Canada’s Secret Weapon: America’s Broken Immigration System
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Incorrect comparison u should have taken Google Canada and Google usa and compared the wages instead of Shopify
This video is the best example of the expression "lies, damned lies and statistics".
@@coilung000 why do you say that except for the salary comparison part i don't see any incorrect information
@@debojitmandal8670... because statistics can be used to steer people to decisions and behaviors regardless of how malign their consequences down the line will be; and this goes doubly so when said statistics are presented outside of any context. There is more to what makes a country successful that just gdp-number-go-up. If you fail to maintain a culture that is cohesive people either become atomized and slowly annihilate themselves (look up "IQ shredder" for more details on how it happens) or become tribal and your country rips itself apart. The whole post-national project that Canada is on will probably end with the USA gobbling up most of it by 2050, except for Quebec which will probably become it's own cute little thing, much the same way Singapore is separate for Malaysia.
Yes 👍
As a Canadian, I’m glad you addressed that things aren’t perfect here, either. Housing crisis. Brain drain to US. Etc
@tytxlx6503 No. Not unless the US made some significant reforms, especially to healthcare, gun violence, and corporatocracy
@tytxlx6503 The annexation of Canada by the United States is going to happen eventually, so the opinions of Canadians doesn't matter.
There is rarely any country not being brain drained by the US.
@@qwerty_and_azertyIn hindsight that isn’t a lot. I was expecting more. US is still a better place to live overall if you have money.
@@Account-jn7xu I mean its a youtube comment section, expecting a fully fleshed out list would be silly.
The information presented seems mostly accurate, but one big detail is missing and I'll try to present it as neutrally as possible: Quebec sets its own immigration conditions. I felt motivated to post because Sanjay from McGill would actually have a very different experience depending on whether he applied for permanent residency in Quebec or Ontario! One of the main differences is that Quebec weighs knowledge of the French language very heavily in applications for permanent residency. (The exact amount has varied over the years. It wasn't so important years ago, but recently it's gone up.) So while there is no official per-country quota system like the US has, you can imagine that Quebec has far more permanent residents proportionally from France, Lebanon, and Senegal (for example).
TLDR?
@@Mr.J660Speak French and you can come to Quebec.
Quebec's policy is backwards and they're losing tons of skilled people who would otherwise contribute immensely to their economy. Majority of the worlds brightest immigrants come from Asia where they don't speak French. Imagine valuing your language over your economy and living standard.
@@theenduranceImmigrants in canada are not improving the economy or living standards. Our living standards have radically declined actually, considering the fact GDP per capita and wages have basically flatlined and cost of living has skyrocketed. Immigration didn't change that and won't. I'd rather keep my language and culture protected at least.
As a French-speaking Montrealer I'm happy about the situation. We are forced by the federal to take 50k+ migrants a year and about half of them leave and go to Toronto because they don't want to learn French and integrate. This is a very good test to see what type of person you are.
People love visiting Montreal for our quality of life, they hate Toronto as it has become more violent than NY.
Maybe money is not everything.
My mother immigrated with me and my 2 sisters to the U.S from Tanzania in 1999 on a work visa. Within months we all had our SSNs and within a couple of yrs we all had our green cards. My sisters and I have been citizens for a while now but my point is that watching this video has truly opened my eyes to the struggles my mother faced. She never complained or made us privy to her challenges. We never once had to think about our immigration status because we were all enrolled in elementary school within a month of arriving in this country. My mother is now deceased but watching this video has truly made me grateful for all the sacrifices and work she put in to ensure we stayed here permanently.
Well it was easier back then because it was before 911
not really, before 2013, there were less than 85,000 h1b applicants per year and there were no lottery, everyone applied gets H1b. In addition quotas for green cards per country only limits two countries India and China. Immigrants from other countries waiting time is less than 2 years after applying for green card, For Chinese it takes 6-8 years, for Indian, as you saw in the video, it would take 14 years(2009) lollll.
All children in the US are guaranteed a Kindergarten to High School education regardless of immigration status.
@bbabbich3467how can you watch this whole video and think anything other than that the US needs to change? OP’s mother shouldn’t have had to struggle like that in the first place.
@@davychai9516 That is not true. The quota was always small and capped at 65000 visas, mostly granted to IT companies employing heavily the Indian engineers. The system has always been difficult to get and sponsorship got worse after 911.
I have 2 close friends that make around $180k and $250k in the US (Chicago), and they bought homes worth $400k and $500k in a Chicago suburb. If they lived in Toronto, they would probably make half the money, and the same type of houses in the same type of neighborhoods would cost 4x-6x as much. And that's for very specialized jobs.
Another friend in my exact line of work lives in Indianapolis, made $70k (his wife was more like $40k), bought a $180k 4-bed house. Paid it off in 5-6 years. And I'm in Toronto, and I call realtors advertising condos in the "low $400s" and it's a 250 sq ft studio.
And if you say, "Well, don't live in the Toronto area, go elsewhere," well, I've tried that. Unfortunately, I immigrated here for the type of jobs that only exist in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver. And that's the story for many Canadian immigrants. We look at friends and family in the US whose houses are 2x their household income and cry.
very rellatable. All of my friends working in tech in the US earn 2-3x more them me and enjoy reasonable housing prices. And I'm stuck here in Vancouver. Not to mention the much nicer weather in many parts of the US.
@@nicktankard1244Where did your friend find a 4 bedroom house for only 180k???
The thing is, Canada really isn't that big, given that almost the entire population lives in a tiny sliver of the geography, and Toronto and Vancouver have insane housing prices already. Expansive immigration policy without a similar plan for housing means thise immigrants will eventually end up in the US. And I am an immigrant from Canada to the US.
yeah agreed, Canada and frankly the USA need affordable housing for everyone in their countries.
Nope, immigration is only good, stop your bigotry now. When Central Bank digital currency grows out enjoy your low credit score.
@@shzarmaiand a better job at trying to create jobs in smaller cities. Imo it seems the US is a lot more diversified in its highly skilled job market across many cities.
@@ac1455Could you imagine trying to bring immigrants to Regina or Saskatoon?😂😂. And those towns are tiny compared to Kansas City, Charlotte or Nashville.
The AVERAGE price of a house in Ottawa is around 600,000. The most embarrassing part is that Randy Boissonnault, the Associate Minister of Finance, was asked directly that question 13 TIMES but refused to answer, he responded something else that has nothing to do with the question "What's the average price of a house in Ottawa?". The video is on UA-cam is so frustrating.
As someone who works within the immigration system in Canada, I feel you did a good job on this and presented this in a simple way that is consumable for most people. Obviously our system has its flaws and it is quite difficult for some people however at the end of the day it is a much more transparent and fair system.
Good. Take the immigrants. The US treats its own citizens bad, but Canada seems to be on another level. Have fun with your housing crisis that you exacerbate by your crazy immigration laws.
One big flaw, most immigrants in Canada barely speak English and you can go to lots of suburbs in Canada and not be able to receive service in english.
@@mitchellmccallum9778 Do they speak French or Spanish?
@@himanshusingh5214Spanish is relatively rarely spoken in Canada. About 1 million Canadians speak Spanish, but that out of about 40 million Canadians.
@@himanshusingh5214 I think the commenter was referring to neighbourhoods with large first-generation immigrant populations. But I personally am not concerned about that because second (and especially third) generation immigrants will have strong English (and/or French) and will be better integrated. So, whatever, if you ask me. Keep the immigrants coming, Canada is a huge country with a small population.
The one thing this video doesn't mention is the TN visa which lets Canadians work in the US without going through the H1-B lottery. In the best case, an immigrant to Canada can be a citizen in 3.5 years and then easily work in the US via the TN visa. Boom.
The TN visa can be a blessing and a curse. It is easy to get initially. But then the more number of times you renew, the more scrutiny you will face because it is supposed to be a temporary visa, not a visa with immigration intent like H-1B.
But you can also apply for H1B as Canadians. So I think it is an absolute win.
@@junzhengcaa green card is based on your country of birth though so they’ll still be stuck in the US green card hell
TN visas don't entitle you to live in the US permanently, and isn't a path to a green card or citizenship. It's also linked to an employer so if you lose your job you have 60 days to find a new job to sponsor you, or leave. If you have a spouse or child they would be entitled to study, but not work. Your footing in the US is still very precarious on a TN.
@@Victor-sb3rv Litterally. Based on a country I never CONSCIOUSLY lived in, that I dont even speak the language of, and I have no relation to other than genetic.
