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Stupid Gun Myths - Episode 15: "The Mosin Nagant is Just a Garbage Rod"
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If people keep thinking Mosins are shit, there's more of them for us! Don't you see?
Quick, spread more rumors about the gun being shit so I can get more for cheaper.
Sir Lukas same as the arisaka
Then the prices should be staying the same as they were 10 years ago
@@mofo6907 The only issue with the arisaka would be the ammo, but you could get a recalibrated one right?
@@mofo6907 problem with the arisaka is not the guns, they get a bad rap from the training rifle, it's the fact that ammo is $1.25 plus a shot, I've got a large choice of cheap arisakas but ammo keeps me away from them.
The one dislike is Alex from TFB
Probably. What a fucking douchefuck.
@@MikeB128 tip on youtube : don't try to insult another creator without giving reasons and good arguments, or his fanboys will fuck you up
Mike B Oh dang, that’s some strong words. What did he do?
I thought he didn't actually hate it, but thought it's an unremarkable rifle that's okay and likes to joke about it being horrible to piss Mosin Nagant fanboys off?
Mike B thanks for the new curse word.
Boomer at a gun show: Look at this son, this here is a moist noigut. I remember when these cost 2 nickles and a pube. That's what I got thusun fur.
Me: Great, how much you want for it now?
Boomer: $500
Me: Boy I sure do love -surplus rifles- AR-15s.
My exact evolution.
Once the boomers all die off in 20 years we'll have surplus prices shoot down
CaptainJangles 😂😂
@@Jcaeser187 then ill finally be able to buy a house
@@Jcaeser187 unless their Leftist children/grandchildren inherit their gun collection and turn it over to the police for destruction.
Last time I was this early I could still buy a Mosin for $75 at Fleet Farm.
Not gonna ruin the 69 likes lmao
From what i hear the term garbage rod wasnt meant to say the rifle is bad but actually comes from old gun shows when they had soooooo many of them that they were litterally selling them out of garbage cans, like an umbrella stands for guns. I could be very wrong here though lol
I've never heard the term, but I can attest to inexpensive surplus rifles being sold out of barrels/garbage cans at gun shows and hardware stores back in the days when it was still possible to find that many surplus rifles for sale, and it wasn't just Mosin-Nagants: Mausers, Springfields, SKSs, M1 Carbines.... They were generally underappreciated at the time, most folks - especially yuppies and former hippies - back in the '70s and '80s and early '90s really had other things they wanted to spend money on (like gas, food, rent) than strange foreign or otherwise military-surplus guns, and the dealers didn't have very much respect for the guns either. The world has changed a lot since those days, though, with dwindling supplies, appreciating surplus gun prices, gun ban scares, prepper culture, gun owners who shoot the guns becoming fans, word-of-mouth via the Internet, and so on changing the supply/demand dynamics, and I don't think there are very many stashes of Cold War era surplus rifles left to flood the post-Cold War market with. I really regret passing up an opportunity to buy Yugo SKSs, Czech Mausers, and Russian Mosin-Nagants by the wooden crate at rock-bottom prices when some local dealers had them available that way, too....
Its actually from TFBtv when he challenge everyone on limited plinking test with his K98.
@@yulusleonard985 that term has been around since befor youtube or TFBtv was a thing my friend.
@@inhumanfilth681 My grandpa was a gunsmith and went to gun shows regularly and he said garbage rod to describe any guns or rifle as being inferior. They said it all the time at the Goddard gunnery in Kansas and it's mostly boomers that go there. I think it's just one of those terms that anyone can really say means one thing or another.
@@pietrayday9915 Funny how in the US a legit AK 47 is hard to find, yet on eastern europe and below they sell like candy. Seriously there has to be millions of those fuckers just lying around
I once had a Colonel in the Ordnance Department tell me the Mosin-Nagant was the only rifle he had ever seen that was almost completely soldier-proof.
What about the mas-36
I’m gonna suggest it till it gains traction: revolvers never jam. It’s one of the stupidest gun myths I have ever heard
Ahh technically a "jam" is a malfunction in the bolt assembly, feed or extraction where in a component gets *aggressive scare quote gesture* jammed *voice gets muffled as my head goes progressively further up my ass*
Malevolant B My 357. Has jammed on multiple occasions, 2x on one occasion
They do, however, they don't misfeed. The trigger can jam, the cylinder can jam, and of course, the bullet may not shoot.
