11/22/63 RADIO COVERAGE FROM KNX IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- 55 minutes of programming from Los Angeles radio station KNX, beginning just before 10:30 AM (Pacific Coast Time) on November 22, 1963. President Kennedy was shot in Dallas, Texas, at exactly 10:30 AM PST (12:30 PM CST in Dallas).
The first KNX bulletins interrupt Arthur Godfrey's show, which had been pre-recorded just a few hours before.
David...just tremendous work as always....
It's really amazing for me to listen to this, knowing that at this very moment, I was in a South Central Los Angeles apartment at exactly 3 months and 1 day old laying in a crib while my Mother was working near downtown Los Angeles. I suppose my father was baby sitting me.......wow
Maybe your Dad was listening to this.
I was 5 months and 12 days old myself. My mom told me I was sitting one her lap when the news came over the TV. My dad said he had to work 3 to 11 that day. I think he said something about seeing it on TV, and as was his custom, he'd leave for work about 90 minutes before his shift started. We lived in the Eastern time zone, so what with it being 12:30 pm in Dallas, it was 1:30 pm here. Dad said he listened to the report on the car radio while driving to work. He stopped at a shoe repair shop owned by two brothers who were friends of his. They and a customer were huddled around a radio listening to the report, and one of the brothers shushed my dad.
@@TheBrooklynbodine soul brothers?
@@travismaxwell779 Nope, they were Italian.
@@TheBrooklynbodine Great story, thank you.
KNX 1070 is 100 years old today.
Thanks lots for posting this one!!! DVP, I really love the way you've been able to gather together all of this wonderful radio and television news footage of important events from our history for everyone to listen to and watch!! Thank you SO VERY MUCH for what you've been doing, David!!! BTW and JSYK for all of you UA-camrs out there, the first bulletin is at 13:05. :)
YT: Thanks, man.🙂
5 years later, KNX 1070 would be reporting RFK shooting in Los Angeles
I wish there was a KNX archive station where tragically major events, like this, were airing through the years.
13:05 the bulletins start here
You can hear the papers shuffling when the reports came in :)
I was working at the time at KOOL, the CBS affiliate in Phoenix. Shift was 5 pm to 1 am. I left the station on as I went to sleep. I was rudely awakened by that CBS RADIO NETALERT sounder. A brilliant service to alert affiliates. It was the first bulletin fed to the network. (On this tape, KNX actualy beat the network with a local cut-in.) Without giving it a thought, I quickly dressed and drove to the station in downtown Phoenix. As I drove, I wondered if people on the street had any idea what was happening. Several other stations in Phoenix immediately requested, and received, live rebroadcast rights. A much longer story, but I will leave it there.
I would appreciate it greatly if you would upload your story to UA-cam. I loved Channel 10 when it was a CBS affiliate.
Yes, would love to hear more of your story.
Thank you for preserving and presenting these. All things considered I prefer Ruth Lyons to Arthur Godfrey.
My mom and her three sisters (my 3 aunts) were little girls on that terrible day in 1963 in San Diego.
5:44--Carol Sloane, 1937-2023
Thanks for mentioning Carol Sloane. I didn't know she had passed. Loved her and I think she was underappreciated. I had the privilege of seeing her perform in 1993 at Miller Theater, Columbia University, and at a Manhattan jazz venue in 1999, the evening of the same day my dad passed. I thought of not going, but it was preplanned, and she brought a huge joy to my evening. 🙂
14:45 the wire report he’s reading was that Clint Hill says “he’s dead”, the announcer purposely omitted that. That was a professional thing to do to ensure it was right and not to be the first one to report it. Today they wouldn’t think twice about saying it
"a professional thing to do"?
I respectfully disagree.
J. Vonhögen disagree, random person died in a shooting- Report it. The President of the United States died, according to one source, hold off. It’s likely that most knew but held off in respect for the office and also to give Johnson the chance to be organized and not give an air of weakness internationally- remember the Cold War was going on and it was unclear whether it was a larger conspiracy or if LBJ or others might be in danger. Waiting was prudent due to the office and possibly national security concerns in the short term
@@tylerjerabek5204 It's interesting you mention that ... I've listened to a number of these bulletins about the shooting (thank you, David Von Pein), and most of the announcers do mention the Clint Hill observation. This announcer didn't go there. Interesting.
