Excellent speech from Christopher Hitchens. The courage to speak out against religious madness. For centuries all religions of this world have brought suffering on humans.
Courage? Hitchens always preaches to friendly audiences. He preaches the religion of this world to the vast majority of this world. The overwhelming majority, from the unwashed ignorant to the effete of the atheist snobs, accept him as a high priest of atheism. He fortifies their fervent hope that they won't have to account to God for how they have lived their lives. No, you have it completely backwards. It takes courage to expose what an unscientific hoax evolution is, to demonstrate that evolution has no cause and effect basis as all things scientific must, to point out that there cannot be "natural selection" of things that don't exist. No, on the contrary, it takes courage to show atheists who violently resist the unwelcome truth that evolution is the religion of the blindly irrational. To attempt to show the truth to an evolutionist is like addressing a rabid lynch mob with a blood lust. Hitchens always had a friendly audience where ever he preached, because Christians are commanded to argue fact, not lynch. Evolutionists on the other hand are not constrained by ethics - murdering, lying, cheating, stealing, whatever helps you survive while others unaided die - is condoned by atheism.
David Parker There has never been any sign, throughout history, of any great god looking after everyone. It's all the same boring banal teachings of religious bumpkins trying to get rich off of deluded flocks who want to believe in something.
David Parker Aaaaah Shaddaup. You don't know what you're on about, you stupid git. And, before you start whining that I didn't address you're points, you've written nothing that you didn't pull from deep in the recesses of your posterior and which requires any sort of thoughtful response. To suggest that Hitchen's only spoke before friendly crowds is utter rubbish. He spent the last couple of years of his life deliberately seeking out believers and debating the best and brightest of them... If one can use the terms "best and brightest" to describe religious apologists. That you lie so freely about the basis and nature of the Theory of Evolution and what does or does not constrain atheists is ample evidence of how completely devoid of any ethical constraints you yourself are. You're nothing but a brain washed minion of superstitious zealots, devoid of any intellect, morality and shame. And, you're LOSING the debate. Suck on that before you do us all a big favor and drop dead.
"that after having seen the sort of people they attracted in the comments section as supporters, I was rather glad I was not, as it were 'on their side'." God forbid that you should be offended in a world so completely absent of religious nutcases.
So sorry you never heard a good teacher. There is no excuse, however, for not reading what they had to say. The problem with evolutionists is their ignorance. Except for a very few, Dawkins comes to mind, none are aware of just what it is they claim just popped into existence without any physical cause (to the abysmally ignorant, "chance" is not a force). If you want to pretend you are scientific, here are some scientists who argue from their scholarship in the physical sciences: Creation.com , ICR.org
You, of course, understand it all too well. 'The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.' - Bertrand Russel. Question everything!
AAH Replies I don't think the people who think the sacrifice is symbolic or allegorical are the folks we're worrying about. Your entire statement is nearly pointless. It's like when believers try to say that Jesus was being symbolic when he told followers to bring nonbelievers and kill them at his feet. That's all fine and dandy, but tell that to the people taking it literally and killing people because of it.
AAH Replies And not to mention the absolute laughability of saying that Hitchens appeals to those who "need things laid out for them." That's hilarious! I suppose you're also the believing type to say such gems as: "Atheism takes more faith than god" or "You can't be moral without god"... Seriously, what is scripture if it isn't a doctrine that lays out EVERYTHING for you?? This is beyond hypocrisy...
Yes. Everyone who agreed to attack the people of Iraq is a murderer at heart. Of all the peoples to attack, Saddam Hussein and his Ba'ath party were the most dedicated enemies of the Taliban and Al Queda. It is analogous to the US attacking China after Pearl Harbor.
@@JPX7NGD If that were true, you wouldn't be here talking about him thirteen years after he passed away. Go back to your book with a talking bush in it, the adults are typing here.
Actually what we need are people that will listen to these ideas and be smart enough to understand them. Most of the people in the world today are capable of neither.
Unless Hitch had serious turn about with God, he is screaming in hell right now, regretting every foolish word that he uttered. God is good; Hitch was not! Christ died on a Cross so that we may know Him. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
People go to church for the same reasons they go to a tavern: to stupefy themselves, to forget their misery, to imagine themselves, for a few minutes anyway, free and happy - Mikhail Bakunin.
Your comment is akin to what the Communists said about religion (and one of the relatively few things it got right): religion is an opiate for the masses. Some people use drugs and alcohol to try and escape from their earthly problems - others delude and brainwash themselves with religion. They believe in an invisible man in the sky who listens to your prayers and is actively involved in the affairs of mankind.
Such eloquence and imagery, I am impressed. May I offer one of my own in exchange! Prayer: - self-medicating delusional tranquilizer (Category Placebo )
+SeriouslyNotNormal --- That was true with me too. I'd bet for most of us. This quote is so true: “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
Then you were never a Christian. 1 John 2: 18-19 "Little children, it is the last time, and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now there are many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they should have continued with us. But this cometh to pass, that it might appear, that they are not all of us."
@Daniel De saint malo Ask your church to open the books and see how much is going to charity and the upkeep of the Church and how much goes to enriching the church leadership. Go on I dare you.
@Daniel De saint malo Well if you want to contribute to events run by corrupt people that's your business. Personally, I think you are morally bankrupt to support those people. And what about politicians. For starters I don't choose to pay tax I'm required to by law and I buy nothing from politicians during elections, money does not change hands. So you are talking absolute rubbish. And really politicians are bad so that makes you giving money to your corrupt church ok? Wow, you really have no moral compass, do you.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth - Mikhail Bakunin.
"Compulsory love is another sickly element of Christianity" - classic Hitchens (I miss the guy). In one stroke he adds a little of Old Testament eye-for-an-eye to his acceptance of innate morality and thoroughly rejects forgiveness. Rejects the two seminal catholic doctrines in one sentence: love your neighbor as yourself and that forgiveness is better.
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_Compulsory love is another sickly element of Christianity" - classic Hitchens_ No, just nicked from Nietzsche. Nothing Hitch said was original or right.
I cannot walk on water. I suspect you can't either. In novels, however, anything is possible,. Dead people can rise up out of their graves. People can ride dinosaurs.
And yet they were healthier than we are today. Them lived under conditions that would kill most of the people in the civilized world today. No dead people ever rose up out of their graves: They were raised at the command of God. Only Fred Flintstone and Barney rode dinosaurs. Mankind was created the same day as the land animals which included the dinosaurs. Adam, Eve, and all animals in the land and sea ate plants: There was no death until Adam intentionally and directly sinned against God.
@hatter00 Look in the mirror to see an idiot. It is rare that anyone lives to be 100 these days. Yet is was common for people to live hundreds of years before the flood of Noah's day, Methuselah holding the record at 969. It amazes me how you can believe in evolution - everything (the universe and all living things) - coming from nothing with no cause or purpose. Right. Yet another indoctrinated person.
@@JR-st3mp Genesis 5 "1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 ¶And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. 6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: * 7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died. 9 ¶And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: * 10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died. 12 ¶And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel: * 13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died. 15 ¶And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: * 16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters: 17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died. 18 ¶And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died. 21 ¶And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: * 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. 25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech: 26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: * 27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. 28 ¶And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. * 30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: 31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth." Sounds pretty healthy to me and no Obamacare either.
@@DavidParker-cf2km You think because I'm an athiest that I like Obamacare? I don't. Obamacare was doomed to failure before it ever began. I don't like socialism either. I'm a capitalist businessman, and I don't believe in fairies, unicorns, or any religion, including Christianity. You don't have to be religious to believe in capitalism. I ask for proof and you read me scriptures. Useless. Professing to me that you believe what is written in the bible is true is only proof that you drink that particular KoolAid. Noah was 500 years old, eh? OK, prove it. If you provide bible verses as proof of your claims, then you are either brainwashed, ignorant, or crazy. Which is it?
@@mensetens6391 he literally didnt say that. What appalling misrepresentation expected of your kind. Tell me, in the same frame of fallacious logic of yours, that means you have a mentality of a one year old since most religious individuals are religious due to their upbringing? What ridiculous casuistry i say.
@@mensetens6391 No he is telling you that even as a teenager he has better critical thinking skills than you and other religious morons around the world
@@llamaliammm _Tell me, in the same frame of fallacious logic of yours, that means you have a mentality of a one year old since most religious individuals are religious due to their upbringing_ False Equivalence Fallacy. He said: _This is something I've realized since I was about 15_ Not something to boast about since teens are notorious for bad thinking. If he's still thinking that way, then he's still thinking like a 15-year-old. You, on the other hand, have nothing like that to quote from me. You have to invent a comparison, but did it badly since it makes no sense: _that means you have a mentality of a one year old since most religious individuals are religious due to their upbringing?_ Sorry? Did I say that? Did I mention an age? Did you even define 'religion'? No? then how do you know that we are talking about the same thing (hint: you don't)? 'Most people' leaves out some. What of those who became Christians as adults? Or those who became Christians from another religion: ua-cam.com/video/ckDwCuTFUGg/v-deo.html As it was, I was not raised a Christian, so your 'most people' fails the standard of fact. Sorry, your comparison was weak and mentally flatulent. _What ridiculous casuistry i say_ Then you are wrong again. Better casuistry than your stupidity, but not casuistry, either.
Do you know that, if you buy a calendar in Italy, for every day of the year there is a name that happens to be a saint...like, Saint Mark, Saint Simon, etc.. how all this names just happens to be Saint ? 355 + of them ?? what they have done to be Saint ? Christianity is a joke !!
@@ingriddubbel8468 I guess that two with the same name can't be put on a calendar....first in , first served...but i think it's a joke the fact that, a few cardinals " decide " on who can become " saint "... suddenly a halo appears on the head of George....now St. George, what a lot of BS !
Morality is an objective criterion for judging whether an action is right and wrong. If there is not a transcendent (i.e. God) source of morality, there is no objective morality. If there is no objective morality, there is no positive law. If there is no positive law, there is no civilization.
@6.25 "What is it like - I've never tried it, I've never been a cleric - what is it like, to LIE to children for a living and tell them that they have an authority that they MUST love! Compulsory love - what a GROTESQUE idea - and be TERRIFIED, all at the same time. What is it like, I'd like to know. " BRILLIANT , just brilliant. And terrifyingly real.
all possible 6 types of unforgivably blaspheming: 1) Despair of salvation 2) Presumption of God’s mercy 3) To impugn the known truth 4) Envy of another’s spiritual good 5) Obstinacy in sin 6) Final impenitence
All of the arguments for religion in these posts would have gone up in flames had the writers attempted the same BS debating him. You all sound the same and your justifications are quite literally flawed beyond reason.
ua-cam.com/video/BqHrpBPdtSI/v-deo.html not all scientists agree with materialism.. don't believe every thing All scientists claim to have proof or no proof of . I was born into a cult religion. Didn't stop me from wanting to know what is the truth
Hitchens was awesome. He was a joy to watch debate and destroy all religious apologists that were foolish enough to take him on. You are greatly missed Hitch, the world is a less colourful place without you in it!
This video should be shown in schools..IF ANY RELIGION IS TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS..THIS BRILLIANT PIECE OF LOGICAL SPEAKING BY HITCHENS...PROVES..ALL GODS ARE MAN MADE MYTHS AND ALL RELIGION IS FASCISM.
