I'm waiting for that teardown by Big Clive, because I'm curious now too. Brilliant idea, BTW, to send him stuff, it made me find your channel before the YT algorithm suggested it. I tore a few retrofit LED bulbs down, and the ones that failed prematurely were all victims of overheating. The weight difference between the old and new version could have one or two reasons: less aluminium for cooling and/or no potting compound.
I’ve used Philips WarmGlow dimmable GU10s in my house. Bit more expensive than the LAP - I got them for about £2.50 each on Amazon, but they change colour temperature when you dim them (like the old halogens), and I’ve not had a single one of the (around) 60 burn out yet since I installed them a couple of years ago.
I did that at school in the PT class (Physical Training, misnamed as Physical Torture) several decades ago. Yes, you jump up, grab, the rope, then bring both feet as high as you can, locking the rope between them, and push up with your legs, regrab higher with your hands, and go again with bringing your feet as high as possible, etc. Pretty straight forward, and even for a non-physical twerp that I was, it was pretty simple, and easy.
Solution to the grid switch fault will of course work but the more correct way is to have the switch upstream of the fuse, thus allowing the fan switch to isolate the fuse making for safer changing.
Yeah they should have taken the fuses out to check they isolated what they thought it was isolating. The fan would have stayed energized upon removal of the fuse and that is when they should have started investigating the wiring fault. Installer needs to remember that there isn't sampling on new installations and 100% of the installation needs to tested and then subsequent results recorded on an Electrical installation certificate. Great videos Thomas, keep it up mate! Inspiring!
I’ve used them Lap GU10’s for a while now and up till now found them reliable with no issues. Started using them as was getting annoyed paying more money for the likes of Bell / osram LED’s which were failing after a few months. Time will tell if Lap go downhill
Just to let you know Tom the video quality has gone through the roof since you've got yourself a dedicated camera man and editing guy I'd imagine it takes a lot of stress and time off you doing it yourself from back in the day too. Thumbs up
As a DITY-er, I used about 50 LAP fittings in in three-bed house. Less than four years on, four of them have failed. Three where a rocker switch no longer 'feels right' or doesn't work at all, and one dimmer where where the push no longer latches. Not acceptable.
Put a big knot in the bottom of the rope, it gives you a platform to get your feet in position so your aren't burning your arms out holding yourself up on the rope while you're trying to position your feet. Also try and use the inner arch/side of the bottom foot and the inner arch/sole of the top foot to lock the rope between your feet you kind of have to twist your bottom foot inwards a bit and tilt it out a bit then use the inner arch/sole of the top foot to pin the rope. Hope that makes sense it's quite hard to put into words 😅
When I fit a recessed light where its flush with the ceiling I write on the lamp when I fitted them and part number just in case Im not the next person just that little thing
I have noticed screwfix selling off all their old LED lighting, battens included, I have fitted a lot of the old style GU10s and candle lamps, and battens, with prob 1 or 2 failures in 4 years, I like them but now i'm worried they are gonna churn out shit... I hope not. The LAP stuff comes with 3 year warranty, do the new ones?...hmmm. let's see what Big C uncovers eh.
Welsh Elvis indeed! Good on ya, James. A lot of this shit like light bulbs and circuit-breakers are made in Pakistan/India with quality brands on them, at a 10th of the manufacture price, yet the mark-up on them is the same from a wholesaler.
I have never heard of both LED light brands at all. If they are so similar that they just seem to be the same product, but under different brands, keep us posted about the longevity of each brand. Maybe there are some differences inside on the LED driver side?
Bet you find that Clive discovers the power supply is different as well as heat dissipation has changed on those GU10s. Likely same as VCRs used to have 2 or 3 actual manufacturers and all the final 30 or 40 companies that sold them just added their brand names/logos to the enclosures.
