thanks for the video, loved it as always ! For me PVE allowed me to actually enjoy tarkov. It's easier for me as someone that can't really dedicate so many hours "getting good", plus I am on the older side of gaming and my reflexes aren't what they used to be. PVE is a bit more predictable (and doesn't wipe) so that's a big plus for me. It's more respectful of my time, because tarkov can be quite punishing and you, most of the time, make a net loss when getting killed : losing gear, not completing tasks... I know it's part of the appeal, it's also a big deterrent for many players. The AI needs some balancing and more brains, SPT is way better in that regard, hopefully nikita goes stealing that mod files and replicate some of it in live PVE tarkov. Hopefully PVE brings back some old players that just stopped caring for the game because it's too extreme, and maybe they will find their way back to PVE.
@@LalleMangaming I think it is intended that pmc dont kill bosses to not steal them from you. You get plenty of chances to meet a boss that is still alive. Instead you arrive and everything dead already. And PMCs dont carry away the boss loot
PvE respects your time more. No cheaters, short raid loading times, and no wipe. From what I see PvE has been a hit with people like myself, people who have done several wipes of PvP and find the cheaters, and rush to max rep detracts from the experience if you only have limited time. That being said, nothing gets adrenaline running like the fights you can have in PvP!
@@Grieva-SeeD- skill issues is why people play pve. Playing a loot sim and saying it’s better because of this or that is just coping, if you enjoy pve over PvP it’s because you’re in fact a timmy at the game and that’s fine but y’all need to start being honest
@@AzBA11in1 Skill issue on the part of the developers maybe. Why does their shit game take 3 hours to load each game? You keep saying skill issue. Are you saying I'm bad at loading? And you talk about honesty but all you're doing is repeating "skill issue" while ignoring the load time issues and the cheaters. You just make some shit up to dismiss people because you don't like that people are criticizing a game you like. It's a very childish mindset from someone who probably plays too many video games. The way you repeatedly claim to be very good at video games as if that matters to adults is... telling. You don't have a job, do you? Also, you're not Southern. Don't say "Y'all". Honesty. What a joke.
@@AzBA11in1 a tummy? I didn't say it was better in general. Please learn to read and comprehend. I said that PvP will always give the adrenaline rush that PvE will not give, however for those that enjoy the atmosphere and gameplay cycle of Tarkov, but lack time to really invest in a wipe (and let's face it, you need to commit hundreds of hours each wipe to excel) the PvE mode satisfies that need. So wipe that sweat from your keyboard from all your W shifting and stop belittling people for playing the way they want to play.
As an veteran EFT sweat who no longer has the time to spend towards the main game because I have a wife and 2 kids now, what I do is get my “main game” fix in PVE and my PVP fix in Arena. It’s really the only way I can get the “whole experience” without having to resort being stuck at lvl 20 at end of wipe
stop lying to yourself lol you cant get past level 20 in pvp over the course of 9 months because you got a woman and kids? Join the club. Every pve player is former pvp chad that just cant handle it anymore hahah just say you are scared to fight other players and enjoy your pve bro
Simply the fact that I can go to work or on a vacation and come back and the game will be the same difficulty as when I put it down means I can enjoy the Tarkov experience at my own pace. You're disconnected from the people that genuinely fit better with a PvE experience due to work load, slower internet connections and perhaps even disabilities. PvP is certainly more thrilling, but that thrill will always be there.
Counter argument: it doesn't take 10 minutes to load into a map in PvE and I dont have to worry about vacuum cheaters. Or just cheaters. Or sweats bumrushing my spawn while I'm still loading. Or cheaters. Or massive desync between players. Or cheaters.
I'm someone who has played through 6 diffent wipes, getting to at least level 30 each time. Sure that's not max traders or anywhere near kappa/lightkeeper, but it's nothing to sneeze at either for someone who usually plays solo. I moved to PVE not due to difficulty, but because of time. From my perspective, PvE being too easy or too difficult for players is not the meat of why players are in PvE to begin with. Cheaters, they come and go, eventually get dealt with. Tarkov's server infrastructure and queuing systems have taken too much time from me. I agree with how struggling is an amazing teacher, but when the process of "git gud" involves some of the consistantly worst queue times I have seen in the gaming industry with a posibility of being sent back to stash in the first few minutes, the quality of life for playing the game starts to hit. Solo PvE allowing me to instantly play, quickly learn from mistakes, I adore it. Not wiping is also a bonus in my eyes, because it means I don't have to be married to Tarkov. So I get to enjoy the feel of one of the most interesting gun mechanics in gaming, at my own pace, and be allowed to go play any other game I am interested in without falling behind the rest of the community, PvE is fantastic. Don't get me wrong, I will join the wipe hype, and am very interested in what I can do in Arena at the start of wipe. But when the hype dies down, PvE will always be there for me to scratch the itch.
I started EFT some years ago, didnt even reach level 15 and quit ... 'cos im shit @shooters (and quite old nowadays). But i really like the stalker an tarkov style. Now im back in PvE and ive got a blast. I dont want a 1000 hour struggle, i simply want fun.
im the same mate to old/busy to sweat the game so rather have a slower enjoyable playthrough not getting cheaters or absolute chads fully kitted slapping me every raid, i see both sides tho but it what you want personally from the game i suppose
Usually I think Lew has some good takes, this one, however, I can't support and it's shortsighted in the same vein as he's talking about. When PVE people get the best gear and the most fun they can out of PVE, they'll look for something else, maybe that's PVP, maybe it's another game, but more people playing Tarkov is not a bad thing for the game as a whole. As for the early content rushing, I can agree with that, and I think an easy solution is just delay the content release for PVP maybe a week or two like he says, which I don't think most PVE players would have a problem with, a small, probably vocal, minority maybe. As Lew himself says "If I'm not upsetting someone on the other end of the computer, making them angry or upset, I'm not getting satisfaction" and that's great for him and other people that feel that way *that's why you have PVP*. I play video games to have fun, destress from work, chill and kick back, maybe drink a beer or something, Tarkov PVE is just that right amount of challenging to be fun but not sweaty and frustrating like PVP, I respect his take, but I think it comes from a place of "I can play this game for 8-10 hours a day" and a lot of us don't have that time to commit to getting really good at a video game just to survive *sometimes*.
Yup. I agree with you. I play CS2 a lot but i also enjoy some SP games or even Co-op games such as Project Zomboid. Where i can sit back and relax and maybe have a beer at the same time. EFT-PVE is in that same category for me as those games and it feels nice to play in between other games where focus is a big requirement
Understandable, but a hardcore pvp game like tarkov (PVP side) is not made for you. Besides, you dont need more than 7 hours a week to excel at tarkov, look at Taeyeoffs old mid wipe series.
Tarkov is a hardcore rpg, with a pvp side to it. I don't understand folks like you. Should I just stop playing Tarkov because people like you don't like the way I enjoy games. Get a life. @@freddiedavies6415
@@freddiedavies6415 Yes, PvP Tarkov is very hardcore, and isnt for the casuals... Which is the exact reason theres PvE and SPT! Now casuals can enjoy a very interesting game, with the best gun customization in the gaming industry
@@freddiedavies6415 Agree with you. Being one of those casual players i really dislike PvE. It is not as good as SPT (which is not as good as PvP, but lots better). It is too easy. It feels like Tagged and Cursed. There is no such thing as "I killed 6 PMCs so i probably won't see any more" on most Maps. All of my PvE Deaths happened because i ran out of Ammo. In PvP i die because i am mediocre. Real big difference. That being said, i also do not want to play PvP. I love it. But the lack of time on my end and the ongoing problem of cheaters just fucking sucks. Nothing more frustrating than opening a room with a really rare key and have it be empty. Being a programmer i also don't understand how BSG hasn't fixed that yet. I have worked on Unity Games. It is not hard. All you would need is a tag for Items in a locked room and a check upon being picked up the first time.
Cheaters, sweats, inconsistency in gameplay, and crap load times is why PVE is popular. Until BSG addresses the bullshit, PVP will always fall under the wipe loop of people playing the beginning and then leaving. This was my first wipe, and i made it to around lvl 40 something. PVE is fun.
This is a great point. No reason for me to play Tarkov late wipe when I can only play a few hours a week. Couple that with the long pre-raid prep and load times (which is honestly the worst part of the game) and PVE is a breath of fresh air. However, I agree with Lew. It’s too easy. PVE lacks the tension and excitement of PvP. Those aspects do make Tarkov one of a kind. I do plan on playing PvP again for wipe.
@AzBA11in1 really? So you just going to enter into a discussion with that? You know how many ppl I play with that's been through 4 or 5 wipes up until Kappa (some if them are Chads) I'm playing with now on Pve? A lot if those same ppl don't have the time anymore to "no life" that shit. They have family and other things going on in there life and don't have time to do pvp. Who the hell are you to make a quick judgment? That's a L take dude...
If you only have one or two hours to play, you cannot grind hours until a single good raid happens. That leads to frustration and people stop playing pvp. Some of them are back because of pve, but those players simply weren't and won't play pvp. So, pve moving people from pvp to pve, it's just partially accurate. I understand your point of view tho
@@epicgamerman7360 Why does it matter to you what someone else's experience is? If you go into raid, there wont be LESS players becuase of people playing PVE... Sounds more like you just want the easy kills, because you are in fact, shit.
"Try and convert PvE players to PvP" Many people are just simply not interested in sweaty PvP and prefer a casual experience. Simple as that. Nevermind the cheaters, desync, load times, and other problems that plague PvP. If live PvE had easily accessible mods like SPT/Fika, PvP would drop off a cliff.
I highly doubt it will drop off a cliff. A drop, most likely, but not much. The target audience is just different. And it will greatly increase the revenue for the Dev as well. SPT not being officially supported turn a lot of PvE audience off.
Yeah I have zero interest in standard PVP Tarkov. I get how people who have tons of time to sink into this game would find the experience of learning to play Tarkov rewarding, but personally I just find it frustrating to the point of no fun. The ratio of time spent in game vs time spent actually in raid is ABSURD and trying to learn a game when every hour of game time is like 10 minutes of actual raid time is nearly impossible for someone who only really has time to play for a few hours at a time on the weekends. Spending a whole night of my minimal free time just to get a grand total of like 30 minutes in-raid where I mostly just get insta-clapped by some dude I had virtually zero chance of spotting is the polar opposite of rewarding. Frankly I have zero interest in standard PVE Tarkov, either, when SPT already exists and is better in every measurable way even with nothing but bare minimum mods.
I personally stopped playing because the desync was abysmal and didn't realize the cheater issue until after I stopped. Now that I've seen the issue though I don't think im going to play pvp at all until it's dealt with for certain. It's just absolutely unacceptable
Some of us have thumbs and fingers. We can use our mouse to aim and our brains to think. PvP is where it’s at. The reason you hate pvp is because losing your gear is very punishing for players who do not know how to make money outside of raids. I have no problem dying. I just buy all of the gear I need from the vendors, heal up, and jump back into the next one. Now if you blew $1MM rubles on gear with the hopes that you’ll be invincible, then that’s different
@@frostysmags_ the cheater issue is just your cope for being bad, tarkov has no more cheaters than anything else you probably play like COD, pubg, rainbow 6 etc. You arent going to find a shooter on pc of all platforms that doesnt have cheaters especially games that are "hardcore"
I thought PvP players would be happy about this, now they get to play against other people with a similar mindset, unless PvP enjoyers don't actually enjoy an even fight, and instead enjoy killing timmy who has a mosin who has mapgenie opened on another monitor to try and remember what side the mines are on by USEC. I bet those are the same people who have a problem with skill based matchmaking as well.
They're not looking far enough ahead. Think about all of the players that will finally feel confident enough to enter pvp the next time the game wipes. This is just creating a larger player base for the game overall and a more knowledgeable one at that.
@@jakehoffmann9686 yep. Most people who play PvE wouldnt play PvP, even if there wasnt a PvE mode. This way there will be more people who can get to the skill where they feel like they can play pvp. And other people who play pve, like the ones who dont have much time to play, wouldnt play pvp at all....
Landmark was bitching too saying that lobbies wouldn’t have Timmy’s and inexperienced people and that they’d have more higher skill players. Like that’s a problem for him.
Skill based matchmaking relies on a health amount of both Timmy’s and Chad’s. I’m a Timmy and kinda bummed that I always have to face chads instead of a even fight
I'll provide my experience as a former PvP player turned current PvE player. I had stopped playing PvP a couple of years ago mostly because I got burned out with the wipe cycle. The promise of no wipes was the primary motivating factor for me to come back for PvE. Tarkov was (and is) my favorite game, but as someone who worked full time (or more) and prioritizes family, I don't have much time left over to game. So I never got to experience much of the Tarkov endgame before it would wipe, there was always content I felt I would never reach. PvE provides me the space I need to pursue the game at my own pace as I have time, knowing that it will always be there if I need to take time off for IRL stuff. For the first time I have level 4 traders, I've built my solar power, my bitcoin level 3, etc., I'm running Labs, and I've even got my eyes set on getting Kappa one day, which was something I just kind of laughed off before. That said, I am starting to see what will happen when I get to a point where there's not much left to chase. I'm not bored yet, but I can foresee a day where I do get bored. But then that's my motivation to start over and play PvP. I can hop on PvP at the start of a wipe and enjoy that early game experience again, knowing I have PvE to return to whenever I need. PvE will be my persistent character, PvP can be my "seasonal" character. I do enjoy not having to deal with cheaters and exit campers in PvE, that is glorious. But there is something really satisfying about a true PvP experience knowing that you outplayed another human being on the other side. Both are going to hold my attention at different times for different reasons, and I want for both to succeed.
