I am saving my money to get myself the 2023 beta 300 rr. I am very much looking forward to it. Especially coming off a 2002 ktm 300. Gonna be a huge improvement for me
oh yeah man coming from a 2002 to a 2023 beta is going to be night and day different! Let me know what you think of the transition and if you have any neat tricks to riding carby bikes!
The mods I've done are BRP hand gaurd mounts Mfg Part# BMI-9254 . AXP skid plate, Boano shark fin PDPBB1013, Bullet Proof rad gaurds. I recently purchased a Fmf factory fatty & 2.1 sparkaresstor but I honestly don't expect much if any gains. My bike is a 22 Race edition which has a different head if you look up the part#. I know there's been talk about carb float adjustment and running longer breather hoses etc. I've only crashed a few times and haven't noticed anything unusual with the bike loading up etc. I've honestly only had to turn my idle up a pinch and that's it....bike runs excellent even at 40-1 using motul 800 prefixing gas.
What type of riding do you do? Race is pretty aggressive for the hard enduro...I think J Walker down specs his Race for the hard stuff - low comp head, different jetting and sprockets
Dude you can lug these bike around in 3rd gear all day, excellent balance, replacement parts are pricey, but I love mine... my first real dirt bike, also the clutch is soooo smooth....
Oh for sure, when you say pricey replacement parts is that compared to say a KTM bike? I haven't had to buy any parts yet but I looked through the online webstore and found prices were pretty similar to ktm...at least in Australia...
@@hungrychinp i don't have one of the new ktm bikes, mine is a 01 200 mxc, but I was referring to the Japanese bikes.. my beta fell over in the trailer and messed up the throttle hand grip and the new beta hand grips was 45 plus shipping. It is what it is.... I've had this little 200 beta in some tight trails in East Texas and it done very well, I haven't heard anything negative about beta.
@@freetaylor72 oh true, I threw those things out day 1 haha. I threw a billet throttle tube on and run $15 grips. I've heard good things about the 200 betas, never ridden one but they're popular.
I had an Xtrainer for 3 years with the Nissin brakes and now a GasGas EC300 with the Braketec. The Braketecs have a much softer feel as they come on. Total braking power seems just as good but you’ll need to pull the lever in or push the pedal down further to get to full braking. Especially the front brake. I think the Braketec setup is probably friendlier for learning, and I do like the rear brake feel a lot, but I’m thinking of putting the Brembo on the front.
Nice review dude! I like the balance of riding and talking. A lot of videos are just hopelessly lacking in information and just have someone riding for fifteen minutes!? Looking forward to hearing more about your long term experiences with this beautiful Italian girl! Her twin sister the factory edition is on my list for spring. Got my deposit down. Cheers, from North Eastern Ontario Canada. Great riding up here with thousands and thousands of sq/km of Crown land.
Cheers for the comment legend, I’ve seen some stuff you guys are doing in Canada and it’s mint! Might be a little cold for me though…I’m planning on a couple more videos on mods and the mid term review. From everything I hear about the 23 race edition I think it’s going to be a mad bike!
