That's basically how I Role Played my Drow in the first run through. She was very... Understanding when it came to worshipping "Dark Ladies" so whenever the game gave me the option to not be judgemental I always answered that way. My Drow and Shadowheart ending up together makes a lot more sense since they even had that in common, worshipping a dark goddess.
She sounds pretty insincere when talking about shar, as she doesnt like talking about her with you and feels on a hard spot because youre a cleric of shar
@victor bruun I know what you're talking about, in the book though I'm pretty sure the goddess knew of the worshiper but just forgot about them when they died lol
I did had the same thought as @I'm Sorry , but ont the other hand I also think that Sharran people are very suspicious in general, even more among themselves as they do know how much their borthers and sisters hides things even form their own mind. Plus I find her attitude rather normal regarding who she is, she doesn't know you, you claim to be a Sharran yourself, but you still ask question about a topic you should know.
Well also they are taught to not say who they are in public and to keep secrets so it would make sense that she would not want to talk so open in public
This was an interesting character to make in the early access and it does seem fairly well put together and fleshed-out so it feels weird that Shar isn't a cleric deity in the full release
It’s probably cut content due to them not having enough time to flesh out the interactions you would have later in the game with this scenario. It could be something they add back in in future content patches after they finish all of the potential conversation trees.
Whenever she speaks about Shar's favor, I just can't help but roll my eyes Girl, at best Shar thinks of you as a pawn, and worst she's probably holds her followers in contempt. If you were writhing on the floor in agony and begging for her assistance, she'd laugh at your suffering. Shar don't give a shit about you.
@@user-yg5vy5bs2j Even worse, she spends the rest of her existence waiting forever for Shar in the city of judgement that Kelemvor rules over. She waits for so long that even Kelemvor begins to pity her, but only as much as the Lord of the dead can, because he cannot do anything about it. She gave up so much of herself for Shar that there was nothing left of her, no personality, no memories, no relationships, nothing. She gave up so much of herself for Shar that it's probably safe to say that Shar was the only thing she ever knew at that point, and that's not an existence I think anyone should take upon themselves.
At first, I very much liked it because I thought it gave her some "sass." But then she did it over..... And over.... And over again.... I'm now more concerned she has some sort of medical issue with her neck, than any real "sass" going on. Either that, or she needs new ways to express herself lol XD
Four months too late but do you know nothing? That’s the secret language of the Sharran priesthood… Learned from many years of studying evil pigeons. 🤣 Edit: Also chickens but they weren’t evil… They just had dubious morals.
She is a chaotic good cleric of Selune that got her memory whipped to be neutral evil cleric of Shar... "You get to spite Selune by stealing gifts meant for her." Or even better - steal her cleric...
@@grizzles8912 not to mention, Shadowheard clearly acts nothing like a Chaotic Evil. Something more of a neutral evil with hinges to lawful neutral depending on how you treat her. Chaotic Evil in this group’s Astarion. Does whatever he wants without no limits, including evil deeds and actually approves when you do said evil deeds. Lae’zel is our Lawful evil. Follows Githyanki protocol to a T, such as are all Githyanki. Gale’s Neutral Good with hinges to True Neutral. Makes sense considering his backstory but thoroughly throughout doing good acts he approves of- hence the good. And unlike Wyle, it seems he doesn’t do it out of vainglory but his heart is just generally in the right space. Wyle is Chaotic Good with hinges to Chaotic Neutral. He’s chaotic because he does whatever he must (spoiler alert: he bargained with a cambion) to achieve his goal without limit. He’s either neutral or good due to him being well intentioned but he also shows signs of being quite vainglory for it.
@@grizzles8912 her clerics can certainly be chaotic evil, the oldest and most devout of Telemont's sons defied his father's commands and led a psychotic path of murder across Faerun at Shar's command to try and steal the Eye of Gruumsh from a heartwarder, an incel, a noble, and a lawful stupid paladin and that was like, idk 5 years? 10 years? before bg3 takes place
@@raylast3873 It is just my idea for her companion quest and plot twist in her quest. She is more secretive than evil and many good actions makes her like you more.
Since you can choose to play as "The Dark Urge" who is essentially just a serial killer with poor impulse control, I wonder why they changed it? Is it simply that these deities and the knowledge of their clergy caused too many plot holes the devs didn't want to muddle through?
I’m just wondering if she was actually a Selunite at some point, either willing switched to Shar for... some reason... or if she was brain washed into it.
well when the choice is either her, or a arrogant semi-racist Lae'zel or 3 males with superiority complex, That doesn't say much. she is also my favorite. But thinking about the selection that doesn't say much. Wyll is a do good stuff sure, but he is waaaay to arrogant about it, and owes his success to a damn demon in the first place. Astarion is in it for himself. Doesn't care much for anyone but himself (spoiler) and he is a vampire. Have you seen his reaction to killing you if you allow him to feed on you (even with high approval) he couldn't care less. Gale is untrustworthy and very demanding. Also prone to arrogance. Lae'zel is trustworthy to some extent. Though its clear that she sees you as a slave/servant as she will very much dislike it if you go against her "commands" She only travels with you to heighten her chances of survival. Shadowheart... A woman with a fickle mind. That wont hesitate to call you a fool. Her constant complaints about Selune are annoying, and not only that, she worships a semi-evil (by our standards) goddess. Not only that but if you pick a Cleric with Selune worship she will constantly talk bad about you and her even when you ask her to stop. I wouldn't trust her not to stab me in the back tbh. did i miss anyone? dont know.
