thanks for the video, loved it as always ! For me PVE allowed me to actually enjoy tarkov. It's easier for me as someone that can't really dedicate so many hours "getting good", plus I am on the older side of gaming and my reflexes aren't what they used to be. PVE is a bit more predictable (and doesn't wipe) so that's a big plus for me. It's more respectful of my time, because tarkov can be quite punishing and you, most of the time, make a net loss when getting killed : losing gear, not completing tasks... I know it's part of the appeal, it's also a big deterrent for many players. The AI needs some balancing and more brains, SPT is way better in that regard, hopefully nikita goes stealing that mod files and replicate some of it in live PVE tarkov. Hopefully PVE brings back some old players that just stopped caring for the game because it's too extreme, and maybe they will find their way back to PVE.
@@LalleMangaming I think it is intended that pmc dont kill bosses to not steal them from you. You get plenty of chances to meet a boss that is still alive. Instead you arrive and everything dead already. And PMCs dont carry away the boss loot
PvE respects your time more. No cheaters, short raid loading times, and no wipe. From what I see PvE has been a hit with people like myself, people who have done several wipes of PvP and find the cheaters, and rush to max rep detracts from the experience if you only have limited time. That being said, nothing gets adrenaline running like the fights you can have in PvP!
@@Grieva-SeeD- skill issues is why people play pve. Playing a loot sim and saying it’s better because of this or that is just coping, if you enjoy pve over PvP it’s because you’re in fact a timmy at the game and that’s fine but y’all need to start being honest
@@AzBA11in1 Skill issue on the part of the developers maybe. Why does their shit game take 3 hours to load each game? You keep saying skill issue. Are you saying I'm bad at loading? And you talk about honesty but all you're doing is repeating "skill issue" while ignoring the load time issues and the cheaters. You just make some shit up to dismiss people because you don't like that people are criticizing a game you like. It's a very childish mindset from someone who probably plays too many video games. The way you repeatedly claim to be very good at video games as if that matters to adults is... telling. You don't have a job, do you? Also, you're not Southern. Don't say "Y'all". Honesty. What a joke.
@@AzBA11in1 a tummy? I didn't say it was better in general. Please learn to read and comprehend. I said that PvP will always give the adrenaline rush that PvE will not give, however for those that enjoy the atmosphere and gameplay cycle of Tarkov, but lack time to really invest in a wipe (and let's face it, you need to commit hundreds of hours each wipe to excel) the PvE mode satisfies that need. So wipe that sweat from your keyboard from all your W shifting and stop belittling people for playing the way they want to play.
As an veteran EFT sweat who no longer has the time to spend towards the main game because I have a wife and 2 kids now, what I do is get my “main game” fix in PVE and my PVP fix in Arena. It’s really the only way I can get the “whole experience” without having to resort being stuck at lvl 20 at end of wipe
stop lying to yourself lol you cant get past level 20 in pvp over the course of 9 months because you got a woman and kids? Join the club. Every pve player is former pvp chad that just cant handle it anymore hahah just say you are scared to fight other players and enjoy your pve bro
People that say "PvE ruins the PvP because no one will be left on the servers so lets limit it" are just selfish. Some people don't wanna sweat PvP all day.
Simply the fact that I can go to work or on a vacation and come back and the game will be the same difficulty as when I put it down means I can enjoy the Tarkov experience at my own pace. You're disconnected from the people that genuinely fit better with a PvE experience due to work load, slower internet connections and perhaps even disabilities. PvP is certainly more thrilling, but that thrill will always be there.
@@carobcoca437 except when I want to queue with my friends on pve. I've tried fikka and SIT but both were janky with item dropping and hit detection. Sometimes only 1 player would even see the enemies but both can be killed. For pure single player, sure you're 100% right.
@@carobcoca437 This. Why the fuck would anybody play regular PVE, unless they don't even know about SPT. And if you're watching a YT video about PVE, you probably know about SPT...
Counter argument: it doesn't take 10 minutes to load into a map in PvE and I dont have to worry about vacuum cheaters. Or just cheaters. Or sweats bumrushing my spawn while I'm still loading. Or cheaters. Or massive desync between players. Or cheaters.
@@freddiedavies6415 Agree with you. Being one of those casual players i really dislike PvE. It is not as good as SPT (which is not as good as PvP, but lots better). It is too easy. It feels like Tagged and Cursed. There is no such thing as "I killed 6 PMCs so i probably won't see any more" on most Maps. All of my PvE Deaths happened because i ran out of Ammo. In PvP i die because i am mediocre. Real big difference. That being said, i also do not want to play PvP. I love it. But the lack of time on my end and the ongoing problem of cheaters just fucking sucks. Nothing more frustrating than opening a room with a really rare key and have it be empty. Being a programmer i also don't understand how BSG hasn't fixed that yet. I have worked on Unity Games. It is not hard. All you would need is a tag for Items in a locked room and a check upon being picked up the first time.
Cheaters, sweats, inconsistency in gameplay, and crap load times is why PVE is popular. Until BSG addresses the bullshit, PVP will always fall under the wipe loop of people playing the beginning and then leaving. This was my first wipe, and i made it to around lvl 40 something. PVE is fun.
This is a great point. No reason for me to play Tarkov late wipe when I can only play a few hours a week. Couple that with the long pre-raid prep and load times (which is honestly the worst part of the game) and PVE is a breath of fresh air. However, I agree with Lew. It’s too easy. PVE lacks the tension and excitement of PvP. Those aspects do make Tarkov one of a kind. I do plan on playing PvP again for wipe.
@AzBA11in1 really? So you just going to enter into a discussion with that? You know how many ppl I play with that's been through 4 or 5 wipes up until Kappa (some if them are Chads) I'm playing with now on Pve? A lot if those same ppl don't have the time anymore to "no life" that shit. They have family and other things going on in there life and don't have time to do pvp. Who the hell are you to make a quick judgment? That's a L take dude...
Usually I think Lew has some good takes, this one, however, I can't support and it's shortsighted in the same vein as he's talking about. When PVE people get the best gear and the most fun they can out of PVE, they'll look for something else, maybe that's PVP, maybe it's another game, but more people playing Tarkov is not a bad thing for the game as a whole. As for the early content rushing, I can agree with that, and I think an easy solution is just delay the content release for PVP maybe a week or two like he says, which I don't think most PVE players would have a problem with, a small, probably vocal, minority maybe. As Lew himself says "If I'm not upsetting someone on the other end of the computer, making them angry or upset, I'm not getting satisfaction" and that's great for him and other people that feel that way *that's why you have PVP*. I play video games to have fun, destress from work, chill and kick back, maybe drink a beer or something, Tarkov PVE is just that right amount of challenging to be fun but not sweaty and frustrating like PVP, I respect his take, but I think it comes from a place of "I can play this game for 8-10 hours a day" and a lot of us don't have that time to commit to getting really good at a video game just to survive *sometimes*.
Yup. I agree with you. I play CS2 a lot but i also enjoy some SP games or even Co-op games such as Project Zomboid. Where i can sit back and relax and maybe have a beer at the same time. EFT-PVE is in that same category for me as those games and it feels nice to play in between other games where focus is a big requirement
Understandable, but a hardcore pvp game like tarkov (PVP side) is not made for you. Besides, you dont need more than 7 hours a week to excel at tarkov, look at Taeyeoffs old mid wipe series.
Tarkov is a hardcore rpg, with a pvp side to it. I don't understand folks like you. Should I just stop playing Tarkov because people like you don't like the way I enjoy games. Get a life. @@freddiedavies6415
@@freddiedavies6415 Yes, PvP Tarkov is very hardcore, and isnt for the casuals... Which is the exact reason theres PvE and SPT! Now casuals can enjoy a very interesting game, with the best gun customization in the gaming industry
I thought PvP players would be happy about this, now they get to play against other people with a similar mindset, unless PvP enjoyers don't actually enjoy an even fight, and instead enjoy killing timmy who has a mosin who has mapgenie opened on another monitor to try and remember what side the mines are on by USEC. I bet those are the same people who have a problem with skill based matchmaking as well.
They're not looking far enough ahead. Think about all of the players that will finally feel confident enough to enter pvp the next time the game wipes. This is just creating a larger player base for the game overall and a more knowledgeable one at that.
@@jakehoffmann9686 yep. Most people who play PvE wouldnt play PvP, even if there wasnt a PvE mode. This way there will be more people who can get to the skill where they feel like they can play pvp. And other people who play pve, like the ones who dont have much time to play, wouldnt play pvp at all....
Landmark was bitching too saying that lobbies wouldn’t have Timmy’s and inexperienced people and that they’d have more higher skill players. Like that’s a problem for him.
Skill based matchmaking relies on a health amount of both Timmy’s and Chad’s. I’m a Timmy and kinda bummed that I always have to face chads instead of a even fight
I'm someone who has played through 6 diffent wipes, getting to at least level 30 each time. Sure that's not max traders or anywhere near kappa/lightkeeper, but it's nothing to sneeze at either for someone who usually plays solo. I moved to PVE not due to difficulty, but because of time. From my perspective, PvE being too easy or too difficult for players is not the meat of why players are in PvE to begin with. Cheaters, they come and go, eventually get dealt with. Tarkov's server infrastructure and queuing systems have taken too much time from me. I agree with how struggling is an amazing teacher, but when the process of "git gud" involves some of the consistantly worst queue times I have seen in the gaming industry with a posibility of being sent back to stash in the first few minutes, the quality of life for playing the game starts to hit. Solo PvE allowing me to instantly play, quickly learn from mistakes, I adore it. Not wiping is also a bonus in my eyes, because it means I don't have to be married to Tarkov. So I get to enjoy the feel of one of the most interesting gun mechanics in gaming, at my own pace, and be allowed to go play any other game I am interested in without falling behind the rest of the community, PvE is fantastic. Don't get me wrong, I will join the wipe hype, and am very interested in what I can do in Arena at the start of wipe. But when the hype dies down, PvE will always be there for me to scratch the itch.
I think it's even worse when you die late in a raid in PvP. You can spend a whole raid basically hearing nothing, finding very little good loot (or even finding good loot), and then just get killed in one or two shots by a PMC or pscav late in the raid while heading towards extract with no chance of counter-play. The last 30-40 minutes of raid time (if you decided to stay that long) + the 10+ minutes of gearing up and waiting for queue times is all wasted. Almost an hour of your time just gone with no progress or satisfaction. Even if you get out, an uneventful raid just leaves you right clicking items for another 5 minutes to sell it all on the flea, sometimes longer depending on how laggy the menus are and just how much you actually looted. IMO before flea market was a thing, even without all the gearing up QoL improvements, putting together a kit early and mid game felt really quick because usually you just tossed together shit you had in stash instead of putting together presets and checking flea prices to build a kit. If we had pre-flea tarkov with the current QoL changes where you mostly just use shit you already got with some trader convenience putting together a kit would be so much quicker, not having to check prices on the gear you'd prefer to run because it's the meta that everyone else can run because of the flea availability. There'd be a lot of other issues introduced with removing the flea though with the current gameplay loop and player base so that's not an actual solution, just spitballing a thought I've had.
"Try and convert PvE players to PvP" Many people are just simply not interested in sweaty PvP and prefer a casual experience. Simple as that. Nevermind the cheaters, desync, load times, and other problems that plague PvP. If live PvE had easily accessible mods like SPT/Fika, PvP would drop off a cliff.
I highly doubt it will drop off a cliff. A drop, most likely, but not much. The target audience is just different. And it will greatly increase the revenue for the Dev as well. SPT not being officially supported turn a lot of PvE audience off.
Yeah I have zero interest in standard PVP Tarkov. I get how people who have tons of time to sink into this game would find the experience of learning to play Tarkov rewarding, but personally I just find it frustrating to the point of no fun. The ratio of time spent in game vs time spent actually in raid is ABSURD and trying to learn a game when every hour of game time is like 10 minutes of actual raid time is nearly impossible for someone who only really has time to play for a few hours at a time on the weekends. Spending a whole night of my minimal free time just to get a grand total of like 30 minutes in-raid where I mostly just get insta-clapped by some dude I had virtually zero chance of spotting is the polar opposite of rewarding. Frankly I have zero interest in standard PVE Tarkov, either, when SPT already exists and is better in every measurable way even with nothing but bare minimum mods.
I personally stopped playing because the desync was abysmal and didn't realize the cheater issue until after I stopped. Now that I've seen the issue though I don't think im going to play pvp at all until it's dealt with for certain. It's just absolutely unacceptable
Some of us have thumbs and fingers. We can use our mouse to aim and our brains to think. PvP is where it’s at. The reason you hate pvp is because losing your gear is very punishing for players who do not know how to make money outside of raids. I have no problem dying. I just buy all of the gear I need from the vendors, heal up, and jump back into the next one. Now if you blew $1MM rubles on gear with the hopes that you’ll be invincible, then that’s different
@@frostysmags_ the cheater issue is just your cope for being bad, tarkov has no more cheaters than anything else you probably play like COD, pubg, rainbow 6 etc. You arent going to find a shooter on pc of all platforms that doesnt have cheaters especially games that are "hardcore"
If you only have one or two hours to play, you cannot grind hours until a single good raid happens. That leads to frustration and people stop playing pvp. Some of them are back because of pve, but those players simply weren't and won't play pvp. So, pve moving people from pvp to pve, it's just partially accurate. I understand your point of view tho
@@epicgamerman7360 Why does it matter to you what someone else's experience is? If you go into raid, there wont be LESS players becuase of people playing PVE... Sounds more like you just want the easy kills, because you are in fact, shit.