Sometimes I wish I was born like a few years earlier like my siblings. They dont gotta deal with any of that if they wanna immigrate lmfao
One minor nitpick - please make it more clear when you're using Canadian vs American dollars, as the American dollar is worth ~30% more than the Canadian dollar. (When you're comparing wages and house prices, for example.)
I'm a Chinese Born Canadian trying for a green card and this hits close to home.
I have a coworker grew up in the Midwest, who doesn't know how to read or write Chinese but faced the risk of being deported back to China because his father never managed to get a green card. This guy had a PhD in Machine Learning and was one of the smartest people i knew.
I would've felt supremely guilty if i'd won the lottery but he was stuck on his student visa, given that I can work in the US on a TN but he needs an H1B to stay.
Yeah , the canadian system really is a blessing for skilled immigrants. And very honorable system! I appreciate it a lot.
the fucked up thing though is; if he chooses to go back to china today, he can most likely double his tc and move up very quickly in the mgmt chain at any of the big tech companies; the amount these companies are willing to pay to poach away good talent from the us is insane. you do have to be willing to navigate the language and business culture problem though
unfortunately for your friend, if he got deported, he stands zero chance of integrating with society there if he doesn't speak the language. the reading and writing part can actually be worked around given that written coms can be translated, and a lot of big tech companies like bytedance is okay with english emails (but most meetings are still in verbal chinese)
im sure your friend is gonna be fine regardless. he's got a phd in a stem field, meaning his gc processing is prob eb1. and even if he does get deported, im sure he can easily find a home in singapore, or if he's willing to take a gamble, in shanghai where if he's able to communicate verbally, he's gonna get a lot of great offers. will obviously have to reset life and start over and all. but hey, at least tc is 2x :|
although the window for that is quickly closing. i remember during the pandemic, i got a 450k usd tc offer to join a tencent subsidary. was much higher than any of the other competing offers i had at the time. but i couldn't wrap my head around the fact that i had 0 allies in that org and chinese companies are well known for hiring fast, testing the waters, and equally firing super fast if they can't extract value from you. ended up passing on that offer; even though the next best offer was like half that amount, in hind sight; had i got a little more balls, i probably should've went for it.
also ended up moving to shanghai temporarily (as work is fully remote now) just to see what it's like. honestly, the city is pretty rad post covid. it's so fucking convinient. i have heard the horror stories of what happened during covid; but hey, i wasn't there, and it's pretty great now. kinda regret not taking the leap of faith a few years ago.
anyway; good luck to your friend. again im sure he'll be fine
@@universalsorrowAre you of Chinese ethnicity? Im also considering making the jump.
That’s another issue tho. Did they come to the US legally? Otherwise why would they be out of status and face the risk of being deported? Meanwhile, you came here legally and so you shouldn’t feel guilty about this.
Hong Kong can take him. Then become perm citizen. Overseas Chinese visas and also descent from hk 2nd gen
Watching this episode brought tears to my eyes. I was in Sanjay’s shoes way back in the late 90s and the early 2000s. It was so difficult to get a company that is willing to sponsor you for a H1B visa. I was on my second H1B when 911 happened, and soon after my company’s mood changed and they wouldn’t sponsor me for a green card. So despite spending nearly 12 and a half years in the US by the end of it, I had to leave.
sorry man. Where are you now?
@@sulkelhe is at a place no one could imagine - sadness
Man that really sucks
@@sulkel I returned home in Hong Kong and had to start everything from scratch. Then things turned bad there when the government started to crack down on the pro-democracy movement. Long story short, I am now in the UK, and just now restarted my life all over again, it seems.
Sorry you had to go through all that just due to your nationality. I hope the UK is more welcoming.
I'm a US citizen who lived in Australia for 2 years. The process there is very similar to Canada's but with a slightly stronger tilt towards specific skills. The recession hit in 2014 and, without a sponsor, they weren't renewing most visas so we had to GTFO. I'm still sad about it. Obviously my life in the States is nothing to cry about but our life in Oz was amazing..
@@KaleighCee Unfortunately, its the american corporate way.
Another important factor is that America employers didn’t ask me when I came here from Canada : do you have any American experience? For them, an experience that can make them money is a good experience. However, when I was in Canada no employers were willing to give me an interview because I immigrated to Canada from China with no Canadian experience. Canadian immigration system might be more transparent and better than the American one, but their job market is not that welcoming
This is what I have heard from my friends in the oil industry
Canada is much more open to immigrants, yet its not nearly the same case for its job market isn’t? Interesting…….
I posted something similar in a comment. This is a good video, but anyone who has immigrated to Canada or lived there as a foreign student or worker knows that it's not a bed of roses. The countries are different - America is a lottery and if you win, potentially you win big. Canada is a safer bet - one that suited me more. But like I said in my own comment - what you get in the end is fairly lackluster. And it's become even worse post-pandemic, considering the increase in cost-of-living and housing.
Plus if you're really talented - like the sort of people Canada selects for immigration - you end up nonetheless with a crappy job that doesn't use or encourage you cultivating your talents because sadly, in the end, the economy just isn't that dynamic.
As a fellow Canadian myself I'm sorry to hear you had to deal with that.
One factor is that the immigrants that Americans are used to, are the insanely high quality immigrants with 50 PHD's that came on an E-1 visa.
Canadian managers gotta deal with alot more international students.
Might sound racist, but honestly they dont care as long as you know how to communicate properly.
As an irish person currently working in the US on a tempory Visa who wants to stay longer I agree, the system truely is fucked
Consider yourself lucky not being from India or China, you can also participate in green card lottery.
Fall in love
Just walk across the Mexico border or pay a smuggler
It wouldn't be fucked if people actually didn't overwhelm US Immigration by coming in illegally. You would probably have no problem staying longer or even getting a citizenship if it weren't for the mass migration from South and Central America. As an immigrant who's now 42 and have been here since I was 17 days old, extreme migration is destroying American culture because we're bending the laws for those who don't play by our culture. My old neighborhood is like little Guatemalan El Salvadoran PR DR city. It's chaotic, it's loud, too much. The broken border is killing those who want a chance to live the American dream, people like yourself who want to stay a little longer, and many others. They say diversity brings in prosperity, no it doesn't. Too much actually bring in clash of culture. I might be Asian by race, but I bleed the Stars and Stripes. I proudly wave the US flag in front of my home, I can't say the same for latin migrants, there's all types of flags in my old neighborhood, just not a US one.
But anyways, good luck to you on the Visa. Hope you're enjoying the US, was better under Trump to be honest, crime was lower and everything was cheaper, maybe you can stay to witness a rebirth of the US way of life.
As a Canadian software developer, I would just never talk about salary packages with colleagues in the south 😂
Lol.
Maybe try working remotely.
They are not that off. People, dont believe what indeed puts as salary. They are paying low over here too
I am a software developer too, There is no company in the US that could pay me enough money to go live in the US.
@@olafsigursons Nobody asked
People don't realize that the vast majority of software developer in the US don't work in San Francisco or NY. Most people are scattered in smaller mid-tier and lower population centers where the salaries are more in line with the area they live in. Sure they are still higher than most jobs but they are not obscene like they are in those big cities.
I have mixed feelings about this video. This video does a good job outlining the immigration process but it does not highlight any of the negative consequences of immigration that Canada is experiencing. One of the main reasons why cost of living is so high in Toronto and Vancouver is precisely because we have so many immigrants coming in without enough housing supply. This is by design because politicians and the upper class have a vested interest in keeping real estate prices high because so much of their net worth is tied up in the housing market.
Another negative is that employers hire immigrants working low skilled jobs and pay them less than Canadians because the immigrants are willing to be taken advantage of since they're just happy to have a job in Canada which pays better than their country.
Another myth that gets repeated is that Canadian takes immigrants out of compassion and unfortunately a lot of Canadians believe this. It was never about compassion, it's about bringing more people to 1) pay taxes to support our social welfare as Canadian birth rates decline and boomers retire, 2) keep housing costs high and 3) pay immigrants lower wages for the same work because immigrants are fine being exploited since they have a job in a first world country.
Another problem is the cultural shift. In the most immigrant-dense regions you'll find that many immigrants themselves surprisingly don't want more immigrants coming to Canada because they see these negative consequences. The people who are most pro-immigration have no problem cramming 8+ people in a basement and exploiting their labour because they make enough money to live in communities that immigrants can't afford, and so they don't have to deal with the cultural shift that's taking place. This is NOT the fault of immigrants, but rather the politicians who put economic growth over quality of life. Over HALF the people in the GTA weren't born in Canada, so they didn't go through our school system and have no connection to our culture. Canada is unfortunately going to become very racist over the next 10-20 years as Canadians start feeling like outsiders in their own country. It's somehow considered racists to criticize the effect of multiculturalism on social unity, yet the cultures we accept in Canada only became distinct cultures because of monoculturalism.
