The Secrets of Samurai Armor - DEBUNKED

[@MrEricleblanc26]

"If you don't know something, don't teach it"
That's a good principle, more teachers should follow it.

[@viscountrainbows6452]

I can play some cool stuff on guitar but I will never charge for guitar lessons cos I simply don't KNOW. I just hear pretty sounds and run with them.

[@theBaron0530]

Ah, but a teacher only needs to know a little more than his pupils. A third-grade teacher just needs to know a little more than a third-grader.😉

[@nicholas1053]

Yeah . . . Medieval European knights couldn't ride on a horse, that why Europeans never had this great and unique type of military unit used by the Japanese called cavalry. Yep. Cavalry they called it. That's an interesting word. I wonder where that word came from . . .

[@valentinesteban8566]

Nicolavs Iohannis Eīganvs equites

[@nicholas1053]

Mini Tumid ummm . . . equitati

[@valentinesteban8566]

roman equites

[@nicholas1053]

Mini Tumid I don't get what you're trying to say.

[@valentinesteban8566]

it doesn t matter

[@Fedorchik1536]

"But let's do it in civilized way!"
Yes, challenge him to a duel!

[@michaelgoldsmith9359]

Nick Fedorov and we will use the most civilised weapon ...
A lightsaber
The fight will end after first decapitation

[@winstonsallet9541]

🤣 I can’t breathe

[@thhseeking]

Feed him to the lions!

[@MrWeAllAreOne]

On horse back each wearing their favourite armour...my money is on medieval plate armour.

[@obi501]

*unscrews pommel*

[@aaronpaul9188]

Its an art museum. Perhaps armor is not his speciality, but he got a new exhibit, did a crash course on samurai armor for the new exhibit, and thus really he isnt an expert either. Thats the best excuse I can come up with for him.

[@redbandit1able]

Yeah like that explo,think maybe he just got dropped in it and didn`t really know anything but wanted to sound good dude prob didnt even know UA-cam was a thing LOL!

[@eds1942]

He was winging it.

[@danielaramburo7648]

It’s ok to be ignorant on a subject, but the presenter should speak to what he knows and be willing to say “I don’t know, I need to read more on it”.

[@wild_lee_coyote]

I went to that touring exhibit and they were spouting the same stuff through the guide. I walked away when they said that they had to use a crane to put a knight on a horse. I didn't want to contradict them in front of the 30 people doing the tour. I was confident that I knew more about the armor than she did and was not really going to learn anything from her. So I just took hundreds of pictures of the armor.

[@Todd3246]

Actually using cranes to put knights in jousting armour has been documented, I say again used to put knights in jousting armour on horse back. Other methods were also used,

[@VbombzDaBomberman]

>When Metatron goes full Cockney.
Glorious

[@agochoa]

Vbombz I noticed he put it on a little thick in this one. Lol

[@jamesslater7094]

CUPPA TEA PLEASE!

[@zathandrapus460]

It seems to be a common thing with Italians who are fluent in English, the accents combine and end up sounding Cockney

[@AsterixKearn]

The entire concept of what that curator is doing is really quite terrifying.
How many people must turn around and say "Well an official guy from a museums said something so it has to be true."?
I'm only 3 minutes into the video (45ish seconds-1 minute into the presentation) and I'm already amazed by what this guy is saying, and with a straight face. You would think working at a museum would instill in you a desire to learn the truth of history, along with the desire to dissuade such falsities as 'a hundred pound tin can' or whatever the hell he said.
I suppose you just have to hope that people will be smart enough to think to themselves "Huh, that doesn't seem right let me look it up myself" and learn the truth about armor, weapons, culture, etc, be they European, Asian, or anything in between.

[@AlanGChenery]

Outlast The Dark as a medieval history graduate who has done a lot of volunteer work in the heritage sector... its disturbingly common. The majority of people who are senior in museums and heritage have no formal historical education and are buisness men/women first. Unfortunately however they also have final say over most things even beyond the historians and archeologists (or passionate self taught individuals I wouldn't want to feminist their often substantial input) they may have on staff. And these senior people are often passionate about some aspect of history and will aggressively push that narritive, hence why you get references to druids on information boards in late medieval welsh castles, and blithering nonsense about women being chattel in museum this books.

[@ieuanhunt552]

Outlast The Dark I hope there are just as many people who call him out on his bullshit

[@101jir]

That's why you never look at a single source, no matter how (supposedly) credible. Better yet, take the best sources that opposite views have to offer, then compare and contrast.

[@AnthonySforza]

Honestly, this is why we have so many myths at the moment circling as truth. I mean, have you seen some of the things in the Iga Ninja Museum? While awesome and cool, they're rather misleading. I mean, when the person that's arguably the world's leading researcher on things like the Samurai and Japan before the Meiji Period, has to put out a retraction on his own work due to "We believed what the Japanese were telling us, we had no reason to think that they'd be wrong" there's something f a problem. In any case, I respect him for doing that, as it at least shows a desire toward truth and not his own ego.

[@pizdamatii5001]

+anthony that's really interesting. what is the name of this researcher? i'd like to know more about this.

