How To Align The Chapter Ring On A Seiko SKX007 - Watch and Learn #46
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2018
- Many of you have requested a video demonstrating how to fix a misaligned chapter ring on the Seiko SKX007. In today's video, we will show you how to repair the misalignment, if you are brave enough for the challenge!
Note: This method will work for most Seiko divers that have the chapter ring inserted through the front of the watch, such as the SKX007, SKX009, SKX173, SKX175, SKXA35 and the Samurai and Turtle watches.
Even if you don't try it, we hope you learn something!
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Can the movement be taken out with the chapter ring glued to the dial? Thanks for the video!
Great question, and I didn't say it. You can still remove it, as we didn't use much glue and it's removable. BUT, really, the glue should just be applied to the side of the chapter ring so the movement doesn't stick to it. My sloppiness, though, had the glue flowing around.
No
A big NO.
My chapter ring is misaligned and after seeing the great tutorial video my chapter ring WILL stay misaligned ... :) thank you !
LOLOLOL
John McKlane good for you the actual problem is the chapter ring printing not alignment being a machanical watch the second hand dosnt need to hit markers so no problem .enjoy you watch and sont get so boged down with tiny details if that really dose bother people they should buy from a shop in person so they can inspect before buying or spend more money on a better quality controled watch
lol lol The same ... this great video has actually made me appreciate the chapter ring more, and i'm now fine with it being slightly out. Thanks Mark.
Lol, me too... Nothing's perfect
You got the K. Am i right? Those are the ones w/ quality control issues
Send this video to the seiko manufacturers, its their job
Eh, it's a tradeoff we pay for mass production
Mark , i respect you a lot, but i'am sorry, i don't agree. I own a much cheaper "Pulsar" Solar quartz, it hits the markers spot on. Pulsar is owned by Seiko as you know. That watch is most definitely not hand build! That means it can be done properly. I am sorry, i think an Orient Ray II is a much better choice. It takes care of all the problems of the SKX models at the same pricepoint.
@@BarnOwl61 Accually i have Orient Ray II and the day is not align property in the date window. Sometimes is little to low and little on the top so I assume that the printing is not precise it should be.
@@BarnOwl61 yeah but it doesn't have that bezel that's flush with the glass, that's my favourite thing about it, every other dive watch I've seen has a chamfered/angled bezel
@Andy Laird does the coin bezel flatten it out? I'd love to see it once it's done
This is another reason why LIW is my first choice for online watch shopping. Marc takes the time to inform his customers and that will get my loyalty. Great job Marc! Thumbs up!
Thanks so much, glad you liked it.
Just bought an ISL 28. Better movement and quality all around. Glad I never bought an SKX.
Thanks for all you do. I was able to complete the entire procedure with my Letherman. Probably pretty barbaric by horology standards, but that's why I love my skx. It can handle primitive surgery. Couldn't have done it without ya.
Thank you very much for this walkthrough. I bought the tools and did the same repair on my Sea Urchin SNZF15 without any issues, except that the chapter ring doesn't plop out along with the crystal like yours did with the SKX - I had to remove the gasket holding the crystal first. The watch is now so much more beautiful with everything lined up and I am extremely happy with the results.
You're a dedicated man, Marc. Thanks for these terrific illustrative vids!
Thank you for this information Marc! I wish the manufacturing printing process was better but then again this is a budget watch. Great inspection and details explained in this video. Clears up a lot!
Finally, a watch and learn. Take easy, Marc.
Has it been that long?!
Thanks, Mark. You are one of the very few people who really know about watches. I like what you said about not expecting too much on mass production products. Even if we pay for a luxury watch, there will always be something to pick on, if we are picky. I enjoy my few hundred dollar Seiko divers as much as I enjoy my Patek, Daytona, etc that cost tens of thousands. The truth is that the pastures are not as green on the other side as what people normally think.
Thank you, very well said.