I agree 100% with your analysis. The worst part is UK is 20 years ahead of Canada in terms of immigration and their social charges are unbearable. NHS is crippling the country, home prices skyrocket, crime is higher than ever.
Yea, Canada has huge problems now, I can't imagine in a decade or so how bad it will get.
Also its becoming less white
Well said. Many good points and all true. I always thought this multiculturalism thing was a terrible idea. It almost feels like segregation in another guise. In the United States there is a strong emphasis placed in you being American first, which seems to add strength to the country and build social unity and cohesion. In Canada the country seems to be diluting its identity.
Yep, your analysis is spot on. Brampton for example literally needs to investigate caste discrimination. Canada is importing all of India's ethnic and social systems and tensions.
One aspect of the H1-B system that is not entirely clear from this video is that while you are tied to the employer who sponsored your H1-B visa, it is entirely possible to shop around and receive a job offer from a different employer. At that point, your new employer will have to sponsor a H1-B visa for you BUT you do not have to enter the lottery again and it's typically as simple as having the visa "transferred" over to the new employer.
Yeah, but your ass is still gonna be kicked out after 6 years of working for the USA, paying taxes, aiding the economy, and making friends.
I was thinking the same thing. the H1-B is a "closed work permit". In Canada, we also have closed work permits that are tied to LMIAs. In my view, this is modern slavery. Workers may be victims of abuse, afraid to speak up. We try our best to help our clients get open work permits, like the PGWP.
13:06 when I was a kid I sometimes watched a show called “million dollars homes” or something. They were huge with indoor pools, massive kitchens, game rooms, etc. Just pure luxury.
A couple months ago a house down my street was sold for well over a million dollars. We are far from living like those people in that show.
That's why it is foolish to base your view of reality on the shows your corporate owned media shows you.
Canada' more open immigration system is a great bonus for them relative to the US that being said they can't capitalize on it if they don't build the housing and transportation access to support the newcomers. New housing units are trailing incoming immigrants by a lot.
So, tax the citizens to pay for facilities and shelter for foreigners.
I think it would be a good idea to incentive immigrants to head to places that are not Toronto and Vancover. God knows other cities would like the additional population.
@@chriswatson1698 many of these people are very wealthy and will quickly be able to afford a down-payment on a market value house provided housing supply keeps up with demand
@@chriswatson1698No, just stop with stupid zoning laws, let builders BUILD
@@lucastulha2578 More building generates a drop in living standard for many, and all for the sake of foreigners.
I evaluated migrating to canada about 15 years ago. Unfortunately after spending one winter in Calgary, I decided against it. It's too bloody cold.
Good get out.
Despite the fake surveys, real candians with a lineage in Canada have deep hatreds of immigrants. Especially Indians.
Get Out.
Ironically, Calgary has the most immigrants from hot tropical countries who somehow brave the bitter cold. Comedian Jim Gaffigan even has a bit about it.
@@greatbalance Good for the carbon footprint. LOL
A lot of people miss that most of Canada is basically Alaska. This year actually had a warmer winter but that just means there was a warm day here and there between 6 months of freezing rain and snow.
Yes, because Canada’s system is so perfect, they have “doctors and engineers” forming lines to apply outside of McDonalds lol
I was a French exchange student for my masters at UCSD. I met my current fiancé a couple years ago at the start of my masters and he proposed right before I left. I just got my appointment at the Paris embassy, a year after we started the K1 visa process. It’s a long, expensive and very frustrating process but I can’t wait to marry him and go to the beach again! When we first submitted our application and we looked at the wait times with the lawyer, I was so relieved to see that for French immigrants, the wait times are 1/10th of most other countries. China, Philippines, India and South American countries have it way worst. Great video as usual ❤
Yeah, that’s a feature of the system, not a bug.
Our system might not be explicitly racist anymore, but it’s using wealth and education as a proxy to provide similar incentives to would-be immigrants from European countries.
@@saahiliyer11 It's not about race, it's about quantity. If 1,000,000 each of Indians and Chinese apply, then the 500 French people will NEVER get in. It's not racist, it's just maths. 😒 (Then again, the pro-unlimited-immigration people think maths is racist now, so… 🤷)
so won't Indians, either. It's fair, innit?
@@I.____.....__...__Sounds like immigration version of affirmative action for white immigrants. French white immigrants in your case. 😁
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As someone who works for an immigration firm, I didn't quite understand why there were so many Canadian foreign national until now. Well done
Yep. Man it sucks how to the states, im basically considered a citizen of a country I litterally have never even been conscious in.
Just cus I was born there. I dont even speak the language bruh.
Either its 20 year wait times, or I get married to someone born here and get the chargeability changed.
Where do you work? I work at an immigration firm in Winnipeg. I love it!
What’s missing is that, in Canada, foreign credentials and eduction are not recognized. Furthermore, it’s is extremely difficult to get into a university here.
Most immigrants come as professionals from their previous home nation and end up driving Uber and running gas stations tills. Typically, as was pointed out, legal immigrants to the USA earn higher wages and live more prosperously.
It's not hard to get into university. It's only hard to finish because they kick a lot of people out due to low marks
@@andrewleung5049 how exactly do i get into a University
without giving GRE's, GMAT's?
International credential certificates work wonders for non-protected and non-academic fields. It's hard to find jobs in their fields for foreignly trained MD, JD and PhD, but accountants and whatnot will be fine.
It's not true that foreign credentials and education are not recognized. It may depend on the field you're in, whether your degrees are equivalent to Canadian degrees. Typical engineering degrees are equivalent and are accepted, as were mine.
Simply untrue. Depends on the profession and the university. In professions that need licensing like Doctors, ofcourse they want their own licensing enforced. I have a degree from a US university in CS and got a 6 figure job in software engineering in Canada from my first day, no issues. If you got your degree from the university of oogabooga whachumacallit, it will not be recognized. Doesn't mean Canada doesn't recognize foreign education, it absolutely does.
The situation for medical professionals in Canada is dire. There aren't enough practitioners and Canada makes it impossible for internationally trained practitioners to practice here. This may be worthy of a video
Didn't one candidate promise to remove all red tape for these professionals? How is he doing in the polls?
So true. I believe the medical industry is so afraid of their monopoly they have created enough red tape to prevent any foreign medical professional from coming in. It will never be solved. I can a guarantee you that. It happens in the US too but to a slightly lesser degree. Even though healthcare is basically free you cannot find a Doctor in Toronto.
ngl that might help canada. as an american who also won’t ever be a doctor all i see is foreign doctors. on the military side and civilian the doctors are usually indian or from some other country. i have no issue with it like i said i don’t care to be a doctor but that’s how americans look at the mexicans about jobs. they think immigrants are stealing their jobs. the low end jobs definitely not but for doctor jobs america should be more like canada and actually support it’s people
Not to mention our medical school admissions are fucked to hell lmao 😅
@LeonardoGrimaldiS The west trains women who all go part time, that is the problem, not immigration.
Worth noting that a good portion of those engineers settling in Canada are doing so to gain Canadian Citizenship to allow them to immigrate to the US, where they can make more money.
A very small percentage of the total
It's a minuscule percentage. My sister worked in the field and has told me that it's pretty uncommon (and overblown in the media).
US cares more about where you were born rather than your citizenship. You can be a Canadian citizen but if you were born in India, you are put in the Indian wait list
@@condorb7756 As one of those "immigrants who tend to remit a portion of their earnings to their countries of origin", I can tell you that I send maybe 10% of my income to help my family out. You have absolutely no idea what a couple hundred dollars mean to people in poorer countries.
I am generating waaaaaayyyy more than what I send back. And don't forget that I paid for my education in Canada with a lot of money from overseas. Just to even out that one initial cost, I'll have to send money out for three years or more, at this current rate.
BTW why in the world did you spam this same question everywere in here?????
@@condorb7756 but Canada also allows family unification, it's even easier than in the US. There's a super visa for parents and grandparents that used to allow them to visit for 2 years and this year they changed it to 5 years, and it's renewable. Spouses and kids get PR together with the main applicant.
It's not that America emphasizes family unification, it's just the only way possible for most people. The percentages are high, but the raw values are still lower than Canada. I bet that there's a lot of fake marriages inflating those stats too.