[@gulliverthegullible6667]

My history teacher, who really should have known better, told us this BS about knights needing a crane to get on their horse. If one has learned this from a source of authority, one is likely to believe it without hesitation. Even though a second thought would reveal that this myth is obviously BS.

[@Mtonazzi]

That's the problem. 15 or 17 years ago I would have thought the same, because I read serious books that had phallacies like those. Eventually I learned that they used tournament armour as examples for field armour and what a mistake it was.
Then I remember laughing at History Channel (when it was actually more about "history" than pawn shops, aliens and truck drivers), specially on the Conquest show. I don't know if it was a dubbing error, but in my language they claimed a greathelm weighted 10kg! (22 lbs)

[@Mtonazzi]

***** Well, wasn't she salty? xD Ideally those who spend lives teaching do it because it's their call in life; but I see what she may meant (specially is she had or thinks she had bad personal experiences).
Even if true, one would (like to) assume those who teach would base what they impart on what those "great intellectuals" postulated.

[@Mtonazzi]

That's a shame /: I didn't had that issue (and when I eventually researched some stuff that later on caught my interest, found that most was alright, a couple things did got outdated with time, though).
But then, I'm sure we're from different countries and we've got different ages, that alone breaks the universality of a statement both in favour or against "what is taught on highschools"

[@kalieljames1617]

Is no one gonna say anything about this guy being called gulliver the gullible

[@TheMan-je5xq]

Gulliver the Gullible unfortunately some people are put into positions of authority who at best should be one of the students don't know if he knows his stuff on other topics. I think a lot of teachers are only teachers because smart people don't call them on their bullshit

[@Tang-qi6zw]

Where did this extreme reverence for Japanese weapons and armor even come from? Do people think that only the Europeans can come up with mythological people, weapons, and armor? Do people get all their information from fiction? What is this thing about thinking that Japan is so great compared to Europe? Anyways, fantastic video, as always.

[@Tang-qi6zw]

Amandeep Kumar I suppose that makes. My studying of WWII battles does show that intense spirit. I can't think of any examples from the west off of my head.

[@mattps.3040]

Orange Face an example of not surrendering usually was with the Vikings

[@sebastianmartin4704]

I think it comes from a very strange interpretation of their weapons/armor/culture, etc. What I mean is that what the west "knows" about Japan and its 'Medieval' era warriors came from people restricted to certain areas. When Japan allowed Europeans to set up trading, the emissaries and the like were restricted to a very small number of areas and basically just peaked on them (the Japanese) and some wrote books on their 'findings'. Most portrayed the Japanese and their culture in a mysterious, reclusive fashion reminiscent of what the Romans thought about the British Isle Celts and I suppose that's hardly changed through the years.
That would definitely explain the elevated status the uninitiated would think of concerning the Samurai, Ninja and their war gear. But its not even the Japanese, the Buddhists as well are portrayed very poorly in regards to historical accuracy in American Cinema and text. (I think part of it comes from the fact that western philosophy is more concerned with what real, tangible whilst eastern philosophies are more into the spirituality of life and that IMO exaggerates the mystery of the east from the western point of view). Now take this with a grain of salt because I'm definitely no expert on this subject.

[@Nasmr1]

Amandeep Kumar pleaaaaaaase tell me you're being sarcastic

[@Nasmr1]

Oh thank fuck. I come across genuine morons like that way too often so I can't tell anymore

[@Ragd0ll1337]

The reason why the curator doesn't give a shit about the history is because he's a curator of an art museum, not historical. Figures.

[@bluelobster56]

Ragd0ll my thought exactly. The dude is a curator of Japanese art, so prolly has no deep knowledge of armor. However, I think Metatron has a valid point... as an educator, the curator should know what he doesn't know, and not spout nonsense.

[@pergundberg9423]

That can early on in the video looked like it had a lot of fluting. Would I be correct in assuming that it is a Gothic (perhaps Maximilian) tin plate can?

[@galumir]

Per Gundberg Oh my Goodness, you made my day sir ^^
Make this top comment lads :D

[@Vlad_Tepes_III]

The sheer extent of fluting suggests specifically Maximilian tin can.

[@longpinkytoes]

full jousting plate would require at the max, a million tin cans. :P

[@Josiah04]

"spot the difference." i am dying XD

[@tyleri.4219]

Northern_Ranger 2 Same

[@feartheghus]

I couldn’t spot any differences.

[@fndsfflamer1549]

@@feartheghus /s?

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

There is a old polish saying:
"Nie znam się, to się wypowiem"
It means: "I do not know much about it, so I'll utter about it"

[@Lord_Viscerate]

How do you pronounce that? Could you try a transliteration?

[@BB-hx4mj]

CIOFIDE how about google translation? Have you tried that before?

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

@@BB-hx4mj dont be mean. It was like a year ago anyway

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

@@Lord_Viscerate sorry for late respose.
Its something like:
Nye znam sye, tou sye vi po wyem

[@BB-hx4mj]

Paweł Andonis Gawralidis Dobrzański herbu Leliwa. I meant it as a joke, not in any negative way.

