Walmart seeks legal action in warehouse fire
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Can they be sued for poor customer service along with low quality produce?
And thinking every shopper is a thief
Amen! Let’s start a class action lawsuit so I can get my 5.32$ settlement😅
@@justinpoland1137 😂😂
get the fuck off youtube and go find out
don't want low quality produce. shop at a higher quality store. and pay higher prices.
Former fire inspector here, once the periodic inspection is completed they go back to their negligent practices that defeat many fire protection systems.
FIRST, PLAN FOR A RAIN DAY. THAT WAREHOUSE COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN DIVIDE UP INTO 4 WAREHOUSES, GINGERLY SPACE APART. JUST TO (PREVENT) a CATASTROPHE EVEN, JUST LIKE THIS FROM EVER HAPPING.
COUNTER SUE, WALMARTS, for a HINDENBURG WAREHOUSE DESIGN, GENERATING A HIGHER RISK TO LIFE ANS PROPERTY.
WALMART, save a penny. INSTEAD OF taking a step back, to PUT IN STEPS TO PREVENT, the worst from taking place.
HAVE CENTER CINDER BLOCK DIVIDER WALLS, (AND) safe basements where people can go in EMERGENCIES, that can be utilized 24/7. FIRE NO PROBLEM.
I’m gonna be honest, I work at a dodge dealer my grandpa owns, we have a room that’s upstairs that is filled with probably over 500 tires(they are stock)
@@DiscoMiata The state fire code and NFPA standards set requirements for safely storing those tires. Talk to your local fire inspector/marshal or consult with a professional engineer to evaluate the storage. First thing is to eliminate any potential conditions that would start a fire in any area in the vicinity.
Here's my two cents, the fire fighters showed up, did what they could for the size, put their life in the line. Walmart needs to remove their lawsuit and have respect for public safety. Or have a federal action step in and make the law suit void.
If men are not respected, we're not going to step up.
For real.
@@redman5158 I blame. BLM.
You must not know this is America and corporate don't give AF
@@rhondaclark716 😂 they started this rising of hell for sure.
This is an atrocious claim by Walmart.
Why, they screwed the pooch on fighting the fire. You NEVER shut down a suppression system. Of course calling the fire under control didn't help.
Even when there is insufficient water supply for the hose lines and the sprinkler system?
@@skidude8989 you do if it's damaged and causing the rest of the suppression system to be ineffective.
@@skidude8989 The reason they shut down the suppression system in the area the fire was in is because all it was doing was wasting water to other areas. They shut it down because it was laying on the ground as the roof had failed in. There were NO sprinklers for the water to go to the roof had fell in
@@ssbohio In the section they turned off the sprinklers were laying on the ground as the roof had fell in. People listening on the radio had no clue as to what was going on.
Whoever in Walmart Management team thought suing fire departments is smart, needs termination
I'm guessing here, but Walmart probably self insures, so they will try any trick to reduce their bill.
Five million dollars is pocket change to Walmart. This is a joke. A million square fot warehouse with a HUGE fire load protected by under powered sprinklers. Yeah, they're gonna lose it and Wallyworld knew it going into the construction of the building.
From everything I have seen of pictures before the first truck got there, fire was already through the roof. That building is absolutely gone no matter what they try to do to save it.
That's what all mediocre people say. A person with a strong and responsible Work Ethic would always look for something to protect and save.
Even so, it should've been a containment, do not let it spread to the rest of the building. I swear I do not see enough equipment on scene. Fire outran their equipment.
@@ghostbuilder3187 You are correct about stopping the threat.
The question I have is what difference (financially) would it have made? It doesn't matter if more of the building could have been saved, the question is would it have cost less to rebuild? As for the merchandise inside, would more of it have been sellable, or would all of it been smoke damaged anyway?
@@russellhltn1396 The JOB of a firefighter is to stop combustion and save property, period. The things you mentioned are not their concern.
An incredible example of what wartmart stands for.
5million is pocket change to the top tier of that greedy family. To sue a fire department because their building and all the merch inside was destroyed is like blaming the station the weatherman is employed by; for the body count following a hurricane or flash flood.
Or the police after a bank heist, where the robbers manage to get away with the money.
The Walyon family sold controlling interest of Walmart not that long after Sam Walton died, and I think some have sold the rest of their shares.
@@georgeadkins7587 so what? They are still leeches.
They have insurance as well
@@georgeadkins7587 no they did not
@@megclifton6692 they might report they did, but using shell corporations they could easily bury the trail back to the family.
And by COULD I only mean WOULD.
If I was a firefighter I would refuse to respond to any calls to any Walmart nationwide until they dropped this lawsuit. I hope their unions back them up. Deny all mutual aid requests for calls at a Walmart in another jurisdiction. I hope every fire marshal in the country decides to drop in for a "surprise" inspection of their local Walmart and writes up every single violation in the book.