The funny thing is you didn’t even touch on how in Canada you can get permanent residency in just 3 years by going to a college here and working at a Tim Hortons. I really wish that was an exaggeration.
Where can I live while attending school and serving northern black water?
Working at a Tim Hortons wont do, it must be a skilled job. But college in Canada isn't even necessary, I never even visited Canada before and got PR.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377packed up with 6 other people in a 2 bedroom apartment
@@EnricoDias the TFW program helps circumvent the need to get a skilled job to apply for PR.
Though it’s still shocking to hear how easy it is to move to Canada sometimes.
@@EnricoDias going to a school and working a minimum wage job is how most immigrants from India or phillipines do it.
As a Canadian born with immigrant parents, nearly everytime I ask one of my international student friends why they came to Canada instead of the USA, they tell me it's because its way easier to get into Canada 😂
People who go to the west dont come to uphold the values of what made the country great in the first place, they just come to scavenge a rotting corpse before its stripped to the bone.
I don't think anyone truly understands how difficult, time-consuming and painful the US immigration process is unless they either work in the system or have immigrated. My dad has been waiting for an F4 visa since 2007 (priority date December 2007) to come to the US and be reunited with his family, It doesn't look like he'll get the visa within the next 5 years even though he's been waiting for 16 years.He's just one of the millions of people trapped in the broken American immigration system.His experience has thought me to never even try to immigrate to the US.
I graduated from the one of the top engineering universities in Canada (a place that Facebook hires the most engineers from). I was born in India and moved here as a kid. despite the fact I am Canadian Citizen and specialize in semiconductor engineering (something that is needed badly in US) it is nearly impossible for me to emigrate there and have a chance at citizenship or green card. It is quite a frustrating process. US Immigration system and the uncertainty surrounding it is one of the biggest reasons I have not gone down for even work.
Why don’t you marry an American? I’m sure it can’t be that hard
What university did you graduate from?
Maybe just stay in the jungle? At least learn to use deodorant so you don't stink up the bus
@@Church_Of_Ryan-tology I graduated from UWaterloo with most of my coops being in materials engineering field
Well yeah because half of India and China want to immigrate here. What do you expect? Why would it be easy? And its far easier to immigrate to the US than any other country in the world simply because the US accepts the most sheer number of immigrants, and has the lowest standards for immigrants.
Rohan will never be able to afford a home in Canada, his earnings will lag far behind his American equivalent and once he is skilled enough, he will most likely begin the process to move to the US.
In the mean time thanks to Rohan for delevring my food and washing dishes,
Meanwhile he’s probably highly educated twice as much as average candian
This is me.
it is interesting how eager Canadians are to wish misery on imaginary foreigners
must be a country full of assholes
Better than getting deported after spending a decade building a life in a country.
I'm not an immigration expert or an economist, but the problem with Canada isn't our immigration system, but WHAT the immigrants do afterwards. Sure, we take in hundreds of thousands of them...but for what jobs? Is Canada, for example, a truly dynamic tech hub? At one point yes, but only briefly and it seems like that process has stalled out considerably since the pandemic.
Do we have the infrastructure for all of these people or are we adding hundreds of thousands of new competitors for housing? We have population growth, but the wages are so uncompetitive that it increasingly feels like Canada is inviting immigrants in to build the country...but Canadians have to create things for them to build or else, this doesn't really work, and these highly mobile, educated people will end up leaving (which is already a problem).
The Trudeau govt destroyed our biggest industry, our housing market and now the imigration system, the liberals want everyone poor and dependent on the social welfare programs so that they keep voting for them.
White Canadians need to have more babies…plain and simple.
Why do you want Canada to turn Asian?
Yeah. I think the same. The problem with Canada is you guys don't have enough work and houses. All want to live in the South, but it's impossible.
As an immigration lawyer, I agree 100%. I met with a Chinese actuary (multiple advanced degrees, brilliant STEM mind) and she was working as a Manager at Tim's to get PR. I met with a Ukrainian opera singer who is doing admin work. As noted in the video, the Canadian system is focused on the individual's potential, based on their background and experience. Int'l students can easily get open work permits to work for any company. American students apply for H1-Bs, which is modern slavery.
0:01: 🇨🇦 Canada has a higher percentage of immigrants than the United States and is attracting young professionals in fields like engineering, medicine, and science.
3:41: 😔 The H-1B visa process for immigrants in the US is challenging and uncertain, with limited spots available and a lottery system determining selection.
6:09: 🛂 The process of obtaining a green card in the US is complex and restrictive, with long waiting times and limited opportunities to change employers.
9:24: 💼 High-skill workers prefer immigrating to Canada due to its transparent and predictable immigration process, immediate permanent residency, and equal treatment regardless of nationality, despite lower salaries compared to the US.
13:06: 🏡 The high cost of housing in Canada compared to lower salaries is discouraging immigrants from settling there, while the broken American immigration system is pushing them towards Canada.
15:25: 🇨🇦 Canada is pro-immigrant and supports a multicultural society, with a majority of its political parties and citizens in favor of immigration.
Recap by Tammy AI
Why did you take time out of your day to do this
@@cjxo8432Probably leaving summaries about that topic.
Nice recap!
I'm the first generation born of immigrants and I'm all for people coming to Canada, but we still cant even figure out our housing situation so ya it's nice our population is growing but with that comes extraordinary housing prices. We need to build 1 million units of houses over the next 4 years just to catch up with housing demand here in Ontario, yet we are building ~200,000 a year so it'll just get worse year after year.
Need to keep bringing in people to keep the population bubble afloat.
Lobby for infrastructure and more housing. It's possible.
And banning'ish foreign investors will not help, limiting the housing supply even further than other regulations already have.
One must love Trudeau.
Bro, the migrants coming in (that you’re mentioning when you talk about the housing) are more skilled than you☠️ if you think a migrant is competing with YOU for housing, you’re either low income, or that migrant is more skilled than you. So what are you talking about ☠️ this is the same with “migrants taking our jobs” they’re either taking the high tech jobs that are in a shortage, or hospitality/something like that
That isnt an immigration issue, that is a public spending issue. Years of underinvestment in affordable housing in the wider west.
That housing supply and demand delta isnt a gap that immigration policy can influence.
As a Canadian and child of immigrants, we honestly are using immigration as a Band-Aid fix to plug the lower income jobs that many of the wealthier people in this country don't want to do (I say this as a more well off person myself). This creates a very classist behaviour from many people who've lived here for longer - the whole "immigrants took our jobs" angry statement is very abundant here.
I don't see a way out of this politically because literally every major political party in this country (Leftist NDP/Centre-right Liberals/Right-wing Conservatives) all preach immigration which continues to keep demand - and therefore costs - of pretty much everything sky high, including housing, food and transportation.
Also, I know there's a lot of angry anti-Trudeau folks in the comments of videos like these, many of whom I know are Conservative supporters, but please take a step back and realize that they too endorse immigration booms but also deregulation of existing systems which are already failing because of it, especially the current populist leader of that party, Pierre Pollieve.
Don't tear down every system that's broken, or you will lie in a bed made of nothing.
immigrants didn't just take our jobs, they took my life from me. I'll never have a stake in this country through a residence of some sort. If we have nothing keeping us happy, then expect a violent revolution.
It’s also critical to balance an aging population with a net negative birth rate. It’s as much about long term economics as it is low paying jobs. Japan and China are heading for economic collapse as their populations age, and they have no immigration.
DEY TERK ER JERBS
It doesn't make sense to say that low income immigrants are keeping prices high. There's a wide range of immigrants, some of them wealthy.
It's not just low wage jobs. The H1B's stipulation of "no less than the prevailing wage" is there for a reason. Canadian Engineers can earn less than pre-school teachers in part because the market is flooded.
As a Canadian with family in the US, I will say this. My cousin and her husband are leading medical doctors in their field. They both left NY to go back to Montreal. Another cousin is a corporate lawyer who also moved back to Canada, even though he made a lot of money. In all three cases, they did not want their children growing up in the US. Random violence was a major concern, indeed, Canada has a travel advisory on the US for this reason. Also, my cousin could not take the private health care system. She wanted to treat ppl regardless of insurance and in the US she couldn't while in Canada, cost is never a concern. My lawyer cousin also disliked the US private medical system. Rather than his doctor having control it was his insurance company. Lastly, was the quality of life. All three mentioned that the food supply in the US is way too processed.
Absolutely. There’s so much more to quality of life than income and housing prices.
