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Mistake - Garbaruk cassette is manufactured from the hardened-steel monoblock not aluminum! That is huge difference. Only the 52-teeth cog is from aluminum alloy.
4 days of waiting for the warranty to be considered, and a new cassette to be shipped. This is exceptionally good customer service. Well done Garbaruk :)
@@COOLBIKEyt ahhh, I thought it was irony of you waiting 4days with no response, hahah! Indeed, I was surprised by such turnaround - and probably mostly by shipping time - it was before-christmas period, deliveries usually are busted in warehouses like hell:))
The funny thing is that when you don't expect that there are bolts, you don't even look for them to be checked, haha! but yeah, this might also helps to make colored versions more easily. Yet, doesn't seem that they would be selling biggest sprockets separate
Quite frankly I would've never switched XTR for garbaruk. HG+ is superior to mid tier garbaruk performance. Shifting ramps are terrible on garbaruk and that's the biggest issue to me.
Well, now consider riding overused and worn out XTR or new Garbaruk in a race, and the perspective might change, haha. On the other hand, agree that chain movement, compared to XTR it not butter smooth.
@@veganpotterthevegan I'm happy with my X01 cassette. I bought it for $160 and I'm running it with XX1 chain. Hard to find any more durable setup. Shifting is also great. I have a spare XX1 rainbow cassette I bought for $180 on a discount, so no surprises and shortcuts for me
@Silkl4sh I'm honestly happy with the ZTTO stuff. I do have e*thirteen on my racing wheels. They shift a bit better, nearly as good as legit SRAM stuff but they're cheaper and lighter
@@veganpotterthevegan a friend of mine uses ZTTO cassette and he says it's fine. Their higher tier cassettes are pretty good (at least what some people said) but low end are total garbage. I bought one for my commuter and it was so bad I switched to SLX 11-46 right away. IDC about drivetrain weight but I love flawless shifting.
I built up a gravel bike with a Garbaruk 11 speed cassette, sram force derailleur with a garbaruk long cage mod and it simply didn't work correctly no matter how much I tuned it. I ended up replacing it with sram eagle and a 'ratio' shifter mod, it fixed and now my bike was rideable but still not 100% right under high load, ended up being the derailleur hanger got bent in shipping. It still shows that sram eagle could handle the slightly bent hanger but the Garbaruk cassette couldn't handle it and the setup needs to be perfect.
I had problems with that cassette too. In last models they have rework gears for flawless shifting. I just received the new cassette from warranty.but i have not mount it yet.
Was it also bent in some way like here, or else? I wonder if this comes as a result of power/shifting on load, or something else:)) Purposefully I don't do that for certain, but... We all been there:D
I'm not sure but I've not manged to bed this cassette. Everything is straight. So far bes performing cassette I've had. But I will see how it does after lots of riding. @@tom10crafted
I've had issues with 2 of the 6 I've used. 1 cracked between the bottom 3-4 cogs on the carrier after 1 ride (material/manufacturing defect?) and 1 had the 2nd smallest cog that wouldn't stop clicking even when all other cogs were flawless and derailleur and hanger were straight. Both were warrantied. The other 4 I've ran well. 1st one died after about 2700miles, the other 3 are fine still. For the bolts, I've Loctited them all from the get go and never had an issue.
Thanks for this video. I have had this issue with a Shimano SLX 12s cassette. Could not index the gears correctly, and spent hours trying EVERYTHING, with same symptoms as you stated. After switching out to the OE Sunrace cassette the problem went away. Just checked the SLX cassette and it has a slight bend to it, similar to the black garbaruk you have.
I just found a video in polish, where cassette is being assembled. Few notices: ~ Threadlock IS actually applied, but not on the bolt. ~ Assembly of biggest sprocket, in being done in a circular order. Probably the bolts are too tiny to cause any issues, but normally such assemblies are done against, not after the bolts. ua-cam.com/video/lO8sV4C3pno/v-deo.htmlsi=yCuRMkb-QZJziQD-&t=551
On which drivetrain, whats the issue?? I assume it is a bit more trickier to setup it for Shimano 51cage than just make a swap on native 52 to 52 on sram!