[@NoahWeisbrod]

Toby Capwell is a tin can confirmed.

[@Scathsealgaire]

If by tin can, you mean light and extremely well designed. Then yes :D

[@NoahWeisbrod]

Scathsealgaire No, his armor isn't a tin can. He's a tin can.

[@AGermanFencer]

Toby Capwell => TC => Tin Can :o !

[@NoahWeisbrod]

Blank- blade whoa...

[@MRKapcer13]

Toby Capwell is light and well designed? Whatever floats your boat I guess..

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

European armour weighed 100lb? Nonsense, it was the swords that weighed 100lb, with the armour being half a ton!
That's how much stronger medieval knights were, compared to the puny samurai! ;P

[@adorablecenturion8436]

*that's a plot twist*

[@melnation6717]

Imagine if someone walked in when you weee meditating, "uh metatron what are you doing metatron- im preparing myself to react to a video about armour " ... Uhh okay"

[@adamfrisk956]

Shoulder pads stopping gunfire? Get out!

[@adamfrisk956]

I don't know. I think he needs to get his brains checked. And I'm not joking about it. He might be getting senile.

[@theashennamedjerry3203]

Adam Frisk actualy, some could stop an arquebuse shot. Metatron even made a vid mentioning it. I hate it when somebody is talking shit when spewing bullshit themselves.

[@adamfrisk956]

lolsquad Lacquered wood stopping a musket ball? Uwhat? Maybe from 1 mile away when the ball had already lost almost all its kinetic energy.

[@adamfrisk956]

But I wasn't talking about metal breastplates. I was specifically talking about lacquered wood shoulder pads.

[@adamfrisk956]

Oh and one important note here. By the 16th century almost all decent armour was imported from Europe and wasn't widespread.

[@joshklein987]

Lol my European history teacher has a degree in South American history and while he is fine at teaching the overall trends he constantly fucks up on things like Knights

[@petrodeloro]

They hire people just to teach history.
Well, I suppose he's talking about elementary school.

[@joshklein987]

petrodeloro its AP Euro

[@TheMan-je5xq]

Edgy Bastage the problem is no one or not many people think subjects like knights and armor are important and even if that's true history is studied because it's interesting and the usefulness of it depends on context

[@joshklein987]

Joe Judge they aren't very important for massive trends in history but what bugs me is that he even gets the generalizations about them wrong. If your going to summarize something its sort of nice to base the summary on the original

[@germanvisitor2]

Capote, please!
Actually, medieval knights were soheavy that they couldn't move at all. They were simply thrown at the enemy with a catapult.

[@NapoleonBonaparte-of4sl]

Even worse, they have to threw knight using a artillery used by the Russian made on the cold war era!
I know im "a little bit" late

[@VitorEmanuelOliver]

So the whole video is about debunking one statement

[@metatronyt]

ofcourse I could just say "he is wrong" but I need to back up what I say with actual historical info, hence the whole video, plus part of it is comedy.

[@Bushidobull]

I really appreciate this attitude, Lots of people feel that Proof is not needed. and Keep up the awesome job. TY

[@irispaiva]

Metatron how come you never talk about Middle Eastern medieval gear?
I think it would be interesting to hear about the rivals of the european knights.

[@Tuviguitar]

HAHAHAHAHHA "3, 2, 1...spot the diferences"

[@Rex-golf_player810]

i fuckin loved that part

[@nachtpfoetchen]

Your pronunciation of the german words is good. I think it wouldn't take you long to learn a decent german.

[@metatronyt]

I would love to learn German

[@franzferdinand996]

Metatron
Basic German.
Beer=Bier
Anal Sex=Arschficken
Sword=Schwert
Cock=Schwanz

[@skeletalforce9673]

klauedernacht Fängt ja schon mal gut an

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

For italians german pronunciation is super easy, at least easier than english

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

Being a curator, doesn't make you an expert. You *_should_* know a thing or two about the stuff before you become one, and you *_should_* learn about the stuff more, whilst you are a curator
...but you don't have to.
You just have to be able to perform maintenance on the stuff.
What should be, and what is, are not the same thing.
...and being a curator of Japanese armour, *sure as hell,* don't make you an expert (or even slightly informed) on European armour!
This reminds me of a "documentary" about Japanese swords, where you had people were comparing the katana with European swords, based on having looked at the katana.
Just the katana.
Not having any clue about European swords ...or any aspect of swordsmanship (of _either_ culture), or even how you're supposed to hold a sword (probably including the katana, here as well).

[@mic3l]

That moment, when you realize, that a guy from youtube have more knowlege about armour then an guy from a museum.
Greetings from Germany

[@lurtz1986]

Thank you for keeping calm, It got a calming effect :)

[@AugustSideling]

Oh believe me i go on trips with a group from a local historical site and my FAVOURITE PART is when our museum educator debriefs us on everything the tour guide said that was bullshit as soon as we're back on the bus. I've heard Museum staff spout some absolute doozies.