I did that. No you go look up how many people died because of King Richard I. And then look up how many people died because of Benjamin Netanyahu. Then look up how many people died because of EVERY CHRISTIAN American president in the last 60 years. If you're going to cherry-pick, we can all come up with multiple examples of genocides by leaders of EACH religion.
@@michaellawlor5625 being a christian and or swallowing the mythical kool aid does not necessarily make you moral or bring one morality. My very own grandfather was the perfect example of this. A man of high morals and integrity as well, that was the "oak tree" of our family. I find your statement ignorant, judgemental and totally lacking truth.
@Marxine St.Arline okay I'll think about it. How did the teachings of the bible teach me the immorality of the bible? I'm opposed to slavery, genocide, and feel females deserve to be treated better then livestock. I assume we both hold these things to be moral, but neither of us arrived at this biblically. Also a side note of China abolishing slavery before Christianity doing so.
Too bad he cannot tell you what he cannot now deny. But, as Jesus said, even if one came back from the dead, Hitchens would not believe - and neither can you.
@@DavidParker-cf2km and why should we think any of this is real? Have you actual evidence of heaven or hell? the bible is just another collection of myths, fabels and stories like any other "holy book"
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” ..... Mark Twain.
@Sticky Steve Hatred? The guy was vile, what are you talking about. And to the other idiot drinking and watching videos, pull up the Hitchens, George Galloway debate. A Hitch fan would need to be drunk watching that.
@@ericday4505 yes stupid; hatred. You hoped someone watching would become an alcoholic because you "don't like the guy he's watching". Your sad attempt of innocence isn't helping either. If you're just looking for someone to insult you to think you've proven anything I'd be happy to call you a Dipshit
'i' missing from Christopher's name in the title :P Love this gentleman. It put a fracture in the world that this wonderful man was lost early to cancer. A mind a man, an intellect, an honesty, a rationality, a logic, a beautiful orator all in one.
@@kawasakiwhiptwo5821 Oh, I am so relieved, Not many people can take poison like this and do not get sick.. unless they are on it all the time and do not know otherwise..
@@kawasakiwhiptwo5821 Exactly what I wrote: "do not know otherwise?". Any real effort on your side to understand the topics Mr.Hitch. addressed in his propaganda...
Damn I wish I could express myself like that man. When somebody questions my atheism I don’t even bother to try. I just say Google Christopher Hitchins. I don’t seem to be able to say more than that I think all religion is horseshit. I miss him.
+MIKE MCGILL not 100% right mike, i was deeply religious at one time in my life but things changed over a period of years,. we're all born without a belief in gods, some of us are lured into the religious traps forever, ''but some manage to escape into reality''..
+Pat Brennan I was deeply religious too for a time in my life and back then my problem wasn't that I didn't understand logic. My problem was that I didn't want to hear it if it conflicted with my faith, I ignored it and instead found a passage in the Bible that would reassure me in my faith. So yeah, logic doesn't resonate well with religious people...I know first hand.
Christians refined Greek logic. Greg Bahnsen had a perfect understanding and grasp of logic. Hitchens would never debate Bahnsen. Stein did. That debate with Stein is on UA-cam somewhere. Meanwhile, learn: ua-cam.com/video/zRq6qKp78W8/v-deo.html
Christians accept and develop logic. Science and logic are part of Christianity. Cause and effect, the very basis of science, are Christian concepts as is the notion that what we do today can benefit future generations.
Christians absolutely do understand logic and argue logically. Strict use of logic is part of Christian doctrine. We absolutely believe in cause and effect, the foundation of scientific research. On the other hand, you could not possibly have won a debate with RC Sproul or Greg Bahnsen. You could not possibly win a debate Ravi Zacharias. Christopher Hitchens and Dawkins cannot win a debate with a Christian theologian, because the atheist position is inherently irrational and illogical. You start off with an incoherent argument and all we have to do is expose your lack of logical consistency.
If Christianity is to be believed, I should be OK if I died and stood before God, and at that point accept God. If that is not the case, I would like to know why that is so.
He is so wonderfully incoherent in his thinking it is a swell to watch. By his own argument he claims those guys to be primitive goat herders thus one would have to conclude that they needed to be told how to breathe, but then one should not instruct them on what is right or wrong as they already knew.
NONSENSE! This individual really does not know, that THE BIBLE says: CHRIST came to save HIS people from their sins, NOT all people. Most were predestinated to perish.
Ronnie Houser The info I provide is BIBLICAL. Matt 1:21 21 She will give birth to a son. You will name him Jesus.[b] Give him that name because he will save his people from their sins.” Rom. 9:27 27 And Isaiah cries out about Israel: “There are so many people of Israel, they are like the grains of sand by the sea. But only a few of them will be saved. 28 Yes, the Lord will quickly finish judging the people on the earth.” Rom 11:5 5 It is the same now. God has chosen a few people by his grace. 6 And if he chose them by grace, then it is not what they have done that made them his people. If they could be made his people by what they did, his gift of grace would not really be a gift. Is. 10:22 22 Israel, your people are as many as the sands of the sea, but only a few of them will be left to come back to God. But before that happens, your country will be destroyed. God has announced that he will destroy the land. And then justice will come into the land like a river flowing full. 23 The Lord God All-Powerful really will destroy this land.
His people? What you mean the Hebrew? Because in the old Testament God seem to care only about the Hebrew!! If you like you can insult your self by assuming that people need to care what Hebrew mythology apply to us. But live us out of it…We are not Hebrew. Nobody cares what the bible says. The bible also says that we should eat shit and should stone to death homosexuals.
HERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US - About Morality. Please cite the passages that promote morality. Don't forget the quiz at the end. 1. You can own slaves. You can buy and sell slaves. You can even sell your own daughter (Exodus 21:7-10). If she fails to please her master, you must refund him the purchase price.. 2. You can beat the living shit out of your slaves without being punished, as long as they do not die within two days (Exodus 20:20-21). Under what standards of morality is it ever okay to beat another human being like that and not suffer any consequences? It is reassuring the bible endorses property rights, but a source of morality it is not. 3. The bible not only condones slavery but sets prices for them (Leviticus 27:3-7). The bible obviously was concerned about human traffickers getting a fair price for their goods. 4. Surely Jesus had compassion towards slaves. He tells slaves to be obedient and subservient. That is why slave owners in the Americas pushed Christianity onto their slaves and punished those caught practicing their ancient religions.. Very reassuring. Accorging to Jesus, it was okay to beat slaves, those who unwittingly made mistakes were to be given few lashes, those who knowingly violated rules were to be given many lashes. Ownership rights, you know. 5. Thou shalt not kill. Now THERE is a good one. However, it seems there are exceptions: No sooner had Moses returned from his first trip up the mountains to find a party to which he had not been invited, in a fit of rage he orders his Levite goon squad to kill "every man his brother, and every man his friend and every man his neighbor." Exodus 32:28 "The Levites did as Moses commanded and that day about 3000 of the people died." 'Tough Love' maybe? 6. But there are others. The bible requires the faithful to put to death by stoning; Adulterers (Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Leviticus 20:10); Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13), Non virgins (Deuteronomy 22:20-21), any of your neighbors foolish enough to mow their lawn on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15,Exodus 35:1-3,Numbers 15:32-36). 7. Oh, and speaking of rape, surely that ranks high on the ‘Thou shalt nots’ of the ten commandments. NO??? It is not even mentioned??? An oversight perhaps? But then it was so important to forbid mixing fabrics or cooking a kid in its mother's milk (so important that it needed to be repeated three times) and such. Take a look at these REALLY important commandments (there are different versions within the bible). Thou shalt not: Worship other gods Work on the Sabbath (death penalty crime) Take the name of the lord in vain (OMG, ANOTHER capital crime) Make graven images Covet thy neighbor’s wife or house or ass And, oh yes, ‘thou shalt not kill’ and ‘thou shalt not steal’ are in there somewhere near the bottom. But rape? Not one word!!! How about elsewhere in the bible? Surely somewhere the bible must condemn rape, no? Oh, yes, here; Deuteronomy 22:28-29 28 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" *YESSS! There it is. Rape is a PROPERTY crime*. The rapist has damaged the father’s PROPERTY and it is he that must be compensated. What justice for the victim of the rape? She has to marry her rapist. Surely she lived happily ever after, no? And what if they were not discovered and the girl kept quiet out of fear? The bible is quite clear about the fate of girls who are not virgins on their wedding day. Here, as elsewhere in the bible, women are chattel and have no say in their future. It is interesting to note that, while the bible mandates death by stoning for adulterers and non virgin brides, raping an unbethrothed virgin incurred only a monetary penalty. This is biblical justice? 8. The bible endorses mass murder and sex slavery. Numbers 31:14-18 "14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle. 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31:35 - "And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him." THIRTY TWO THOUSAND VIRGINS being divided up to be used by “god’s chosen people” at the same time their mothers and brothers by the tens of thousands were being slaughtered like animals. Many of those women would have been pregnant, their unborn fetus dying inside them. And what would have been the crime of young boys of whatever age? 2? 4? 10? There was no distinction about age. This is GENOCIDE, condemned by civilized nations of the world. If you fail to feel a deep sense of moral outrage at this, how do you condemn ISIS for doing far less? Genocide in whatever form is an ugly stain on humanity. To claim it to be a moral act is the ultimate evil. Why then, should you regard the bible as a moral guide? Is ISIS any less evil? So what response do we hear from zealots? Shock? Horror? No! Their predicable response is indifference and a callous “They had it coming to them.” We have heard those words echoed by unrepentant Nazis and the barbaric ISIS. And how does that equate to morality? Are not empathy and compassion the cornerstones of morality? Where then is there any morality here? Perhaps it was just an oversight that the bible nowhere condemns slavery, or rape or molesting children, but yet it was so important to forbid mixing fabrics or cooking a kid in its mother's milk (so important that it needed to be repeated three times). What does that say about biblical priorities? If the bible is the source of your 'morality', call a mental health hotline, NOW.. God sends Abraham to murder his own son, clearly an immoral act. Abraham is perfectly willing to do so. And for this, the bible praises Abraham. To a rational person, morality is doing what's right, no matter what one is told. Biblical morality is doing what you are told no matter what. Although an angel was sent to 'stay Abraham's hand', no such courtesy was given Jephthah's daughter made into a burnt offering to the lord (Judges 11:29-40). That should be enough to turn anyone's stomach. And what of Jephthah? Was this murderer of an innocent child punished in any way? Was he condemned? NO. He is PRAISED. THE BIBLE TACITLY APPROVES OF HUMAN SACRIFICE. To suggest that morality stems from religion is not only wrong, it is frightening. You don't need religion to have morals. If you can't determine right from wrong, you lack empathy, not religion. And the bible has a special message for women: "STFU". We see at every turn they are denied the rights afforded to men; they were regarded as property, either of their father or their husband. It can be a source of pride for women that apparently not a single one of them participated in the writing of the bible. The rights that women have today were not granted them by the bible, they had to fight for them. The bible endorses misogyny. Some of the rules in the bible are downright strange. Take Leviticus 15:19- 24 for instance that forbids contact with a woman while she is "unclean" (during her period). I mean how is a guy to know? Surely it is impolite to ask. Donald Trump has a way of finding out, but I doubt the average guy could get away with it. Atheists have greater claim to morality than those who espouse religion. They are moral because it is the intelligent way to behave towards our fellow man, not out of expectation of reward or fear of punishment. If you are "moral" because of those constraints, you are a very dangerous person. Slavery still exists, but it has been made illegal in virtually every part of the world, NOT because of guidance from the bible, but because it was the right thing to do. Morality stems from empathy and concern for our fellow man. Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things; but for good people to do bad things, that takes religion. Dictators take control of a populace by instilling fear of punishment, how is religion any different than that? Mark Twain once said "It ain't the parts of the bible I don't understand that bother me, it's the parts I DO understand." Now the question: Do YOU understand why the bible is said to be the source of morality? Because I sure don't.