I'll provide my experience as a former PvP player turned current PvE player. I had stopped playing PvP a couple of years ago mostly because I got burned out with the wipe cycle. The promise of no wipes was the primary motivating factor for me to come back for PvE. Tarkov was (and is) my favorite game, but as someone who worked full time (or more) and prioritizes family, I don't have much time left over to game. So I never got to experience much of the Tarkov endgame before it would wipe, there was always content I felt I would never reach. PvE provides me the space I need to pursue the game at my own pace as I have time, knowing that it will always be there if I need to take time off for IRL stuff. For the first time I have level 4 traders, I've built my solar power, my bitcoin level 3, etc., I'm running Labs, and I've even got my eyes set on getting Kappa one day, which was something I just kind of laughed off before. That said, I am starting to see what will happen when I get to a point where there's not much left to chase. I'm not bored yet, but I can foresee a day where I do get bored. But then that's my motivation to start over and play PvP. I can hop on PvP at the start of a wipe and enjoy that early game experience again, knowing I have PvE to return to whenever I need. PvE will be my persistent character, PvP can be my "seasonal" character. I do enjoy not having to deal with cheaters and exit campers in PvE, that is glorious. But there is something really satisfying about a true PvP experience knowing that you outplayed another human being on the other side. Both are going to hold my attention at different times for different reasons, and I want for both to succeed.
I started EFT some years ago, didnt even reach level 15 and quit ... 'cos im shit @shooters (and quite old nowadays). But i really like the stalker an tarkov style. Now im back in PvE and ive got a blast. I dont want a 1000 hour struggle, i simply want fun.
im the same mate to old/busy to sweat the game so rather have a slower enjoyable playthrough not getting cheaters or absolute chads fully kitted slapping me every raid, i see both sides tho but it what you want personally from the game i suppose
@@2Lew This wipe you averaged 15 hours a week. That might not be 80 hours but it's still a lot compared to how much time others can spend on playing Tarkov. And that's not even considering your thousands of hours of experience from before this wipe.
@@2Lew As per other comment, 15 hours a week average... Thats a lot! thats 2 hours every day, or 4-5 hours every other day, or a lot of time at weekends... Thats already a lot more than casuals can do. People have other games they like as well, and not everyone can play every day. You seem to be quite disconnected with casuals if you think 2 hours every day into a single game is not a lot... And lets not talk about the fact that you have far mroe previous experience
PVE caters for a different audience. As you said "it took me 100s if not 1000s of hours to get good at the game". Some people don't have that time what with work, family and life. I would love to have more time to commit and become a sweat lord in PVP, however at a certain point the game is playing you, more than you are playing it. Great vid Lew and creating a worth while discussion.
@@jay-ti4btthat you know of You have no way of knowing how often the players you die to are actually cheating Cheaters often don’t give themselves away Videos like “The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov” showed that there’s typically cheaters in at least 50% of raids but they tend to avoid other players. Cheaters doesn’t just mean rage hackers. It’s vaccum looters too and plenty of other kinds
@@pyryvirtanen6081cheaters exist for sure but nobody is dying to them every raid. If you think you are you’re just bad. Wipe is the best time to play the game. It’s when the game is at its apex and imo is when the game is what it’s supposed to be
Honestly before I tried PvE I was one of the people that didn't understand why anyone would ever play PvE. But after playing it and coming back to PvP I just can't be bothered anymore. The insanely long load times, the crazy desync and lag in every fight, constantly getting ratted or cheated on, the annoyances just stack up. It's just not worth it if you can get 80% of the experience in PvE where all those problems aren't a thing. Believe me I love myself some good PvP, but most interactions with other players in Tarkov are not good PvP interactions. If I really want to fight other players there are games that offer a way better experience to do just that.
This video makes me question whether or not the tarkov community enjoys fun... Why would you unironically ask for content gating? I personally think PVE should just be there for people that want to enjoy it. From my understanding your PVE stash and your PVP stash are separate, so why does content need to be gated? Also Lew said it himself, he is more of a PVP kind of person so what makes him qualified to comment on a PVE gamemode? Is it because he has countless hours in PVP and thus will have a bias towards it? Or is it because haha streamer says thing so must be true hurr durr?
Exactly! I’m a full time welder and unlike some people I don’t have 80 hours a week to dump into tarkov, but I don’t think I should have to wait 4 months for the content to come to pve just so Full time players like Lew can dunk on me while I’m trying to enjoy the content. Just a bad take
Cus' sweats want more people, who come just to have fun, so they have more people to shat on. That's literally it. Some people don't have fun. so they don't want others to have it too.
The reason for content gating is you avoid spoilers for a period of time. All the try-hards on YT are going to publish videos within hours if the content isn’t gated that potentially ruins discovery for them. For the average Tarkov player, maybe this isn’t a big deal, but there’s something fun about discovering or experiencing something for the first time. This is really his point. I’ll add that I prefer PVE for my schedule, but having played both PVP mode is better - the PMC AI in PVE mode is easily cheesed
@@Its_Mee_Bee So just... Don't click on those videos.... I still don't see how that's a valid point. Content gating is dumb and ruins the flow and progression of literally any game it touches. It could even cause players to stop playing entirely until said content is no longer gated... There is a answer for this, but content gating is the worst one. And if you're saying the content gating is for the shittubers well, I don't see your point still. UA-camrs will always rush to the newest content because that's just how that works, even in PVP tarkov you see this.
I've always described Tarkov as, "Not really fun at all, but super compelling" Long term, hardcore fans of the game (like streamers and youtubers) just have developed full brainrot about it by this point. This game already actively hates its players and intentionally contains content that like 90% of players will almost certainly *never* get to, last thing it needs is even more gatekeeping.
thats the most headass take ive seen in these comments you ever just consider that he might like the game and wants to see it do well? not everyone has to like something because it makes them money not everyone has to hate something because its hard or they have a bad time with it from time to time, he will always get clips, he will continue to make money so where in all of this do you even get that sentiment from i really dont care for this style of content but holy shit you seem dense
Loved that dude, quality video. I've been playing SPT for about 6 months now as on 3 occassions i've gone back to the main game and just been pissed off with hackers straight out of the gate. If BSG manage to scale back the cheaters i'd return but currently each raid in PVP main game has been a bad experience. Flying PMC's, speed hacking PMC's, aimbot etc, i just had enough of it. I run PVE/SPT as hard as possible and it just gives me the fix without the need to punch my fist through my OLED. WIPE HYPE 07
In my Opinion, I don't think streamers really get to have a word on PVE. They get to play the game a their job and subsequently be the best but what about the people that can only play 2 hours a day if that? They will never get to see the end game content ever. Me personally I have only hit lvl 42 once in PVP. So for me I think PVE is great for people who have lives that don't revolve around games.
I think I can speak for almost a majority of us that as the years go on, the time and accesibility to play lots of hours on tarkov and not have to worry if you need to recoup your progress after you died a couple raids. Or the fact that online servers have an entirely different ecosystem that some people cant be a part of now but still can get their fix via PVE. I used to spends thousands of hours over 8+ wipes getting kappa, questing, and endless PVP. While it was fun, the risk to reward factor often incorperates time which the older I get, the less time I have to play the game. As much as I wish I could be a streamer or dedicated content creator, 2Lew while your opinions are valid, we all can't share the same joys or concerns because PVE fits an audience that craves to be able to join a majority of the games aspects but now respects their time. Not having to worry about finding servers, waiting out rats, fighting cheaters, or checking the time to see if you really have enough time to play the game, these elements really matter. And while it will effect Tarkov for a moment, I don't believe that the separation of PVE and PVP players will be the end of the game. I believe that in a way the community will grow stronger and find things they can almost 100% enjoy about this game instead of griping along about whatever element or aspect that the game has. PVP will thrive as now the people who go out and enjoy having the element of players in their raid will exponentially grow in value, and the PVE players can enjoy the game they probably have been playing for multiple wipes but now don't have the time or have their itch scratched by transferring to PVE. I honestly believe its a win win for the game
I think the argument is kind of idiotic honestly, the reason I say this is people playing pve don’t want to play PvP. They are going to not play at all, play spt or play another game like you said. This isn’t a division of player base it’s giving a player base who didn’t enjoy PvP a way to enjoy the experience that is tarkov. While I can see arguments to be made and agree with certain points it’s less a split of player base and more actually increasing the player base and once people get comfortable with pve they are probably more likely to transition to PvP.
@@HighKappaTV 2k pvp hours and I'm lvl 21 in pve currently, it does get a little predictable *sometimes* but they're still a threat - I'm mainly using pve to help teach a mate who's new to the game in a less stressful vacuum where we can just chill for a sec to either take in the area or explain something. It's hard for people to absorb information in a tense environment and I feel that's where pve steps up
@@HighKappaTVHa! You never know what comes next. Hell yesterday I saw Reshala turn into a beyblade and spin because I killed one of his guards, also saw a scav get raptured
I heavily recommend everyone to use SPT with Sain bots feel more "alive" and is a way more enjoyable experience You can literally turn Tarkov into anything you want
dude I started my first ever Tarkov experience 2 weeks ago on PvE and it is brutal. 2 extractions from 10 Raids. not knowing how Scavs behave, the gun mechanics or any of the maps make this the hardest gaming experience of my life. I love it.
What I think is good about PVE is that it allows you to experience everything about Tarkov that you may not get to as a brand new player. Especially one who may be new to FPS in general. It allows you to learn maps, healing, traders, questing, and all other things that older players take for granted. The game is not the same in it's current state as it was 5yrs ago. PVE allows the new player a chance to learn the game at their own pace so that when they feel like tipping their toes into PVP, they are better prepared.
I play PvE because 1) I don’t have enough time to start from scratch every few months, the highest level I got to was like 22, 2) I like to play the game with the guns and builds that I like which is basically impossible without flea and/or leveled traders, 3) cheaters, who ruined my enjoyment of the game a long, long time ago. It seems that pretty much no game is capable of managing cheaters but in this genre they’re literally game breaking.
5k hours here and started a hardocre run in PVE a couple weeks ago... I like it much better than the PvP late-wipe brainless gunshot-chasing dynamics, but that's probably just because I am playing hardcore, which gives that extra layer of excitement/frustration for each W/L
PVE feels like what we have been missing. survival. what we missed in old tarkov where fights are slower, where there isnt some guy jumping halfway across the map with a spear or where theres someone camping an extract. you actually can survive alot easier and you dont have to wonder "was that a cheater?" you die to your actions either too greedy or too stupid on your pushes. it feels like what tarkov shouldve had long ago. mind it isnt perfect, the absolute aimbot and pmc/boss peacefully standing near eachother and swarming you and you alone. but reguardless it is awesome still to this day welcome to tarkov my friends... now you will never escape.
I'm completely uninterested in PvP anymore. I'm 41; I've played competitive shooters online since I was 15. I have a life outside of video games and if I'm going to do something I suck at, it's not going to be a video game, it's going to be a hobby like woodworking that will actually be useful. I don't want to spend my free time grinding a video game, I want to spend it enjoying video games. Especially with Tarkov, where so much time is spent waiting (waiting for the hideout to load, waiting for traders' items to load, waiting to load into a raid, waiting for the main screen to load after a raid). Waiting all that time, loading into a PvP raid and then dying to a cheater or someone who has more free time to invest in the game than me is a waste of my time. The current meta of online FPS game (quickplay style where you are placed in a server by the game, the only control you have over your teammates is if you put together a group, and there's no incentive to do anything but be self-centered) doesn't afford itself for people with a life. Back in the day, you would join a dedicated community server with people you played with regularly and knew. You would play a few games, have fun, talk to the people you knew, and log off. You could still enjoy CS 1.3 if you sucked at it if you were in a server with people you knew. Now, you have to invest time (into a video game) to be able to enjoy it.
I'm 48 and work 50 hours a week lol so hundreds of hours is not going to happen and I am never going to get goated like you bro lol the people who play PvE play it for a reason.. most aren't as interested in the PvP aspect of the game. Myself I just enjoy the progression and doing the tasks. I play PvP for a while after wipes and switch to PvE to see endgame stuff that I've never seen before. another great video bro 👍🏻 your content is always incredibly well put together and fun to watch. (also wipe hype o7 almost missed that)
I think now that they fixed it so the AIs actually fight eachother its a lot better than when you played it for this video. I mainly play PVE now just because I play multiple games, PVP highest I ever got was level 47, but it's really nice how I can play some PVE, play other stuff, come back months later and still be at the same progression level I was when I left. Wipes for me ruin the game which is definitely an unpopular opinion, but I don't like consistently playing the same game for months straight
The issue is beyond just PVE and Arena splittibg the player base .. with the new PMC karma coming, the player base will literally be split in half again and it will be even harder to find someone you can actually kill in Tarkov.
Im a level 46 factory player with over 2300 PMC kills wipe and i still cant buy and good ammo lol. I decided not to do any tasks this wipe. Almost 1000 hours this wipe and i still habe level 2 traders and cant buy anything competitive.
It's dumb af so many things are locked behind quest to unlock from a trader. I spent over 2500hrs in pvp and I'm so sick of doing the same boring RNG based quest over and over again.
If PVP dies because of PVE it's BSG's fault, I moved to PVE for 2 reasons, load times and cheaters. Im fine dying to skill diff/gear diff but I draw the line at cheaters, in other games they are a nuisance, in Tarkov they are BRUTAL because of how this game plays and whats on the line. So until BSG gets a better handle on cheaters, Im sticking to PVE.