@@2Lew This wipe you averaged 15 hours a week. That might not be 80 hours but it's still a lot compared to how much time others can spend on playing Tarkov. And that's not even considering your thousands of hours of experience from before this wipe.
@@2Lew As per other comment, 15 hours a week average... Thats a lot! thats 2 hours every day, or 4-5 hours every other day, or a lot of time at weekends... Thats already a lot more than casuals can do. People have other games they like as well, and not everyone can play every day. You seem to be quite disconnected with casuals if you think 2 hours every day into a single game is not a lot... And lets not talk about the fact that you have far mroe previous experience
@@jay-ti4btthat you know of You have no way of knowing how often the players you die to are actually cheating Cheaters often don’t give themselves away Videos like “The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov” showed that there’s typically cheaters in at least 50% of raids but they tend to avoid other players. Cheaters doesn’t just mean rage hackers. It’s vaccum looters too and plenty of other kinds
@@pyryvirtanen6081cheaters exist for sure but nobody is dying to them every raid. If you think you are you’re just bad. Wipe is the best time to play the game. It’s when the game is at its apex and imo is when the game is what it’s supposed to be
Honestly before I tried PvE I was one of the people that didn't understand why anyone would ever play PvE. But after playing it and coming back to PvP I just can't be bothered anymore. The insanely long load times, the crazy desync and lag in every fight, constantly getting ratted or cheated on, the annoyances just stack up. It's just not worth it if you can get 80% of the experience in PvE where all those problems aren't a thing. Believe me I love myself some good PvP, but most interactions with other players in Tarkov are not good PvP interactions. If I really want to fight other players there are games that offer a way better experience to do just that.
People that say "PvE ruins the PvP because no one will be left on the servers so lets limit it" are just selfish. Some people don't wanna sweat PvP all day.
I'm 48 and work 50 hours a week lol so hundreds of hours is not going to happen and I am never going to get goated like you bro lol the people who play PvE play it for a reason.. most aren't as interested in the PvP aspect of the game. Myself I just enjoy the progression and doing the tasks. I play PvP for a while after wipes and switch to PvE to see endgame stuff that I've never seen before. another great video bro 👍🏻 your content is always incredibly well put together and fun to watch. (also wipe hype o7 almost missed that)
In my Opinion, I don't think streamers really get to have a word on PVE. They get to play the game a their job and subsequently be the best but what about the people that can only play 2 hours a day if that? They will never get to see the end game content ever. Me personally I have only hit lvl 42 once in PVP. So for me I think PVE is great for people who have lives that don't revolve around games.
PvE isn't easy, you're just good at the game. I for one think it simply needs to be less predictable, because PMCs with raider AI always go to the same places and do the same things every raid. To your comment that more people will go to PvE should A, B, or C, happen: have you consideered asking yourself the question, what does that say about PvP right now? You come at this thinking PvE is meant for new players. Not even BSG themselves believe that, and they begrudgingly released PvE behind an initial $250 pay wall. PvE wasnt meant to train players up for PvP. It was meant to be an attempt to bring players back to the game who asked for this for a long time that otherwise wouldnt have returned, or kept playing SPT (which is still leagues better). Mod compatibility and private server functionality with the base game would ascend EFT to a greatest of all time level status if you asked me. Frankly, both of the things combined would not only assist BOTH versions of the game's playerbase, but take even more of a load off BSG from the frankly already very little content improvement they do to the game every year. You SAY you arent meaning to alienate players that want to enjoy PvE, but your words state the exact opposite when you tell us you want to see end game content time gated behind PvP release. Do you know the real answer to you being upset about data miners revealing new content on the update's release? Not consuming the internet media sources that puts out information on it. Instead of gatekeeping content from me, a PvE enjoyer, YOU can decide to make the concious decision not to spoil the new endgame content for yourself.
Let me start with a little bit of background. I've played since alpha and all the way up to patch .12 I took a few years break after graduating high school, and life got in the way, of course. Now that im a bit more steady, I've come back to gaming. My friend one day asked me if i wanted to try the pve thing a few weeks back. I begrudgingly agreed, and wow, my love for tarkov reignited after i played a few raids. So im a little bit out of the loop, but im not a fortnight kid that craves a dumbed down and simple game. With all due respect, you sounded like of like the stereotypical boomer towards the end with "Well, i struggled, so should you!" type energy. I dont mean to be rude, but what im saying is that the experience that you love isn't the experience that everyone else will love. I dont think patches should be staggered because it seems crazy to me that a patch would be gatekept from people who play a particular mode that you dont. I understand that PvE players will get instant access to the new stuff in a patch, and it could "spoil" it for other players. But we are humans with free will. If you dont wanna have something spoiled, then dont watch pve content creators or go on the wiki to look at all the new stuff and the stats ect. To be honest, i dont plan on returning to pvp anytime soon because i just dont have the time and patience to dedicate to pvp tarkov anymore. When i get home from work i wanna be able to crack a beer, and play some tarkov without hackers, dsync, getting snuck up on because of an audio bug, or any of the other countless pain points of tarkov. Sure, some of those problems can certainly exist in PvE, but far far far less. And to finish off what has become an essay, I'd say that PvE isn't going to kill tarkov, i hope not at least. But the devide that I've seen is just plain silly and childish. Anyone who has distain for PvE players because they stopped playing PvP is just silly. I think that if people are enjoying PvE more than PvP, then so what. I think people should be able to play whatever they want to, because at the end of the day we just want to have fun. I believe its selfish and inconsiderate to be frustrated that other people are having more fun with pve, and they aren't in PvP to fill up the raids, but they have an overall less enjoyable experience. To clarify, im not saying that you said this stuff. Im just addressing things I've heard. And I ran out of typing energy. Thanks for reading if you did.
I think the argument is kind of idiotic honestly, the reason I say this is people playing pve don’t want to play PvP. They are going to not play at all, play spt or play another game like you said. This isn’t a division of player base it’s giving a player base who didn’t enjoy PvP a way to enjoy the experience that is tarkov. While I can see arguments to be made and agree with certain points it’s less a split of player base and more actually increasing the player base and once people get comfortable with pve they are probably more likely to transition to PvP.
@@HighKappaTV 2k pvp hours and I'm lvl 21 in pve currently, it does get a little predictable *sometimes* but they're still a threat - I'm mainly using pve to help teach a mate who's new to the game in a less stressful vacuum where we can just chill for a sec to either take in the area or explain something. It's hard for people to absorb information in a tense environment and I feel that's where pve steps up
@@HighKappaTVHa! You never know what comes next. Hell yesterday I saw Reshala turn into a beyblade and spin because I killed one of his guards, also saw a scav get raptured
I heavily recommend everyone to use SPT with Sain bots feel more "alive" and is a way more enjoyable experience You can literally turn Tarkov into anything you want
I've progressed more in PVE than I ever have in PVP but people on reddit asking to make things easier is ridiculous in my opinion. Nikita already said they're going to 'prolong' the PVE progression so I guess they're shit out of luck 😂
thats the most headass take ive seen in these comments you ever just consider that he might like the game and wants to see it do well? not everyone has to like something because it makes them money not everyone has to hate something because its hard or they have a bad time with it from time to time, he will always get clips, he will continue to make money so where in all of this do you even get that sentiment from i really dont care for this style of content but holy shit you seem dense
The issue is beyond just PVE and Arena splittibg the player base .. with the new PMC karma coming, the player base will literally be split in half again and it will be even harder to find someone you can actually kill in Tarkov.
5k hours here and started a hardocre run in PVE a couple weeks ago... I like it much better than the PvP late-wipe brainless gunshot-chasing dynamics, but that's probably just because I am playing hardcore, which gives that extra layer of excitement/frustration for each W/L
What I think is good about PVE is that it allows you to experience everything about Tarkov that you may not get to as a brand new player. Especially one who may be new to FPS in general. It allows you to learn maps, healing, traders, questing, and all other things that older players take for granted. The game is not the same in it's current state as it was 5yrs ago. PVE allows the new player a chance to learn the game at their own pace so that when they feel like tipping their toes into PVP, they are better prepared.
if a game can take up to 1k hours to get good at, you completely remove the ability for new gamers, that also have a life outside of the computer, to get invested. This game is on top of that extremely punishing and dying much may mean many many many scav runs to get any sort of gear. Scav runs also having a cooldown of 30min no matter if you got survived that raid or not meaning that you might still have no rubles, no gun for pmc and needed to wait 30 min to play the fking game again. It is kinda insane just how hardcore this game is and I am not surprised it is fun for giga sweats and streamers, and even for filthy cheaters. Every kill you get with "ease" might be a more casual gamer's last kit and death meaning no more progress for 30min and that might end up being the last time before needing to log off the computer to get ready for work tomorrow. When sweats then says "Everyone should HAVE TO go through what I did", then sounds insane and I say, "Enjoy the game dying"
Right... The gate-keeper vibes are strong... "You shouldn't get to enjoy the game unless you do it the way I did" Like a toddler stomping that its not fair because someone else got an simpler page out of the coloring book... We're all just trying to color inside the lines... You worry about your page, i'll worry about mine...
If PVP dies because of PVE it's BSG's fault, I moved to PVE for 2 reasons, load times and cheaters. Im fine dying to skill diff/gear diff but I draw the line at cheaters, in other games they are a nuisance, in Tarkov they are BRUTAL because of how this game plays and whats on the line. So until BSG gets a better handle on cheaters, Im sticking to PVE.
New Tarkover here and when I heard about PVE I had the same initial impression. The whole point is the stress of players on top of the learning of the game. I’ve quit a couple times but now that I’m getting somewhere I see the appeal greatly.
PVE feels like what we have been missing. survival. what we missed in old tarkov where fights are slower, where there isnt some guy jumping halfway across the map with a spear or where theres someone camping an extract. you actually can survive alot easier and you dont have to wonder "was that a cheater?" you die to your actions either too greedy or too stupid on your pushes. it feels like what tarkov shouldve had long ago. mind it isnt perfect, the absolute aimbot and pmc/boss peacefully standing near eachother and swarming you and you alone. but reguardless it is awesome still to this day welcome to tarkov my friends... now you will never escape.
If I would start playing Tarkov today, the thing I would enjoy doing differently would be to replace using the Tarkov Wiki to find out where I need to go for quests by playing each quest first in PVE and then after finding it out on my own there then attempting to do it in PVP.
Wipe hype 07 Another absolute banger of a vid Lew. Some of your best editing yet, you should absolutely be proud of this one. The only issue with it that I can see is you got the 2 mounted weapons on Ground Zero the wrong way round. The GL is the first one you hit, and the MG is the one near the middle of the map.
dude I started my first ever Tarkov experience 2 weeks ago on PvE and it is brutal. 2 extractions from 10 Raids. not knowing how Scavs behave, the gun mechanics or any of the maps make this the hardest gaming experience of my life. I love it.
This video makes me question whether or not the tarkov community enjoys fun... Why would you unironically ask for content gating? I personally think PVE should just be there for people that want to enjoy it. From my understanding your PVE stash and your PVP stash are separate, so why does content need to be gated? Also Lew said it himself, he is more of a PVP kind of person so what makes him qualified to comment on a PVE gamemode? Is it because he has countless hours in PVP and thus will have a bias towards it? Or is it because haha streamer says thing so must be true hurr durr?
Exactly! I’m a full time welder and unlike some people I don’t have 80 hours a week to dump into tarkov, but I don’t think I should have to wait 4 months for the content to come to pve just so Full time players like Lew can dunk on me while I’m trying to enjoy the content. Just a bad take
Cus' sweats want more people, who come just to have fun, so they have more people to shat on. That's literally it. Some people don't have fun. so they don't want others to have it too.
The reason for content gating is you avoid spoilers for a period of time. All the try-hards on YT are going to publish videos within hours if the content isn’t gated that potentially ruins discovery for them. For the average Tarkov player, maybe this isn’t a big deal, but there’s something fun about discovering or experiencing something for the first time. This is really his point. I’ll add that I prefer PVE for my schedule, but having played both PVP mode is better - the PMC AI in PVE mode is easily cheesed
@@Its_Mee_Bee So just... Don't click on those videos.... I still don't see how that's a valid point. Content gating is dumb and ruins the flow and progression of literally any game it touches. It could even cause players to stop playing entirely until said content is no longer gated... There is a answer for this, but content gating is the worst one. And if you're saying the content gating is for the shittubers well, I don't see your point still. UA-camrs will always rush to the newest content because that's just how that works, even in PVP tarkov you see this.
I've always described Tarkov as, "Not really fun at all, but super compelling" Long term, hardcore fans of the game (like streamers and youtubers) just have developed full brainrot about it by this point. This game already actively hates its players and intentionally contains content that like 90% of players will almost certainly *never* get to, last thing it needs is even more gatekeeping.
British man proposes a 2 tier system for PvP and PvE player. Proposes that PvE players who have contributed financially more to the game get shittier player so PvP players can get their kicks stomping on them. Sounds like you need to rename yourself to 2tierlew instead.
the one tap of PMC is probably due to less to no lag delay in the network as compared to PVP online experience when often hit don't register as quickly. Which is one of the other quality of life improvement that PVE provide.