Great review! Seems like Beta has really sorted the '23 300RR. So coming off a KTM 300TPI bike I am curious about your feelings about the engine vibration level - KTM really set the bar with the counterbalanced 250/300's from 2017 on. How does the vibration of your '23 300 Beta compare? You said the engine is perfection yet in the comments you are considering a Smart carb - is there another reason you want a SC besides post crash bogging fix? Be curious if you get a chance to ride a '23 KTM 300XC TBI and compare engines - the electronic PV with EFI really changes the character of that engine with the push of a map switch. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Its a great point and something I'm going to talk about in the next vid. KTM/Gasgas/Husky have nailed engine vibration...Beta have counterbalanced but there is still a lot of vibration. I don't even notice the vibration after 1min into riding. I also haven't got arm pump at all on the Beta but I used to get mad arm pump on my KTM 2020 300 tpi. My un-scientific theory is that a little vibration helps distal perfusion of my arms which reduces arm pump. I haven't ridden the TBI yet however the best engine I've tried was a 2022 EC300 tpi (Gasgas) which has a twostrokeperformance low compression head, ECU flash, and injector relocation kit as well as the oil delete kit. Incredibly smooth engine, impossible to stall, chugs up everything. Great engine but I still prefer the snap of the Beta in comparison. I'll tinker with everything which is why I'll probably end up trying a smart carb but thats going to be far in the future. All I'll be interested in is if I can minimise the post crash bog from too much fuel getting into the engine. Not much jetting can do to help this and I doubt the smartcarb will have a huge difference either. Love the questions, now I have lots to go test! Legend
@@hungrychinp Thanks for the detailed response! Interesting thought about vibration reducing arm pump - perhaps the stock KTM Neken handlebars were too stiff or simply AER forks transmitting too much energy into your arms? The '23 300 TBI engine sets a new bar for 2-stroke engine performance in my book. The throttle body EFI combined with electronic power valve makes the partial throttle torque response very strong and quick yet linear and amazingly controllable. From lugging in 1st gear at zero RPM to 4th gear braps over tabletop jumps to 60 mph wheelies in 6th gear and no jetting required...hope you get to ride a 300 TBI soon;) ua-cam.com/video/VL5NPXdHbjc/v-deo.html
Great feedback thanks mate! I'm not someone stuck in my ways with old technology so I really hope TBI is as exceptional as the reviews have it out to be. Having said that it is annoying not being able to MAP your own bike and relying on so much electronics. We will eventually get to a point where you have to pay a subscription to your ECU software updates and engine MAP'ing.
@@hungrychinp Like you (and being an engineer) I enjoy tinkering with EFI mapping (the Yamaha GYTR phone app is fun, myKTM connectivity unit works too). Having said that I have to admit KTM did a pretty good job out of the box with the 300 TBI maps. Map 1 is while fast has a smooth and tick slower power build and about 2 less peak HP. Map 2 builds power more quickly (yet still controllable) and pulls longer up top. I've got about 14 hours on my 23 300XC so far in various conditions and have to admit I have no specific things I would want to change between the (2) maps though I hope KTM brings back the myKTM connectivity unit so I can try some different mapping.
Nice bike! I don´t like the screws, plastics and wiring compared to gasgas (or ktm, husky). If you choose the racing version, you have to mix your gas by yourself.. don´t like this. Would´nt choose the normal version in my weight class between 90 and 100 kg. The other thing about the suspension: The kyb is one of the best suspension today. Like the ergonomics on the beta better. The bike feels like it´s smaller and the standing position is better by standard, without any changes on the pedals. Enginewise the RR is simply better than a stock gg, ktm, hsq. I´ve had to take some more money to fix that on my gasgas. (Coober ECU/Head) Moneywise it doesnt matter. Here in Germany the gasgas, ktm and husqvarna bikes are more stable in pricing if you want to sell it. I like both and both bikes have advantages and disadvantages. had some issues with my xtrainer from 19, thats why i´ve chosen the gasgas.
Gasgas is an excellent bike and reasonably priced. I found my beta has better quality bolts than ktm but I don’t like their wiring as much. The racing version is just a little too much aggression for the hard enduro - although I’m sure you could tune it down. If you are still running the gasgas you should look into the twostrokeperformance injector relocation kit. Best mod you can do to a tpi
@@hungrychinp I thought theres no difference about the motor between racing and normal RR. Injector relocation kit - Did you try it? Whats the differences you’ve noticed?
@@DMC-179 no there's actually massive differences between the Racing and RR. They have a different powervalve, different compression head and there is a bunch of machining done on the engine to make it more aggressive. As with the injector relocation kit...its honestly one of the single best upgrades you can do to the tpi. The power is smooth and somehow the bike doesn't want to stall. I have three mates that all have the relocation kit (ktm, husky and gasgas) and they all say the same thing!
Hey you was talking about stock jetting, I got a 23 200rr and it's spitting 2t oil out of the exhaust coupling at higher speeds. Have you had anything like that? Seems to me that the bike is running rich
No I'm only 6-7h in now and I haven't had any oil coming out my exhaust. I wouldn't be surprised if the bike is a little rich, I know my dealer jets the bike before sale which also includes a different needle but this is all provided for by Beta. Maybe worth asking your dealer. I'll let you know if there is a change after I run the bike on an MX track.