99.9% of the incarcerated in the US identify with a theology. Why because within their cult all they have to do is go to confession and their crime/ sin is forgiven. But in reality they've committed a crime against another citizen or government and have to pay their debt to society. And most likely a society they mostly don't care about because those citizens are in a different cult. So if the US which is the most religiously free country has 25% of the world's incarcerated and 99.9% of them identify with a religion what's that say about religion.
I remember being "Confirmed" into the Catholic Church but can never ever remember anyone asking ME whether I wanted to do it. I am now an avid Dawkins and Hitch advocate as we don't need to hang on to such lies which have been purported by the powers that be (other Men) for control over the masses. People are afraid of death and seem to think that believing this or that will somehow save them from nothingness. It is, as Hitch says, wishful thinking that we somehow continue. Now I can stand back and from a distance an see the wood for the trees and the truth. Religion is generally a lie, whichever one you choose.
QuantumPlater John 3:16 because it is a Man made control system. As far as I am concerned, people can believe in what they like as long as they do not force it on anyone else. The source of all evil is Religion as its used as an alibi for so many wrongs and tries to take credit for any rights that people do in this World. It never takes responsibility for its own Followers who commit "Sins" in its name. I could go on for hours telling you why but it is only the naive that believe.
@@Funkstar124 Do you believe that it is wrong for Christians to vote to promote their religious convictions or prohibit people from doing things that go against Christian morality? Because laws force people to do things or not do things.
QuantumPlater John 3:16 look. As I said, I have no problems with what people want to believe. In fact, New Testament Christianity is on the while promoting peace but it's got some pretty nasty bits still but not compared to Bible version 1:0 .Basically, without typing a very long response, Religion is unnecessary as right and wrong exists regardless of it being in existence. It's like some people have a skewed belief in right and wrong such as paedophile clergymen who are well aware of the teachings in the Bible but still ignore this to do what they want. So basically anyone Religious or not, will do what they want or what satisfies a need, however depraved. That being said, normal morality should be taught in schools from an early age up until leaving so the messages get ingrained. Religion, which is based on inaccuracy and quite often, fiction, is not necessary. And the fact that the Bible claims the Earth is 6000 years old is absolute rubbish. And also, 10,000 years before the birth of Christ, the Human race wasn't any less barbaric than it is now! So, again, Christianity, not required. Islam (a joke rip off of Judaism) unnecessary, and so on,...
@@Funkstar124 It sounds like you believe in objective morality (please correct me if that is not what you believe). Without God, where do you get your standard of objective morality?
Pascal's Wager, eh? If the wager was a valid argument, you'd have to pick the correct god to 'just believe in' out of millions, if not billions of gods that have been made up by humanity over its history. But that's exactly why the wager doesn't work. If we were to believe just in case there was a god, we'd still have a pathetically minuscule chance of picking the correct one.
Throughout the Trump Presidency it was common for detractors to point out that while Trump could enthrall and entertain his faithful in person, were one to read a transcript of his rally speeches, the were nearly unintelligible rambles. No audio, all gibberish. (Gibberish either way, but that's another discussion.) These Hitchens videos are similar in that if you read the preview closed captions they're nearly unintelligible rants. Remove the charisma along with the audio- gibberish. I loved Hitchens during the Bush years writing for the Atlantic, but loathe his forays into religion/anti-Christian polemic... only his faithful "get it," much like Trump. Another poster said he (the poster) didn't care for demagogues. Agreed.
Dr. Chuck Missler explains. Dr. Gene Kim. Amazing teachers. We have to explore all the sides and then make a decision. We have the side of astrophysicist science theology. They make great Arguments for proving this existence couldn't be by chance. Chuck Missler shows us that the world and everything in it has a specific number and a DNA it's magnificent and can only be from a creator. He didn't believe in God he studied codes for the government unscrambling problems and stumbled on God's masterpiece. Thank you very much for input. There's nothing more fascinating of a subject. And that's the beginning. The root of everything. Where did it come from? Why are we here? Where are we going? Very interesting. I don't believe in chance or coincidence because it's too much of animazement and the odds too many things are one in six billion. Exactly Missler explains. If you give him a an ear for a video you will see what I mean. I thought you would enjoy it.
Damn Hitch was a, no THE primary reason for me casting off the poison that is religion, (Catholicism for me) and becoming an atheist. Damn why did he have to leave so soon, he probably had another 15 years to live had he not drank and smoked himself to death. RIP Christopher. 😥
I was also born to the Catholic family and when was young considered it only as a nuisance. But still practiced what was expected though without any conviction. And then not to make it to o long... in the mid thirties slowly I started to see more an more elements coming together and adding sense to the whole puzzle. Now, many years later, it all makes a perfect sense to me. The process is similar to that of the Wheel of Fortune: where you take wrong guess you may end up bankrupt, you may guess at once, and you may loose or win just at the end of the long process of trials and errors... this is my encouragement to you not to write yourself off..yet. Mr Hitches talks a lot and takes very cheap shots.., misrepresents the idea and so on and on... He uses typical debate trick: creating a flood of the simple and tough questions and statements for which there are are only few short answers and rest requires quite a long explanation. In his monologues he works in the same way. Most people in the audience have no clue about the fact that those questions have answers and with mindless satisfaction follow the presenters line of thought. Mr Hitchens style represents the lowest of the lowest class - down to disgusting - just check of his opinion of Mother Theresa of Calcutta. GOD BLESS YOU
@@Matt6X I was born into it too, and believed it and loved it whole-heartedly because I was lead to and didn't know any better. But once I was able to question it soundly through doubt and skepticism I not only saw it as a nuisance I saw it as a poison in every aspect. I don't know what these "elements coming together and adding sense to the whole puzzle" in your late 30's means. Can you elaborate? What are these elements? What is this puzzle? Why did it only make sense in your 30's and not when you were younger? Does it still make sense now that you are older (I imagine past your 30's)? Your Wheel of Fortune analogy is not necessary, just call it for what IT is, you're using Pascal's Wager, which is completely ridiculous in and of itself. That argument is no encouragement to "write myself off yet" which I have BTW. You're right, Mr. Hitchens does talk a lot, but he does not make cheap points or misrepresent ideas, it's usually his opponents doing that. So I won't address your accusation of him using debate tricks as it will no doubt dissent into semantics of "he said she said." Lastly, I would say his opinion on Mother Teresa of Calcutta is, at its mildest, accurate. Not down and disgusting. She was very much a proponent of how religion makes normal, sane, and good people do and say abnormal, insane, evil things whether she was aware of it or not because the end result was the same.
@@vicquinonez1966 Thanks for at least being aware of the Pascal's Wager... and you obviously know that he was a genius.. so I would rather not comment on you statement. Just as a refresher I looked again at some of his videos..and I can only repeat what I said before: dangerous manipulator preying upon the ignorance of the young and ignorant , using the style and language well below any "public scientific debate" standards.. Just give you some hints by the example: He uses as the "heavy argument" against the Christian religion the "fact" that he has seen the icon with the Stalin somewhere in Russia today...and the fact that some other Greek Orthodox priest collected some money from him... Facts: The Orthodox Church was wiped out during Stalin. But to make a mockery of what was left of the Stalin and his red terror apparatus was forcing some priests to become their servants. The same trend continued during the communist regimes in every subjugated country - massive infiltration of hidden agents into the churches ranks. So, what has it to do with the real Church and its doctrine? not only ZERO but also shows the perversion of the Atheistic rule. Regarding his Greek priest - did he gave us any trustworthy details. .. "I am telling you so it is so"...Is he serious? are the listeners stupid? . Practically every opinion he expresses in most of his public appearances follow this pattern... If you like to see how people with a class stop him please look up his debate with prof.Lennox. So I guess , this is it for Mr.Hitch, the master of squabble and his "Hitchfarts". Regarding Mother Teresa before I comment I am very interested to know what you mean by saying "She was very much a proponent of how religion makes normal, sane, and good people do and say abnormal, insane, evil things whether she was aware of it or not because the end result was the same.?" Fundamentally if you do not accept that the life is a miracle you can say whatever you want using this logic. Today the same people fight for the animal rights and against the human right to live!. Perversion. Yet nobody knows how to create life. GOD BLESS YOU!
@@Matt6X Yeah I'm aware of Pascal and am aware he was a genius... for HIS TIME. We've evolved in all manners of society and knowledge since 1662. It's like saying, "You think you're smarter that Isaac Newton?" Of course I do, a modern basic education is far more comorehensive and bound to make you smarter than Newton ever was. Haha. So no, once again his argument doesn't impress me nor should it you. You haven't really been commenting, or answering, any of my comments or questions now that you mention it. Right the "WW 2 Dictator's Argument." You really gunna use that? First, I get it you're gunna keep saying he uses dirty tricks and is a rhetoric manipulator you've made that ear, no need to keep repeating it incessantly
@@vicquinonez1966 Intelligence and genius have nothing to do how educated you are and how much you know. Logic is not time dependent. Neither IQ. I think I was quite precise on how Mr.Hitchens invents his arguments. So I guess we are done with that subject?. Now again, I still do not understand a word from your statements about Mother Theresa and for that matter the last half of your last response. If it continues like this, then, with heavy heart (because I try to respect people) I will have to let you go my friend...Your choice... GOD BLESS YOU
"It undermines our integrity to live and witness in truth..." I love hitch and this is by far one of the most potent things he has ever said. Voltaire also said if you can convince people to believe in absurdities you can convince people to commit atrocities. Words for life.
@@jessebryant9233 Surely it goes without saying. No I dont believe in any Diety. We are all atheists, unless you believe in every God from every religion? Or do you just pick on to which is most convient or one that had been revealed to you in which ever culture you grew up in.
So you are an atheist? Then it goes without saying that your worldview is absurd! And no, one does not have to believe in more than one God to be a theist. Be serious. Besides, your god is Nature... and yourself... _Hey, are you a brain or do you use a brain to think?_ Sadly, you only believe what you believe because of the culture you grew up in. (Or at least, that's what YOU just said!) Hey, keep spouting your literally mindless dogmas! _Preach it Massarotti!_
Has hutchmes ever giving a speech about how the cult religions which is all religions and all who follow any religion --- had he ever talked about how they call anyone who cares about innocent children racist! It's insane this.. I see decade after decade this is their thing! I'd like to view it let me know if he has... Anyone! Please!
How are dogs such amazing creatures if they do not and cannot believe in Moses or Jesus or Muhammed or any of our Gods or their messengers. If dogs are better than humans in whose image were dogs made? Are dogs or cats sinful from birth too no matter how cute or adorable or soft or cuddly they are?