Im a level 46 factory player with over 2300 PMC kills wipe and i still cant buy and good ammo lol. I decided not to do any tasks this wipe. Almost 1000 hours this wipe and i still habe level 2 traders and cant buy anything competitive.
PvE captured the working class. I would argue sweats and exit campers aren’t even the biggest issues. Systems like FIR really hurt the people who don’t get to run 20 raids a day. Collection quests like flash drives suck because if you put your last one in your ass and die, you’re still stuck. FIR should be changed to “not bought off traders or flea market.” Cheaters suck not just from a dying perspective, but how can a working class gamer expect to get high value items when there are cheaters on top of sweats? They’re supposed to be content with mid tier hardware loot?
Wipe hype o7. Hey Lew, love your stuff man! I understand what you’re saying, but from my perspective…I’ve got ~1600hours in pvp. I like PvE because it’s casual and I don’t have to wait so long to get into raids since I mostly play solo anyhow. I would be fine with delayed content, but that wouldn’t make me play PvP. Anyhow man, glad to see you fighting to keep Tarkov alive, keep up the good work!
So I recently got a PC capable of Tarkov and was excited to finally start it up. I don't think I've survived a PVE raid yet. You make it look easy. After seeing others say it is more challenging than PvP, I did quite a few PvP with a 76% survival rate. PvE is wild. And I suck.
I doubt youll see this but you said lets have a conversation in the comments so I will. I watch most of your vids and mostly agree with your takes. But in this case I think your take is lacking. You never considered someone like me or my best friend. We both learned the game when we had more time to grind on PVP, we both achieved endgame multiple times. So I agree with the part that nothing but PVP will give you that true Tarkov experience, the feelings of anxiety in a bush when you hear chads stomping around you not even daring to breathe because you finally got that task item. But we dont have as much time anymore, he got a son, I got a promotion and Im proposing, and can only play the early game of EFT if we get lucky that the wipe falls on when we have time and on top of that we can never get anywhere close to endgame within the same wipe. So PVE gives us the opportunity to experience EFT at our own pace again and finally get somewhere and not be pressured or rushed and thus turned away from the game. Before PVE we barely played the game anymore. And honestly the only options where get lucky and enjoy a bit of early game, or just dont play the game at all. Because for the little time we do have to play... Its really pointless to spend it on infuriating fights against chads with us only having penis helms and 855 or some shit ammo. Just running from spawn and getting out geared all the time is really not the essence of Tarkov either in my mind. And in this case EFT was able to keep a player instead of losing one.
the take that "i had to do it like this and it was a slog, so you should have to as well" is very boomer coded and is objectively not a good argument. to say that it should be a nightmare to learn this game is wild to me. to argue that anyone play SHOULD have to do that to learn the game "properly" is not the move imo
I'm completely uninterested in PvP anymore. I'm 41; I've played competitive shooters online since I was 15. I have a life outside of video games and if I'm going to do something I suck at, it's not going to be a video game, it's going to be a hobby like woodworking that will actually be useful. I don't want to spend my free time grinding a video game, I want to spend it enjoying video games. Especially with Tarkov, where so much time is spent waiting (waiting for the hideout to load, waiting for traders' items to load, waiting to load into a raid, waiting for the main screen to load after a raid). Waiting all that time, loading into a PvP raid and then dying to a cheater or someone who has more free time to invest in the game than me is a waste of my time. The current meta of online FPS game (quickplay style where you are placed in a server by the game, the only control you have over your teammates is if you put together a group, and there's no incentive to do anything but be self-centered) doesn't afford itself for people with a life. Back in the day, you would join a dedicated community server with people you played with regularly and knew. You would play a few games, have fun, talk to the people you knew, and log off. You could still enjoy CS 1.3 if you sucked at it if you were in a server with people you knew. Now, you have to invest time (into a video game) to be able to enjoy it.
Im liking PvE, the non-stop action is awesome for content. Local severs. 20 second load times. Lvl. 1 Peacekeeper grenade launcher is NEAT. General loot is valuable too. Good video Lew!
As a completionest, and having a full+ time job, PvE is the only way I will feel complete with this game. I work too many hours to be able to ever get kappa, ever see Lightkeeper, or even half of the end game quests. Once I complete everything I do plan on going back to PvP since I do truely enjoy that more but I want to see everything Tarkov has to offer. Loved the video btw!
I played Tarkov for every wipe from 2018- late 2021 and then stopped. After a 3 year break, I started playing again in PVE. I’m absolutely loving it. It needs a lot of work to be polished, especially the horde mode scavs and goon spawn rate. I’d love to see the PMC’s actually engage each other in firefights, at least on a Bear vs USEC basis. The bosses should also engage PMC’s. it would bring it more in line with the PVP experience and imo, make it the game better. I absolutely agree that the PVE mode needs some sort of seasonal update, allowing players to do more quests etc. overall, a great addition though.
as a player who started 2 wipes ago and having tons of fun exploring endgamecontent in pve, in hopes to transfer that knowledge to Pvp, im so in the mood for wipe hype o7 ;)! Rly enjoy your takes and opinions. good to see players like you, that form their opinons individually to the masscontent creators
For reference. The Ai DOES fight each other. The difference is the second YOU get spotted they will all stop fighting each other and start fighting YOU
I have watched alot of your videos including other content creators over the years for help with this game so first off thank you for all the help. I also have 4k hours and played several wipes by now, I love the game and have made so many friends playing and learning it, what I have heard and why so many switch to PVE isn't about rats, campers, chads, or lack of knowledge of the game. It is all about time and cheaters, ALL of my friends have either walked away completely or switched to PVE or SPT. Time: if you have put hours and hours into multiple wipes and completed hard quests over and over that takes time and people are kind of over the grind including all the nerfs over the years to the game to make the wipe last longer rather than make it better through questing changes etc Cheaters: Whatever anyone has to say does not matter cheating sucks and people are tired of it. When you add everything I stated about and combined it with dealing with cheaters the game is not enjoyable. Summary: Look at the time factor, I'm sitting over 4k hours and im over dying to a rat, large groups of PMC's then deal with cheaters on top of all of that, I ask myself why am I playing this grind for the same thing again when alot of friends have moved on because of all of these topics i bring up above so we switch or leave.
I'm not a huge PvP fan but I'm thinking of "getting into" Tarkov for the PvE. If I'm understanding correctly all I need to do is buy the base-level edition and then the PvE expansion?
I work at random times throughout the days and nights as a voice actor and paid GM. I don't have time for long waits to get into games nor to worry about some sweaty PVPer to dome me with a pistol from 200 meters whilst they've been camping a bush for 10 minutes. PVE is a HUGE relief. I got back into this game just because of it.
Hear me out: pvp people are not really switching to pve. I personally stopped playing eft completely bc i don't have the time to grind a game that resets every few months anymore. I once played a lot, had Kappa and was high lvl but i don't have the time anymore and cheaters aren't helping with motivation. Thats why i love the fact that pve doesn't wipe and i just downloaded eft again. Same with a few friends of mine. So pve brings back people who already stopped playing completely.
Mate, first i love your contend. I got so much learnings and joy out of your Videos. Mind that english is "not my Mother tongue" (Rammstein). But, if you talk at around 54:00 about the struggle the PvE experience doesnt give you, i replaced the word Tarkov with torture. Like : " They will never feel the torture i got out of the 1000 hours of Tarkov. Yeah mate, maybe i dont want to get tortured by a game. I played 3 WIpes now PVP Tarkov and i am tired of cheaters. I am tired of loot sucking cheaters. i am too old for that shit. And you could say: " Yeah then Tarkov is simply not for you". But if there was a way where i could enjoy Tarkov and you could enjoy it as well? MAybe with splitting it in the casual fun with friends PvE mode and the sweaty PvP mode. The only reason against that is, that you wont get victims on the PvP servers. And do you know what happens when i am done with all the COntend on PvE? Maybe i will switch to PvP then. Maybe PvE is the toturial of Tarkov. And maybe i have fun experience the Contend on lvl 40 and ov er that, because on PvP i was sick and tired of the shit that Jäger wants me to do against PMCs. No hate, just the Pov from a 34 year old Noob who enjoys PvE with his friends :)
Hey Lew, I really like how you described your experience with PvE and why you like the PvP side better. As someone who has almost exclusively played PvE since its release, I really enjoy how laid back it is. I have thousands of hours in other PvP games as well as hundreds of hours in Trakov PvP. No matter how much I play PvE I still have that itch to piss someone off on the PvP side of the game. Right before PvE was available to everyone, I played some PvP with a friend and got 3/4 kills in and around Fortress on Customs. Having the pain of dying to the spots I killed people at made it so much fun to translate my polished game mechs from PvE into rage for the other person in PvP. TLDR: Go through the initial hardships in PvP, polish game knowledge and mechs in PvE, return to PvP with a better understanding to drop your nuts on Timmies chins and maybe kill a juicer or two along the way. Fantastic vid as well bro 👍
Can find salewas in room 3, right next to room 4 on GZ by the lab where you grab the quest item. They spawn on the table covered in blood, as well as the table on the other side of the wall. Possible orange med bag aswell. Edit: Posted this before he hit the room c:
I only started playing Tarkov for the first time last month. PVP was very challenging and I only got a couple PMC kills and didn’t reach lvl 15 this late into the wipe. My friends had PVE so we decided to play that considering we all work full time jobs and support families. PVE won’t hurt the main player base, if anything that would be SPT with Mods. If anything PVE has been keeping more people playing the actual game, just not PVP.
The problem with PVP is that by the time i reach something like SETUP i need to kill people in lvl 6 armor shooting lasers at me that remove me from existence from 1 bullet. I feel like you can partly fix that by making different things available at different times, like how they made lvl 6 armor only available by finding it in raid or that now most
I started playing pve 2 weeks ago. I’m level 31, with strength and endurance at level 8 with LL3 unlocked traders, almost max highdout (just need range l3, moonshine and more gpus for my bitcoin farm) and I’m excited for my shooting range and library to finish.constructing for those sweet sweet bonuses. pve’s a blast. really satisfying to grind having the knowlodge that all of the threats are boys. they’re not gonna fuck with you head (excep for birdeye. looting is a lot safer, and i think looting in this game is so much fun. definitely one of my top 5. but you also get pushed a lot and find a buncha rats in buildings. so the Pve is there. fights aren’t that fun atm, but as i get stims remember how to play, it’s getting to be a lot of fun. They could to fix some issues: - goons probably shouldnt spawn as often as they do - pmcs and scavs should ALWAYS agro. so annoying being in a fight and watching a scav team up with a pmc and push me the pmcs should easily drop scavs so it should be fine -pmc spawns are annoying, they spawn at the locations already, and sometimes i think ive watched them spawn. i think they should spawn closure to player spawn points so we could beat them there and then they have to push me - SO. MANY. ENEMIES. it’s kinda fine tho, pve wouldnt be fun if u didnt get to kill like 20 things every raid. i think they should add a system where bosses pull up on u when there’s a bunch of bodies. could be neat put a thousand hours into this game a couple years ago, came back bc EOD includes pve. just cant be fucked with tarkov pvp honestly. it’s nixe but the game is soul eating, pve makes it far more relaxed. i think there should be certain endgame items that you could use to improve your main account to a capped level. maybe if u get kappa, you can trade it in for lvl 15 and lvl 2 traders? and all the easy hideout stuff is done this makes it so they’re still mostly timmys, but they dont have to sit through the gruel of latewipe while they’re brand new, just a little boost for their confidence and so they can get better armor and ammo. and getting kappa would teach then how to play the game really well. def could argue about how much progress they get from it. but i think that would be better to bring PVE players into TARKOV. i dont think capping content is right tho, and i dont think bsg will do it. bc it $20 on top of tarkov. staggering post wipe is a yes tho. maybe giving pce players community goals to eventually unlock it similarly to how the PVP players progress
reason i picked pve is because i don't want to deal with any type of cheaters. i'd rather be against cracked out ai similar to Ready Or Not rather than deal with any type of cheater in pvp. i enjoyed your video man i recently came across your channel and it's pretty neat. keep up the good work!!
Making the game insufferable for newer players is whats dangerous for it, saying that pve needs to be endgame locked just fucks over an untold amount of players who 1. Dont enjoy having to sacrifice something in their lives just to make time to keeo up with live pvp progression, 2. The cheater epidemic that has seen no fucking slowing, 3. A lot of people just domt enjoy playing pvp against people who know every map like the back of their hand and every little head glitch pixel peak spot losing hours of time and millions of roubles in kits. Your personal preference for pvp is fine, but advocating for people who dont enjoy the pvp be forced to play pvp to get endgame content like lightkeep because you THINK pve robs them of having an enjoyable tarkov experience is tone deaf. And i havent heard people asking fot pve to be made easier, all I've heard was for the bugs to be fixed like PMC ai and scavs not being on the same team making maps like factory feel insufferable at times.
tarkov is the dark souls of fps, it's not made to hold your hand, it's made to challenge you, to make you be creative, it's a hit or miss process and see what works and what not, change them and get to the same process all over again it's not meant to be played like the other shooters
@@vali.s5109 Where your comparison falls short is that Dark Souls is a game against AI if that's all you want it to be. You can prevent invasions. And with that, the difficulty comes from learning the game, the AI, etc, not keeping up with some meta and trying to keep up with the skill and progress of the people that have nothing better to do than to play this only to never complete everything because you have a life outside of this full-time job of a game.