Good to know you would let employees and if a store, customers die because you have a problem with Walmart.
This lawsuit comes from Walmart corporate, It has nothing to do with individual stores and the people who work there. Firefighters would not hold a grudge against a particular store chain because of a decision made by some suit behind the scenes.
I'm glad you're not a firefighter. I am, and regardless of personal feelings toward any person or company, I do my job to the best of my abilities 100% of the time. That's called being professional.
We can only hope that we get a judge in this case that's not paid off by Walmart and refuse their lawsuit against the firefighters 1st of all there wasn't enough water pressure to keep the sprinkler systems going along with all the fire trucks that were on scene. Anybody that knows anything about fire suppression would realize that that was the case when you're pumping millions of gallons of water. Cheap Walmart should have had a water tower and they're parking lot for in case of emergency like this but no once again Walmart cut corners.
@@garypfleegor1634 lack of water pressure should have been addressed during the build, politicians seen tax dollars and ignored safety, anytime a water system can't keep up with the demand during a fire ( which is easily figured out prior to building approval ) the Buisiness should have to put in some sort of reserve.
Largest corporation in America suing small town fire department heroes who risked their lives to protect the corporation’s assets. Can’t think of anything more American. Boycott Walmart (and Amazon while you’re at it)
The fuel load obviously overwhelmed the suppression system. Also, depending on how items were stored, the sprinklers could have been blocked by stacks of products. They obviously didn't have fire doors, or curtains, between sections of the warehouse, or automatic roof vents. Check your fire safety systems Walmart. Build your buildings to be fire safe. Look for the cause of the fire. Don't blame those fighting it. Regardless of how much water is available, some fires are just too big. Based on the size of the building, were the units on scene able to provide the needed gallons per minute to extinguish the blaze? Sometimes the only thing you can do is protect the exposures until the fire burns down to a manageable size.
Yup. I'd more likely blame a fuckup on wal marts part. More than likely they weren't upkeeping their sprinklers. Doubt they checked risers and performed flow tests or anything.
Looks to me there was no fire fighting going on just a little water being sprayed from afar... I think Walmart claim is valid...the fire fighting was completely inept at best
@@glennschlorf1285 have you ever fought a fire? Especially one of this magnitude? It was a defensive operation from the beginning. An offensive operation, in that building, would have been deadly for the firefighters. They don't make buildings like they used to.
Well I guess Walmart should’ve considered what the fuel load would be when they build the warehouse. Guaranteed they used the minimum building code. Which they’ll probably sue about also. That the government didn’t Force them to make the building fire resistant.
@@glennschlorf1285 and that's not actionable. Qualified immunity will protect them
People don’t realize that these commercial buildings are so dangerous because of their fuel load (how much crap that can burn inside). They simply just didn’t have enough water to put on the fire, it’s a common issue to face as a fire fighter as you got to realize the water company can only give you so much water before they run out as well. I could go into the steam conversion ratio of water so you could get a rough estimate of how much water it takes for a fuel load of that size. But what do I know? I’m just a dumb firefighter.
It's 1600 to 1, but once that roof opened up, the building can't hold that steam in to make that conversion ratio work. 🤷♂️ I've delivered to a lot of these Walmart warehouses, there's not enough water to convert to steam to knock a fire down in one if it gets away from the suppression system.
There's no such thing as a dumb fire fighter. Thank them all for there service..!
@@firefighterpk2440 That fire grew so quickly, it was lost from the getgo! The
We lost a bowling alley we had all of are dept in are areas plus other departments from nother county we used are ladder and in 3 hours we pumped 300,000 gallons and could not stop it we pumped from the lake toned at 2 am got done at 12 pm like a million gallons of water so ya firefighters are dumb just like police what a joke fuck wal mart they have insurance good luck next they will want to defund the fire department 30 years as a volunteer and I just retired at 51 years old
Yo, why did they want to open the doors? Create a stack effect and really let that building rage? Also the fire suppression was turned off where the fire started... When was it turned off? In the beginning?
If I lost water pressure to the sprinklers I would turn off the water in the worst dammaged areas "possibly damaged or broken sprinklers" in order to save other areas that have less damage. Trying to save as much as possible.
If, lets say that the riser was damaged and flowing water from a broken pipe, it could be robbing water from the yard hydrants. I agree with this call. First lets look at the volume of fire for first arriving companies. It could've been a situation where you have to say, "Lets write off this part and concentrate on that part."
That is one "Possible" scenario that you are correct about. Could have been the one here but we don't know that.
@@Wa3ypx You have to stop This part from creating the radiant heart that is threatening the other parts. Most departments don't Get That because all they react to is Protection without Thinking about how to accomplish that. Remove the threat and you don't have to protect.