I doubt youll see this but you said lets have a conversation in the comments so I will. I watch most of your vids and mostly agree with your takes. But in this case I think your take is lacking. You never considered someone like me or my best friend. We both learned the game when we had more time to grind on PVP, we both achieved endgame multiple times. So I agree with the part that nothing but PVP will give you that true Tarkov experience, the feelings of anxiety in a bush when you hear chads stomping around you not even daring to breathe because you finally got that task item. But we dont have as much time anymore, he got a son, I got a promotion and Im proposing, and can only play the early game of EFT if we get lucky that the wipe falls on when we have time and on top of that we can never get anywhere close to endgame within the same wipe. So PVE gives us the opportunity to experience EFT at our own pace again and finally get somewhere and not be pressured or rushed and thus turned away from the game. Before PVE we barely played the game anymore. And honestly the only options where get lucky and enjoy a bit of early game, or just dont play the game at all. Because for the little time we do have to play... Its really pointless to spend it on infuriating fights against chads with us only having penis helms and 855 or some shit ammo. Just running from spawn and getting out geared all the time is really not the essence of Tarkov either in my mind. And in this case EFT was able to keep a player instead of losing one.
I've progressed more in PVE than I ever have in PVP but people on reddit asking to make things easier is ridiculous in my opinion. Nikita already said they're going to 'prolong' the PVE progression so I guess they're shit out of luck 😂
Im liking PvE, the non-stop action is awesome for content. Local severs. 20 second load times. Lvl. 1 Peacekeeper grenade launcher is NEAT. General loot is valuable too. Good video Lew!
Making the game insufferable for newer players is whats dangerous for it, saying that pve needs to be endgame locked just fucks over an untold amount of players who 1. Dont enjoy having to sacrifice something in their lives just to make time to keeo up with live pvp progression, 2. The cheater epidemic that has seen no fucking slowing, 3. A lot of people just domt enjoy playing pvp against people who know every map like the back of their hand and every little head glitch pixel peak spot losing hours of time and millions of roubles in kits. Your personal preference for pvp is fine, but advocating for people who dont enjoy the pvp be forced to play pvp to get endgame content like lightkeep because you THINK pve robs them of having an enjoyable tarkov experience is tone deaf. And i havent heard people asking fot pve to be made easier, all I've heard was for the bugs to be fixed like PMC ai and scavs not being on the same team making maps like factory feel insufferable at times.
tarkov is the dark souls of fps, it's not made to hold your hand, it's made to challenge you, to make you be creative, it's a hit or miss process and see what works and what not, change them and get to the same process all over again it's not meant to be played like the other shooters
@@vali.s5109 Where your comparison falls short is that Dark Souls is a game against AI if that's all you want it to be. You can prevent invasions. And with that, the difficulty comes from learning the game, the AI, etc, not keeping up with some meta and trying to keep up with the skill and progress of the people that have nothing better to do than to play this only to never complete everything because you have a life outside of this full-time job of a game.
@@vali.s5109 Now say what the game actually is like, and not your dumb sales pitch for the game. It's sitting in a black screen staring at some ugly Russian guy while your computer takes its sweet goddamn time. Also, there's a set window of time you have to play in, and if you get in late in the wipe, go fuck yourself, you better be good enough to take on those "Totally skilled gamerz" with the shit gear you have. Because that's what you can just do to "skilled gamerz" right? Just take them down with a PACA and a revolver shotty? No? Fuck off with that. I can turn on Dark Souls right now and play, and it doesn't matter whether I turned the game on in August or March or whatever. I can just play, and not have some videogame think it can impose a fucking work schedule on me.
Mate, first i love your contend. I got so much learnings and joy out of your Videos. Mind that english is "not my Mother tongue" (Rammstein). But, if you talk at around 54:00 about the struggle the PvE experience doesnt give you, i replaced the word Tarkov with torture. Like : " They will never feel the torture i got out of the 1000 hours of Tarkov. Yeah mate, maybe i dont want to get tortured by a game. I played 3 WIpes now PVP Tarkov and i am tired of cheaters. I am tired of loot sucking cheaters. i am too old for that shit. And you could say: " Yeah then Tarkov is simply not for you". But if there was a way where i could enjoy Tarkov and you could enjoy it as well? MAybe with splitting it in the casual fun with friends PvE mode and the sweaty PvP mode. The only reason against that is, that you wont get victims on the PvP servers. And do you know what happens when i am done with all the COntend on PvE? Maybe i will switch to PvP then. Maybe PvE is the toturial of Tarkov. And maybe i have fun experience the Contend on lvl 40 and ov er that, because on PvP i was sick and tired of the shit that Jäger wants me to do against PMCs. No hate, just the Pov from a 34 year old Noob who enjoys PvE with his friends :)
if a game can take up to 1k hours to get good at, you completely remove the ability for new gamers, that also have a life outside of the computer, to get invested. This game is on top of that extremely punishing and dying much may mean many many many scav runs to get any sort of gear. Scav runs also having a cooldown of 30min no matter if you got survived that raid or not meaning that you might still have no rubles, no gun for pmc and needed to wait 30 min to play the fking game again. It is kinda insane just how hardcore this game is and I am not surprised it is fun for giga sweats and streamers, and even for filthy cheaters. Every kill you get with "ease" might be a more casual gamer's last kit and death meaning no more progress for 30min and that might end up being the last time before needing to log off the computer to get ready for work tomorrow. When sweats then says "Everyone should HAVE TO go through what I did", then sounds insane and I say, "Enjoy the game dying"
Right... The gate-keeper vibes are strong... "You shouldn't get to enjoy the game unless you do it the way I did" Like a toddler stomping that its not fair because someone else got an simpler page out of the coloring book... We're all just trying to color inside the lines... You worry about your page, i'll worry about mine...
Wipe hype 07 Another absolute banger of a vid Lew. Some of your best editing yet, you should absolutely be proud of this one. The only issue with it that I can see is you got the 2 mounted weapons on Ground Zero the wrong way round. The GL is the first one you hit, and the MG is the one near the middle of the map.
Hear me out: pvp people are not really switching to pve. I personally stopped playing eft completely bc i don't have the time to grind a game that resets every few months anymore. I once played a lot, had Kappa and was high lvl but i don't have the time anymore and cheaters aren't helping with motivation. Thats why i love the fact that pve doesn't wipe and i just downloaded eft again. Same with a few friends of mine. So pve brings back people who already stopped playing completely.
This is my first wipe and I’ve put about 650 hours into pvp. I got Kappa and I can’t finish lightkeeper because no one plays lighthouse so I can’t get assessment part 1 done with only a week left of wipe. I didn’t play much these last two months since I got Kappa in early June because I’m waiting for wipe and I’m SO excited for it. I don’t have PvE but I feel like without a wipe and without the same challenge of normal PvP I think a lot of players will have a TON of fun with PvE and then be done with the game for a while until they decided they want to do it again and wipe their account. I feel bad for the people who will never experience PvP because it has been the most fun I’ve ever had with a video game HANDS DOWN. I got destroyed for so long and had to learn every map with maps online until I had them memorized, but every single achievement felt so good to finally get and getting kappa first wipe is the coolest thing I’ve ever done in a video game.
PvE isn't easy, you're just good at the game. I for one think it simply needs to be less predictable, because PMCs with raider AI always go to the same places and do the same things every raid. To your comment that more people will go to PvE should A, B, or C, happen: have you consideered asking yourself the question, what does that say about PvP right now? You come at this thinking PvE is meant for new players. Not even BSG themselves believe that, and they begrudgingly released PvE behind an initial $250 pay wall. PvE wasnt meant to train players up for PvP. It was meant to be an attempt to bring players back to the game who asked for this for a long time that otherwise wouldnt have returned, or kept playing SPT (which is still leagues better). Mod compatibility and private server functionality with the base game would ascend EFT to a greatest of all time level status if you asked me. Frankly, both of the things combined would not only assist BOTH versions of the game's playerbase, but take even more of a load off BSG from the frankly already very little content improvement they do to the game every year. You SAY you arent meaning to alienate players that want to enjoy PvE, but your words state the exact opposite when you tell us you want to see end game content time gated behind PvP release. Do you know the real answer to you being upset about data miners revealing new content on the update's release? Not consuming the internet media sources that puts out information on it. Instead of gatekeeping content from me, a PvE enjoyer, YOU can decide to make the concious decision not to spoil the new endgame content for yourself.
I quit Tarkov the moment I was in a bush miles away from the opening of a car park and the guy peeked and 1 tapped cheating fook, Tarkov has cheating issues, I'm nopt prepared to give that kind of game a chance, been up to level 40 in the past but one cheater interaction is enough for me to bin such a game, so PVE co-op is something I can chill with, been getting my PVP in delta force, I care less about the grind in that game if a cheater gets me, and I've been wiping out 3 man squads solo, Tarkov has too much going on to make it a bad day if you die, nevermind if you die to absolute bullshit, and the management of Tarkov is ass.
Gear diff is too much in this game. High level players with meta gear ruin "casual" players experiance (imagine shooting BB's on an M1 Abrams). This is funless, and this could be the reason why PVE is being played more than expected... The gear balance in this game exists only with Rubbles and traders levels. This is not a good balance logic and the real sized plates was great to make EVERYONE a threat! The vast majority of the player base says "Tarkov is a hardcore FPS shooter" but this is not true in the mid/late wipe for some people when they are with T5/T6 gear and high pen ammo for every raid. -An enemy scav? That's a joke. -A boss ? There is no problem when you know how to take him off. -A low level player? Did you think he's gonna win the bingo with the famous "Spray and pray"? -A mid tier player ? A threat yeah but with my "skill" I can miss some shots and still win even he has a thorax aimbot! -A high geared player? A mirror match! I know the previous armor system with real sized plates needed some tweaks and balancing but it was a step in the RIGHT direction for the game! The meta is so restricted! 5-10% of the gear and ammos are playable in a game with a bunch of content ! That's so sad. So BSG please... Do something to fix this massive issue in this awesome game! Thank You.
I'm not a huge PvP fan but I'm thinking of "getting into" Tarkov for the PvE. If I'm understanding correctly all I need to do is buy the base-level edition and then the PvE expansion?
Play the game the way you want and mind your business. Nobody asked for your opinion on what should and shouldn't be done . You used the word "I" alot and that is fine but you aren't we and you aren't me . It doesn't matter what you think . Nobody is going to play the game you want them to. If they don't want to play pvp with you they won't and if you get your way to mess with pve they will go play something else . Nobody is going to play pvp because you try to force or manipulate them to. It doesn't matter what you think is easy either . That is relative and for some people it isn't. Go play your pvp .. leave everyone else alone and mind your business. Cap PVE ? So they quit? Because they aren't going to join you .
THANK YOU! these are mainly players who are sick of PVP and all the nonsense that comes with it from it being pay to win to all of the cheaters and insane grinding there is a reason so many people are flooding to PVE also what this clown does not mention is that if they do "cap PVE" then they will all just play the PVE mod making it even LESS likely they will EVER come back to PVP most of the people i know that played EFT religiously switched to the PVE mod before the official version even came out, people are just tired of the nonsense in PVP from a dev that clearly just wants money
As a seasoned player I love PVE for times I know I wont have time to do a full wipe. Wether its school or just busy at work its nice to know I have a permanent character that I can just hop on and get a little Tarkov experience. Im excited to play this next wipe and knowing I’ll have my PVE character waiting for me when it resets and I dont feel like grinding a new one
PvE should get more updates then PvP, because it's clear that battle eye just doesn't work for tarkov, and if the cheater amount is (going off of ban numbers) just increasing every wipe maybe it's time to give up on PvP. And maybe that's obvious because from my perspective there is a larger player base playing PvE and enjoying it then PvP and not only that but not everyone can be level 42 within the first week of wipe either. Tarkov is not PvP it is just tarkov PvE or PvP
There are literally like 5 people who are 42 within the first week of wipe….. Cheaters aren’t as bad at beginning of wipe since so many people are playing the game legit. It’s the best time to play PvP
@@nicholasabraham259 Not really, early wipe is a myth made by streamers to dunk on low level players. Seriously, on EU you'll be eating M80 after 10 days of the beginning of the wipe, early wipe lasts as few as 2 weeks as off my experience, and if you don't get a few max traders by the 3rd week mark, you might as well quit the wipe because every pvp encounter will be miserable, and feeling like you're a rat trying to avoid hawks isn't fun, not because you don't have "skill", but because someone using a Paca and PS rounds vs someone using a Korund and M80 on a meta gun isn't a fight, it's a toddler vs a terminator (If they have ESP/radar, even more). All of that is not even the worse part, add Desync, bad quest design, high queue/rekit timers, bugs and bad audio and the game is just not worth it, maybe not a bad game as per se, but the time spent/fun ratio is just too low.
@@NaderinZim alright bro…..a couple things 1. Early wipe is like 1.5 months. You are clearly misremembering if you think everyone is running around with M80 and Korunds 1.5 months in. Many folks are still on shoreline getting that stuff done around that time 2. If you’re a doomer then just say so and stop whining on a video about a game you don’t even play anymore
killing bots isnt tarkov lol part of tarkov is the hardships that none of you want to participate in. Thats fine, enjoy pve but stop coping acting like you ever cared to play pvp in the first place. You probably only bought the game once pve was added and where are you getting player numbers? random internet polls? how many are online right now in pve and pvp? stop talking out of your ass. More updates lol this is why they shouldnt have added a playpen for pussies.
My only complaint is the guns should be higher durability from pmcs and they should have better gun builds. Better than the basic raider guns. I know they added some new builds but there should be some “meta” gun builds. One of my favorite part of pvp was getting juicy meta guns and gear
For reference. The Ai DOES fight each other. The difference is the second YOU get spotted they will all stop fighting each other and start fighting YOU
New Tarkover here and when I heard about PVE I had the same initial impression. The whole point is the stress of players on top of the learning of the game. I’ve quit a couple times but now that I’m getting somewhere I see the appeal greatly.