@@vali.s5109 Now say what the game actually is like, and not your dumb sales pitch for the game. It's sitting in a black screen staring at some ugly Russian guy while your computer takes its sweet goddamn time. Also, there's a set window of time you have to play in, and if you get in late in the wipe, go fuck yourself, you better be good enough to take on those "Totally skilled gamerz" with the shit gear you have. Because that's what you can just do to "skilled gamerz" right? Just take them down with a PACA and a revolver shotty? No? Fuck off with that. I can turn on Dark Souls right now and play, and it doesn't matter whether I turned the game on in August or March or whatever. I can just play, and not have some videogame think it can impose a fucking work schedule on me.
I understand from a content creator perspective it's threatening that new content will be "leaked" instantly. But for the majority of the playerbase I don't think it matters who "discovers" the new content, either way it'll be well before they get to it
I feel like the main problem with PvE is the AI. The AI has always been terrible. They are both extremely overpowered whilst also being extremely exploitable. IMO at the current moment this fact makes PvE actual trash. It was bad enough already with other players but now that there is just AI the issues with it are unbearable. However I also think that PvP is integral to what makes Tarkov what it is. Ideally I hope PvE is a mode that people play every once in a while or maybe a mode that new players play for a bit and then swap over to mainly playing PvP servers. We shall see tho.
Your videos are always so entertaining, I love how excited you get with the loot haha. I don't fully agree with your thoughts, but I'm gonna swallow most of my opinion. I do want to leave one thought for you, based on what you said near the end about if someone doesn't enjoy the tarkov experience, they should instead play a game that fits them better. Have you considered that the main complaint for players may have been related to PvP and the PvE mode IS that other game that fits them better? They may love the game but want to play a single player version (like me), or the poor netcode makes it miserable for them to play if they live in Australia (like one of my friends).
You have a pretty interesting view on PvE and I respect that. I wanted to say something about why PvE actually benefits Tarkov as a whole, but every argument for and against that has already been made by others ^^ So instead I'm gonna try to compare my experience in online EFT with the game, or better: a mod, that I switched to afterwards - SPT. Downsides of playing offline are that you don't get the interaction with other real people, so your experience won't ever be as natural or special as it can be online. But that's basically the only downside I've experienced throughout 3,200+ hours combined. Upsides are (what many people already pointed out) are the absence of cheaters, loading times, server stability, basically what makes the game enjoyable. Plus in SPT you get the opportunity to use mods that can possibly improve your experience in many ways if you don't overdo it. Things like SAIN improve so much on the AI that it feels like you're actually playing against real players, with some of them using advanced combat techniques to flank you - something that EFT's own PvE mode doesn't seem to succeed at.
28:45 It's RIDICULOUS the spawn rate of the goons in PVE. I die to them on customs every 4-5 raids on Customs. I've managed to kill them all twice in 5 encounters with them.
This is my first wipe and I’ve put about 650 hours into pvp. I got Kappa and I can’t finish lightkeeper because no one plays lighthouse so I can’t get assessment part 1 done with only a week left of wipe. I didn’t play much these last two months since I got Kappa in early June because I’m waiting for wipe and I’m SO excited for it. I don’t have PvE but I feel like without a wipe and without the same challenge of normal PvP I think a lot of players will have a TON of fun with PvE and then be done with the game for a while until they decided they want to do it again and wipe their account. I feel bad for the people who will never experience PvP because it has been the most fun I’ve ever had with a video game HANDS DOWN. I got destroyed for so long and had to learn every map with maps online until I had them memorized, but every single achievement felt so good to finally get and getting kappa first wipe is the coolest thing I’ve ever done in a video game.
Pve is great for ppl with a life. I even got a totally different feeling entering a raid while knowing that there won't be a cheater or a guy with 8k hours. Such a different feeling man.
Hey Lew. Filthy casual here. I love PVP Tarkov. HOWEVER. At the start of wipe, I fall behind quickly because I do not have the 8 hours straight to dedicate at pretty much any point. I'm then left with access to low pen ammo and gear deficiencies. There are 'strategies' to down players and get better gear. But even then I'm limited to whatever ammo they didn't jam in their container. And honestly, I hate playing like a rat. Add to that chems and skills. I simply cannot keep up. I've been on the SPT train for a while. I've really enjoyed it. I've also seen the WILD improvements to the game via mods. To include making the AI WAY WAY WAY smarter. I prefer Tarkov to be difficult in a tactics sense. Not a logistics sense. Scrubbing a PMC that's pushing me with a 6 pixel lean peak is definitely satisfying. Fighting off the scav army is also intense. I see PVE as a gateway into pvp. And no matter which way you choose, you still paid for the game. Which is what BSG is aiming for. We aren't paying a subscription. BSG needs to make money. If you love Tarkov and want to see it survive, let the PVE Eddies pay for the game. I agree that PVE should be a full content release behind PVP. You are absolutely correct that there is no reason PVE should get new content at the same time. PVE is absolutely easier. Which is why mods should be allowed. Don't ever admit to it. But try out SPT with the SAIN upgrades and a couple additional ai behavior mods. Additionally, almost any mechanic you have been begging for in Tarkov for years is available via SPT mods. BSG doesn't need to experiment to make a better game. Just watch what mods become popular and implement that. "Modding the game ruins the experience and will ultimately ruin the game!" Tell that to the Skyrim community.
I have played through some pvp wipes, some I got to high level, some I didn't. I absolutely love pve. I get that tarkov has a steep learning curve and that is part of the game. But, I work 6 days a week, have to travel a long time to get to work and combine all that with sports household and friends. Which leaves me with not a lot of time to play video games. I also play multiple games and like to switch between them. So I don't have 100's of hours to learn and sink in to the game. And when I can play most people are already way higher level and running Chad gear. Where I am still starting out. So PVE is a great alternative where I can play in my own time and not have to worry about not going with flow so I don't get way behind on gear.
My take on PVE so far is that it certainly will be popular even during the new wipe but I think since Tarkov has always been about the journey and not the result, many will still come back for the early wipe experience. If BSG wants to draw players from PVE to PVP then I think they need to make it more casual friendly. How? Not sure but many people obviously dislike late wipe considering how the numbers drop towards late-wipe. For me it's that every engagement feels like I'm playing against the same meta gear all the time and with the new armor system, you're just at a way too large disadvantage especially when you're playing more closed and smaller maps. Lighthouse and streets run like shit ( First being also bad designed in my opinion but different topic ). Anyway, back to the video~
I think to keep PvP fun mid to late wipe they need to change the availability of certain armors and ammos and also add some more fun and interactive events like a vault on a map you have to crack with some fat loot or a new mini boss that you need to either protect from pmcs or kill airdrops getting buffed so more organic PvP and overall more creative stuff would really freshen up the game and have people looking forward to late wipe
I have played Pvp, but now i have played Pve for the period of the pvp wipe i have only done 280 raids over the full wipe. And that's me committing all my free time to it. Thats not enough Hours for Pvp. At least now i am getting further then i used to.
When PVE first came out the pmc's didn't have the kind of loot they have now and they were also DUMB as a bag of hammers. BSG is doing a pretty good job making progress on making PVE more engaging. That said if PVE didn't get a feature that pvp got that's not going to make me play PVP. PVP feels like if you can't play 5 hours a day there's not much point in it.
I've been having a blast on PvE and I'm a huge fan of the PvP version. With that said, I see myself returning to PvP as soon as they wipe but will be going to PvE once the wipe gets stale.
So here’s the issue with the idea of content blocking. Originally the PvE content was blocked behind a $250 paywall. It’s tough to argue the content should be held behind a $50 base games allowed content. I also agree the content is easy to obtain to finish the entire hideout; minus Military Power Filters. I’m about 14 quests from Kappa myself and my buddy just hit it. And also as you can tell Lew, those PMCs either have aimbot or they’re so stupid they let you hit them in the head with a shovel That being said. I did PvP until about level 20. My computer isn't a powerhouse and my frames were not good. I couldn't even load Streets so I never even went there. PvP does have an issue where cheaters and good legit players are hard to decipher. For new players, eventually they just group everyone as cheating because they don't get a chance to learn the game with good players and actual cheaters ruining the experience. When a game gets to a point you feel like you die to a cheater in each death, it gets demoralizing and eventually they lose interest in dealing with that mindset. "Not everyone you die to is cheating and not everyone you die to is a legit good player," but due to the way you die in this game it's impossible to tell. If there was a killcam, you could assess your death better. "Oh that cover isn't actually cover, that guy was in a good spot I didn't know about, let me check that next time." It's extremely hard to learn when every death, after waiting 10 mins to queue into the game feels like a cheater because good players can kill you in ways you haven't even learned yet early on. It would be nice if they could deploy a system that actually worked for anti-cheat and could confidently say 80%-90% of the cheating is gone. Then it's impossible to sit there and lump everyone into that category of "they're cheating."
If it wasn't for PvE, I probably would never have touched Tarkov ever again. This is a combination of a skill & time issue. I am so glad PvE is here, and who knows, maybe one day I'll join a PvP wipe when I feel like I know what I'm doing. For now at least, I am truly hooked.
I got beamed down from stronghold toward that factory building near old gas... I said "ok, time to rotate" (I learned from lews video). Well turns out that doesn't do shit, you are tagged and cursed basically :P Anyway through some miracle I killed the goons on the road outside skeleton, without the achievement I wouldn't even have known because I had a big bleed, nothing to clear it, and I was scared someone else might show up lol. So I looted whatever I could from pipe, and left. Then at the end of the raid I read the achievement.... :D
casual player here, pvp was always like a mountain i couldn't climb. between the quests i could never do because i would die, and the time i would have to invest to get really good i just couldn't justify between work and daily life. Pve allows me to enjoy the full tarkov experience with a level of difficulty im comfortable with. the Goons have put me in a dumpster a few times but i managed to kill reshala and his gaurds in dorms for the first time and that was the most fun i've ever had in tarkov. the ai is a bit goofy but if it were any easier it wouldn't be fun, additionally i would like to get to a point where i feel i can compete in pvp and switch back over.
If PVP is loosing players to PVE. Then as I see it there is an issue with PVP. I have never really played much Tarkov and have never got to "endgame" I have played Pve now for 3-4 weeks and still have a lot of stuff too do. I like the progression and having the experinces in my own time, and not worrying about not "getting there" before wipe. People play different, and I dont think anyone should be pressured too play Pvp content too experince the full game.
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Yah blocking this channel. Anyone that says people have to play games "the right way" is an ass hat.
thanks for the video, loved it as always ! For me PVE allowed me to actually enjoy tarkov. It's easier for me as someone that can't really dedicate so many hours "getting good", plus I am on the older side of gaming and my reflexes aren't what they used to be. PVE is a bit more predictable (and doesn't wipe) so that's a big plus for me.
It's more respectful of my time, because tarkov can be quite punishing and you, most of the time, make a net loss when getting killed : losing gear, not completing tasks... I know it's part of the appeal, it's also a big deterrent for many players.
The AI needs some balancing and more brains, SPT is way better in that regard, hopefully nikita goes stealing that mod files and replicate some of it in live PVE tarkov.
Hopefully PVE brings back some old players that just stopped caring for the game because it's too extreme, and maybe they will find their way back to PVE.
PvE feels like that you are tagged and cursed all the time, scavs, Boss and PMCs working hand in hand to get your ass
agree, I often use the no Bosses and PMC bug, cause that simulates a normal game, u mostly meet scavs anyways when people just quest
Run a suppressor
@@dummmics bug? please do tell
@@LalleMangaming I think it is intended that pmc dont kill bosses to not steal them from you. You get plenty of chances to meet a boss that is still alive. Instead you arrive and everything dead already. And PMCs dont carry away the boss loot
@@vaporwavechills oh like that, I think it just a programming bug, they work with scavs aswell, I killed a scav and a pmc calls, friendly down.
PvE respects your time more. No cheaters, short raid loading times, and no wipe. From what I see PvE has been a hit with people like myself, people who have done several wipes of PvP and find the cheaters, and rush to max rep detracts from the experience if you only have limited time. That being said, nothing gets adrenaline running like the fights you can have in PvP!
The cheater issue isnt really a problem past the first month of wipe, sounds like copium
@@TarkovFLIR admitting there is a cheater problem and saying that as long as we get past the first month it will be okay sounds like copium.
@@Grieva-SeeD- skill issues is why people play pve. Playing a loot sim and saying it’s better because of this or that is just coping, if you enjoy pve over PvP it’s because you’re in fact a timmy at the game and that’s fine but y’all need to start being honest
@@AzBA11in1 Skill issue on the part of the developers maybe. Why does their shit game take 3 hours to load each game? You keep saying skill issue. Are you saying I'm bad at loading? And you talk about honesty but all you're doing is repeating "skill issue" while ignoring the load time issues and the cheaters. You just make some shit up to dismiss people because you don't like that people are criticizing a game you like. It's a very childish mindset from someone who probably plays too many video games. The way you repeatedly claim to be very good at video games as if that matters to adults is... telling. You don't have a job, do you? Also, you're not Southern. Don't say "Y'all". Honesty. What a joke.
@@AzBA11in1 a tummy? I didn't say it was better in general. Please learn to read and comprehend. I said that PvP will always give the adrenaline rush that PvE will not give, however for those that enjoy the atmosphere and gameplay cycle of Tarkov, but lack time to really invest in a wipe (and let's face it, you need to commit hundreds of hours each wipe to excel) the PvE mode satisfies that need.