I'd stick to quality branded lamps, it only reflects on you when the customer has to replace them all in 12 months or they notice how flickery they are, if you're holding stock why not order a few hundred Osram/Philips/etc
Really if the Physical attributes change so drastically it is really a different product and should have a new part code / SKU. Will be interesting to see the tear down to see the difference. The problem is companies chase higher margins and compete for better value / lower or static prices. That can only go so far before either design, quality or both are compromised. Once you have to go back an change out early failure lamps any price difference is wiped out. However as a working electrician you tend to stick with what works and is proved reliable. However if the manufacturer / seller changes the product without changing the part number - you don’t really stand a chance. Your supplier while good value is now costing you money and possible reputation dents. The issue is when you track the supply chain back to factory. It’s likely that the factory is white labelling for many value conscious brands and large wholesale group own brands. Depending how they buy ( direct or through agents ) it’s easy to see how control over quality gets lost. It’s simple to buy on basics Colour Temp Colour rendering Lumens out beam width etc oh and of course price. But past that the way things are designed manufactured assembled etc is the real story. if LED is not lasting many many times the life of tungsten lamps then there is something dramatically wrong.
Even I played a few bulbs on a house in a few rooms and dead dim and then in one room two rooms a dead britright can you replace a dimmer switch in the went back to brightness is that a sign of a bad dimmer switch and if I've got a dimmer switch downstairs will I need one upstairs
ROPE CLIMBING TECHNIQUE! pull up with your arms to get your feet off the ground, spread your legs apart, take your right leg and put it across the rope so that the rope runs along your inner thigh and dangles by the right side of your right ankle, loop your right foot under that dangling rope so that the rope lies across the top of your foot and now dangles down the inside of your foot... NOW take the sole of your left foot and clamp the rope tightly down onto the top of your right foot... in this position you can pretty much take all the weight off your arms, the climbing technique should come naturally! good luck!
Wessex is a Toolstation own brand, sourced from the Asian market as a white label product that is branded and specified to a certain standard. I suspect they are all made in the same factory by the same or similar suppliers.
In the incorrectly wired grid switch does that not mean that both sockets are also limited to pulling 3 amps by the fuse? That's going blow pretty quickly with a Kettle or something in the kitchen right?
recently subscribed to you what are the hand held and cb raidoe's that you use called becuase i am on the hut for some and the seem like they could with stand a drop from a hight and my grandad want's to know as well please grate videos
We had ropes at primary school PE. Easy to climb but always rope burns on the way down. Looks like LAP have changed to a shit alibaba suplier.Back in the day with the light bulb cartel of planned obsolecence. the companys didn't want to get caught. But nowadays, chinese supliers couldn't care less, as long as it turns on once then jobs a good'n.
Well if a 2.5 ring can easily carry up to 50 odd amps then I would say it’s fairly obvious a fuse could blow well before the integrity of the cables is compromised by overcurrent.
Big Clive has probably got his own stock to compare and give you the answer .... don't forget to include a bottle of cheap rum in a plastic bottle ...... pens ? is that the best you can do ?
The lamps will all come from the same factory in china in the millions, sold in bulk to the likes of screwfix and toolstation who slap their own label on it, they go through their various supply chains and travel thousands of miles to be reunited in your unit.
Mate, get over it. If you don't enjoy the content, don't watch it. It really is that simple! It takes less effort to switch the video off than to spout your small mindedness in the comments, yet here you are...
@Steve S I'm a nagy nut rubber for not caring too much of his total screen time, but you've got your tighty whities in a twist because he wasn't in every frame of the video. I hope you come to see the flaw in your logic there.
@@kevinbinnie6940 Come on Kevin. You are still Nagys sack tickling reply tool. I commented on his video, not your Kevs. Stop being a wannabe. . 🥜 👅😂😂😂😂
James I prefer a quality, experienced tradesman to a youthful enthusiastic one.
This guy sounds like a soft spoken Jamaican. That is something else. I can never understand what he is saying. Hahahahaha.
Bigot
@@randomcamerajunk6977 I'll take it on the chin. He speaks a different dialect of English that I just don't understand. 🧙🤭
Another great video has always Thomas and team. It's nice the boss joins in on the banter and practical jokes👍
Fucking love that your sending them to big Clive what a leg end.