However, revolvers are much less likely to jam, because they are much simpler than automatics.
Okay, it's not that they dont jam. It's that it takes extensive amounts of user error to get them to jam. Generally, there being a lot less to go wrong, people do not have jams with revolvers. There are, of course, crappy revolvers, bad ammo, poor treatment, those who dont clean their guns or those who blow them up for putting the wrong round in - which is still hard to do. You might also break the hammer, extractor rod, or crane. But those aren't really jams.So yes, they DO. But it happens about as often as you get a bad production striker gun from the factory.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD highly accurate statement
They may the a garbage rod but they are our garbage rod and we love them dearly
Nyet..rifle is fine fuck the idiotic haters the mosin is a great rifle for what it is are there others that are better..of course there is not to mention its a pretty powerful round
Paul Ramsey dab on dem haters!
in Canada, its a Moose Nugget
I unironically plan to shoot a moose with my mosin if I ever get the chance to
Can confirm.
More correctly 3 line rifle model 1891/30
my first deer kill is with my m44 in canada with a scout scope
The bolt on mine likes to stick a bit but I've never really had any other problems, I do prefer the kar98.
p1x3l_p4nd4 me too but the Kar is 4X2, the price and ammo is almost the same cost difference. ☹️
If you polish the bolt, it is decent for the price
Maybe clean your bolt lugs
Check the fit of the mag well, if it's to tight it will bind. You might have to shim it or I used bedding compound. And polish the bolt
I own an M-91 Mosin. Never had any problems and the bolt is buttery smooth
They go bang and thats about it. Its a no frills rifle that wasnt made with quality in mind. Its a reliable gun that shoots your desired target dead.
AND COMRADE, YOU ARE NOT NEEDING MORE THAN THAT
@@daledunmire9546 HE'S A MAN, NOT A GOD! COME ON, COMRADES!
@@taterc229 I never heard Simo Haya complaining about its effectiveness.
Inb muh Suomi kills.
@@Dev_Six Always heard the Suomi kills where part of the 505 and made a larger amount.
Wrong. They ARE high quality.
Have you done one Gun Myth about the Japanese Arisaka’s? I feel those get about the same bad reputation, if not worse, than the Mosin.
Will be doing it soon as that's one of my favorites. Just trying to make it a great vid.
I was reading an old gun magazine a few years back where they decided to see how strong the Arisaka action was.
From what I remember, the results were impressive.
@@smithwesson7765 If I remember correctly theres a page in Hatcher's Notebook about that.
Early war arisakas are actually one of the best rifles, very well made
@@tedarcher9120 Early through late war....The integrity of the weapon never became less, only aesthetics....
I like "Garbage" guns. Particularly these.
I gave all my family and friends 91/30 rifles years ago. Kicked a tin of ammo with it. You got all the stuff, sling cleaning kit bayonet etc. Everyone liked them and used them. My boy shot some amazingly large bucks with his. No one made fun of his rifle after seeing that. Thanks Mike I hate it when people put down that which they do not know. The M39 it's a real sweet rifle. Fantastic shooter and a real sleeper. Thanks again. Joe S.
They say it's a garbage rod because of how it stacks up to the Mauser 98 in terms of quality, which it doesn't lol. It's not a bad gun by any means, but it's also not the best. Personally love these, keep up the good work Mike, love your videos.
I think that's a fair assessment: I own both buns - some Mosin-Nagants and a Czech Mauser, and like both guns, but the Czech Mauser is DEFINITELY a higher level of quality: the Mauser's fit and finish is much better, the moving parts fit together much better, etc. If I were forced to give away all but one of these old mil-surp bolt rifles, it's the Mauser I'd keep as a sort of "luxury model". I'd still feel bad about giving those Mosin-Nagants up, though: they may not be pretty, they may look like they were knocked together in a high school shop class by a bunch of amateurs, and they may rattle around like a box of spare parts, but for a "garbage gun", I couldn't really ask much more from them than what they do, and do well: put lead on target 100% of the time with no trouble and complaints!
its 100% from TFBtv.
The mosins bolt also wouldn't lock up as easily at temperatures below zero. Atleast thats what i read in a book about a german sniper with 200+ kills he liked to use the mosins with pu scopes.
It's 5 shots on demand on target. There are much worse trades out there. Basically anything 1890-present can outdo that, but let's not forget the utility of 5 shots on demand on target. It sounds small, but remember the prior 500 years where taking 30 seconds to reload was the rule not the exception.