Mark, I have the new Superlative Hulk and Batman. Both the alignments are off a bit too. And, if you put these guys next to the Tuna, Sumo, or Monster, at night, and if you have always thought that expensive is better, you will be disappointed. Today my wife is wearing the Hulk, and I, the SKX. When you have seen the world a bit, your mind would be broader in acceptance of imperfection. Enjoy life and be happy.
This was very informative and interesting to watch. If when I get mine, it isn’t aligned and bothering me, I would leave it in the hands of a pro like you to resolve. Thanks for the video!
Thanks so much for this video. I was just struggling to install a new chapter ring because it had some play under the crystal. This explained everything. Cheers.
Thanks for the demonstration Bro. I have this problem with my Citizen divers automatic. If it is easy to fly from the Philippines then I would have it serviced to your expertise. You are a nice and excellent guy. Keep reviewing.
FINALLY someone posted how to fix it! Thanks Marc you're the best!
Yeah, can't believe it hasn't been done!
Great vid Marc, thanks. Keep 'em comming!
Thank you!!!
Thanks Marc. Great video and series.
Appreciate it Steve.
Although I would never undertake something like this myself, vids of this kind are absolutely fascinating. Thanks so much, Mark. You are a legend. Haha.
Thank you Taylor. I've got lots of watches to mess up :)
Great to see another watch and learn Marc!
Thanks, enjoy watching it!
I really enjoyed watching this, it reinforced what I learned in a couple of your previous- thnx.
Great, thank you!
Thanks for this video, my chapter ring is also misaligned. I was thanking there was something wrong with the dial. But your video cleared the misconception.
Thanks, Mark, for a very informative video. I would never attempt this as I have neither the tools nor the skills to do this effectively. (I opened up my iPhone a couple of years ago to replace the battery. I had a little kit and a detailed video with instructions. I ended up taking it to a shop to get it put back together again. 😩 thankfully, the guy didn’t charge me for it.) Still, it’s good to know what’s involved in case you had to take it to a watch repair shop. I know that a local watch repair man here in Denver charges $500 just to open the case!
Great Video Mark. Personally I enjoy these do it yourself videos and has inspired me to do my owe minor service and mods. Thanks for taking the time.
Great to hear that, good luck in your endeavors!
Excellent video mark, thank you so much for sharing! Just finished up a mod on my SRPD using this video!
Thanks for a great tutorial Marc. Thanks to you I've fixed the alignment on my 009, now it's perfect :) I was lucky and there was a little play on the chapter ring hence it wasn't necessary to remove the crystal in my case :)
Nice work!!!!
Just saw a 5 minute ad, I didn't skip it. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for that!
Now I need a crystal press. Great video!! Thank you
About time! Thanks!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed.
Great video Mark. Love, love my SKX-009 on the Strapcode Super Jubilee! Thanks for that.
You are welcome!
Mark thank you this vid was very helpful for me i appreciate it.
Really wish this video came out a few days ago. I literally JUST modded my SKX and the aftermarket chapter ring installation was SUCH a PITA. Had I seen this, I would have been much more prepared.
You'll know for next time :)
I wouldn't mess with the watch . I would leave it the way it is although if you go and buy the watch from a store , you could check all those minor details previous to your purchase . Your videos , awesome , as usual .... relaxing , cool and very educative watchwise . I really enjoy them .
Very true; thanks for watching!
Great video, thanks for sharing!
Great instructions!
Great thx... didn't even realize my Monster chapter ring was misaligned until I watched this vid 😫 lol
After viewing this detailed video ... I am now planning to bring to the watch repair my New Seiko Prospex 3rd Philippine Limited Eagle Edition SPB345J1 to fix the misalligned chapter ring.
Thanks Marc! You rock.
To be honest, it looks great without the chapter ring. Clean!
Great consumer advice. How to correct the glaring and frankly embarrassing quality control issues in your Seiko watch.