In the Marines they teach us to grip the rope with your knees, makes it pretty easy even whilst carrying kit and a rifle on your back.
Calling it now, Christmas special is gona have guest appearances from the real Betty Crocker and Slep and Kovak
hopefully it'll be a panto
I'm waiting for that teardown by Big Clive, because I'm curious now too. Brilliant idea, BTW, to send him stuff, it made me find your channel before the YT algorithm suggested it.
I tore a few retrofit LED bulbs down, and the ones that failed prematurely were all victims of overheating. The weight difference between the old and new version could have one or two reasons: less aluminium for cooling and/or no potting compound.
This is my favourite work
Do you have this job for me
You lads are all so entertaining!
I’ve used Philips WarmGlow dimmable GU10s in my house. Bit more expensive than the LAP - I got them for about £2.50 each on Amazon, but they change colour temperature when you dim them (like the old halogens), and I’ve not had a single one of the (around) 60 burn out yet since I installed them a couple of years ago.
I use those Philips ones too - excellent, the dim-to-warm gives an extremely convincing tungsten effect.
Philips are awful for normal bulbs in my opinion. Every few months one goes out for us. HUE on the other hand is very reliable.
@@Horizon301. different manufacture just with a phillips tag on
@@creeperkiller007 that would explain why they are dog 💩 then
I did that at school in the PT class (Physical Training, misnamed as Physical Torture) several decades ago. Yes, you jump up, grab, the rope, then bring both feet as high as you can, locking the rope between them, and push up with your legs, regrab higher with your hands, and go again with bringing your feet as high as possible, etc. Pretty straight forward, and even for a non-physical twerp that I was, it was pretty simple, and easy.
Ooooh, I can’t wait for that BigClive video 😂
Solution to the grid switch fault will of course work but the more correct way is to have the switch upstream of the fuse, thus allowing the fan switch to isolate the fuse making for safer changing.
Great Content Guys ⚡️👊 Look forward to Friday vidz !!
Yeah they should have taken the fuses out to check they isolated what they thought it was isolating.
The fan would have stayed energized upon removal of the fuse and that is when they should have started investigating the wiring fault.
Installer needs to remember that there isn't sampling on new installations and 100% of the installation needs to tested and then subsequent results recorded on an Electrical installation certificate.
Great videos Thomas, keep it up mate! Inspiring!
More videos of just you doing something please. Your voice is better than the others
Big clive is awesome. Super like him!
Nice rolling magnet on the left there, good for finding screws you drop.
Might be a good idea to take the fuses out of the grid before testing so therefore you'll have an open circuit, but who's really going to do that lol.
I’ve used them Lap GU10’s for a while now and up till now found them reliable with no issues. Started using them as was getting annoyed paying more money for the likes of Bell / osram LED’s which were failing after a few months. Time will tell if Lap go downhill
love the outtakes :):)
I've used boxes and boxes of the LAP GU10s for a while and never had any fail, thanks for the heads up, I'll avoid the new ones
i under stood todays white board fault easyer than Tom trying to explain about the gu10.leave it to big Mike lol,look forward to video :o)
Just to let you know Tom the video quality has gone through the roof since you've got yourself a dedicated camera man and editing guy I'd imagine it takes a lot of stress and time off you doing it yourself from back in the day too.
Thumbs up
My fave sparking channel on UA-cam. Even better now that James supports the Arsenal 👊⚽️. Who do you follow Tom?
im going to take a guess and say that they have reduced the size of the heatsink in the lamp
11:09 They'll just be buying from the same OEM on the Shenzhen market
All hail the god Nagy
As a DITY-er, I used about 50 LAP fittings in in three-bed house. Less than four years on, four of them have failed. Three where a rocker switch no longer 'feels right' or doesn't work at all, and one dimmer where where the push no longer latches. Not acceptable.
Put a big knot in the bottom of the rope, it gives you a platform to get your feet in position so your aren't burning your arms out holding yourself up on the rope while you're trying to position your feet.