I haven't myself, but heard and seen stories where it not fully engages at the location where biggest sprockets connects to monoblock - that could be the cause as well.
Recently bought a microspline Garbaruk 10-52 cassette. Had problems day one when shifting from the 12th gear to the 11th gear. The chain just didn't engage to the cog a bit randomly. Replaced three chains but nothing. I've opened a ticket to the seller and we started a very big back and forth troubleshooting sending videos. Garbaruk at first tried to evade the claim by saying that my hanger is bent, the B tension is wrong my cable is lose etc etc. Took me about 20 days to prove and push that the problem is with the cassete and I've spent money buying new shimano cassete since I couldn't train or race on my bike. Sent videos to the seller with other cassette working and eventually the claim was accepted. Now I am waiting for the replacement. Note: I went through all that using my own bike cave and tools and I also visisted and consulted my trusted mechanic that he also concluded that the problem was the cassete. Imagine being someone with limited mechanical skills. Someone could have ended up swapping the entire drivetrain and spending tons of money due to the negligence of garbaruk accepting their fault. Bottomline: Garbaruk cassette never again.
Thanks for sharing! The issue I faced look very much like you described - chain was not going off 12th and was being stuck at some sections. Did you happened to find out whether it also had swing once removed?
@@tom10crafted No, actually it never crossed my mind to check the cassete for this wobble that you did. Possibly the problem was this because my cassete was randomly engaging and in my mind this could have caused the problem. I have returned the faulty one back to the seller and I am expecting the replacement one that I will perform your check before installing. Hopefully it will be ok this time but it seems that this one is a known issue for garbaruk that they are trying to hide.
@@tom10crafted unfortunately r2bike didn't offer a refund but they shipped the replacement right away instead. I wish the replacement will work this time because I can use a couple hundred grams reduction to my rear wheel😁
@@tom10crafted Got the replacement today. There was no wobble as with your case in the video. Shifting is great as expected on the repair stand. I will go for a spin tomorrow to check everything out. One thing I've noticed, my previous box had a colored sticker with a pen mark on it usually like a QC or PN. The previous cassete had a redish colored sticker and this one has a green one. Any thoughts on this?
@tom10crafted I agree. But it is a lot of money if it doesn't work out. I know the SRAM works. Although, the SRAM does cost a lot more. OK. You may have convinced me.
That might be true with bigger audiences, but when someone pretty much unknown gets in touch (me) - I doubt whether they google out before sorting the issue. Nor I am associated with them in any way, though🤘🏼
Thats true, but setting up B tension is crucial thing in order 52T to work flawless. Which, causes more tension to the derraileur at the biggest sprocket, too:)
I have the same problem with my Garbaruk cassette. I suspect it is from the first installation. That spacer through the middle of the cassette is initially a bit loose, maybe more on some cassettes than others. The first time the lock ring is torqued the spacer is not loose anymore. I believe the slack is not taken up evenly through the cassette so the derailleur can only be tuned to half of the gears.
Not sure why this happens seen a video on this before, but yours is in depth. Mine was perfectly straight. And bolts sere secure. Did not come loose. Great they replaced it. 👌Did it happen after 4idinh it or did it come warped? I have 11-50t 11 speed HG.
Hey, as I haven't checked it brand new in the beginning, hard to tell. But based on the fact that new cassette does not have this affect, I would say after riding.
Hey! I am using Garbaruk SRAM 10to52 without any Problems. Very Happy about the colorfree Version. Changed pulleys to those from Garbaruk for XXL eagle, too. Less axial Play.
Hey! By no means this video is to have something against Garbaruk cassettes - it can happen to any. Most likely, for lightweight things - more often. It's just what has happened to me, might happen to someone else too - and in case if it does, then it will be clear what to do:) How does the pulleys works - are they bigger than originals for SRAM as well?
