethra 1000 years ago was a death sentence, not apart of the sexual spectrum.
I'm not an expert, but I mean... they still would have been a person before they died. So, I'd say you should still include that as part of the spectrum.
Literally whatever we decide. Science is what humans use to understand the world. The categories are made up, the terminology isn’t real, it’s all just whatever works for us to create a better understanding of the world.
Like Lco said, still a part of the sexual spectrum. These people are real, and nowadays we can save them! Isn’t science wonderful?
@@icoele I wasn't necessarily saying exclude them from the spectrum but if your specific condition on the spectrum causes issues with fertility or even survival, then it's kind of like cancer or some genetic disease. Those would be defects, versus having blue eyes or green eyes which really doesn't matter because it's jut variation. Does that make sense?
It's about how we should be perceiving DSD's which will influence medical, social an policy issues. Is just variation or is it a defect? This video would, to me, indicate it's just variation.
depends, if it affects you in a negative or positive way
You make the world a bit better by talking about this. Thanks!
lmaooooo i've never seen such a perfectly symmetrical like/dislike ratio
For now, I think the dislikes will prevail
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Is this the place where I put "Thanos has joined the replies"?
@introvert sorry i ruined it for you but it was just too funny
@Kay you lost me, who are the trolls and who are the bots?
I learned most of this in grade 11 biology. It's been so frustrating refuting all the arguments from ignorance.
Thank you for this, Hank!
You rock, bud!
@@50PercentBS They made the video controversial by trying to use a fact to create a false conclusion.
There are only two sexes. There is a spectrum of DSDs. The video title is inflammatory because it's trying to conflate the two when it's sources do not agree with it.
This video has a lot of issues. It doesn’t even define sex, let alone provide more than two sexes. It just provides some examples of sex development disorders, which doesn’t make sex a spectrum.
@Anahusband2727 what makes me wrong? What are the other sexes provided in the video? Hank literally conceded on sex being binary as valid and that by “sex is a spectrum” he actually meant something completely different on twitter
“Nuh uh” is not a valid argument. Substantiate your claims.
@Anahusband2727 imagine being so dumb you think two is a spectrum. Imagine not knowing what sex is and thinking that biologists have a quantitative “sex scale” with some “sex units” that they measure all anisogamous organisms on and it just so happens that the only resulting sexes they measure is male and female.
@Anahusband2727 given the fact that you don’t even know what a bimodal distribution is, let alone sex, I’d say that you’d do well to consider that this is not a topic you understand well.
I really think you should consider why you thought “It’s irreducibly complex”, something creationists use as an argument, was a proper argument over *actually learning what sex is and demonstrating your claims*
Hmmm, the like to dislike ratio is strangely different on a sci show video
You mean Sci-Fi Show video?
@@Renoht290 amen
@@mads855 spoken like someone operating off of some religious dogma and not fact based reasoning lol
@@Renoht290 I mean it makes sense to me, but why do you think otherwise?
And it's not like everyone is special, there is a binary malefemale but there are also irregularities in the chromosomal development of sex, as said in the video.
@@Renoht290 No, they meant sci show
Seeing as this is, you know, science
They finally talked about Turner’s. I have that. I am phenotypically female and biologically as well by default, since I don’t have the SRY gene. Since I don’t have the double dose of some of the female reproductive genes, those parts are underdeveloped or missing. I do have a vagina and uterus, but they couldn’t find my ovaries. And, even if I did have them they will most likely be hard and fibrous with little to no eggs. So, to keep up my female parts, I take a hormone patch and I had to take growth hormone shots. There is a gene on the X that needs two copies, so people with Turners are short. The good thing is it doesn’t affect my general intelligence, and actually helps it in some ways. Girls with Turner’s normally have a similar cognitive profile to those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder. This means there is a noticeable split between verbal and nonverbal IQ. So, I have a wide vocabulary, retain information well, and can read on a high level, but I have trouble with visiospatial things, understanding body language and sarcasm, and with directions. It does sadden me that it will be pretty much impossible for me to have biological kids without divine intervention, but there are plenty of kids who need moms and dads that are in foster care now. Though Turners can be tough to have at times, I trust this is how God wanted it and is part of my divinely ordained purpose and plan.
This is so interesting but if you mind can I ask how has this if at all changed your perspective on the ideas of sex n gender? Like does this at all change how to identify, relate or not feel part of the lgbtq+ community like how the intersection community is divided, n from what I'm getting u are religious so have you ever had problems with ppl invadating you being a women(if you identity as that) or made u struggle with gender dysphoria?
Laney L - this is a valuable and thoughtful contribution to this discussion - so thank you very much. You are obviously very well-informed on this topic and you write very well indeed - in a style that demonstrates a solid disciplined education, intelligence and insight. Previous to this, my only knowledge of Turner Syndrome was from a brief introduction at medical school. It's a great pleasure to correspond with you and I wish you all the best from Australia!
This is the type of person who will be effected by those bigoted, uneducated, fear-mongering, hypocritical, know-nothings who are making bomb threats to children's hospitals!
at least you have that backup x, if something goes wrong with Y we are *screwed* (even though nearly all of it is deactivated)
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I have Turner Syndrome, which means a piece of one of my X chromosomes is broken off so I'm very interested in this video.
Thank you for amending the learning disabilities claim; I might be socially disordered lol, but I got good enough grades and I have a college degree and will have a post grad certification in 2 weeks
Hey, I wish you good luck :)
@Josh the Art Critic isn't it obvious because it's a single X and with X you are female?
@Josh the Art Critic So female
Nice
ZPG ZPG go take an embryology class and educate yourself.
My first Bio prof in uni told us of a fellow soldier (decades ago) who was the father of 6 girls. When dna testing was developed, he learned that though physically fully functionally male, genetically he was actually female, double x.
Your professor must be mistake because males with de la chapelle syndrome are sterile.
No. Thts not how tht works. He is still a male because one of the X chromosomes had a SRY gene and androgen receptors, making the X essentially a Y chromosome
@@zerog1037you weren’t listening very well. He was intersex. The SRY gene alone is not indicative of one’s sex, it is just one of a number of factors which determine sexual development. The actions of the SRY gene can also be stymied at various points by the absence or presence or actions of various proteins.
5 days from now: Comments disabled
5 days I'm predicting 5 hours
Why wait.