Marc, I love this watch and learn series. I would be afraid to try this stuff on a Seiko, but maybe I will buy a few junk watches and try some of this. No great loss if I screw up a ten dollar watch.
Very true.
Great stuff thanks
Great video and thank you
Mark, you're a star.
Cheers buddy.
Thank you!
I managed this no problem! (In my dreams) Thanks!
Thanks Marc!
Great video, you have a lot of technical skills and knowledge!
Just a thought, it seems to me you could file the nib down on one side, if the misalignment is minor. Also, it maybe easier to put the glue on the case itself,or only in the notch, before finally fitting the chapter ring?
It's quite an hustle to do this all and need along all this tools. Most disappointing is after all and all still not perfectly aligned.
LIW teaching for free. Thanks Marc! ❤🔥
Very good, Mark!!👌🏻👌🏻✨
Thanks!!!
That Arabic day looks stunning.
thanks for sharing, great vedio
Thanks for this Mark great video as always.. Just a question, my chapter ring slides left and right, sometimes in perfect alignment. Could I just take the caseback and movement off then apply glue to the notch area once chapter ring aligned, therefore not needing to remove the crystal and chapter ring completely??
Excellent video very informative, could you please do a video on how to repair or insert a click ball for a Seiko skx007 or even a alternative solution to get the bezel working properly
Way to go Mark
You have nerves of steel Marc ! : )
... just more watches than any of us, so not a big regret if he makes a mistake. I keep learning a lot from this channel. The lesson I learned today is not to try that on my SKX013.
Mark... Anyone.... I haven't got chapter ring issues (oo-er!) but my bezel doesn't align properly.
You mentioned in your excellent video (Aren't they all?) that you have a video explaining how to align it.
I can't find it.
Could you, or anyone help?
ps. Keep up the excellent work. I'm sure you have many, many thousands of watch lovers that look forward to your videos. Thank you.
ua-cam.com/video/LZTjtUKGPWY/v-deo.html
Fantastic!
Thank you!
Won't the glue cloud the crystal as most glues are prone to do unless they are allowed to dry at least a day? By the way, great video as usual. Thanks Marc!
My SKX007J1 has a perfectly aligned chapter ring. Guess i got lucky. I was concerned abt this issue, but my brand new MADE IN JAPAN watch is perfectly centered, its soo damn nice! My advice is to get the J, not the K. Youll be much more proud to wear this iconic watch
Thank you!!!
Most welcome!
great video Marc thanks. I have a 009 Japan model and mine is perfect, i wonder if this is more of an issue with Korean models? Also whenever I wear my SKX i marvel at the case design. The curves, case shape with offset crown and finish is really quite unique, especially considering the price.
No, I see it on J and K models alike (note that K does not stand for Korea; bad misconception).
Always pleasure to watch your videos! I am modifying my skx and git a metal brushed finish chapter ring from Namoki. Is it necessary to glue it? If yes, would it be ok to use UHU? Thanks
Very informative video. Is there a way or place to send the 007 to replace water proof certification after replacing the crystal? Thanx
Sir you mess up your dial.
Thank you for this, Marc! I've been pretty lucky with my Seikos. Of all of them only my SRP605 is noticeably misaligned. So this would work with that?
After watching this, I wondered...would you consider offering this as a service to watch owners? The reason I ask is that in order to do this it appears we would have to source all the tools you made use of. For me I'd rather pay you to do this and save myself the expense. Additionally, it would be a logical time to upgrade the crystal to sapphire which you could bundle with the service at an upsell.
Hello mark, very nice videos and very informative. I just want to ask you what do you use for recording your videos? A Camera or a phone and what type. Thank you and keep up the good work.
my seiko5 has has misaligned hour and minute's hand as well..Seiko mass production carelessness!
Het Mark! My diver is a whole minute mark off almost. If I send my Seiko 7007 7000 SS to you could you fix it? Great video! Thank you!
Hello Mark!