@@tom10crafted Hello, if using the original Rear Derailleur Cage for SRAM XX1 eagle only 12T + 14T is possible. I have mounted now the garbaruk Rear Derailleur Cage for SRAM 11/12-speed together with 12T + 16T. Because of this ugly cold weather I still have no experience yet.
I noticed this brand a few months ago I was looking into finding a lighter weight 11 speed Shimano XT cassette for my gravel bike that runs Shimano GRX one x . My specialized diverge is still to me on the heavy side. It could be because of the battery for electronic shifting. I don’t know, but the weight of the cassettes are not much less than what I already have. It’s not gonna make much big of a difference to spend that kind of money and not have much of a gain or reduction and weight, so I’ll just stick with what I have but it’s nice to know we have options.
Well, just for your interest - XT cassette of 11speed is 400g+. Garbaruk, is below 300g? Not saying cassette weight gains matters much, but 100g +is 100g+ - significant weight, especially for a gravel bike.
@@tom10crafted just logged on to Garbunk 300 & 314 +/- 2% . I’ll look into or consider it again see if it’s worth it for me or if it’ll make a big difference or something noticeable that is.
@@tom10crafted i will never have 1/2x on mtb, because: 3x lasts longer, it is free for me, i have parts for it for 3 lives, but i drove behind 1x driver and he had problem to shift fast from 12. gear to 1. , because first was downhill and then started steep uphill, he had to force shifting when he almost stopped, i shifted in 2 seconds from 24. to 1. gear😀
Just a thought... I also had the same issue with the pins holding the various cogs together affecting the shifting over time. Mine is a lower tier steel, nothing special, but with the lighter/better quality machined cassette you are using do you think the "swing", as you put it develops as the pins become lose, eventually warping it? I'm putting Loctite on mine after inspecting that there looks like there was never any to begin with. One of them sheered off at the threads actually. The vibration a cassette deals with is practically constant. No wonder these aftermarket cassettes are doing this. I have a nicer machined/lightweight chinese cassette on my road bike and a new one on the way for my mtb. I'll be making sure the threads are sufficiently covered with Loctite on all. I'm curious to see if I develop these issues. Glad I caught this vid.
Thanks for sharing. Actually I asked support for the reasons this could have happened - but they did not responded. While the red cassette bolts were pretty much all tight, applying tiny amount of threadlock could help it to stay in tact. But in case you ever need to dismantle it - do not be too generous with putting too much of it.
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After 3000km: ua-cam.com/video/cKzVGt4sWNY/v-deo.html
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After 13000km: ua-cam.com/video/rdA2A6DlBtI/v-deo.htmlsi=oaLrHzTqRPLvyS7p
Mistake - Garbaruk cassette is manufactured from the hardened-steel monoblock not aluminum! That is huge difference. Only the 52-teeth cog is from aluminum alloy.
Thanks for a spot!!!
Aluminum 7075-T651
Chromoly steel, nickel plated
4 days of waiting for the warranty to be considered, and a new cassette to be shipped. This is exceptionally good customer service. Well done Garbaruk :)
Sorry to hear that! Did you experienced the same issue with the cassette or something else?
@@tom10crafted No, I mean that Garbaruk solved your case in 4 days, which is a great result compared to other companies.
@@COOLBIKEyt ahhh, I thought it was irony of you waiting 4days with no response, hahah! Indeed, I was surprised by such turnaround - and probably mostly by shipping time - it was before-christmas period, deliveries usually are busted in warehouses like hell:))
@@tom10crafted Exactly, I noticed that too. That's why, in my opinion, they handled tit extremely quickly.
Glad they used bolts instead of rivets I've had issues with riveted cassettes, at least you can tighten the bolts 😂
The funny thing is that when you don't expect that there are bolts, you don't even look for them to be checked, haha! but yeah, this might also helps to make colored versions more easily.
Yet, doesn't seem that they would be selling biggest sprockets separate
Quite frankly I would've never switched XTR for garbaruk. HG+ is superior to mid tier garbaruk performance. Shifting ramps are terrible on garbaruk and that's the biggest issue to me.