The Moist Nugget is a $500 gun sold for $50-$100 for a very long time. Now they aren’t such a deal and as such their reputation has wrongly suffered.
What’s the Moist Nugget?
"you occasionally have to hit it with a mallet"
lmao
Yeah, these rifles are pretty notorious for sticky bolts. I've had 91/30s that stick even with the copper washed steel case ammo he mentioned. Definitely not something you'd want to be dealing with while you're being shot at.
Polish the chambers.
Zeroed mine to be dead on without bayonet using a flathead and a hammer
C&Rsenal covered it pretty well but there are a few considerations regarding the Mosin:
•The Russian Empire ideally wanted a domestically designed and produced rifle. Hopefully something cheap that could be produced en mass to equip their massive standing army (~4 Mil. + IIRC).
•If you REALLY break down the guts of the Mosin-Nagant, it’s a Lebel with a Russian bolt and Belgian magazine system. It’s definitely going to show age compared to newer Enfield and Mauser designs compared to something that at its core was originally designed in the 1880’s.
The Mosin was never designed to be the “perfect” rifle, especially given the mindset of the Russian Imperial bureaucracy at the time. It was designed to be “good enough”, and considering it’s still in service in Ukraine, Afghanistan, Syria, and Africa, I’d say it’s done just fine.
The Lee action is the same age. James Paris Lee was ahead of his time.
Mike: *talks about finnish mosin nagant*
Me: *happy finnish noises*
Russians: *ptsd educed screaming*
@@orderofdusk2382 *Starts to hurriedly look around in the snow*
XxArcticSniperxX *laughs in Vyborg*
What are happy Finnish noises? Is it cooing or more of a chortle? 😆
how about the old classic "1911s do nothing but jam and need 10,000 rounds to break in"
I need to get a 1911 in order to make that video, but I don't want to pay the ridiculous prices for a standard one.
@@MikeB128 Some of them can get pretty damn pricey. I got a series 80 1991A1 and it shot like a dream out of the box. I think they go for around 700 these days used.
I have never had a 1911 jam and thats all I shot growing up,and they was off brands
@@MikeB128 My dad got a Taurus one for like 400-500. I think I heard the rock island ones are about the same price but better. I've heard the Colts have been overpriced as crap for decades though.
What does break in mean
Mosin Nagant overall review:
3.6/5 Not great Not terrible.
You didnt see spam cans!
Chi se non il pinky But.......I saw graphite in the bolt.....
Best for shooting radioactive animals somewhere in the Ukraine
Chi se non il pinky the price is the most attractive aspect of it, although i, as a European would kill for the possesion of a gun
Yah, I own several old service peices, and that mosin is at the bottom of my list of favorites. But I still think it an ok gun.
The mosin is IMO one of the most fun to shoot guns. The steel cases ammo is insanely cheap for a full power rifle caliber
Them: Heh, literally name me one thing a mosin does better than a gewehr 98
Me: win a world war
That's only when it was on the same side as the 1911.
The Russians didn't win the second world war by themselves. Who invented the assault rifle? Germany that's who. With old surplus rifles you really have to be forceful operating the bolt.
Garbage rod is just a memey counterswing against the idea that it's the ultimate rifle and every shot is personally guided by the hand of the Tsar or Comrade Stalin.
Problem is that in Australia for example, mosins go for the same price as enfields, about 1000. Personally I dont think that they're worth that much money.
Yea nowadays in the states people are trading these things for cheap AR’s
Holy fuck that an insane price
Ya but Australia lol
It sucks when you only have access to secondary market. Because brand new mossin are $450.
1000 aud is about 850 usd.
It takes someone with a lot of skill and experience to get to the point where it's working and sighted-in. Some disadvantages (from buttplate to muzzle):
-Sharp, small buttplate
-Straight stock (no semi-pistol grip), a bit awkward
-Difficult safety
-Angled trigger guard that can ram into your hand under recoil
-No trigger return spring, huge variation in pull weight
-Odd but somewhat do-able stripper clip feeding
-Rear sight setting can shift under recoil (maintenance issue)
-Handguard retainers might need replacement
-Rounds can stick in the chamber depending on ammo
-Huge difference in point-of-impact with and without the bayonet extended (M44) or attached (91/30)
-Front sight that requires filing for elevation adjustment
-Tool or hammer and punch required for windage adjustment
-INSANE noise from muzzle blast on the carbines
The good attributes:
-Nice foreend
-Easy to clean
-Great sight picture
-Very accurate
-Cheap
-Easy to work on
It's a difficult weapon to master but quite fulfilling when it's sighted in and working.