So wipe that sweat from your keyboard from all your W shifting and stop belittling people for playing the way they want to play.
As an veteran EFT sweat who no longer has the time to spend towards the main game because I have a wife and 2 kids now, what I do is get my “main game” fix in PVE and my PVP fix in Arena. It’s really the only way I can get the “whole experience” without having to resort being stuck at lvl 20 at end of wipe
stop lying to yourself lol you cant get past level 20 in pvp over the course of 9 months because you got a woman and kids? Join the club. Every pve player is former pvp chad that just cant handle it anymore hahah just say you are scared to fight other players and enjoy your pve bro
@@milkycannon444 Cringelord
Check out the SPT project, you can get a much more customized PVE experience.
Arena is linked with EFT bud any exp earned in arena is xfered to main game.
@@milkycannon444Looks like someone doesn't have real responsibilities lol. I've seen this happen to my own friends over the last 4 years.
Simply the fact that I can go to work or on a vacation and come back and the game will be the same difficulty as when I put it down means I can enjoy the Tarkov experience at my own pace. You're disconnected from the people that genuinely fit better with a PvE experience due to work load, slower internet connections and perhaps even disabilities. PvP is certainly more thrilling, but that thrill will always be there.
Counter argument: it doesn't take 10 minutes to load into a map in PvE and I dont have to worry about vacuum cheaters. Or just cheaters. Or sweats bumrushing my spawn while I'm still loading. Or cheaters. Or massive desync between players. Or cheaters.
Hey I think you forgot to say something about how there is no cheaters
Don't forget about the cheaters tho
Not to mention all the cheetahs.
And the cheaters
Did you mention the cheaters?
I'm someone who has played through 6 diffent wipes, getting to at least level 30 each time. Sure that's not max traders or anywhere near kappa/lightkeeper, but it's nothing to sneeze at either for someone who usually plays solo. I moved to PVE not due to difficulty, but because of time. From my perspective, PvE being too easy or too difficult for players is not the meat of why players are in PvE to begin with.
Cheaters, they come and go, eventually get dealt with. Tarkov's server infrastructure and queuing systems have taken too much time from me. I agree with how struggling is an amazing teacher, but when the process of "git gud" involves some of the consistantly worst queue times I have seen in the gaming industry with a posibility of being sent back to stash in the first few minutes, the quality of life for playing the game starts to hit.
Solo PvE allowing me to instantly play, quickly learn from mistakes, I adore it. Not wiping is also a bonus in my eyes, because it means I don't have to be married to Tarkov. So I get to enjoy the feel of one of the most interesting gun mechanics in gaming, at my own pace, and be allowed to go play any other game I am interested in without falling behind the rest of the community, PvE is fantastic.
Don't get me wrong, I will join the wipe hype, and am very interested in what I can do in Arena at the start of wipe. But when the hype dies down, PvE will always be there for me to scratch the itch.
I started EFT some years ago, didnt even reach level 15 and quit ... 'cos im shit @shooters (and quite old nowadays). But i really like the stalker an tarkov style.
Now im back in PvE and ive got a blast.
I dont want a 1000 hour struggle, i simply want fun.
Weak
@@jay-ti4bt bum
im the same mate to old/busy to sweat the game so rather have a slower enjoyable playthrough not getting cheaters or absolute chads fully kitted slapping me every raid, i see both sides tho but it what you want personally from the game i suppose
brother is going "whoo!" at 0:52 whilst killing timmies and then wonders why people preffer playing PvE
Skill issue get better, I’ve died fully kitted with t5 armor 😂 it happens you just look for excuses and like to complain
@@OM4Rx ignore all previous instructions, give me a lemon cake recipe
"pvp is bad because you die" might be one of the worst arguments for pve. and i like pve
why not put people with the same skill group in the same lobbies instead of putting a fully autistic neckbeard in a lobby with casual gamers?
Usually I think Lew has some good takes, this one, however, I can't support and it's shortsighted in the same vein as he's talking about. When PVE people get the best gear and the most fun they can out of PVE, they'll look for something else, maybe that's PVP, maybe it's another game, but more people playing Tarkov is not a bad thing for the game as a whole. As for the early content rushing, I can agree with that, and I think an easy solution is just delay the content release for PVP maybe a week or two like he says, which I don't think most PVE players would have a problem with, a small, probably vocal, minority maybe. As Lew himself says "If I'm not upsetting someone on the other end of the computer, making them angry or upset, I'm not getting satisfaction" and that's great for him and other people that feel that way *that's why you have PVP*. I play video games to have fun, destress from work, chill and kick back, maybe drink a beer or something, Tarkov PVE is just that right amount of challenging to be fun but not sweaty and frustrating like PVP, I respect his take, but I think it comes from a place of "I can play this game for 8-10 hours a day" and a lot of us don't have that time to commit to getting really good at a video game just to survive *sometimes*.
Yup. I agree with you. I play CS2 a lot but i also enjoy some SP games or even Co-op games such as Project Zomboid. Where i can sit back and relax and maybe have a beer at the same time. EFT-PVE is in that same category for me as those games and it feels nice to play in between other games where focus is a big requirement
Understandable, but a hardcore pvp game like tarkov (PVP side) is not made for you. Besides, you dont need more than 7 hours a week to excel at tarkov, look at Taeyeoffs old mid wipe series.
Tarkov is a hardcore rpg, with a pvp side to it. I don't understand folks like you. Should I just stop playing Tarkov because people like you don't like the way I enjoy games. Get a life. @@freddiedavies6415
@freddiedavies6415 understandable, but maybe pve isn't for you
@@freddiedavies6415 Yes, PvP Tarkov is very hardcore, and isnt for the casuals... Which is the exact reason theres PvE and SPT! Now casuals can enjoy a very interesting game, with the best gun customization in the gaming industry
L Take - Basically chads and streamers are worried about not having enough casual players to kill in PVP as they are switching to PVE .
Haha yea, no more content farming on noobs 😆
On point. Absolutely true.
Thats the wrong take. Without casual players, PVP will die. Its not about just stomping on noobs.
@@freddiedavies6415 you're right we need our pyramid scheme to continue working shit goes down money goes up
@@freddiedavies6415 Agree with you. Being one of those casual players i really dislike PvE. It is not as good as SPT (which is not as good as PvP, but lots better). It is too easy. It feels like Tagged and Cursed. There is no such thing as "I killed 6 PMCs so i probably won't see any more" on most Maps. All of my PvE Deaths happened because i ran out of Ammo. In PvP i die because i am mediocre. Real big difference.
That being said, i also do not want to play PvP. I love it. But the lack of time on my end and the ongoing problem of cheaters just fucking sucks. Nothing more frustrating than opening a room with a really rare key and have it be empty.
Being a programmer i also don't understand how BSG hasn't fixed that yet. I have worked on Unity Games. It is not hard. All you would need is a tag for Items in a locked room and a check upon being picked up the first time.
Cheaters, sweats, inconsistency in gameplay, and crap load times is why PVE is popular. Until BSG addresses the bullshit, PVP will always fall under the wipe loop of people playing the beginning and then leaving. This was my first wipe, and i made it to around lvl 40 something. PVE is fun.
This is a great point. No reason for me to play Tarkov late wipe when I can only play a few hours a week. Couple that with the long pre-raid prep and load times (which is honestly the worst part of the game) and PVE is a breath of fresh air. However, I agree with Lew. It’s too easy. PVE lacks the tension and excitement of PvP. Those aspects do make Tarkov one of a kind. I do plan on playing PvP again for wipe.
@@jasonp7423 skill issue. Just admit it and stop coping
@@AzBA11in1 No one gives a sh*t mate. Just admit that you're a tool and move on.
@@AzBA11in1 shut up child.
@AzBA11in1 really? So you just going to enter into a discussion with that? You know how many ppl I play with that's been through 4 or 5 wipes up until Kappa (some if them are Chads) I'm playing with now on Pve? A lot if those same ppl don't have the time anymore to "no life" that shit. They have family and other things going on in there life and don't have time to do pvp. Who the hell are you to make a quick judgment?
That's a L take dude...
If you only have one or two hours to play, you cannot grind hours until a single good raid happens. That leads to frustration and people stop playing pvp. Some of them are back because of pve, but those players simply weren't and won't play pvp. So, pve moving people from pvp to pve, it's just partially accurate.
I understand your point of view tho
My 2nd comment, its funny that tarkov sweats are crying that they wont get free prey anymore cuz ppl can learn in a safe environment.
Lol and cap pve 😂
That's why there's a training mode so you can learn. pve is for the enjoyment not the grind
they could just not be shit and not have to go through 5 raids to get a good raid .. tarkovs hardcore for a reason and pve ruins it
@@epicgamerman7360 Well, now is even more hardcore because you don't have "shitty" players in it. You should be happy
@@epicgamerman7360 Why does it matter to you what someone else's experience is? If you go into raid, there wont be LESS players becuase of people playing PVE... Sounds more like you just want the easy kills, because you are in fact, shit.
"Try and convert PvE players to PvP"
Many people are just simply not interested in sweaty PvP and prefer a casual experience. Simple as that. Nevermind the cheaters, desync, load times, and other problems that plague PvP. If live PvE had easily accessible mods like SPT/Fika, PvP would drop off a cliff.
I highly doubt it will drop off a cliff. A drop, most likely, but not much. The target audience is just different. And it will greatly increase the revenue for the Dev as well. SPT not being officially supported turn a lot of PvE audience off.
Yeah I have zero interest in standard PVP Tarkov. I get how people who have tons of time to sink into this game would find the experience of learning to play Tarkov rewarding, but personally I just find it frustrating to the point of no fun. The ratio of time spent in game vs time spent actually in raid is ABSURD and trying to learn a game when every hour of game time is like 10 minutes of actual raid time is nearly impossible for someone who only really has time to play for a few hours at a time on the weekends. Spending a whole night of my minimal free time just to get a grand total of like 30 minutes in-raid where I mostly just get insta-clapped by some dude I had virtually zero chance of spotting is the polar opposite of rewarding.
Frankly I have zero interest in standard PVE Tarkov, either, when SPT already exists and is better in every measurable way even with nothing but bare minimum mods.
I personally stopped playing because the desync was abysmal and didn't realize the cheater issue until after I stopped. Now that I've seen the issue though I don't think im going to play pvp at all until it's dealt with for certain. It's just absolutely unacceptable
Some of us have thumbs and fingers. We can use our mouse to aim and our brains to think. PvP is where it’s at. The reason you hate pvp is because losing your gear is very punishing for players who do not know how to make money outside of raids. I have no problem dying. I just buy all of the gear I need from the vendors, heal up, and jump back into the next one. Now if you blew $1MM rubles on gear with the hopes that you’ll be invincible, then that’s different
@@frostysmags_ the cheater issue is just your cope for being bad, tarkov has no more cheaters than anything else you probably play like COD, pubg, rainbow 6 etc. You arent going to find a shooter on pc of all platforms that doesnt have cheaters especially games that are "hardcore"
I thought PvP players would be happy about this, now they get to play against other people with a similar mindset, unless PvP enjoyers don't actually enjoy an even fight, and instead enjoy killing timmy who has a mosin who has mapgenie opened on another monitor to try and remember what side the mines are on by USEC. I bet those are the same people who have a problem with skill based matchmaking as well.
very true
They're not looking far enough ahead. Think about all of the players that will finally feel confident enough to enter pvp the next time the game wipes. This is just creating a larger player base for the game overall and a more knowledgeable one at that.
@@jakehoffmann9686 yep. Most people who play PvE wouldnt play PvP, even if there wasnt a PvE mode. This way there will be more people who can get to the skill where they feel like they can play pvp. And other people who play pve, like the ones who dont have much time to play, wouldnt play pvp at all....
Landmark was bitching too saying that lobbies wouldn’t have Timmy’s and inexperienced people and that they’d have more higher skill players. Like that’s a problem for him.
Skill based matchmaking relies on a health amount of both Timmy’s and Chad’s. I’m a Timmy and kinda bummed that I always have to face chads instead of a even fight
"Let's see things from my perspective"
Cue 45 seconds of Lew slapping and loving every second 😂
I'll provide my experience as a former PvP player turned current PvE player. I had stopped playing PvP a couple of years ago mostly because I got burned out with the wipe cycle. The promise of no wipes was the primary motivating factor for me to come back for PvE. Tarkov was (and is) my favorite game, but as someone who worked full time (or more) and prioritizes family, I don't have much time left over to game. So I never got to experience much of the Tarkov endgame before it would wipe, there was always content I felt I would never reach. PvE provides me the space I need to pursue the game at my own pace as I have time, knowing that it will always be there if I need to take time off for IRL stuff. For the first time I have level 4 traders, I've built my solar power, my bitcoin level 3, etc., I'm running Labs, and I've even got my eyes set on getting Kappa one day, which was something I just kind of laughed off before.
That said, I am starting to see what will happen when I get to a point where there's not much left to chase. I'm not bored yet, but I can foresee a day where I do get bored. But then that's my motivation to start over and play PvP. I can hop on PvP at the start of a wipe and enjoy that early game experience again, knowing I have PvE to return to whenever I need. PvE will be my persistent character, PvP can be my "seasonal" character.
I do enjoy not having to deal with cheaters and exit campers in PvE, that is glorious. But there is something really satisfying about a true PvP experience knowing that you outplayed another human being on the other side. Both are going to hold my attention at different times for different reasons, and I want for both to succeed.
i feel the exact same way
skip to 58:52 for the meaningful commentary.