My family are Christians they do the whole thing church twice a week and i don't at ALL but they are good people they don't push their views they are just living. Hitch is my hero but these comments he wouldn't be proud
On what grounds can the naturalist say that anything is objectively immoral? I've never heard Hitchens answer this directly, he usually just dances around with his colorful, charismatic rhetoric (which I admit is thoroughly entertaining), but he never either rejects objective morality nor does he assert a transcendent foundation for it. Sam Harris changes the definition of good to mean well-being of a conscious creature in his "moral landscape", the problem being that the peaks of well-being can be inhabited by sadists as well as saints. Dawkins is the most honest, rejecting the existence of an objective morality (as the naturalist should), but that is just absurd in my opinion. Help me out on this one, I am genuinely curious and ignorant on this topic.
Your opening statement "The least religious countries on Earth also have the lowest levels of rape, murder, gun crime and teenage pregnancies." How can we verify this assertion? After we verify this, maybe we can move on to considering your other points
dylan mcphee Because PERSONAL responsibility is the foundation of all morals and ethics. Christianity negates this self-evident fact and is therefore immoral, as well as irrational and evil.
blueshirttail The whole Bible is about personal responsibility. Therefore you are ignorant, immoral, irrational and evil. Evolution doesn't care about any "responsibility" anyway.
The scapegoat was meant to be ridiculous but pathetically a symbol to the alternative which was immediate justice and destruction. Which means every time you yourself THINK, you'd have to be punished by absolute destruction for offending 100% purity and holiness. As it is, the scapegoat for the people was in duality, GRACE on display by The God who instituted it. But for this you'd have to have the humility to have the grace of God in order to even understand this theology. "Good IS mercy". :)
While I wholeheartedly agree with Hitchens’ claim that morality did not originate with religion, I don’t think he has proven his point here. He has merely given his own opinions - ones with which Christians (and Jews and Muslims) could quite easily disagree. I don’t think Mr. Hitchens understands very well what exactly it is that Christians believe.
Is it moral that I love my enemies? Love is demonstrated through works. Hitchens is trying to judge the works of God using broken human thinking. The death of Jesus Christ paid. The price for all our sins. Next thing: it is silly to think that the creator needs to get the permission and consultation of the creator. Hitchens never ever said anything that made any sense or showed his understanding of God or the Christian faith. He spent his whole life missing the point. What a waste.
How could any rational person possibly think that a god decided that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for being evil & immoral by breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules and created evil. Was to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ??????? ☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔 This has to be THE most illogical ideology imaginable, it fails on just about every conceivable level. But then again I supose that's to be expected when its origins lie in the myths , knowledge, and world views of superstitious, uneducated, primative, child sacrificing, tribesmen. But I digress, so anyway just who is it that gets punished for this "ORIGINAL SIN " ? Well that's really rather confusing isnt it, firstly the snake (supposedly the devil) gets punished by having to crawl on its belly for the rest of its days. EXCEPT that the devil is later frequently discribed as "walking around " (an incredible achievement for a paraplegic) indeed he has no problem whatsoever scaling "unusually high mountains" demonstrating skills that would make a Nepalese sherpa green with envy 🤢🤢🤔 Then adam and eve lose their eternal life, except that if they were already eternal why did god also put a tree of eternal life in the garden and ban them from eating from it ?? 🤔🤔 Then of course we have Adam's decendants being punished for it, which seems highly illogical & imoral to me. 🤔 But to be fair the bible seems a little confused on the matter also 👇👇👇👇 The Lord...visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7 = Deuteronomy 5:8-10) ............................vrs.................. The son shall *not* suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. (Ezekiel 18:20, cf. Jeremiah 31:30) You know to me that whole original sin biblical narative ( forbidden fruit ect ) seems analogous to me putting a loaded shotgun in a toddlers cot telling them not to touch it, and then being surprised when I hear a *BANG* 💥 and I'm not even omniscient 🤣😅🤣😅 But does this vicarious redemption ( scapegoating) solve the problem and lead to a just and moral solution ?? Well imagine a girl gets raped, they catch the rapist and he gets found guilty in court. The judge sentences him to life, but then says to him "dont worry I will serve your sentence for you" Has the rapist recieved "JUSTICE" ?? Has the raped girl received "JUSTICE" ?? Of course not yet that is precisely what happens under the Christian vicarious redemption (scapegoating) nonsense ideology 🤬🤬 Infact it's an actual Tennant of christianity that even a child murder can be forgiven and go to heaven, if they but repent and believe. 🤮🤮 Your god CANNOT be both perfectly just and perfectly merciful. Mercy is by definition a suspension of justice.
I think it is due to too many "thumbs down". It has not been removed at all, I just re-read it. It happens to me sometimes when I post under a superstitious/fantasy clip.
Studies have shown animals have some sense of right and wrong and they can't read (the bible) so doesn't that mean you don't need a book (which was written thousands of years ago) to get your morals from? It really does come down to just a few words, do to others as you would be like to done by. It's not rocket science. Oh, and try and be nice.
What "Studies have shown animals have some sense of right and wrong"? If such were possible, that would only be an additional argument for creation. However, you are just blathering because there is no "sense of right and wrong" and indeed no right and wrong, no good and evil, absent God saying so. The golden rule is the second part. It goes like this: "Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment and the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Oh, and try to be nice. That means obeying God.
First off, there are no "studies" that show "animals have some sense of right and wrong". Animals can be trained and so can people. Second, IF animals had some sense of right and wrong, it would be because God created them with that sense because that "sense" is counter to godless evolution. The concept of good and evil is completely against the "law of the jungle", "natural selection", "survival of the fittest", and whatever other claptrap evolutionists will invent as they beat the dead horse of evolution in their quest to disprove the very God who made them. As you consistently fail to understand, right and wrong, good and evil, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, humane and inhuman, etc., are uniquely Christian concepts. Only God can declare with is good and what is right and what is just. God created man last and in the image and likeness of God. God gave this status to mankind, not to the animals. Mankind was given dominion over the whole earth including the animals with the responsibility to dress and keep it - be a good steward.
The work of Frans de Waal amongst others does tend to show that moral sense - e.g. fairness, cooperation is exhibited by nonhuman animals. There is a good case for saying this is the basis for morality iin all species.
Morality is innate. As I and many others are a decent example of. I am sad ... I really am, that you feel it isn't the same for you. It's sorrowful to me that someone only has morals, or wishes to do "right" or "be good" when an authority figure is watching. I don't know what else to say to you. :(
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Excellent speech from Christopher Hitchens. The courage to speak out against religious madness. For centuries all religions of this world have brought suffering on humans.
Courage?
Hitchens always preaches to friendly audiences. He preaches the religion of this world to the vast majority of this world. The overwhelming majority, from the unwashed ignorant to the effete of the atheist snobs, accept him as a high priest of atheism. He fortifies their fervent hope that they won't have to account to God for how they have lived their lives.
No, you have it completely backwards. It takes courage to expose what an unscientific hoax evolution is, to demonstrate that evolution has no cause and effect basis as all things scientific must, to point out that there cannot be "natural selection" of things that don't exist. No, on the contrary, it takes courage to show atheists who violently resist the unwelcome truth that evolution is the religion of the blindly irrational. To attempt to show the truth to an evolutionist is like addressing a rabid lynch mob with a blood lust. Hitchens always had a friendly audience where ever he preached, because Christians are commanded to argue fact, not lynch. Evolutionists on the other hand are not constrained by ethics - murdering, lying, cheating, stealing, whatever helps you survive while others unaided die - is condoned by atheism.
David Parker There has never been any sign, throughout history, of any great god looking after everyone. It's all the same boring banal teachings of religious bumpkins trying to get rich off of deluded flocks who want to believe in something.
David Parker
Aaaaah Shaddaup. You don't know what you're on about, you stupid git.
And, before you start whining that I didn't address you're points, you've written nothing that you didn't pull from deep in the recesses of your posterior and which requires any sort of thoughtful response.
To suggest that Hitchen's only spoke before friendly crowds is utter rubbish. He spent the last couple of years of his life deliberately seeking out believers and debating the best and brightest of them... If one can use the terms "best and brightest" to describe religious apologists.
That you lie so freely about the basis and nature of the Theory of Evolution and what does or does not constrain atheists is ample evidence of how completely devoid of any ethical constraints you yourself are.
You're nothing but a brain washed minion of superstitious zealots, devoid of any intellect, morality and shame.
And, you're LOSING the debate.
Suck on that before you do us all a big favor and drop dead.
"that after having seen the sort of people they attracted in the comments section as supporters, I was rather glad I was not, as it were 'on their side'." God forbid that you should be offended in a world so completely absent of religious nutcases.
So sorry you never heard a good teacher. There is no excuse, however, for not reading what they had to say. The problem with evolutionists is their ignorance. Except for a very few, Dawkins comes to mind, none are aware of just what it is they claim just popped into existence without any physical cause (to the abysmally ignorant, "chance" is not a force). If you want to pretend you are scientific, here are some scientists who argue from their scholarship in the physical sciences:
Creation.com , ICR.org
the doctrine of vicarious redemption by human sacrifice. WOW he was good
What you don't know is what he is saying now.
Here's a hint: Luke 16:19-31
roflmao!
You, of course, understand it all too well. 'The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.' - Bertrand Russel. Question everything!
AAH Replies I don't think the people who think the sacrifice is symbolic or allegorical are the folks we're worrying about. Your entire statement is nearly pointless.
It's like when believers try to say that Jesus was being symbolic when he told followers to bring nonbelievers and kill them at his feet. That's all fine and dandy, but tell that to the people taking it literally and killing people because of it.
AAH Replies And not to mention the absolute laughability of saying that Hitchens appeals to those who "need things laid out for them." That's hilarious! I suppose you're also the believing type to say such gems as: "Atheism takes more faith than god" or "You can't be moral without god"...
Seriously, what is scripture if it isn't a doctrine that lays out EVERYTHING for you?? This is beyond hypocrisy...
World is missing this great man. I cannot watch Hitchens videos without breaking in tears knowing that he is not with us anymore.
Hitchens is shedding a few of his own right now.
I don't miss that pompous ass at all.
Tears? You are an inconsistent materialist atheist.
So sorry
Yes.
Everyone who agreed to attack the people of Iraq is a murderer at heart.
Of all the peoples to attack, Saddam Hussein and his Ba'ath party were the most dedicated enemies of the Taliban and Al Queda.
It is analogous to the US attacking China after Pearl Harbor.
He hated your stupid religion
@@DavidParker-cf2km Hitchens showed you the TRUTH...and that hurts...right..??
What a mind, what a wordsmith, what a man.
I'm your 80 like.
he was ev1l in every respect.
he was forgotten less than 5 minutes after he fell into hll.
@@JPX7NGD If that were true, you wouldn't be here talking about him thirteen years after he passed away. Go back to your book with a talking bush in it, the adults are typing here.
@@TonyEnglandUK he's USEFUL to a certain group, but not remembered.
We need more like Carlin, Dawkins and Hitchens.
... Dennet ... Barker ... Sweeney ...
@Daniel De saint malo have you listened to Sam Harris?
I'm coming x
Actually what we need are people that will listen to these ideas and be smart enough to understand them. Most of the people in the world today are capable of neither.
@@alesplut6209 Carl Sagan....
I swear I learn a new word almost every time I listen to Hitch
a lot of his followers don't know many words, more of them are illiterate all together
Arrogant and wrong.
and all of them are wrong.