@@Softpaw1996 Honestly I think it's pretty refreshing that have a batch of NPCs that are a bit standoffish and harder to win over. I mean, it's not like you're encountering the standard travelling adventures in an inn or along the road on your travels. You were all abducted against your will and had tadpoles implanted into your brains. There is literally no reason for any of you to like each other, have similar ethos or even have anything in common other than working together might help all of you find a way to not die from turning into a mindflayer. I like the NPCs... except Gale. Gale's a douche. :)
@@jasonmitchell5148 oh you mistake me. im also glad they didn't just give us generic love you from scratch companions. but zero of the companions we have, have any likeable traits. ZERO. we're forced to like them cus we dont have anything else. even with high approval ALL of your companions are rude to you or dont care for you. Sure some of their responses have slight variations. But wrong them just once and you'll hear it. Even if you have high approval with Shadowheart she will constantly bad mouth you about Selune (as a cleric of selune) which she shouldn't. She should shut her trap and respect your friendship like a friend would. Lae'zel is easy to get to like you. But it comes at the cost of having anyone else hate you. Be rude, give in to her demands, support her being cruel, kill innocent. im looking forward to seeing some of the other companions they've hinted at. Such as the Tiefling you encounter wounded. She actually seems likeable from the get go. And you only see her shortly. sure, we're all strangers. But we're also all in the same boat. Antagonizing each other is counter-productive to getting cured. Gale is probably my least liked character. He genuinely made me hate him the first time you meet him. Doesn't help one bit when you later find out (spoiler) he needs someone to babysit his ass and get him his painkillers. So we have Wyll, a semi-possessed wanna be hero, who is also arrogant as feck. Gale, a demanding arrogant better than thou kind of type who is patronizing whenever he gets the chance Astarion who needs blood or he throws a tantrum, and will gladly take it from you while you sleep, and if you do give it freely he wont mind in the slightest that he just killed you. He'll even pretend it wasn't him. Also super arrogant. Shadowheart who is just rude all the time and her loyalty is questionable. Also slightly arrogant at points. Lae'zel who is just semi-evil by our standards and obnoxiously rude. and very arrogant. all in all, every character is essentially the same. They're all arrogant untrustworthy and rude. as much as i like the game the writers botched this part. All the companions are the same personality. With slight differences. Only one that stands out is you.
@@Softpaw1996 let's just say I disagree with your overall opinion of the NPCs. I like that the NPCs are dicks. I'm part of the minority that enjoyed Shadowheart during the initial phase of early access, before Larian made her more likeable. Then again, I generally prefer doing evil playthroughs when I'm playing Baldur's Gate ever since Baldur's Gate 1. That's the great thing about good roleplaying games though, variety. Hopefully you'll find NPCs you enjoy travelling with upon the final release. Either way, I'm really looking forward to play through the entire game come August. Cheers!
It's kind of weird how she explains shars' teaching to you as if you didn't know anything about her yourself. Lots of weird answers too. That's probably the reason they cut this content entirely.
Based on the separation/pauses between each voice file, it seems as if the Shar-specific dialogues were just tacking a voice line of Shadowheart acknowledging your shared goddess before giving the same default lines as before. So probably if they kept it in, they would've had to record entirely fresh dialogues for Shadowheart. Not beyond Larian's skillset and dedication, but maybe not enough time to do it before release
I cannot wait for Paladin to be added not only because 5e Paladins are as busted as they always have been, but so I can have a Paladin of Shar (if the option is available) to go with the cleric.
@@GenshinLover283Nah, the issue with 5e Paladins and Gods is that its not entirely clear if a Paladin's powers comes from a God or their Oath. Because the game mentions and has you fight Paladins of Tyr I am hoping that they let us chose a religion like with cleric.
I think the animators added it to give a stronger expression. Lazeal also has those instances that looks like she is biting you and it adds to her character.
@@KevinSmith-qi5yn I personally think it's a bug. Only speculating, but it feels too jerky from word to word. If I have to guess, this is because they aren't using mo-cap - instead, animations are a series of lip/head movements strung together (this is how Witcher 3 did theirs). Each syllables is matched with a different animation (and the animators are essentially stringing along 20, 30 animation frames). As the game develops their goal is to smooth it out.
It's funny. When I played BG3 years ago in Patch 5 for 100 hours I kinda disliked all of the companions. A bunch of worthless arrogant assholes. But somehow with minor tweaks here and there they made them likeable. Seems like Larian listened to the feedback, thought about it, and changed only little things to help it. And I'm still able recognize the characters fully.
I know this video is old af, but I think the reason Shadowheart can't remember anything is because Shar's weapon 'the staff of oblivion' gives people complete amnesia when used. It also wouldn't surprise me one bit if shadowheart's story is based on the fight between selune and shar, where shar masqueraded as selune, took her followers, and almost succeeded into convincing selune that she was shar and that shar was selune. So if shadowheart winds up being a devout selunite with amnesia who became a shar worshipper after getting struck with the staff of oblivion... told you so.
i recognized the sound of the black throated loon at the beginning of the video. such an amazing sound they make, you should look it up if you read this.
I think the only priestess of Shar I can handle is Viconia. Half the stuff that comes out of shadowhearts mouth tempt me to use her for fireball target practice
Yeah Vic was good, but Im wondering if Shadowheart whole personality revolves around worshipping Shar. Those Characters in general are the most annoying when they never shut up about their shit god.