Well, now consider riding overused and worn out XTR or new Garbaruk in a race, and the perspective might change, haha. On the other hand, agree that chain movement, compared to XTR it not butter smooth.
Pretty happy with Zitto stuff. Shifting just as bad as Garbaruk but only about $120😂
@@veganpotterthevegan I'm happy with my X01 cassette. I bought it for $160 and I'm running it with XX1 chain. Hard to find any more durable setup. Shifting is also great.
I have a spare XX1 rainbow cassette I bought for $180 on a discount, so no surprises and shortcuts for me
@Silkl4sh I'm honestly happy with the ZTTO stuff. I do have e*thirteen on my racing wheels. They shift a bit better, nearly as good as legit SRAM stuff but they're cheaper and lighter
@@veganpotterthevegan a friend of mine uses ZTTO cassette and he says it's fine. Their higher tier cassettes are pretty good (at least what some people said) but low end are total garbage. I bought one for my commuter and it was so bad I switched to SLX 11-46 right away.
IDC about drivetrain weight but I love flawless shifting.
Does that mean Garbageruk’s manufacturing tolerances are sloppy?
Or maybe I have enormous amount of power in my legs?! haha! Not sure for the actual reasons of this tbh
I built up a gravel bike with a Garbaruk 11 speed cassette, sram force derailleur with a garbaruk long cage mod and it simply didn't work correctly no matter how much I tuned it. I ended up replacing it with sram eagle and a 'ratio' shifter mod, it fixed and now my bike was rideable but still not 100% right under high load, ended up being the derailleur hanger got bent in shipping. It still shows that sram eagle could handle the slightly bent hanger but the Garbaruk cassette couldn't handle it and the setup needs to be perfect.
Can't agree more about setup needs of perfection - if something is just slightly off, the hard time of timing the gears knocks at the doors
I had problems with that cassette too.
In last models they have rework gears for flawless shifting.
I just received the new cassette from warranty.but i have not mount it yet.
Was it also bent in some way like here, or else? I wonder if this comes as a result of power/shifting on load, or something else:)) Purposefully I don't do that for certain, but... We all been there:D
I'm not sure but I've not manged to bed this cassette. Everything is straight. So far bes performing cassette I've had. But I will see how it does after lots of riding. @@tom10crafted
@@tom10crafted i just check the old one.not bend at all.just not swift right.
I've had issues with 2 of the 6 I've used. 1 cracked between the bottom 3-4 cogs on the carrier after 1 ride (material/manufacturing defect?) and 1 had the 2nd smallest cog that wouldn't stop clicking even when all other cogs were flawless and derailleur and hanger were straight. Both were warrantied. The other 4 I've ran well. 1st one died after about 2700miles, the other 3 are fine still. For the bolts, I've Loctited them all from the get go and never had an issue.
Now you have some history with GRBK! 😎
Thanks for this video. I have had this issue with a Shimano SLX 12s cassette. Could not index the gears correctly, and spent hours trying EVERYTHING, with same symptoms as you stated. After switching out to the OE Sunrace cassette the problem went away. Just checked the SLX cassette and it has a slight bend to it, similar to the black garbaruk you have.
Good to know you narrowed it down! For me this came as a surprise🙈
I just found a video in polish, where cassette is being assembled.
Few notices:
~ Threadlock IS actually applied, but not on the bolt.
~ Assembly of biggest sprocket, in being done in a circular order. Probably the bolts are too tiny to cause any issues, but normally such assemblies are done against, not after the bolts.
ua-cam.com/video/lO8sV4C3pno/v-deo.htmlsi=yCuRMkb-QZJziQD-&t=551
I have one. its been very problematic. sitting in a box now.
On which drivetrain, whats the issue?? I assume it is a bit more trickier to setup it for Shimano 51cage than just make a swap on native 52 to 52 on sram!
I used 3 Garbaruk cassettes and I had a problem with each of them.
What sort of issues it was?