Unless Hitch had serious turn about with God, he is screaming in hell right now, regretting every foolish word that he uttered. God is good; Hitch was not! Christ died on a Cross so that we may know Him. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh hitchens did outlive his atheism at least.
“Celestial Dictatorship” WOW that pretty much sums it up
Do you believe in absolute or relative morality?
Yeah, but this "Celestial Dictatorship" was made up to uphold real religious dictatorship on Earth, which makes it even worse!
@Sticky Steve Where does your objective morality come from?
@Sticky Steve A god is the only way to reach objective morality. If you don't believe in a god, where does your objective morality come from?
@Sticky Steve Please restate the example you are referring to.
People go to church for the same reasons they go to a tavern: to stupefy themselves, to forget their misery, to imagine themselves, for a few minutes anyway, free and happy - Mikhail Bakunin.
Not why I meet with my fellows.
Ah, yes, an anarchist and revolutionary, just the kind of expert we want on any number of subjects.
@castroy64 you've posted the same thing many times. It's you who are obsessed my little Jesus liar.
Your comment is akin to what the Communists said about religion (and one of the relatively few things it got right): religion is an opiate for the masses.
Some people use drugs and alcohol to try and escape from their earthly problems - others delude and brainwash themselves with religion. They believe in an invisible man in the sky who listens to your prayers and is actively involved in the affairs of mankind.
That is deeply offensive to those of us who love the pub
Religion in all its forms has been circling the toilet bowl for centuries...like a maddeningly buoyant turd.
I sometimes tell the religious that they are circling the drain in the shallow end of the gene pool, but I might have to steal some of your material.
Such eloquence and imagery, I am impressed. May I offer one of my own in exchange!
Prayer: - self-medicating delusional tranquilizer (Category Placebo )
*tears* Oh Hiiiitch! I miss you Hitch! *tears tears*
♥♥♥ >sob
He’s in hell. 😎
@@originalname4972 You xtians are so unlike your god. Figures.
merry Hitchmas
I love your comment and I don't know why.
Oh, he'd love that!
Funnily enough i was a christian until i read the Bible
+SeriouslyNotNormal --- That was true with me too. I'd bet for most of us. This quote is so true:
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
Asimov wrote fiction.
You never made it through Leviticus.
Then you were never a Christian.
1 John 2: 18-19 "Little children, it is the last time, and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now there are many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they should have continued with us. But this cometh to pass, that it might appear, that they are not all of us."
The old no true Scotsman fallacy.
If god is so powerful, why do Christians keep giving him money?
how else would they settle the rape charges?
"He needs money. He always needs Money. He is all-wise all perfect, all-knowing, somehow just can't handle money."
- George Carlin.
@Daniel De saint malo Ask your church to open the books and see how much is going to charity and the upkeep of the Church and how much goes to enriching the church leadership. Go on I dare you.
@Daniel De saint malo well you keep funding corruption. Your God would be so proud.
@Daniel De saint malo Well if you want to contribute to events run by corrupt people that's your business. Personally, I think you are morally bankrupt to support those people.
And what about politicians. For starters I don't choose to pay tax I'm required to by law and I buy nothing from politicians during elections, money does not change hands. So you are talking absolute rubbish.
And really politicians are bad so that makes you giving money to your corrupt church ok? Wow, you really have no moral compass, do you.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth - Mikhail Bakunin.
@castroy64 I love you. I mean I love your one sided argument. I bashed in another comment too. I also included crimes by religion in the name of God.
@castroy64and I love religious assholes trying to distance themselves from their past.
"Compulsory love is another sickly element of Christianity" - classic Hitchens (I miss the guy). In one stroke he adds a little of Old Testament eye-for-an-eye to his acceptance of innate morality and thoroughly rejects forgiveness. Rejects the two seminal catholic doctrines in one sentence: love your neighbor as yourself and that forgiveness is better.
MrRhomas913
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Yet he defends Stalin
_Compulsory love is another sickly element of Christianity" - classic Hitchens_
No, just nicked from Nietzsche. Nothing Hitch said was original or right.
hitchens is in hll.
Love Is To Will the Good Of the Other As other.
I cannot walk on water. I suspect you can't either. In novels, however, anything is possible,. Dead people can rise up out of their graves. People can ride dinosaurs.
And yet they were healthier than we are today. Them lived under conditions that would kill most of the people in the civilized world today.
No dead people ever rose up out of their graves: They were raised at the command of God.
Only Fred Flintstone and Barney rode dinosaurs.
Mankind was created the same day as the land animals which included the dinosaurs. Adam, Eve, and all animals in the land and sea ate plants: There was no death until Adam intentionally and directly sinned against God.
@@DavidParker-cf2km Oh yeah? Prove it.
@hatter00 Look in the mirror to see an idiot. It is rare that anyone lives to be 100 these days. Yet is was common for people to live hundreds of years before the flood of Noah's day, Methuselah holding the record at 969.
It amazes me how you can believe in evolution - everything (the universe and all living things) - coming from nothing with no cause or purpose.
Right. Yet another indoctrinated person.
@@JR-st3mp Genesis 5 "1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 ¶And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: *
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9 ¶And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: *
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 ¶And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel: *
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15 ¶And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: *
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18 ¶And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 ¶And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: *
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: *
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 ¶And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. *
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
Sounds pretty healthy to me and no Obamacare either.
@@DavidParker-cf2km You think because I'm an athiest that I like Obamacare? I don't. Obamacare was doomed to failure before it ever began. I don't like socialism either. I'm a capitalist businessman, and I don't believe in fairies, unicorns, or any religion, including Christianity. You don't have to be religious to believe in capitalism.
I ask for proof and you read me scriptures. Useless. Professing to me that you believe what is written in the bible is true is only proof that you drink that particular KoolAid. Noah was 500 years old, eh? OK, prove it. If you provide bible verses as proof of your claims, then you are either brainwashed, ignorant, or crazy. Which is it?
Entirely agreed. This is something I've realized since I was about 15.
So you're telling everybody that you still think like a 15-year-old?
ua-cam.com/video/BqHrpBPdtSI/v-deo.html Watch with an open mind
@@mensetens6391 he literally didnt say that. What appalling misrepresentation expected of your kind. Tell me, in the same frame of fallacious logic of yours, that means you have a mentality of a one year old since most religious individuals are religious due to their upbringing? What ridiculous casuistry i say.
@@mensetens6391 No he is telling you that even as a teenager he has better critical thinking skills than you and other religious morons around the world
@@llamaliammm _Tell me, in the same frame of fallacious logic of yours, that means you have a mentality of a one year old since most religious individuals are religious due to their upbringing_
False Equivalence Fallacy. He said:
_This is something I've realized since I was about 15_
Not something to boast about since teens are notorious for bad thinking. If he's still thinking that way, then he's still thinking like a 15-year-old.
You, on the other hand, have nothing like that to quote from me. You have to invent a comparison, but did it badly since it makes no sense:
_that means you have a mentality of a one year old since most religious individuals are religious due to their upbringing?_
Sorry? Did I say that? Did I mention an age? Did you even define 'religion'? No? then how do you know that we are talking about the same thing (hint: you don't)? 'Most people' leaves out some. What of those who became Christians as adults? Or those who became Christians from another religion:
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As it was, I was not raised a Christian, so your 'most people' fails the standard of fact.
Sorry, your comparison was weak and mentally flatulent.
_What ridiculous casuistry i say_
Then you are wrong again. Better casuistry than your stupidity, but not casuistry, either.
Do you know that, if you buy a calendar in Italy, for every day of the year there is a name that happens to be a saint...like, Saint Mark, Saint Simon, etc.. how all this names just happens to be Saint ? 355 + of them ?? what they have done to be Saint ? Christianity is a joke !!
Look it up. There have to be criteria to cannonize people. In not saying the reasons are logical but there is a process for canonization.
@@ingriddubbel8468 I guess that two with the same name can't be put on a calendar....first in , first served...but i think it's a joke the fact that, a few cardinals " decide " on who can become " saint "... suddenly a halo appears on the head of George....now St. George, what a lot of BS !
Ingrid Dubbel
Yes but their canonization process is erroneous, and beatifies people who are clearly not great humans.
Usually they were noble and rich people who gave money to the pope or built churches.
There are some really angry Christians around. Can any of you explain to me how Christianity provides morality?
Human sacrifice.
And I am not angry, not now anyway.
Phil C excuse me, was that supposed to explain how christianity provides morality? Human sacrifice! I do hope i misunderstood your comment
They are not actual practicing christians
They all cherry pick to whom their neighbor is
Morality is an objective criterion for judging whether an action is right and wrong. If there is not a transcendent (i.e. God) source of morality, there is no objective morality. If there is no objective morality, there is no positive law. If there is no positive law, there is no civilization.
@6.25 "What is it like - I've never tried it, I've never been a cleric - what is it like, to LIE to children for a living and tell them that they have an authority that they MUST love! Compulsory love - what a GROTESQUE idea - and be TERRIFIED, all at the same time. What is it like, I'd like to know. "
BRILLIANT , just brilliant. And terrifyingly real.
he did that to you, and he is just projecting.
all possible 6 types of unforgivably blaspheming:
1) Despair of salvation
2) Presumption of God’s mercy
3) To impugn the known truth
4) Envy of another’s spiritual good
5) Obstinacy in sin
6) Final impenitence
Love, To Will The Good Of The other as other.
not only are you incapable of Love because of a d4d soul,
but being without Love IS d4th.
It's very refreshing to listen to an individual who is so articulate.
Ladies and Gentle men, Brothers and sisters... 😃 Such a lovely man. Miss you deeply sir, you are truly amazing.
All of the arguments for religion in these posts would have gone up in flames had the writers attempted the same BS debating him. You all sound the same and your justifications are quite literally flawed beyond reason.
for example...?
ua-cam.com/video/BqHrpBPdtSI/v-deo.html not all scientists agree with materialism.. don't believe every thing All scientists claim to have proof or no proof of . I was born into a cult religion. Didn't stop me from wanting to know what is the truth
I absolutely 100% agree!
Hitchens was awesome. He was a joy to watch debate and destroy all religious apologists that were foolish enough to take him on.
You are greatly missed Hitch, the world is a less colourful place without you in it!
I only wish I was as fucking cool and chill as Hitch when belittling religion.
This video should be shown in schools..IF ANY RELIGION IS TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS..THIS BRILLIANT PIECE OF LOGICAL SPEAKING BY HITCHENS...PROVES..ALL GODS ARE MAN MADE MYTHS AND ALL RELIGION IS FASCISM.
Agreed
LONG LIVE THE HITCH!!!!!!
Actually he wouldnt want that lol
The ancient Chinese had a wonderful society that didnt require the biblical god to give them good morals.
I suggest you read up on the Yangshao Culture of the Yellow River Valley as well as on Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism.
ozskipper that is a perfect example
I did that. No you go look up how many people died because of King Richard I. And then look up how many people died because of Benjamin Netanyahu. Then look up how many people died because of EVERY CHRISTIAN American president in the last 60 years. If you're going to cherry-pick, we can all come up with multiple examples of genocides by leaders of EACH religion.
says the wall where they buried 400,000 slaves ..uh huh
@@kantraxoikol6914 The bible had slaves too. Duh..
Nothing better than a dose of The Hitch on a sunday morning. They sy is clear, the birds are singing, and ll is right in the world.