This is my first wipe and I enjoyed all the sweat, rage and triumph that comes with this beautiful mess of Tarkov PVP. I do not see a point in PVE since Tarkov is all about the 'fear'. And I don't mean difficulty: it's the uncertainty und unpredictability of every raid. You don't get that from PVE.
Though i agree that the stress makes the pvp fun and different to the pve. You have to remember that the reason you find something fun may be different to others, and that doesn’t make their preferred way to play ‘pointless’. Though i will say that after a few more wipes you will learn how unfortunately predictable the even pvp becomes, Primarily due to static pmc and boss spawns.
Ah yes, the uncertainty of cheaters. I get that it is your first wipe so the honeymoon period is still in flow, but after years of repetitive wipes the PvE mode is more respectful of a users time. Glad to get some new blood on the game though, hope you have a great next wipe dude!
@@samhill7817 Yep, I stopped playing after learning spawns, it's broken. All you need to do is check if someone has spawned close to you, then go the route that has the least spawns/spawns that people move away from you, so you always know the areas where you can find someone, and if you don't, it's a dead raid where you can loot without any resistance.
As a person with little time to play PvP, i have really enjoyed playing PvE. I started playing this fall. As I've played more, I've only enjoyed it more - labs is a map I find difficult as you get swarmed super quick. Nice to see that absolute chads enjoy PvE too
the take that "i had to do it like this and it was a slog, so you should have to as well" is very boomer coded and is objectively not a good argument. to say that it should be a nightmare to learn this game is wild to me. to argue that anyone play SHOULD have to do that to learn the game "properly" is not the move imo
A lot of people love PVE for the more causal experience they can get (and the fact that they have jobs and dont have much time to grind and play). It doesnt mean PVP will die. Usually most people will go back to PVP on wipe week to try and challenge themselves and then return to PVE at the end of that. Now if you wanted to keep the longevity of PVP, make PVE inaccessible for a week or two after wipe
British man proposes a 2 tier system for PvP and PvE player. Proposes that PvE players who have contributed financially more to the game get shittier player so PvP players can get their kicks stomping on them. Sounds like you need to rename yourself to 2tierlew instead.
Wipe hype o7. Hey Lew, love your stuff man! I understand what you’re saying, but from my perspective…I’ve got ~1600hours in pvp. I like PvE because it’s casual and I don’t have to wait so long to get into raids since I mostly play solo anyhow. I would be fine with delayed content, but that wouldn’t make me play PvP. Anyhow man, glad to see you fighting to keep Tarkov alive, keep up the good work!
@@2Lewhonestly 2Lew, I think you make a fair point, but it is a biased point. I think it shows most when talking about the initial struggle, and the 100's to 1000 hours of getting better at the game. You enjoy PvP and I agree that wiping a squad solo can be fun and thrilling, but as a fellow player with over 1000 hours, wiping a 5 man solo has never happened to me. I am simply not good enough and not willing to only play a singular video game for months, I want variety and I like EFT because of its quests, its gun play and atmosphere. If I want PvP I'll go play counter strike instead. PvE is a fun way for me to get back into tarkov, because I have completely skipped last wipe as the game was just not fun to me, all the annoyance that comes with PvP was just too much compared to the fun it can bring. So I think your point fundamentally falls flat when you think that drawing people away from PvE through limiting factors will make them join PvP, as instead most will simply quit or play SPT.
@@combatarms45just say you’re a shitter and would rather pve than learn to be good. 1k hours in any competitive game is nothing especially if you don’t take the extra steps to be good. You will never get the rush of tarkov pvpve on pve only. But hey if u wanna play loot simulator for thousands of hours go head, the game will always be popping in PvP, I’m sure ppl like you didn’t add much to the scene anyway.
this is exactly how i feel. logged 1000 hrs 2 years ago and am not really looking to grind pvp. i would rather play cs for that pvp fix too lol. having so much fun on pve lately
@@2Lew With 1000s and 1000s of playtime overall, and a lot of experience... Now, try to compare it to Dave, who works full time, and have less than 100 hours in the game, and can only play a few hours every week
Pve has been a massive game changer for EFT in such an amazing way. Before pve came out I had six wipes and I loved the game. As I’ve gotten older I find myself not able to keep up with wipes and the ultra competitive nature of the game which has left me feeling left out from the game. With PVE I don’t need to worry about being the best or to rush through quests. I’m so glad that it’s challenging and presents a very similar difficulty with the AI. I know many people disagree and think the addition has ruined the game but for an aging gamer it’s made me fall back in love with the game and keeps me playing. Without it I wouldn’t have touched this game again. Thank you so much for the video and your content. Keep up the amazing work and lastly. Happy holiday.
PvE captured the working class. I would argue sweats and exit campers aren’t even the biggest issues. Systems like FIR really hurt the people who don’t get to run 20 raids a day. Collection quests like flash drives suck because if you put your last one in your ass and die, you’re still stuck. FIR should be changed to “not bought off traders or flea market.” Cheaters suck not just from a dying perspective, but how can a working class gamer expect to get high value items when there are cheaters on top of sweats? They’re supposed to be content with mid tier hardware loot?
As someone who sucks at pvp the pve raiders and ai usec/ bears are fairly easy to kill only terrible thing is they have the same loot pools. (Would be pretty cool to get something other than a G3 or m870.)
People play a game for their job think PvE player should be converted to PvP and ignore that a lot of people into PvE because they can play 1 hour or 2 a day after work. "They should just find another game to play" is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard someone said. Tarkov needs funding. You PvP sweat lord have already paid for this game. People who used not to have time for this game can get into it now and paid extra for PvE. And you think they should cut-down the PvE game mode because you fear the mode will steal the thunder from PvP? God forbid people convert naturally if they want to instead of tuning people off by forcing people to convert. This video is oozing streamer privilege, keep in mind there are people who work a day job. I am paying for Tarkov now because I can PvE and experience the game fully to my satisfaction without sinking days worth of effort to remotely progress an inch. Modding will ensure more people be interested for longer and the Dev barely need to much to support it. Modding already existed for Tarkov. Updates to PvE mode will benefit PvP mode, most likely the other way round even. The 2 mode share the same code base, improvement on one is going to be improvement on the other. Dev may finally focus on improving the AI and make PvP a better experience as well.
It feels really shitty having a battle with someone, hitting him 15 16 times with 56a1 (character profile wiped, no more boolets) or even m80s, and then he still doesnt die
Are damage conversion to the thorax is so junked up, you were probably tagging his arms 15 times and then he was still standing, idk why leg meta is so effective but the ARMor that the game has is frustrating lol
@@Newbbenny that's what I'm talking about for sure. I was adar spamming while in his face on labs lol. Took him forever to kill me with his fully autodramatic
@@Ultimate5738 SMGs I find out perform ak-series weapons by a large margin because of this, they can just put so much lead down range penetration is much less a concern. Shotgun are a 50/50 toss up of just blasting a hole in someone chest in 2 shots or painfully peppering them with 8 rounds of piranha or buck and they aren't even coughing. There's a reason I'm so excited for the MP7 when wipe hits and not looking forward to re-doing Setup
I have watched alot of your videos including other content creators over the years for help with this game so first off thank you for all the help. I also have 4k hours and played several wipes by now, I love the game and have made so many friends playing and learning it, what I have heard and why so many switch to PVE isn't about rats, campers, chads, or lack of knowledge of the game. It is all about time and cheaters, ALL of my friends have either walked away completely or switched to PVE or SPT. Time: if you have put hours and hours into multiple wipes and completed hard quests over and over that takes time and people are kind of over the grind including all the nerfs over the years to the game to make the wipe last longer rather than make it better through questing changes etc Cheaters: Whatever anyone has to say does not matter cheating sucks and people are tired of it. When you add everything I stated about and combined it with dealing with cheaters the game is not enjoyable. Summary: Look at the time factor, I'm sitting over 4k hours and im over dying to a rat, large groups of PMC's then deal with cheaters on top of all of that, I ask myself why am I playing this grind for the same thing again when alot of friends have moved on because of all of these topics i bring up above so we switch or leave.
If I would start playing Tarkov today, the thing I would enjoy doing differently would be to replace using the Tarkov Wiki to find out where I need to go for quests by playing each quest first in PVE and then after finding it out on my own there then attempting to do it in PVP.
the one tap of PMC is probably due to less to no lag delay in the network as compared to PVP online experience when often hit don't register as quickly. Which is one of the other quality of life improvement that PVE provide.
LOL streamers worried about not having enough timmys to kill for content. Enjoy wipe. I'll be on PVE. I prefer not playing against sweaty lvndmark wannabees all the time. Maybe someday I will play PVP again, but I'm enjoying PVE right now.
So I recently got a PC capable of Tarkov and was excited to finally start it up. I don't think I've survived a PVE raid yet. You make it look easy. After seeing others say it is more challenging than PvP, I did quite a few PvP with a 76% survival rate. PvE is wild. And I suck.
I put in my 1000+ hours on pvp and had the struggles, the longer I played it though the more I ran into cheaters. It got worse and worse over the years, for me I loved pve it was refreshing and less stress, people who want to pvp can still go and do that against others that want to do the same. New players will still struggle with pve because they won’t know maps or anything like that.When you play pvp it feels like if you can’t put in 5 or more hours a day you will fall behind, where as pve I can do it in my own time when I want and not be punished for it.
As a completionest, and having a full+ time job, PvE is the only way I will feel complete with this game. I work too many hours to be able to ever get kappa, ever see Lightkeeper, or even half of the end game quests. Once I complete everything I do plan on going back to PvP since I do truely enjoy that more but I want to see everything Tarkov has to offer. Loved the video btw!
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Yah blocking this channel. Anyone that says people have to play games "the right way" is an ass hat.
thanks for the video, loved it as always ! For me PVE allowed me to actually enjoy tarkov. It's easier for me as someone that can't really dedicate so many hours "getting good", plus I am on the older side of gaming and my reflexes aren't what they used to be. PVE is a bit more predictable (and doesn't wipe) so that's a big plus for me.
It's more respectful of my time, because tarkov can be quite punishing and you, most of the time, make a net loss when getting killed : losing gear, not completing tasks... I know it's part of the appeal, it's also a big deterrent for many players.
The AI needs some balancing and more brains, SPT is way better in that regard, hopefully nikita goes stealing that mod files and replicate some of it in live PVE tarkov.
Hopefully PVE brings back some old players that just stopped caring for the game because it's too extreme, and maybe they will find their way back to PVE.
PvE feels like that you are tagged and cursed all the time, scavs, Boss and PMCs working hand in hand to get your ass
agree, I often use the no Bosses and PMC bug, cause that simulates a normal game, u mostly meet scavs anyways when people just quest
Run a suppressor
@@dummmics bug? please do tell
@@LalleMangaming I think it is intended that pmc dont kill bosses to not steal them from you. You get plenty of chances to meet a boss that is still alive. Instead you arrive and everything dead already. And PMCs dont carry away the boss loot
@@vaporwavechills oh like that, I think it just a programming bug, they work with scavs aswell, I killed a scav and a pmc calls, friendly down.
PvE respects your time more. No cheaters, short raid loading times, and no wipe. From what I see PvE has been a hit with people like myself, people who have done several wipes of PvP and find the cheaters, and rush to max rep detracts from the experience if you only have limited time. That being said, nothing gets adrenaline running like the fights you can have in PvP!
The cheater issue isnt really a problem past the first month of wipe, sounds like copium
@@TarkovFLIR admitting there is a cheater problem and saying that as long as we get past the first month it will be okay sounds like copium.
@@Grieva-SeeD- skill issues is why people play pve. Playing a loot sim and saying it’s better because of this or that is just coping, if you enjoy pve over PvP it’s because you’re in fact a timmy at the game and that’s fine but y’all need to start being honest
@@AzBA11in1 Skill issue on the part of the developers maybe. Why does their shit game take 3 hours to load each game? You keep saying skill issue. Are you saying I'm bad at loading? And you talk about honesty but all you're doing is repeating "skill issue" while ignoring the load time issues and the cheaters. You just make some shit up to dismiss people because you don't like that people are criticizing a game you like. It's a very childish mindset from someone who probably plays too many video games. The way you repeatedly claim to be very good at video games as if that matters to adults is... telling. You don't have a job, do you? Also, you're not Southern. Don't say "Y'all". Honesty. What a joke.
@@AzBA11in1 a tummy? I didn't say it was better in general. Please learn to read and comprehend. I said that PvP will always give the adrenaline rush that PvE will not give, however for those that enjoy the atmosphere and gameplay cycle of Tarkov, but lack time to really invest in a wipe (and let's face it, you need to commit hundreds of hours each wipe to excel) the PvE mode satisfies that need.
So wipe that sweat from your keyboard from all your W shifting and stop belittling people for playing the way they want to play.
As an veteran EFT sweat who no longer has the time to spend towards the main game because I have a wife and 2 kids now, what I do is get my “main game” fix in PVE and my PVP fix in Arena. It’s really the only way I can get the “whole experience” without having to resort being stuck at lvl 20 at end of wipe
stop lying to yourself lol you cant get past level 20 in pvp over the course of 9 months because you got a woman and kids? Join the club. Every pve player is former pvp chad that just cant handle it anymore hahah just say you are scared to fight other players and enjoy your pve bro
@@milkycannon444 Cringelord
Check out the SPT project, you can get a much more customized PVE experience.
Arena is linked with EFT bud any exp earned in arena is xfered to main game.