[@pongtheboy839]

This guys amazing he's talking about the history of another nation in a second language

[@Player_Review]

The idea of wearing armor when going against an opponent armed with a katana, is like putting on plate armor when someone is going to drop an armed nuclear warhead directly on top of you. May as well ditch the armor for increased mobility, though some texts do state that the lamellar armor did add some protection from the shock waves of katana air swipes.

[@JonSnowize]

FOLDED OVER A 1000 A TIMES

[@undead1961]

From a standpoint of someone who have had experiences with sword fighting, and a basic knowledge on how armor works, I will politely say that I must disagree with your statement. Here is my reason
1. To compare a weapon from one culture to another's armor is rather irrelevant, but for the sake of this argument, we will disregard that detail and move on. You see, although katana has been known to cut through metal (usually a sheet of steel), those are rather exaggerated information from people who have done only a few researches on how Katana actually work. The truth is, even with Japanese traditional armor, the katana finds difficulties to tear through. Most of the time, the Samurais wouldn't bother to cut the armor either. They would rather aim for the parts where it is unprotected, do maximize the damage done to the enemy.
2. European armors works on the same principle as Japanese armor. It's worn to protect people from sword blades, as those where the most common weapon used, alongside with spears in the battlefield. If the sword can cut through the metal plates of the armor, then there's no point for Samurais or Knights to even wear them. The myth about Katanas actually able to cut through metal is somewhat false. Most of the time, the people who test the myth didn't use an actual piece of armor, but rather just a sheet of metal and cut them through. If the sheet is thin enough, then even European Longswords, or Claymore would do the same thing. To really testify the myth that Katana can cut through European armor, you would have to test it on an actual piece of armor, and you would also have to take account on the layer of chainmail (make sure that they're riveted, which are the correct version of historical chainmails and not LARP tools.) as well as a gambeson beneath as well. There is a reason why Knights, at some point, stopped using sword and switch to blunt weapons such as maces or morning stars, is because armor as evolved to a point that swords are consider worthless, since there're less than a millimeters gap where the blade could puncture through.
That should wrap up my point. The truth is, not all katana could cut through armor as easy as butter. If you do have evidences of how it could cut through, then please, by all mean, change my mind and prove me I'm in the wrong.

[@HiragamaIkunai]

I have to make a joke here, How to cut armor with anything .....beat it repeatedly in the exact same spot. Until the armor breaks under stress....though you might be at it for quite some time and your weapon will probably break before the armor does(not including things meant for actual bashing).

[@Saintphoenix86]

Weeb alert, like all weebs you think Katanas are magical and can beat all other swords, and its just not true

[@Askorti]

Actually, I believe that scale armor offers slightly better protection against the katana, as the overlapping scales are better at dissipating the chi energy that the katana transfers from the wielder to the target.

[@ig33ku]

No offence but are we debunking Samurai Armour myths or Western Platemail myths?

[@metatronyt]

I'm debunking the video which had that title

[@xinfinity8532]

I wonder whats more horrible the mind warehouse video or that

[@ig33ku]

Metatron maybe try
The Secrets of Samurai Armor Video - Debunked :P

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

+ig33ku One of the myths of Western Platemail, is that there is such as thing as "platemail" (sadly a fairly widely spread myth, even in supposedly credible sources of information, so I'm not blaming you).
There is mail armour and there is plate armour.
There is no such thing as "plate mail".
That is just garbled nonsense, that makes no sense, in any way.
"Platemail", "chainmail", scalemail and the rest of that modern nonsense, was made up in the 1800's.
It's just mail (or maille, if you prefer), plate (or plate armour), scale (or scale armour)...
Some terms, like "ringmail" refer to types of armour that never even existed, but are purely made up stuff, arising from misinterpretations of old artwork.

[@metatronyt]

***** Actually no, plate mail or plated mail don'texist, it's plate or plate armour. Mail is only the armour made of small metal rings linked together in a pattern.
Interestingly enough in moder Italian the word "maglia" means mail armour but also sweatshirt, same word.
Mail is not an alternative word for armour.

[@xxAntiOtakuxx]

Poorly displayed armor at 2:09 the Ita on that particular armor are reversed. The Hato-no-ita/ kyubi ita or smooth faced one should be on the right and Sendan Ita/ sendan-no-ita should be on the left.

[@ChrissieBear]

Holy shit, that guy should be fired.

[@voltekthecyborg7898]

"It's like a tin can"
It was made from hardened steel
"It weighed over 100 lbs."
Lightest it got was around 35 to 40 lbs. and heaviest it got was 55 lbs. But because the weight was dispersed, it felt light
And yes, the knights used cavalry. Cavalry was derived from Chivalery (I may have botched the spelling) which in return, Chivalery made the word Chivalry, which means "anything a knight is good at", which was, actually, riding horses. There were footsoldier knights, but knights were commonly on horseback as a horse gives you a sizable advantage over the enemy.

[@zedman6547]

finnaly someone makes a video about this

[@zedman6547]

why am I getting 360p though

[@tyleri.4219]

zed man When a video is first uploaded to UA-cam, UA-cam puts out the lower quality version first to get it out faster, then with time gets the highest out. Did you view it pretty early?