These are pretty much the motivating factors that incited me to leave the United States and immigrate to Canada (and the price of higher education !) I'm so happy in Québec now and it feels much more like my home than the US ever did.
don't the exact same food producers operate in canada? I know canada has significantly better standards on food quality than the US, but you aren't going to get a wildly different experience, right?
Canada is too expensive to live in. The US is so much cheaper.
Quebec has a very good quality of life but Anglo Canada has a lot of those issues but the same or even worse, especially that processed food and cost of living.
For someone in the high tech industry like me, it's the Great North American Paradox of Canada-vs-USA. Canada needs immigrants and welcomes immigrants but has no high volume of high tech jobs for the highly skilled immigrants. The USA has the biggest volume of high tech jobs for highly skilled immigrants but has a broken immigration system where the highly skilled immigrants are living in a limbo.
Canada wants highly skilled immigrants, but the socialism of the country just prevents any business from being made with it.
We all must bow down to our monopolized corporate overlords
The obvious solution is US companies just need to open subsidiaries in Canada haha
@@danielmogilny1188 Many of them do. But they pay workers according to the job market of the office location.
@@danielmogilny1188 That would be good, but I think they're afraid of the Canadian taxation.
You don't even need to study or work in Canada to get permanent residency, I just filled some forms online, got invited, showed some documents and got mine. I never even visited the country before and the first time I landed was as a PR.
A college in Canada is the long route to get PR, but it's pretty much guaranteed. If you already have work experience outside Canada, 2 diplomas and good english/french you can go straight to PR.
Same, except they put me in a 2-year-long security screening hole
Hey. I'm from Kenya, how do I increase my chances of getting a nomination from Ontario?
What? How is that even possible? And if that were true, why would people go through the cost and time on getting a Canadian degree or work exp there before getting PR? Could you explain a bit more in detail how you did it?
@@dennis.mwangi They have lists of occupations in demand, you just need to have work experience in one of those and hope they pick your profile in the EE.
@@MihikChaudhari Search for Express Entry. People go through college when they don't have enough points to receive an invitation in the express entry or they don't qualify due to lack of a diploma or work experience.
Basically if you have 18yo your only option is a college + pgwp. If you already have a diploma and 3+ years of work experience you could be invited via EE and go straight to PR.
Some professions also need a diploma in Canada anyways. A lawyer from a civil law country can't even do the bar exam in a common low country like Canada.
Would you please consider doing a video like this for Australia?
I can do a short answer for you right now. The government is letting in far too many immigrants and hopefully will get voted out at the next election.
Nobody wants to go there
@tazgunnar9216 315,000 would disagree with you.
@@tazgunnar9216 Australia has had to increase its annual intake limit of immigrants because it routinely maxes out immigration numbers every year. It's a highly sought-out place to emigrate to.
Why would anyone want to go there? 90% of Australia is an uninhabitable desert, and the 10% is still suffering from severe weather all the time. It's either floods or fires. Not a pleasant place to live.
I'm gonna propose something not so crazy because Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the US all do different parts of these already - that any country that's majority English speaking/common law based legal system can opt in to standardize credentials for high school, university, and trade schools. Each country publishes an annual skills shortage list and any citizen of those countries with the right credentials can apply for a work permit (so you can be properly vetted) that becomes valid with a job offer. The US & Canada already do this for select occupations through NAFTA and Aussies can already effectively move to the US under the E-3 visa program. I'm American but went to university in Australia. It's really silly that we don't already do this. I also live in Florida now and work with people from Trinidad, Jamaica, Bahamas, etc. and it's such an unnecessarily burdensome process to hire a professional who you know already has the credentials and work experience.
My point is why is Sanjay going through so much hassle.
Get the degree, work for the 3 years, pay back the loans then leave and serve back in India!
Just like he said he would when applying for student visa
As a first gen Chinese American, and to be fair to the US, please remember (1) US has a border with Mexico, which means illegal immigration is so much bigger than legal ones that it sucks up much of the government immigration resources. (2l when the US population is as small as Canada's today, US was not only letting in people from all over the world but also giving them free land (google the homestead acts).
Canada prosecutes and jails employers of "illegals". If the US did that they'd prolly not have the "illegal" problem nearly as bad.
This. In fact when the US had Canada's current population it was letting in even MORE immigrants per capita, pretty much anyone who bothered to show up on America's shores was let in. Now we're a well stablished country with over 330 million people, having lax immigration laws just wouldn't make sense. And just like you said we deal with illegal immigration far more than Canada does. There's over 1 million ILLEGAL immigrants moving to the US every year.
In regard to number 1, I don't particularly see how illegal immigrants would keep them from priotising legal applications from extremely skilled individuals they know their economy needs.
Especially when they understand that their outdated laws, policy and arbitrarily low acceptance rates for the kind of visa said high skilled individuals need to be a benefit to their country, are the main issue towards them being there legally.
Updating the infrastructure necessary to change that and manning it wouldn't take away from the systems built to tackle illegal immigration. Because despite being a part of the same organisation, they're two different departments with little overlap, because they tackle different issues.
Regarding number 2, they were not letting the world in lol. They only let people from Europe in during the time period you're thinking of. They had an active ban on *everyone* from China (this after having 1000s of Chinese immigrant labourers building the transcontinental rail roads, and the fallout of having to deal with them once the work was done because America was an incredibly racist country); along with an impossibly low, practically non existent acceptance rate for people from Asia outside of China.
And it didn't end there, there was a ban on everyone from Africa (even Morocco weirdly enough, considering they were one of the first countries to officially recognise the US as a country); a ban on anyone who practiced Islam (yes this was a thing before trump lol, he was just playing the hits); and outside of temporary work permitance for labourers from Mexico (they had to cross the border back there once they were done working) a low, practically non existent acceptance rate for people from Central and South America.
They weren't letting the world in by any metric, they were letting Europeans in and that was mostly due to the conflict engulfing the continent at the time. Had it not been present that era would've looked quite different. It's precisely why those homesteading acts were (despite saying they were for everybody) only available to White people. Indigenous, Black, and the very small minority of Asian and Latin American US citizens couldn't access them.
The removal of those bans and subsequent uptick in those groups of people in the US population didn't occur until the 60s because the civil rights act is what allowed them to immigrate, and even then. The visa to immigrate came with some big caveats for would be takers.
@@MegaHAZE21You’re so good like a teacher.
Canada wants permanent immigrants, not temporary workers, and makes it harder to hire foreign workers by requiring companies to apply for LMIA that takes months to be approved, if approved. The US (and most other countries) wants the opposite, and as soon as you are no longer necessary they kick you out. This gives visa holders a disadvantage related to other workers in the same industry since they are tied to an employer and can't just quit. In fact, they are at a mercy of the employer and are likely to work harder for a lower salary. Yeah, their average pay is higher than the country average, but it is still lower than other workers with the same skills.
I think you may have missed the point, here. The US doesn’t want “temporary” workers, but simply prefers immigrants who already have a connection to the US, as discussed in the video (family members, fiancé, etc). Additionally, while there’s certainly significant incentive for them to work much harder than other employees, none of those visa hires are being paid less than similarly employed workers with the same skills. It’s literally federal law that they must be paid *at least* as much as other similarly employed workers with the same skills/qualifications. Congress did that precisely to protect Americans from effectively being replaced by lower-cost immigrant workers. Each time their visas need to be renewed their compensation, as well as those of others who do the same jobs at their employers, is submitted for scrutiny. If they were being paid less, their employers would be in some deep 💩 that would end up costing much more than any money they might’ve saved on salaries. No sensible employers are crazy enough to mess around with that.
@@Antonio-wh3oq Soft engineers are paid differently for the same position in the same company. That's the standard in almost every IT company. They make an offer based on how well the candidate did in the interview process. The promotions follow the same scheme. Even thought it's ilegal to discriminate, proving that foreign workers are receiving less due to their immigration status rather than their performance is a whole other story. Workers that depend on the employer to remain in the country will always have a disadvantage, regardless of what the law says.
The US do want temporary workers, that's the whole reason for work visas in the first place. The family unification % is high because there is almost no other way to immigrate, but in raw numbers it's still less than Canada's. And I bet that there are a lot of fake marriages in the US boosting those numbers.
@@EnricoDias very interesting
Overall, I agree that you have summarized the difference in perspective. Indeed, since the Liberal gov was elected in 2016, they have been focused on making it easier to get PR status.