Do you believe morality is objective or subjective?
had to give that thumbnail a click
favorite human
Great talker, but he is way off. Where does he get his morals from?
@@michaellawlor5625 being a christian and or swallowing the mythical kool aid does not necessarily make you moral or bring one morality.
My very own grandfather was the perfect example of this. A man of high morals and integrity as well, that was the "oak tree" of our family.
I find your statement ignorant, judgemental and totally lacking truth.
@Marxine St.Arline okay I'll think about it. How did the teachings of the bible teach me the immorality of the bible? I'm opposed to slavery, genocide, and feel females deserve to be treated better then livestock. I assume we both hold these things to be moral, but neither of us arrived at this biblically. Also a side note of China abolishing slavery before Christianity doing so.
Thank you Christopher Hitchens for eloquently putting into words, what I have instinctively known my whole life.
A shame he died so early but his ideas and ideals never died, they'll live on in us
Too bad he cannot tell you what he cannot now deny. But, as Jesus said, even if one came back from the dead, Hitchens would not believe - and neither can you.
@@DavidParker-cf2km he cannot tell anyone anything because he's dead, and who knows which ancient bronceage mythology divinity he's now with if at all
@@justtheaverageone3840 No shit Sherlock, all he can do is fry and regret how he spent his life.
By the way, what is a "bronceage mythology divinity"?
@@DavidParker-cf2km and why should we think any of this is real? Have you actual evidence of heaven or hell?
the bible is just another collection of myths, fabels and stories like any other "holy book"
Until people get over the fear of death,religion will remain unfortunately. RIP Hitch.
Actually, I would be scared as HELL (no pun intended) about death if I were an atheist.
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” ..... Mark Twain.
Having a drink listing to all my fav hitch Videos. which ones all of them
Good I hope you become an alcoholic..
@@ericday4505 no chance of that because i only drink couple times a month
@Sticky Steve Hatred? The guy was vile, what are you talking about. And to the other idiot drinking and watching videos, pull up the Hitchens, George Galloway debate. A Hitch fan would need to be drunk watching that.
@@ericday4505 yes stupid; hatred. You hoped someone watching would become an alcoholic because you "don't like the guy he's watching". Your sad attempt of innocence isn't helping either. If you're just looking for someone to insult you to think you've proven anything I'd be happy to call you a Dipshit
Any Christian who can think, if he had the courage to watch this in its entirety, would leave his church immediately.
God creates evil. Apparently. Isaiah 45:7
I miss him. Damn, i truly miss him.
Christopher Hitchens, boy have you got that right.
'i' missing from Christopher's name in the title :P
Love this gentleman. It put a fracture in the world that this wonderful man was lost early to cancer.
A mind a man, an intellect, an honesty, a rationality, a logic, a beautiful orator all in one.
Religion is not moral nor immoral. Religion is a method of imposing one's morals on a group of followers through fear.
You can never go wrong with Jesus Christ. Lord and Saviour of my soul. 👍
what about the hells of all the religions you dont believe in?
Trust Jesus. He has informed us about the real hell.
THE SPAGHETTI MONSTER! LORD OF PASTA AND ZESTY ITALIAN SAUCE
I can only hope that my children can shake off the chains and lies of religious belief systems. Or we may in fact be living in the end of days...
He always calls everyone his brothers and sisters🤗🕺🏼💃
The world needs less Gods, and more Hitchens.
Wow. Hitchens at his best
This man is BRILLIANT! We should have people like this in politics. This guy is thinking with his own head - that is rare today!
He sure fooled you. My guess is that didn't take brilliance, it merely took telling uncritical you what you wanted to hear.
Finally now I can refute the "Christian ethics" argument. Thank you Hitch.
I love how pissed and butthurt believers get.
The truth hurts,and so do Hitchslaps.
Poor you...
@@Matt6X no,I'm good Matt,thanks.
@@kawasakiwhiptwo5821 Oh, I am so relieved, Not many people can take poison like this and do not get sick.. unless they are on it all the time and do not know otherwise..
@@Matt6X let's start at YOUR beginning Matt. what was your "poor you" comment supposed to mean to me?
@@kawasakiwhiptwo5821 Exactly what I wrote: "do not know otherwise?". Any real effort on your side to understand the topics Mr.Hitch. addressed in his propaganda...
it's literally brilliant. Incredible
ua-cam.com/video/BqHrpBPdtSI/v-deo.html watch pls . Might be of interest to you
Damn I wish I could express myself like that man. When somebody questions my atheism I don’t even bother to try. I just say Google Christopher Hitchins. I don’t seem to be able to say more than that I think all religion is horseshit. I miss him.
The religious did not understand logic .
+MIKE MCGILL not 100% right mike, i was deeply religious at one time in my life but things changed over a period of years,. we're all born without a belief in gods, some of us are lured into the religious traps forever, ''but some manage to escape into reality''..
+Pat Brennan I was deeply religious too for a time in my life and back then my problem wasn't that I didn't understand logic. My problem was that I didn't want to hear it if it conflicted with my faith, I ignored it and instead found a passage in the Bible that would reassure me in my faith. So yeah, logic doesn't resonate well with religious people...I know first hand.
Christians refined Greek logic.
Greg Bahnsen had a perfect understanding and grasp of logic.
Hitchens would never debate Bahnsen.
Stein did. That debate with Stein is on UA-cam somewhere. Meanwhile, learn:
ua-cam.com/video/zRq6qKp78W8/v-deo.html
Christians accept and develop logic. Science and logic are part of Christianity. Cause and effect, the very basis of science, are Christian concepts as is the notion that what we do today can benefit future generations.
Christians absolutely do understand logic and argue logically. Strict use of logic is part of Christian doctrine. We absolutely believe in cause and effect, the foundation of scientific research.
On the other hand, you could not possibly have won a debate with RC Sproul or Greg Bahnsen. You could not possibly win a debate Ravi Zacharias. Christopher Hitchens and Dawkins cannot win a debate with a Christian theologian, because the atheist position is inherently irrational and illogical. You start off with an incoherent argument and all we have to do is expose your lack of logical consistency.
VERY LIFE CHANGING...
AND TRUE,,,,,MOSTLY..
NOW IF HE COULD PRACTICE IT.
how can you hate a god you don't believe in the first place. I don't believe in fairies. I can't. I don't believe in them. boom.
Christopher Hitchens was probably one of the best debaters in modern history. RIP Legend
If Christianity is to be believed, I should be OK if I died and stood before God, and at that point accept God. If that is not the case, I would like to know why that is so.
He is so wonderfully incoherent in his thinking it is a swell to watch. By his own argument he claims those guys to be primitive goat herders thus one would have to conclude that they needed to be told how to breathe, but then one should not instruct them on what is right or wrong as they already knew.
NONSENSE! This individual really does not know, that THE BIBLE says: CHRIST came to save HIS people from their sins, NOT all people. Most were predestinated to perish.
Ronnie Houser The info I provide is BIBLICAL.
Matt 1:21
21 She will give birth to a son. You will name him Jesus.[b] Give him that name because he will save his people from their sins.”
Rom. 9:27
27 And Isaiah cries out about Israel:
“There are so many people of Israel,
they are like the grains of sand by the sea.
But only a few of them will be saved.
28 Yes, the Lord will quickly finish judging the people on the earth.”
Rom 11:5
5 It is the same now. God has chosen a few people by his grace. 6 And if he chose them by grace, then it is not what they have done that made them his people. If they could be made his people by what they did, his gift of grace would not really be a gift.
Is. 10:22
22 Israel, your people are as many as the sands of the sea, but only a few of them will be left to come back to God. But before that happens, your country will be destroyed. God has announced that he will destroy the land. And then justice will come into the land like a river flowing full. 23 The Lord God All-Powerful really will destroy this land.
His or people or all people doesn't change his point.
Bucketheadhead Then he should not be talking about Christianity as if he knew what he was talking about.
Aidan Gibson What double?! I DO NOT care what views denominations have, since I DO NOT belong to them. THE BIBLE says, that YHWH predestinated ALL.
His people? What you mean the Hebrew? Because in the old Testament God seem to care only about the Hebrew!!
If you like you can insult your self by assuming that people need to care what Hebrew mythology apply to us.
But live us out of it…We are not Hebrew.
Nobody cares what the bible says. The bible also says that we should eat shit and should stone to death homosexuals.
HERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US - About Morality. Please cite the passages that promote morality. Don't forget the quiz at the end.
1. You can own slaves. You can buy and sell slaves. You can even sell your own daughter (Exodus 21:7-10). If she fails to please her master, you must refund him the purchase price..
2. You can beat the living shit out of your slaves without being punished, as long as they do not die within two days (Exodus 20:20-21). Under what standards of morality is it ever okay to beat another human being like that and not suffer any consequences? It is reassuring the bible endorses property rights, but a source of morality it is not.
3. The bible not only condones slavery but sets prices for them (Leviticus 27:3-7). The bible obviously was concerned about human traffickers getting a fair price for their goods.
4. Surely Jesus had compassion towards slaves. He tells slaves to be obedient and subservient. That is why slave owners in the Americas pushed Christianity onto their slaves and punished those caught practicing their ancient religions.. Very reassuring. Accorging to Jesus, it was okay to beat slaves, those who unwittingly made mistakes were to be given few lashes, those who knowingly violated rules were to be given many lashes. Ownership rights, you know.
5. Thou shalt not kill. Now THERE is a good one. However, it seems there are exceptions:
No sooner had Moses returned from his first trip up the mountains to find a party to which he had not been invited, in a fit of rage he orders his Levite goon squad to kill "every man his brother, and every man his friend and every man his neighbor." Exodus 32:28 "The Levites did as Moses commanded and that day about 3000 of the people died." 'Tough Love' maybe?
6. But there are others. The bible requires the faithful to put to death by stoning;
Adulterers (Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Leviticus 20:10);
Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13),
Non virgins (Deuteronomy 22:20-21),
any of your neighbors foolish enough to mow their lawn on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15,Exodus 35:1-3,Numbers 15:32-36).
7. Oh, and speaking of rape, surely that ranks high on the ‘Thou shalt nots’ of the ten commandments. NO??? It is not even mentioned???
An oversight perhaps? But then it was so important to forbid mixing fabrics or cooking a kid in its mother's milk (so important that it needed to be repeated three times) and such. Take a look at these REALLY important commandments (there are different versions within the bible). Thou shalt not:
Worship other gods
Work on the Sabbath (death penalty crime)
Take the name of the lord in vain (OMG, ANOTHER capital crime)
Make graven images
Covet thy neighbor’s wife or house or ass
And, oh yes, ‘thou shalt not kill’ and ‘thou shalt not steal’ are in there somewhere near the bottom. But rape? Not one word!!!
How about elsewhere in the bible? Surely somewhere the bible must condemn rape, no?
Oh, yes, here; Deuteronomy 22:28-29 28 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives"
*YESSS! There it is. Rape is a PROPERTY crime*. The rapist has damaged the father’s PROPERTY and it is he that must be compensated. What justice for the victim of the rape? She has to marry her rapist. Surely she lived happily ever after, no? And what if they were not discovered and the girl kept quiet out of fear? The bible is quite clear about the fate of girls who are not virgins on their wedding day. Here, as elsewhere in the bible, women are chattel and have no say in their future.