Shane Rooney
Because of toxic xenofobes
... and this is what you get when you abandon SELECTIVE breeding and force MASS PRODUCTION on children. Allow degenerate breeding, get degenerate children = child abuse. of course this show never mentioned child abuse.
@Dhanushka Jayasinghe i watched it im leaving my dislike
There's one gender: it's Nerf or nothing 😤
Imagine making a joke about gender on a video that doesn´t focus on gender
This comment was made by people who actually watched the video gang
Tomas ArVu u mad?
@@qeiwpwldkdofshishdijxosix9518 nope, I was just pointing out that this joke can result misleading for anyone who jumped straight into the comments without actually watching what the video is about.
@@BigSplenda1885 So they're just sick of science. Gotcha.
@@ttomasarias3719 imagine being triggered.
Nature doesn't care about our comfort or about conforming to our relatively narrow human categories. Reality (of which human biology is a part) is mind-bogglingly complex. No surprises there! And I think it's safe to say that essentially none of the 19K (at the time of me viewing this) people who disliked this video even watched it. But props to SciShow for tackling this complex and (unbelievably) controversial subject!!!
@@bluebotlivingston6016 "Actual developmental biologist opinion of this "educational" video:"
Or a TERF arguing about semantics. Soooo informative.
@@olajuwon021
You're right, linking a Twitter account was dumb. Of course she's very biased. I didn't realize that in the moment.
So why don't we try to understand what's bothering people on both sides?
I'm sorry, it's gonna be a long read but I'm confident that it will give you new insights to consider if you'll try to read with a genuine interest.
Here's my current understanding of the issue...
There's nothing "wrong" with the title!
Both the "Left" and the "Right" scientific perspective can be technically correct, but they systematically kick each other in the nuts because of semantics...
You can totally classify every single potential abnormal sex mutation as a new sex manifestation, but extremely genotypical inconsistent sex mutations are (by definition) not classifiable as a new evolutionary reproductive significant sex.
Humans overwhelmingly consistently produce males and females with complementary and evolutionary significant reproductive value, and overwhelmingly inconsistently produce abnormal sex development disorders with insignificant evolutionary reproductive value.
Every single genetic abnormality can technically be classified as a new manifestation. But only two sexes (Reproductive Roles) are classifiable as consistently evolutionary significant based on natural selection's reproductive value:
Male and Female (the ONLY two Evolutionary Reproductive Roles).
In humans the Reproductive Roles are Male sperm production and Female egg production/gestation.
Thus, human sex evolutionary significance can only manifest itself with an overwhelmingly consistent Binary System expressing those two Reproductive Roles.
The important question here is not if there's only male and female, but WHY male and female are the predominant overwhelmingly consistent manifestation of sex.
And the evolutionary answer is:
Spectrums of inconsistent abnormal mutations are exactly what evolutionary natural selection can't rely on to carry a genotypical successful species for hundreds of thousands of years, and that's exactly why abnormal genetic mutations are so uncommon in nature and are usually treated as Development Disorders, Conditions and Syndromes.
Here's the conflict in this comment section:
Group A is arguing that there are more than two human sex manifestations (technically true as long you don't get specific enough about what's evolutionary significant).
Group B is (actually) arguing that there are only two evolutionary reproductive significant human sex manifestations (technically true as long as you get specific enough about what's evolutionary significant).
The funny thing is that they're BOTH right, but they don't really know why.
If they knew, they wouldn't argue.
People don't understand each other simply because they use the same exact concept to mean different things (semantics).
As far as humans are concerned....
There are (way) MORE than two possible expressions of sex characteristics (every possible mutation), there are ONLY two Reproductive Roles (Male sperm production and Female egg production/gestation).
There's a SPECTRUM of possible expressions of sex characteristics, there's an overwhelmingly consistent Evolutionary Binary System of Reproductive Role based sex manifestation (Male and Female).
In a nutshell:
Biological sex is a Spectrum of sex characteristics expressed through an Evolutionary Binary System of Reproductive Roles.
Why this definition?
1) Spectrum and Binary System are happening simultaneously and one is manifested through the other.
2) The core elements of the Binary System are not necessarily males and females but their feminine and masculine Reproductive Roles (Male Sperm and Female Egg).
3) Male and Female are names we give to a specific configuration of masculine and feminine sex characteristics but the real Binary thing to emphasize is the reproductive roles of sperm and egg.
4) Of course in the vast majority of cases Male and Female are synonymous with sex, and they should be treated as binary in relation to their reproductive functions. But non always sex is defined that way, some define sex simply as a configurations of sex characteristics. And that definition also includes intersex people.
5) And, while I don't necessarily agree with a definition of sex that doesn't take in account Reproductive Roles, I wanted my title to be comprehensive of any definition of sex while emphasizing the context of a Evolutionary Binary System based on feminine and masculine Reproductive Roles that produces an overwhelming predominant output of Males and Females along with rare anomalies that my title still takes in account.
Now let's see what can we do about names...
Reproduction Roles = Masculine & Feminine (Sperm & Eggs, X & Y)
Since only masculine and feminine characteristics exist, even if every possible configuration of sex characteristics gets a new name, every new configuration will inevitably be either biologically masculine or feminine in accordance with a specific set of chromosomes.
It's a practical impossibility to have a perfectly balanced configuration of masculine and feminine sex characteristics in an individual and roughly 99% of people will always be clearly either masculine or feminine, presenting chromosomal consistency with their phenotype (primary sex characteristics) sex.
Even the majority of DSD (Disorders of Sex Development) individuals present chromosomal consistency with primary sex characteristics and are still considered clearly masculine or feminine, although they may present some degree of intersex traits.
An individual can be defined truly intersex only when chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in when the phenotype (observable sex characteristics) is not classifiable as either masculine or feminine.
Those are less than 1% of people.
But now what?
We still need to figure out the names right?
Kinda, but that's more of a matter of culture and linguistic convenience than biology...
We have 3 main categories in the Spectrum:
Masculine individuals
Feminine individuals
Intersex individuals
Biology tell us that there are only two Reproductive Roles in humans (masculine and feminine). But that doesn't mean that there aren't multiple atypical configurations of sex characteristics in individuals, of course many of those aren't classifiable as evolutionary significant for reproduction purposes (like males & females are). But some people may want to name them (if there isn't already an agreed upon scientific mainstream name available) anyway to feel more comfortable with their peculiar biological make up, and that's pretty much where biology ends and verbal agreements between people begin with all the gender talk.