[@FreeOfFantasy]

you are just early. youtube encodes the resolutions one after the other and starts with the low ones.

[@xinfinity8532]

the museum curator watched too much anime

[@zedman6547]

I've literally never encountered that ever

[@autismisuncontrollable4925]

A knight, a fucking knight literally means a soldier on a fucking horse serving a lord under a contract called the chivalric code. I'm pissed already.

[@jeffreygao3956]

I'm so glad you took the civilized route of debunking. The curator is an expert in samurai armor but not that of knights.

[@macro3751]

metatron, i must say, your jokes just get better and better, that "spot the differences" part just killed me

[@metatronyt]

:D

[@macro3751]

you know, i wrote that comment not really counting on you replying to it, i just wanted to say something nice, and being a big fan of yours my only reaction was, well, to put it simply "i came looking for copper and i found gold"

[@joshuapatrick682]

The curator isn’t necessarily an historian or knowledgeable about the collection beyond cursory knowledge to explain to galleries that curate the exhibit. It’s a collection of amazing items likely with a rich and storied history, but it is unlikely he knew much more than his staff were able to compile in a 20 page word doc.

[@maugustyniak]

The "historian" is a classic case of weebmasterlvl9001. Samurai armour is beyond gorgeous, which does not discount European armours in the least bit.

[@schizoidboy]

I will say that I did actually hear -perhaps more in passing during a history lecture - that knights needed some sort of hoisting device to get on their horses, this does not mean that they did. I do know that when it comes to armor I remember what one show stated and that was you didn't wear anything that wasn't going to keep you alive. In the same show they had re-enactors doing cartwheels in full suits of armor, something that debunks the notion of knights not being able to move.

[@HippieInHeart]

regarding the jousting:
"rennen" and "stechen" are german words that, directly translated, mean "to run" and "to stab"
similarly "rennzeug" and "stechzeug" can be directly translated to "running stuff" and "stabbing stuff"
however, with that last part, you have to also consider how the languages evolved. today, "zeug" means just general stuff. back then it was common to use "zeug" when referring to "gear" or "equipment" (which, today, would be called "ausrüstung" in german)

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

7:53 This heavy armour (alongside the decline of jousting in the west of course) was the reason why many Poles had very easy time with winning in tournaments in the western europe.
To quote one Pole being witness of jousting in Spain in year 1595: "In the evening at 22 o'clock the cavaliers started the tourney. It quickly became clear that they have little chance against Polish nobles, it was because they dressed up themselves and their horses in such armours(heavy? cumbersome?)that they not only weren't able to hit each other but even see each other(...) one pair of attendees were trying twelve times and twelve times they missed, breaking their lances on lists or ground."
There is quite interesting source about late jousting "Il cavaliere descritto in tre libri "(1629) by Antonino Ansalone.

[@Riceball01]

This exhibit is at LACMA (LA County Museum of Art), looks like I'm going to have to pay a visit one of these weekends then. I just hope I don't run into the curator and here him spout BS about European plate armor being super heavy and all of that.
Btw, good job on this video Metatron. It looks like you've gotten the exposure/lighting down pat for this video, you're no longer over exposing your face and the blacks aren't crushed either. Well done, mate!

[@michielgoudzwaard8133]

I watched the tested video a couple of weeks ago and I'm not a armour expert but I thought it was weird and it sounded a bit antiquated.Thank you for the vid

[@derdingsreturnsnochmal5177]

(word by word) "Rennen" - running "Stechen" - stinging "Rennzeug" - running stuff "Stechzeug" - stinging stuff
( with a bit more reason) "Rennzeug" - running gear "Stechzeug" - stinging gear ( "Rennen" is an old expression for it, but it means in this case galloping, " Stechen " means, well still means stinging, but he's talking about the impact of the lance)

[@fmn2628]

I am a dan ranked martial artist, and my mother is a museum curator. She has a doctorate in Art, and museography postgraduate education. A curator is an expert in exhibiting and preserving art pieces. Before an exhibition they may read a book on the subject, and interview the owners of the collection. They are not an expert in the matter by no means. They have a limited and broad view on the subject. I would never take a curators word over my martial art education. This man only holds a little more knowledge than the average person attending the exposition.

[@MinZilla]

“rennen“ means to run/running
“stechen“ means to sting/pierce/stab
“zeug“ basically means stuff.
so “rennzeug“ is runningstuff
and
“stechzeug“ means piercestuff
it's hard to translate that

[@corbinholmes3752]

ty for making this video! I did not know this about the 2 different amours of the late century plate armor and the jousting armour!

[@fizikshizik]

I think in adition to the jousting armour that myth also comes from the cuirassier armour. It was extremely thick and heavy but offered some protection from bullets.
It's funny that many people think this protection was more a matter of the advertisment. I know one Russian book about weaponry from the beginning of the 19th century (mostly about use of firearms, full of accuracy tables and similar stuff, not memoirs or popular crap!) that talks about cuirasses as important protection against bullets and mentions tests of several cuirasses against firearms. One of them was heavy 18th century cuirass with musket not being able to pierce it from 19 m. If you are interested I may add extra info.