It is interesting to note that, while the bible mandates death by stoning for adulterers and non virgin brides, raping an unbethrothed virgin incurred only a monetary penalty. This is biblical justice?
8. The bible endorses mass murder and sex slavery. Numbers 31:14-18 "14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle. 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
Numbers 31:35 - "And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him." THIRTY TWO THOUSAND VIRGINS being divided up to be used by “god’s chosen people” at the same time their mothers and brothers by the tens of thousands were being slaughtered like animals. Many of those women would have been pregnant, their unborn fetus dying inside them. And what would have been the crime of young boys of whatever age? 2? 4? 10? There was no distinction about age. This is GENOCIDE, condemned by civilized nations of the world.
If you fail to feel a deep sense of moral outrage at this, how do you condemn ISIS for doing far less? Genocide in whatever form is an ugly stain on humanity. To claim it to be a moral act is the ultimate evil. Why then, should you regard the bible as a moral guide? Is ISIS any less evil?
So what response do we hear from zealots? Shock? Horror? No! Their predicable response is indifference and a callous “They had it coming to them.” We have heard those words echoed by unrepentant Nazis and the barbaric ISIS. And how does that equate to morality? Are not empathy and compassion the cornerstones of morality? Where then is there any morality here?
Perhaps it was just an oversight that the bible nowhere condemns slavery, or rape or molesting children, but yet it was so important to forbid mixing fabrics or cooking a kid in its mother's milk (so important that it needed to be repeated three times). What does that say about biblical priorities?
If the bible is the source of your 'morality', call a mental health hotline, NOW..
God sends Abraham to murder his own son, clearly an immoral act. Abraham is perfectly willing to do so. And for this, the bible praises Abraham. To a rational person, morality is doing what's right, no matter what one is told. Biblical morality is doing what you are told no matter what.
Although an angel was sent to 'stay Abraham's hand', no such courtesy was given Jephthah's daughter made into a burnt offering to the lord (Judges 11:29-40). That should be enough to turn anyone's stomach. And what of Jephthah? Was this murderer of an innocent child punished in any way? Was he condemned? NO. He is PRAISED. THE BIBLE TACITLY APPROVES OF HUMAN SACRIFICE.
To suggest that morality stems from religion is not only wrong, it is frightening. You don't need religion to have morals. If you can't determine right from wrong, you lack empathy, not religion. And the bible has a special message for women: "STFU". We see at every turn they are denied the rights afforded to men; they were regarded as property, either of their father or their husband. It can be a source of pride for women that apparently not a single one of them participated in the writing of the bible. The rights that women have today were not granted them by the bible, they had to fight for them. The bible endorses misogyny.
Some of the rules in the bible are downright strange. Take Leviticus 15:19- 24 for instance that forbids contact with a woman while she is "unclean" (during her period). I mean how is a guy to know? Surely it is impolite to ask. Donald Trump has a way of finding out, but I doubt the average guy could get away with it.
Atheists have greater claim to morality than those who espouse religion. They are moral because it is the intelligent way to behave towards our fellow man, not out of expectation of reward or fear of punishment. If you are "moral" because of those constraints, you are a very dangerous person.
Slavery still exists, but it has been made illegal in virtually every part of the world, NOT because of guidance from the bible, but because it was the right thing to do. Morality stems from empathy and concern for our fellow man. Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things; but for good people to do bad things, that takes religion. Dictators take control of a populace by instilling fear of punishment, how is religion any different than that?
Mark Twain once said "It ain't the parts of the bible I don't understand that bother me, it's the parts I DO understand."
Now the question: Do YOU understand why the bible is said to be the source of morality? Because I sure don't.
99.9% of the incarcerated in the US identify with a theology. Why because within their cult all they have to do is go to confession and their crime/ sin is forgiven. But in reality they've committed a crime against another citizen or government and have to pay their debt to society. And most likely a society they mostly don't care about because those citizens are in a different cult. So if the US which is the most religiously free country has 25% of the world's incarcerated and 99.9% of them identify with a religion what's that say about religion.
Every religious person should watch this like they made religion compulsory at school this should be compulsory to the religious
Absolutely amazing.
I remember being "Confirmed" into the Catholic Church but can never ever remember anyone asking ME whether I wanted to do it. I am now an avid Dawkins and Hitch advocate as we don't need to hang on to such lies which have been purported by the powers that be (other Men) for control over the masses. People are afraid of death and seem to think that believing this or that will somehow save them from nothingness. It is, as Hitch says, wishful thinking that we somehow continue. Now I can stand back and from a distance an see the wood for the trees and the truth. Religion is generally a lie, whichever one you choose.
Why don't you believe in God?
QuantumPlater John 3:16 because it is a Man made control system. As far as I am concerned, people can believe in what they like as long as they do not force it on anyone else. The source of all evil is Religion as its used as an alibi for so many wrongs and tries to take credit for any rights that people do in this World. It never takes responsibility for its own Followers who commit "Sins" in its name. I could go on for hours telling you why but it is only the naive that believe.
@@Funkstar124 Do you believe that it is wrong for Christians to vote to promote their religious convictions or prohibit people from doing things that go against Christian morality? Because laws force people to do things or not do things.
QuantumPlater John 3:16 look. As I said, I have no problems with what people want to believe. In fact, New Testament Christianity is on the while promoting peace but it's got some pretty nasty bits still but not compared to Bible version 1:0 .Basically, without typing a very long response, Religion is unnecessary as right and wrong exists regardless of it being in existence. It's like some people have a skewed belief in right and wrong such as paedophile clergymen who are well aware of the teachings in the Bible but still ignore this to do what they want. So basically anyone Religious or not, will do what they want or what satisfies a need, however depraved. That being said, normal morality should be taught in schools from an early age up until leaving so the messages get ingrained. Religion, which is based on inaccuracy and quite often, fiction, is not necessary. And the fact that the Bible claims the Earth is 6000 years old is absolute rubbish. And also, 10,000 years before the birth of Christ, the Human race wasn't any less barbaric than it is now! So, again, Christianity, not required. Islam (a joke rip off of Judaism) unnecessary, and so on,...
@@Funkstar124 It sounds like you believe in objective morality (please correct me if that is not what you believe). Without God, where do you get your standard of objective morality?
Refreshing clarity of thought, here.
Pascal's Wager, eh? If the wager was a valid argument, you'd have to pick the correct god to 'just believe in' out of millions, if not billions of gods that have been made up by humanity over its history. But that's exactly why the wager doesn't work. If we were to believe just in case there was a god, we'd still have a pathetically minuscule chance of picking the correct one.
I miss his speeches/debates.
Throughout the Trump Presidency it was common for detractors to point out that while Trump could enthrall and entertain his faithful in person, were one to read a transcript of his rally speeches, the were nearly unintelligible rambles.
No audio, all gibberish.
(Gibberish either way, but that's another discussion.)
These Hitchens videos are similar in that if you read the preview closed captions they're nearly unintelligible rants. Remove the charisma along with the audio- gibberish.
I loved Hitchens during the Bush years writing for the Atlantic, but loathe his forays into religion/anti-Christian polemic... only his faithful "get it," much like Trump.
Another poster said he (the poster) didn't care for demagogues. Agreed.
Dr. Chuck Missler explains. Dr. Gene Kim. Amazing teachers. We have to explore all the sides and then make a decision. We have the side of astrophysicist science theology. They make great Arguments for proving this existence couldn't be by chance. Chuck Missler shows us that the world and everything in it has a specific number and a DNA it's magnificent and can only be from a creator. He didn't believe in God he studied codes for the government unscrambling problems and stumbled on God's masterpiece. Thank you very much for input. There's nothing more fascinating of a subject. And that's the beginning. The root of everything. Where did it come from? Why are we here? Where are we going? Very interesting. I don't believe in chance or coincidence because it's too much of animazement and the odds too many things are one in six billion. Exactly Missler explains. If you give him a an ear for a video you will see what I mean. I thought you would enjoy it.
Damn Hitch was a, no THE primary reason for me casting off the poison that is religion, (Catholicism for me) and becoming an atheist. Damn why did he have to leave so soon, he probably had another 15 years to live had he not drank and smoked himself to death. RIP Christopher. 😥
I was also born to the Catholic family and when was young considered it only as a nuisance. But still practiced what was expected though without any conviction. And then not to make it to o long... in the mid thirties slowly I started to see more an more elements coming together and adding sense to the whole puzzle. Now, many years later, it all makes a perfect sense to me. The process is similar to that of the Wheel of Fortune: where you take wrong guess you may end up bankrupt, you may guess at once, and you may loose or win just at the end of the long process of trials and errors... this is my encouragement to you not to write yourself off..yet.
Mr Hitches talks a lot and takes very cheap shots.., misrepresents the idea and so on and on...
He uses typical debate trick: creating a flood of the simple and tough questions and statements for which there are are only few short answers and rest requires quite a long explanation. In his monologues he works in the same way. Most people in the audience have no clue about the fact that those questions have answers and with mindless satisfaction follow the presenters line of thought.
Mr Hitchens style represents the lowest of the lowest class - down to disgusting - just check of his opinion of Mother Theresa of Calcutta.
GOD BLESS YOU
@@Matt6X I was born into it too, and believed it and loved it whole-heartedly because I was lead to and didn't know any better. But once I was able to question it soundly through doubt and skepticism I not only saw it as a nuisance I saw it as a poison in every aspect. I don't know what these "elements coming together and adding sense to the whole puzzle" in your late 30's means. Can you elaborate? What are these elements? What is this puzzle? Why did it only make sense in your 30's and not when you were younger? Does it still make sense now that you are older (I imagine past your 30's)? Your Wheel of Fortune analogy is not necessary, just call it for what IT is, you're using Pascal's Wager, which is completely ridiculous in and of itself. That argument is no encouragement to "write myself off yet" which I have BTW. You're right, Mr. Hitchens does talk a lot, but he does not make cheap points or misrepresent ideas, it's usually his opponents doing that. So I won't address your accusation of him using debate tricks as it will no doubt dissent into semantics of "he said she said." Lastly, I would say his opinion on Mother Teresa of Calcutta is, at its mildest, accurate. Not down and disgusting. She was very much a proponent of how religion makes normal, sane, and good people do and say abnormal, insane, evil things whether she was aware of it or not because the end result was the same.
@@vicquinonez1966 Thanks for at least being aware of the Pascal's Wager... and you obviously know that he was a genius.. so I would rather not comment on you statement. Just as a refresher I looked again at some of his videos..and I can only repeat what I said before: dangerous manipulator preying upon the ignorance of the young and ignorant , using the style and language well below any "public scientific debate" standards.. Just give you some hints by the example: He uses as the "heavy argument" against the Christian religion the "fact" that he has seen the icon with the Stalin somewhere in Russia today...and the fact that some other Greek Orthodox priest collected some money from him... Facts: The Orthodox Church was wiped out during Stalin. But to make a mockery of what was left of the Stalin and his red terror apparatus was forcing some priests to become their servants. The same trend continued during the communist regimes in every subjugated country - massive infiltration of hidden agents into the churches ranks. So, what has it to do with the real Church and its doctrine? not only ZERO but also shows the perversion of the Atheistic rule. Regarding his Greek priest - did he gave us any trustworthy details. .. "I am telling you so it is so"...Is he serious? are the listeners stupid? . Practically every opinion he expresses in most of his public appearances follow this pattern... If you like to see how people with a class stop him please look up his debate with prof.Lennox. So I guess , this is it for Mr.Hitch, the master of squabble and his "Hitchfarts".