Price was one reason, I also wanted a soft stock suspension and I'd been told by some testers that the racing was a little too aggressive for the terrain I ride in. So far I've been super happy but would probably grab the racing when I upgrade
I'm still standing by my claim, I had initially been so concerned about the Nissin I was looking for 2nd hand brembos I could replace them with...then I actually put some time on the bike and was shocked how good they are.
Just put some high speed braking time on the Nissin and I would say the Brembo may have a edge above Nissin. The Nissin help up fine, didn't lock up or boil over (yet) but I found the brake fluid expanded more in the front brake and would create almost like a pulsating feeling in the lever...more testing to be done!
@@hungrychinp I was going to comment here after last Sundays ride. We had a 08 KTM 250xc, 2019 250XC, 22 husky 300TC, 2023 300xc, 22 250XC, and a 2022 beta 300 not the RR model. The only bike to have an issue was the beta which lost rear brake pressure lol
I am saving my money to get myself the 2023 beta 300 rr. I am very much looking forward to it. Especially coming off a 2002 ktm 300. Gonna be a huge improvement for me
oh yeah man coming from a 2002 to a 2023 beta is going to be night and day different! Let me know what you think of the transition and if you have any neat tricks to riding carby bikes!
That was a great review and thank you for all of the (objective) information. I'm 99% sure this is my next bike. SUBSCRIBED!
Legend, thanks very much! I'm planning to get an updated review at 20h to see how the bike has held up.
Just bought the same bike last week, Love it so far!
Great choice, are you planning on doing any mods to it or just run it stock?
I get to be first to comment? Well, I like Beta's, have a 2022 XT. Beautiful scenery and filming, plus outstanding riding!
Cheers mate! Would prefer to just ride instead of talk haha
The motors are magical.... Great Bike!
Any recommendations for upgrades/mods? I’m looking at the smart carb to reduce some of the ‘post crash bogging’
The mods I've done are BRP hand gaurd mounts Mfg Part# BMI-9254 . AXP skid plate, Boano shark fin PDPBB1013, Bullet Proof rad gaurds. I recently purchased a Fmf factory fatty & 2.1 sparkaresstor but I honestly don't expect much if any gains. My bike is a 22 Race edition which has a different head if you look up the part#. I know there's been talk about carb float adjustment and running longer breather hoses etc. I've only crashed a few times and haven't noticed anything unusual with the bike loading up etc. I've honestly only had to turn my idle up a pinch and that's it....bike runs excellent even at 40-1 using motul 800 prefixing gas.
@@mwzimmer oh awesome info thanks mate! I’m going to have to figure something out for the carb, maybe some tinkering.
Agree on the seat, on/off switch but i do like the map up on the bar. These bikes are amazing waiting on the 23 300race
What type of riding do you do? Race is pretty aggressive for the hard enduro...I think J Walker down specs his Race for the hard stuff - low comp head, different jetting and sprockets
I have 46 hrs on a 22 300rr so far the bad doesn't out weigh the good . Best bike out of the box
Haha for sure!
Dude you can lug these bike around in 3rd gear all day, excellent balance, replacement parts are pricey, but I love mine... my first real dirt bike, also the clutch is soooo smooth....
Oh for sure, when you say pricey replacement parts is that compared to say a KTM bike? I haven't had to buy any parts yet but I looked through the online webstore and found prices were pretty similar to ktm...at least in Australia...
@@hungrychinp i don't have one of the new ktm bikes, mine is a 01 200 mxc, but I was referring to the Japanese bikes.. my beta fell over in the trailer and messed up the throttle hand grip and the new beta hand grips was 45 plus shipping. It is what it is.... I've had this little 200 beta in some tight trails in East Texas and it done very well, I haven't heard anything negative about beta.
@@freetaylor72 oh true, I threw those things out day 1 haha. I threw a billet throttle tube on and run $15 grips. I've heard good things about the 200 betas, never ridden one but they're popular.
Hi! I ve seen you video on UA-cam about beta rr300. It real good! I would say outstanding
Glad you like it!
I had an Xtrainer for 3 years with the Nissin brakes and now a GasGas EC300 with the Braketec. The Braketecs have a much softer feel as they come on. Total braking power seems just as good but you’ll need to pull the lever in or push the pedal down further to get to full braking. Especially the front brake.