But that's a can of worms I ain't gonna open here.
Peace
@@bluebotlivingston6016 Nope, you betray your vested moral interests when you use the word, "abnormal." Then you insist on "disorders" without recognizing that the medical vocabulary you adopt is value-laden. You add nothing to the discussion other than a dressed-up sermon.
@@joelpowell4792 Good thinking. Everything is normal and all medical treatment is elective. Make them pay for their own surgeries and therapy. Broken leg? Walk it off and stop being an ableist!
@Canonymous Shadow Stawman counter. "There are more than two sexes" is _literally_ the title of the video.
As a human being major. I have learned that the more we learn, the more we learn we dont know.
Nature: Refusing to fit into neat little boxes since... forever, really.
I don't know, sperm cells and egg cells are pretty neat separate little boxes
Nature: We fit into neat little boxes 98% of the time..
@@Axodus man, you are obsessed and wrong, hilariously wrong on its face. Read your own comments "if 98% of people fit in a binary" 2% dont and sex isnt a binary, you played yourself.
@@Axodus You are "normal", everything in the universe is black and white, and everything you believe is true. Any exceptions can be simply dismissed as an abnormality and absolutely nothing learned from them.
There, do you feel better now? I hear it's even easier to believe if you don't obsessively troll-comment on the internet.
That's life
My mother was extremely masculine. From having a very deep voice, to a full beard, was 6 feet tall and much bigger boned that most women. When I was 28 she told my sister and I that she was never supposed to have children and that we were the miracle that made her a woman. (We are twins) She had surgery at 24 years old because she tried to kill herself over her “differences”. She said her hormones tested her as male, she had most female sex organs but very male traits otherwise and a very long clitoris. There wasn’t enough known then so this answers a lot for me now. She also had learning disabilities and epilepsy. The only thing is she was also hit by a car when she was 5. This is the first time I’ve heard of some forms of intersex causing learning disabilities. I always felt it was more than just her accident. She also thought about sex and relationships more like a man. I was embarrassed as a kid because other kids would ask me if that was my mom or my dad. Im grateful she told me the truth and I feel lucky to have had a mother that was intersex.
Kudos to you and your mom!
So she was a female with some type of hormonal disorder.
@@sissyphussartre2907 Likely a chromosomal one, considering the symptoms and such.
@@sissyphussartre2907 she was intersex.
Cope
"Are you a boy or a girl?"
I don't know I just got here
I'll know in 24 hours when I can get my starter Pokemon from Prof. Oak.
@needsnaming Darn, you beat me to it!
"Are you a boy or a girl?"
"Sir, this is a Wendy's."
Well, try going with the closest option.
Well, I tried.
I love your comment
There’s 9 genders:
Red pikmin
Yellow pikmin
Blue pikmin
Purple pikmin
White pikmin
Rock pikmin
Winged pikmin
Ice pikmin
And Glow pikmin
It's pigment. That's crazy.
you forgot bulbmin from pickmin 2
Puffmin be crying in the corner right now
Meep merp!
Glow Pikmins arise!!!
Posted for 30 seconds and the like to dislike ratio is already wilding
30 seconds is all it takes to evaluate a 14 minute video I guess
Lotsa bigots got here early, looks like.
it would be very interesting to see how many people voted without watching the video
Honestly I dont understand why people are disliking this so much. This is actual useful knowledge, and learning more about this kind of thing could be beneficial in the long run, to help spread awareness of this sort of thing.
14 min and 114 likes wow
oh boy, here we go
@Dhanushka Jayasinghe Yeah, i did. i'm just saying that this video is gonna be controversial.
People spamming dislikes with no reason, really.
This video is about ANOMALIES in normal sex developement that cause a person to fall in a spectrum between male and female due to not having a regular sex differentiation, nothing unheard of, completely scientific.
...i was scared they would have went the woke route too initially, but they haven't.
Davide Tramontana it’s basically just people thinking they are something they aren’t. It’s all “I feel” or “I believe”.
@@DT-yw4ob it's literally pushing an agenda. I'm tired of their idiotic agenda.
so tired of it
@@Starius2 pushing for acceptable treatment of people actually born with deformed,surplus or otherwise atipical genitals isn't nearly comparable to the shitshow of gender dysphoria and trans people the left is forcing down our throats.
You could argue that it's the polar opposite as the treatment, prior to recent years ,was to force a newborn into artificial gender dysphoria by either omitting important info about their body or surgically removing unwanted bits.
And, if we assume that "trans" means to transition from your birth sex:
THEY WERE MAKING BABY TRANS PEOPLE.
This looks like the perfect Thanksgiving topic.
Well, considering my presence as an intersex person makes all Thanksgiving celebrations awkward, maybe it is.
LOL
Lmao 😂
Let us know how it goes when you bring it up :P
I have an extra chromosome, so I'm finally going to bring up the topic of me being interspecies.
Thank you for talking about this and posting it on UA-cam.
Biology!
Not neatly fitting into categories since 4 Billion BCE.
That's "BC," no need for the "E"
"Before Current ..."(?)
@@MrAhamrick6 @Brian_Jones Before Common Era, the modern term most historians use.
@@Not_that_Brian_Jones No, the original is Before Christ and BCE uses this as it's reference point.
@@jordanreeseyre It all revolves around Christ.
I’m a cytogenetic technologist, and even though this is a difficult subject to understand, this is a very straightforward explanation. It is even more complicated than this. Lol
There are people and they are males and females and there are segments of both which present with various birth defects, psych disorders, and some with both-- none of which are evidence of other genders invalidating the binary-- seems fairly straight forward and not complicated at all
So straight forward and yet some still don't realize that the word spectrum isn't a number
Thank you
@@devilsadvocate9105 Too many are inappropriately conflating a spectrum of developmental sexual disorders, birth defects, personality traits, temperament and psych disorders-- as evidence invalidating the binary and it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny
@@zachman5150 that's a lot of ways to say you don't understand what your talking about and hate your world view being challenged. It's not like actual scientists and phychologists are involved in these studies or anything
I think I remember an episode of “House MD” where the big twist was that the patient turned out to have complete androgen insensitivity and so appeared female but had underdeveloped testes hanging around inside of them, and that this was somehow related to whatever mysterious ailment they were suffering from.
samiamrg7, I think it was testicular cancer.
