True, but that whole argumentation of course only works with the availability of Superchargers. Especially on very long trips you would lose much more time for charging than for the bio stop only without SC's.
Which is why I'm a bit surprised we haven't heard other MFRS discussing Supercharger sharing. Supercharger is what allows EV to go from second car, to first/only car.
Because of your program's I have switched to eco tricity . Not only do you speak to a nice person that wants to help but I've also saved money and I'm doing my bit for the environment . So thanks for sharing these . Come on peeps check them out .
Love the show, but I wish the sound quality was better. Perhaps some headset mics or a zoom X/Y type recorder would reduce the echo and make it sounds less thin and tinny? I think Sennheiser had a UA-cam series on microphones for video and Rode also had some good demos on their website.
Yep energy inequality is actually one of the reasons that I wanted to move from a Nissan Leaf to the Tesla Model S. Nissan have never understood that a good fast charging network is part of an electric car and should be included in your purchase of that car, Tesla gets that! The other thing that I always feel should be constantly mentioned is that an electric car costs less than its sticker price relative to an ICE vehicle, because the "fuel" is so cheap in comparison to petrol or diesel. A Tesla Model S 85kW car costs as little s £30k if you keep it for 8-10 years, due to all the fuel cost savings (plus other savings). So not that unaffordable for lots of people. Oh and btw, I've seen a supercharger charging my car at up to 250 miles an hour, that one in west London seems to be running a bit slow atm for some reason, no idea why.
Always exciting to see another episode of Fully Charged uploaded! As for your concern about energy inequality, the fact is, we have that right now in regards to resources in every sector of our lives. If it were not for new technology, scientific advancements and social pressures along with new businesses being created to fill the void that would be created when oil and gas are no longer viable, we are now at the forefront of leveling and making more accessible and less centralized, energy, economy and social benefits to improve all around wellbeing. It looks a bit naff on a good day, but there are many bright lights emerging in these times like the companies you mentioned. As we all become better informed (with programs like yours) we consumers can and have begun to make better decisions in what we will support and what is better for us personally as well as societally. Everything is changing, just keep holding on and looking ahead.
The Tesla Superchargers will always be free. FYI. Also, the Current and voltage is changing to keep the batteries from charging too fast. It is all carefully modulated by Tesla Software.
Nice to see Simon Hackett here. One of the great innovators of the digital age here in Australia with his ISP Internode. We all have big telcos in each country but it's the little guys like Internode that offer the real long term advantages. It's great that he's earnt the income to afford his Roadster and Model S to go with his fleet of gliders. Yeah!
To get an idea how efficient the Tesla is....... it's 85kwh battery pack holds the Btu equivalent of 2.53 gallons of gasoline .......and yet it can go 260 miles! Pretty cool....
Yet another interesting video, thanks, Robert. FYI, Simon Hackett is not the number one Australian ticket holder for the Model S. At best he is number 3. In any case, his car will, no doubt, be in the first batch of deliveries. He has been a big supporter of the company - buying the Roadster and setting range records with it - and I'm sure he will continue to be a great advocate when he takes possession of his Model S.
Robert, make sure you produce a video recording of your talk. I've listened to an audio recording, and I loved it. Especially the part about the shift stick being a man's thing, and clitoral gear changes.
***** When the AWD only Model X goes into production at the end of the year, an AWD version of the Model S will be available. In 2017 once the gigafactory is built, the Model 3 will be available at around $35,000. It will be around 20% smaller than the Model S with at least 200 miles range and Elon Musk has stated that the Model 3 will be Supercharger enabled. This is possible due to the reduction in cost to produce the battery packs in said factory.
Power Grids like the UK's is one reason why I am glad I live in British Columbia, where we have BC Hydro, which as of 2014, 95 per cent of the province's electricity has been produced by hydroelectric generating stations, which consist mostly of large hydroelectric dams on the Columbia and Peace Rivers with the various facilities generating between 43,000 and 54,000 gigawatt hours of electricity annually, depending on prevailing water levels, with a capacity of around 11,000 megawatts. So yay for 1.8 million customers in most areas of BC receiving clean power!
You are awesome.. I own a 2013 Prius III. Not anything like the Tesla . I can't afford any model unfortunately. But love your videos. Nice to know you only review electric type cars!!! Win win!!
Another great video. I would like to add that as well as "saving the planet" eco cars also save a packet. I run a honda insight hybrid and I find it hard to get less than 60 MPG even in heavy traffic. I'd love a pure electric car but a hybrid isn't a bad start. Hopefully Ecars will become more common and good used models will start to appear.
Hi, I like your FC show very much, I watch as many Tesla shows as I can, I love the Tesla......I was watching a show from a guy that lives in Norway and he has a P85 Tesla. He has about 10 shows about the Tesla of him driving all over the place and mostly in the snow!!, his shows are a lot of fun to watch, you can find his shows here on U-TUBE, his name is Bjorn. He even sleeps in it when he"s on a trip, He just turns the heat on to about 19 degrees C and goes to sleep and it is below zero out side, WOW this could save someones life if they got stuck in a snow store. I would have never thought you could use the Tesla as a camper, BRILLIANT!!!....James
Recharging at 5 miles per hour is low, true, but most cars sit idle more than 20 hours per day. The average daily drive in the UK is 23 miles. So for an average UK motorist, the car will be on charge 4 times longer than it needs to be even on a 13 amp plug. Looked at another way, if it's only plugged in while you sleep, it's still nearly twice as much charging as it *needs* to cover all your normal use.