I think the Braketec setup is probably friendlier for learning, and I do like the rear brake feel a lot, but I’m thinking of putting the Brembo on the front.
Great feedback, I have a few mates on current gasgas and they don't seem to mind braketec. I guess it really depends on what style of riding.
Love my 23 Beta 300 re. I have a few vids on it. Great review. I love the raw feel of beta. As opposed to the ultra smooth kTM.
Nice review dude! I like the balance of riding and talking. A lot of videos are just hopelessly lacking in information and just have someone riding for fifteen minutes!? Looking forward to hearing more about your long term experiences with this beautiful Italian girl! Her twin sister the factory edition is on my list for spring. Got my deposit down. Cheers, from North Eastern Ontario Canada. Great riding up here with thousands and thousands of sq/km of Crown land.
Cheers for the comment legend, I’ve seen some stuff you guys are doing in Canada and it’s mint! Might be a little cold for me though…I’m planning on a couple more videos on mods and the mid term review. From everything I hear about the 23 race edition I think it’s going to be a mad bike!
Great review! Seems like Beta has really sorted the '23 300RR. So coming off a KTM 300TPI bike I am curious about your feelings about the engine vibration level - KTM really set the bar with the counterbalanced 250/300's from 2017 on. How does the vibration of your '23 300 Beta compare? You said the engine is perfection yet in the comments you are considering a Smart carb - is there another reason you want a SC besides post crash bogging fix? Be curious if you get a chance to ride a '23 KTM 300XC TBI and compare engines - the electronic PV with EFI really changes the character of that engine with the push of a map switch. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Its a great point and something I'm going to talk about in the next vid. KTM/Gasgas/Husky have nailed engine vibration...Beta have counterbalanced but there is still a lot of vibration. I don't even notice the vibration after 1min into riding. I also haven't got arm pump at all on the Beta but I used to get mad arm pump on my KTM 2020 300 tpi. My un-scientific theory is that a little vibration helps distal perfusion of my arms which reduces arm pump.
I haven't ridden the TBI yet however the best engine I've tried was a 2022 EC300 tpi (Gasgas) which has a twostrokeperformance low compression head, ECU flash, and injector relocation kit as well as the oil delete kit. Incredibly smooth engine, impossible to stall, chugs up everything. Great engine but I still prefer the snap of the Beta in comparison.
I'll tinker with everything which is why I'll probably end up trying a smart carb but thats going to be far in the future. All I'll be interested in is if I can minimise the post crash bog from too much fuel getting into the engine. Not much jetting can do to help this and I doubt the smartcarb will have a huge difference either.
Love the questions, now I have lots to go test! Legend
@@hungrychinp Thanks for the detailed response! Interesting thought about vibration reducing arm pump - perhaps the stock KTM Neken handlebars were too stiff or simply AER forks transmitting too much energy into your arms? The '23 300 TBI engine sets a new bar for 2-stroke engine performance in my book. The throttle body EFI combined with electronic power valve makes the partial throttle torque response very strong and quick yet linear and amazingly controllable. From lugging in 1st gear at zero RPM to 4th gear braps over tabletop jumps to 60 mph wheelies in 6th gear and no jetting required...hope you get to ride a 300 TBI soon;) ua-cam.com/video/VL5NPXdHbjc/v-deo.html
Great feedback thanks mate! I'm not someone stuck in my ways with old technology so I really hope TBI is as exceptional as the reviews have it out to be. Having said that it is annoying not being able to MAP your own bike and relying on so much electronics. We will eventually get to a point where you have to pay a subscription to your ECU software updates and engine MAP'ing.
@@hungrychinp Like you (and being an engineer) I enjoy tinkering with EFI mapping (the Yamaha GYTR phone app is fun, myKTM connectivity unit works too). Having said that I have to admit KTM did a pretty good job out of the box with the 300 TBI maps. Map 1 is while fast has a smooth and tick slower power build and about 2 less peak HP. Map 2 builds power more quickly (yet still controllable) and pulls longer up top. I've got about 14 hours on my 23 300XC so far in various conditions and have to admit I have no specific things I would want to change between the (2) maps though I hope KTM brings back the myKTM connectivity unit so I can try some different mapping.