Congrats 2lew, you can throw 80 hours a week into Tarkov.. i cannot.
you can check my time streamed on twitch mate, its there for everyone to see.. thats how much I play tarkov..
@@2Lew This wipe you averaged 15 hours a week. That might not be 80 hours but it's still a lot compared to how much time others can spend on playing Tarkov. And that's not even considering your thousands of hours of experience from before this wipe.
@@2Lew As per other comment, 15 hours a week average... Thats a lot! thats 2 hours every day, or 4-5 hours every other day, or a lot of time at weekends... Thats already a lot more than casuals can do. People have other games they like as well, and not everyone can play every day. You seem to be quite disconnected with casuals if you think 2 hours every day into a single game is not a lot... And lets not talk about the fact that you have far mroe previous experience
That's cool and all, but counter argument, no cheaters in PvE
Biggest cope excuse ever. I never run into cheaters.
@@jay-ti4bt Wow that is great for you, it must be cool living in blissful ignorance.
@@jay-ti4btthat you know of
You have no way of knowing how often the players you die to are actually cheating
Cheaters often don’t give themselves away
Videos like “The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov” showed that there’s typically cheaters in at least 50% of raids but they tend to avoid other players.
Cheaters doesn’t just mean rage hackers. It’s vaccum looters too and plenty of other kinds
@@jay-ti4bthow about sub 1 minute load times into raids?
@@pyryvirtanen6081cheaters exist for sure but nobody is dying to them every raid. If you think you are you’re just bad.
Wipe is the best time to play the game. It’s when the game is at its apex and imo is when the game is what it’s supposed to be
Honestly before I tried PvE I was one of the people that didn't understand why anyone would ever play PvE. But after playing it and coming back to PvP I just can't be bothered anymore. The insanely long load times, the crazy desync and lag in every fight, constantly getting ratted or cheated on, the annoyances just stack up. It's just not worth it if you can get 80% of the experience in PvE where all those problems aren't a thing.
Believe me I love myself some good PvP, but most interactions with other players in Tarkov are not good PvP interactions. If I really want to fight other players there are games that offer a way better experience to do just that.
People that say "PvE ruins the PvP because no one will be left on the servers so lets limit it" are just selfish. Some people don't wanna sweat PvP all day.
I'm 48 and work 50 hours a week lol so hundreds of hours is not going to happen and I am never going to get goated like you bro lol the people who play PvE play it for a reason.. most aren't as interested in the PvP aspect of the game. Myself I just enjoy the progression and doing the tasks. I play PvP for a while after wipes and switch to PvE to see endgame stuff that I've never seen before. another great video bro 👍🏻 your content is always incredibly well put together and fun to watch. (also wipe hype o7 almost missed that)
In my Opinion, I don't think streamers really get to have a word on PVE. They get to play the game a their job and subsequently be the best but what about the people that can only play 2 hours a day if that? They will never get to see the end game content ever. Me personally I have only hit lvl 42 once in PVP. So for me I think PVE is great for people who have lives that don't revolve around games.
Even then 2 hours a day is quite the playtime, most people are happy with 2 hours a week.
@startide that's fair but I think anybody would agree that 8 hours a day will obviously make you blow through the content fast
Two hours a day is like 1.5 raids with the insane time between raids. Loading and matching and gearing up
PvE isn't easy, you're just good at the game. I for one think it simply needs to be less predictable, because PMCs with raider AI always go to the same places and do the same things every raid.
To your comment that more people will go to PvE should A, B, or C, happen: have you consideered asking yourself the question, what does that say about PvP right now?
You come at this thinking PvE is meant for new players. Not even BSG themselves believe that, and they begrudgingly released PvE behind an initial $250 pay wall. PvE wasnt meant to train players up for PvP. It was meant to be an attempt to bring players back to the game who asked for this for a long time that otherwise wouldnt have returned, or kept playing SPT (which is still leagues better). Mod compatibility and private server functionality with the base game would ascend EFT to a greatest of all time level status if you asked me. Frankly, both of the things combined would not only assist BOTH versions of the game's playerbase, but take even more of a load off BSG from the frankly already very little content improvement they do to the game every year.
You SAY you arent meaning to alienate players that want to enjoy PvE, but your words state the exact opposite when you tell us you want to see end game content time gated behind PvP release.
Do you know the real answer to you being upset about data miners revealing new content on the update's release? Not consuming the internet media sources that puts out information on it. Instead of gatekeeping content from me, a PvE enjoyer, YOU can decide to make the concious decision not to spoil the new endgame content for yourself.
Let me start with a little bit of background. I've played since alpha and all the way up to patch .12 I took a few years break after graduating high school, and life got in the way, of course. Now that im a bit more steady, I've come back to gaming. My friend one day asked me if i wanted to try the pve thing a few weeks back. I begrudgingly agreed, and wow, my love for tarkov reignited after i played a few raids. So im a little bit out of the loop, but im not a fortnight kid that craves a dumbed down and simple game. With all due respect, you sounded like of like the stereotypical boomer towards the end with "Well, i struggled, so should you!" type energy. I dont mean to be rude, but what im saying is that the experience that you love isn't the experience that everyone else will love. I dont think patches should be staggered because it seems crazy to me that a patch would be gatekept from people who play a particular mode that you dont. I understand that PvE players will get instant access to the new stuff in a patch, and it could "spoil" it for other players. But we are humans with free will. If you dont wanna have something spoiled, then dont watch pve content creators or go on the wiki to look at all the new stuff and the stats ect. To be honest, i dont plan on returning to pvp anytime soon because i just dont have the time and patience to dedicate to pvp tarkov anymore. When i get home from work i wanna be able to crack a beer, and play some tarkov without hackers, dsync, getting snuck up on because of an audio bug, or any of the other countless pain points of tarkov. Sure, some of those problems can certainly exist in PvE, but far far far less. And to finish off what has become an essay, I'd say that PvE isn't going to kill tarkov, i hope not at least. But the devide that I've seen is just plain silly and childish. Anyone who has distain for PvE players because they stopped playing PvP is just silly. I think that if people are enjoying PvE more than PvP, then so what. I think people should be able to play whatever they want to, because at the end of the day we just want to have fun. I believe its selfish and inconsiderate to be frustrated that other people are having more fun with pve, and they aren't in PvP to fill up the raids, but they have an overall less enjoyable experience. To clarify, im not saying that you said this stuff. Im just addressing things I've heard. And I ran out of typing energy. Thanks for reading if you did.
I think the argument is kind of idiotic honestly, the reason I say this is people playing pve don’t want to play PvP. They are going to not play at all, play spt or play another game like you said. This isn’t a division of player base it’s giving a player base who didn’t enjoy PvP a way to enjoy the experience that is tarkov. While I can see arguments to be made and agree with certain points it’s less a split of player base and more actually increasing the player base and once people get comfortable with pve they are probably more likely to transition to PvP.
PVE difficulty is spot on IMO and Im really enjoying the PVE mode. How long that will last I couldn't say though
all well and good till the pmcs and scavs are working together
I feel like the pve ai could get repetitive. That’s my only concern
@@HighKappaTV 2k pvp hours and I'm lvl 21 in pve currently, it does get a little predictable *sometimes* but they're still a threat - I'm mainly using pve to help teach a mate who's new to the game in a less stressful vacuum where we can just chill for a sec to either take in the area or explain something. It's hard for people to absorb information in a tense environment and I feel that's where pve steps up
@@HighKappaTVHa!
You never know what comes next.
Hell yesterday I saw Reshala turn into a beyblade and spin because I killed one of his guards, also saw a scav get raptured
I heavily recommend everyone to use SPT with Sain bots feel more "alive" and is a way more enjoyable experience
You can literally turn Tarkov into anything you want
I've progressed more in PVE than I ever have in PVP but people on reddit asking to make things easier is ridiculous in my opinion. Nikita already said they're going to 'prolong' the PVE progression so I guess they're shit out of luck 😂
same with dark souls
This basically sounds like “I make money from this game so pls play online so I can keep getting clips”
thats the most headass take ive seen in these comments you ever just consider that he might like the game and wants to see it do well? not everyone has to like something because it makes them money not everyone has to hate something because its hard or they have a bad time with it from time to time, he will always get clips, he will continue to make money so where in all of this do you even get that sentiment from i really dont care for this style of content but holy shit you seem dense
It is a shit take. People should play what they enjoy the most. Any other take is dumb.
The issue is beyond just PVE and Arena splittibg the player base .. with the new PMC karma coming, the player base will literally be split in half again and it will be even harder to find someone you can actually kill in Tarkov.
If you want a bigger challenge, SPTarkov with mods. It slaps.
especially now with how easy the installation is
5k hours here and started a hardocre run in PVE a couple weeks ago... I like it much better than the PvP late-wipe brainless gunshot-chasing dynamics, but that's probably just because I am playing hardcore, which gives that extra layer of excitement/frustration for each W/L
What I think is good about PVE is that it allows you to experience everything about Tarkov that you may not get to as a brand new player. Especially one who may be new to FPS in general. It allows you to learn maps, healing, traders, questing, and all other things that older players take for granted. The game is not the same in it's current state as it was 5yrs ago. PVE allows the new player a chance to learn the game at their own pace so that when they feel like tipping their toes into PVP, they are better prepared.
if a game can take up to 1k hours to get good at, you completely remove the ability for new gamers, that also have a life outside of the computer, to get invested. This game is on top of that extremely punishing and dying much may mean many many many scav runs to get any sort of gear. Scav runs also having a cooldown of 30min no matter if you got survived that raid or not meaning that you might still have no rubles, no gun for pmc and needed to wait 30 min to play the fking game again.
It is kinda insane just how hardcore this game is and I am not surprised it is fun for giga sweats and streamers, and even for filthy cheaters. Every kill you get with "ease" might be a more casual gamer's last kit and death meaning no more progress for 30min and that might end up being the last time before needing to log off the computer to get ready for work tomorrow.
When sweats then says "Everyone should HAVE TO go through what I did", then sounds insane and I say, "Enjoy the game dying"
Right... The gate-keeper vibes are strong... "You shouldn't get to enjoy the game unless you do it the way I did" Like a toddler stomping that its not fair because someone else got an simpler page out of the coloring book... We're all just trying to color inside the lines... You worry about your page, i'll worry about mine...
@@Addertach Exactly
If PVP dies because of PVE it's BSG's fault, I moved to PVE for 2 reasons, load times and cheaters. Im fine dying to skill diff/gear diff but I draw the line at cheaters, in other games they are a nuisance, in Tarkov they are BRUTAL because of how this game plays and whats on the line. So until BSG gets a better handle on cheaters, Im sticking to PVE.
Video starts at 54:00 if you're just looking for his final thoughts.
New Tarkover here and when I heard about PVE I had the same initial impression. The whole point is the stress of players on top of the learning of the game. I’ve quit a couple times but now that I’m getting somewhere I see the appeal greatly.
PVE feels like what we have been missing.
survival.
what we missed in old tarkov where fights are slower, where there isnt some guy jumping halfway across the map with a spear or where theres someone camping an extract.
you actually can survive alot easier and you dont have to wonder "was that a cheater?"
you die to your actions either too greedy or too stupid on your pushes.
it feels like what tarkov shouldve had long ago.
mind it isnt perfect, the absolute aimbot and pmc/boss peacefully standing near eachother and swarming you and you alone.
but reguardless it is awesome still to this day
welcome to tarkov my friends...
now you will never escape.
If you die to extract campers you only have yourself to blame for not being cautious
If I would start playing Tarkov today, the thing I would enjoy doing differently would be to replace using the Tarkov Wiki to find out where I need to go for quests by playing each quest first in PVE and then after finding it out on my own there then attempting to do it in PVP.
Wipe hype 07
Another absolute banger of a vid Lew. Some of your best editing yet, you should absolutely be proud of this one.
The only issue with it that I can see is you got the 2 mounted weapons on Ground Zero the wrong way round. The GL is the first one you hit, and the MG is the one near the middle of the map.
dude I started my first ever Tarkov experience 2 weeks ago on PvE and it is brutal. 2 extractions from 10 Raids. not knowing how Scavs behave, the gun mechanics or any of the maps make this the hardest gaming experience of my life. I love it.
This video makes me question whether or not the tarkov community enjoys fun...
Why would you unironically ask for content gating? I personally think PVE should just be there for people that want to enjoy it. From my understanding your PVE stash and your PVP stash are separate, so why does content need to be gated?
Also Lew said it himself, he is more of a PVP kind of person so what makes him qualified to comment on a PVE gamemode? Is it because he has countless hours in PVP and thus will have a bias towards it? Or is it because haha streamer says thing so must be true hurr durr?
Exactly! I’m a full time welder and unlike some people I don’t have 80 hours a week to dump into tarkov, but I don’t think I should have to wait 4 months for the content to come to pve just so Full time players like Lew can dunk on me while I’m trying to enjoy the content. Just a bad take
Cus' sweats want more people, who come just to have fun, so they have more people to shat on. That's literally it. Some people don't have fun. so they don't want others to have it too.
The reason for content gating is you avoid spoilers for a period of time. All the try-hards on YT are going to publish videos within hours if the content isn’t gated that potentially ruins discovery for them. For the average Tarkov player, maybe this isn’t a big deal, but there’s something fun about discovering or experiencing something for the first time. This is really his point.