From Teslas home page: How much does it cost to use the Supercharger? Supercharging is free for the life of Model S, once the Supercharger option is enabled. How long does it take to Supercharge? Superchargers are capable of delivering up to 50% battery capacity in about 20 minutes. Why is it free? We want to encourage Model S owners to take road trips. Will it always be free? Yes, Superchargers will be free to use for Supercharging-enabled vehicles for the life of Model S.
around 12:00... well as technology is improving solar panels are getting cheaper. I don't believe there will be much of a problem when it comes to cost of energy for transportation for long.
i stumbled across your videos as i am getting my first leaf later this month. as you got to the end of your video and just in passing you talk about the smaller energy providers, i was like, wait, what?? oh ye im part of the 94% (not now!) time for change!! thanks for your videos :)
When I hear the name Tesla. I immediately say " I wonder what all the LITTTLE PEOPLE are doing ?" So only with great reluctance did I watch this... and true to form Robert made it worth while.. and was Spot On in talking about Energey Inequality ! Bravo RL ! I am posting on facebook, so my snarky cohorts in California may hear what you've said.
I had the good fortune to drive my friend's Tesla S for a day as I showed him around my home town. He was on his way back to Montreal after a Tesla owners' gathering in California, then up the west coast and back. The trip didn't cost him a cent for fuel, and that's 5000 km+. Wonderful car - everything they say about its acceleration, handling and sophistication is true. Plus, as Mike puts it, you can look forward to software updates with new capabilities. I love that they added 'car creep' as an option, for example. Almost didn't need the brakes with its regenerative braking. I'll have to wait for Tesla's more affordable new model due out in a year or so. PS. Loved your 'it's a bit posh and that makes me uncomfortable because I'm a guilt-ridden, middle-class, wishy-washy, lefty liberal, -- but I got over it because it's such a nice car to drive.' :-)
The voltage in the US is about 1% of spec. Of course the car is regulating the current (current limiting) based on cell temperatures. So your current will change but your voltage shouldn't unless there's something wrong with the grid. I think but I don't know that some superchargers limit current. Some based on demand or whether you're plugged into an A or B. Or, it might be geographical location. But the voltage ought to hang right in there.
The grid doesnt vary very much atall, if the ampage changes its probrably the program within the car adjustinging the current based on its battery. Eg slower charging when its almost at full capacity
Actually the supercharger network is a solar grid tie system, and it is sustainable because the network puts in more energy into the electric grid than it puts out. In supercharger stations like the one at the bottom of a parking garage, there are probably solar panels on the roof feeding the grid.
'Free' charging can actually be quite sustainable because you pay quite a bit up front and it's relatively rare that you take the longer trips. I don't think they intend to change it, at least in USA.
Yeah, i reckon there'd be reasons out there which would make it in the government's interest to just subsidize the whole cost forever. Dunno how receptive they'd be to said arguments, but there'd be an argument to be had never the less. i mean, i bet the government is already currently subsidizing petroleum to a tune a lot richer than £4 per tank*. If they paid £4 per tank for electric cars instead, they could still end up coming out infront, all the while having a society that pays nothing for fuel. *just think of all the money we've all spent in middle eastern wars, in the name of oil.
I've just come across these fully charged videos (I'm from Argentina and had no idea such a show like Fully Charged existed) and I am in awe by all the input I'm getting from this technology. Still, something concerns me about it: here in my country electricity is natural gas generated; a very small amount comes from hydro-electric plants. I could catcth the windmills at the sides of the roads there in the UK; however, are the windmills enough? Meaning, if a big percentage of electricity is still natural gas (or other fossiles) generated, wouldn't it be still necessary to import gas either from Russia or the Gulf countries? Thx in advanced. Cheers!
The only gotcha at the moment is that even though the electricity is inexpensive, the wear and tear on the battery costs more than the fuel would have cost. Hopefully the gigafactory will reduce the cost of the batteries and this will no longer be so.
BooBaddyBig This is such a common assumption but it's not based on an actual fact or experience. My car, a Nissan Leaf, has covered 42,352 miles and when the battery was tested in May this year, it was at 97.2% of its original capacity. So, after 84,000 miles it'll probably be at around 94%. A Tesla driver in the USA has already done over 100,000 miles in his car and the battery is still perfectly healthy. He's saved 10's of thousands on fuel. Add to this the actual cost of a new battery, the Nissan Leaf replacement battery is already under £5,000 and it will only get cheaper. It's impossible to say yet exactly how long the batteries will last but all the indications are they will outlast the car. So it's simply not true, the 'wear and tear' on the batteries is minimal and will never cost more than fossil fuels would have cost. Sorry to burst your ill informed confidence bubble. :-)
fullychargedshow OK, having traced it back, it turns out I'm slightly behind on the news, the battery price has recently dropped, and that makes it no longer true. But it used to be, and not that long ago. That's very good news then.
Tesla's superchargers are free because the cost of around $2,000 is built into the purchase price of the vehicle. Since customers pre-pay the system is indeed sustainable and the company has the capital to build out the network.
The model S is a large car, but ironically that is good - because longer liftback vehicles are more aerodynamic at high speeds. The Leaf is smaller/lighter but less aerodynamic so it has better efficiency in urban/suburban driving, but on the highway its efficiency is about the same as the Model S.
I heard a rumor that the cost for Tesla to add "Superchargers" is added to the price of each car that they sell. I think I heard something about it being around £ 2000.. Still, just a rumor. By the way, you should check out Bjørn Nylands channel. I don't know how to link such things here on youtube so you'll have to do a manual search ;) He's a Tesla Model S owner who do tests and amazing road trips in his car.