As far as I know, from having listened to the many different broadcasts from that day across the country and from all the various networks that announced the initial UPI Flash that JFK had been shot, reporter Alan Jackson was the only one who self-edited the section of the bulletin in which Agent Clint Hill was overheard as having said to other agents, “He’s dead…” as they were lifting JFK’s body out of the limo at Parkland.
While your statement of today’s news and reporters having no hesitation at all in reading that part of the copy is true, those reporting the bulletin that day didn’t leave it out, either. Jackson was the only one who hesitated and chose not to read the bulletin as it was written.
I can understand how some might have an appreciation for Alan Jackson’s censoring out that which he personally felt was “improper” to report, but the truth is, this wasn’t really his call to make, and it was censoring, plain and simple.
FWIW.
Walter Cronkite said there are unconfirmed reports that he's dead but no official word yet from Parkland Hospital.
I remember this day. I was seven years old. My second grade teacher told us to go home early. It was about 2:15 pm EST. Something was very wrong. I knew that.
Was 6, in first grade Remember everything from when the Principal walked in and for next two hours like it was yesterday..
One generation had their innocence lost on December 7, 1941, another on September 11, 2001, and yet another had theirs lost on November 22, 1963. Hearing them talking about golf courses at Port St. Lucie just moments before the first news was shared.....seemed like such a nice and carefree time, although in reality it was anything but with the Cold War looming...
And the other day of infamy: 3/19/2020, when they started the lockdowns and we became divided and lost our community
What about Michael Jackson's death, Hurricane Katrina, and the Istanbul quake in August 1999, the Columbine shooting?
@@TheRenard10 What about them? None of them had the effect on the entire world as this.
The intro wording says the Arthur Godfrey show had been "recorded a few hours earlier", which means it would have been recorded at 5am to 6am in the morning. Which I suppose is possible. But not likely.
I was in second grade in Escondido when KNX aired this. If I had been home from school sick, I'd have heard this since KNX's signal reached north San Diego County.
KNX has always been a clear-channel, 50,000 watt station, so it probably could've reached San Francisco, too. That's KCBS-AM country up there, but KNX has always covered a lot of territory.
@@TheBrooklynbodine Yep, I remember picking it up in Vegas.
KNX reaches to Tiajunia easily.
I was in Preston CT in seventh grade. Someone had a radio tuned to a CBS station and it was from that station I heard Allan Jackson announce “Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States is dead.” The recording gave me cold chills for years.
Like 9/11 the JFK assassination and Pearl harbor were such historical tragic events in this Nations history still gives me chills to this very day in 2023
It seems not to matter which broadcast it is, by the time they get to the ultimate announcement, the impact is the same. It's a measure of the importance of the event in history and the deep, heavy sadness of President Kennedy's murder. But I think it's also the style of reporting, now largely lost, when journalists took great pains in telling their audience only what they knew, without speculation, embellishment or histrionics. I respect them for it.
Nx Doyle
Absolutely. These days people enter journalism thinking that it's their job to be activists. Fiascos like the UVA rape hoax are the result, and innocent people are hurt because of them.
This radio and those coming on the air all sound so innocent and care-free. The world 🌎 changed forever that day. This is a time capsule to that time lost forever. Also on YT is a KILF (Dallas) of that day. The music sounded like that which my mother used to listen to in the kitchen. You are serenaded by songs like Rags to Riches and Lenny Welch's Since I Fell for You.
Seemingly innocent and carefree, but remember that Arthur Godfrey and the others heard here had lived through the Depression and World War II.
Just like September 112001 and December 7th 1941 changed the world as we knew
@13:04 1st Report of The Shooting
DVP, do you have the Godfrey show following this one? It’s clear he didn’t broadcast this live. It would be interesting to hear his reflections on the horrors that were taking place while he was gushing over Carol Sloan and chewing the fat with his boys over hanging in Florida.
No, I don't.
Godfrey’s next show would have been Monday but probably was canceled due to the funeral, so the show would have been off until Tuesday.
Carol Sloane is indeed great. She became easily my favorite jazz singer in the late 80s and I finally got to see her sing 30 years after Godfrey gushed over her, in 1993, and again in 1999...
Ever hear Stan Freberg’s That’s Right Arthur. Also my father could do a great impersonation of two entertainers. One was Ronald Colman and the other Arthur Godfrey.
1 out of 2 aint bad
Pretty much everything that came from Dan Rather was false. What a lousy reporter.
Why do most people hate rather
+ Paddle Shift Right! Shithead!