That's not true, there's the international mobility program that doesn't require a lmia from the employer
This is probably the best video on the topic! Extremely well researched and balanced to show both the pros and cons of each country
I am an immigrant to Canada, though I've lived here for over 45 years. I'm very happy my parents chose Canada.
However, Canada is facing an enormous housing shortage and our medical system is over-stressed. I'm all for accepting lots of immigrants, but we need to make sure our infrastructure and housing supply can keep up.
Yeah, Canada really needs to choose between socialism and neoliberal capitalism. You try both and you get modern Canada
Considering how ridiculously high Canadian housing prices are, it boggles my mind as to why they want even MORE immigration. How do ordinary people in Toronto or Vancouver even survive? Seriously.
i can only wonder if they're going to start populating their bumfuckistans. There's historical precedent for it after all, wouldn't be the first time a country essentially shoveled mass migrants to the "frontier" lands. It's the only reason cities such as Kansas City, Columbus, Denver and so many other places are populated today, let alone as important as they are.
We don't. No one voted for this. It's the established powers that be that want more immigrants to prop up their investment portfolio.
Because trudeau is wef stooge and cares more about furthering their agendas than improving actual canadians lives
They don't care about you
Canada has an aging population, and having an aging population means pensions are getting bigger. The government needs to pay those pensions but you don’t have anyone to tax to, as your population is aged and retired. So Canada prompted immigration to fill up the labour force and tax them to support pensions.
Unfortunately the influx of immigration was fast and the government didn’t consider the housing market, which led to this disaster.
Couldn't the argument be made that the huge per capita influx of immigrants is precisely why Canada's wages are so much lower than in US? It seems like a top priority of the US immigration system is to keep wages high for Americans. An ideal system probably lies somewhere in-between.
As a Canadian I can confirm this is one hundred percent the case. My industry (electrician) in my city has not seen a pay increase in 15 years because the influx of foreigners who are willing to do the job for less.
Yeah, I don't consider myself anti immigrant, and the part where your employer is disincentivized to sponsor your green card because you could leave is a *terrible* design for the system. But it's hard not to draw a correlation between the lower wages and higher housing cost of the higher immigration rate.
Even if the immigrants stop coming, companies still aren’t going to increase wages. They’ll just outsource the work if they can’t find domestic workers. Brexit caused a reduction in immigration but inflation is still soaring in the UK and wages aren’t any higher
@@DMSparkyBut, that kind of issue would be solved if there was a proper union set in place with negotiating power so that they can keep companies in check.
That's what Sweden and other Nordic countries do as well, effectively creating a minimum wage for each profession that follows inflation etc.
I know it might be a lot to ask for, but after having lived in a few countries, that system still seems to work best.
No, it couldn’t. Look at Brexit, the fact that the UK has less migrants didn’t had an impact in wages.
That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it. ~
George Carlin
Wow! This video is very informative and eye-opening for many prospective immigrants. Thank you. Keep up the excellent work!
Its the safe narrative excluding the immense externalized costs of immigration.
Yeah well in Canada the problem is for us fools who decided to do a STEM degree, we not only have to compete with our classmates in the job market, but also with all the immigrants who also have STEM degrees plus decades of experience. When you point out the wage gap, this is why and it is true in most STEM fields.
I have met many engineers who gave up looking for work and took up a trade which all too often actually pay more than what they would otherwise using their majors.
Yep. I work on H-1B visas. This year’s selection was pretty bad. Which is why we’re having a second lottery drawing sometime this year. Some other options are continuing to remain in school or looking into other visa types. Best to speak to an immigration attorney to see if you have other options.
You don’t have to leave the US to extend your H-1B status though… if you’ve been outside the us for any length of time you can also “recapture” those days to extend the length of your H-1B. Example: if you’ve been outside the US or in a different visa status, like H-4, for 30 days, you can push out your H-1B expiry date by an extra 30 days the next time you are submitting an extension.
I know the US immigration system better than most and this is one of the best videos I have ever seen explaining it in a simplified manner.
As someone who lived in Canada for 20+ years your video is extremely accurate and informative. I live around 35KM from downtown Toronto and a townhouse nearby sold for 2.4+Million not long ago and the wage is so bad here
Indeed, we moved from Toronto to Winnipeg. We have all the benefits of a multicultural city and housing is actually affordable.
Thank you for covering this topic, very well presented.
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Starting early is the best way of getting ahead to build wealth, investing remains a priority. I learnt from my last year's experience, i am able to build a suitable life because I invested early ahead this time
I urge everyone to start somewhere now no matter how small, this is literally the time for that, forget material things, don't get tempted,i became more better the moment i realized this
yeah investment is the key to sustaining your financial longevity but venturing into any legitimate Investment without a proper guidance of an expert can lead to a great loss too
exactly! That's my major concern and what kind of profitable business or investment can someone do with the current rise in economic downturn
When i was getting my Canadian permanent residence around 2015-2016, they didnt just automatically give it to you if you stayed and worked for 3 years after graduating. You had to gain at least one year of work experience in canada at a certain managerial level of seniority in those 3 years in order to qualify for permanent residence, which is very hard to do as a new graduate. I didnt manage to gain that full year in time before my 3 year work permit expired, so had to go through a very stressful experience of getting a temporary work permit for one more year tied to my shitty employer at the time. Only after that was I able to complete that required year as a manager and eventually qualify for PR. If they removed that rule since then, thats awesome
It looks like you applied through Express Entry. Is that right? For MPNP, some students can apply for PR immediately or other students have to work 6 months. And they do not need to work at "managerial level". We moved from Ontario to Manitoba in 2013 and it's extremely supportive for new immigrants.
Another thing enticing Canadian immigrants to move to the US is the high rate of tax that you have to pay in Canada as you earn more. The difference in tax amount is clear as night and day between Canada and the US
As an Irish American, it's wild to see how my ancestors were able to just dock off a boat and settle forever and generations later we closed the door behind us.
Got mine, no one else matters.
You are the reason we closed the door. 😂
Why do you think we closed the door? LOL
When your ancestors came there wasn’t a welfare program, and the consequences for refusing to integrate and or abide by local law generally resulted in death. Think carefully about why this was necessary and you’ll find out why you can’t just allow hordes of people to enter any 1st world country.
Its because wellfare system at the time was no existent. Today its different.
Also consider: 80-90% of Canada is uninhabited. They only live in like 5 metro areas☠️ so the areas are packed💀
yeah, thats why they made the immigration easier if destination is atlantic
I and my brother got post graduate degrees in the 90s in US and work on a temporary work permits in the US companies, however in the of 90s we had no choice but to move to Canada for the same reason mentioned in this video. We were not the only one but also majority of our friends in the similar situation did the same
I couldn’t agree more with the latter half of the video. As a person with a computer science degree, who has worked for a few years in Canada, I am very frequently thinking about trying to get a job somewhere in the US… I also can’t stand the long winters but that’s another thing entirely
"Only the employer can buy and give the worker the green card": some real slavery shit
yeah, and I thought the middle east was a little extreme with employers visas
true, I don't see any difference to the Arab countries' kafala system that so many people were slamming during the World Cup
It's a explicitly a temporary work visa, not permanent residency or a backdoor to permanent immigration. They can leave any time they want, and immigrate through the proper channels. Hardly "slavery shit". H1B is not for immigration.
you aren't entitled to live in the US If you don't like it leave and go to Canada.
The Green Card is with the intent that the employee will continue working there
Here is the questions I don't think you asked - Why are home prices so high in Canada and high tech wages so much lower? Could it be that the difference in immigration policy that keeps wages low via over supply and not policing foreign buyers of real estate?
Well our country is pretty centralized and bureacuratic.
When it comes to actually accomadating all those new immigrants, Trudeau just didnt think that far ahead.
Were having a population boom akin to the 1950s baby boom in America.
We have all these highly skilled people who are willing to work for piss poor salaries just to get by due to the cost of living.
Immigration does play a role. But high tech wages are comparatively low in other developed countries too, even if they don't have a high rate of immigration. There are simply fewer software companies and job in Canada, and an extreme lack of innovation. Nothing here compares to the silicon valley.
I'm currently a Chinese undergrad in the US on F1 (student visa) and my cousin is one of the lucky people who had a STEM OPT extension and got H1B on their first lottery. Witnessing her experience made me want to go to a Canadian grad school instead of an American one: she's been on her H1B for over 4 years without having been able to leave the country due to visa issues, yet she's nowhere close to getting a green card - she told me, just like those mentioned in the video, that she will move to Canada if there's still no sign of obtaining a green card in a couple of years.