It is not a rumor. That is the price to access the supercharger network if you only got a 60KWh battery. And it is certainly part of the price difference to the 85KWh battery. They have to take the money from somewhere after all. A new supercharger station costs around $150k to install. Plus the energy from renewables (solar, wind) costs basically the initial capital cost, so that makes a pay-upfront model like that viable for tesla.
I have had my leaf a few months now and the only question I can't answer is whether Lithium is a. Extremely environmentally destructive to mine. B. There's only a finite amount of it. Any ideas Robert?
Ryan Noble Like all raw materials, Lithium is damaging to extract. Of course there are environmental costs, the big difference is that once you've extracted it, the Lithium has a very long working life, after which 100% can be re-used. You can't really say the same for fossil fuels. At the point an electric car comes off the production line, it's environmental impact is just as great as for a traditional car, however, from that moment on it's impact reduces, whereas a traditional car just gets worse and worse.
Gasoline / petrol is far more environmentally destructive/toxic/environmentally damaging than the extremely small amount of lithium that goes into EV batteries. And there's also a finite amount of fossil fuels left as well, however an EV only needs lithium once, not every time you need to refuel. And it's really a pretty small amount that actually goes into batteries anyway. And as Robert says, it is highly recyclable should world supplies ever diminish.
fullychargedshow I saw your previous video which said that it uses lots of electricity to actually refine the oil in the first place and get the petrol. Do you think that the electrical energy required to produce say, a liter of fuel, is comparable to the energy input into an electric car, to receive the same amount of miles as a liter of fuel? In other words, if we all switched to electric vehicles, to what extent would we be just 'cutting out the middle man' by not needing petrol? I guess my question could be put more simply, how much electricity is required to refine one liter of fuel?
The lithium content of a li-ion battery is only about 1% of its weight. There is one lake in Bolivia alone with 1000 years supply. It's not particularly toxic and is easy to recycle out of spent cells by simple school-boy chemistry. In a few years, new batteries will appear using cheaper materials, like graphene [or charcoal from cotton] with frightening capacities to rival even petrol [or TNT] in kwh/kg Currently, newer designs of li-ion cell will outlive most of the running gear in better designs, like the one yon hoppin' presenter is driving
Awesome episode. Question though, why the heck do you guys always say miles? I'm from Canada and we almost never measure in miles, I am always confused with UK car reviews and videos.
Looks like it's a 5 door hatch, so an Audi A7 is it's nearest rival in size etc ?? !! I think they should have an option for a smaller screen too or have a detachable iPad and a Rear Wiper on the Rear Hatch for British Weather conditions etc and possibly in future an AWD option too. Electricity powering all four wheels ?? !! Good for rich early adopters only right now, but hopefully by the 3rd or 4th Generation it will make more sense i.e. cheaper more efficient battery technology and better range / charging options etc.. They also need a Tesla Golf sized model for the Real World etc So sadly I'd have to choose a Diesel A7 quattro for now, but in the future who knows !!! How much does it cost ?? Is a BMW i8 a more realistic option than this or than your Nissan Leaf a BMW i3 with the motorcycle engine on-board electric generator ?? !!
Are you aware Tesla will have fitted a monitor to assess your driving? To his shock, a New York Post reporter, non motoring, discovered this after a negative report on the car. Tesla were able to provide details of his driving. The car is amazing as I tested same in Boca Raton in the summer, while on vacation from Scotland. I have a Lexus GS450h.
Interesting how you make a statement for all Model S owners without even knowing all of them. Maybe some of the not so rich folks made some calculations and decided that in the long term they will be better of with a Tesla even if it is a high initial cost. Have you thought about that?
d1oftwins I don't want to argue. I enjoy the show. I'm a fan of Telsa and very concern with our planet. But, I'll never be able to afford a Model S. I see few Model S everyday in Sherman Oaks. It's a great car.
i am in Australia and I am seeing if I can get to some of my retirement funds to buy a tesla S as well but so far I am not permitted to attack my savings. The GFC had it not happened would have seen me be able to afford 3 or 4 of the tesla S cars with what I lost from the GFC :( ..
Elon Musk said that the supercharges will be free forever. That is as long as you have the top tier models. So if you buy the lower end model, you will have to pay a one-off £2000 fee if you want to use them forever. Or you can just not use them.
iOS Gamer But if you live in Europe, even in the countries where there isn't a showroom or Supercharger, like Turkey, Tesla enables the Superchargers for 24, 48 or 72 hours for *free* as well so you can drive it home
Another great episode, thanks Robert. I love the vision of the tesla, in theory. The more I think about it though the more I see a future of everyone trying to drive everywhere for very little cost. Millions of people stuck in metal boxes all day on roads 15 lanes wide. The motorcar does seem to be a drug that gives us the illusion of freedom and a sense of fulfilment that in reality does not offer long term happiness for mankind. So maybe the most unsustainable aspect of the motorcar is far from it's environmental impact but more a social one. We as animal never evolved to travel everywhere in machines, It's just another aspect of modern life that detaches us from the real beings we are. I'm fascinated by Elon Musk vision, how he wants to make a positive impact on humanity and leave his mark. Because his mind is so focused on the technical challenges I thinking he is missing the bigger picture. The best thing for humanity would be to reduce how much we use vehicles as personal transportation and become better connected the people and environment around us. This is not to put a downer on the Model S as all the Tesla Motors team seem to have created a brilliant machine that seems to have broken the rules on what a car company can do. I hope none of the their less efficient workforce get laid off at very short notice any time soon.
Well put, Jevon. What was the society end environment like before the car was invented? From what I've learned housing for the workers was offered by the factory. Naturally in walking distance from the factory. Therefore the workers had to spend their spare time in the same dirty environment that they had to endure at work. I don't think I want to go back in time. Today our societey is divided into living areas and industrial areas and us workers can breathe relatively clean air on our spare time.