They were made to be used by peasant conscripts in Russia's varied and often severe climate it had to be simple , rugged , and reliable and reasonably accurate . It fits the bill on all accounts !
We still technically use the Mosin in Finnish army as a sniper rifle. We use the TKIV 85 which is built on Mosin receivers.
Are they 7.62*51 conversions?
I loved my M44! Especially the massive gout of flame that erupted from the barrel with every shot! Scared the bejesus out of the snobs at the range with their $2k guns!
Mosin Nagant=High-Point. Easy. Both work. And work decent enough. No need to complicate it.
Complicating it is my job...
Wish I would’ve jumped on board 10 years ago when they were still cheap. I paid 400 for mine I got a couple months ago but I had no problem paying that. It’s in awesome condition. Few scuff marks from the barrel bands. Got some ammo and other things with it and also was helping out a buddy that was in need desperately for money. I love it tho. Still trying to get her dialed in at 100 meters but I was hitting paper. Just a little to the left and slightly high. Would love to find the carbine model. M44
I've made only two mistakes with a Mosin. Bought sealed container that sadly contained laquer ammo instead of a m39 because I "had enough Mosins". #2 Thinking I had enough Mosins...
This one for me is the result of exaggeration and confirmation bias vs snobism/ unrealistic expectations: on one hand you have the people that bought them years ago and were propping them up as the best thing ever just because they were cheap, on the other the guys who either took them too seriously or hate on the rifles just to be snobs...
aniello vanacore that’s exactly why Alex B from TFB coined the Garbage Rod meme. It’s really a comment about the end users and not the gun. In his video he extolled the virtues of the guns and made very few negative comments about them. I think he even said he owned 3 or 4 of them and actually loved them. They simply aren’t as good as a cheap modern gun but that doesn’t make them bad.
Its surplus so it depends on what you get one can shoot like shit and another can be a laser beam.
I personally like to adjust expectations according to what it is I'm getting.
Example: the SKS is equally maligned for the same reasons as the mosin. I'm aware of its flaws and the requirements for the rifle to be considered usable.
The end result is I got one of the better SKS rifles.
I've owned Yugo Mausers, 91/30, M44 and a No 4 mk 1 Lee Enfield. My favorite of the lot is the Enfield. I like how smooth the action works. Recoil is very manageable and the 10 round capacity is nice. The 91/30 has the dead worst ergonomics so much so some people thought they didn't have safeties. It's still a rock solid rifle that can shoot all day. I can even do some of that shooting with a recoil pad. The Russians really made one hell of a good cartridge.
I never understood people saying its shit. Solid rifle. Love these vids
they say it's bad cause of the mag capacity and recoil also it uses old tech, in my opinion it's decent but definitely just for shooting at the range or hunting and for the time it was definitely a great gun.
@@SL_RivviN the recoil isnt bad at all, an d neither is its accuracy, that falls on the shooter.
Mosins are tough as hell(ugly as hell too lol), and some were exceptionally accurate depending on where they were made and who was using them. The Mosin bolt isn't the best design and, in my opinion, difficult to operate quickly. Not the best bolt gun ever but they're definitely not garbage.
@Reagan James it doesn`t mean that it is a garbage
I remember a lot of trash-talking about them back when they were still under a hundred bucks, I bought one anyway by mail (C&R license) and after I actually handled one myself, it earned my respect pretty quickly - I ordered up a couple more Mosins immediately afterward. I REALLY wish I'd bought more - they'd have made a fine little investment, considering how much more I could sell them for now, but I doubt I'd want to have parted with them for twice what they're selling for now, simply because I like them so much.
I have a M44 and with a little stone work on the sides of the trigger. In stock trim I hit a steel torso target at 1198 yards open sights. I love my Mosin
300 dollars for a mosin? (Laughs in Eastern European)
We hate you btw
Good for you...here in Italy 300 bucks can buy you a chinese airsoft gun .......
Well, here in Poland Airsoft guns cost pretty much the same. The fact that mosin is cheaper says a lot about it's quality :P
@@Lehr-km5be Or the fact that over 17 million were produced overall......
Well it is most surely the combination of both
Tbf I call my 91/30 "my garbage rod" out of love and endearment.