There was a lot of confusion about specifics in those early moments after the shots were fired, and Dan Rather was not the only experienced reporter who was reporting information that would later prove to be inaccurate. Even the universally respected Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, and other seasoned journalists unintentionally passed along mistaken information during the course of that chaotic day. Keep in mind that in 1963 there weren’t cell phones, laptops, internet, digital cameras, or ultra high-tech satellite communications such as what we have today.
@@melaubach Thank you for your thoughtful response. Though Walter Cronkite et al did report inaccurate info, he did so because of Dan Rather. Dan was a front line reporter, in Dallas not NY. For example; most of the dignitaries and reporter's who were in the motorcade reported hearing 3 shots, some said 2. Dan reported 4. Dan reported that LBJ was injured, he was not and no one said so until Dan reported it. Dan said a 25 year old suspect was arrested shortly after the assasination attempt. Those that were brought in were brought in because they were eye witnesses, I am not aware of any that were arrested or thought of as suspects immediately after the shooting. Buell Frazier was brought in as a suspect (and was almost beat up by the DPD) but that was after LHO was identified as the primary suspect. At a crisis like this, it is critical a reporter validate and not pass on just rumors.
Everything that came from Dan Rather was false? What a lousy reporter? WRONG.
Dan Rather was in Dallas, TX, reporting to CBS News' Walter Cronkite, and Walter Cronkite was on the spot reporting information he was receiving from multiple sources. Dan Rather reported what information he had as it came along, so he did not intentionally lie about anything. As Mark Laubach stated, in 1963 there weren't laptops, cell phones, internet, digital cameras, or ultra high-tech satellite communications such as we have today.
Interesting to again hear the old CBS Radio News Sounder that was used since the 1950’s into the mid-1960’s. CBS Radio was far more prepared than CBS TV for this coverage. CBS Radio news was still a premiere service in 1963 and had pioneered live news coverage during WWII. They had great reporters. Considering the sketchy details they did a pretty good job putting the pieces together.
It was much easier for radio to do sound than it was (in 1963) for TV to do pictures.
@@MrJoeybabe25 The reason CBS TV got out to a slow start because the studio cameras needed to warm up to be used, so it took 15 minutes to get ready. Walter had to go to the announcer's booth for the initial audio bulletins to run with the "Bulletin" Slide. NBC and ABC also had audio-only bulletins early (and I believe Don Pardo was the house announcer on duty for NBC)
I think president Kennedy would of been shocked at the state of affairs in this land had hede been alive today
First bulletin at 13:07.
Interesting to listen to all of these various stations because obviously they are all reading the same information off of the wire, but strange hearing the same story repeated, almost word for word, by all of these different reporters.
Ya I noticed that
I have a copy of this that is only a half hour long. Where did you get this longer one.
This was before KNX became an all news radio station. It became an all news radio station in 1968
But maybe KNX continued to carry Godfrey until he retired from radio in 1972.
@@altfactor No Godfrey show ended in 1968.
On KNX
@@davidmoser3535 1968 was the year that KNX went all-news
@@altfactor Godfrey was a must-carry on CBS Owned and Operated stations. WCBS in New York carried it to the end even though it went all-news in the 60s
Good lord, Arthur Godfrey was an insipid man.
Godfrey cohosted the 64 rose parade with Betty White. He didnt show up for rehearsals, so on 1-1-64 he couldnt keep up with his cues. He couldnt say Fighting Illini, and thoroughly botched his announcing duties. He wasnt asked to do it in 65.Betty White did the work of 2 that day.
13:05 the first bulletin
It's interesting what is and is not correctly reported during those first hectic moments; Kennedy was never transferred to an ambulance but the reporters in the follow up car correctly counted the number of Oswald's shots. I was in sixth grade at the time and will never forget that day. Class wasn't dismissed early and no announcement was made. I first heard about the assassination from my school bus driver on the way home.
Me too! She was crying.
Arthur Godfrey possibly one of show business's biggest a holes he actually fired his producer on the air once
It was Julius LaRosa that he fired.
@@frankp3 that's who it was I remember my parents talking about that it was during a nationally syndicated broadcast so millions of people heard it his reputation took a massive hit
I worked in a Boston radio station in the 90s and for whatever reason Julius was in town. We were able to get him in to do an hour on air. We asked beforehand if he would mind questions about that, he said he wouldn't mind at all. According to LaRosa, he was introduced by Godfrey in his live program like this: "And now Julius LaRosa will be performing his swan song...". This is the only affirmation I have of this, as searches for any audio or video recording of this have come up empty at this point. The show was broadcast live, but I can't believe there isn't some record of it somewhere!