5:00 minutes in and you haven`t said ANYTHING about which of the Model S` you`re driving..... They`re worlds apart,the 60 and 85kw battery packs and ppl should know this if this is a car review
Time to try scratch cards?! Looked into finance for a £60k model S: offered @ £1200 per month for five years. I sort of hope they depreciate at the normal rate so that I can get one in a few years. My Ampera's value is almost half the initial cost after 18 months...
Model X is coming out soon. I'm saving money for the Model III $35000 200 miles range. 8 years full replacement warranty unlimited mile. which car company offer this for their powertrain? only Tesla. it is totally a 3 series killer.
tbyte I'm amused that something as mundane as the use of miles or kilometers could make anyone that angry. I do, however generally agree, but the car measures range, speed and distance covered in miles. I'm sure it's possible to change that in the settings so it reads all that in kilometers, however all road signs in the UK still measure distance in miles so I would suggest we are in a transitionary phase.
fullychargedshow It does. Especially after the 9th time I had try to calculate how much kilometers are the miles you just said while trying to listen what your are saying next. It gets really frustrating really fast (for like 90% of the world ?) and especially when You know that the imperial system is less than useless (you can't just divide/multiply by 1000 and get the lower/higher metric) ;) . And I hate your sinks with two separate faucets too !!! now that's something really stupid :P
tbyte We use a bizarre mixture of metric and imperial units in the UK. Fuel is sold in litres but fuel economy is in miles per gallon. Road weight limit signs are in metric tonnes but distances and speeds are imperial. Pints are used for selling milk and beer, but litres are used for other drinks. Ordnance survey maps (for walkers, hikers etc) have km squares on them, but distances on the ground are in miles. Timber is sold in my local garden centre as the height and width in inches and the length in metres (e.g. 2x2 inches by 4.8 metres). Seriously, don't ask :P
You Units fascist!. Try being a pilot. The speeds in knots, the heights in feet and the fuel is in Lbs, litres or gallons (US and Imperial) One HS748 I once flew had the left wing tank in Lbs and the right wing tank in Litres.
This video has inaccurate information and gives a bad opinion. Elon Musk has stated that the reason why Tesla offers free electricity for the vehicle is because the cost for electricity is included within the purchase price of the vehicle. Elon Musk has also stated that the electricity will be free in the long term because they will create small solar powered generators at each Tesla charging location therefore creating free electricity.
The content is great, but the sound quality is terrible. A youTube channel of such calliper certainly deserves a better miking techniques and at least one clip on microphone.
A shame that he is no longer with us. A brilliant man with a great mind and attitude with life.
"Bladder anxiety kicks in about 150 miles before range anxiety"
Awesome statement.
Very true! During our recent trip from Switzland to UK, we had to make a bio stop before a charging stop many times :-)
Kinda pokes a huge hole in arguments about range.
Tesla, the vehicle that allows you to quickly fill while emptying at the same time!
True, but that whole argumentation of course only works with the availability of Superchargers.
Especially on very long trips you would lose much more time for charging than for the bio stop only without SC's.
Which is why I'm a bit surprised we haven't heard other MFRS discussing Supercharger sharing.
Supercharger is what allows EV to go from second car, to first/only car.
Heinz Ruffieux Lose, not loose. Two completely different words, as in 'weight' vs 'wait'.
Because of your program's I have switched to eco tricity . Not only do you speak to a nice person that wants to help but I've also saved money and I'm doing my bit for the environment . So thanks for sharing these . Come on peeps check them out .
Love the show, but I wish the sound quality was better. Perhaps some headset mics or a zoom X/Y type recorder would reduce the echo and make it sounds less thin and tinny?
I think Sennheiser had a UA-cam series on microphones for video and Rode also had some good demos on their website.
It does get better as the videos go along. Hopefully you watched the channel grow and already knew about the improved sound quality. Cheers.
Nice to see Sir Terry but sad that he is gone.
Yep energy inequality is actually one of the reasons that I wanted to move from a Nissan Leaf to the Tesla Model S. Nissan have never understood that a good fast charging network is part of an electric car and should be included in your purchase of that car, Tesla gets that! The other thing that I always feel should be constantly mentioned is that an electric car costs less than its sticker price relative to an ICE vehicle, because the "fuel" is so cheap in comparison to petrol or diesel. A Tesla Model S 85kW car costs as little s £30k if you keep it for 8-10 years, due to all the fuel cost savings (plus other savings). So not that unaffordable for lots of people. Oh and btw, I've seen a supercharger charging my car at up to 250 miles an hour, that one in west London seems to be running a bit slow atm for some reason, no idea why.
Always exciting to see another episode of Fully Charged uploaded! As for your concern about energy inequality, the fact is, we have that right now in regards to resources in every sector of our lives. If it were not for new technology, scientific advancements and social pressures along with new businesses being created to fill the void that would be created when oil and gas are no longer viable, we are now at the forefront of leveling and making more accessible and less centralized, energy, economy and social benefits to improve all around wellbeing. It looks a bit naff on a good day, but there are many bright lights emerging in these times like the companies you mentioned. As we all become better informed (with programs like yours) we consumers can and have begun to make better decisions in what we will support and what is better for us personally as well as societally. Everything is changing, just keep holding on and looking ahead.
The Tesla Superchargers will always be free. FYI. Also, the Current and voltage is changing to keep the batteries from charging too fast. It is all carefully modulated by Tesla Software.
Admirable passion for the electric car and renewables in general. Keep up the great work.