I remember he went to the parent (parents?) and said "Your *son* has testicular cancer".
This one, where son as girl sexualy used his father?
Yea I remember that one! That was the one where she was a teenage model, I think.
Which was stupid and impossible because the complete lack of breasts or any sign of female puberty and the short stature would have given it away long ago. Complete androgen insensitivity is the same as turner’s syndrome in effect. It’s also something a trained eye can see, and you’re not going to be a model with the condition because it makes you look odd (and be short).
They tried to play partial androgen insensitivity got points (height), but it would have been discovered long before, too.
this is so important in today's debate over gender identity
Gender identity is so irrelevant in biological discussions
@@magnomanxActually that's not true, there's studios that show that trans people tend to have a brain structure more similar to the opposite sex than their own birth sex
@@magnomanx If gender identity is always completely independent of biological sex, then yes, it is always irrelevant. But if gender identity is influenced by or related to biological sex in any way, then it's not so irrelevant.
@@janetreynolds1311 I would say gender identity is heavy influenced by biological sex, but biological sex is never influenced by gender identity.
About 1-2% of people in the world are intersex.
So half of Russias entire population or about the same as the amount of people with red hair.
It's not like they're unicorns.
MrCrazyLeprechaun No, about 1-2% have dsds. That isn’t the same as being intersex.
@@garrusn7702 I won't start an argument on this but every number I'm seeing so far is putting intersex folks between 1 and 1.7%.
Unicorns don't exist though.... so what's your point?
@@akrulla
My point was that intersex folks aren't mythological creatures, what was *your* point?
Wait a second! I thought russians don't exist! Also germany with 1% clearly doesn't exist. Both have literally no influence on the world /s
Life Rule Seven: if it looks simple, you don't understand it.
Biological sex isn't simple. That doesn't make it a spectrum.
Agreed. Rare slight variations do not simply make a binary a spectrum.
@@pre-packaged_9692
By definition, if a variation that doesn't fit into the binary exists... it's not a binary...
Nah rule 7 is Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
@Cool Dude google gödel's incompleteness theorem
I seriously hope the mutilation of intersex babies stops, and that people will hear out what this video has to say... instead of getting their lil feelings hurt and running off to their safe space because they hate learning new things or caring about other people.
@Josh the Art Critic Sources:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex
www.hrw.org/report/2017/07/25...
www.scientificamerican.com/ar...
ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/SRY#cond...
www.who.int/genomics/gender/e...
www.wired.com/story/trumps-pl...
www.nature.com/news/sex-redef...
www.intersexequality.com/how-...
www.isna.org/faq/ten_myths/rare
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/p...
my.clevelandclinic.org/health...
www.sciencedirect.com/science...
www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/t...
blogs.scientificamerican.com/...
blogs.discovermagazine.com/cru...
massivesci.com/articles/sex-g...
childrensnational.org/visit/c...
www.nationwidechildrens.org/s...
www.bloodjournal.org/content/1...
www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/sc...
www.nadf.us/adrenal-diseases/...
www.nhs.uk/conditions/disorde...
aisdsd.org/resources/youth/you...
www.rchsd.org/programs-servic...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
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its literally in the description
Sven mutilation, that ridiculous that’s like saying your can’t remove extra fingers because the child can decide when they’re older.
@@recreationalnukes4251 these surgeries are damaging and irreversible, often impairing an intersex person's ability to conceive or even have sex later in life. and they're essentially pointless, done for aesthetics.
and if an extra digit works, isn't just a tumour on your hand, and doesn't impair your hand function in any way, then yes? you can totally leave it up to the child to make the decision as an adult?
Sven why leave a painful surgery until the patient has the ability to remember how painful it was, not to mention what are the odds they won’t want the surgery when they get older especially since they may need it in order to undergo puberty.
Canonymous Shadow it unlikely they’ll grow up to identify as the opposite sex they lean towards.
Also it will need to be done before puberty and thats when you actually know what gender you identify with so either way the child won’t be able to make an informed choice.
Also I’m just “mad genders a spectrum” first the exception doesn’t decide the rule and second you’re the headcase politicising common sense surgery.
Am I the only one who actually did hear about DSDs in high school? And here's the biggest shocker... I grew up in the southern US.
Nerd Analysis haha you and me both, and I was homeschooled in the southern US...
good health ed/pe teachers did that for us
I was taught about it, but only as an illness(?)
Like, effects in development, brain, etc
If was never said a person can have just not have these problems at all
Or even possibly live all their lives without even noticing
Mississippi person here. We learned it in school too, but most students weren’t there to learn and didn’t care to remember. Also... it’s the south... religion has a way of convincing people that scientists are lying evil devil worshipers, so... 😔
Actually, me too. But I had a teacher, a biology teacher, that taught the whole hard science as if it was a speculation
Isn't this knowledge pretty old though? When I was in high school, we had anatomy textbooks from 2000ish, and while it had almost no immunology that turned out being correct, the XXY and XYY and chimerism were in there.
new enough for all those dislike
@@oldcowbb The dislikes are for the title. I think if they worded it differently it would be better received.
Look at dislike ratio xd
It's literally older than the scientific method or our understanding of how reproduction works, but for some reason people get really offended when they hear something that their underpaid 10th grade science teacher didn't have time to teach them
This was stuff taught in my 7th grade health class, the only difference is now they're labeling gender as a spectrum instead of labeling the people as genetically defective. In other words, the science hasn't actually changed, the scientists are just having to be politically correct so they don't get sued every time they print a health/biology book
I learned this in school. When people start to mix science with politics or religion, thats when you get problems. The biology is complex but straightforward.
Um... Science is very much part of politics and vice versa. I have no idea what you're talking about on that front.
More like science gets politicized anyone it disputes, disproves, or disagrees with religion..... 🙄
@@TheUndeadslayer221 Religion is a part of government, doesnt mean its right...
@@notchbeard9007 I can think of multiple instances in which Religion is wrong... Too many.
@@TheUndeadslayer221 I once heard an anthropologist say that the whole idea of intelligent design disproves religion because we are not designed intelligently, there are so many flaws in our physiology. I thought that was interesting to think about.