@@JB91710 Youre right. Take care of the heat and the rest takes care of itself! Ya hate to Monday morning quarterback too, but I discussed this fire with another local chief when it was first reported. I couldn't figure out why it looked like a heavy involvement of a flammable liquid fire. He said "Early in the summer season, possible pallets Coleman camp fuel." Maybe?
@@Wa3ypx Plastics and foam. The roof was covered with rubber and foam insulation. The building was like an oven which raises temps so high everything burns.
firefighters are exempt from lawsuits dealing with fire damage.
this proves that indiana's attorney general is not a licensed attorney.
investigations should be made.
They shouldn't be exempt any more than anyone else for a lack of performance.
@@JB91710 firefighters perform well this was a massive fire in a warehouse full of fuel and combustibles we need firefighters exempt so that we HAVE firefighters to put out the fires that go out of control and firefighters are trained to limit as much damage while putting out fires
@@KINGMAT692 BS! Everything you said was BS. You provided no proof of what you said. I have endless Proof that 95% of USA departments have no clue what their job is.
@@JB91710 you not familiar with "good Samaritan " laws?? esp. with volunteer fire depts. in rural and small town area. In first aid, you covered as you're trying to help, no matter what. If you didn't exempt responders, they simply wouldn't respond to a bad scene assessment.
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki Now compare what you just said to any employee at any job but first, get that "First Responder, Hero" crap out of your head. If you take on a JOB, you have a Responsibility to do the JOB correctly. If you don't, you get fired and the employer hires someone who can. In the case of a Fire department, the chief and officers work for the town. If the town officials don't hire the right people, the victims should be able to sue the town. Obviously, they aren't trying to sue the chief or the firefighters. People pay taxes for fire protection. If the town can't provide that protection, they should compensate the victims. Towns have liability insurance like any other business.
May God Always Protect The Firefighters In JESUS Name Amen
give it a rest
@@mikemiller659 Why are you worrying about me praying? I Will🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 When all the freaking headlines talk about Our Emergency Services being attacked for doing their job. You don’t have to agree or respond. I wish you well, in Jesus Name. They come to Our aide in Our time of need. Good luck and God be with you.
Stop it FF are scumbags
Fuck Jesus (this is gonna get a lot more response than your original post rofl)
@@Jamfanwp may God Have HIS Way With You…Good Luck ✝️✝️✝️🔥🔥🔥
What a ridiculous law suit. Didn't they have insurance? Or maybe they didn't buy the extended warranty! 🤔
Just have to remember wart-Mall is a Corporate Elite World Economic Forum member and are out to destroy the world any way they can.... besides in my opinion they even started the firein there own warehouse with there cheep Lithuanian Batteries like every thing else in there store made in China with underpaid child labour.....
Walmart tends to follow "self insurance"...
Basically, they're so big that they can legally insure themselves and not spend any money to an insurance company.
As per them suing for 5 million, if I was the Fire Chief, I'd use the EXACT same excuse that cops have used... qualified immunity/ firefighters have no duty to protect you or your property. In fact, Walmart owns so many warehouses and they're usually so far away from fire stations, that Walmart should be forced to purchase, maintain, and train personnel to put out their own fires. Dont get me started on getting through their security guards without signing in either...
No they bought the extended warranty only to find out that it doesn't cover fire damage lol
I’m glad Wally World’s attorneys know more about fireground operations than actual fire personnel. First problem with the lawsuit: opening the doors for ventilation. Duuuuhhhh.. that happens all the time. Interior crews can’t see crap, so ventilation is needed to get rid of smoke from the interior.
Second: the riser issue. Regardless of whether the riser was shut down or not doesn’t matter as the fire was above said risers (in the roof), thus making it useless. I can’t wait for the chief to own their asses in court.
God I hope so. This is Rediculous. Like the money to rebuild would come out of their pockets. I hope the judge is awake on this one
The fire didn't start in the roof. Maybe there's a reason they shut off the risers, they need to tell Walmart why.
@@tira2145
No, but the fire easily spread through the walls to the roof..
@@Tr2u1ck the walls are concrete. Neither one of us were there.
While I generally despise lawsuits, sometimes they are needed to expose what went wrong. This warehouse was new and built to code. Why did the fire suppression system not control the fire?
A lot of questions, sometimes it takes a lawsuit to find out.
I am just thankful everyone got out, next time it might not be.
@@tira2145 walls are concrete, but racking is probably 30'-40' high and stacked with pallets full of boxes right up close to the steel rafters. I've been in a lot of their warehouses delivering loads over the years. It's a common wide open space, and the only dividing wall is between the dry warehouse and the cooler/freezer side. No stopping a well seated fire if the suppression system doesn't knock it down.