Finally, another episode of Fully Charged!
Nice to see Simon Hackett here. One of the great innovators of the digital age here in Australia with his ISP Internode. We all have big telcos in each country but it's the little guys like Internode that offer the real long term advantages. It's great that he's earnt the income to afford his Roadster and Model S to go with his fleet of gliders. Yeah!
the last few minutes of this episode are excellent.
To get an idea how efficient the Tesla is....... it's 85kwh battery pack holds the Btu equivalent of 2.53 gallons of gasoline .......and yet it can go 260 miles! Pretty cool....
Thanks Robert! Especially liked your commentary at the end.
So nice to see Terry Pratchett again
This is a fabulous show to watch, thank you to all who make this show possible.
Wow. The last few minutes of this video were really awesome. Very informative
Very descriptive video. Excellent details on recharging.
Yet another interesting video, thanks, Robert. FYI, Simon Hackett is not the number one Australian ticket holder for the Model S. At best he is number 3. In any case, his car will, no doubt, be in the first batch of deliveries. He has been a big supporter of the company - buying the Roadster and setting range records with it - and I'm sure he will continue to be a great advocate when he takes possession of his Model S.
Robert, make sure you produce a video recording of your talk. I've listened to an audio recording, and I loved it. Especially the part about the shift stick being a man's thing, and clitoral gear changes.
Hope you get a Tesla model S! Thank you for uploading.
I miss Terry, it's good Death let him come back for that bbc documentary though.
I'm telling everyone I know and sharing your vids daily - keep up the brilliant work
*****
When the AWD only Model X goes into production at the end of the year, an AWD version of the Model S will be available. In 2017 once the gigafactory is built, the Model 3 will be available at around $35,000. It will be around 20% smaller than the Model S with at least 200 miles range and Elon Musk has stated that the Model 3 will be Supercharger enabled.
This is possible due to the reduction in cost to produce the battery packs in said factory.
Power Grids like the UK's is one reason why I am glad I live in British Columbia, where we have BC Hydro, which as of 2014, 95 per cent of the province's electricity has been produced by hydroelectric generating stations, which consist mostly of large hydroelectric dams on the Columbia and Peace Rivers with the various facilities generating between 43,000 and 54,000 gigawatt hours of electricity annually, depending on prevailing water levels, with a capacity of around 11,000 megawatts. So yay for 1.8 million customers in most areas of BC receiving clean power!
the background/environmental sound is awful
You are awesome.. I own a 2013 Prius III. Not anything like the Tesla . I can't afford any model unfortunately. But love your videos. Nice to know you only review electric type cars!!! Win win!!
Another great video. I would like to add that as well as "saving the planet" eco cars also save a packet. I run a honda insight hybrid and I find it hard to get less than 60 MPG even in heavy traffic. I'd love a pure electric car but a hybrid isn't a bad start. Hopefully Ecars will become more common and good used models will start to appear.
Hi, I like your FC show very much, I watch as many Tesla shows as I can, I love the Tesla......I was watching a show from a guy that lives in Norway and he has a P85 Tesla. He has about 10 shows about the Tesla of him driving all over the place and mostly in the snow!!, his shows are a lot of fun to watch, you can find his shows here on U-TUBE, his name is Bjorn. He even sleeps in it when he"s on a trip, He just turns the heat on to about 19 degrees C and goes to sleep and it is below zero out side, WOW this could save someones life if they got stuck in a snow store. I would have never thought you could use the Tesla as a camper, BRILLIANT!!!....James
Recharging at 5 miles per hour is low, true, but most cars sit idle more than 20 hours per day. The average daily drive in the UK is 23 miles. So for an average UK motorist, the car will be on charge 4 times longer than it needs to be even on a 13 amp plug. Looked at another way, if it's only plugged in while you sleep, it's still nearly twice as much charging as it *needs* to cover all your normal use.
From Teslas home page:
How much does it cost to use the Supercharger?
Supercharging is free for the life of Model S, once the Supercharger option is enabled.
How long does it take to Supercharge?
Superchargers are capable of delivering up to 50% battery capacity in about 20 minutes.
Why is it free?
We want to encourage Model S owners to take road trips.
Will it always be free?
Yes, Superchargers will be free to use for Supercharging-enabled vehicles for the life of Model S.
woaaaah! Terry Pratchett. anyway loved it
around 12:00... well as technology is improving solar panels are getting cheaper. I don't believe there will be much of a problem when it comes to cost of energy for transportation for long.
i stumbled across your videos as i am getting my first leaf later this month. as you got to the end of your video and just in passing you talk about the smaller energy providers, i was like, wait, what?? oh ye im part of the 94% (not now!) time for change!! thanks for your videos :)
Loved it! A bit more serious approach, great if this same approach stays with the programme!
When I hear the name Tesla. I immediately say " I wonder what all the LITTTLE PEOPLE are doing ?" So only with great reluctance did I watch this... and true to form Robert made it worth while.. and was Spot On in talking about Energey Inequality ! Bravo RL ! I am posting on facebook, so my snarky cohorts in California may hear what you've said.
You do trully amazing videos :) I like them very much! Sincerely from Lithuania, Vilnius.
Very enjoyable piece Robert - thanks. Are you at Donington tomorrow?
I had the good fortune to drive my friend's Tesla S for a day as I showed him around my home town. He was on his way back to Montreal after a Tesla owners' gathering in California, then up the west coast and back. The trip didn't cost him a cent for fuel, and that's 5000 km+. Wonderful car - everything they say about its acceleration, handling and sophistication is true. Plus, as Mike puts it, you can look forward to software updates with new capabilities. I love that they added 'car creep' as an option, for example. Almost didn't need the brakes with its regenerative braking. I'll have to wait for Tesla's more affordable new model due out in a year or so.