[@jameskaazaeros7087]

As an amateur armoror, I would love to see some vids on how various armors are made. Patterns and methods, ect

[@landsknecht8654]

There are some out there. I been looking my self because I want to make armor too.
Look up "How to make a Gothic gauntlet" here on UA-cam, that channel is amazing.

[@TheAmbientWarrior]

Medieval blacksmiths and engineers: *Spends centuries developing progressively better and better armor to the point where the standard is a fully articulated suit of steel plate that is not only so maximally protective that one often must be wrestled down and pinned to be killed in it, but is also light and comfortable enough for the wearer to perform virtually any meticulous task on the battlefield, from tying knots to performing acrobatics with nearly a full range of motion*
Museum curator: "Looks like a tin can"

[@Warden_Vtel]

The debunking crusades continue!

[@schizoidboy]

I remember this British show about arms and armor that was done at the Leeds Royal Armory. They discussed Samurai armor but they also discussed plate armor showing reenactors doing cartwheels in suits of armor showing they were mobile. In fact they were also saying in the beginning that you never wore anything that wouldn't keep you alive.

[@101jir]

2:54 Idk, I can see the resemblance. The implication was unwarranted, but a fair statement on a literal level. Lots of visible metal, not necessarily a bad thing.

[@ItachiUchiha-69]

The fact that he used non-Japanese terms to define separate pieces of armor, fine and dandy. But curass to shoulder pads? The fuck this guy thinks he's a specialist on armor too?!?
Lemme start with saying
Curass ((may be improper spelling)) is an English and/or European term for chest armor.
Now what's the European term for shoulder PLATES? Pauldrens.... not... fucking... shoulder pads
So he went from
European
To English
To bicycle safety for a 4 year old
Without ever using a single freaking Japanese term which of course, if you are a specialist YOU ARE GOING TO DO.

[@Todd3246]

there were generally 3 types of knight armour, jousting armour which has been documented using a form of crane to get the knight into saddle though other methods were also used. Ceremonial armour with intricate designs and motifs and never meant for combat at all and combat armour. One of the tests of knighthood, the knight was meant to be able to run and roll in the armour, they were also expected to a degree be able to vault into the saddle of there horse. In battle the general rule of thumb was if you ended on the ground you were dead.

[@williamsullivan7818]

You can't really blame the curator. he spent all his time learning about Japanese armor and history and likely followed the stereotypes many believe about knights.

[@DJMarcO138]

Am I the only one here who marvels at Raff's ability to sound both British and Italian at the same time? I mean, I know he is both (for all in tents and porpoises), but...yeah. I love it. Let's go back to watching the VEEDEEO!

[@CreeperJackInTheBox]

It freaking killed me! The "spot the difference" skit got me, I laughed pretty damn hard

[@gandalftheantlion]

I know its not really related to the video, but i think both armors demonstrate a sense of artistic greatness even the more simple armor like chainmail.

[@KerekesMarton12]

Bullet: hay can you deafet me!!!
Armour: No plz do not try!!!

[@francescoragghianti6068]

If you want something else to debunk search ted-ed's video "the upside of isolated civilizations", then PREPARE TO DEBUNK.
Good video, btw :)

[@genericfakename8197]

One time I had a museum employee insist that an M1 carbine on display was a lee-enfield.

[@Borristhebeaver-xg5eb]

Anybody else not want to click on the next video because the outro music is so epic?

[@TheAquilaSamurai]

Curious as to what was going on with your accent throughout this video. Half of it was smooth and suave, and the other alternating half resembled cockney London for some reason xD

[@crwydryny]

this is practically what I said on that video when I first saw it, that the only armours that heavy were post middle ages jousting armour which in some cases were so heavy they only bothered covering the front half of the body and the armour itself was fixed to the horse and immobile while the rider sat in it like a turret and aimed the lance

[@nukenugget]

honestly any other guy with this introduction I would redicule but the metatron is so likable thatit comes across as cool.

[@AdriannaDaFox98]

at around 7:05 you make a misconception there Metatron a full suit of Plate armor weighs (depending on dimensions and artistic qualities) between 15-25 kg (33-55lbs) just wanted to correct that because i know you and shad always tell us to do our research so just being a good student :3 Also normally the more artistic parade armor weighs more as well as the jousting armor

[@glenthemann]

What's with the different English accent used in this video.. It's weird

[@samuelrichter3417]

Cockney

[@thesenate5913]

Actual knight watches the video:
Did you know that i'm riding this horse backwards?

[@AGermanFencer]

Aaaah I remember seeing the samurai-vid. I remember beeing angry at the curator (who seems to be a really nice person, but ofc knows nothing about western knights armour) and at the same time was baffeled by the beauty of the samurai harnesses.
Good vid raf. Good vid. This needed to be done aswell. Keep those coming. But not too often, we need your heart intact.
That frogmouth thing though... Ill have to message you in private for details.

[@aeranthial439]

When I had originally saw this video I did not expect metatron to do a response video.

[@Askorti]

Reminds me of that absolutely dreadful "katana vs longsword" video. I still have nightmares of that.