@@zara6854 I'm just hoping her character develops into more than just the fanatical disciple of Shar. ShadowHeart has some good moments but then it comes back to her going on about Shar again. Shar was more of a way to add flavor and backstory when it came to Viconia. She did like to go on about Drow culture and the strange and hostile reactions of the surface world but it didn't dominate every conversation in BG2. Call me a masochist but I really found her intriguing. BG3 is in early access and we've only seen a small unfinished section of the first act. I'm hoping they're adding a lot more substance to ShadowHeart as a character. Larian has made some great games but I've not always been happy with how some characters in there games remain stagnant such as Lohse in DOS2. So here's hoping.
@@zara6854 I'm hoping that her character turns out to have been mind wiped and have that personality implanted. She probably won't be any more likable but it would be an interesting explanation for why she's so... Single minded.
@@AAJillSandwich in fairness, Shadowheart's devotion, and the complete obsession she has with her goddess is what Viconia (or any cleric of Shar) should have had. Shar is canonically, a goddess with a certain degree of monomania. Even so, Viconia had her own form of ideological zealotry no less obsessive than Shadowheart - Viconia never shuts up about being a drow, and drow life, about how dangerous she is, how lowly non-drow are, and how edgy she is, and how the world will never accept her...blah blah ad infinitum. It's really not that different to Shadowheart. Viconia often warranted being left behind of trying another companion, just to get off her own single minded rant.
@@TheSamuraijim87 I get real tired of characters who's defining personality trait is the overbearing zealot such as Shadowheart. Here's hoping she develops somewhat as the game continues developing. In fairness I can say the same thing about Viconia. Being Drow she comes from a culture that's cruel and arrogant who's people ( the drow) are known to constantly backstab each other. Drow are treated as vile monsters and often looked upon with fear and hate from "surface dwellers". Viconia was no exception and was persecuted herself a lot of times no fault of her own because she's a Drow. It would be weird if she wasn't at some level paranoid and arrogant. Viconia also changes quite a lot when during her romance path in BG2, even more so when going the neutral route turning her allingment from evil to true neutral. She becomes a much more trusting person and mellows out.
unlikely, there's only 3 more companions, ones a ranger that lacks hair and has a thing for small rodents, one is a teifling that you may or may not kill working for a fake paladin, don't really know the third.
I wanna know what happens if your character is a Cleric of Shar involving the Nightsong. Do you & Shadowheart both become Dark Justiciars or only one can become one or do they both fight for the right become DJ?
@@Stuartette The files are still in the game, so if you're on PC you can still reactivate them with a mod. If you make it that far, Shadowheart SAYS that this is the chance for the two of you to become Justiciars, but she's the only one who actually does. I don't know if they just didn't get far enough to program the player into being recognized as one as well before scrapping the idea, or if it was just an oversight.
After the warning about changing origin character classes, I decided that shar would make an excellent sneak thief, since I'd staked Astarion when the guy tried to drink my blood. She is hiding her shar worship no matter her class, so it doesn't seem to matter.
I suspect they’ll get more compelling and relatable in the second act and beyond. Especially Lae’zel, whose world is going to fall apart when the kithrak tries to kill her. Lhose’s actor is also a lilting, expressive soprano. She’s designed to be likeable from the getgo.
In this instance she is like "My name is Shadowheart conformist and I'm a cleric a Shar" Player responds with "Oh yeah conformist?! My name is Night Pain and I'm a cleric of Shar!"
My Goliath Tempest Cleric of Talos literally summoning indiscriminate storm and having random violent outbursts (Dark Urge) Shadowheart: Don't judge me for my edgy darkness god, you don't understand me! Honestly for how offended she gets for you pushing her on her beliefs and secrets she brings them up ALL the time.
What is this strange magic of which they speak anyway? I couldn't stand dragging her around so I deliberately denied my party a cleric on my first playthrough, and rolled one myself on the second one. Does she just randomly go berserk and try to blast you or something?
no she like glows or something ?? I can't remember exactly and you also find her in camp doing something at some point, don't wanna spoil too much. I think you need to have high approval with her to get the cutscene.
When the game fully releases I'm only taking the "good" characters with me, Astarion annoys me, Lae'zel bores me and god Shadowheart is frustrating. An annoying thing I discovered is that even if your character doesn't use the Illithid powers after the second or third dream the characters treat you like you have. When Wyll confronted my Teifling druid I was like "Bitch, I have not done shit, what crawled in your pants and died?"
Less of a bug and more of a vestige of how paladins might have worked at one point in the development process. It works that way for all deities- if you check your tags you'll have both a "Cleric of X" and "Paladin of X" tag. I played a Paladin of Bahamut once. Even had one or two tagged options, though they weren't any different than the cleric options would have been, I think.
@@excaliburv4332 the bug part is in that the tag is still visible at all even though the option to choose a deity as a paladin was removed. But yes, it's definitely an artifact leftover from an idea abandoned during development.
If I want to play as one of my favorite 5E characters, the character will have to be a Selûne worshipper (all rogue except for one level of Knowledge cleric). I can't wait to see how it will mess with Shadowheart dialogue. My real question is what is the maximum level you can reach before meeting her (I need at least two because the starting class must be rogue).
you can multiclass into selune cleric at any moment and the dialogue will pop up like nothing, you will meet her during the tutorial level but it is possible to turn level two during it, and even level up to three or four before recruiting her
What kind of stupid ass question is it to ask Shadowheart if she's well-versed in Shar's teachings? She's a Dark Justicar and JUST TOLD YOU she follows Shar.