I’ll add that I prefer PVE for my schedule, but having played both PVP mode is better - the PMC AI in PVE mode is easily cheesed
@@Its_Mee_Bee So just... Don't click on those videos.... I still don't see how that's a valid point. Content gating is dumb and ruins the flow and progression of literally any game it touches. It could even cause players to stop playing entirely until said content is no longer gated... There is a answer for this, but content gating is the worst one.
And if you're saying the content gating is for the shittubers well, I don't see your point still. UA-camrs will always rush to the newest content because that's just how that works, even in PVP tarkov you see this.
I've always described Tarkov as, "Not really fun at all, but super compelling"
Long term, hardcore fans of the game (like streamers and youtubers) just have developed full brainrot about it by this point. This game already actively hates its players and intentionally contains content that like 90% of players will almost certainly *never* get to, last thing it needs is even more gatekeeping.
British man proposes a 2 tier system for PvP and PvE player. Proposes that PvE players who have contributed financially more to the game get shittier player so PvP players can get their kicks stomping on them. Sounds like you need to rename yourself to 2tierlew instead.
Loved this video and points made. Editing and cinematics on point as always Lew 🐐
the one tap of PMC is probably due to less to no lag delay in the network as compared to PVP online experience when often hit don't register as quickly. Which is one of the other quality of life improvement that PVE provide.
Im a level 46 factory player with over 2300 PMC kills wipe and i still cant buy and good ammo lol. I decided not to do any tasks this wipe.
Almost 1000 hours this wipe and i still habe level 2 traders and cant buy anything competitive.
You dropped this, king. 👑
real chad!
PvE captured the working class. I would argue sweats and exit campers aren’t even the biggest issues. Systems like FIR really hurt the people who don’t get to run 20 raids a day. Collection quests like flash drives suck because if you put your last one in your ass and die, you’re still stuck. FIR should be changed to “not bought off traders or flea market.” Cheaters suck not just from a dying perspective, but how can a working class gamer expect to get high value items when there are cheaters on top of sweats? They’re supposed to be content with mid tier hardware loot?
Wipe hype o7. Hey Lew, love your stuff man! I understand what you’re saying, but from my perspective…I’ve got ~1600hours in pvp.
I like PvE because it’s casual and I don’t have to wait so long to get into raids since I mostly play solo anyhow. I would be fine with delayed content, but that wouldn’t make me play PvP.
Anyhow man, glad to see you fighting to keep Tarkov alive, keep up the good work!
So I recently got a PC capable of Tarkov and was excited to finally start it up. I don't think I've survived a PVE raid yet. You make it look easy. After seeing others say it is more challenging than PvP, I did quite a few PvP with a 76% survival rate. PvE is wild. And I suck.
I doubt youll see this but you said lets have a conversation in the comments so I will. I watch most of your vids and mostly agree with your takes. But in this case I think your take is lacking. You never considered someone like me or my best friend. We both learned the game when we had more time to grind on PVP, we both achieved endgame multiple times. So I agree with the part that nothing but PVP will give you that true Tarkov experience, the feelings of anxiety in a bush when you hear chads stomping around you not even daring to breathe because you finally got that task item. But we dont have as much time anymore, he got a son, I got a promotion and Im proposing, and can only play the early game of EFT if we get lucky that the wipe falls on when we have time and on top of that we can never get anywhere close to endgame within the same wipe. So PVE gives us the opportunity to experience EFT at our own pace again and finally get somewhere and not be pressured or rushed and thus turned away from the game. Before PVE we barely played the game anymore. And honestly the only options where get lucky and enjoy a bit of early game, or just dont play the game at all. Because for the little time we do have to play... Its really pointless to spend it on infuriating fights against chads with us only having penis helms and 855 or some shit ammo. Just running from spawn and getting out geared all the time is really not the essence of Tarkov either in my mind. And in this case EFT was able to keep a player instead of losing one.
the take that "i had to do it like this and it was a slog, so you should have to as well" is very boomer coded and is objectively not a good argument. to say that it should be a nightmare to learn this game is wild to me. to argue that anyone play SHOULD have to do that to learn the game "properly" is not the move imo
I'm completely uninterested in PvP anymore. I'm 41; I've played competitive shooters online since I was 15. I have a life outside of video games and if I'm going to do something I suck at, it's not going to be a video game, it's going to be a hobby like woodworking that will actually be useful. I don't want to spend my free time grinding a video game, I want to spend it enjoying video games. Especially with Tarkov, where so much time is spent waiting (waiting for the hideout to load, waiting for traders' items to load, waiting to load into a raid, waiting for the main screen to load after a raid). Waiting all that time, loading into a PvP raid and then dying to a cheater or someone who has more free time to invest in the game than me is a waste of my time.
The current meta of online FPS game (quickplay style where you are placed in a server by the game, the only control you have over your teammates is if you put together a group, and there's no incentive to do anything but be self-centered) doesn't afford itself for people with a life. Back in the day, you would join a dedicated community server with people you played with regularly and knew. You would play a few games, have fun, talk to the people you knew, and log off. You could still enjoy CS 1.3 if you sucked at it if you were in a server with people you knew. Now, you have to invest time (into a video game) to be able to enjoy it.
Im liking PvE, the non-stop action is awesome for content. Local severs. 20 second load times. Lvl. 1 Peacekeeper grenade launcher is NEAT. General loot is valuable too. Good video Lew!
also, if you crouch, one click you slide under the netting in usec camp and can loot the table easier.
wipe hype 07
As a completionest, and having a full+ time job, PvE is the only way I will feel complete with this game. I work too many hours to be able to ever get kappa, ever see Lightkeeper, or even half of the end game quests. Once I complete everything I do plan on going back to PvP since I do truely enjoy that more but I want to see everything Tarkov has to offer. Loved the video btw!
I played Tarkov for every wipe from 2018- late 2021 and then stopped. After a 3 year break, I started playing again in PVE. I’m absolutely loving it. It needs a lot of work to be polished, especially the horde mode scavs and goon spawn rate. I’d love to see the PMC’s actually engage each other in firefights, at least on a Bear vs USEC basis. The bosses should also engage PMC’s. it would bring it more in line with the PVP experience and imo, make it the game better. I absolutely agree that the PVE mode needs some sort of seasonal update, allowing players to do more quests etc. overall, a great addition though.
Wipe hype 07. Keep up the good work! Love your videos!
as a player who started 2 wipes ago and having tons of fun exploring endgamecontent in pve, in hopes to transfer that knowledge to Pvp, im so in the mood for wipe hype o7 ;)! Rly enjoy your takes and opinions. good to see players like you, that form their opinons individually to the masscontent creators
wipe hype o7. Thanks for another banger vid mate, also congrats for 150k subs
For reference. The Ai DOES fight each other. The difference is the second YOU get spotted they will all stop fighting each other and start fighting YOU
I have watched alot of your videos including other content creators over the years for help with this game so first off thank you for all the help.
I also have 4k hours and played several wipes by now, I love the game and have made so many friends playing and learning it, what I have heard and why so many switch to PVE isn't about rats, campers, chads, or lack of knowledge of the game. It is all about time and cheaters, ALL of my friends have either walked away completely or switched to PVE or SPT.
Time: if you have put hours and hours into multiple wipes and completed hard quests over and over that takes time and people are kind of over the grind including all the nerfs over the years to the game to make the wipe last longer rather than make it better through questing changes etc
Cheaters: Whatever anyone has to say does not matter cheating sucks and people are tired of it. When you add everything I stated about and combined it with dealing with cheaters the game is not enjoyable.
Summary: Look at the time factor, I'm sitting over 4k hours and im over dying to a rat, large groups of PMC's then deal with cheaters on top of all of that, I ask myself why am I playing this grind for the same thing again when alot of friends have moved on because of all of these topics i bring up above so we switch or leave.
I'm not a huge PvP fan but I'm thinking of "getting into" Tarkov for the PvE. If I'm understanding correctly all I need to do is buy the base-level edition and then the PvE expansion?
Correct
Yep, costs I think 20 usd on top of base price
@@hunterfirechaser2784 plus taxes
@@hunterfirechaser2784 yup, I dare add that it's excluding VAT (was a "nice" surprise for me as a euro gamer where VAT is always included up front).
yeah and if they mess it up or something there is a VERY good PVE mod that many use, a lot of people even prefer the mod
I work at random times throughout the days and nights as a voice actor and paid GM. I don't have time for long waits to get into games nor to worry about some sweaty PVPer to dome me with a pistol from 200 meters whilst they've been camping a bush for 10 minutes. PVE is a HUGE relief. I got back into this game just because of it.
Never thought I'd catch a new 2lew episode this early. LETS GOOOO!!!
Hear me out: pvp people are not really switching to pve.
I personally stopped playing eft completely bc i don't have the time to grind a game that resets every few months anymore. I once played a lot, had Kappa and was high lvl but i don't have the time anymore and cheaters aren't helping with motivation.
Thats why i love the fact that pve doesn't wipe and i just downloaded eft again. Same with a few friends of mine. So pve brings back people who already stopped playing completely.
Mate, first i love your contend. I got so much learnings and joy out of your Videos. Mind that english is "not my Mother tongue" (Rammstein). But, if you talk at around 54:00 about the struggle the PvE experience doesnt give you, i replaced the word Tarkov with torture. Like : " They will never feel the torture i got out of the 1000 hours of Tarkov. Yeah mate, maybe i dont want to get tortured by a game. I played 3 WIpes now PVP Tarkov and i am tired of cheaters. I am tired of loot sucking cheaters. i am too old for that shit. And you could say: " Yeah then Tarkov is simply not for you". But if there was a way where i could enjoy Tarkov and you could enjoy it as well? MAybe with splitting it in the casual fun with friends PvE mode and the sweaty PvP mode. The only reason against that is, that you wont get victims on the PvP servers. And do you know what happens when i am done with all the COntend on PvE? Maybe i will switch to PvP then. Maybe PvE is the toturial of Tarkov. And maybe i have fun experience the Contend on lvl 40 and ov er that, because on PvP i was sick and tired of the shit that Jäger wants me to do against PMCs.
No hate, just the Pov from a 34 year old Noob who enjoys PvE with his friends :)
Hey Lew, I really like how you described your experience with PvE and why you like the PvP side better. As someone who has almost exclusively played PvE since its release, I really enjoy how laid back it is. I have thousands of hours in other PvP games as well as hundreds of hours in Trakov PvP. No matter how much I play PvE I still have that itch to piss someone off on the PvP side of the game. Right before PvE was available to everyone, I played some PvP with a friend and got 3/4 kills in and around Fortress on Customs. Having the pain of dying to the spots I killed people at made it so much fun to translate my polished game mechs from PvE into rage for the other person in PvP.
TLDR: Go through the initial hardships in PvP, polish game knowledge and mechs in PvE, return to PvP with a better understanding to drop your nuts on Timmies chins and maybe kill a juicer or two along the way.
Fantastic vid as well bro 👍
wipe hype o7 too ;)
"Raiders are deadly" "im a pvp chad" the shalk doesntsalt twice!!
Can find salewas in room 3, right next to room 4 on GZ by the lab where you grab the quest item. They spawn on the table covered in blood, as well as the table on the other side of the wall. Possible orange med bag aswell.
Edit: Posted this before he hit the room c:
I only started playing Tarkov for the first time last month. PVP was very challenging and I only got a couple PMC kills and didn’t reach lvl 15 this late into the wipe. My friends had PVE so we decided to play that considering we all work full time jobs and support families. PVE won’t hurt the main player base, if anything that would be SPT with Mods. If anything PVE has been keeping more people playing the actual game, just not PVP.
The problem with PVP is that by the time i reach something like SETUP i need to kill people in lvl 6 armor shooting lasers at me that remove me from existence from 1 bullet.
I feel like you can partly fix that by making different things available at different times, like how they made lvl 6 armor only available by finding it in raid or that now most
“I struggled to learn the game so you should too”
I started playing pve 2 weeks ago. I’m level 31, with strength and endurance at level 8 with LL3 unlocked traders, almost max highdout (just need range l3, moonshine and more gpus for my bitcoin farm) and I’m excited for my shooting range and library to finish.constructing for those sweet sweet bonuses.
pve’s a blast. really satisfying to grind having the knowlodge that all of the threats are boys. they’re not gonna fuck with you head (excep for birdeye.
looting is a lot safer, and i think looting in this game is so much fun. definitely one of my top 5. but you also get pushed a lot and find a buncha rats in buildings. so the Pve is there. fights aren’t that fun atm, but as i get stims remember how to play, it’s getting to be a lot of fun.
They could to fix some issues:
- goons probably shouldnt spawn as often as they do
- pmcs and scavs should ALWAYS agro. so annoying being in a fight and watching a scav team up with a pmc and push me the pmcs should easily drop scavs so it should be fine
-pmc spawns are annoying, they spawn at the locations already, and sometimes i think ive watched them spawn. i think they should spawn closure to player spawn points so we could beat them there and then they have to push me
- SO. MANY. ENEMIES. it’s kinda fine tho, pve wouldnt be fun if u didnt get to kill like 20 things every raid. i think they should add a system where bosses pull up on u when there’s a bunch of bodies. could be neat
put a thousand hours into this game a couple years ago, came back bc EOD includes pve. just cant be fucked with tarkov pvp honestly. it’s nixe but the game is soul eating, pve makes it far more relaxed.
i think there should be certain endgame items that you could use to improve your main account to a capped level. maybe if u get kappa, you can trade it in for lvl 15 and lvl 2 traders? and all the easy hideout stuff is done this makes it so they’re still mostly timmys, but they dont have to sit through the gruel of latewipe while they’re brand new, just a little boost for their confidence and so they can get better armor and ammo. and getting kappa would teach then how to play the game really well.
def could argue about how much progress they get from it. but i think that would be better to bring PVE players into TARKOV. i dont think capping content is right tho, and i dont think bsg will do it. bc it $20 on top of tarkov. staggering post wipe is a yes tho. maybe giving pce players community goals to eventually unlock it similarly to how the PVP players progress
reason i picked pve is because i don't want to deal with any type of cheaters. i'd rather be against cracked out ai similar to Ready Or Not rather than deal with any type of cheater in pvp. i enjoyed your video man i recently came across your channel and it's pretty neat. keep up the good work!!