Standard gearing is 14:48
Interesting, mine came 13:48 from the dealership
@@hungrychinp I will check mine again tomorrow 😂
Nice bike! I don´t like the screws, plastics and wiring compared to gasgas (or ktm, husky). If you choose the racing version, you have to mix your gas by yourself.. don´t like this. Would´nt choose the normal version in my weight class between 90 and 100 kg. The other thing about the suspension: The kyb is one of the best suspension today. Like the ergonomics on the beta better. The bike feels like it´s smaller and the standing position is better by standard, without any changes on the pedals. Enginewise the RR is simply better than a stock gg, ktm, hsq. I´ve had to take some more money to fix that on my gasgas. (Coober ECU/Head)
Moneywise it doesnt matter. Here in Germany the gasgas, ktm and husqvarna bikes are more stable in pricing if you want to sell it.
I like both and both bikes have advantages and disadvantages. had some issues with my xtrainer from 19, thats why i´ve chosen the gasgas.
Gasgas is an excellent bike and reasonably priced. I found my beta has better quality bolts than ktm but I don’t like their wiring as much. The racing version is just a little too much aggression for the hard enduro - although I’m sure you could tune it down. If you are still running the gasgas you should look into the twostrokeperformance injector relocation kit. Best mod you can do to a tpi
@@hungrychinp I thought theres no difference about the motor between racing and normal RR. Injector relocation kit - Did you try it? Whats the differences you’ve noticed?
@@DMC-179 no there's actually massive differences between the Racing and RR. They have a different powervalve, different compression head and there is a bunch of machining done on the engine to make it more aggressive.
As with the injector relocation kit...its honestly one of the single best upgrades you can do to the tpi. The power is smooth and somehow the bike doesn't want to stall. I have three mates that all have the relocation kit (ktm, husky and gasgas) and they all say the same thing!
Good vid. QLD'er ? My bum hurts looking at the beta's lol.
Haha yeah they give you a pounding! Born Qld, surviving in ACT now.
Hey you was talking about stock jetting, I got a 23 200rr and it's spitting 2t oil out of the exhaust coupling at higher speeds. Have you had anything like that? Seems to me that the bike is running rich
No I'm only 6-7h in now and I haven't had any oil coming out my exhaust. I wouldn't be surprised if the bike is a little rich, I know my dealer jets the bike before sale which also includes a different needle but this is all provided for by Beta. Maybe worth asking your dealer. I'll let you know if there is a change after I run the bike on an MX track.
buy a road bicycle if a seat is too hard - do 50 mile every 2nd day, preferably more if you have time/are fit enough, you will soon be sweet
Not a chance I'm getting a pushy, also for $200 I can just get a softer foam...
To say the Nissin brakes are "far far better" than Brembo is just insane. To say you like the Nissin brakes better would be more believable.
Meh, I'm many many hours on the Nissin now and I'm sticking to my guns...top shelf stuff!
Any season you choose 300rr instead of race edition?
Price was one reason, I also wanted a soft stock suspension and I'd been told by some testers that the racing was a little too aggressive for the terrain I ride in. So far I've been super happy but would probably grab the racing when I upgrade
Can I take it and translate to Ukrainian language and publish it on the my account?
Yes go for it!
Better brakes than the brembo huh 🤔
I'm still standing by my claim, I had initially been so concerned about the Nissin I was looking for 2nd hand brembos I could replace them with...then I actually put some time on the bike and was shocked how good they are.
@@hungrychinp could be the pads and rotors or how the lever is adjusted too. Nissan is good but I'll stay with my brembos lol
@@thatfast3002 you do you buddy, I'm going to put the nissin through the ringer at the MX track and see how they hold up
Just put some high speed braking time on the Nissin and I would say the Brembo may have a edge above Nissin. The Nissin help up fine, didn't lock up or boil over (yet) but I found the brake fluid expanded more in the front brake and would create almost like a pulsating feeling in the lever...more testing to be done!
@@hungrychinp I was going to comment here after last Sundays ride. We had a 08 KTM 250xc, 2019 250XC, 22 husky 300TC, 2023 300xc, 22 250XC, and a 2022 beta 300 not the RR model. The only bike to have an issue was the beta which lost rear brake pressure lol
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