Guys before you just say this is all nonsense just read the dozens of sources in the description please
None of those sources classify intersex conditions as new sexes
@@fastrockproductions9788 before you tell others to read them because you think they back up his claims you should read it.
I’d be very interested to know which one you think supports his claim. Hint: it’s none of them
So I take it you didn’t find what you assumed was in the links. Next time follow your own advice
Still nothing?
@@DerpMcDerp-gb3ssdon't waste your breath bruv
last part is so heartbreaking. of course surgery is sometimes necessary, but it is horrible that so many people feel the need to alter an infant's body to fit their standards of male and female. the choice to have an elective surgery should be left to the person undergoing it. im glad we're moving away from these procedures, but it definitely still happens.
I would just ask the doctor if the baby needed any surgery to prevent medical complications, like if stuff were tied in knots. But if that's the way God made their body, maybe it should be left alone.
My parents had me circumcised as an infant, I never had a choice.
@@Ping0309 yep, like that is literally infant genital mutilation that in 99%+ of cases is completely unnecessary.
Let me be clear, I am not disagreeing with you. But this way of thinking is a modern product. To the people 30+ years ago who had limited knowledge of this and were likely unaware that it was fairly common, surgery was the humane and logical thing to do. They didn’t consider the (at the time) unlikely possibility that this would cause dysphoria. Take polydactyls for example, an extra finger could be an issue. It may not be functional or could be difficult to treat in the future. So a lot of times extra fingers or limbs are removed. For them, it was the same line of thinking. If everyone* (as they would have thought) has “normal” genitals and they look a certain way, then a misformarion of them could cause issues. Or rather than being a sign of not fitting into one of 2 genders, it could have been seen as a simple defect at birth. So until we learned more, surgical correction was considered necessary and humane.
@@DewyRueskie-sl7nkThe issue is that it hasn't stopped. Like at all at least in the US. It's still the standard procedure and sometimes parents won't even be told it's being done, let alone the child when they're older. People thinking differently in the past isn't really an applicable line of discussion in response to people saying that something still actively going on should stop.
sometimes the people choosing that a surgery must be done are the ones saying that people shouldn't "mutilate their bodies". dude you would do the same thing to your child so they would fit your perfect little boxes. wild
When I was in middle school, I was friends with someone who was intersex. She identified as a girl, and she had a somewhat masculine voice. A lot of kids bullied her, and it pissed me off because she was such a sweet girl. If they took the time to get to know her, they'd see how cool she was. She explained to me what it was like to be intersex (she had both male and female parts) and I thought it was actually pretty interesting. I'd never heard of that before.
These are the people that truly suffer. Met a VA that was like that.
kids can be jerks. and so can adults. I hope your friend found many accepting friends in her adulthood. thankfully as this knowledge spreads, there are more people that understand there's a lot of differences in people and we shouldn't mock or tear down people because of those differences.
@@Psilly-Spirit Yes, but sadly most people don't try to learn about the struggles of other people if it doesn't effect them personally. And then when suddenly confronted with something they don't understand, they act like it's this terrible thing that needs to be attacked or avoided. We're all just human though. I wish people could love each other and accept all the differences. But I guess you can't have it all. Some people are just going to be assholes.
is it a penis coming out a vagina or is it a vagina intead of balls
check that mf chromosome .. if its xxy ya buddy got dat klinefelter syndrome .. if its xy then ur buddy is a dude
I once moved an old cemetery for reburial. There were no stones or records, so we determined the age and sex of each skeleton in case someone was looking for a relative. I don't know the precisely numbers, but a high percentage of them had at least one trait of the opposite sex, and more than a few appeared to professional archaeologists to be half and half. If bones can have a mix of male and female traits, surely other parts of the body can as well, and so might the brain and the mind.
That’s pretty cool. Thanks for sharing
If there were no headstones or records, determining the age or sex of the skeletons would not help any relatives identify them, now would it? What would the conversation be like? "Hi, I'm looking for my great granddad, he was 98 years old when he died?"....get's shown a pile of old "gender neutral bones"... "yes that must be him!" Something isn't adding up!
@@simonmuhamed1071 I was working with professional archaeologists/anthropologists. We sure wouldn't have bothered to try to determine their sexes if it couldn't be done for the overwhelming majority of them. The undeterminable ones were a small, but real minority. This was a potter's field. Most of them were buried in lines, in the order of their deaths. So rough estimates of dates of burial were possible. If a skeleton hasn't decomposed too badly, the age of the deceased can be determined to within a few years. These were the best possible methods for finding them. Obviously, the chances are slim. But if you were searching for someone you loved, wouldn't you want the best effort to be made?
@@simonmuhamed1071 I was thinking adding to DNA databases for future searches. Shrug.
@@dinahnicest6525 you have no understanding of reality. A skeleton can be aged by the bones and the teeth, no skin is required.
A close friend of mine who was assigned female at birth, identified as female, and has totally normal looking female anatomy found out she actually has XY chromosomes after she was having a health issue and got genetic testing done. Gender and sex are definitely on a spectrum, even if it's not always obvious. If she never had genetic testing done she may have never found out.
A spectrum of sex phenotypes does not prove there are more than two sexes.
@@magnomanxThen the person’s friend would really be a man, even though they have the appearance and anatomy of a woman, since they are a genotypic male.
Problem is, that doesn’t make any sense and isn’t a useful classification
@@mcmatthew7898 I'd say they would be chromosomally male and phenotypically female. I've always said that sex is a function of reproduction rather than phenotype expression but in this case the phenotypes align more with the female reproductive functions.
@@magnomanxwould you say that a reproductive male who lets say by some miracle successfully implanted a functioning uterus would become a female?
@@magnomanx yes god! tell them something about genotypes!
Fun fact: the coat color of cats is determined by genes on the X chromosome (on the black/brown/orange spectrum, not really white patches). Which means that to have 2 different colors in the coat, such as in a calico or tortoiseshell, the cat is almost always female! But males do exist with this coat pattern for some of the same genetic reasons explained in this video
And probably for some of the same reasons orange/ginger cats are 3 times more likely to be male.
Yes xxy males
What about stripes?
The "inside male, outside female" (Androgen Insensitive Syndrome) was on an episode of House, for exactly the reason mentioned at 11:35. The patient was a model (gorgeous lady) and ended up being diagnosed with that because she had testicular cancer.