Making the game insufferable for newer players is whats dangerous for it, saying that pve needs to be endgame locked just fucks over an untold amount of players who 1. Dont enjoy having to sacrifice something in their lives just to make time to keeo up with live pvp progression, 2. The cheater epidemic that has seen no fucking slowing, 3. A lot of people just domt enjoy playing pvp against people who know every map like the back of their hand and every little head glitch pixel peak spot losing hours of time and millions of roubles in kits. Your personal preference for pvp is fine, but advocating for people who dont enjoy the pvp be forced to play pvp to get endgame content like lightkeep because you THINK pve robs them of having an enjoyable tarkov experience is tone deaf. And i havent heard people asking fot pve to be made easier, all I've heard was for the bugs to be fixed like PMC ai and scavs not being on the same team making maps like factory feel insufferable at times.
tarkov is the dark souls of fps, it's not made to hold your hand, it's made to challenge you, to make you be creative, it's a hit or miss process and see what works and what not, change them and get to the same process all over again
it's not meant to be played like the other shooters
@@vali.s5109 Where your comparison falls short is that Dark Souls is a game against AI if that's all you want it to be. You can prevent invasions. And with that, the difficulty comes from learning the game, the AI, etc, not keeping up with some meta and trying to keep up with the skill and progress of the people that have nothing better to do than to play this only to never complete everything because you have a life outside of this full-time job of a game.
@@vali.s5109 Now say what the game actually is like, and not your dumb sales pitch for the game. It's sitting in a black screen staring at some ugly Russian guy while your computer takes its sweet goddamn time. Also, there's a set window of time you have to play in, and if you get in late in the wipe, go fuck yourself, you better be good enough to take on those "Totally skilled gamerz" with the shit gear you have. Because that's what you can just do to "skilled gamerz" right? Just take them down with a PACA and a revolver shotty? No? Fuck off with that. I can turn on Dark Souls right now and play, and it doesn't matter whether I turned the game on in August or March or whatever. I can just play, and not have some videogame think it can impose a fucking work schedule on me.
@@vali.s5109 Tarkov is not dark souls, don't insult dark souls.
@@vali.s5109 hell if you said Anomaly we'd be on same page but Tarkov don't make me laugh.
Ok babe 2Lew just dropped an hour long banger ttyl
I understand from a content creator perspective it's threatening that new content will be "leaked" instantly. But for the majority of the playerbase I don't think it matters who "discovers" the new content, either way it'll be well before they get to it
The real reason he's against it
I feel like the main problem with PvE is the AI. The AI has always been terrible. They are both extremely overpowered whilst also being extremely exploitable. IMO at the current moment this fact makes PvE actual trash. It was bad enough already with other players but now that there is just AI the issues with it are unbearable. However I also think that PvP is integral to what makes Tarkov what it is. Ideally I hope PvE is a mode that people play every once in a while or maybe a mode that new players play for a bit and then swap over to mainly playing PvP servers. We shall see tho.
Your videos are always so entertaining, I love how excited you get with the loot haha. I don't fully agree with your thoughts, but I'm gonna swallow most of my opinion. I do want to leave one thought for you, based on what you said near the end about if someone doesn't enjoy the tarkov experience, they should instead play a game that fits them better. Have you considered that the main complaint for players may have been related to PvP and the PvE mode IS that other game that fits them better? They may love the game but want to play a single player version (like me), or the poor netcode makes it miserable for them to play if they live in Australia (like one of my friends).
Thanks for the comment! I have no argument against your reasons for playing PVE, thats completely fair and I agree :)
You have a pretty interesting view on PvE and I respect that. I wanted to say something about why PvE actually benefits Tarkov as a whole, but every argument for and against that has already been made by others ^^ So instead I'm gonna try to compare my experience in online EFT with the game, or better: a mod, that I switched to afterwards - SPT.
Downsides of playing offline are that you don't get the interaction with other real people, so your experience won't ever be as natural or special as it can be online. But that's basically the only downside I've experienced throughout 3,200+ hours combined. Upsides are (what many people already pointed out) are the absence of cheaters, loading times, server stability, basically what makes the game enjoyable. Plus in SPT you get the opportunity to use mods that can possibly improve your experience in many ways if you don't overdo it. Things like SAIN improve so much on the AI that it feels like you're actually playing against real players, with some of them using advanced combat techniques to flank you - something that EFT's own PvE mode doesn't seem to succeed at.
28:45 It's RIDICULOUS the spawn rate of the goons in PVE. I die to them on customs every 4-5 raids on Customs. I've managed to kill them all twice in 5 encounters with them.
Always appreciate getting your perspective
This is my first wipe and I’ve put about 650 hours into pvp. I got Kappa and I can’t finish lightkeeper because no one plays lighthouse so I can’t get assessment part 1 done with only a week left of wipe.
I didn’t play much these last two months since I got Kappa in early June because I’m waiting for wipe and I’m SO excited for it.
I don’t have PvE but I feel like without a wipe and without the same challenge of normal PvP I think a lot of players will have a TON of fun with PvE and then be done with the game for a while until they decided they want to do it again and wipe their account.
I feel bad for the people who will never experience PvP because it has been the most fun I’ve ever had with a video game HANDS DOWN.
I got destroyed for so long and had to learn every map with maps online until I had them memorized, but every single achievement felt so good to finally get and getting kappa first wipe is the coolest thing I’ve ever done in a video game.
Nobody is sound crabbing me ever since I went to PVE. Weird. There are so many places I can actually go now.
Pve is great for ppl with a life. I even got a totally different feeling entering a raid while knowing that there won't be a cheater or a guy with 8k hours. Such a different feeling man.
Hey Lew. Filthy casual here. I love PVP Tarkov. HOWEVER. At the start of wipe, I fall behind quickly because I do not have the 8 hours straight to dedicate at pretty much any point. I'm then left with access to low pen ammo and gear deficiencies. There are 'strategies' to down players and get better gear. But even then I'm limited to whatever ammo they didn't jam in their container. And honestly, I hate playing like a rat. Add to that chems and skills. I simply cannot keep up. I've been on the SPT train for a while. I've really enjoyed it. I've also seen the WILD improvements to the game via mods. To include making the AI WAY WAY WAY smarter. I prefer Tarkov to be difficult in a tactics sense. Not a logistics sense. Scrubbing a PMC that's pushing me with a 6 pixel lean peak is definitely satisfying. Fighting off the scav army is also intense. I see PVE as a gateway into pvp. And no matter which way you choose, you still paid for the game. Which is what BSG is aiming for. We aren't paying a subscription. BSG needs to make money. If you love Tarkov and want to see it survive, let the PVE Eddies pay for the game. I agree that PVE should be a full content release behind PVP. You are absolutely correct that there is no reason PVE should get new content at the same time. PVE is absolutely easier. Which is why mods should be allowed. Don't ever admit to it. But try out SPT with the SAIN upgrades and a couple additional ai behavior mods. Additionally, almost any mechanic you have been begging for in Tarkov for years is available via SPT mods. BSG doesn't need to experiment to make a better game. Just watch what mods become popular and implement that. "Modding the game ruins the experience and will ultimately ruin the game!" Tell that to the Skyrim community.
And I guess Wipe Hype 07. Because of course I watched the whole video. It just took me a couple tries. Because time is that limited.
I have played through some pvp wipes, some I got to high level, some I didn't. I absolutely love pve. I get that tarkov has a steep learning curve and that is part of the game. But, I work 6 days a week, have to travel a long time to get to work and combine all that with sports household and friends.
Which leaves me with not a lot of time to play video games. I also play multiple games and like to switch between them.
So I don't have 100's of hours to learn and sink in to the game. And when I can play most people are already way higher level and running Chad gear. Where I am still starting out.
So PVE is a great alternative where I can play in my own time and not have to worry about not going with flow so I don't get way behind on gear.
Wipe hype o7 good video Lew 💜
There's no hackers, dsync, lag, wipes, and you get ALL of your insured gear back...I wonder why PvE is popular?
My take on PVE so far is that it certainly will be popular even during the new wipe but I think since Tarkov has always been about the journey and not the result, many will still come back for the early wipe experience. If BSG wants to draw players from PVE to PVP then I think they need to make it more casual friendly. How? Not sure but many people obviously dislike late wipe considering how the numbers drop towards late-wipe. For me it's that every engagement feels like I'm playing against the same meta gear all the time and with the new armor system, you're just at a way too large disadvantage especially when you're playing more closed and smaller maps. Lighthouse and streets run like shit ( First being also bad designed in my opinion but different topic ).
Anyway, back to the video~
I think to keep PvP fun mid to late wipe they need to change the availability of certain armors and ammos and also add some more fun and interactive events like a vault on a map you have to crack with some fat loot or a new mini boss that you need to either protect from pmcs or kill airdrops getting buffed so more organic PvP and overall more creative stuff would really freshen up the game and have people looking forward to late wipe
PvE is a blessing for someone like me, im gone from home 4 1/2 days a week, i don't have time to give away for pvp style.
I have played Pvp, but now i have played Pve for the period of the pvp wipe i have only done 280 raids over the full wipe. And that's me committing all my free time to it. Thats not enough Hours for Pvp. At least now i am getting further then i used to.
When PVE first came out the pmc's didn't have the kind of loot they have now and they were also DUMB as a bag of hammers. BSG is doing a pretty good job making progress on making PVE more engaging. That said if PVE didn't get a feature that pvp got that's not going to make me play PVP. PVP feels like if you can't play 5 hours a day there's not much point in it.
I've been having a blast on PvE and I'm a huge fan of the PvP version. With that said, I see myself returning to PvP as soon as they wipe but will be going to PvE once the wipe gets stale.
So here’s the issue with the idea of content blocking. Originally the PvE content was blocked behind a $250 paywall. It’s tough to argue the content should be held behind a $50 base games allowed content.
I also agree the content is easy to obtain to finish the entire hideout; minus Military Power Filters. I’m about 14 quests from Kappa myself and my buddy just hit it.
And also as you can tell Lew, those PMCs either have aimbot or they’re so stupid they let you hit them in the head with a shovel
That being said. I did PvP until about level 20. My computer isn't a powerhouse and my frames were not good. I couldn't even load Streets so I never even went there. PvP does have an issue where cheaters and good legit players are hard to decipher. For new players, eventually they just group everyone as cheating because they don't get a chance to learn the game with good players and actual cheaters ruining the experience. When a game gets to a point you feel like you die to a cheater in each death, it gets demoralizing and eventually they lose interest in dealing with that mindset. "Not everyone you die to is cheating and not everyone you die to is a legit good player," but due to the way you die in this game it's impossible to tell. If there was a killcam, you could assess your death better. "Oh that cover isn't actually cover, that guy was in a good spot I didn't know about, let me check that next time." It's extremely hard to learn when every death, after waiting 10 mins to queue into the game feels like a cheater because good players can kill you in ways you haven't even learned yet early on.
It would be nice if they could deploy a system that actually worked for anti-cheat and could confidently say 80%-90% of the cheating is gone. Then it's impossible to sit there and lump everyone into that category of "they're cheating."
If it wasn't for PvE, I probably would never have touched Tarkov ever again. This is a combination of a skill & time issue. I am so glad PvE is here, and who knows, maybe one day I'll join a PvP wipe when I feel like I know what I'm doing. For now at least, I am truly hooked.
running into the goons twice
I got beamed down from stronghold toward that factory building near old gas... I said "ok, time to rotate" (I learned from lews video).
Well turns out that doesn't do shit, you are tagged and cursed basically :P
Anyway through some miracle I killed the goons on the road outside skeleton, without the achievement I wouldn't even have known because I had a big bleed, nothing to clear it, and I was scared someone else might show up lol. So I looted whatever I could from pipe, and left. Then at the end of the raid I read the achievement.... :D
casual player here, pvp was always like a mountain i couldn't climb. between the quests i could never do because i would die, and the time i would have to invest to get really good i just couldn't justify between work and daily life. Pve allows me to enjoy the full tarkov experience with a level of difficulty im comfortable with. the Goons have put me in a dumpster a few times but i managed to kill reshala and his gaurds in dorms for the first time and that was the most fun i've ever had in tarkov. the ai is a bit goofy but if it were any easier it wouldn't be fun, additionally i would like to get to a point where i feel i can compete in pvp and switch back over.
If PVP is loosing players to PVE. Then as I see it there is an issue with PVP. I have never really played much Tarkov and have never got to "endgame" I have played Pve now for 3-4 weeks and still have a lot of stuff too do. I like the progression and having the experinces in my own time, and not worrying about not "getting there" before wipe. People play different, and I dont think anyone should be pressured too play Pvp content too experince the full game.
The pmc named SIGMA😂 Thats golden