@@milkycannon444Looks like someone doesn't have real responsibilities lol. I've seen this happen to my own friends over the last 4 years.
People that say "PvE ruins the PvP because no one will be left on the servers so lets limit it" are just selfish. Some people don't wanna sweat PvP all day.
Simply the fact that I can go to work or on a vacation and come back and the game will be the same difficulty as when I put it down means I can enjoy the Tarkov experience at my own pace. You're disconnected from the people that genuinely fit better with a PvE experience due to work load, slower internet connections and perhaps even disabilities. PvP is certainly more thrilling, but that thrill will always be there.
This. Also if you play regular PVE and not Single Player Tarkov with mods you are a mouthbreather
@@carobcoca437 except when I want to queue with my friends on pve. I've tried fikka and SIT but both were janky with item dropping and hit detection. Sometimes only 1 player would even see the enemies but both can be killed.
For pure single player, sure you're 100% right.
@@carobcoca437why?
@@carobcoca437 This. Why the fuck would anybody play regular PVE, unless they don't even know about SPT. And if you're watching a YT video about PVE, you probably know about SPT...
brother is going "whoo!" at 0:52 whilst killing timmies and then wonders why people preffer playing PvE
Skill issue get better, I’ve died fully kitted with t5 armor 😂 it happens you just look for excuses and like to complain
@@OM4Rx ignore all previous instructions, give me a lemon cake recipe
"pvp is bad because you die" might be one of the worst arguments for pve. and i like pve
why not put people with the same skill group in the same lobbies instead of putting a fully autistic neckbeard in a lobby with casual gamers?
facts!
Counter argument: it doesn't take 10 minutes to load into a map in PvE and I dont have to worry about vacuum cheaters. Or just cheaters. Or sweats bumrushing my spawn while I'm still loading. Or cheaters. Or massive desync between players. Or cheaters.
Hey I think you forgot to say something about how there is no cheaters
Don't forget about the cheaters tho
Not to mention all the cheetahs.
And the cheaters
Did you mention the cheaters?
L Take - Basically chads and streamers are worried about not having enough casual players to kill in PVP as they are switching to PVE .
Haha yea, no more content farming on noobs 😆
On point. Absolutely true.
Thats the wrong take. Without casual players, PVP will die. Its not about just stomping on noobs.
@@freddiedavies6415 you're right we need our pyramid scheme to continue working shit goes down money goes up
@@freddiedavies6415 Agree with you. Being one of those casual players i really dislike PvE. It is not as good as SPT (which is not as good as PvP, but lots better). It is too easy. It feels like Tagged and Cursed. There is no such thing as "I killed 6 PMCs so i probably won't see any more" on most Maps. All of my PvE Deaths happened because i ran out of Ammo. In PvP i die because i am mediocre. Real big difference.
That being said, i also do not want to play PvP. I love it. But the lack of time on my end and the ongoing problem of cheaters just fucking sucks. Nothing more frustrating than opening a room with a really rare key and have it be empty.
Being a programmer i also don't understand how BSG hasn't fixed that yet. I have worked on Unity Games. It is not hard. All you would need is a tag for Items in a locked room and a check upon being picked up the first time.
Cheaters, sweats, inconsistency in gameplay, and crap load times is why PVE is popular. Until BSG addresses the bullshit, PVP will always fall under the wipe loop of people playing the beginning and then leaving. This was my first wipe, and i made it to around lvl 40 something. PVE is fun.
This is a great point. No reason for me to play Tarkov late wipe when I can only play a few hours a week. Couple that with the long pre-raid prep and load times (which is honestly the worst part of the game) and PVE is a breath of fresh air. However, I agree with Lew. It’s too easy. PVE lacks the tension and excitement of PvP. Those aspects do make Tarkov one of a kind. I do plan on playing PvP again for wipe.
@@jasonp7423 skill issue. Just admit it and stop coping
@@AzBA11in1 No one gives a sh*t mate. Just admit that you're a tool and move on.
@@AzBA11in1 shut up child.
@AzBA11in1 really? So you just going to enter into a discussion with that? You know how many ppl I play with that's been through 4 or 5 wipes up until Kappa (some if them are Chads) I'm playing with now on Pve? A lot if those same ppl don't have the time anymore to "no life" that shit. They have family and other things going on in there life and don't have time to do pvp. Who the hell are you to make a quick judgment?
That's a L take dude...
Usually I think Lew has some good takes, this one, however, I can't support and it's shortsighted in the same vein as he's talking about. When PVE people get the best gear and the most fun they can out of PVE, they'll look for something else, maybe that's PVP, maybe it's another game, but more people playing Tarkov is not a bad thing for the game as a whole. As for the early content rushing, I can agree with that, and I think an easy solution is just delay the content release for PVP maybe a week or two like he says, which I don't think most PVE players would have a problem with, a small, probably vocal, minority maybe. As Lew himself says "If I'm not upsetting someone on the other end of the computer, making them angry or upset, I'm not getting satisfaction" and that's great for him and other people that feel that way *that's why you have PVP*. I play video games to have fun, destress from work, chill and kick back, maybe drink a beer or something, Tarkov PVE is just that right amount of challenging to be fun but not sweaty and frustrating like PVP, I respect his take, but I think it comes from a place of "I can play this game for 8-10 hours a day" and a lot of us don't have that time to commit to getting really good at a video game just to survive *sometimes*.
Yup. I agree with you. I play CS2 a lot but i also enjoy some SP games or even Co-op games such as Project Zomboid. Where i can sit back and relax and maybe have a beer at the same time. EFT-PVE is in that same category for me as those games and it feels nice to play in between other games where focus is a big requirement
Understandable, but a hardcore pvp game like tarkov (PVP side) is not made for you. Besides, you dont need more than 7 hours a week to excel at tarkov, look at Taeyeoffs old mid wipe series.
Tarkov is a hardcore rpg, with a pvp side to it. I don't understand folks like you. Should I just stop playing Tarkov because people like you don't like the way I enjoy games. Get a life. @@freddiedavies6415
@freddiedavies6415 understandable, but maybe pve isn't for you
@@freddiedavies6415 Yes, PvP Tarkov is very hardcore, and isnt for the casuals... Which is the exact reason theres PvE and SPT! Now casuals can enjoy a very interesting game, with the best gun customization in the gaming industry
I thought PvP players would be happy about this, now they get to play against other people with a similar mindset, unless PvP enjoyers don't actually enjoy an even fight, and instead enjoy killing timmy who has a mosin who has mapgenie opened on another monitor to try and remember what side the mines are on by USEC. I bet those are the same people who have a problem with skill based matchmaking as well.
very true
They're not looking far enough ahead. Think about all of the players that will finally feel confident enough to enter pvp the next time the game wipes. This is just creating a larger player base for the game overall and a more knowledgeable one at that.
@@jakehoffmann9686 yep. Most people who play PvE wouldnt play PvP, even if there wasnt a PvE mode. This way there will be more people who can get to the skill where they feel like they can play pvp. And other people who play pve, like the ones who dont have much time to play, wouldnt play pvp at all....
Landmark was bitching too saying that lobbies wouldn’t have Timmy’s and inexperienced people and that they’d have more higher skill players. Like that’s a problem for him.
Skill based matchmaking relies on a health amount of both Timmy’s and Chad’s. I’m a Timmy and kinda bummed that I always have to face chads instead of a even fight
I'm someone who has played through 6 diffent wipes, getting to at least level 30 each time. Sure that's not max traders or anywhere near kappa/lightkeeper, but it's nothing to sneeze at either for someone who usually plays solo. I moved to PVE not due to difficulty, but because of time. From my perspective, PvE being too easy or too difficult for players is not the meat of why players are in PvE to begin with.
Cheaters, they come and go, eventually get dealt with. Tarkov's server infrastructure and queuing systems have taken too much time from me. I agree with how struggling is an amazing teacher, but when the process of "git gud" involves some of the consistantly worst queue times I have seen in the gaming industry with a posibility of being sent back to stash in the first few minutes, the quality of life for playing the game starts to hit.
Solo PvE allowing me to instantly play, quickly learn from mistakes, I adore it. Not wiping is also a bonus in my eyes, because it means I don't have to be married to Tarkov. So I get to enjoy the feel of one of the most interesting gun mechanics in gaming, at my own pace, and be allowed to go play any other game I am interested in without falling behind the rest of the community, PvE is fantastic.
Don't get me wrong, I will join the wipe hype, and am very interested in what I can do in Arena at the start of wipe. But when the hype dies down, PvE will always be there for me to scratch the itch.
I think it's even worse when you die late in a raid in PvP. You can spend a whole raid basically hearing nothing, finding very little good loot (or even finding good loot), and then just get killed in one or two shots by a PMC or pscav late in the raid while heading towards extract with no chance of counter-play. The last 30-40 minutes of raid time (if you decided to stay that long) + the 10+ minutes of gearing up and waiting for queue times is all wasted. Almost an hour of your time just gone with no progress or satisfaction. Even if you get out, an uneventful raid just leaves you right clicking items for another 5 minutes to sell it all on the flea, sometimes longer depending on how laggy the menus are and just how much you actually looted. IMO before flea market was a thing, even without all the gearing up QoL improvements, putting together a kit early and mid game felt really quick because usually you just tossed together shit you had in stash instead of putting together presets and checking flea prices to build a kit. If we had pre-flea tarkov with the current QoL changes where you mostly just use shit you already got with some trader convenience putting together a kit would be so much quicker, not having to check prices on the gear you'd prefer to run because it's the meta that everyone else can run because of the flea availability. There'd be a lot of other issues introduced with removing the flea though with the current gameplay loop and player base so that's not an actual solution, just spitballing a thought I've had.
exactly how i feel very well worded.
"Try and convert PvE players to PvP"
Many people are just simply not interested in sweaty PvP and prefer a casual experience. Simple as that. Nevermind the cheaters, desync, load times, and other problems that plague PvP. If live PvE had easily accessible mods like SPT/Fika, PvP would drop off a cliff.
I highly doubt it will drop off a cliff. A drop, most likely, but not much. The target audience is just different. And it will greatly increase the revenue for the Dev as well. SPT not being officially supported turn a lot of PvE audience off.
Yeah I have zero interest in standard PVP Tarkov. I get how people who have tons of time to sink into this game would find the experience of learning to play Tarkov rewarding, but personally I just find it frustrating to the point of no fun. The ratio of time spent in game vs time spent actually in raid is ABSURD and trying to learn a game when every hour of game time is like 10 minutes of actual raid time is nearly impossible for someone who only really has time to play for a few hours at a time on the weekends. Spending a whole night of my minimal free time just to get a grand total of like 30 minutes in-raid where I mostly just get insta-clapped by some dude I had virtually zero chance of spotting is the polar opposite of rewarding.
Frankly I have zero interest in standard PVE Tarkov, either, when SPT already exists and is better in every measurable way even with nothing but bare minimum mods.
I personally stopped playing because the desync was abysmal and didn't realize the cheater issue until after I stopped. Now that I've seen the issue though I don't think im going to play pvp at all until it's dealt with for certain. It's just absolutely unacceptable
Some of us have thumbs and fingers. We can use our mouse to aim and our brains to think. PvP is where it’s at. The reason you hate pvp is because losing your gear is very punishing for players who do not know how to make money outside of raids. I have no problem dying. I just buy all of the gear I need from the vendors, heal up, and jump back into the next one. Now if you blew $1MM rubles on gear with the hopes that you’ll be invincible, then that’s different
@@frostysmags_ the cheater issue is just your cope for being bad, tarkov has no more cheaters than anything else you probably play like COD, pubg, rainbow 6 etc. You arent going to find a shooter on pc of all platforms that doesnt have cheaters especially games that are "hardcore"
If you only have one or two hours to play, you cannot grind hours until a single good raid happens. That leads to frustration and people stop playing pvp. Some of them are back because of pve, but those players simply weren't and won't play pvp. So, pve moving people from pvp to pve, it's just partially accurate.
I understand your point of view tho
My 2nd comment, its funny that tarkov sweats are crying that they wont get free prey anymore cuz ppl can learn in a safe environment.
Lol and cap pve 😂
That's why there's a training mode so you can learn. pve is for the enjoyment not the grind
they could just not be shit and not have to go through 5 raids to get a good raid .. tarkovs hardcore for a reason and pve ruins it
@@epicgamerman7360 Well, now is even more hardcore because you don't have "shitty" players in it. You should be happy
@@epicgamerman7360 Why does it matter to you what someone else's experience is? If you go into raid, there wont be LESS players becuase of people playing PVE... Sounds more like you just want the easy kills, because you are in fact, shit.
I'll provide my experience as a former PvP player turned current PvE player. I had stopped playing PvP a couple of years ago mostly because I got burned out with the wipe cycle. The promise of no wipes was the primary motivating factor for me to come back for PvE. Tarkov was (and is) my favorite game, but as someone who worked full time (or more) and prioritizes family, I don't have much time left over to game. So I never got to experience much of the Tarkov endgame before it would wipe, there was always content I felt I would never reach. PvE provides me the space I need to pursue the game at my own pace as I have time, knowing that it will always be there if I need to take time off for IRL stuff. For the first time I have level 4 traders, I've built my solar power, my bitcoin level 3, etc., I'm running Labs, and I've even got my eyes set on getting Kappa one day, which was something I just kind of laughed off before.
That said, I am starting to see what will happen when I get to a point where there's not much left to chase. I'm not bored yet, but I can foresee a day where I do get bored. But then that's my motivation to start over and play PvP. I can hop on PvP at the start of a wipe and enjoy that early game experience again, knowing I have PvE to return to whenever I need. PvE will be my persistent character, PvP can be my "seasonal" character.