I'd also like to thank you for making this video and spreading awareness of how difficult the American system is. As international students, things about immigration are like second nature to us, and we often forget that most people in the country we're migrating to have no idea of the process.
Well if your cousin is not married it sounds like a good time now lol
There are fewer jobs in Canada and everything here is more expensive than use and salaries are low. Immigration is easy but just know there are tradeoffs.
Canadian housing market crisis will definitely be a very interesting video. Cannot wait for it!
spoiler alert: It'll seem like a re-run
Japanese Property crash of 1991 will be part 1,
Albanian complete banking collapse of 1997 will be part 2,
Had an aunt who got into the united states before the quota system of 1960s was abolished.
My dad would have followed but the quotas for danes was spend.
She got married to a guy having an idea about hospital plastics and that made hundreds of millions.
I visited her from time to time and she was always kind to let her extended family stay. Eventhough we rarely agreed on anything...
She passed away from alzheimers this year.
I shall extend the same courtesy to my family as she showed...
Great video! US immigration system is soul crushing and very expensive. As a Korean Canadian (Scientist with a PhD) who immigrated to US in 2012, I was lucky to get my green card in 2020. Since then I sponsored my wife and my daughter but their immigration cases have been in limbo due to the pandemic and we are still waiting for their green cards. You made a great point about why many people wants to immigrate to US from Canada because of pay. It is true that same job in the US pays so much better but you forget to mention a few points that the higher pay in the US is not that much advantageous if you calculate the cost of other life expenses. Sure house is very expansive in Canada but it is expensive in the US too. I live in MA and the average price is so much expensive. Additionionally, important things in life are very expensive in the US compared to Canada such as Child care, children's education, health cares etc... Example: My friends from Quebec only pay 7$/day for daycare (~140$/month). My friends in Massassuchetts pays on average (2800$/month). My friends kids will pay around 2000$/year for university tuition if they go to an university in Quebec. My kid will have to pay around 10000$/year if she decides to go to in state university if not it could be more than 40000$/year. I know that health care system in Canada is not perfect but it is much cheaper. In US, it is so expansive. My daughter birth only costs us in Canada 100$. My friend kid birth in MA with a great health insurance cost more than 5000$. Without health insurance, it could go even higher. Now if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance so good luck if you become sick. Additionally, depending where you go in the US, they have a gun problem. Luckily for me, I live in MA where gun control is very strong. Anyway, this is just to tell you that higher pay isn't always better.
Gun control has nothing to do with it. This is a safe to live provided where in the US you live in. The problems are in the inner cities. Also, geographically where you live in the US determines the cost of living. I live in NW Ohio and everything is so cheap and affordable here.
@@FarmerBill-cl4rbyeah this person went to Massachusetts from Quebec which is Canadas only decently priced province.
Not my problem🇺🇸
@DrJinh007 as a scientist you should understand demographics, its not gun control, its simple as a demographic overlay.
I wish you best of luck on things here! I know it's been very difficult but it's pretty admirable to be fighting this hard! Maybe one day the immigration system will be easier for others.
Thanks for covering this!
Amazing presentation. Great investigative work.
Fundamental problem - foreign students are massively valuable to universities, and school ratings are massively reliant on foreign student attendance. Once a foreign student gets their degree, the uni has already profited.
I'm a former H1-B living in Canada and I look forward to going back to the U.S. I love Canada, but the low wages are low and the cost of living too high.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this forever
Thank you for creating content on the topic!
Or, Sanjay can just return to India and work there.
Props for the Toronto pronunciation 👏
"Then there's Canadian housing. An entire video should be devoted to this topic." -- Yes please!
Incredible content! Good job!
One thing that’s tossed out of consideration is that a higher skilled immigration rate means more skilled people in general competing for the same jobs and depressing already out of sync middle class wages, as a future Electrical Engineer I don’t want to compete with the best from India, China, Pakistan, etc, when I’m already competing with the best homegrown US candidates for ever more demanding and limited entry level engineering jobs
true
you know that if you have similar skills to those international students, the employer will surely pick you. And if you are not competent enough to work for a large corporate, there're always smaller firms welcoming you because they don't have the capacity to sponsor foreigners
It’s not about protecting you. America is powerful because it drains the brains of other countries. You might not want to compete, but tough shit. America would rather you lose than the country lose.
Wait a minute…. what happened to meritocracy? What happened to “the most qualified person gets the job”?
Now all of a sudden you don’t want to compete? Lmao
@jonathanjohnson9611 you'd have to be stupid to believe that we live in a meritocracy. Or that an average person even wants for the system to be meritocratic. Everyone's looking out for their own interests.
canada is growing in population. But its economy and housing supply is shrinking and wages arent rising either.
This reinforces the fact of Canada being Little America
The issue is as soon as one gets a Canadian passport, he/she can get a T1 visa, move to US, double the pay
I was recently talking to a US friend and about political priorities. In the US, the culture wars seem front and centre in the election cycle. But in Canada, our politicians are talking mainly about cost of housing, inflation, and sometimes national security. The first two are very much linked to the average income levels described here, and could explain why any attempts to copy the US "culture war" strategy in Canada seems to fizzle out. Housing and inflation are just simply more important issues right now.
Perception is definitely not reality when it comes to the US in this case either. So-called "culture wars" are a big deal only among the most politically activist-minded. Which in a country as massive as the US, will seem like a much bigger deal than it is (especially if we assume, for simplicity's sake, that the same proportion of Americans and Canadians belong to that activist cohort). Also, the particularities about the system in which the major parties select candidates have a lot to say about that. Political partisans (on all sides) are increasingly disconnected from everyday independent Americans.
In each of the last few national election cycles, the purveyor of "culture wars" has underperformed. Take the 2022 midterm elections for example...what should have been an absolute walloping for the Republicans if you looked at the economic headwinds, inflation, the total collapse of the liberal Covid paradigm around masks & restrictions/closures, turned into a shocking underperformance thanks to terribly ill advised culture warring.
And we're seeing that now too, in just over a year Ron DeSantis has gone from the builder of the politically diverse coalition ever seen in the GOP (the man WON Miami-Dade County in his gubernatorial election) thanks to a libertarian approach to masks, lockdowns and "social justice"..to a universally lampooned national candidate thanks to, again, terribly ill advised emphases on the "culture wars" which is costing him allies everyday.
So I'd argue the "culture wars" fizzle out here too. Those who play them too much seldom are rewarded for it.
The US is less centralized than Canada. Therefore issues such as housing and infrastructure are largely left up to states to manage. Some states manage this well and others don’t. In terms of inflation that’s really left up to the Fed which is independent from the three branches of government. Congress did pass the IRA and IJA however these were really bills to boost domestic manufacturing and increase self reliance.
@@sriigit sounds to me that ironically, if the Republicans DIDN’T focus on the culture war and just talked policy, they could’ve very well have won the culture war. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory here
The culture wars are only front and center in the U.S. because our media and social media hypes them up alot, which only triggers those most politically active to stay engaged on the topic. As a someone who doesn't really care alot about stuff like that it's a mere annoyance when I hear folks at work and else bring that shit up. They could talk about something else.
Canada really isn’t a model we should be looking at. They have problems just as bad, just different problems.
The infrastructure in Ontario is suffering the burden of lack of investment
This is the first time I ever heard a video talking about this, thanks!
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I got lucky... in 2010 when I applied for the H1B during the great recession, there were more visas than applicants....
I have no godly idea why we aren't doing everything in our power to keep people who are in their earning prime in our country. People send their brightest minds to us, we upskill them, and then.. just let them go?
we are full, they can do computer jobs with US companies in India. The more people living the US lifestyle creates more global warming.
I'm curios to the extent of immigrate who tend to remit a substantial portion of their earnings to their countries of origin. In my view, America's strategy of emphasizing family unification appears to be a more promising approach for ensuring sustained prosperity. After all, if every penny earned is sent overseas, how does this contribute to the economic growth of the host country?
@@condorb7756 Economic growth is ruining the world. The excuse for immigration is the ageing population. If you allow migrants to bring in their own parents, there is no justification for accepting immigrants at all.
@@condorb7756 As one of those "immigrants who tend to remit a portion of their earnings to their countries of origin", I can tell you that I send maybe 10% of my income to help my family out. You have absolutely no idea what a couple hundred dollars mean to people in poorer countries.
I am generating waaaaaayyyy more than what I send back. And don't forget that I paid for my education in Canada with a lot of money from overseas. Just to even out that one initial cost, I'll have to send money out for three years or more, at this current rate.