I was wondering if there is any way to align a bezel?
Thanks
I suppose white glue might work, too? Anyway, you are right about Seiko QC. I received a SNZG15 with the hands misaligned -- 6:00 did not look like 6:00 at all; the hour hand was not pointing straight at the 6. I just got a watchmaker to fix it for about $7, but still very annoying. Thanks, Marc!
Thanks for sharing.
Good video
Thanks Good viewers!
I was so reliefed when you took your gloves off
Hi Mark, was just wondering, do you offer this as a service? I've recently purchased an SRPD71 at a really good price and immediately noticed the ring misalignment upon opening. Also, I've noticed the hour hand is a bit off and is very noticeable when on exact hours. Especially 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock. Any advice?
Hi Marc! Dumb question but it’s driving me bats. What is the difference between the Chapter Ring and the “Rehaute”?
This is the BEST series on YT imho. Thanks!
Awesome video🎉. My Seiko is really old and for some reason the whole dial is misaligned. Where the 12 is on 11 position. Any advise how I can do it myself because I am on a remote island.
@LongIslandWatch where did you get that case back wrench? It's black and cool!!
Great video! But is there any way to pop the crystal without that tool?
I assume this would void the warranty though, and it would make me think will it still be as waterproof? It's a total disgrace how so many of these models have misaligned chapter rings, they should not pass QC without aligning! How Seiko can sell these without addressing this issue is shocking. great vid for those who want to try it though!
I have an SKX013 with a misaligned chapter ring and a spare SKX013 with a perfectly aligned chapter ring. What’s the best possible way to use the spare watch as a donor? Shall I simply swap the chapter ring, or will it require swapping both the dial/movement and chapter ring?
You stop the movement with your gloved thumb. Is that ok? Genuine question about a great video.
I am sold on the "turtle". Looking around the area, I have only seen 2 srp777 watches at local shops, both have misaligned chapter rings. I'm having one of the shops get another from his supplier to see if it has better alignment. If it is misaligned....am I out of luck? Any chance that the "new" watch will be prefect?
Hi Mark, I am swapping the chapter ring on my 013. I cant get it to stay in the position where i place it once i place the movement in. Can you please provide some guidance or relase a dewsad video on this?
A plastic chapter ring with a sloppy fit inside a fairly expensive Seiko watch?
I would expect something with a close fit and an accurate alignment tab.
Thanks for the video!!!
Welcome!
"...if you catch it with the die you will crack it very easily..." listen to Max, children. he speaks the truth...take it from someone who cracked the chapter ring and had to buy a new one. great video max.
Yup, that's the way it goes down.
congrats
Thanks for your effort...i wonder why seiko is not concern to this issue they should make a correction on this "legendary watch"
I have a new tuna sbbn031 with a misaligned chapter ring. It’s a bummer on a$1100 seiko. Still love the watch more than any other Can this be fixed ?
Hi Mark. Any idea if the chapter rings on the 007/09 are the same on other Seiko? SNE499? Tuna?
I want to replace the chapter ring on an SNE499 solar tuna.
i have a ceramic bezel insert. im afraid i might crack it if i remove the crystal. is it ok to remove the bezel then remove the crystal?
Great vid thanks Marc!, this gets the modding juices going!
Does this brand of glue hold up ok over time in your experience?
For anyone that is feint of heart ... I know some (maybe not all) seiko service centers will fix miss aligned chapter rings too (even though its within tolerance). When they have done this for me, the method they used is basically just to try a selection of chapter rings until they find one that aligns well to the watch (they had a whole box of rings for popular models like the SKX).
From what I was told, the notch in the case rarely varies (as they are cast), the plastic chapter ring is obviously what suffers the QC issues, and also dial position can vary slightly from watch to watch as well (so all a little unique). Anyway they popped in a new ring that was perfect for my watch and viola, aligned ring with zero slop!
But this approach looks like way more fun!