PS. Loved your 'it's a bit posh and that makes me uncomfortable because I'm a guilt-ridden, middle-class, wishy-washy, lefty liberal, -- but I got over it because it's such a nice car to drive.' :-)
250 to 300 miles, spent in the middle lane.
Please put your speech about energy inequality on as a short video. Its good and deserves sharing a lot!
That was nonsense. The power is prepaid as part of the car's price.
The voltage in the US is about 1% of spec. Of course the car is regulating the current (current limiting) based on cell temperatures. So your current will change but your voltage shouldn't unless there's something wrong with the grid. I think but I don't know that some superchargers limit current. Some based on demand or whether you're plugged into an A or B. Or, it might be geographical location. But the voltage ought to hang right in there.
Off to test drive the tesla this week. Very much looking forward to it. At £50k it sounds expensive but is good value compared to its peers.
I can't believe it! This video is still running even though I just boiled the kettle!
Actually, the chargers will remain free for life.
Only if the 'free charger use' comes with your car package (UK anyway)
PsyTech lol
Wow Aussie Simon is your double LOL
The grid doesnt vary very much atall, if the ampage changes its probrably the program within the car adjustinging the current based on its battery. Eg slower charging when its almost at full capacity
Great video ;0) Thanks for making and sharing :0)
Actually the supercharger network is a solar grid tie system, and it is sustainable because the network puts in more energy into the electric grid than it puts out. In supercharger stations like the one at the bottom of a parking garage, there are probably solar panels on the roof feeding the grid.
Eventually. Solar feeds only a few SCs at the moment, but the intention is to offset all charging with solar feeds in the future.
'Free' charging can actually be quite sustainable because you pay quite a bit up front and it's relatively rare that you take the longer trips. I don't think they intend to change it, at least in USA.
Yeah, i reckon there'd be reasons out there which would make it in the government's interest to just subsidize the whole cost forever. Dunno how receptive they'd be to said arguments, but there'd be an argument to be had never the less.
i mean, i bet the government is already currently subsidizing petroleum to a tune a lot richer than £4 per tank*. If they paid £4 per tank for electric cars instead, they could still end up coming out infront, all the while having a society that pays nothing for fuel.
*just think of all the money we've all spent in middle eastern wars, in the name of oil.
You don't pay extra per se with the 85kWh models. It's included in the price. On 60kWh models, it's a $2500 option.
World-wide, free, forever.
Esa Edvik
$2,000 with purchase, $2500 retrofit.
As always a great video; very interesting!
If I had the money I'd but one tomorrow. I have never coveted a car so much!
I've just come across these fully charged videos (I'm from Argentina and had no idea such a show like Fully Charged existed) and I am in awe by all the input I'm getting from this technology. Still, something concerns me about it: here in my country electricity is natural gas generated; a very small amount comes from hydro-electric plants. I could catcth the windmills at the sides of the roads there in the UK; however, are the windmills enough? Meaning, if a big percentage of electricity is still natural gas (or other fossiles) generated, wouldn't it be still necessary to import gas either from Russia or the Gulf countries?
Thx in advanced.
Cheers!
can't believe i missed seeing this car in Scotland.
Very nice show, and cool car!
Very good video
The only gotcha at the moment is that even though the electricity is inexpensive, the wear and tear on the battery costs more than the fuel would have cost.
Hopefully the gigafactory will reduce the cost of the batteries and this will no longer be so.
BooBaddyBig This is such a common assumption but it's not based on an actual fact or experience.
My car, a Nissan Leaf, has covered 42,352 miles and when the battery was tested in May this year, it was at 97.2% of its original capacity. So, after 84,000 miles it'll probably be at around 94%.
A Tesla driver in the USA has already done over 100,000 miles in his car and the battery is still perfectly healthy. He's saved 10's of thousands on fuel.
Add to this the actual cost of a new battery, the Nissan Leaf replacement battery is already under £5,000 and it will only get cheaper.
It's impossible to say yet exactly how long the batteries will last but all the indications are they will outlast the car. So it's simply not true, the 'wear and tear' on the batteries is minimal and will never cost more than fossil fuels would have cost.
Sorry to burst your ill informed confidence bubble. :-)
fullychargedshow OK, having traced it back, it turns out I'm slightly behind on the news, the battery price has recently dropped, and that makes it no longer true.
But it used to be, and not that long ago.
That's very good news then.
fullychargedshow
Not to mention that petrol cars don't maintain their original range either. Wear and tear on the engine and what not :D
As usual, awesome.
Tesla's superchargers are free because the cost of around $2,000 is built into the purchase price of the vehicle. Since customers pre-pay the system is indeed sustainable and the company has the capital to build out the network.
More on big six pushed out of best but tables please.
Superchargers aren't free...price is just paid up front included in new car cost. $2,500 is cost of supercharging in car price
Nice video
The model S is a large car, but ironically that is good - because longer liftback vehicles are more aerodynamic at high speeds. The Leaf is smaller/lighter but less aerodynamic so it has better efficiency in urban/suburban driving, but on the highway its efficiency is about the same as the Model S.
Something new! Man, this is some addiction.
There's a tesla charging station down the street from my house :D
*tesla model 3 here i come!*
6:13 I think this just highlights the problems atm.
To get an electric car which provides the demands of most people, you need to be pretty rich!
I heard a rumor that the cost for Tesla to add "Superchargers" is added to the price of each car that they sell. I think I heard something about it being around £ 2000.. Still, just a rumor.