Do you find your XTR cassettes creak in the top 3 easiest gears?
I haven't myself, but heard and seen stories where it not fully engages at the location where biggest sprockets connects to monoblock - that could be the cause as well.
Recently bought a microspline Garbaruk 10-52 cassette. Had problems day one when shifting from the 12th gear to the 11th gear. The chain just didn't engage to the cog a bit randomly. Replaced three chains but nothing. I've opened a ticket to the seller and we started a very big back and forth troubleshooting sending videos. Garbaruk at first tried to evade the claim by saying that my hanger is bent, the B tension is wrong my cable is lose etc etc. Took me about 20 days to prove and push that the problem is with the cassete and I've spent money buying new shimano cassete since I couldn't train or race on my bike. Sent videos to the seller with other cassette working and eventually the claim was accepted. Now I am waiting for the replacement.
Note: I went through all that using my own bike cave and tools and I also visisted and consulted my trusted mechanic that he also concluded that the problem was the cassete. Imagine being someone with limited mechanical skills. Someone could have ended up swapping the entire drivetrain and spending tons of money due to the negligence of garbaruk accepting their fault.
Bottomline: Garbaruk cassette never again.
Thanks for sharing! The issue I faced look very much like you described - chain was not going off 12th and was being stuck at some sections.
Did you happened to find out whether it also had swing once removed?
@@tom10crafted No, actually it never crossed my mind to check the cassete for this wobble that you did. Possibly the problem was this because my cassete was randomly engaging and in my mind this could have caused the problem. I have returned the faulty one back to the seller and I am expecting the replacement one that I will perform your check before installing. Hopefully it will be ok this time but it seems that this one is a known issue for garbaruk that they are trying to hide.
@@kkostasgr fingers crossed - but probably getting money back would be wiser choice, if applicable
@@tom10crafted unfortunately r2bike didn't offer a refund but they shipped the replacement right away instead. I wish the replacement will work this time because I can use a couple hundred grams reduction to my rear wheel😁
@@tom10crafted Got the replacement today. There was no wobble as with your case in the video. Shifting is great as expected on the repair stand. I will go for a spin tomorrow to check everything out. One thing I've noticed, my previous box had a colored sticker with a pen mark on it usually like a QC or PN. The previous cassete had a redish colored sticker and this one has a green one. Any thoughts on this?
I started to order a Garbaruk cassette but I saw all of the very mixed reviews.
The best way to figure out is to figure out on your own 🤌🏻
@tom10crafted I agree. But it is a lot of money if it doesn't work out. I know the SRAM works. Although, the SRAM does cost a lot more. OK. You may have convinced me.
I run xt 11speed and 12 speed on both my xc hardtails
Brands are always nice with influencers and youtubers for obvious reasons, this may sound controversial but it is what it is.
That might be true with bigger audiences, but when someone pretty much unknown gets in touch (me) - I doubt whether they google out before sorting the issue. Nor I am associated with them in any way, though🤘🏼
Purple Garbaruk could look better on your bike, but as you said. I have no taste :D :D :D
Thats not what I said!! :DD Defamation and false facts! :D
Deore xt is best
Best quality/price ratio for sure🤘🏼
Shimano Derailleurs work fine with 52t
Thats true, but setting up B tension is crucial thing in order 52T to work flawless. Which, causes more tension to the derraileur at the biggest sprocket, too:)
I have the same problem with my Garbaruk cassette. I suspect it is from the first installation. That spacer through the middle of the cassette is initially a bit loose, maybe more on some cassettes than others. The first time the lock ring is torqued the spacer is not loose anymore. I believe the slack is not taken up evenly through the cassette so the derailleur can only be tuned to half of the gears.
Which of the spacer you are referring to?
The black tube in the centre of the cassette. It is in the FAQ on the Garbaruk website that it may rattle until the cassette is tightened.
Not sure why this happens seen a video on this before, but yours is in depth. Mine was perfectly straight. And bolts sere secure. Did not come loose. Great they replaced it. 👌Did it happen after 4idinh it or did it come warped?