I remember an episode of ER on that too
Great show! The prognosis didn't go down well with the dad.
What season?
and the she goes through the removal of the testicles and continues life as normal
@@facelessdrone yeah as much as I love house it can be very problematic. A lot of bigotry written of as jokes or not meant to be taken seriously. So it hasn’t aged well
me: oh the comment section looks pretty civil
me: *clicks newest first*
me: i don’t know what i expected
Josh the Art Critic I’m confused as to what that could mean, but go on.
Josh the Art Critic Max? And how is this propaganda?
I looked cuz of this comment.
It was scary.
@Josh the Art Critic yeah dude "political websites" like nature, good one
@Josh the Art Critic so you didn't even read my comment, but you reply anyway, nice. I took issue with you calling scientific journals, "political websites". Your disregard for scientific journals combined with your displayed reading skills does not lead me to believe that you "reading up on this" actually provided you with any scientific knowledge.
As a high school biology teacher, I approve the message in this video.
What about the fact that it doesn’t demonstrate more than two sexes, let alone define sex?
@DerpMcDerp-gb3ss they definitely aren't a biology teacher 😂
@@lordfreeza_ to be honest, I could believe it. They don’t necessarily believe it and there are a lot of terms that are misunderstood such as sex determination and intersex
@@DerpMcDerp-gb3ss "intersex" isn not even a term used in the medical field anymore, the correct term is dsd (developmental sex disorders). And its not one thing, the term intersex was an umbrella term for multiple conditions its not a separate sex. There are even sex specific intersex conditions meaning they only effect males or females so the idea that people with intersex conditions are a third sex is just ridiculous
@@lordfreeza_so if you have breasts a vagina and a female body but find out when you are 21 that you have androgen insensitivity then you are a man?
It turns out that most everything is more complex than I was taught in high school. While I feel a certain need for simplicity, I certainly do not want simplicity to come at the expense of denying the complexities that other people are living with. And I don’t have to make this a story that centers on ME. I can accept the world as it is.
Heck yeah!
if you want simplicity, science is the last thing you want to look into. lol
**clap**
well said
yeeeey thank you!!! you are wonderful!!
Just another example that you can't force the landscape to fit the map, you always have to adjust the map to fit the landscape.
Well said!
I like that phrase, did you come up with it or is it something you were taught?
I mean you can force it to fit. it just means a lot of terraforming way too much time and effort. how this goes into human social content well i just made it sound very bloody...
What do you mean by that
I like that!
Thank yall for making this video :) you did a good job handling this difficult subject, regardless of what the like/dislike ratio says
Yes, because that ratio is not telling anyone anything at all. Lol
@@rainynight02 really not what they're saying. the conclusion drawn is that biology is not black and white, and never has been.
@@vambuny The title of the video literally claims there are more than two sexes, which is untrue.
Because the like to dislike ratio only matters when you agree with it. (guess what, it still matters)
@mars
It's black and white 98% of the time, the way they represented this information is very misleading.
About time this was clarified. I swear that I read this 12 years ago while in grad school and have never been able to find it again.
I hope this information can now be spread. Now I can talk to those that are under informed people and finally have the references.
This video is spreading a lot of misinformation, since it is confusing sex determining system with the reason why we have s*x in the first place (which is anisogamy).
Coccodriles do not have se* chromosomes and develop their s*x based on their incubation temparature, despite this they do have male and female se*.
Many plants also do have sexes: the only reason why we can say they do have s*x is only do to anisogamy, otherwise it will be impossible to distinguish sexual and asexual species
It explained early into the video it was talking about the sex determinating process and not the action
@@whys_onyx Indeed...and yet used it to imply there are more than two sexes or that sex is a spectrum when none of the things described defined the existence of a new sex, since many animals, plants, etc... have very strong differences between secondary s*x characteristics (some living organisms have from a biological standpoint secondary characteristics that would have been in the opposite s** in another species) and differentiation. Intersex people indeed can have s** too (meaning, yes, intersex people can be male or female under s**) . The fact they can be ambiguous is not equal to a spectrum, otherwise it will be impossible to justify why some living beings with similar features instead are males if we don't rely to the only taxonomically consistent feature (anisogamy).
Hermaphrodism is the union of the 2 categories (meaning they are both male and female), not a new s*x, since a new s** would require a new gamete type that differ from the others in terms of function (which means that gamete type alone can influence that species reproductive roles).
Needless to say that not having s*x =/= a new s**, since that is the absence of s**, not a new s** by definition.
@@creaomega2643 It's kind of clickbait. I haven't watched the video, but from the title I can tell.
@@ouwebrood497 science videos should not be click bait. This leads to vapid claims like "the sex binary is a myth" and "male and female are arbitrary categories". It's nice that you are aware that the claim in the title is bollocks, but people who are more ignorant than you will be gullible enough to believe it.
I have someone in my family that had one of those surgeries a long time ago. They made her a girl because it was maybe easier to make a girl then a boy?
When they got older you could tell that they weren't supposed to be a girl. It was really sad seeing all the issues that they had to deal with because of it.
That’s awful ):
A lot of ambiguously-gendered infants were assigned female because "it's easier to dig a hole than build a pole". I'm sure that many of them are suffering the repercussions of this callous assessment in their adulthood.
Sure your family member has a genetic disorder caused by nondisjunction but that doesn't mean sex is a spectrum. People are born with 6 fingers but we don't say the number of fingers humans have on a hand is a spectrum.
@@ziploxian8516 There is a spectrum of things that DO happen. No, it doesn't make it normal. Though it does happen.
I'm thinking you've misconstrued the point of the video to assume everyones sex is on a spectrum. There is a spectrum of what's possible, though it doesn't mean that it's average.
Biology deals with facts. Not what anyone decides is comfortable.
@@ziploxian8516 A spectrum generally requires two set end points. We don't have a spectrum of finger numbers because it isn't normal for some people to have ten and some to have twenty. If it were, then people with polydactyly who had more than ten but fewer than twenty could truly be said to be on a spectrum. Gender is a spectrum because there are two end points, and a variety of middle cases. All happen naturally, for however you want to define "normal".