I love the way you explain these amazing firearms, people think it is a garbage rod. But in reality, it's a bad ass. 7.62X54mmr is on hell of a round.
The Mosin is a good rifle. They're accurate, shoots a powerful cartridge, can be used for hunting, target shooting, can be a viable weapon should war ever happen and it's easy to use.
It fits the important requirement of "is a gun".
I got it for just about the same reason
Btw I have six mosin nagant and I love them.
Haha..." Lysdexic " , I caught that.
Borg Drone with Dyslexia: Surrender Humans......Futility is resistible.
My favorite is when fudds say the mosin is a "horrible piece of shit and totally useless in today's conflicts" then go on to say the k98 is perfect for modern "sniping" if you bubba a scope on it
All this and you can find pictures of p.u sniper rifles still being used in the mid east
"Just put in the oven to take off the cosmoline bro"
That poor oven
No, clean the bore a chamber throughly with mineral spirits. Use a 20 gauge for the chamber. Take apart the bolt too and clean it out. Very little oil is needed.
In Max Brooks’ novel World War Z both the Russians , the Belorussians , the Ukrainians the Baltic countries and the Central Asian countries were using Mosin Nagants from World War 1 and World War 2 alongside SVT-40s , PPSH-41s , SKS rifles , SVT-38s , AVS-36s , DP-28s , PPS-42/43 submachine guns , TT-30/33 pistols , PPD-34/38/40 submachine guns , AK-47 assault rifles , AKM assault rifles , AK-74/74M assault rifles , SVD sniper rifles , PKMs , RPKs , RPDs and other weapons against the zombies and in the book there were a few problems with the Mosin Nagant rifles but they still did damage and caused destruction on the zombies.
You ever see Jerry Miculek shooting the M44 300 yds hitting steel plate every time while standing offhand.
From what I understand, most Mosin-Nagant rifles in the USA today were factory "refurbished" rifles imported from Ukraine. They didn't bother to individually refurbish each rifle, instead putting non-matching parts together, stacking tolerances in all kinds of weird ways, which goes to explain why the sticky bolt is a common complaint.
The roughness on the action means that it has not been broken in yet... =P
theana86ar yeah they've been manufactured and stored for a long time for 100 years....never been shot or fired because rust, debris , and time make these rifles unshootable today if you know how to restore, furbish back to it's original state, they would become better rifles....garbage rod what a couple of prick who think they're experts in all sorts of knowledge and anatomy of guns
99% of the time I hear people prasiing the mosin, I frankly don't remember anyone even bashing it. Maybe a few making fun of its recoil but that's it. People generally respect them.
I personally despise my mosin, but I can completely understand why people like them.
I’m assuming they despise them due to the fact they’ve been hearing so much on how the Mosin is great
Nice presentation, as far as the bolt sticking ,it is cosmoline that is still in the chamber...I know that it looks clean but you have to remember they have been in storage for many years and it will be dried up what you need to do is get a brass brush for a 20 gauge shotgun and a cheap shot gun rod put the front piece of the rod in a drill and dip the brush into sweets 7.62 cleaner and running the bore brushes slow making sure you don't go to far in the chamber and hit the lands of the rifle clean it out with cloth patches in between then go to the range and shoot it until it starts sticking again then at the range do the whole cleaning process again it works, I don't have any sticky bolt problems
“Saying shit you don’t really know about it, you don’t really have any authority on it, but you claim to be an expert” Sums up Reddit.
All milsurps are good -- some are just "gooder" than others.
I got mine for $40 in 2001. Still have it and its the best bolt action I have ever owned.
I like when they're called the 'Skinny Russian', lol !
I love my garage rod. It was my first rifle that I ever bought and it is still probably the the worst trifle that I have in terms of smooth functioning. But I mostly got it for the history. Want to pick up a few more at some point. I would agree they're not bad rifles they're just the least good out of the options that are available from rifles from its era. But there is one thing to consider about it though. The 7.62 by 54R cartridge that the rifle used is still in modern military use by Russia
what ticks me off, I did not buy one or two back when they were cheap
One of these I really love is how everyone shits on the Chinese SKSs for their quality but then worship at the altar of the Chinese AK for their quality LoL
I've got a Mosin hex and Winchester 94 30-30 lever. Enjoy shooting them as much as I enjoy my ARs. Think about all the fun some gun snobs miss out on.