Wow, thanks for the info. Yes, the glue will last forever. It's used for lots of little things similar to this in the jewelry industry.
It was a master class. I don't feel like doing that for I neither have the surgeon skills nor the guts. Anyway, it's great to learn how that can be done. Now I can enter in the Seiko workshop and scream they're liars if they say it is gonna take a lifetime cause it's a long and hard work, as they almost always say. Thanks a lot Mark.
LOL, glad you enjoyed it nonetheless.
Just a thought really, did you clean that glue up straight away or leave it for a short while? Interesting video, thank you for sharing.
What about using small pieces of double sided tape normally used to secure the bezel insert?
i have the skx011j , seems like the chapter ring moves a little side to side , at one moment it`s perfectly aligned then another moment slightly misaligned . Im new into watches so my question is i dont care about the misalignment , but is this something i need to get fixed ?
If the chapter ring is one solid color, like no markings, do u still need to glue it?
Marc, Thanks for doing this video. I learned quite a bit. A question though, instead of breaking the tab, could you just file it a little bit and then apply the glue at the notch to hold/align it then reinstall and align? Brother, you know better than I so will will defer to your experience. And was that a brand new watch you did that to? Noticed the case sticker and hang tags. Anyway, thanks again.-Mark
Brand new watch. The plastic is so fragile, just touching it with a file makes it disappear :)
Yeah, I think I’ll just keep it as it is :)
What kind of camera do you use. The quality is awesome
Canon Vixia HF R500. Nothing supreme.
Good stuff, it's a shame this is such an issue on these watches.
Hi, The glue is cured in 30 minutes but I was worried if the fumes from the glue may spoil the crystal or chapter ring. I did a lot of plastic models as a kid and you can not use the same glue that you use for aplastic model. If you are working with a airplane canopy or car windshield, you need to use a very different kind of glue that has no petrol fumes because it spoils the transparent piece of plastic permanently. Do I have to be careful with the glue that you are using in this video? By the way, you didn’t mentioned the silicon sealer. By any chance a single drop of the silicon may jump out of the casket if you leave the crystal for the final assembly?
A nice video, thank you, Marc. I suspect the print job on the chapter ring is also off. I mean if it fits at 12 and does not fit at 6 must mean something is off, mustn't it? Sloppy job on Seiko's part I guess. But your results are pretty good and I would not bother any more about this. Thanks again!
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Zsolto66 I think because the 12 hour marker is much bigger it's harder to see the misalignment
good point, also some watches (maybe all) seem to have the minute markers on the dial itself printed inconsistently. So that when the second hand hits 60 the minute had doesn't hit the minute markers exactly all the way around the dial. I had that on a used early 2000s Omega Seamaster and it really irked me lol, on a supposedly luxury 'professional chronometer' etc ... probably a reason many watch dials have minute hands which don't reach the minute markers to make it less obvious
I thought about that, and then thought, no, you are thinking you must rotate the chapter ring. Nope. Imagine the 12:00 is a pivot, and I can swing it back and forth. The 12 won't move, the 3 and 9 only slightly, but the 6 would have a big impact.
Long Island Watch I see what you mean and no, I did not think about that. I thought the chapter ring had such a snug fit that it could not move 'sideways' like a pendulum suspended at the 12 o'clock marker. Thanks for clarifying this, Marc.
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blindriv3r I know what you mean lol and it also makes me go nuts. But I always thought it was related to the mechanics of the seconds hand, I mean I have never detected any inconsisteny with the spacing of the markers. Also, sometimes the same watch can hit certain markers spot on and on the next minute miss them completely, at least on some on my Sekondas, Casios and Timexes. That said, in my experience all analogue Casio Waveceptors with a seconds hand hit the markers with amazing and constant accuracy. Search for a video on the WVA-M640 as an example. I love to watch the seconds hand of that watch :) They must have different mechanics compared to their lesser brothers I guess.