While I agree with everything in the video, I don't think 'spectrum' is a great term to describe these myriad sex variations. I think it suggests too strongly that sex is some smooth continuum, instead of a whole bunch of interesting discrete states. Not to mention that it sort of confines DSDs to a single dimension of description.
edit: OH! I just found a great replacement word: *constellation*. Sex is a constellation :)
source for constellation epiphany: everydayfeminism.com/2014/05/separating-identity-expression/
But that's missing half the points of the video. Because sex isn't only the sex chromosomes genetically. If you define it that way you are ignoring most of the determiners for sex and sex pheonotypes.
sex is often determined by external phenotypes which can be represented by a spectum. With genitals there is a slider between what is considered male and female, which has a bimodal distribution, pretty much every space along that slider has a person who occupies a nearby space depending on how much of what hormone they were exposed to when, and what genes were expressed. Making the spectrum of sex a funtional model,
however it doesn't really account for people who express both phenotypical male and female attributes making it incomplete. but I think at this place and time in history the spectrum model is a good stepping stone to a more complete picture for most people
I appreciate this look on it. Spectrum can get way too broad and make these problems lose their meaning. We need to keep categories, but there is a spectrum within those categories.
didn't read the article tho, I don't trust the website. But I like the constellation categorization idea
The original post here seems very contrived.
Spectrum doesn't mean continuous. Spectra can be discrete! We have lots of them in physics:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_spectrum
Hi, mosaic Turner here - I wasn't diagnosed until I was supposed to enter puberty and all my peers, as well as my younger sister, grew to be a foot or more taller than me. Since then I have been continuously learning what it means to be, as I like to think of it, a bit of a mutant, and now at 32 am starting the process of figuring out if I am on the autism spectrum, which is exciting.
My genes have set me on a path of discovery about myself in every aspect - gender, physiology, psychology - and I am nowhere near the end of it. I am perpetually on the road towards knowing me.
What a lovely and positive outlook ♡
You're an inspiration!❤
I mean you are a mutant but there is nothing wrong with that
I hope you get yourself figured out in a way that is satisfying to you.❤
@LouisTeaEnjoyer Which means it isn't binary. Biology isn't a computer program, because there is always an exception and mutation, that's how evolution works
wow 2% actually seems like a lot to me...certainly not a "one in a million" kind of thing. i wonder how high/prevalent something has to be (and visible) for society to accept that it is a thing that exists? it's unfortunate that rarity and invisibility (sometimes surgically purposefully) ends up with people refusing to accept it at all. 😞
It’s not 2% this idiotic study included people with micropenis. It literally said “what should a humans junk look like” and then worked from there
yeah, the number is like 1.7-2%, but the vast majority of those are actually quite minor deviations. e.g. if the urethral opening on a penis is a few millimeters to the side, this could be considered a "Disorder of Sexual Development"
because the exception does not invalidate the rule. When you're following a system you're gonna to choose the one that works for the most people, so does it make sense to ignore the other 98% & confuse that to try & appease the mere 2%? It doesn't
@@mrridikilis it is nowhere near 2% the person who made that claim is 1- an anthropologist 2- included people whose let’s say (cuz it’s UA-cam) bits weren’t what society would call pretty (small in ssize)
Yeah I've met a number of people whose argument devolves into "well we can't change policy and our traditions for *one percent* of the population. Like bruh 1 percent means you've definitely met at least 2 of these folks in your life. It's a terrible argument!
Damn girl, you got chromosomes in all the right places.
I like my girls with extra chromosomes
@@concars1234 if Chin Chin comes to collect them?
concars1234 I like mine with missing ones, different strokes for different folks I guess
Hey I'm a support main too
@@concars1234 what does that mean lmao
I found out at age 47 that I had Klinefelter Syndrome, XXY. I always thought there was something odd, particularly the testicular under-development, but never thought too hard on it. I've always had leading roles at work and was included in an intellectually talented course during high school. Ah well, life is like a box of chocolates...
It's all good Mark. Keep on trucking.
But you're a man
@@evilovesperry and you're a moron despite the username
@@TheKep Why would you comment that
Yeah there are a few genetic abnormalities like Klinefelters, super females (XXX), super males (XYY), and etc. This is mostly due to non-disjunction during meiosis, meaning that chromosomes fail to separate when gametes are formed leaving more than one sex determining chromosomes in the sperm or egg. So instead of two sex determining chromosomes, one from each parent, you might get 3.
And most of the comments are:
1. Expecting war in the comments
2. Thanking Hank for informative video
Where are all those negatives hiding?
3. Most comments are redundant; UA-cam algorithm, could you please delete the repeats?
They're in the threads under the positive comments. And they're almost all appealing to tradition, fallaciously.
Being deleted, obviously
@@tonycampbell1424 Nothing wrong with using Male and Female as standards to help recognize the more statistically rare variations. A variation is recognized from comparisons, after all.
@@christopherrapczynski204 that's fair
The fact that this is 4yo and I'm just seeing it and it's not talked about more
I’m really curious about how that father of four in his 70s reacted to the news that he had Fallopian tubes,
Josh the Art Critic Oh, my bad.
Lmao me too!
I swear the only thing responsbile for the dislike ratio is the goddamn clickbait title. The video is actually really informative and backed with hard evidence but that title makes me want to throw my laptop out the window with how clickbaity it is.
@@woopdedoop4811 i mean. is it wrong? doesnt matter how small the amount of people who are these sexes, they exist, therefore there's more than two
@@woopdedoop4811 he's dead wrong on multiple points... Developnental conditions are not extra sexes thats absolutely incorrect.
It will always amaze me how almost every single area of study known to man is full of nuance
nuance! layers! textures! context! details! minutiae! dimensions! All relevant, all connected, all difficult to even comprehend - let alone approach -at scale, as the totality of wholeness that it is.
I mean, that's why scientists and scientifically literate people tend not to make absolute claims. Absolute claims are often quippy, comforting, and false.
@@Pluveus I like how the claim present in your reply is not absolute either XD
That’s the fun thing about the universe. As much as we think we can put everything in neat little boxes, it’s not that easy. The world is one big, mysterious mess.
@@Nexus-en1lz Not to mention contradictory. The people who can't handle the idea of intersex people existing will have an even worse time handling quantum physics or the idea that we may well be 2-dimensional holograms in a multiverse. ;P
I can remember that our biology textbooks had a page or so (so, not much, but you take what you can get) about chromosomal specialities: 1X, XXY, XYY and I can remember, that Y alone would be unable to live, because it was insuficient to sustain live. (There are some vital information on the X chromosome)
its called Y envy....
time will tell.