The women were "Crushed down by the inert forms of their husbands".
😆
Who/what was the source of the report that a Secret Service agent was killed?
I would like to know this too. All networks confirmed it!!
I have later read that the source was Dallas County Sheriff Dept.
Confusion. They probably had the first reports of the Tippit shooting, and given the hysteria of that hour, this got confused with a Secret Service agent's having been killed. My hunch is that it was reported correctly from Dallas, but that whoever was responsible in New York thought that it was a mistake, and changed it from a police officer to a Secret Service agent.
@@bobtaylor170 sounds eminently plausible. What was the time the Tippit murder was reported v. The time of first report of the Secret Service agent being shot/killed?
@@cmorea I don't know. Events happened pretty quickly that afternoon. If I remember correctly, the Secret Service had LBJ back to Air Force One before Malcolm Kilduff announced Kennedy's death. And it was at about the same time that it was reported that Tippit had been killed. The confusion is understandable, if that's what happened.
Who was A Godfrey talking to? Eli Wallach?
2 newspaper guys that were laughing at Godfreys bad humor.
Is this Arthur Godfrey?
Yes.
@@DavidVonPeinJFK I've been listening to your great work for a couple weeks now. Kudos! Coincidentally, we're moving to Port St. Lucie in a couple weeks!!
VibroSteve Yep... and he was famous
Unfortunately. Yes.
How could the press possibly know the name of the ss agent that climbed on the car?
Jeff, the press was closer to the agents in 1963 then they are now.
14:45 - This is that infamous moment where the radio host decides to replace Hill's important words ("he is dead") by something else he just makes up at that very moment. There is really no excuse for this, no matter what the circumstances are.
It’s the President- he wanted more confirmation than one person’s word, no one else was saying he was dead
@@tylerjerabek5204 - You are completely making that up, and you shouldn't do that. They were in fact instructed not to say anything definitive about Kennedy's condition. There were several reasons for that, one being the fact that JFK was Catholic and that the last rites needed to be performed.
@@tylerjerabek5204- By the way, the problem is not that the host didn't read the words of agent Hill, it's the fact that he just made up something different and presented that as fact.
It's exactly what you just did in your comment.
While it’s true he didn’t report what agent Hill said, I understand why. Hill was the only one that had said it at that time and they wanted to be positive it was true first. However he could have reported it as a quote removing himself from the substance of it. But someone would’ve taken it as fact, then if it ultimately wasn’t true(we know now it was) then he would’ve been discredited as reporting untrue information. But once again, you are correct, if he wasn’t going to report what Hill said, he should’ve just left that part out all together. But in light of the gravity of the day, I understand why he didn’t. He was hedging I guess.
It's so easy to sit in judgment when you have 20-20 hindsight. If you had been the announcer of the day you might have not wanted to get in trouble for reporting something that might turn out not to be true.
It always blows my mind how different this breaking news happened compared to how it would happen now. One simple report on all radio/tv stations mentioning the same phrases “Mrs Kennedy “Mrs Kennedy OH NO” “The motorcade sped on” “Downtown Dallas” “saw blood on the presidents head” etc...
Nick, as I imagine you realize, all the broadcasters relied on the reporting services of the 2 major wire services , the Associated Press and the United Press...so they were all reading the copy from one or the other..
daniel lack Hi Daniel. Thanks for your reply. What a different media world it was back then. I always wondered who originated the “Oh No!” from Jackie. How would a reporter - or anyone else - have heard her say that ?
For some reason that “oh no” comment has always stuck out to me. As you mentioned, everyone mentioned it. Its not necessarily the reason why it sticks out to me. Just such a random quote if indeed she said “oh no”.
Thanks for the comment. Thought I was the only one who wondered about that comment.
Nick Hoagland the Secret Service heard her, actually she probably said Oh No, Theyve Killed Him. Again a bit of short term editing
I watched a video the other day where a child standing near the vehicle when the head shot hit that told one of the reporters there that she said “oh no, my God! Oh no!” I guess they just edited it down to “oh no!” Probably because saying “oh God!” Back then may have been questionable.
I wonder what was KNX’s FM Frequency?
I meant the point when the announcer said “This is KNX AM & FM, curious radio, Los Angeles”.