I honestly wish I could get enough approval with her to actually be able to know her storyline But she won't stop bitching me and I don't resist eldritch blasting her anymore
It's still in game, you just need to mod in Shar deity for clerics. Strangely enough paladin deities work as well, only for 1st act tho, cleric of shar works through the act 3. They just scraped it, possibly to make shadowheart origin more unique
Imagine worshipping a goddess (or a god) that caused the greatest catastrophe the world has ever known by orchestrating the murder of a goddess that is actually vital for the continued existence of the world.
Shadowheart's story arc (well if you take the good path)...Chapter 1: "Yeah Shar! Boo Selune!" Chapter 2: "Super yeah Shar! I want to be Shar's bestest Justiciar ever! And even more boo to Selune! Boo! Boo! Boo!" Chapter 3: "I worship Selune now, Shar sux!" I mean that's a bit of 180 turn if there ever was one, you would think instead of going from the super evil Shar to the super good Selune, she could have shifted a little more neutral first, maybe become a Helm worshiper for a while or something.
isn't the "sudden change" due to the fact that Dame Aylin literally tells her that she was a Selunite child abducted and indoctrinated into Sharran worship?
![Lae'zel Marriage Proposal [Baldur's Gate 3]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/c5Q7E8NnUvE/mqdefault.jpg)
My Lolth-sworn drow: lady I worship a literal spider demon, get off the cross about your Shar worship, I'm not gonna judge you
@@facepalmfullonapalm2376
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
@@erickchristensen746SKULLS FOR SKULLTHRONE
@@EN-mh4og MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES
That's basically how I Role Played my Drow in the first run through. She was very... Understanding when it came to worshipping "Dark Ladies" so whenever the game gave me the option to not be judgemental I always answered that way. My Drow and Shadowheart ending up together makes a lot more sense since they even had that in common, worshipping a dark goddess.
@@satyricyst that took me off guard lol
"Good day! You look reasonably sane.
What are you doing in the catacombs?
_Are you a cleric, or something?"_
Even when I was a cleric, I told Patches no. Ended up being the right call.
I like how you get the option to go “I worship Shar too actually. Our god must want us together. I don’t trust you leave.”
Shadowheart praying whilst having a stroke. Good stuff
Whole lotta bug shit.
Maybe it's the tadpole.
She sounds pretty insincere when talking about shar, as she doesnt like talking about her with you and feels on a hard spot because youre a cleric of shar
@victor bruun I know what you're talking about, in the book though I'm pretty sure the goddess knew of the worshiper but just forgot about them when they died lol
I did had the same thought as @I'm Sorry , but ont the other hand I also think that Sharran people are very suspicious in general, even more among themselves as they do know how much their borthers and sisters hides things even form their own mind. Plus I find her attitude rather normal regarding who she is, she doesn't know you, you claim to be a Sharran yourself, but you still ask question about a topic you should know.
Well also they are taught to not say who they are in public and to keep secrets so it would make sense that she would not want to talk so open in public
Im Just going to say "nice"
@saltee8460 You nailed it.
This was an interesting character to make in the early access and it does seem fairly well put together and fleshed-out so it feels weird that Shar isn't a cleric deity in the full release
It’s probably cut content due to them not having enough time to flesh out the interactions you would have later in the game with this scenario. It could be something they add back in in future content patches after they finish all of the potential conversation trees.
@@ZoeBateman Really wished they would have added more evil deities to compensate for the ones removed. Auril, Cyric, and Umberlee would all be good.
@@MistyKathrine Same. I love love love Lolth, but still.
Whenever she speaks about Shar's favor, I just can't help but roll my eyes
Girl, at best Shar thinks of you as a pawn, and worst she's probably holds her followers in contempt. If you were writhing on the floor in agony and begging for her assistance, she'd laugh at your suffering. Shar don't give a shit about you.
I could just pick your shar pointing at you and laughing like Nelson from The Simpsons
@cool dude 😔
@cool dude Now me personally, I would not have let that slide. 😔
@@user-yg5vy5bs2j Even worse, she spends the rest of her existence waiting forever for Shar in the city of judgement that Kelemvor rules over. She waits for so long that even Kelemvor begins to pity her, but only as much as the Lord of the dead can, because he cannot do anything about it. She gave up so much of herself for Shar that there was nothing left of her, no personality, no memories, no relationships, nothing. She gave up so much of herself for Shar that it's probably safe to say that Shar was the only thing she ever knew at that point, and that's not an existence I think anyone should take upon themselves.
So Shar is basically a honey badger.
She’s very serious about shar n stuff but how do you stop laughing when she is doing this neck dance thingy. 😂
At first, I very much liked it because I thought it gave her some "sass."
But then she did it over.....
And over....
And over again....
I'm now more concerned she has some sort of medical issue with her neck, than any real "sass" going on. Either that, or she needs new ways to express herself lol XD
Ikr? I got some serious "sassy black lady" vibes from her constantly moving her head around
At least her face isn‘t tired
Four months too late but do you know nothing? That’s the secret language of the Sharran priesthood… Learned from many years of studying evil pigeons. 🤣
Edit: Also chickens but they weren’t evil… They just had dubious morals.