By the way, you should check out Bjørn Nylands channel. I don't know how to link such things here on youtube so you'll have to do a manual search ;)
He's a Tesla Model S owner who do tests and amazing road trips in his car.
It is not a rumor. That is the price to access the supercharger network if you only got a 60KWh battery. And it is certainly part of the price difference to the 85KWh battery. They have to take the money from somewhere after all. A new supercharger station costs around $150k to install. Plus the energy from renewables (solar, wind) costs basically the initial capital cost, so that makes a pay-upfront model like that viable for tesla.
The £2000 fee is if you buy the lower end models.
Where's Terry Pratchett?
It's 2014, why are you still using miles ?
great video. so much sun where I live, wish I could afford solar panels ev and water and had somewhere to put them in my flat!
Rob very good video of the model s electric vehicle in england I like seeing more from you send more videos okay rob
I have had my leaf a few months now and the only question I can't answer is whether Lithium is a. Extremely environmentally destructive to mine. B. There's only a finite amount of it. Any ideas Robert?
Ryan Noble Like all raw materials, Lithium is damaging to extract. Of course there are environmental costs, the big difference is that once you've extracted it, the Lithium has a very long working life, after which 100% can be re-used. You can't really say the same for fossil fuels. At the point an electric car comes off the production line, it's environmental impact is just as great as for a traditional car, however, from that moment on it's impact reduces, whereas a traditional car just gets worse and worse.
fullychargedshow thanks. I can use that, now I just need a retort for the people that refuse to listen to reason.
Gasoline / petrol is far more environmentally destructive/toxic/environmentally damaging than the extremely small amount of lithium that goes into EV batteries. And there's also a finite amount of fossil fuels left as well, however an EV only needs lithium once, not every time you need to refuel. And it's really a pretty small amount that actually goes into batteries anyway. And as Robert says, it is highly recyclable should world supplies ever diminish.
fullychargedshow I saw your previous video which said that it uses lots of electricity to actually refine the oil in the first place and get the petrol. Do you think that the electrical energy required to produce say, a liter of fuel, is comparable to the energy input into an electric car, to receive the same amount of miles as a liter of fuel? In other words, if we all switched to electric vehicles, to what extent would we be just 'cutting out the middle man' by not needing petrol? I guess my question could be put more simply, how much electricity is required to refine one liter of fuel?
The lithium content of a li-ion battery is only about 1% of its weight. There is one lake in Bolivia alone with 1000 years supply. It's not particularly toxic and is easy to recycle out of spent cells by simple school-boy chemistry. In a few years, new batteries will appear using cheaper materials, like graphene [or charcoal from cotton] with frightening capacities to rival even petrol [or TNT] in kwh/kg Currently, newer designs of li-ion cell will outlive most of the running gear in better designs, like the one yon hoppin' presenter is driving
Awesome episode.
Question though, why the heck do you guys always say miles? I'm from Canada and we almost never measure in miles, I am always confused with UK car reviews and videos.
Because we use a bizarre mixture of metric and imperial units. It's stupid, don't ask :P
Because the metric system blows.
For some reason, distance and speed here are always in imperial. It's a bit weird, I know.
It stops and it goes. It's a car!
Looks like it's a 5 door hatch, so an Audi A7 is it's nearest rival in size etc ?? !!
I think they should have an option for a smaller screen too or have a detachable iPad and a Rear Wiper on the Rear Hatch for British Weather conditions etc and possibly in future an AWD option too. Electricity powering all four wheels ?? !!
Good for rich early adopters only right now, but hopefully by the 3rd or 4th Generation it will make more sense i.e. cheaper more efficient battery technology and better range / charging options etc..
They also need a Tesla Golf sized model for the Real World etc
So sadly I'd have to choose a Diesel A7 quattro for now, but in the future who knows !!!
How much does it cost ?? Is a BMW i8 a more realistic option than this or than your Nissan Leaf a BMW i3 with the motorcycle engine on-board electric generator ?? !!
Are you aware Tesla will have fitted a monitor to assess your driving? To his shock, a New York Post reporter, non motoring, discovered this after a negative report on the car. Tesla were able to provide details of his driving. The car is amazing as I tested same in Boca Raton in the summer, while on vacation from Scotland. I have a Lexus GS450h.
Individual car data is kept only for special cases, like when a duplicitous reporter starts concocting calumnies.
Fantastic episode, thank you. Hope you can negotiate getting the tesla with your wife. Cheers.
Thanks for new video.
Telsa S models are rich folks.
Interesting how you make a statement for all Model S owners without even knowing all of them. Maybe some of the not so rich folks made some calculations and decided that in the long term they will be better of with a Tesla even if it is a high initial cost. Have you thought about that?
d1oftwins I said Model S not Model T.
Henry Ford's vision is a bit different than Elon's.
Joseph Dubeau
And what has your answer to do with what I've said? Are you trying to be sarcastic or do you want to confuse me?
d1oftwins I don't want to argue.
I enjoy the show. I'm a fan of Telsa and very concern with our planet.
But, I'll never be able to afford a Model S.
I see few Model S everyday in Sherman Oaks.
It's a great car.
Joseph Dubeau
Okay.
"It's much too big for me ..." Remind me what you drive at the moment, Robert?
11 dislikes to this video!!???
I think a few oil companies have created some google accounts lol :P
+Oz Ants ...naw, probably just us Americans from south of the Mason Dixon line!
i am in Australia and I am seeing if I can get to some of my retirement funds to buy a tesla S as well but so far I am not permitted to attack my savings.