I have 11-50t 11 speed HG.
Hey, as I haven't checked it brand new in the beginning, hard to tell. But based on the fact that new cassette does not have this affect, I would say after riding.
Hey! I am using Garbaruk SRAM 10to52 without any Problems. Very Happy about the colorfree Version. Changed pulleys to those from Garbaruk for XXL eagle, too. Less axial Play.
Hey! By no means this video is to have something against Garbaruk cassettes - it can happen to any. Most likely, for lightweight things - more often. It's just what has happened to me, might happen to someone else too - and in case if it does, then it will be clear what to do:) How does the pulleys works - are they bigger than originals for SRAM as well?
@@tom10crafted Hello, if using the original Rear Derailleur Cage for SRAM XX1 eagle only 12T + 14T is possible.
I have mounted now the garbaruk Rear Derailleur Cage for SRAM 11/12-speed together with 12T + 16T.
Because of this ugly cold weather I still have no experience yet.
I noticed this brand a few months ago I was looking into finding a lighter weight 11 speed Shimano XT cassette for my gravel bike that runs Shimano GRX one x . My specialized diverge is still to me on the heavy side. It could be because of the battery for electronic shifting. I don’t know, but the weight of the cassettes are not much less than what I already have. It’s not gonna make much big of a difference to spend that kind of money and not have much of a gain or reduction and weight, so I’ll just stick with what I have but it’s nice to know we have options.
Well, just for your interest - XT cassette of 11speed is 400g+. Garbaruk, is below 300g?
Not saying cassette weight gains matters much, but 100g +is 100g+ - significant weight, especially for a gravel bike.
@@tom10crafted just logged on to Garbunk 300 & 314 +/- 2% . I’ll look into or consider it again see if it’s worth it for me or if it’ll make a big difference or something noticeable that is.
@@shirtlessGraveler305 apart from weight - nothing else to gain. Well, unless you would go with bigger size than you have🤘🏼
Garbarage 🙂
It would be Garbage if failed after few rides :p
new technology, new problems (on my 3x8 , i do not have any problems, just wax and drive)
Everything has its own purpose and use - so as 1X drivetrain🤘🏼
@@tom10crafted yes, purpose of 1x is to sell new different thing that is worse than old one😀
@@makantahi3731 let me know when you get a chance to ride 1X and compare it with 3X - we might see some opinion shifts here 😅🤌🏻
@@tom10crafted i will never have 1/2x on mtb, because: 3x lasts longer, it is free for me, i have parts for it for 3 lives, but i drove behind 1x driver and he had problem to shift fast from 12. gear to 1. , because first was downhill and then started steep uphill, he had to force shifting when he almost stopped, i shifted in 2 seconds from 24. to 1. gear😀
@@makantahi3731 that is not a problem of system tbh 😅
You get what you pay for.
How much paying is enough? :D
Nice video!
Thanks, Piotr! 🫡
the best warranty it's the one your never use like with shimano, they xtr cassette is another level
Well said! 🤭 yet XTR’s are not bulletproof either 👀
Just a thought... I also had the same issue with the pins holding the various cogs together affecting the shifting over time. Mine is a lower tier steel, nothing special, but with the lighter/better quality machined cassette you are using do you think the "swing", as you put it develops as the pins become lose, eventually warping it?
I'm putting Loctite on mine after inspecting that there looks like there was never any to begin with. One of them sheered off at the threads actually.
The vibration a cassette deals with is practically constant. No wonder these aftermarket cassettes are doing this.
I have a nicer machined/lightweight chinese cassette on my road bike and a new one on the way for my mtb. I'll be making sure the threads are sufficiently covered with Loctite on all. I'm curious to see if I develop these issues.
Glad I caught this vid.
Thanks for sharing. Actually I asked support for the reasons this could have happened - but they did not responded. While the red cassette bolts were pretty much all tight, applying tiny amount of threadlock could help it to stay in tact. But in case you ever need to dismantle it - do not be too generous with putting too much of it.