Their frequency was (and is) 93.1. At that time in the early 60s, many AM stations had an FM counterpart which simply aired the same programming as the AM station. This was the case with KNX until years later when FM and AM programming split off from each other.
radio63 Thank you for the 411 because as I listened to it, I was wondering what the announcer said originally.
radio63 What you meant to say was that the FM stations back then would “simulcast” whatever the AM stations aired back then until 1967. But then again, I could be wrong.
@@charlesmeadows6285 Yes that's exactly right it was a simulcast, airing the same program material on both the AM station and the FM counterpart. This was very common in the earlier days of FM. When the number of FM receivers began increasing, and listener interest in the higher-fidelity sound quality of FM garnered a larger audience for FM, most stations adopted different programming for FM, mostly music formats.
James Garfield was also assassinated. I guess that he didnt count
Classic
I understand that the programme has been pre-recorded, but hearing those men laughing and talking about a perfume in between the bulletins is quite insensitive.
Yes, it was a rebroadcast due to time zone differences.
Remember it was 1963. There was nowhere near the consideration given to the appropriateness of the show's content versus the rapidly developing story. The CBS affiliate was required to run the program until the network took over, which eventually occured.
@@bills1338 I understand what you’re saying. It just seems that, even though it’s the President - the most powerful man in the western world - the ordinary workaday schedule has to continue, no matter. The jaunty adverts are so incongruous with the horrific news reports coming from Dallas.
The Presidents car immediately sped away..?
lol
Did you think they would go slowly lol
At 0:15, what does "curious radio" mean?
I guess it was just a promotional slogan perhaps emphasizing that the station broadcast informative programming.
@@kevinfitzmaurice4072 Could be.
I heard it live, so this is a repeat for me. Seems like yesterday.
Arthur Godfrey co-hosted NBC's coverage of the Tournament of Roses Parade w/ Betty White on New Years Day 1964, a bit more than a month after this. According to what Betty wrote in her bio, Godfrey did no prep for the parade, so he ended up mispronouncing the Univ. of Illinois team name and pointing out things no one could see on tv. As far as I know, he never hosted that parade again afterward.
Arthur Godfrey would have voted for Trump!
So What
@@bradpollard3073 Godfrey was dumb, but he would never vote for trump
Diggin' the music!
Carol Sloane is now 84. I'm not sure she still sings, but she did record right up until a few years ago. One more terrific jazz singer whom America had little appreciation of.
KNX'S coverage was much better than CBS'S
KNX was cbs affiliate. Frankie, what are you talking about.
I think what Frank Santore meant was that KNX's coverage was faster than that if CBS Radio.
There were actually several network-affiliated radio and TV stations that broadcast bulletins on a local basis before the first bulletins from their respective networks.
altfactor, you are correct. Other examples are the coverages of WVCO, WCBS, and NBC affiliates WLW and WTIC
@@altfactor CBS TV had to wait for the studio cameras to warm up. Walter Cronkite had to go to the announcer's booth to get the first bulletins out
@@franksantore2810 The WLW coverage is interesting (being from Ohio who listened to WLW when it was still doing music before they became all-talk). The 50/50 Club (Ruth Lyons) used to run from noon to 1:30 p.m. on radio AND TV on the WLW TV Network (Cincinnati - WLW-T Dayton - WLW-D, Columbus - WLW-C and Indianapolis - WLW-I )
When mentioning all the assassinations of presidents the announcer left out the assassination of President Garfield
Maybe the announcer couldn’t quite recall the name at the time, and didn’t wish to relay the wrong information.
@@hazelanderson1479 Possibly
Wow! ...so much wrong info!
How so?
If President Kennedy was alive he would be a conservative he would stand with President trump
Donald Mcauliffe where do you buy your drugs? I could use a hit of delusion too
If you really believe that, you might also believe that Adolf Hitler, were he alive today, would be supporting Bernie Sanders! 😳
@@RockStarryNight LMFAO!! 😆
You’re delusional. Absolutely delusional. Kennedy would DESPISE Trumptard.
You do realize Kennedy was murdered in an extreme right wing state. Trump is extreme right wing. Even if Trump would try to rig the election like he did with Hillary, Kennedy would’ve still won in a landslide over Trump.
My gosh this radio program is the most boringest thing I've ever heard!
Jason, I am with you on this one. Godfrey wouldnt last a month on radio today.
People had attention spans. And didn’t use double comparatives.
@@jamesgarrett9330 jim, its a different time
@@davidmoser3535 very,,,,,people in that generation grew up with radio programs.
STILL ALIVE??? That’s sounds suspicious and malicious.. ( insensitive press. can notice the complicity )
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