I do enjoy not having to deal with cheaters and exit campers in PvE, that is glorious. But there is something really satisfying about a true PvP experience knowing that you outplayed another human being on the other side. Both are going to hold my attention at different times for different reasons, and I want for both to succeed.
i feel the exact same way
I started EFT some years ago, didnt even reach level 15 and quit ... 'cos im shit @shooters (and quite old nowadays). But i really like the stalker an tarkov style.
Now im back in PvE and ive got a blast.
I dont want a 1000 hour struggle, i simply want fun.
Weak
@@jay-ti4bt bum
im the same mate to old/busy to sweat the game so rather have a slower enjoyable playthrough not getting cheaters or absolute chads fully kitted slapping me every raid, i see both sides tho but it what you want personally from the game i suppose
Agreed bro
skip to 58:52 for the meaningful commentary.
Thank you.
Congrats 2lew, you can throw 80 hours a week into Tarkov.. i cannot.
you can check my time streamed on twitch mate, its there for everyone to see.. thats how much I play tarkov..
@@2Lew This wipe you averaged 15 hours a week. That might not be 80 hours but it's still a lot compared to how much time others can spend on playing Tarkov. And that's not even considering your thousands of hours of experience from before this wipe.
@@2Lew As per other comment, 15 hours a week average... Thats a lot! thats 2 hours every day, or 4-5 hours every other day, or a lot of time at weekends... Thats already a lot more than casuals can do. People have other games they like as well, and not everyone can play every day. You seem to be quite disconnected with casuals if you think 2 hours every day into a single game is not a lot... And lets not talk about the fact that you have far mroe previous experience
PVE caters for a different audience. As you said "it took me 100s if not 1000s of hours to get good at the game". Some people don't have that time what with work, family and life. I would love to have more time to commit and become a sweat lord in PVP, however at a certain point the game is playing you, more than you are playing it. Great vid Lew and creating a worth while discussion.
That's cool and all, but counter argument, no cheaters in PvE
Biggest cope excuse ever. I never run into cheaters.
@@jay-ti4bt Wow that is great for you, it must be cool living in blissful ignorance.
@@jay-ti4btthat you know of
You have no way of knowing how often the players you die to are actually cheating
Cheaters often don’t give themselves away
Videos like “The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov” showed that there’s typically cheaters in at least 50% of raids but they tend to avoid other players.
Cheaters doesn’t just mean rage hackers. It’s vaccum looters too and plenty of other kinds
@@jay-ti4bthow about sub 1 minute load times into raids?
@@pyryvirtanen6081cheaters exist for sure but nobody is dying to them every raid. If you think you are you’re just bad.
Wipe is the best time to play the game. It’s when the game is at its apex and imo is when the game is what it’s supposed to be
Video starts at 54:00 if you're just looking for his final thoughts.
Honestly before I tried PvE I was one of the people that didn't understand why anyone would ever play PvE. But after playing it and coming back to PvP I just can't be bothered anymore. The insanely long load times, the crazy desync and lag in every fight, constantly getting ratted or cheated on, the annoyances just stack up. It's just not worth it if you can get 80% of the experience in PvE where all those problems aren't a thing.
Believe me I love myself some good PvP, but most interactions with other players in Tarkov are not good PvP interactions. If I really want to fight other players there are games that offer a way better experience to do just that.
This video makes me question whether or not the tarkov community enjoys fun...
Why would you unironically ask for content gating? I personally think PVE should just be there for people that want to enjoy it. From my understanding your PVE stash and your PVP stash are separate, so why does content need to be gated?
Also Lew said it himself, he is more of a PVP kind of person so what makes him qualified to comment on a PVE gamemode? Is it because he has countless hours in PVP and thus will have a bias towards it? Or is it because haha streamer says thing so must be true hurr durr?
Exactly! I’m a full time welder and unlike some people I don’t have 80 hours a week to dump into tarkov, but I don’t think I should have to wait 4 months for the content to come to pve just so Full time players like Lew can dunk on me while I’m trying to enjoy the content. Just a bad take
Cus' sweats want more people, who come just to have fun, so they have more people to shat on. That's literally it. Some people don't have fun. so they don't want others to have it too.
The reason for content gating is you avoid spoilers for a period of time. All the try-hards on YT are going to publish videos within hours if the content isn’t gated that potentially ruins discovery for them. For the average Tarkov player, maybe this isn’t a big deal, but there’s something fun about discovering or experiencing something for the first time. This is really his point.
I’ll add that I prefer PVE for my schedule, but having played both PVP mode is better - the PMC AI in PVE mode is easily cheesed
@@Its_Mee_Bee So just... Don't click on those videos.... I still don't see how that's a valid point. Content gating is dumb and ruins the flow and progression of literally any game it touches. It could even cause players to stop playing entirely until said content is no longer gated... There is a answer for this, but content gating is the worst one.
And if you're saying the content gating is for the shittubers well, I don't see your point still. UA-camrs will always rush to the newest content because that's just how that works, even in PVP tarkov you see this.
I've always described Tarkov as, "Not really fun at all, but super compelling"
Long term, hardcore fans of the game (like streamers and youtubers) just have developed full brainrot about it by this point. This game already actively hates its players and intentionally contains content that like 90% of players will almost certainly *never* get to, last thing it needs is even more gatekeeping.
This basically sounds like “I make money from this game so pls play online so I can keep getting clips”
thats the most headass take ive seen in these comments you ever just consider that he might like the game and wants to see it do well? not everyone has to like something because it makes them money not everyone has to hate something because its hard or they have a bad time with it from time to time, he will always get clips, he will continue to make money so where in all of this do you even get that sentiment from i really dont care for this style of content but holy shit you seem dense
It is a shit take. People should play what they enjoy the most. Any other take is dumb.
Loved that dude, quality video. I've been playing SPT for about 6 months now as on 3 occassions i've gone back to the main game and just been pissed off with hackers straight out of the gate.
If BSG manage to scale back the cheaters i'd return but currently each raid in PVP main game has been a bad experience.
Flying PMC's, speed hacking PMC's, aimbot etc, i just had enough of it.
I run PVE/SPT as hard as possible and it just gives me the fix without the need to punch my fist through my OLED.
WIPE HYPE 07
In my Opinion, I don't think streamers really get to have a word on PVE. They get to play the game a their job and subsequently be the best but what about the people that can only play 2 hours a day if that? They will never get to see the end game content ever. Me personally I have only hit lvl 42 once in PVP. So for me I think PVE is great for people who have lives that don't revolve around games.
Even then 2 hours a day is quite the playtime, most people are happy with 2 hours a week.
@startide that's fair but I think anybody would agree that 8 hours a day will obviously make you blow through the content fast
Two hours a day is like 1.5 raids with the insane time between raids. Loading and matching and gearing up
I think I can speak for almost a majority of us that as the years go on, the time and accesibility to play lots of hours on tarkov and not have to worry if you need to recoup your progress after you died a couple raids. Or the fact that online servers have an entirely different ecosystem that some people cant be a part of now but still can get their fix via PVE.
I used to spends thousands of hours over 8+ wipes getting kappa, questing, and endless PVP. While it was fun, the risk to reward factor often incorperates time which the older I get, the less time I have to play the game.
As much as I wish I could be a streamer or dedicated content creator, 2Lew while your opinions are valid, we all can't share the same joys or concerns because PVE fits an audience that craves to be able to join a majority of the games aspects but now respects their time.
Not having to worry about finding servers, waiting out rats, fighting cheaters, or checking the time to see if you really have enough time to play the game, these elements really matter. And while it will effect Tarkov for a moment, I don't believe that the separation of PVE and PVP players will be the end of the game. I believe that in a way the community will grow stronger and find things they can almost 100% enjoy about this game instead of griping along about whatever element or aspect that the game has. PVP will thrive as now the people who go out and enjoy having the element of players in their raid will exponentially grow in value, and the PVE players can enjoy the game they probably have been playing for multiple wipes but now don't have the time or have their itch scratched by transferring to PVE.
I honestly believe its a win win for the game
"Let's see things from my perspective"
Cue 45 seconds of Lew slapping and loving every second 😂
I think the argument is kind of idiotic honestly, the reason I say this is people playing pve don’t want to play PvP. They are going to not play at all, play spt or play another game like you said. This isn’t a division of player base it’s giving a player base who didn’t enjoy PvP a way to enjoy the experience that is tarkov. While I can see arguments to be made and agree with certain points it’s less a split of player base and more actually increasing the player base and once people get comfortable with pve they are probably more likely to transition to PvP.
PVE difficulty is spot on IMO and Im really enjoying the PVE mode. How long that will last I couldn't say though
all well and good till the pmcs and scavs are working together
I feel like the pve ai could get repetitive. That’s my only concern
@@HighKappaTV 2k pvp hours and I'm lvl 21 in pve currently, it does get a little predictable *sometimes* but they're still a threat - I'm mainly using pve to help teach a mate who's new to the game in a less stressful vacuum where we can just chill for a sec to either take in the area or explain something. It's hard for people to absorb information in a tense environment and I feel that's where pve steps up
@@HighKappaTVHa!
You never know what comes next.
Hell yesterday I saw Reshala turn into a beyblade and spin because I killed one of his guards, also saw a scav get raptured
I heavily recommend everyone to use SPT with Sain bots feel more "alive" and is a way more enjoyable experience
You can literally turn Tarkov into anything you want
dude I started my first ever Tarkov experience 2 weeks ago on PvE and it is brutal. 2 extractions from 10 Raids. not knowing how Scavs behave, the gun mechanics or any of the maps make this the hardest gaming experience of my life. I love it.
What I think is good about PVE is that it allows you to experience everything about Tarkov that you may not get to as a brand new player. Especially one who may be new to FPS in general. It allows you to learn maps, healing, traders, questing, and all other things that older players take for granted. The game is not the same in it's current state as it was 5yrs ago. PVE allows the new player a chance to learn the game at their own pace so that when they feel like tipping their toes into PVP, they are better prepared.
I play PvE because 1) I don’t have enough time to start from scratch every few months, the highest level I got to was like 22, 2) I like to play the game with the guns and builds that I like which is basically impossible without flea and/or leveled traders, 3) cheaters, who ruined my enjoyment of the game a long, long time ago. It seems that pretty much no game is capable of managing cheaters but in this genre they’re literally game breaking.
5k hours here and started a hardocre run in PVE a couple weeks ago... I like it much better than the PvP late-wipe brainless gunshot-chasing dynamics, but that's probably just because I am playing hardcore, which gives that extra layer of excitement/frustration for each W/L
i like the chill factor of pve
Same, I also love playing factory in PvE and getting beaten by tagilla as I’m reloading
PVE feels like what we have been missing.
survival.
what we missed in old tarkov where fights are slower, where there isnt some guy jumping halfway across the map with a spear or where theres someone camping an extract.
you actually can survive alot easier and you dont have to wonder "was that a cheater?"
you die to your actions either too greedy or too stupid on your pushes.
it feels like what tarkov shouldve had long ago.
mind it isnt perfect, the absolute aimbot and pmc/boss peacefully standing near eachother and swarming you and you alone.
but reguardless it is awesome still to this day
welcome to tarkov my friends...
now you will never escape.
If you die to extract campers you only have yourself to blame for not being cautious
I'm completely uninterested in PvP anymore. I'm 41; I've played competitive shooters online since I was 15. I have a life outside of video games and if I'm going to do something I suck at, it's not going to be a video game, it's going to be a hobby like woodworking that will actually be useful. I don't want to spend my free time grinding a video game, I want to spend it enjoying video games. Especially with Tarkov, where so much time is spent waiting (waiting for the hideout to load, waiting for traders' items to load, waiting to load into a raid, waiting for the main screen to load after a raid). Waiting all that time, loading into a PvP raid and then dying to a cheater or someone who has more free time to invest in the game than me is a waste of my time.
The current meta of online FPS game (quickplay style where you are placed in a server by the game, the only control you have over your teammates is if you put together a group, and there's no incentive to do anything but be self-centered) doesn't afford itself for people with a life. Back in the day, you would join a dedicated community server with people you played with regularly and knew. You would play a few games, have fun, talk to the people you knew, and log off. You could still enjoy CS 1.3 if you sucked at it if you were in a server with people you knew. Now, you have to invest time (into a video game) to be able to enjoy it.
I'm 48 and work 50 hours a week lol so hundreds of hours is not going to happen and I am never going to get goated like you bro lol the people who play PvE play it for a reason.. most aren't as interested in the PvP aspect of the game. Myself I just enjoy the progression and doing the tasks. I play PvP for a while after wipes and switch to PvE to see endgame stuff that I've never seen before. another great video bro 👍🏻 your content is always incredibly well put together and fun to watch. (also wipe hype o7 almost missed that)
I think now that they fixed it so the AIs actually fight eachother its a lot better than when you played it for this video. I mainly play PVE now just because I play multiple games, PVP highest I ever got was level 47, but it's really nice how I can play some PVE, play other stuff, come back months later and still be at the same progression level I was when I left. Wipes for me ruin the game which is definitely an unpopular opinion, but I don't like consistently playing the same game for months straight
The issue is beyond just PVE and Arena splittibg the player base .. with the new PMC karma coming, the player base will literally be split in half again and it will be even harder to find someone you can actually kill in Tarkov.
Im a level 46 factory player with over 2300 PMC kills wipe and i still cant buy and good ammo lol. I decided not to do any tasks this wipe.
Almost 1000 hours this wipe and i still habe level 2 traders and cant buy anything competitive.
You dropped this, king. 👑
real chad!
It's dumb af so many things are locked behind quest to unlock from a trader. I spent over 2500hrs in pvp and I'm so sick of doing the same boring RNG based quest over and over again.