Alright that settles it for me...Walmart gets no more of mine or my families business : These men and women risk there lives and this is what they face ? Your company deserves to tank
Why did they open door's and shut off the risers? You act like the government never screws up and can't be held accountable.
I haven’t stepped foot in a walmart in almost 20 years and I never will again. I’m doing just find btw.
@@michaelhudak2132 so, what is your point? Should you get some kind of award? It's amazing how people want attention for simply living there life.
What... $2k per year? They'll feel that!!
@@michaelhudak2132 no one asked
I hope Plainfield takes this in account when issuing a new work permit (Or equivalent) for Walmart to set up or buy a new warehouse. Costs outweighing benefits maybe? I'm sure there's alot of factors to consider in this.
yea. because walmart is planning on building another warehouse there, stupid.
So I'm going to put my two cents in on this. Personally I think this is a crappy move by Walmart. As for the people talking about potential mistakes made, can I ask one question. Were any of you in the building before the fire, and aware of the fire load, especially when it comes to concentration of flammable materials? Also how would you have handled the situation? I've been in a warehouse or two in my time, and I can tell you that when it comes to conditions inside the building I have seen some situations that gave me a little pause. And had me looking for the nearest fire exit just in case. Trust me try bringing it up with management. They don't always listen. All I know is you're looking at a lot of flammable material in a distribution center. We're talking cardboard boxes, wooden pallets, heck even the plastic ones. Not to mention clothing, any furniture that might have been in the building, and anything else that could have burnt. To me Walmart's lucky nobody died, because then they have a lot more problems than just the loss of one distribution center. I'll guarantee you Walmart wasn't exactly following fire codes when it came to the building, especially preventing fires. And as a side note my wife worked at Walmart for over 2 years. In one of the stores, and they didn't exactly do a really good job of clearing flammable boxes and other flammable materials from the back stockroom. So I just have to question whether they were doing the job in Plainfield.
I totally agree. As a fire protection specialist by degree, these centers are in my estimation "built to burn". Walmart Management is just like many other "big box" stores. Next time you go into "Any" of them as they're designed all the same, do your own fire inspection !! Other than main "exit's" where are they? Clearly life safety is number one. I tell all my friends and loved ones; if you hear a Fire Alarm, LEAVE. Forget your cart and get out!!
Next, zero material separation. No fire walls with fire doors SO, your lumber, flammables and combustibles are inter mixed under one roof. My question is, "are employees trained to use the first aid fire suppression equipment"?? Why is there "Marginal delay in notifying fire departments"?? There are employees all over aside from customers who I would think NOTICE A FIRE IMMEDIATELY! Now the question of shutting DOWN Automatic Sprinkler Risers! Not only am I a degreed specialist in fire suppression but a 20 yr fire fighter. Once the riser over the fire operates, providing it is protecting a fire not designed for, water flows on the fire, a fire pump starts and if the area is not "overloaded" it will CONTAIN the fire until arrival of fire fighters...Now hear are the problems, fire load of mixed materials (flammable and Combustibles). The sprinklers are impaired!!! Now the fire grows toward the ROOF. Once the fire goes through the roof and roof and ceiling material fails and falls BRINGING DOWN SPRINLER PIPING. Now you have potentially a Six inch main open to flow. Now the next section is Unprotected. So you shut down the risers and keep your water at pressure available for manual fire fighting. From my experience you might want to "trench" the roof but that depends on fire spread below and fire fighter Safety!
I personally believe these buildings are built to burn considering the fire loading! Heck they're insured as a highly protected risk. I sincerely doubt that even if the complex had a knowledgeable person on fire protection, management would not listen. The purpose is to "make money"!! I'm certain they have a corporate person, yet doubt his/her recommendations are adhered to!
Managements ultimate goal as it should is to Evacuate In event of a fire. You can replace buildings, not people!
Next time you go into Any big box store, do your own fire inspection
AMEN!!!! As someone who has spent about a Decade in Wharehouses I can tell you this, within the 1st hour of being in ANY new place in the Building I made SURE that I knew of at LEAST 2 ways outta that area. Also, in 1 Wharehouse we did Laminating on Drywall, Wood, Metal, etc. Now All that Lumber in certain areas and all that Chemical Adhesive in areas, it's a WONDER I'm here today
how can ypu "guarantee" Walmart wasn't following safety practices? "where you there, inside the building" and all the rest of the garbage that I and nobody else finished reading.
@@crisis-cast that would be because my wife used to work for Walmart and she would tell you and she has told me that Walmart does not always follow safety practices. They like to cut corners, but then most big companies do.
@@Thumper79 ok. so your wife got fired for huffing canned air. and now she talks shit asif it is Walmarts fault, or asif she knows anything about fire code. your wife is a fat miserable bitch and she should shut up and so should you.