Regarding Mother Teresa before I comment I am very interested to know what you mean by saying "She was very much a proponent of how religion makes normal, sane, and good people do and say abnormal, insane, evil things whether she was aware of it or not because the end result was the same.?"
Fundamentally if you do not accept that the life is a miracle you can say whatever you want using this logic. Today the same people fight for the animal rights and against the human right to live!. Perversion. Yet nobody knows how to create life.
GOD BLESS YOU!
@@Matt6X Yeah I'm aware of Pascal and am aware he was a genius... for HIS TIME. We've evolved in all manners of society and knowledge since 1662. It's like saying, "You think you're smarter that Isaac Newton?" Of course I do, a modern basic education is far more comorehensive and bound to make you smarter than Newton ever was. Haha. So no, once again his argument doesn't impress me nor should it you. You haven't really been commenting, or answering, any of my comments or questions now that you mention it. Right the "WW 2 Dictator's Argument." You really gunna use that? First, I get it you're gunna keep saying he uses dirty tricks and is a rhetoric manipulator you've made that ear, no need to keep repeating it incessantly
@@vicquinonez1966 Intelligence and genius have nothing to do how educated you are and how much you know. Logic is not time dependent. Neither IQ. I think I was quite precise on how Mr.Hitchens invents his arguments. So I guess we are done with that subject?. Now again, I still do not understand a word from your statements about Mother Theresa and for that matter the last half of your last response. If it continues like this, then, with heavy heart (because I try to respect people) I will have to let you go my friend...Your choice...
GOD BLESS YOU
We rarely hear any of Hitchens' addresses on TV. I wonder why not.
I believe that the world can all agree on not hurting each other ever some day, some day.
"It undermines our integrity to live and witness in truth..." I love hitch and this is by far one of the most potent things he has ever said. Voltaire also said if you can convince people to believe in absurdities you can convince people to commit atrocities. Words for life.
Atheism is absurd. Are you a believer... or do you take the absurd position of 'lacking belief'... Or do you have some other worldview?
@@jessebryant9233 My view is based I truths, there is nothing absurd about facts and reality.
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So you're not an atheist then? You're being kind of cryptic...
@@jessebryant9233 Surely it goes without saying. No I dont believe in any Diety. We are all atheists, unless you believe in every God from every religion? Or do you just pick on to which is most convient or one that had been revealed to you in which ever culture you grew up in.
So you are an atheist? Then it goes without saying that your worldview is absurd! And no, one does not have to believe in more than one God to be a theist. Be serious. Besides, your god is Nature... and yourself... _Hey, are you a brain or do you use a brain to think?_ Sadly, you only believe what you believe because of the culture you grew up in. (Or at least, that's what YOU just said!) Hey, keep spouting your literally mindless dogmas! _Preach it Massarotti!_
Not only brilliant but accurate...
"If we'd known now what we'd known then."?? Right at the start of this video. Pretty embarrassing really. He's still my hero though.
The greatest Christian scapegoat of our time
..christopher Columbus
Has hutchmes ever giving a speech about how the cult religions which is all religions and all who follow any religion --- had he ever talked about how they call anyone who cares about innocent children racist! It's insane this.. I see decade after decade this is their thing! I'd like to view it let me know if he has... Anyone! Please!
How are dogs such amazing creatures if they do not and cannot believe in Moses or Jesus or Muhammed or any of our Gods or their messengers. If dogs are better than humans in whose image were dogs made? Are dogs or cats sinful from birth too no matter how cute or adorable or soft or cuddly they are?
Religion a figment of imagination
My family are Christians they do the whole thing church twice a week and i don't at ALL but they are good people they don't push their views they are just living. Hitch is my hero but these comments he wouldn't be proud
hes so careful and effective in the words he uses
On what grounds can the naturalist say that anything is objectively immoral? I've never heard Hitchens answer this directly, he usually just dances around with his colorful, charismatic rhetoric (which I admit is thoroughly entertaining), but he never either rejects objective morality nor does he assert a transcendent foundation for it. Sam Harris changes the definition of good to mean well-being of a conscious creature in his "moral landscape", the problem being that the peaks of well-being can be inhabited by sadists as well as saints. Dawkins is the most honest, rejecting the existence of an objective morality (as the naturalist should), but that is just absurd in my opinion. Help me out on this one, I am genuinely curious and ignorant on this topic.
Hitch probably is more convincing than Jesus as a debater.In my eyes he is 100 per cent.
Your opening statement "The least religious countries on Earth also have the lowest levels of rape, murder, gun crime and teenage pregnancies." How can we verify this assertion? After we verify this, maybe we can move on to considering your other points
At 1:46 he says, "but I can't take away your responsibility".
Exactly! And why IS that?
Your point being ?
"And why IS that?"
dylan mcphee Because PERSONAL responsibility is the foundation of all morals and ethics. Christianity negates this self-evident fact and is therefore immoral, as well as irrational and evil.
blueshirttail The whole Bible is about personal responsibility. Therefore you are ignorant, immoral, irrational and evil. Evolution doesn't care about any "responsibility" anyway.
***** Then why did Jesus have to die for OUR sins? Makes zero sense.
What a shame that such a brilliant man as Mr. Hitchens passed away so young. He is greatly missed by Athiests such as myself.
wow i could not stop listening , and he is not crazy
LOL the advert I got on this video was for learning about Judaism.
The scapegoat was meant to be ridiculous but pathetically a symbol to the alternative which was immediate justice and destruction. Which means every time you yourself THINK, you'd have to be punished by absolute destruction for offending 100% purity and holiness. As it is, the scapegoat for the people was in duality, GRACE on display by The God who instituted it. But for this you'd have to have the humility to have the grace of God in order to even understand this theology. "Good IS mercy". :)
Hitchens ,awesome as usual
YOU CANNOT AVOID THE FINAL JUDGEMENT!
dont talk shit
@@SNORKYMEDIA FOOL YOURSELF FOR NOW!
(Mat 24:35) The whole world, earth and sky, will be destroyed, but my words will last forever.
God bless you!
What exactly was your purpose here, my friend?
@@wonderpeter5231 I only wanted to air the truth found in the bible!
God bless you!
While I wholeheartedly agree with Hitchens’ claim that morality did not originate with religion, I don’t think he has proven his point here. He has merely given his own opinions - ones with which Christians (and Jews and Muslims) could quite easily disagree.
I don’t think Mr. Hitchens understands very well what exactly it is that Christians believe.
Is it moral that I love my enemies? Love is demonstrated through works. Hitchens is trying to judge the works of God using broken human thinking. The death of Jesus Christ paid. The price for all our sins. Next thing: it is silly to think that the creator needs to get the permission and consultation of the creator. Hitchens never ever said anything that made any sense or showed his understanding of God or the Christian faith. He spent his whole life missing the point. What a waste.
How could any rational person possibly think that a god decided that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for being evil & immoral by breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules and created evil. Was to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ???????
☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔
This has to be THE most illogical ideology imaginable, it fails on just about every conceivable level. But then again I supose that's to be expected when its origins lie in the myths , knowledge, and world views of superstitious, uneducated, primative, child sacrificing, tribesmen. But I digress, so anyway just who is it that gets punished for this "ORIGINAL SIN " ?
Well that's really rather confusing isnt it, firstly the snake (supposedly the devil) gets punished by having to crawl on its belly for the rest of its days. EXCEPT that the devil is later frequently discribed as "walking around " (an incredible achievement for a paraplegic) indeed he has no problem whatsoever scaling "unusually high mountains" demonstrating skills that would make a Nepalese sherpa green with envy 🤢🤢🤔
Then adam and eve lose their eternal life, except that if they were already eternal why did god also put a tree of eternal life in the garden and ban them from eating from it ?? 🤔🤔
Then of course we have Adam's decendants being punished for it, which seems highly illogical & imoral to me. 🤔 But to be fair the bible seems a little confused on the matter also 👇👇👇👇
The Lord...visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7 = Deuteronomy 5:8-10)
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The son shall *not* suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. (Ezekiel 18:20, cf. Jeremiah 31:30)
You know to me that whole original sin biblical narative ( forbidden fruit ect ) seems analogous to me putting a loaded shotgun in a toddlers cot telling them not to touch it, and then being surprised when I hear a *BANG* 💥 and I'm not even omniscient 🤣😅🤣😅
But does this vicarious redemption ( scapegoating) solve the problem and lead to a just and moral solution ??
Well imagine a girl gets raped, they catch the rapist and he gets found guilty in court. The judge sentences him to life, but then says to him "dont worry I will serve your sentence for you"
Has the rapist recieved "JUSTICE" ??
Has the raped girl received "JUSTICE" ??
Of course not yet that is precisely what happens under the Christian vicarious redemption (scapegoating) nonsense ideology 🤬🤬 Infact it's an actual Tennant of christianity that even a child murder can be forgiven and go to heaven, if they but repent and believe. 🤮🤮
Your god CANNOT be both perfectly just and perfectly merciful.
Mercy is by definition a suspension of justice.
I think it is due to too many "thumbs down". It has not been removed at all, I just re-read it. It happens to me sometimes when I post under a superstitious/fantasy clip.
ayo who's here because of the christian worldview seminar???
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Studies have shown animals have some sense of right and wrong and they can't read (the bible) so doesn't that mean you don't need a book (which was written thousands of years ago) to get your morals from? It really does come down to just a few words, do to others as you would be like to done by. It's not rocket science. Oh, and try and be nice.
What "Studies have shown animals have some sense of right and wrong"? If such were possible, that would only be an additional argument for creation. However, you are just blathering because there is no "sense of right and wrong" and indeed no right and wrong, no good and evil, absent God saying so.
The golden rule is the second part. It goes like this:
"Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment and the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Oh, and try to be nice. That means obeying God.
First off, there are no "studies" that show "animals have some sense of right and wrong". Animals can be trained and so can people.
Second, IF animals had some sense of right and wrong, it would be because God created them with that sense because that "sense" is counter to godless evolution. The concept of good and evil is completely against the "law of the jungle", "natural selection", "survival of the fittest", and whatever other claptrap evolutionists will invent as they beat the dead horse of evolution in their quest to disprove the very God who made them. As you consistently fail to understand, right and wrong, good and evil, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, humane and inhuman, etc., are uniquely Christian concepts. Only God can declare with is good and what is right and what is just.
God created man last and in the image and likeness of God. God gave this status to mankind, not to the animals. Mankind was given dominion over the whole earth including the animals with the responsibility to dress and keep it - be a good steward.
The work of Frans de Waal amongst others does tend to show that moral sense - e.g. fairness, cooperation is exhibited by nonhuman animals. There is a good case for saying this is the basis for morality iin all species.
For a humble, god-fearing Christian this man is an impertinence.
If there's HELL it shall INDEED be a WONDERFUL experience to the stones!!
RIP Christopher
His brother Peter has another, better view.
Morality is innate. As I and many others are a decent example of. I am sad ... I really am, that you feel it isn't the same for you. It's sorrowful to me that someone only has morals, or wishes to do "right" or "be good" when an authority figure is watching. I don't know what else to say to you. :(
I miss my pagan Greek and Roman ancestors