Also try and use the inner arch/side of the bottom foot and the inner arch/sole of the top foot to lock the rope between your feet you kind of have to twist your bottom foot inwards a bit and tilt it out a bit then use the inner arch/sole of the top foot to pin the rope.
Hope that makes sense it's quite hard to put into words 😅
My tip is that there is a set of stairs just over there which work perfectly well, no need for the rope 👍😂
When I fit a recessed light where its flush with the ceiling I write on the lamp when I fitted them and part number just in case Im not the next person just that little thing
I have noticed screwfix selling off all their old LED lighting, battens included, I have fitted a lot of the old style GU10s and candle lamps, and battens, with prob 1 or 2 failures in 4 years, I like them but now i'm worried they are gonna churn out shit... I hope not. The LAP stuff comes with 3 year warranty, do the new ones?...hmmm. let's see what Big C uncovers eh.
Welsh Elvis indeed!
Good on ya, James.
A lot of this shit like light bulbs and circuit-breakers are made in Pakistan/India with quality brands on them, at a 10th of the manufacture price, yet the mark-up on them is the same from a wholesaler.
down in quality and up in price, like everything
Good to see James is a gooner rocking the bruised banana face mask, Up The Arsenal
I have never heard of both LED light brands at all. If they are so similar that they just seem to be the same product, but under different brands, keep us posted about the longevity of each brand. Maybe there are some differences inside on the LED driver side?
Love James
I still have stock of wickes gu10s. Manage to get 400 for about 20p each clearance deal. No issues with them so far
What is the best dimmable GU10 to buy given we should not buy the lap ones ?
Bet you find that Clive discovers the power supply is different as well as heat dissipation has changed on those GU10s. Likely same as VCRs used to have 2 or 3 actual manufacturers and all the final 30 or 40 companies that sold them just added their brand names/logos to the enclosures.
Hi Tom just wondering whats your preferred dimmer switches and lamp combination to avoid buzzing etc.
Jay 👍
I'd stick to quality branded lamps, it only reflects on you when the customer has to replace them all in 12 months or they notice how flickery they are, if you're holding stock why not order a few hundred Osram/Philips/etc
Define quality lamps though, Ed C, I've seen them in boxes that say Osram and the like, this stuff is out-sourced, nice and cheap manufacture.
Remember, Clive is in Glasgow at the moment.
Really if the Physical attributes change so drastically it is really a different product and should have a new part code / SKU. Will be interesting to see the tear down to see the difference. The problem is companies chase higher margins and compete for better value / lower or static prices. That can only go so far before either design, quality or both are compromised. Once you have to go back an change out early failure lamps any price difference is wiped out. However as a working electrician you tend to stick with what works and is proved reliable. However if the manufacturer / seller changes the product without changing the part number - you don’t really stand a chance. Your supplier while good value is now costing you money and possible reputation dents. The issue is when you track the supply chain back to factory. It’s likely that the factory is white labelling for many value conscious brands and large wholesale group own brands. Depending how they buy ( direct or through agents ) it’s easy to see how control over quality gets lost. It’s simple to buy on basics Colour Temp Colour rendering Lumens out beam width etc oh and of course price. But past that the way things are designed manufactured assembled etc is the real story. if LED is not lasting many many times the life of tungsten lamps then there is something dramatically wrong.
Even I played a few bulbs on a house in a few rooms and dead dim and then in one room two rooms a dead britright can you replace a dimmer switch in the went back to brightness is that a sign of a bad dimmer switch and if I've got a dimmer switch downstairs will I need one upstairs
We were taught to have the rope in a turn around your leg before clamping it with your feet.
Surely if it was a ring circuit there would be no fault showing as there would be power at both ends of the fuse?
Re: the bulbs, I've been using poundland ones for donkeys.... not had an issue.... yet 😂😁
Are we finally meeting Betty Crocker on Friday? Think she’s earnt her keep just from the rights 😉😂
ROPE CLIMBING TECHNIQUE! pull up with your arms to get your feet off the ground, spread your legs apart, take your right leg and put it across the rope so that the rope runs along your inner thigh and dangles by the right side of your right ankle, loop your right foot under that dangling rope so that the rope lies across the top of your foot and now dangles down the inside of your foot... NOW take the sole of your left foot and clamp the rope tightly down onto the top of your right foot... in this position you can pretty much take all the weight off your arms, the climbing technique should come naturally! good luck!