[@MordredSimp]

I love how he says that Samurai Shoulders could block Gun Fire

[@northumbriabushcraft1208]

That armour with the eagle on the head is a masterpiece.

[@WhateverNick]

You've never been triggered until you're tin can triggered.

[@foobar201]

If you mute the video, you can enjoy some truly beautiful pieces of Japanese craftsmanship and artistry.

[@GideonStahl]

Clearly the museum curator never heard of jousting. Thank God I learned about armour when I was 5 years old from a coloring book featuring jousting Knights on horseback in Gothic armour.

[@Thebonesoftrees]

88'000 plus subs, well done Metatron!

[@theaussiebogan9680]

Me: log onto youtube. Oh hey, metatron has a new video. Debunked samurai video hah? Okay. Watch original. Reaction: so much wrong. Now im watching yours. I expect glory,
:)

[@AzraelThanatos]

If I remember right, there are some european style armors for knights that would make it difficult if not completely impossible to saddle a horse (Though you might be able to lay across it rather than a normal ride), but those tended to be due to other things.
The big thing with a lot of them were essentially an adaptation of the far older, armored skirt idea as a way to add some additional armored protection for those going into the melee as essentially a belt of long plates that look more akin to the works of art from greece or similar added to a normal set of armor.
Not a common thing, but one of many things that popped up and were essentially tried out along the way.

[@geromerebollido9375]

"do you know why im doing zen meditation?"
i thought he changed his accent to british

[@MultiAlanR]

I think saying something from Europe must be inferior to other parts of the world is a reflexive thing now, especially for academics. It's the "right" thing to say, as opposed to any other point of view which would be labelled racist, whether it's correct or not.

[@Electric999999]

I do have to wonder how someone could think armour stopped knights riding horses, riding around on horseback is what they're most famous for.

[@19platten20]

That's the samurai exhibition, a private collection. Has been in Munich last year. So the curator does not have special knowledge

[@novaman3509]

Metatron - The only Italian, Japanese Samurai-Ninja warrior, who sounds like he's from England!

[@Blake_Stone]

Those frogmouth helmets are spectacular. I'd love to see a video exploring them and looking at how bad the visibility really is (or if maybe it's not as bad as it appears).

[@istvansipos9940]

yes, and European swords were blunt (my other favourite myth often taught by "experts")
more DEBUNKED videos, please

[@vvinters]

Hi Metatron! Love your content and delivery. Just wanted to suggest that you should get some proper lighting for your videos because that will significantly increase the image quality. As it stands it looks like the camera is cranking up the ISO because there isn't much light, this adds a lot of noise to the image. All the best!

[@trevorh6438]

To be fair... when I was a kid, I had a nice book about knights and castles, and it said knights had to be lifted onto their horses with ropes and pulleys. So perhaps the curator, being old as he is, simply had outdated information, and hadn't known to learn the real information.

[@randallpetroelje3913]

I will try to help you keep calm. Thanks for your show.

[@KowboyUSA]

That's a large cup of tea, Metatron. It's even bigger than mine, which is a pint Mason jar. lol

[@lucanic4328]

Ciao Metatron!
Innanzitutto volevo farti i complimenti per il tuo canale, ti seguo da molto, i tuoi video sono davvero stimolanti e mi scuso per il lungo messaggio che ti sto scrivendo.
Come te condivido la passione per l'arte e la storia orientale, soprattutto quella giapponese, e nel tempo libero uno dei miei hobby principali è la ricerca di fonti storiografiche di varia natura riguardanti armi e armature giapponesi del periodo sengoku.
Ho avuto modo di leggere molti libri, parlare con professionisti e vedere di persona molti degli elementi che ho cercato. Non sono di certo un esperto o un ricercartore vero, ma la mia passione mi ha portato a raccogliere numerosi frammenti di lavori preziosi su armi e armature, pareri e opinioni di veri esperti e autorità del settore come storici, restauratori e collezionisti.
La mia idea era ricreare un progetto simile alla "Arming Series" e agli altri video di Knyght Errant; partendo dagli abiti arrivando alle varie componenti dell'armatura, come funzionano, il grado di protezione e come cooperano tra loro.
Il fine era quello di riportare in luce l'efficacia, la funzionalità e l'utilità delle protezioni offerte dalle armature del paese del Sol Levante.
Troppa gente, ho notato anche guardando nei commenti dei tuoi video, non ne vede le potenzialità, non ne conosce le componenti e spesso si lascia influenzare dalle armature dei periodi precedenti o dalle opere d'arte del periodo Edo per trarre conclusioni errate.
Vorrei soprattutto coinvolgere le persone dentro L'Hema, per scardinare un po' quelle convinzioni rigide che hanno sul fatto che quando si parla di armature si deve per forza parlare di armature europee, e magari coinvolgere anche persone orientali con dei sottotitoli per ricordar loro la bellezza della tradizione.
Non ho i mezzi, nè il tempo o il coraggio per lanciare un progetto simile per conto mio.
Sono sincero, mi dà fastidio e mi urta nel profondo venir a dire a te, che hai un sincero e profondo affetto per il tuo canale, cosa fare e come farlo.
Magari non ti piace nemmeno, preferisci lavorare da solo e lo capirei.
Però io voglio darti queste conoscenze per questo progetto. Sono sicuro che molte delle informazioni che ti darò sono già nel tuo bagaglio culturale, ma moltissime sono risorse e conclusioni personali o documenti rari raccolti in diversi anni, e sono certo che apprezzerai.
Ovviamente, ci tengo a precisarlo, il mio è un atto di stima profonda, chiamalo affetto, e lo faccio per amore della storia. Non chiedo nulla, non voglio nessun tipo di merito o riconoscenza, non voglio assolitamente essere citato se non come tuo fan, non voglio soldi, nulla.
Solo un tuo indirizzo mail dove mandarti questi miei file di testo con immagini e referenze fatte da me, muniti di risorse e fonti di vario tipo, e l'unica condizione che chiedo è che tu sia il più fedele possibile ai miei documenti se vorrai usarli: tutto qui.
Per il resto, è tutta roba che ti dono. Fanne il miglior uso possibile! Prendilo come un consiglio, un regalo sincero di un tuo fan o un modo per supportati. Non vuole essere null'altro.
Se sei interessato, fammi sapere! Se non vorrai i miei documenti o non vorrai farne un video (o meglio, vuoi lavorare da solo) non mi offenderò e avrai sempre e comunque il mio supporto!