I get funny looks at the range when I’m popping a 9inch gong at 300 yards with a mosin.
That's cool and funny lol.
I had three of these. My first one is a 91/30 made in '37, I can shoot it all day without issue (or until my shoulder cries uncle), Second one was also a 91/30, but made in '39. It could shoot a while, but eventually did get a bit of sticky bolt syndrome, but that's after 30+ rounds. Not many people are going to be shooting it that much in one sitting anyway, ended up selling it to my brother-in-law. Third one is an M44 that I love shooting. Perfect condition stock (might have been refinished(?)). Big ole fireball with every shot, and like my '37, can shoot it all day without issue. Sure, it's not the best and if I were offered any other milsurp rifle for the same price, I'd probably go with the other one, but they are rifles that I love and nothing will ever change my mind about that
When people are on a shitrant about a sertain gun i allways ask them " do you wanna stay in the way when i try it out" keep up the good work sir
Mosins aren't bad guns. They're just not super good. They're not as good as a modern .308 rifle, but they do the job.
Wahhhhhhh! The clunky bolt on my $100 gun chafes my lotioned hands!
I've got two 91/30's, a '42 and a '43, had 'em for over ten years. One runs great, the other has bolt that catches a tiny bit. They have never failed to fire. I got two reliable guns and 1300 rnds for $600. Beat that.
It’s not designed with quality in mind. DURABILITY ON THE OTHER HAND. It’s a gun you can operate in any environment you put it in, and do so for longer than it should. Beat it, burn it, cut the barrel off, whatever, it will work.
I own 4 and love them! I had trouble with 1 M44 with bolt seizing but that's it. Also had problems with a 1903, 1917, #1 Mk3, 2 #4 Mk1's! It happens in vintage guns on occasion. Read 'The White Sniper' about Simo Hayha and see what can be done with a Mosin Nagant!
What a guy.Took his home ,used it well,work well for him.....
Yep, got one myself, there's nothing wrong with them, they'll certainly get the job done, accurate enough, powerful enough, and easy to handle.
As far as people and the whole thing about "smoother bolt actions" I doubt it'll be a problem with them when the adrenaline of combat or a follow up shot at a deer hits them.
The Mosin-Nagant works. It may not be as nice as most other bolt guns, but it works like any other bolt gun. That was good enough for the Soviets to win WWII.
My fully matching Tula M91/30 from 1938 is outstanding, Crisp 4 ish pound trigger, smooth bolt, very accurate and cheap to shoot. It's my first rifle and I will never part with it. There's good modern ammo out there for like 60 cents a round. RIFLE IS FINE!
Sometimes it really can be luck of the draw with firearms, I regret being put off by a couple bad guns over the years only to have my opinion changed later. I’ve had a crappy Mossberg shotgun, a horribly machined series 80 Colt 1911, and a $1200 Kimber 1911 new in the box that couldn’t even chamber a round. All of those were never fired when I purchased them. But I grew up shoot mosins and mausers that never malfunctioned after thousands of rounds. Sometimes you just happen to be the one who got a bad one. I also grew up with old timers telling me that Arisaka rifles were garbage guns also, the other day I examined one for the first time and I have to say the quality of the rifle was excellent. I did some research and found most of the rumors began when GIs were bringing home training rifles meant to shoot wooden bullets and putting full power rounds in them blowing the rifles to pieces. The only mistake/flaw was making a training rifle that chambers real cartridges, the majority of the rifles were good rifles. Remember all these milsurps were manually machined and fitted and usually quite fast. Don’t give up because someone told you something, research it yourself and open up new things to yourself.
Love mine. Shoots great and the action is actually pretty smooth, and accurate enough to take deer with. Sure, you're right, there are better out there, but we like what we like.
Let's face it... Eventually EVERY military bolt rifle has had a case stuck in the chamber so bad that the bolt is hard to rotate. I'd say the fact that you CAN whack the bolt with a mallet or bash it on the edge of a desk or ledge to get it going again is a testament to the sturdy build of the damn thing. After all it was designed as a COMBAT rifle.
I had a 91/30 I'd bought from Cabela's ages ago(2003) for just over $90. Between that and two boxes of ammo I was just under 125 iirc. Had it at the range hitting steel at 100 yards that weekend and a guy down the line from me offered to buy it right then for $200. I made money but wish I had kept it because it was a fun rifle. Though I'm 6'5" and most milsup doesn't fit me at all.