Walmart MUST to face IMMENSE PUBLIC PRESSURE to IMMEDIATELY reverse course, drop the lawsuit and issue a public apology to ALL AGENCIES INVOLVED!
Still scratching my head on this one. Walmart knows exactly who or what started this fire because it was all caught with CCTV cameras which are staged every 5'ft through out the building. There is no privacy from CCTV camera's whatsoever inside these warehouses except maybe the toilet stalls. Even the parking lots outside are under extreme video surveillance. As for Walmart's tort claim, no basis whatsoever. Somebody knows something but keeping it a secret, those video captures from the CCTV system is in someones possession. Another head scratcher is the elaborate high pressure fire suppression systems installed in all of these modern logistics warehouses. Why was it not able to contain the fire before outside intervention was necessary? Something really fishy going on here and the last thing Walmart should be doing is laying the blame where it is not warranted.
Jackleg legal commentary. We love it.
What is your answer for the fire department turning off the sprinklers? Let's hear it expert
@@0524cami omg…this place is infested completely by nimcompoops..
Plenty of legit reasons. First, the entire system was not shut down. Second, the system can create conditions that make it difficult to determine what state the fire is in. Third, the fire was already above the sprinklers, rendering them ineffective. Fourth, water can be very finite in these types of fires, and the best application may not be the sprinkler system.
@@jodokast96 Walmart always looking to point the finger at someone else except there self
This will never stand. Your going to sue departments out side of the jurisdiction to help? It’s not their fire to command. Let’s see all the annual inspection reports on the fire system and building. Another thing is water is a finite resource. I doubt the mains could support the sprinkler system and all the engines and trucks hooked into the system. The sprinkler system is used to keep a fire in check in small areas. The system was overwhelmed as the fire spread. If the system couldn’t keep up, Walmart had too much fire load in the building. I.e, too much crap stored.
And that’s the reason for shutting off the fire sprinkler system and risers, to allow a greater flow of volume and pressure for the trucks.
Spot on thinking!
@@lordkreigs1978 well, 36 years on the job, I might have picked up something
Screw Walmart. From your local firefighters
Is it your opinion that a firefighter never makes a wrong decision, and can never be held accountable?
@@tira2145 karen
@@tira2145 Only in cases of gross negligence sure, but to assume they can just magically stop a fire the moment they show up is fantastical thinking.
@@Nervegas I don't think Walmart wants to go after the fire fighters, just want to understand what went wrong. Doesn't sound like the department wants to help with the investigation. Thank goodness everyone got out, may be different next time.
So the next Walmart facility that has a fire tell them to handle it on her own since they’re expert’s. All fires are not the same what was the fire load they had in that building did exceed the recommendation.
All of those firefighters including the mutual aid from other agencies responded to save stuff, merchandise, no human beings were lost.
I called that a pretty good win being a former first responder myself.
Bring an engine, park it in the lot, with a note saying... have at it boys.
So if your house burns down and the fire crews cannot save it, you can sue them? Right.
Happens all the time 🤦♂️
if the fire dept sucks then yea
Did you not hear what they said....they turned off the sprinklers that would've suppressed the fire. The FD did that to the building. WHY?
If it can be proven that their performance allowed the fire to destroy more of the property than a competent department could have saved, sure, why not? If a remodeling contractor caused more damage beyond what they were supposed to repair, wouldn't you sue them?
@@0524cami not really
I remember one of my jobs when I worked at the Walgreens distribution center was whenever I would be on the top floor of a storage area to make sure there was at least 3 to 4 ft of distance between the top of the items and the sprinkler for fire suppression. If you have an item 6 in to a foot away from a sprinkler it can drastically reduce its efficiency. Whenever it came around to the fire inspection I would have the task of basically spending the entire night moving stuff so that we would pass. I didn't always go up every storage unit to the very top so I wasn't always paying attention everywhere but the week before I would basically do a walkthrough of the entire upstairs to make sure we were to code. And that's Walgreens I wouldn't be surprised if a place like Walmart didn't even have somebody doing that.
Also when it comes to them shutting off different parts of a fire suppression system it's simply to put the amount of water the system uses into an area where it's going to be more effective. If you have a blazing fire that is out of control the water suppression system isn't going to be that effective. So you divert the water to another area that isn't on fire or on fire that much so you can try and create a fire line where everything is soaking wet and the fire has nothing to burn. I can't put my two cents in on opening the doors for ventilation because that makes it seem like it would be a worse thing but at the same time I'm not a firefighter so I can't really say especially because I wasn't boots on the ground.
You think with how much money Walmart makes they can eat the cost. My question is how did the fire start? Fires don't just randomly ignite there's always a human component in it. Whether it's a neglect or purposeful there were humans inside of that warehouse that contributed to the fire burning. Seems to me that Walmart's trying to point the blame somewhere else because they know they were in the wrong.