[@metatronyt]

Ciao Luca, la cosa mi interessa e mi piace e ti ringrazio molto. Mandami pure questi documenti a questo indirizzo mail: [e-mail]
Sarei felice di citarti sui video che realizzerò come collaboratore.

[@lucanic4328]

Non sai quanto mi rende lieto!
Ti faccio un anticipazione: ho dei documenti di metallurgia, di Sakakibara Kozan ( 138 dollari su amazon), citazioni di Ian bottomley (ex curatore della Royal armouries di Leeds, sezione orientale), Dave Tatcher (principale restauratore in europa, ha anche lavorato con l'Iron Mountain armory) foto di magazzino in musei e altri. Spero ti possa servire, sto ancora mettendo assieme tutto quindi ci vorrà un po' ma lo faccio volentieri. Ti mando su quella mail

[@timvanroey2937]

I also think its beautifull weather 😜

[@metatronyt]

Si grazie, aggiungimi anche su facebook, mi trovi come Raffaello Urbani. Diedi il mio nome pubblicamente un po' di mesi fa su un video.

[@lucanic4328]

Metatron
Ho visto il tuo ultimo video, Iron or steel: complimenti, non avrei saputo fare di meglio! Forse avrei citato la tecnica descritta da Kozan Sakakibara, la Jumonjikitae ma davvero è una piccolezza!
Comunque se posso permettermi vorrei farti una correzione; le Tosei Gusoku furono create verso la fine del 15esimo (probabilmente nel 1470-80) innanzitutto per far fronte alla richiesta di produzione che portò all'utilizzo di lamine anziché lamelle/scaglie e alla creazione del Sugake odoshi che rimpiazzò il Kebiki Odoshi. Quindi l'utilizzo delle Ita Mono o delle Kiritsuke Zane, fu dettato dalla necessità di velocizzare i tempi di produzione più che rispondere al problema delle armi da fuoco, che arrivarono solo nel 1543.
Probabilmente l'utilizzo di questa tecnica risale a questo periodo, fine 15esimo secolo; inoltre le similaritá con la creazione di nihonto sono molte, il che rende questa teoria concreta.
P.S
Spero tu abbia ricevuto gli altri miei file, fammi sapere!!
Luca

[@tyleri.4219]

I love the quality of your vids.

[@cyberleaderandy1]

That curator needs to go visit the Royal Armoury at Leeds and learn about Medieval armour, how it works and how it was used.

[@PokeMaster22222]

Can the plate armour be mobile?
No, but a tin can!
- Joke this curator would likely say.

[@MikeBenko]

Your accent occasionally slips into the chaviest Mancunian ever. It's hilarious!

[@metatronyt]

I actually don't think there is any Mancunian at all in my accent, are you native? Because no native has ever told me that to be honest. If you want to hear a Mancunian accent you should hear Antony Cummins and then compare his accent with mine, which I think are very different. ;)

[@gg2fan]

Hey Mr. Tron, will you be playing Nioh when it comes out? If you didn't play it, the beta was absolutely fantastic and the armor is very, very accurate and good looking (Although the game takes place in 1600 and you'll find armor from earlier periods, but that doesn't bother me too much). There's guns and bows and everything too.

[@kars3926]

In german knight means ritter and the word ritter came from the word reiter (rider). Because before “knight” was an actual status they were elite warriors because they could fight while riding a horse.
What i want to say by that is that the word ritter just only means rider.

[@Gilmaris]

A museum curator tends to know a lot about where and when the items are from, and who used them - _how_ the items were used is generally not what curators tend to know much about.

[@williamsullivan7818]

that museum curator was um informed about something in the same era that his job deals with. He should at least be slightly informed.