If I'm not mistaken one of the deadliest snipers in history used a Mosin Nagant, without a scope too.
You should do something about Norinco guns. I have people who get all weird about my Type 56 SKS and Type 56 AK. Had someone no joke tell me one that he heard that they use chalk screws in them lol.
+ This thing is indestructible, literally the Nokia 3310 of firearms.
I commented on one of Alex's videos with this statement: 'That "Garbage Rod" was used by Simo Häyhä for 259 confirmed kills against Soviet troops. He holds the world record for most confirmed kills by any sniper in wartime. Show some respect.' The only reply I received was from another user also pointing out that this was done with iron sights. I recommend that anytime someone poo-poo's the Mosin just mention Simo Häyhä and watch how fast they shut up.
There's Zhang Taofeng. He's a Chinese sniper who fought in The Korean War. I don't know how many people he killed but he's one deadly son of a bitch when he has a Mosin. He didn't even use a scope. He used iron sights.
'Serviceable' is about the best thing you can say about them.
It was an ok design in 1891 but by the 1900's was well and truly eclipsed by its peers.
Agreed.
I did some pretty simple work to mine and it now runs extremely smoothly. I got the trigger pull almost halved (not to the point of being unsafe) and I can work the bolt with two fingers. Just takes a dremel and some polish.
One of the best performing ww2 rifles was the Finnish m39 copy of the "garbage rod" family tree. Very accurate out to longer distances.
I absolutely love my moist nugget. I have no issues hitting 1" steel targets at 100 yards with mine
If there's one thing i like most about the mosin, it's the silhouette. They're beautiful rifles!
As far as aesthetic go,Mosin Nagant is one of most beautiful bolt action rifles for me.Berthier 1889 is 2nd after it.Sorry,but Mauzer designs like K98 and Springfield 1903, although rather effective,is aesthetically not as pleasing as much.
I’ve got an m44 mosin and it’s been a great gun for me. No bolt issues whatsoever and it’s been keeping less than 2 moa with the scout scope I’ve put on it. No idea if it’s been refurbished in any way but I do know it’s far from “garbage.” Gotta love the ignorant and stupid elitist internet people
As a Russian I find it a bit amusing to see Americans calling our old service rifles "garbage rods" because that's news to us, these rifles served our troops for 73 years 1891-1963, we defended our people with these rifles, "garbage rods" now that's a joke...
Somehow I feel like Russia (and the numerous other users of the Mosin) would probably have noticed that it's shit (if it was shit) in more than half a century of active service....But oh hey, fuck logic right up the ass, right?
I have a love, hate relationship with my Mosin Nagant.
First 5 rounds I'm enjoying it, next 5 round I am hurting.
One from the recoil but mainly from punching the bolt.
Maybe it's just my Mosin? I am not sure.
...or maybe I'm just a panzy, I'm not going to deny it.
One thing I would like to say is that there is "some" truth to the price vs quality aspect. (Arguably)
It wasn't suppose to be built in the greatest quality, which means that the Mosin was able to be built in extreme number really quickly. In my opinion, was the biggest advantage of the Mosin.
Beside, who needs good quaility when you have 7.62x54R.
And the R stands form rimmed and not Russian.
A former coworker of mine has one.. I'd like to shoot it some day since I've never had the chance to. Only thing is I'm kinda short (which is why I was such a good tanker ha), so long ass guns like that can be a bit tricky to fire (especially from the prone), but, I was in basic training and we had the M16 before the army got to using the M4, and I learned how to handle long guns as a shorter person and I been doin just fine... But a lot of these milsurps are like freaking lances 😂 but still, I wanna shoot.
"One mans garbage is another mans
treasure"
Best $90 “new” rifle I’ve ever bought
these guns are what i like to call most surplus guns. they are "projects" if you polish the action, cams, sear, and lugs with a bore brush and a drill and some good polishing sand paper the action isnt sticky. i also sand any high spots out of the stock, put leather washers under the front hand guard rings so it doesnt move around,
and bed the stock with jb weld around the receiver and the gun shoots great. everyone that makes fun of mosins tries mine out and tells me "wow, this thing shoots so nice and its accurate blah blah" yea. thats what a few hours of tlc can do.
Back in the early " oughts " I bought a M-44 Mosin Nagant Carbine for $75.00.
She was smothered in Cosmoline and took a while to get her clean but she sure cleaned up real purty.