Woww! Almost sounds as fishy as, _"Set your own fire, cover your ass, and then have someone else pay for it!"_ Typical of greedy corporations...
Let’s be honest, the majority of large corporations cut corners. The first to go is security and then safety ( fire hazards, chemical spills etc ) with non compliance to fire codes being a major issue. I’m sure OSHA would have a field day in that warehouse and Walmart only has itself to blame.
Geez you can't even do your job without worrying about being sued!!! Like Walmart really needs the money. This is straight up pitiful!
Lawsuits are not only about money. many times a Lawsuit is to expose those who claim to be heroes as the jerkoff drug addicts they really are.
Not sure how walmart is going to overcome qualified immunity
Boycott all walmarts! If you fall in their parking lot over a pothole due to poor maintenance thru refuse accept responsibility, and several months later it's still not fixed. Now they are trying to hold those trying to help them responsible. It could have been a lot worse, there could have been injuries or death.
sit down and shut the fuck up with your cancelling bullshit.
Btw when fighting Any fire you determine in size up if it’s offensive or defensive. This looked like it would be defensive but it does sound like they did some offense ops. - About the open door! Yes oxygen will feed a fire but this isn’t a candle were talking about. - once furniture and all that crap starts burning. If you don’t ventilate properly you will trap hot gasses (aka dark black smoke) and it will increase the air temp inside until you have a simultaneous combustion! Known as a flash over! - let’s say you wanna be cute and choke off the oxygen in a fire this big, with this many fuel sources! Yes you may get the flames to go away and just have glowing coals of furniture , appliances, & all the crap inside. But fires this size have incredibly powerful inflow / outflow smoke flows. I’ve seen multiple furniture stores have a backdraft and blow the front off the store off, which ultimately collapsed the buildings! These fires usually will always find oxygen in the end. - but furniture fires are the times I’ve actually feared for my life in a fire. They just have a aggressive attitude because of the perfect fuel source. You have. Cloth, foam, & wood. Then the TVs / electronics have that nasty plastic which is a nightmare it’s self. The smoke is terrible. Normally I see flames of every color at warehouses and furniture stores just because amount and type of fuels available. -- this looks like Walmart is trying to fill the media with accusations of firefighter negligence so nobody ask the question. “how did you, GOD ol Mighty Walmart allow this fire to start in the first place?” I don’t think they want to answer that.
ugh! stupid walmart, they don't know how the firegrounds & fire sprinkler systems work. As having installed fire sprinkler systems myself, they did everything right! Take a hike Walmart.
Walmart is a joke.
Why, because they pay millions on property taxes and fire department fees every year? Why did they close the risers?
@@tira2145 call and ask. Walmart is still a joke.
@@jimmccabe801 Why do you hate so much? Where you not loved by both your parents? It must really suck to go through life with such a be negative outlook and hate for other's. Please find a church or some other purpose that can turn your life around.
@@tira2145 I hate nobody and nothing.
@@jimmccabe801 denial is always the first thing a hater goes to. Please find purpose in your life besides hating other's.
That's like trying to sue your lawyer cause they didn't get you the plea you wanted. LOL
Walmart can KMA... To all the fire departments that battled this blaze, Thank You! You are appreciated!
The insurer is no doubt filing this. These kinds of suits are discouraged in the insurance industry.
Of course, it is, and it should NOT be discouraged. The performance of the fire department should be evaluated at every fire and the city held responsible for dereliction of their protection of property and life to the taxpayers. I know YOU wouldn't get that based on all your previous and ridiculous comments on UA-cam where you Blindly defend your heroes.
@@JB91710 and you voted for BIDEN
@@JB91710 Generally...insurers do not like to sue municipal Fire Departments, including rural volunteer departments, unless there is gross negligence. It looks bad and generally it is a tough case to prove. Stick to what you know...whatever that may be.
But what caused the fire...?
Yeah exactly it was probably a Walmart CEO or anyhow I hate Walmart
@@jensenjake9575 One of the dumbest comments ever.
burning stuff
@@johnd5398 that ignited. If you don't include that...he will never understand. 🤣🤣👈👈
they won't tell us that part. 🤔
While I was in school everyone thought it was the end of the world. I remember the cloud getting closer and closer lol.
Wow! How low can Walmart go??? Lower than slug slime, that's for sure.
People should just stop shopping at walmart and maybe they would change. But everybody always figures it is somebody elses job to do this so they do nothing
only npcs shop at wal-mart.
I’m so glad that so many people in this comment sections are much more educated than engineering professionals and lawyers that work for billion dollar companies.