The GFC had it not happened would have seen me be able to afford 3 or 4 of the tesla S cars with what I lost from the GFC :(
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Yay for Simon Hacket...
RAdelaide Represent!
(No relation to Steve Hacket - ex. Genesis) ;)
Make a tesla cargo van. Trades/Couriers would love it. Majority of our work is in the city.
69mph.... Nioce.
Elon Musk said that the supercharges will be free forever. That is as long as you have the top tier models. So if you buy the lower end model, you will have to pay a one-off £2000 fee if you want to use them forever. Or you can just not use them.
iOS Gamer But if you live in Europe, even in the countries where there isn't a showroom or Supercharger, like Turkey, Tesla enables the Superchargers for 24, 48 or 72 hours for *free* as well so you can drive it home
Another great episode, thanks Robert. I love the vision of the tesla, in theory. The more I think about it though the more I see a future of everyone trying to drive everywhere for very little cost. Millions of people stuck in metal boxes all day on roads 15 lanes wide. The motorcar does seem to be a drug that gives us the illusion of freedom and a sense of fulfilment that in reality does not offer long term happiness for mankind.
So maybe the most unsustainable aspect of the motorcar is far from it's environmental impact but more a social one. We as animal never evolved to travel everywhere in machines, It's just another aspect of modern life that detaches us from the real beings we are.
I'm fascinated by Elon Musk vision, how he wants to make a positive impact on humanity and leave his mark. Because his mind is so focused on the technical challenges I thinking he is missing the bigger picture. The best thing for humanity would be to reduce how much we use vehicles as personal transportation and become better connected the people and environment around us.
This is not to put a downer on the Model S as all the Tesla Motors team seem to have created a brilliant machine that seems to have broken the rules on what a car company can do. I hope none of the their less efficient workforce get laid off at very short notice any time soon.
Foolish. People drive long distances 5% of the time, 30% of total mileage.
Try even shopping for groceries for a family using public transport.
Well put, Jevon. What was the society end environment like before the car was invented? From what I've learned housing for the workers was offered by the factory. Naturally in walking distance from the factory. Therefore the workers had to spend their spare time in the same dirty environment that they had to endure at work. I don't think I want to go back in time.
Today our societey is divided into living areas and industrial areas and us workers can breathe relatively clean air on our spare time.
You cliam that super charging is free while you pay for about 50k miles in advance when you get the Supercharger Enabled perk.
Not long ago mobile phones were big and only for the rich, now everyone has an iphone that fits in their pocket. I hope it's the same for EVs.
5:00 minutes in and you haven`t said ANYTHING about which of the Model S` you`re driving..... They`re worlds apart,the 60 and 85kw battery packs and ppl should know this if this is a car review
Electricity may be cheap now but who knows in the future whether companies would jack up their prices because more and more people start to drive EVs.
Time to try scratch cards?! Looked into finance for a £60k model S: offered @ £1200 per month for five years. I sort of hope they depreciate at the normal rate so that I can get one in a few years. My Ampera's value is almost half the initial cost after 18 months...
Model X is coming out soon. I'm saving money for the Model III $35000 200 miles range. 8 years full replacement warranty unlimited mile. which car company offer this for their powertrain? only Tesla. it is totally a 3 series killer.
Please, use microphones on your chests, because when you use microphones on cameras, I hardly understanding what are you talking about.
Use KILOMETERS !!! ffs the year is 2014 not 1614
tbyte I'm amused that something as mundane as the use of miles or kilometers could make anyone that angry.
I do, however generally agree, but the car measures range, speed and distance covered in miles.
I'm sure it's possible to change that in the settings so it reads all that in kilometers, however all road signs in the UK still measure distance in miles so I would suggest we are in a transitionary phase.
fullychargedshow It does. Especially after the 9th time I had try to calculate how much kilometers are the miles you just said while trying to listen what your are saying next. It gets really frustrating really fast (for like 90% of the world ?) and especially when You know that the imperial system is less than useless (you can't just divide/multiply by 1000 and get the lower/higher metric) ;) . And I hate your sinks with two separate faucets too !!! now that's something really stupid :P
tbyte You should respect their backward culture, you metric imperialist!
tbyte
We use a bizarre mixture of metric and imperial units in the UK. Fuel is sold in litres but fuel economy is in miles per gallon. Road weight limit signs are in metric tonnes but distances and speeds are imperial. Pints are used for selling milk and beer, but litres are used for other drinks. Ordnance survey maps (for walkers, hikers etc) have km squares on them, but distances on the ground are in miles. Timber is sold in my local garden centre as the height and width in inches and the length in metres (e.g. 2x2 inches by 4.8 metres). Seriously, don't ask :P
You Units fascist!. Try being a pilot. The speeds in knots, the heights in feet and the fuel is in Lbs, litres or gallons (US and Imperial) One HS748 I once flew had the left wing tank in Lbs and the right wing tank in Litres.
This video has inaccurate information and gives a bad opinion.
Elon Musk has stated that the reason why Tesla offers free electricity for the vehicle is because the cost for electricity is included within the purchase price of the vehicle.
Elon Musk has also stated that the electricity will be free in the long term because they will create small solar powered generators at each Tesla charging location therefore creating free electricity.
The content is great, but the sound quality is terrible. A youTube channel of such calliper certainly deserves a better miking techniques and at least one clip on microphone.
Let the sheep remain ignorant so we can benefit from them please :)
+Andrew Bryant pianotunerbristol Put the planet ahead of your wallet!
There's no such thing as free electricity, those really cleaver people turning the knobs don't generate electricity for free.
Horrible parking job sir. Horrible :D
bla bla bla what a waist of camera….nothing about the car all about him...