If PVP dies because of PVE it's BSG's fault, I moved to PVE for 2 reasons, load times and cheaters. Im fine dying to skill diff/gear diff but I draw the line at cheaters, in other games they are a nuisance, in Tarkov they are BRUTAL because of how this game plays and whats on the line. So until BSG gets a better handle on cheaters, Im sticking to PVE.
I doubt youll see this but you said lets have a conversation in the comments so I will. I watch most of your vids and mostly agree with your takes. But in this case I think your take is lacking. You never considered someone like me or my best friend. We both learned the game when we had more time to grind on PVP, we both achieved endgame multiple times. So I agree with the part that nothing but PVP will give you that true Tarkov experience, the feelings of anxiety in a bush when you hear chads stomping around you not even daring to breathe because you finally got that task item. But we dont have as much time anymore, he got a son, I got a promotion and Im proposing, and can only play the early game of EFT if we get lucky that the wipe falls on when we have time and on top of that we can never get anywhere close to endgame within the same wipe. So PVE gives us the opportunity to experience EFT at our own pace again and finally get somewhere and not be pressured or rushed and thus turned away from the game. Before PVE we barely played the game anymore. And honestly the only options where get lucky and enjoy a bit of early game, or just dont play the game at all. Because for the little time we do have to play... Its really pointless to spend it on infuriating fights against chads with us only having penis helms and 855 or some shit ammo. Just running from spawn and getting out geared all the time is really not the essence of Tarkov either in my mind. And in this case EFT was able to keep a player instead of losing one.
I've progressed more in PVE than I ever have in PVP but people on reddit asking to make things easier is ridiculous in my opinion. Nikita already said they're going to 'prolong' the PVE progression so I guess they're shit out of luck 😂
same with dark souls
Im liking PvE, the non-stop action is awesome for content. Local severs. 20 second load times. Lvl. 1 Peacekeeper grenade launcher is NEAT. General loot is valuable too. Good video Lew!
also, if you crouch, one click you slide under the netting in usec camp and can loot the table easier.
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Nobody is sound crabbing me ever since I went to PVE. Weird. There are so many places I can actually go now.
Making the game insufferable for newer players is whats dangerous for it, saying that pve needs to be endgame locked just fucks over an untold amount of players who 1. Dont enjoy having to sacrifice something in their lives just to make time to keeo up with live pvp progression, 2. The cheater epidemic that has seen no fucking slowing, 3. A lot of people just domt enjoy playing pvp against people who know every map like the back of their hand and every little head glitch pixel peak spot losing hours of time and millions of roubles in kits. Your personal preference for pvp is fine, but advocating for people who dont enjoy the pvp be forced to play pvp to get endgame content like lightkeep because you THINK pve robs them of having an enjoyable tarkov experience is tone deaf. And i havent heard people asking fot pve to be made easier, all I've heard was for the bugs to be fixed like PMC ai and scavs not being on the same team making maps like factory feel insufferable at times.
tarkov is the dark souls of fps, it's not made to hold your hand, it's made to challenge you, to make you be creative, it's a hit or miss process and see what works and what not, change them and get to the same process all over again
it's not meant to be played like the other shooters
@@vali.s5109 Where your comparison falls short is that Dark Souls is a game against AI if that's all you want it to be. You can prevent invasions. And with that, the difficulty comes from learning the game, the AI, etc, not keeping up with some meta and trying to keep up with the skill and progress of the people that have nothing better to do than to play this only to never complete everything because you have a life outside of this full-time job of a game.
@@vali.s5109 Now say what the game actually is like, and not your dumb sales pitch for the game. It's sitting in a black screen staring at some ugly Russian guy while your computer takes its sweet goddamn time. Also, there's a set window of time you have to play in, and if you get in late in the wipe, go fuck yourself, you better be good enough to take on those "Totally skilled gamerz" with the shit gear you have. Because that's what you can just do to "skilled gamerz" right? Just take them down with a PACA and a revolver shotty? No? Fuck off with that. I can turn on Dark Souls right now and play, and it doesn't matter whether I turned the game on in August or March or whatever. I can just play, and not have some videogame think it can impose a fucking work schedule on me.
@@vali.s5109 Tarkov is not dark souls, don't insult dark souls.
@@vali.s5109 hell if you said Anomaly we'd be on same page but Tarkov don't make me laugh.
Mate, first i love your contend. I got so much learnings and joy out of your Videos. Mind that english is "not my Mother tongue" (Rammstein). But, if you talk at around 54:00 about the struggle the PvE experience doesnt give you, i replaced the word Tarkov with torture. Like : " They will never feel the torture i got out of the 1000 hours of Tarkov. Yeah mate, maybe i dont want to get tortured by a game. I played 3 WIpes now PVP Tarkov and i am tired of cheaters. I am tired of loot sucking cheaters. i am too old for that shit. And you could say: " Yeah then Tarkov is simply not for you". But if there was a way where i could enjoy Tarkov and you could enjoy it as well? MAybe with splitting it in the casual fun with friends PvE mode and the sweaty PvP mode. The only reason against that is, that you wont get victims on the PvP servers. And do you know what happens when i am done with all the COntend on PvE? Maybe i will switch to PvP then. Maybe PvE is the toturial of Tarkov. And maybe i have fun experience the Contend on lvl 40 and ov er that, because on PvP i was sick and tired of the shit that Jäger wants me to do against PMCs.
No hate, just the Pov from a 34 year old Noob who enjoys PvE with his friends :)
if a game can take up to 1k hours to get good at, you completely remove the ability for new gamers, that also have a life outside of the computer, to get invested. This game is on top of that extremely punishing and dying much may mean many many many scav runs to get any sort of gear. Scav runs also having a cooldown of 30min no matter if you got survived that raid or not meaning that you might still have no rubles, no gun for pmc and needed to wait 30 min to play the fking game again.
It is kinda insane just how hardcore this game is and I am not surprised it is fun for giga sweats and streamers, and even for filthy cheaters. Every kill you get with "ease" might be a more casual gamer's last kit and death meaning no more progress for 30min and that might end up being the last time before needing to log off the computer to get ready for work tomorrow.
When sweats then says "Everyone should HAVE TO go through what I did", then sounds insane and I say, "Enjoy the game dying"
Right... The gate-keeper vibes are strong... "You shouldn't get to enjoy the game unless you do it the way I did" Like a toddler stomping that its not fair because someone else got an simpler page out of the coloring book... We're all just trying to color inside the lines... You worry about your page, i'll worry about mine...
@@Addertach Exactly
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Another absolute banger of a vid Lew. Some of your best editing yet, you should absolutely be proud of this one.
The only issue with it that I can see is you got the 2 mounted weapons on Ground Zero the wrong way round. The GL is the first one you hit, and the MG is the one near the middle of the map.
Hear me out: pvp people are not really switching to pve.
I personally stopped playing eft completely bc i don't have the time to grind a game that resets every few months anymore. I once played a lot, had Kappa and was high lvl but i don't have the time anymore and cheaters aren't helping with motivation.
Thats why i love the fact that pve doesn't wipe and i just downloaded eft again. Same with a few friends of mine. So pve brings back people who already stopped playing completely.
This is my first wipe and I’ve put about 650 hours into pvp. I got Kappa and I can’t finish lightkeeper because no one plays lighthouse so I can’t get assessment part 1 done with only a week left of wipe.
I didn’t play much these last two months since I got Kappa in early June because I’m waiting for wipe and I’m SO excited for it.
I don’t have PvE but I feel like without a wipe and without the same challenge of normal PvP I think a lot of players will have a TON of fun with PvE and then be done with the game for a while until they decided they want to do it again and wipe their account.
I feel bad for the people who will never experience PvP because it has been the most fun I’ve ever had with a video game HANDS DOWN.
I got destroyed for so long and had to learn every map with maps online until I had them memorized, but every single achievement felt so good to finally get and getting kappa first wipe is the coolest thing I’ve ever done in a video game.
PvE isn't easy, you're just good at the game. I for one think it simply needs to be less predictable, because PMCs with raider AI always go to the same places and do the same things every raid.
To your comment that more people will go to PvE should A, B, or C, happen: have you consideered asking yourself the question, what does that say about PvP right now?
You come at this thinking PvE is meant for new players. Not even BSG themselves believe that, and they begrudgingly released PvE behind an initial $250 pay wall. PvE wasnt meant to train players up for PvP. It was meant to be an attempt to bring players back to the game who asked for this for a long time that otherwise wouldnt have returned, or kept playing SPT (which is still leagues better). Mod compatibility and private server functionality with the base game would ascend EFT to a greatest of all time level status if you asked me. Frankly, both of the things combined would not only assist BOTH versions of the game's playerbase, but take even more of a load off BSG from the frankly already very little content improvement they do to the game every year.
You SAY you arent meaning to alienate players that want to enjoy PvE, but your words state the exact opposite when you tell us you want to see end game content time gated behind PvP release.
Do you know the real answer to you being upset about data miners revealing new content on the update's release? Not consuming the internet media sources that puts out information on it. Instead of gatekeeping content from me, a PvE enjoyer, YOU can decide to make the concious decision not to spoil the new endgame content for yourself.
Your right about the leaks. Just don't look at the shit lol Its just ppl lacking self control and blaming it on other people
I quit Tarkov the moment I was in a bush miles away from the opening of a car park and the guy peeked and 1 tapped cheating fook, Tarkov has cheating issues, I'm nopt prepared to give that kind of game a chance, been up to level 40 in the past but one cheater interaction is enough for me to bin such a game, so PVE co-op is something I can chill with, been getting my PVP in delta force, I care less about the grind in that game if a cheater gets me, and I've been wiping out 3 man squads solo, Tarkov has too much going on to make it a bad day if you die, nevermind if you die to absolute bullshit, and the management of Tarkov is ass.
Gear diff is too much in this game.
High level players with meta gear ruin "casual" players experiance (imagine shooting BB's on an M1 Abrams). This is funless, and this could be the reason why PVE is being played more than expected...
The gear balance in this game exists only with Rubbles and traders levels. This is not a good balance logic and the real sized plates was great to make EVERYONE a threat!
The vast majority of the player base says "Tarkov is a hardcore FPS shooter" but this is not true in the mid/late wipe for some people when they are with T5/T6 gear and high pen ammo for every raid.
-An enemy scav? That's a joke.
-A boss ? There is no problem when you know how to take him off.
-A low level player? Did you think he's gonna win the bingo with the famous "Spray and pray"?
-A mid tier player ? A threat yeah but with my "skill" I can miss some shots and still win even he has a thorax aimbot!
-A high geared player? A mirror match!
I know the previous armor system with real sized plates needed some tweaks and balancing but it was a step in the RIGHT direction for the game!
The meta is so restricted! 5-10% of the gear and ammos are playable in a game with a bunch of content ! That's so sad.
So BSG please... Do something to fix this massive issue in this awesome game! Thank You.
Loved this video and points made. Editing and cinematics on point as always Lew 🐐
I'm not a huge PvP fan but I'm thinking of "getting into" Tarkov for the PvE. If I'm understanding correctly all I need to do is buy the base-level edition and then the PvE expansion?
Correct
Yep, costs I think 20 usd on top of base price
@@hunterfirechaser2784 plus taxes
@@hunterfirechaser2784 yup, I dare add that it's excluding VAT (was a "nice" surprise for me as a euro gamer where VAT is always included up front).
yeah and if they mess it up or something there is a VERY good PVE mod that many use, a lot of people even prefer the mod
Wipe hype 07. Keep up the good work! Love your videos!
If you want a bigger challenge, SPTarkov with mods. It slaps.
especially now with how easy the installation is
wipe hype o7. Thanks for another banger vid mate, also congrats for 150k subs
Play the game the way you want and mind your business. Nobody asked for your opinion on what should and shouldn't be done .
You used the word "I" alot and that is fine but you aren't we and you aren't me .
It doesn't matter what you think . Nobody is going to play the game you want them to. If they don't want to play pvp with you they won't and if you get your way to mess with pve they will go play something else . Nobody is going to play pvp because you try to force or manipulate them to. It doesn't matter what you think is easy either . That is relative and for some people it isn't. Go play your pvp .. leave everyone else alone and mind your business.
Cap PVE ? So they quit? Because they aren't going to join you .
THANK YOU! these are mainly players who are sick of PVP and all the nonsense that comes with it from it being pay to win to all of the cheaters and insane grinding there is a reason so many people are flooding to PVE
also what this clown does not mention is that if they do "cap PVE" then they will all just play the PVE mod making it even LESS likely they will EVER come back to PVP most of the people i know that played EFT religiously switched to the PVE mod before the official version even came out, people are just tired of the nonsense in PVP from a dev that clearly just wants money
As a seasoned player I love PVE for times I know I wont have time to do a full wipe. Wether its school or just busy at work its nice to know I have a permanent character that I can just hop on and get a little Tarkov experience. Im excited to play this next wipe and knowing I’ll have my PVE character waiting for me when it resets and I dont feel like grinding a new one
PvE should get more updates then PvP, because it's clear that battle eye just doesn't work for tarkov, and if the cheater amount is (going off of ban numbers) just increasing every wipe maybe it's time to give up on PvP. And maybe that's obvious because from my perspective there is a larger player base playing PvE and enjoying it then PvP and not only that but not everyone can be level 42 within the first week of wipe either.
Tarkov is not PvP it is just tarkov PvE or PvP
There are literally like 5 people who are 42 within the first week of wipe…..