🤷♂️ I've met a lot of college educated idiots that can't even spell " common sense" yet they have all the right answers, just ask them, they'll tell ya.
as an ex firefighter, walmart can kick rocks
What a crap move....I hope all fire depts across the country refuse to respond to any fire at a Walfart property
yeah, that's illegal
This is going to Backfire Horribly. This will cause a reduction in fire protection and public safety. Mark my words. When companies start suing the people attempting to help people. A HUGE PROBLEM EXISTS IN SOCIETY.
If and EMT did something wrong in the ambulance and your loved one died, would you just say, "Nice Try?"
All fire fighters and their families will stop shopping at Walfart. Stock will tank....
I would counter sue, because they didn't have proper fire suppression in the building. If they did, the fire wouldn't have gotten out of control.
That's guesswork and your ignorance of how certain materials can overpower the mist from a sprinkler head at that elevation.
The fire suppression system was inspected and approved by the same fire department every quarter.
@@JB91710 🤷♂️ those sprinkler heads should have a flow rate to accommodate the fuel load which is huge in the " dry" side of a Walmart warehouse.
@@firefighterpk2440 Best laid plans and designs depends a lot on the end use never changing. I was in construction for 40 years. Humans are far from perfect. Who knows what the design was and how it was coordinated with the structure and contents. If the heads are too far above the materials and the fire gets to much of a head start, the energy of the fire could obliterate the fog of water. Those 2-1/2" lines had little effect on the fire. A little sprinkler head doesn't stand a chance when things get rolling.
@@JB91710 true. I've been in several Wal-Mart warehouses, and racking has pallets 5 or 6 high and pretty close ( 3'-4' ) from the sprinkler heads, but who knows what size heads they have to cover whatever fuel load number the ( smart guys) figured out. 🤷♂️ Worst thing about their warehouses is that there is only one cinder block wall in the whole place, and it just divides the dry goods and cooler side. If a fire gets past the sprinkler system, it's gone and it's a defensive fire from the first due engine.
History on their fire inspections, volume of goods in warehouse, OSHA issues, employee statements, etc.
I WILL NEVER SHOP AT WALLMART AGAIN
Yeah exactly what caused it was an employee or a Walmart executive that purchased insurance on the building just recently or what they don't know they're trying to defund the police probably firefighters as well
Your IQ is shot.
Did you just open the dictionary randomly, point to a word, and post it? Because that would make more sense than the words you just posted.
@@joshclark3945 haaaaaaaaaa got ya lmao 😂😆😂😆😂😆😂😆
this comment was typed by a parrot who simply repeats shit that it sees on the internet.. even if it doesn't make sense
The fire fighters showed up, did what they could for the size, put their life in the line. Walmart like all business put a low level fire sprinkler system . Also, I have been told that once a fire in coming out the roof the fire department cannot save the building. I looks like the fire was out of control before the fire department was ale to get there.
No they didnt
When I was young, worked at a Warehouse. During the Day the Fire Sprinklers were shut off. Someone hit one with double pallets, on a Fork Lift. Yes, they top overloaded the Shelves too. During the Night the Sprinklers got turned back on, since they wouldn’t pay overtime, and worked us right up to the hour, often they weren’t turned back on.
I find this funny, with how Walmart deals with workers and customers suing them. I hope a judge dismisses this case. Walmart refuses to pay lawsuits they lost in court and will appeal to the highest courts and then still refuse to pay
This means that jurisdictions where Walmart wants this type of build in the future should require them to add much better internal suppression systems. These buildings are too big for fire companies to effectively fight from the outside. The localities should ref this lawsuit to support the requirement that likely surpasses building standards. Walmart just shot themselves in the foot with frivolous litigation.
Walmart: "911, help our building is on fire?"
911: "have you tried calling your legal team.... No, Okay I'll need you to call them and have them get in contact with our legal team and in 4 to 6 weeks we'll be able to send someone out to you. Thank you for calling 911. Have a nice day!"
I hope every firestation in the USA refuses to attend any incident at a Walmart until they have a waiver from Walmart lawyers and their own lawyers have reviewed that waiver.
Even though I'm a probie volunteer firefighter I would say that Walmart corporate has no clue on how much risk we take in our own lives to save a total stranger and their property. That was a huge fire that just couldn't of been put out in just a few minutes. In my home town of Canton, IL back in 1997 The International Harvester company burnt to the ground that covered several city blocks and burned and smoldered for roughly 3 days. Im not looking for attention that we should be called super heros and everyone should bow down to firemen it would just be nice to get a thank you for trying your best in the situation. That's all Walmart would have to do is say thank you for trying to save what you could. The firemen didn't start the fire. lost more respect for Walmart.
Can't blame a fire department when that warehouse is freaking huge.
If you pay for a service and don't get it, you're welcome to sue.