@@1994CPK thats just not true at all.
Great video man, thanks.
You nailed literally everything in this video! Very very nice
Except for the last part where he stated that Canadians don't have a problem with the current levels of immigration. That poll is definitely not accurate.
@@Ryan-hk8bx I personally agree with you but I check the source and apparently my dislike for the amount of immigration doesn't match the average Canadian
I have a Canadian friend who moved to the USA because he literally couldn’t afford to stay in the city of his birth. He used to live in Toronto, but after the massive influx of immigrants he couldn’t afford to live there or in any other major Canadian city
There are several million Canadian expats. Totally Normal.
yea, must totally be immigrants, and not a broken housing market that incentivises sitting on property rather than building up homes for people
@@MCArt25both can be true
What incentivizes sitting on property? Oh that’s right, immigrants
@@asande7126Nah, just housing market and maybe gentrification. There will always be immigrants, stopping them would lower the amount of workforce/business. Fixing the housing crisis would help more.
Both Canada and the US could alleviate so much of their socio-economic problems if they abolished restrictive zoning laws.
I don't see how this is going to fix the American immigration system.
@@vqlcano1698 Wasnt talking about the US immigration system specifically
@@vqlcano1698People's main complaints about immigration, in Canada at least, are housing costs, traffic, and infrastructure. All of these are solved by efficient city planning with less restricitive zoning like in Japan or most of the EU.
Yes, because we need half of continental Asia coming here. 🙄
@@interstellarsurfer
Well, Asians are more industrious than Americans on average
Amazing brilliant work. The best video I have seen by far.
As a Canadian the American system isn't broken. We have so many immigrants coming in from India and Nigeria you can have them. Not only are they disrespectful, but greedy and have no problem throwing trash directly on the ground. They also contribute to wage suppression meaning that they are willing to work for a lower rate of pay. Many Canadian companies will not hire these people given that they don't have North American experience, so therfore will be forced to use food banks and the welfare system.
Stop the spread of misinformation. Those immigrants coming from Nigeria and India are professionals, mostly doctors, engineers and IT professionals. Canada is not giving visa to non professionals.
As an Indian national just starting the employment stage in America after my Master's degree here, this hits hard. There are also other drawbacks I'm experiencing, like employers prefering Citizens/PR over us for entry/mid level jobs. So here I am, wasting my limited 3 years, paying a fortune in rent just to get employed and begin an even greater struggle.
Stay strong man, and good luck
As a Canadian who lives in the Toronto area I just want to say...if you ever decide to move to Canada don't do what everyone else is doing and go to Toronto or Vancouver. There are other livable cities here.
Si why not back to India
@@Robert_austia
America is superior
America first. I am assuming you know that you are not entitled to any job.
Lived in Canada near Toronto my whole life, almost 30 years. My family moved here from Ireland.
I will never be able to afford my own home at this rate. Theyre not building affordable housing and many immigrant families that move to Canada are large and pool all their resources to buy each other homes, which would be a good idea if it didnt screw over everyone else looking for homes. I do work with pools and I see immigrant families living in large, expensive homes regularly who own multiple homes. Between that and foreign investment/richer people snapping up homes to rent, everyone looking for a home or rent is getting gutted financially. People who have lived here their whole lives are struggling.
There needs to be much stricter regulations when it comes to housing and how many you can own. We need affordable housing that isnt snatched up by one person or group to turn into rentals.
We lived in the GTA for many years. Same thing. Unaffordable. Long commutes. Too crowded. We moved to Winnipeg and we bought a large house, 15 mins drive to downtown. Much better here.
I think the best plan is to immigrate to Canada first, spend a few years there, get work experience, and become a Canadian, apply for a high paying job in the US right before you are about to become a Canadian. That way you get both a high paying job and the mental security that even if you get deported somehow all you needed to do is to a drive a fully packed Uhaul across the border.
Thank you for highlighting this topic
I never realized how lucky my family was to get citizenship as quickly as we did. We got our green card months after applying in 2017 and we're Indian.
One thing that sabotages Canada's immigration system to some extent (ie: yes, our system could be doing even better) is the mire of getting professional skills recognized. We have a very bad history of not recognizing doctors, engineers, and even more blue collar work like tool and die makers who come from other countries (my grandfather was a tool and die maker in England, and never managed to find a job in that role in Canada. He could do other blue collar work, but that meant he was busting his ass to make far less than what he would have earned in his chosen profession).
This is a long standing problem - my grandfather came here in the 60s and it's still an issue - even though most of these highly skilled jobs don't change that much from country to country. (The reason I've not included lawyers in this list is because you can make a pretty solid case for all the laws being different and therefore that being enough to at least need *some* retraining; kinda hard to argue that the laws of physics that engineers are beholden to and the nature of human biology that doctors are beholden to are changing between countries)
This issue is primarily the result of professional associations that have a right-to-practice system. Which is to say, you need to be a member of the professional association to be employed in that role - professional engineers, medical doctors, etc. This kind of control over who practices is certainly a good thing - it is designed to ensure that only those who have been trained in the that role have the ability to make choices that will, in many cases, literally put people's lives in the hands of those professionals. However, most of these organizations do not have a very robust system of assessing the skills of someone who receives training from outside their jurisdiction, aside from a handful of other professional associations that are largely just the associations in other provinces of Canada. Thus, a doctor trained in Australia or England will probably face months or years of applications, paperwork, retraining and drudgery before they can practice. And that's other English speaking countries; if you've got to get through the language proficiency system, you're probably bumping that timeline up over a decade.
It's a real mess, and, unfortunately, one that governments can't easily solve. Professional Associations by their nature are designated as trusted to operate independently, as it is deemed that members of that profession will be more competent in determining who should have the right to join. Because yes, a doctor can rattle off 5 pages of reasons that someone who appears to be trained should not be allowed to practice and elected officials (aside from the handful who used to be doctors) might not understand any of that. But that also means they have a lot of opportunity, if they so choose, to hide the fact that the real reason is "they're not Canadian enough." Which, uh..is *not* a valid reason.
(And note that this only effects professionals who decide to move to Canada at a later date. Aspiring professionals who come to Canada for their training, they get that Canadian education and Canadian work experience and thus qualify for membership into Canadian professions just fine.)
I would strongly question the need for professional associations. In the US, engineers don’t have this limitation (except for civil engineers sort of bc they and the company have to do some certification stuff). It’s an extra barrier to entry that imo 9/10 times doesn’t need to be there.
@@saddlepiggy The National Society of Professional Engineers would beg to differ with that statement. As would the various legal bar societies for lawyers, medical colleges that doctors are members of, etc.
Credentialism is the term you’re looking for, it’s not as bad in the US but can be very annoying in some industries.
What you (and others) are saying makes it sound like the Canadian government is really just accepting so many immigrants because they want cheap labor. They don’t want too many of the immigrants moving up in society so they limit how many of them can get prestigious, well-paying jobs.
@@Evenst3vn The way Canada has things set up, it's not really in government jurisdiction, particularly if we're talking federal government.
--This all falls under civil law, so from a division of powers perspective, it'd be a provincial matter. Messing with division of powers means messing with the constitution, so the feds can't really force change on the professional associations.
--As for the provincial side of things, it's debatable. There are a lot of good philosophical reasons to be very hands off with professional associations. They're traditionally trusted groups of people who have specialized knowledge that renders them more capable of governing their own membership status and ethical matters than elected laypeople or government bureaucrats are. Conversely, that means the professional associations are all but completely unaccountable to the opinions of the general public, as long as they don't screw things up so badly that it results in widespread popular outcry, and thus are insulated from social justice movements like trying to root out systemic racism. So...does the blame lie with the professions for having systemic racism built into their archaic codes of ethics and worldviews, or with the provincial government that could theoretically choose to insist on improvements but doesn't?
Now...if you really want to see Canadian exploitation of cheap labour, you should really look into our temporary foreign worker programs. Some of the stuff that came to light during covid lockdowns in that regard was seriously disturbing, and I haven't really heard of much being done to change things since.
@@rashkavar if you’re saying the associations are insulated from wokeness/ideological capture that makes me like them more lmao
In the US I’ve had to deal with credentialism once in my career - I couldn’t get certain jobs without a certain license, despite having the necessary skills. The only way to get the license was to graduate from one of a specified list of universities in my state. Extremely restrictive for no good reason - these weren’t even high-paying jobs. I hope the Canadian system is at least less arbitrary than that.
Wow, excellent analysis!