I took her to American Shooting Centers outdoor range in Houston, Tx. and stayed late one night.
WOW!!!!! That baby spits fire like a Dragon!! Haha.
Nyet, rifle is fine.
It get food on table.
It get me paid.
I dont die with it.
So, its fine.
_Simple man wants a simple gun._
WOW! Are those dem durn Moist Nuggets? I heard those are the belt .50 caliber fully semi automatic sniper carbines ever used by the French when they were conquering the Ottoman empire back in the Balkan wars. Everyone on /k/ loves their garbage rods, especially original ones that were fully made in Sweden in the 1920's!
(I damn near gave my self a headache and almost puked while typing this. XD)
Great summary of Soviet arms (pretty universally): functional-great precision work, excellent, utilitarian designs that are easily mass-produced, ergonomics that seem to be the product of afterthought. Probably was an actual afterthought, lol
I agree, it's an ergonomics issue. I believe the basic premise applies across the board to Soviet small arms. When peps were grabbing up SKSs for dirty cheap in the late 90's, I paid $89 for a Cosmo encrusted M38 (with proper 38 stock, not 38/44) I grew up shooting SMLE actions, so I hated the bolt angle. Traded it for $100 and two G17 mags. (Yeah, ouch, I had no idea of the value/rarity) But I never told anyone it was "garbage", cuz it wasn't. The action was just rougher and different than I was used to. That rifle ran like a champ, I just wasn't a good driver. My first EDC pistol was a .380 IJ-70 Baikal. The 1911 princesses mocked me, the Glock bois mocked me. Like a Mosin, my Mak was clunky n chunky, but it NEVER had a mechanical failure in roughly 3500 rounds. Wish I still had both guns.....
I have a Finnish Mosin still in the 1891 long rifle configuration and jeeessuss fuck is it accurate and zeroed to perfection. Makes me actually look like a decent shooter.
I have found that these rifles shoot pretty darn well with heavier weight bullets. The old hornady 174 grain vintage match would do half MOA out of my tactical 91/30 . The silver bear 203 grain short points would hold 3/4 MOA groups. Now my rifle has the rock solid turned down bolt body , scope base and timney trigger and is glass bedded into a bluegrass gun stocks tactical stock with a free floated barrel. I also removed 3 inches of barrel, threaded it, put a 11 degree crown on it and a timed Witt machine and tool muzzle brake on it. Far from a stock rifle, but it will shoot as good as most of the shelf modern rifles.
Carry on, Bubba...
I have never had any serious issues with the 3 mosins I have. Only broke the extractor on one. The 91/30 platform is easy to learn and is still very fun for me to shoot. Calling it a garbage rod is extremely false it served its purpose in both World Wars very well.
I think the biggest problem is that people screw the bolt/firing pin too tight. That slash on the back of the striker is there for a reason. You're not supposed to bottom-out the screw. Three times that I've had people say that the action is very tight has been three times that I've "fixed" the rifle by unscrewing the firing pin by one (1!) turn. One of those three is my own Mosin, that I was warned of the "issue" before buddy sold it it me. When I got it, I unscrewed the firing pin by one turn and now it's totally smooth to operate.
It's the same sort of deal with the Browning Auto 5. "Oh, worst gun I ever owned! Kicks harder than a mule!" And if you look inside, 90% of the people who say that have the recoil spring and tension ring put in wrong. Or even worse, the tension ring is just gone completely. When you're shooting buckshot or slugs, you need to have the tensioner in front of the mainspring, or the gun will beat itself to death, and smash your shoulder.
Alex from TFB is probably screeching and huddled in the corner
Good.
I swear to god I out shot some fudd at the range with my mosin, he had a AR15 with some dinky optic; clearly didn't know what he was doing. People who say the mosin in inaccurate, I dare you to go 300 yards down range and I'll set up on the line and see how you fair.
I had One wartime 1943 round receiver, was the best looking and shooting rifle I’ve had. Outshot a savage. The main issue (this is moot somewhat now that a budget AR and Mosin are nearly equal in value) is/was people who bought one and thought it made them the next simo hayha (ignoring that the soldiers he killed carried rusky Mosins) and that not only is it better than a Mauser, Enfield, or Garand, but that it can actually compete in a pitched gunbattle with an AR or AK. That’s what’s annoying. While a Turk Mauser or Mosin is better than nothing if it’s all you can afford, it should be to tide you over while you get something more practical/useful.