Cheaters aren’t as bad at beginning of wipe since so many people are playing the game legit. It’s the best time to play PvP
@@nicholasabraham259 Not really, early wipe is a myth made by streamers to dunk on low level players. Seriously, on EU you'll be eating M80 after 10 days of the beginning of the wipe, early wipe lasts as few as 2 weeks as off my experience, and if you don't get a few max traders by the 3rd week mark, you might as well quit the wipe because every pvp encounter will be miserable, and feeling like you're a rat trying to avoid hawks isn't fun, not because you don't have "skill", but because someone using a Paca and PS rounds vs someone using a Korund and M80 on a meta gun isn't a fight, it's a toddler vs a terminator (If they have ESP/radar, even more). All of that is not even the worse part, add Desync, bad quest design, high queue/rekit timers, bugs and bad audio and the game is just not worth it, maybe not a bad game as per se, but the time spent/fun ratio is just too low.
@@NaderinZim alright bro…..a couple things
1. Early wipe is like 1.5 months. You are clearly misremembering if you think everyone is running around with M80 and Korunds 1.5 months in. Many folks are still on shoreline getting that stuff done around that time
2. If you’re a doomer then just say so and stop whining on a video about a game you don’t even play anymore
@@NaderinZim tell me you dont play tarkov and only watch streams lol how is it that im still killing level 20-30 more than anyone else?
killing bots isnt tarkov lol part of tarkov is the hardships that none of you want to participate in. Thats fine, enjoy pve but stop coping acting like you ever cared to play pvp in the first place. You probably only bought the game once pve was added and where are you getting player numbers? random internet polls? how many are online right now in pve and pvp? stop talking out of your ass. More updates lol this is why they shouldnt have added a playpen for pussies.
My only complaint is the guns should be higher durability from pmcs and they should have better gun builds. Better than the basic raider guns. I know they added some new builds but there should be some “meta” gun builds. One of my favorite part of pvp was getting juicy meta guns and gear
Fr, I hate killing raiders and ai usec/bears and getting the same 5 guns
For reference. The Ai DOES fight each other. The difference is the second YOU get spotted they will all stop fighting each other and start fighting YOU
New Tarkover here and when I heard about PVE I had the same initial impression. The whole point is the stress of players on top of the learning of the game. I’ve quit a couple times but now that I’m getting somewhere I see the appeal greatly.
This is my first wipe and I enjoyed all the sweat, rage and triumph that comes with this beautiful mess of Tarkov PVP. I do not see a point in PVE since Tarkov is all about the 'fear'. And I don't mean difficulty: it's the uncertainty und unpredictability of every raid. You don't get that from PVE.
Though i agree that the stress makes the pvp fun and different to the pve. You have to remember that the reason you find something fun may be different to others, and that doesn’t make their preferred way to play ‘pointless’.
Though i will say that after a few more wipes you will learn how unfortunately predictable the even pvp becomes,
Primarily due to static pmc and boss spawns.
Ah yes, the uncertainty of cheaters. I get that it is your first wipe so the honeymoon period is still in flow, but after years of repetitive wipes the PvE mode is more respectful of a users time. Glad to get some new blood on the game though, hope you have a great next wipe dude!
@@Grieva-SeeD-yup, wait til this dudes gets over 1k hours and 4 minimum wipes lmao
@@samhill7817 Yep, I stopped playing after learning spawns, it's broken. All you need to do is check if someone has spawned close to you, then go the route that has the least spawns/spawns that people move away from you, so you always know the areas where you can find someone, and if you don't, it's a dead raid where you can loot without any resistance.
As a person with little time to play PvP, i have really enjoyed playing PvE. I started playing this fall. As I've played more, I've only enjoyed it more - labs is a map I find difficult as you get swarmed super quick. Nice to see that absolute chads enjoy PvE too
the take that "i had to do it like this and it was a slog, so you should have to as well" is very boomer coded and is objectively not a good argument. to say that it should be a nightmare to learn this game is wild to me. to argue that anyone play SHOULD have to do that to learn the game "properly" is not the move imo
Never thought I'd catch a new 2lew episode this early. LETS GOOOO!!!
A lot of people love PVE for the more causal experience they can get (and the fact that they have jobs and dont have much time to grind and play). It doesnt mean PVP will die. Usually most people will go back to PVP on wipe week to try and challenge themselves and then return to PVE at the end of that. Now if you wanted to keep the longevity of PVP, make PVE inaccessible for a week or two after wipe
34:26 man, he is only trying to get his letter delivered.
British man proposes a 2 tier system for PvP and PvE player. Proposes that PvE players who have contributed financially more to the game get shittier player so PvP players can get their kicks stomping on them. Sounds like you need to rename yourself to 2tierlew instead.
Wipe hype o7. Hey Lew, love your stuff man! I understand what you’re saying, but from my perspective…I’ve got ~1600hours in pvp.
I like PvE because it’s casual and I don’t have to wait so long to get into raids since I mostly play solo anyhow. I would be fine with delayed content, but that wouldn’t make me play PvP.
Anyhow man, glad to see you fighting to keep Tarkov alive, keep up the good work!
Typical L streamer take... This is your job, not ours.
i play tarkov 2-3 days a week, the rest of my time is spent editing.
@@2Lewhonestly 2Lew, I think you make a fair point, but it is a biased point.
I think it shows most when talking about the initial struggle, and the 100's to 1000 hours of getting better at the game.
You enjoy PvP and I agree that wiping a squad solo can be fun and thrilling, but as a fellow player with over 1000 hours, wiping a 5 man solo has never happened to me.
I am simply not good enough and not willing to only play a singular video game for months, I want variety and I like EFT because of its quests, its gun play and atmosphere. If I want PvP I'll go play counter strike instead.
PvE is a fun way for me to get back into tarkov, because I have completely skipped last wipe as the game was just not fun to me, all the annoyance that comes with PvP was just too much compared to the fun it can bring.
So I think your point fundamentally falls flat when you think that drawing people away from PvE through limiting factors will make them join PvP, as instead most will simply quit or play SPT.
@@combatarms45just say you’re a shitter and would rather pve than learn to be good. 1k hours in any competitive game is nothing especially if you don’t take the extra steps to be good. You will never get the rush of tarkov pvpve on pve only. But hey if u wanna play loot simulator for thousands of hours go head, the game will always be popping in PvP, I’m sure ppl like you didn’t add much to the scene anyway.
this is exactly how i feel. logged 1000 hrs 2 years ago and am not really looking to grind pvp. i would rather play cs for that pvp fix too lol. having so much fun on pve lately
@@2Lew With 1000s and 1000s of playtime overall, and a lot of experience... Now, try to compare it to Dave, who works full time, and have less than 100 hours in the game, and can only play a few hours every week
Pve has been a massive game changer for EFT in such an amazing way. Before pve came out I had six wipes and I loved the game. As I’ve gotten older I find myself not able to keep up with wipes and the ultra competitive nature of the game which has left me feeling left out from the game. With PVE I don’t need to worry about being the best or to rush through quests. I’m so glad that it’s challenging and presents a very similar difficulty with the AI. I know many people disagree and think the addition has ruined the game but for an aging gamer it’s made me fall back in love with the game and keeps me playing. Without it I wouldn’t have touched this game again. Thank you so much for the video and your content. Keep up the amazing work and lastly. Happy holiday.
PvE captured the working class. I would argue sweats and exit campers aren’t even the biggest issues. Systems like FIR really hurt the people who don’t get to run 20 raids a day. Collection quests like flash drives suck because if you put your last one in your ass and die, you’re still stuck. FIR should be changed to “not bought off traders or flea market.” Cheaters suck not just from a dying perspective, but how can a working class gamer expect to get high value items when there are cheaters on top of sweats? They’re supposed to be content with mid tier hardware loot?
"Raiders are deadly" "im a pvp chad" the shalk doesntsalt twice!!
As someone who sucks at pvp the pve raiders and ai usec/ bears are fairly easy to kill only terrible thing is they have the same loot pools. (Would be pretty cool to get something other than a G3 or m870.)
People play a game for their job think PvE player should be converted to PvP and ignore that a lot of people into PvE because they can play 1 hour or 2 a day after work.
"They should just find another game to play" is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard someone said. Tarkov needs funding. You PvP sweat lord have already paid for this game. People who used not to have time for this game can get into it now and paid extra for PvE. And you think they should cut-down the PvE game mode because you fear the mode will steal the thunder from PvP? God forbid people convert naturally if they want to instead of tuning people off by forcing people to convert.
This video is oozing streamer privilege, keep in mind there are people who work a day job. I am paying for Tarkov now because I can PvE and experience the game fully to my satisfaction without sinking days worth of effort to remotely progress an inch.
Modding will ensure more people be interested for longer and the Dev barely need to much to support it. Modding already existed for Tarkov. Updates to PvE mode will benefit PvP mode, most likely the other way round even. The 2 mode share the same code base, improvement on one is going to be improvement on the other. Dev may finally focus on improving the AI and make PvP a better experience as well.
Facts. Pve is the only reson I got into this game. I just don't have the time or will to learn the pvp for this.
@@thelazygamer3788 Ya, I would have never paid BSG a dime for this game if not for SPT.
Wipe hype o7 good video Lew 💜
It feels really shitty having a battle with someone, hitting him 15 16 times with 56a1 (character profile wiped, no more boolets) or even m80s, and then he still doesnt die
You simply aren't as accurate as you think you are. Do better
Are damage conversion to the thorax is so junked up, you were probably tagging his arms 15 times and then he was still standing, idk why leg meta is so effective but the ARMor that the game has is frustrating lol
@@Newbbenny that's what I'm talking about for sure. I was adar spamming while in his face on labs lol. Took him forever to kill me with his fully autodramatic
@@Newbbennyis effective for high rate of fire weapons (smg), with a shotgun is a pain over 20/30 mt
@@Ultimate5738 SMGs I find out perform ak-series weapons by a large margin because of this, they can just put so much lead down range penetration is much less a concern. Shotgun are a 50/50 toss up of just blasting a hole in someone chest in 2 shots or painfully peppering them with 8 rounds of piranha or buck and they aren't even coughing. There's a reason I'm so excited for the MP7 when wipe hits and not looking forward to re-doing Setup
Just an idea. PvE would be probably interesting for short zero to hero session. Another lovely video Lew. BIG LOVE!
W key nerd, “wahhh i had to get shit on when i started, so everyone should get shit on when they start”
well, 45 Minutes loading screen with no PVP raid, brought me to PVE. now im stuck cuz its actually fun
I live on a small island. Game time is limited, internet connection even more.
To me it's Tarkow PVE or no Tarkov.
I'm so happy they made this mode !
“I struggled to learn the game so you should too”
I have watched alot of your videos including other content creators over the years for help with this game so first off thank you for all the help.
I also have 4k hours and played several wipes by now, I love the game and have made so many friends playing and learning it, what I have heard and why so many switch to PVE isn't about rats, campers, chads, or lack of knowledge of the game. It is all about time and cheaters, ALL of my friends have either walked away completely or switched to PVE or SPT.
Time: if you have put hours and hours into multiple wipes and completed hard quests over and over that takes time and people are kind of over the grind including all the nerfs over the years to the game to make the wipe last longer rather than make it better through questing changes etc
Cheaters: Whatever anyone has to say does not matter cheating sucks and people are tired of it. When you add everything I stated about and combined it with dealing with cheaters the game is not enjoyable.
Summary: Look at the time factor, I'm sitting over 4k hours and im over dying to a rat, large groups of PMC's then deal with cheaters on top of all of that, I ask myself why am I playing this grind for the same thing again when alot of friends have moved on because of all of these topics i bring up above so we switch or leave.
Screaming about bullying nakeds wtf
If I would start playing Tarkov today, the thing I would enjoy doing differently would be to replace using the Tarkov Wiki to find out where I need to go for quests by playing each quest first in PVE and then after finding it out on my own there then attempting to do it in PVP.
People love pve because they hate cheaters, I don't even think there's as many cheaters in pvp as people claim theyre just bad or got ratted
the one tap of PMC is probably due to less to no lag delay in the network as compared to PVP online experience when often hit don't register as quickly. Which is one of the other quality of life improvement that PVE provide.
LOL streamers worried about not having enough timmys to kill for content. Enjoy wipe. I'll be on PVE.
I prefer not playing against sweaty lvndmark wannabees all the time. Maybe someday I will play PVP again, but I'm enjoying PVE right now.
Great video great take!
So I recently got a PC capable of Tarkov and was excited to finally start it up. I don't think I've survived a PVE raid yet. You make it look easy. After seeing others say it is more challenging than PvP, I did quite a few PvP with a 76% survival rate. PvE is wild. And I suck.
I put in my 1000+ hours on pvp and had the struggles, the longer I played it though the more I ran into cheaters. It got worse and worse over the years, for me I loved pve it was refreshing and less stress, people who want to pvp can still go and do that against others that want to do the same. New players will still struggle with pve because they won’t know maps or anything like that.When you play pvp it feels like if you can’t put in 5 or more hours a day you will fall behind, where as pve I can do it in my own time when I want and not be punished for it.
As a completionest, and having a full+ time job, PvE is the only way I will feel complete with this game. I work too many hours to be able to ever get kappa, ever see Lightkeeper, or even half of the end game quests. Once I complete everything I do plan on going back to PvP since I do truely enjoy that more but I want to see everything Tarkov has to offer. Loved the video btw!
W8 I didn’t get the (bad feeling quest from jeager) is it for unheard edition only?
It's called Event.. instead of asking under a video (rofl) just google the quest name? So fucking easy
Ok babe 2Lew just dropped an hour long banger ttyl
There's no hackers, dsync, lag, wipes, and you get ALL of your insured gear back...I wonder why PvE is popular?