Wessex is a Toolstation own brand, sourced from the Asian market as a white label product that is branded and specified to a certain standard. I suspect they are all made in the same factory by the same or similar suppliers.
Check out Sarah Backman the Swedish arm wrestler- climbs rope using no feet quicker than some walk up stairs 😂
12:40 Wot's that thing with the green handle and the wheels on the left do?
In the incorrectly wired grid switch does that not mean that both sockets are also limited to pulling 3 amps by the fuse?
That's going blow pretty quickly with a Kettle or something in the kitchen right?
Yes you'd be right, but once the fuse pops you'll just pull your current down one leg of the ring, essentially ending up with 2 undersized radials.
recently subscribed to you what are the hand held and cb raidoe's that you use called becuase i am on the hut for some and the seem like they could with stand a drop from a hight and my grandad want's to know as well please grate videos
There Inrico as we have them in are vans
@@KnugenMooMoo chears i will look for them as soon as
We had ropes at primary school PE. Easy to climb but always rope burns on the way down. Looks like LAP have changed to a shit alibaba suplier.Back in the day with the light bulb cartel of planned obsolecence. the companys didn't want to get caught. But nowadays, chinese supliers couldn't care less, as long as it turns on once then jobs a good'n.
Question is, how did the fuse blow if the ring integrity is in tact?
What's the rating for a fan fuse?
Well if a 2.5 ring can easily carry up to 50 odd amps then I would say it’s fairly obvious a fuse could blow well before the integrity of the cables is compromised by overcurrent.
Tom not comfortable with Christmas video going out.
I hope it not their version of the full monty.
Big Clive has probably got his own stock to compare and give you the answer .... don't forget to include a bottle of cheap rum in a plastic bottle ...... pens ? is that the best you can do ?
Why is the camera guy so camera shy?
Is he moonlighting or something? 🤔
Rope climbing tip: don't use your feet.
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Same factory in china? Wouldn't surprise me
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Don't call LAPP bad quality, 2 of my Friends works at there factory/wearhouse in Sweden. Good quality for what it is 😂
From the sounds of it, it must be good quality _garbage_ now.
Sweden? Lapland surely?
Hows dave getting on thomas
Had MODO Megaman for years 1 in 12 fail over 7-10 year's, get what ya pay for :(
Messing around last nite sunday nite?
The lamps will all come from the same factory in china in the millions, sold in bulk to the likes of screwfix and toolstation who slap their own label on it, they go through their various supply chains and travel thousands of miles to be reunited in your unit.
S or J hook for the rope plenty of videos on here demonstrating
Omg first xoxoxox
Evening
Inside the knee outside the foot. An make a T
Little spelling mistake in title bud.
5th lol
Yo
Lap is rubbish, no tradesmen should be installing them
Lap rhymes with crap. That tells you everything you need to know.
Would of been better with actual footage from the jobs.
Bored of the Welsh bloke now. What’s the channel called again!
Mate, get over it. If you don't enjoy the content, don't watch it. It really is that simple!
It takes less effort to switch the video off than to spout your small mindedness in the comments, yet here you are...
@@kevinbinnie6940 I skipped it ya 🔔 end once the boy came on.😂😂😂 .. Ya Nagy nut rubber.
@Steve S I'm a nagy nut rubber for not caring too much of his total screen time, but you've got your tighty whities in a twist because he wasn't in every frame of the video.
I hope you come to see the flaw in your logic there.
@@kevinbinnie6940 Come on Kevin. You are still Nagys sack tickling reply tool. I commented on his video, not your Kevs. Stop being a wannabe. . 🥜 👅😂😂😂😂
Ps. I’m don’t wear them. I’m commando and clean shaven down there. …S**T. Too much info for you. You ain’t coming nowhere near my tool bag. 😂 👅👅🥜🥜