Tell Walmart to get bent, that’s why companies have insurance.
I would bet the pallet racks were stacked so tall it hindered the effectiveness of the sprinkler system yes I am. Second class fire fighter and ex chief of our local VFD .
They are stacked i believe 5 or 6 high in steel racks. They're below the sprinkler heads, but not by much. I've been in many of them delivering loads over the years. There's only one dividing wall in them, and it separates the " dry" side from the cooler/freezer side, so if fire gets to the ceiling, it can lap over and run unhindered.
but you don't KNOW..... do you?
@@johnd5398 it's almost certain that he is correct! I've been in countless Walmart warehouses in the last 35 years of delivering to them, they're they're floor to near the ceiling stacked pallets on steel racking, SO, you should probably you should pick an argument that you KNOW something about
@@johnd5398 from what I have seen i would bet on it once it went thru the roof the place was like a furnace with a good draft warehouse fires never end well that was in some of my training .
Good show by Walmart. Instead of thanking and praising those heroic firefighters for putting out the fire, they decide to sue them instead. Awesome.
Fire just too big, limited water. no one hurt, that's the most important!
Only Walmart would sue firefighters for not putting out a fire fast enough.
Walmart so ungrateful and treats employees like crap. They need a reality check. People need to rise up and shop somewhere else.
Firefighters could tell Walmart to put it in perspective: Think of individual firefighters as cashiers and the building as check out stands.
So how did the fire start? A negligent employee or corporation being negligent in building maintenance, not following fire/safety codes, etc.?
ATF doesn't investigate fire fighting operations. OSHA, NFPA, USFA investigate fire department operations.
there's a delicate balance between shutting off the sprinkler system and ventilation. At a minimum, there should be someone permanently assigned to sprinkler riser post for the duration of the operations.
The fact that Walmart is suing multiple agencies in the local area speaks a great volume and none really in a good light for Walmart. I understand Walmart wants a scapegoat to pay for this terrible incident however, in suing multiple agencies, you inherently recognize the scope of this incident... the fact of the matter is this incident rates up there in many regards to some of the worst fire catastrophes in our country’s history. This was more than one agency could manage, more than a handful working in great concert could have managed. Walmart is suing these agencies based on the best case scenario of a firefighters response, and that is just as wrong as what we did the Sollenberger.
When you check out at the Walmart, they ask if you want an extended warrantee.
Sad world
It’s time to end international corporations....
Bruh, if your fire suppressant system was working well enough, it wouldn't have gotten to this point.
This is another reason why I stopped shopping at Walmart. As a volunteer firefighter this is a disrespectful move on Walmart.
Walmart should get compensated if the fire department had an issue with their equipments .
That attorney and those seeking suit should go to the fire academy and/or volunteer their time with an agency for a year.
I guess insurance denied their claim.
Just when you thought corporate America couldn't stoop any lower...along comes Walmart.
Next time, Walmart can fund it's own fire department.
The building was a total loss before the fire fighters got there. It sounds like Wal-Mart doesn't know how to fight fires. How did the fire get that big Wal-Mart?
That building was a total loss when they arrived. Nothing they did contributed to any farther damage at that point the response was to keep it controlled not save the building.
Is Walmart nuts? You can’t sue the fire dept.
Walmart : Low Wages _Always_
No good deed goes unpunished.
The fire department? You aren’t supposed to have your buildings on fire.
Government owes you no safety.
Be your own fire department.
With all the false accusations they do of shoplifting . They shouldn’t need any money , they get around 100mlion a year on restitution letters
Just one tire puts out incredible amounts of heat.
So why is Walmart suing instead of the insurance company? Normally the insurance company pays up, then does the litigation, no?
Just when I thought humans couldn't get any dumber, Walmart pulls this shit.
This is really, truly, rich coming from a company like Walmart considering how they run their business.
this tell you that walmart thinks property is more important than people
I was having a nice recess at them, some one came up to me and said, look behind you. And saw this smoke and fire
OMG how dare those firefighters... (checks list)... "open the doors".
Ridiculous. TAKE THE L, Walmart. They're just lucky no one was killed, pretty amazing that's the case, considering.
A citizen COULD NEVER DO THIS
If you don't find the heart of the store and destroy it, it's just going to grow back stronger anyway.
walmart acts like north korea
While I certainly air on side of the firefighters, could someone plz explain why they would shut off the buildings fire suppression system. I'm sure they had reson too, I'd just like to know.
wow sue the people who put your warehouse fire out. they should have just let it burn down.
how is it the fire department's fault when they didn't have adequate fire protection?
So sprinkler system turned off? How is this not Wal-Mart 's responsibility?
Because the fire department are the people who turned it off.....
You have got to be kidding me Walmart?? WTH?? They were there to help you!