I'm playing as a cleric of Selune and it is so, so good.
"kiss me like you hate me"
She is a chaotic good cleric of Selune that got her memory whipped to be neutral evil cleric of Shar...
"You get to spite Selune by stealing gifts meant for her." Or even better - steal her cleric...
@@grizzles8912 not to mention, Shadowheard clearly acts nothing like a Chaotic Evil.
Something more of a neutral evil with hinges to lawful neutral depending on how you treat her.
Chaotic Evil in this group’s Astarion. Does whatever he wants without no limits, including evil deeds and actually approves when you do said evil deeds.
Lae’zel is our Lawful evil. Follows Githyanki protocol to a T, such as are all Githyanki.
Gale’s Neutral Good with hinges to True Neutral. Makes sense considering his backstory but thoroughly throughout doing good acts he approves of- hence the good. And unlike Wyle, it seems he doesn’t do it out of vainglory but his heart is just generally in the right space.
Wyle is Chaotic Good with hinges to Chaotic Neutral. He’s chaotic because he does whatever he must (spoiler alert: he bargained with a cambion) to achieve his goal without limit. He’s either neutral or good due to him being well intentioned but he also shows signs of being quite vainglory for it.
@@grizzles8912 her clerics can certainly be chaotic evil, the oldest and most devout of Telemont's sons defied his father's commands and led a psychotic path of murder across Faerun at Shar's command to try and steal the Eye of Gruumsh from a heartwarder, an incel, a noble, and a lawful stupid paladin
and that was like, idk 5 years? 10 years? before bg3 takes place
Wait, is she actually or is this headcanon?
@@raylast3873 It is just my idea for her companion quest and plot twist in her quest. She is more secretive than evil and many good actions makes her like you more.
@@zarddin it makes sense though
I’d love to see interactions as a Cleric of Selune too, maybe some arguing, would romancing even be possible? Interesting to think about
Is it possible? 🤔
Some love-hate snu snu
Haters to lovers arc!
She is NOT a fan but it IS possible to be civil about it and romance her! I personally think it's a very interesting pairing.
@@gideonmele1556 As long as there is snu snu
I hope they add a cleric of shar back into the game. They need to be more 'evil' options.
There is a mod where you can select Dead Three at the creation of your cleric
It's impossible to hear this now, as you can't pick Shar or the dead three as your chosen deities as a cleric in the "full" release.
Since you can choose to play as "The Dark Urge" who is essentially just a serial killer with poor impulse control, I wonder why they changed it? Is it simply that these deities and the knowledge of their clergy caused too many plot holes the devs didn't want to muddle through?
probably too much dialogue they would have to add in Act 2 for Shar and Act 2+3 for the dead three@@ts25679
@@McDiezel079 There is dialogue in act 2 for Shar.
Is there any special dialog with Gale if you are a Cleric of Mystra?
probably, like, 100%
5:52 THAT WOMAN IS T POSING. She thought we wouldn't notice but we did.
I’m just wondering if she was actually a Selunite at some point, either willing switched to Shar for... some reason... or if she was brain washed into it.
A very common theory.
She sounds more like a snarky but good Selunite, rather than a true believer of an evil and spitful goddess like Shar.
aged like wine
Well shit
Time traveler
I’m glad I got the mod that adds shar worship back
But what if you are a Githyanki Cleric of Shar?
her head explodes
Good idea
So much hate about Shadowheart. She's my favorite NPC so far.
Same
well when the choice is either her, or a arrogant semi-racist Lae'zel or 3 males with superiority complex, That doesn't say much.
she is also my favorite. But thinking about the selection that doesn't say much.
Wyll is a do good stuff sure, but he is waaaay to arrogant about it, and owes his success to a damn demon in the first place.
Astarion is in it for himself. Doesn't care much for anyone but himself (spoiler) and he is a vampire. Have you seen his reaction to killing you if you allow him to feed on you (even with high approval) he couldn't care less.
Gale is untrustworthy and very demanding. Also prone to arrogance.
Lae'zel is trustworthy to some extent. Though its clear that she sees you as a slave/servant as she will very much dislike it if you go against her "commands" She only travels with you to heighten her chances of survival.
Shadowheart... A woman with a fickle mind. That wont hesitate to call you a fool. Her constant complaints about Selune are annoying, and not only that, she worships a semi-evil (by our standards) goddess. Not only that but if you pick a Cleric with Selune worship she will constantly talk bad about you and her even when you ask her to stop. I wouldn't trust her not to stab me in the back tbh.
did i miss anyone? dont know.
@@Softpaw1996 Honestly I think it's pretty refreshing that have a batch of NPCs that are a bit standoffish and harder to win over. I mean, it's not like you're encountering the standard travelling adventures in an inn or along the road on your travels. You were all abducted against your will and had tadpoles implanted into your brains. There is literally no reason for any of you to like each other, have similar ethos or even have anything in common other than working together might help all of you find a way to not die from turning into a mindflayer.
I like the NPCs... except Gale. Gale's a douche. :)
@@jasonmitchell5148 oh you mistake me. im also glad they didn't just give us generic love you from scratch companions.
but zero of the companions we have, have any likeable traits. ZERO.
we're forced to like them cus we dont have anything else.
even with high approval ALL of your companions are rude to you or dont care for you. Sure some of their responses have slight variations. But wrong them just once and you'll hear it.