@@VictorVonVulfgang I would state it as the default androgynous plan for mammals is similar to the female morphology, and having the Y triggers the extra changes to produced a male one. So a OY offspring will be missing the default plans for thier body.
Like having a mod kit, but not the original thing you are modding.
I mean this makes sense, evolution takes the easiest route not the one that makes sense to us. But one thing is the Y may be inessential to life but it def is needed for our species to continue to procreate and go on.
@@VictorVonVulfgang Technically not (gender diversion happened from a original organ and the development of sex organs is simultanous instead of modification from one to the other due to "development alterations"/only animals with pseudo hermaphroditic traits, like certain fish that in emergencies can swap sexes, does nature have the case where a ovaries turn to testicles or testicles to ovaries), but its a good simplification for the argument.
I worked with children for 30 some years. And i knew 5 children that had both genders. Some were physically evident, but some were chromosomal/ hormonal. And didn't know it until they were going through puberty or later. One child was given up at birth, the parents couldn't handle it. And one grandparent of one of the children said they should have been killed at birth. It is just so heartbreaking that people are so rigid in their thinking.
Just for some interesting perspective: DSDs overall occur in 1 in 300-500 live births. In the UK Klinefelters syndrome (XXY) occurs in 1 in 600 male births. Down syndrome occurs in 1 in 1000.
How is the 2% quoted in the video correct then? Last i checked 1/300, 1/500, and 1/1000 are all far far less than 2%.
@@Schlynn The 2% figure refers to all people with atypical sex development. That includes all possible conditions combined. The three listed are just some examples.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12476264
The 2% figure is a lie, based on another lie from a far left radical activist who has been debunked multiple times. They literally just made up their own definition of intersex to reach the number.
@@oBCHANo you provided a link that disagrees with the deffinition they used. Despite the fact that they present the deffinition they are using immediately. It's not a lie in any sense. You just dont like it being true.
@Larissa Thorn When you have to make up your own definition that is disagreed with by all of academia you're lying.
This video has nothing to do with the lgbt community or any social issues, this is just a biology video. Although thousands of dislikers didn’t get the memo
Mario The video says in the 1st minute that this has nothing to do with genders
Mario Everything in this video is factually and biologically true. This video is just stating how you can have more than just XX and XY, this video isn’t trying to give anyone suggestions about anything, it’s just a biology video
This video isn’t political, YOU made it political
@Mario how dumb are you?
Joshua Salem everything in the video is correct, the title is wrong. This video discusses the science behind sex being on a spectrum, however that doesn’t mean there are more than 2 sexes. It means some people share attributes of both. There’s no third thing, intersex is being partway between.
The title being named that way was a political choice, and the video does get political. It doesn’t bring in the social ramifications of a sex binary excluding the intersex if not actively trying to preach about transgenderism.
If it wants to be political that’s fine. If hank thinks this will help normalize being trans by bringing to light the science and commonality of intersex people (something that leads to gender dysmorphia often) that’s fine to. I don’t see why people in the comments are plugging their ears and claiming nobody watched the video, I’m starting to think you guys didn’t if you thought this wasn’t in any way political.
Big Boy It’s not political. People are making it that way
Also yes, a “spectrum” means you have a line with many different possibilities between the 2 points on either end
The electromagnetic spectrum (of visible light at least) goes from 400-700nm. You have red light on one end, violet light on the other, and many different possibilities in between
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"Gonadal Riffs"
You all need a bassist?
If you value your sanity, don't read the comments!
😂😂 gold 👍
I wonder why this has so many dislikes since this is only talking about intersex people and not transgender people.
The brain capacity of transphobes is limited to seeing gender and sex as the same thing
Because you have the flawed idea that people think of intersex people any more favorably than trans people.
Because you assume those people watched the video and cared to waste their limited brain capacity on understanding what the video actually discusses. Not that I think they would be more respectful towards intersex people.
Maybe because it's a politically biased video that ignores and misinterprets biological facts. But I'm just guessing.
@@GigglingStoners it's literally talking about intersex and the different DSDs if you think that this type of education is political then obviously it says more about you than anything.
I’ve been saying this for years. It makes no sense that *every* other aspect of being a human can be on a spectrum but gender or sex isn’t. Thanks for the in-depth look at this topic!
~Trav
Gender, which is a societal concept is. Sex, which is biological and consist of only two is not.
@@quincyjones5676 Look up Hermaphrodites and Chimeras.
@@quincyjones5676 Did you even watch this video.
@@quincyjones5676 guess who didn't watch the video 👆👆
@@quincyjones5676 please watch the whole video before you comment next time.
video: *posted 6 minutes ago*
dislikers: "allow us to introduce ourselves"
Funny considering the video is 14 minutes long and had 1000 dislikes when it had only been up for 5 minutes.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy Well, the same applies for likes so let's make it a majority vote.
@@andreasbergqvist6239 Yeah both are bad. Why use whataboutism
I watched the video at double speed, so its possible others did something similar.
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I have Klinefelter's syndrome and have been injecting testosterone since I was 29. I went thru a masculinizing puberty in my 30s.....what a trip!!!
Oh god, that sounds like quite the experience. On the bright side, you had a fully developed brain, so you prob weren’t as much of a greasy pain in the ass as a teen boy 😂
I remember reading that, no matter which chromosomes you end up with, you need to have at least an X or the fetus is not viable. That is, you can have XY, XX, XXY, XYY- but not Y or YY.
women are actually oppesssing men confirmed! can't have a child without those pesky x chromosomes.
Tehnically all males are half women because humans need atleast one X chromosome to to exist. When I was kid in school we were taught that male is broken version of woman, break one leg of X and you will end up with Y. Bible would be more scientifically accurate if first human was Eve and Adam was created from piece of her. Usually you can meet men with more than one Y in prisons because it makes them to be caveman brutes. Those other variations of chromosomes are deformation and it doesn't make new genders.
They Y chromosome is much smaller than the x and only has one important gene. So it’s pretty obvious that 2 Y chromosomes would not work.
Plus these are genetic diseases
How on earth are you gonna get a YY and no X when the human being that is making you (the woman) HAS NOTHING ELSE BUT X's?!?! The first X is always the mother's and it is impossible to not have an X