Even if you have high approval with Shadowheart she will constantly bad mouth you about Selune (as a cleric of selune) which she shouldn't. She should shut her trap and respect your friendship like a friend would.
Lae'zel is easy to get to like you. But it comes at the cost of having anyone else hate you. Be rude, give in to her demands, support her being cruel, kill innocent.
im looking forward to seeing some of the other companions they've hinted at. Such as the Tiefling you encounter wounded. She actually seems likeable from the get go. And you only see her shortly.
sure, we're all strangers. But we're also all in the same boat. Antagonizing each other is counter-productive to getting cured.
Gale is probably my least liked character. He genuinely made me hate him the first time you meet him. Doesn't help one bit when you later find out (spoiler) he needs someone to babysit his ass and get him his painkillers. So we have
Wyll, a semi-possessed wanna be hero, who is also arrogant as feck.
Gale, a demanding arrogant better than thou kind of type who is patronizing whenever he gets the chance
Astarion who needs blood or he throws a tantrum, and will gladly take it from you while you sleep, and if you do give it freely he wont mind in the slightest that he just killed you. He'll even pretend it wasn't him. Also super arrogant.
Shadowheart who is just rude all the time and her loyalty is questionable. Also slightly arrogant at points.
Lae'zel who is just semi-evil by our standards and obnoxiously rude. and very arrogant.
all in all, every character is essentially the same. They're all arrogant untrustworthy and rude.
as much as i like the game the writers botched this part. All the companions are the same personality. With slight differences. Only one that stands out is you.
@@Softpaw1996 let's just say I disagree with your overall opinion of the NPCs. I like that the NPCs are dicks. I'm part of the minority that enjoyed Shadowheart during the initial phase of early access, before Larian made her more likeable. Then again, I generally prefer doing evil playthroughs when I'm playing Baldur's Gate ever since Baldur's Gate 1. That's the great thing about good roleplaying games though, variety. Hopefully you'll find NPCs you enjoy travelling with upon the final release. Either way, I'm really looking forward to play through the entire game come August.
Cheers!
It's kind of weird how she explains shars' teaching to you as if you didn't know anything about her yourself. Lots of weird answers too. That's probably the reason they cut this content entirely.
Based on the separation/pauses between each voice file, it seems as if the Shar-specific dialogues were just tacking a voice line of Shadowheart acknowledging your shared goddess before giving the same default lines as before. So probably if they kept it in, they would've had to record entirely fresh dialogues for Shadowheart. Not beyond Larian's skillset and dedication, but maybe not enough time to do it before release
I cannot wait for Paladin to be added not only because 5e Paladins are as busted as they always have been, but so I can have a Paladin of Shar (if the option is available) to go with the cleric.
I'm not too much into d&d but I take it most paladins do not like shar?
@@GenshinLover283Nah, the issue with 5e Paladins and Gods is that its not entirely clear if a Paladin's powers comes from a God or their Oath. Because the game mentions and has you fight Paladins of Tyr I am hoping that they let us chose a religion like with cleric.
@@grim-4552 they added paladins and actually buffed them
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d I know already did a playthrough with one it was fun, but still a bit put out we can't choose a faith for them.
@@grim-4552 yeah that is sad but it seams that there is a faith with the oath as my oath of ancients seams to be a father of the oak father
So sharrans are basically just depression clerics...
She told my halfling rogue several of those things as well.
"I can't swim" yeah, none of us can. I had a coop buddy push me into waist high water and I instantly drowned.
*Another Cleric of Shar*
"You're not the kind of company I'd keep willingly"
Bitch, what?
Is it just me or does the mocap seem more smooth and overall cohesive than in the final release?
The way she moves her neck is a little too dramatic i think... No woman ive known has moved her neck that much in a normal human interaction..
I think the animators added it to give a stronger expression. Lazeal also has those instances that looks like she is biting you and it adds to her character.
@@KevinSmith-qi5yn I personally think it's a bug. Only speculating, but it feels too jerky from word to word. If I have to guess, this is because they aren't using mo-cap - instead, animations are a series of lip/head movements strung together (this is how Witcher 3 did theirs).
Each syllables is matched with a different animation (and the animators are essentially stringing along 20, 30 animation frames). As the game develops their goal is to smooth it out.
All this talk of Char but not a single red moblie suit in sight.
Dammit Amuro!
It's funny. When I played BG3 years ago in Patch 5 for 100 hours I kinda disliked all of the companions. A bunch of worthless arrogant assholes.
But somehow with minor tweaks here and there they made them likeable. Seems like Larian listened to the feedback, thought about it, and changed only little things to help it. And I'm still able recognize the characters fully.
very interesting to see the polish look at this now its released
I know this video is old af, but I think the reason Shadowheart can't remember anything is because Shar's weapon 'the staff of oblivion' gives people complete amnesia when used. It also wouldn't surprise me one bit if shadowheart's story is based on the fight between selune and shar, where shar masqueraded as selune, took her followers, and almost succeeded into convincing selune that she was shar and that shar was selune. So if shadowheart winds up being a devout selunite with amnesia who became a shar worshipper after getting struck with the staff of oblivion... told you so.
you were surprisingly close...
@@mmegidolaonn real close but I don't want to say just how close because of spoilers.
Hero: I'm something of a Shar cleric myself...
Shadowheart: *gloriously naked*
i recognized the sound of the black throated loon at the beginning of the video. such an amazing sound they make, you should look it up if you read this.
i sure do love a church girl
T-pose to show your dominance @5:52
A cleric without guidance, now I've seen it all.
shame they removed shar for tav clerics in live. hopefully they put her back in (along with the others they removed) later on..
Right? Removing the dead 3, I get it… removing shar? : (
I wish they kept this in
Another way to get in good with Shadowheart is to produce a catastrophic shart.
I think the only priestess of Shar I can handle is Viconia. Half the stuff that comes out of shadowhearts mouth tempt me to use her for fireball target practice
Yeah Vic was good, but Im wondering if Shadowheart whole personality revolves around worshipping Shar. Those Characters in general are the most annoying when they never shut up about their shit god.
@@zara6854
I'm just hoping her character develops into more than just the fanatical disciple of Shar. ShadowHeart has some good moments but then it comes back to her going on about Shar again.
Shar was more of a way to add flavor and backstory when it came to Viconia. She did like to go on about Drow culture and the strange and hostile reactions of the surface world but it didn't dominate every conversation in BG2. Call me a masochist but I really found her intriguing.
BG3 is in early access and we've only seen a small unfinished section of the first act. I'm hoping they're adding a lot more substance to ShadowHeart as a character. Larian has made some great games but I've not always been happy with how some characters in there games remain stagnant such as Lohse in DOS2. So here's hoping.
@@zara6854 I'm hoping that her character turns out to have been mind wiped and have that personality implanted.
She probably won't be any more likable but it would be an interesting explanation for why she's so... Single minded.
@@AAJillSandwich in fairness, Shadowheart's devotion, and the complete obsession she has with her goddess is what Viconia (or any cleric of Shar) should have had. Shar is canonically, a goddess with a certain degree of monomania.
Even so, Viconia had her own form of ideological zealotry no less obsessive than Shadowheart - Viconia never shuts up about being a drow, and drow life, about how dangerous she is, how lowly non-drow are, and how edgy she is, and how the world will never accept her...blah blah ad infinitum. It's really not that different to Shadowheart. Viconia often warranted being left behind of trying another companion, just to get off her own single minded rant.
@@TheSamuraijim87
I get real tired of characters who's defining personality trait is the overbearing zealot such as Shadowheart. Here's hoping she develops somewhat as the game continues developing.
In fairness I can say the same thing about Viconia. Being Drow she comes from a culture that's cruel and arrogant who's people ( the drow) are known to constantly backstab each other. Drow are treated as vile monsters and often looked upon with fear and hate from "surface dwellers". Viconia was no exception and was persecuted herself a lot of times no fault of her own because she's a Drow. It would be weird if she wasn't at some level paranoid and arrogant.
Viconia also changes quite a lot when during her romance path in BG2, even more so when going the neutral route turning her allingment from evil to true neutral. She becomes a much more trusting person and mellows out.
Shadowheart seems okay but hope they add in more clerics companions.
unlikely, there's only 3 more companions, ones a ranger that lacks hair and has a thing for small rodents, one is a teifling that you may or may not kill working for a fake paladin, don't really know the third.
@@spicydeath82 some people think it’s volo, the bard from the grove
@@spicydeath82 it may also be the deep gnome you save in grimforge
Whoa there, I want to know what that is your pc is wearing??
In the cave specifically
@@aarontiroff6017 that the oak father's embrace you can get it from the owl bear cave
@@dittmar104 appreciate ya!
3:04 Animated emotions are good, but damn the head movements through that entire dialogue option makes my neck hurt. And 3:54
It's sad that they took these interactions out of the game as it currently stands.
I wanna know what happens if your character is a Cleric of Shar involving the Nightsong. Do you & Shadowheart both become Dark Justiciars or only one can become one or do they both fight for the right become DJ?
You can’t choose Shar as a deity in full release :(
@@Stuartette The files are still in the game, so if you're on PC you can still reactivate them with a mod.
If you make it that far, Shadowheart SAYS that this is the chance for the two of you to become Justiciars, but she's the only one who actually does. I don't know if they just didn't get far enough to program the player into being recognized as one as well before scrapping the idea, or if it was just an oversight.
After the warning about changing origin character classes, I decided that shar would make an excellent sneak thief, since I'd staked Astarion when the guy tried to drink my blood. She is hiding her shar worship no matter her class, so it doesn't seem to matter.
Shadowheart and lae'zel makes me miss lohse so badly. They are definitely interesting to listen to... just not likable.
I suspect they’ll get more compelling and relatable in the second act and beyond. Especially Lae’zel, whose world is going to fall apart when the kithrak tries to kill her.
Lhose’s actor is also a lilting, expressive soprano. She’s designed to be likeable from the getgo.
Shadowheart is definately going to be likeable. Just not from the beginning of act 1 like lohse. Sebille took a bit of time too but she was great.
In this instance she is like "My name is Shadowheart conformist and I'm a cleric a Shar"
Player responds with "Oh yeah conformist?! My name is Night Pain and I'm a cleric of Shar!"
What's going on with the pond behind Shadowheart at 1:20 lol
you're character looks like "I'm skyler white yo"
0:04 Oooh😄
jesus.. that face on the main character is damn handsome..i'm gonna use that for my character LOL
Dunno if it's the angle of the shot or just her face. But to me it looks like she is mocking you, with the way she talks.
My name is Skyler White, yo.
She's giving that Crash Bandicoot stare at 2:15
Now I NEED to convert!
omfg shes so cute
My Goliath Tempest Cleric of Talos literally summoning indiscriminate storm and having random violent outbursts (Dark Urge)
Shadowheart: Don't judge me for my edgy darkness god, you don't understand me!
Honestly for how offended she gets for you pushing her on her beliefs and secrets she brings them up ALL the time.
What is this strange magic of which they speak anyway? I couldn't stand dragging her around so I deliberately denied my party a cleric on my first playthrough, and rolled one myself on the second one. Does she just randomly go berserk and try to blast you or something?
no she like glows or something ?? I can't remember exactly and you also find her in camp doing something at some point, don't wanna spoil too much. I think you need to have high approval with her to get the cutscene.
When the game fully releases I'm only taking the "good" characters with me, Astarion annoys me, Lae'zel bores me and god Shadowheart is frustrating. An annoying thing I discovered is that even if your character doesn't use the Illithid powers after the second or third dream the characters treat you like you have. When Wyll confronted my Teifling druid I was like "Bitch, I have not done shit, what crawled in your pants and died?"
I heard you can be a "Selune Paladin", anyone know how??
Kind of a bug/glitch but, if you multiclass paladin and cleric of Selûne, you'll sometimes get options marked as "Paladin of Selûne".
Less of a bug and more of a vestige of how paladins might have worked at one point in the development process. It works that way for all deities- if you check your tags you'll have both a "Cleric of X" and "Paladin of X" tag. I played a Paladin of Bahamut once. Even had one or two tagged options, though they weren't any different than the cleric options would have been, I think.
@@excaliburv4332 the bug part is in that the tag is still visible at all even though the option to choose a deity as a paladin was removed. But yes, it's definitely an artifact leftover from an idea abandoned during development.
If I want to play as one of my favorite 5E characters, the character will have to be a Selûne worshipper (all rogue except for one level of Knowledge cleric). I can't wait to see how it will mess with Shadowheart dialogue. My real question is what is the maximum level you can reach before meeting her (I need at least two because the starting class must be rogue).
you can multiclass into selune cleric at any moment and the dialogue will pop up like nothing, you will meet her during the tutorial level but it is possible to turn level two during it, and even level up to three or four before recruiting her
Is this game good? First time seeing it
I need a hardcore option for shadowheart and i
Just decline the others to join you
I'm sure there's websites for that kind of material 👌
That elven chad face.
Andy Samberg?
What kind of stupid ass question is it to ask Shadowheart if she's well-versed in Shar's teachings? She's a Dark Justicar and JUST TOLD YOU she follows Shar.
Blind fanaticism and sweetness in a single character. A real girl of today
Gurl i wanted to eat a hand 5mins ago. No judgements
When she mad and expand her nose
is it me or times her neck stretches... giraffe..
What armor is the male wearing? I know that Shadowheart is wearing Scale +1 but what is he wearing is that scale as well?
Neither of them is Scale. Shadow heart is wearing her starting unique chain shirt armor and the PC is also wearing a normal Chain Shirt
@@ceazer6857 ok thanks. It was just that it look different.
What do you do just click on the 1st option every time?...
The isometric camera..dunno if thats the right word, never really liked it I like how the conversations are will have to play this game on ps5
its a crpg what do you expect
@@natpat4094 I don't even know what crpg means lol
LMAO he said PS5! Good luck on that one.
@@LordxRush I did say ps5 and in some years I'll say ps6
@@Pumpernickel420 good luck with that bro, PC only.
as Cleric of Selune you get unique dialog, too
I honestly wish I could get enough approval with her to actually be able to know her storyline
But she won't stop bitching me and I don't resist eldritch blasting her anymore
Why did they remove this it’s bs
It's still in game, you just need to mod in Shar deity for clerics. Strangely enough paladin deities work as well, only for 1st act tho, cleric of shar works through the act 3. They just scraped it, possibly to make shadowheart origin more unique
Imagine worshipping a goddess (or a god) that caused the greatest catastrophe the world has ever known by orchestrating the murder of a goddess that is actually vital for the continued existence of the world.
I so regret romancing shadowheart in my campaign, now im stuck with a weirdly emotional fanatic with mommy issues
I hate how she pronounces Selune.
I still think "Shadowheart" is a stupid name. Might as well named her "xxSephirothxx".
At least it sounds good in english. They translated it in french for "Ombrecoeur". It means the same thing but it's ugly.
@@OxiBluz so they made it sound ugly in a language renowned for sounding pretty...now that's some comedy 🤣
Well, it's not her name actually
Shadowheart's story arc (well if you take the good path)...Chapter 1: "Yeah Shar! Boo Selune!" Chapter 2: "Super yeah Shar! I want to be Shar's bestest Justiciar ever! And even more boo to Selune! Boo! Boo! Boo!" Chapter 3: "I worship Selune now, Shar sux!" I mean that's a bit of 180 turn if there ever was one, you would think instead of going from the super evil Shar to the super good Selune, she could have shifted a little more neutral first, maybe become a Helm worshiper for a while or something.
isn't the "sudden change" due to the fact that Dame Aylin literally tells her that she was a Selunite child abducted and indoctrinated into Sharran worship?
Шар - богиня петуШАР
This is like watching christians and muslims debating over what YHWH is lol
Not a WoW Quest 👎
Early access will always be superior to the half assed full version we got
Agree.