@@weshuiz1325 hfdjkghsj i'm still trying to figure out the origin of this meme - is it that one commercial abt a tiny tabletop helper-bot?? One of the interactions in that ad are the same
There's something amusing about the fact that the thing that trips this run up is being needed for vertical ascents when he's the only one of the three that doesn't fly, glide, or climb.
Tails: "But then we got stuck in the city so Eggman got away..." Sonic: "What tripped you up?" Knuckles: "There was this really tall pole, and... yeah that wasn't happening." Sonic: "... You-- You guys. What the hell are you talking about? You can climb walls, can't you?" Knuckles: "I can climb what now?" Sonic: "Oh for the love of-- Fine, I'll go with you." And then the actual game started.
*years later in Sonic 06* Knuckles: Oh right walls, I can climb those can't I. Sonic: ... Knuckles: Uh Sonic... I can't get down... Sonic: You're an idiot... Just jump off the wall! Knuckles: That's what I'm trying to do!!
Sonic: "Tails, can't you just fly up?" Tails: "Well, yes, but I can'y fly high enough" Sonic: "Don't you have multiple planes? Why are you even running through the city in the first place?"
Kind of ironic how pretty much all the advantages the speed type gives are based on getting past long distances/heights, which sounds like something the fly type should be able to handle.
its been a while since ive played this games so correct me if im wrong , but dont you have to unlock the other teams. otherwise this is such a solid loophole he should have mentioned it in the video. lol
I find it really interesting that in both challenges you got stuck at the exact same spot in Hang Castle. You couldn’t clear it with only Sonic cause Tails needed to pull the lever, and you couldn’t complete it without him because you need the Lightspeed Dash
Not only that, but the only other level Sonic got stuck at, Bullet Station, was also one of the levels Tails and Knuckles got stuck at. Just goes to show that teamwork is essential if you wanna beat Eggman. ...now if only we could tell that to the past 14 years of games...
It is sad that neither of these challenges are completable, but there is a nice moral: “Sometimes, you have to work with others to get something done.”
What's funny is Knuckles from SA1 or SA2 could just glide/climb through all of this and do it solo. It's not Knuckles and Tails holding Sonic back, it's the other two holding Knuckles back.
I'm pretty sure someone already made this comment but I might as well anyway xD: 6:00 You can actually make it past that section using Thundershoot with Tails. He'll convert every shot into small bursts of forward momentum without depleting the flight meter. It's slow, but it is possible to make that gap. Awesome videos as always Nate!
If I remember correctly, if you use thunder shoot, and move forward slightly, you get a very small movement without using your boost while flying. It's very small, but it would make tons of these horizontal jumps possible.
I noticed someone who played Team Chaotix, they were able to infinitely fly with Charmy doing a flight glitch (takes time) if this can also work with Tails it might be possible to beat this game without Sonic.
There are 2 flight tricks that could be used to get past some of the pole/flower obstacles. Using thundershoot stops the flight gauge from emptying for a short time, and there's a way to the flight boost without actually landing (it's been ages since I played, so I don't remember if it's possible with teams other than Rose and Chaotix, but I do remember it being very difficult to pull off if you're not flying into a wall).
Btw, it's possible to disable characters completely. I've done it before using the Sonic Heroes Trainer. I'd recommend trying it if you don't want characters you don't wanna use just hanging around.
7:29 as a kid when I was playing through this level, I didn’t know how to wall-jump as sonic. Though it took me hours of trying and failing to get past it through other means, I actually ended up finding this trick with tails that’s showcased here, and it was the only reason I was ever able to complete the game. I’m sure I wasn’t the first one to do it, but I’ve always thought it was kinda cool that I figured out how to do an exploit like that at such a young age.
I hate when I get the random urge to play this game, I've always loved it. I wish they would make a part 2, love the sonic games you play as multiple characters
There's this one trick you can do to go up poles without using Sonic or Shadow, you have to gather everyone with power formation (Knuckles or Omega), then as you jump and the characters fly around you, immediately switch to Tails or Rouge and then apparently you can also gain wind from that and the flight formation character can swing up.
Bullet Station is possible. After the Area where Team Rose finishes the level you go on Some rails and you can do a glide with Knuckles that get you far enough to skip the poles.
A lot of the times you need a long flight distance, you can do it Thunder shooting stops the flight bar from draining, so when you fly, you can move and shoot at the same time to get extra distance, and if you micromanage it, you can go far horizontally
isn't it possible to use these tornado poles without sonic though? I remember that getting 3 yellow tails orbs his attacks have an effect where when you shoot these tornado poles you can use them as if you used sonics tornado on them
Alternative answer: switch to teams Dark, Rose, or Chaotix
ikr
Doesn't change much though.
´kk
@@SakataLouis True, but the title of the video and the challenge specifically states Sonic. And last I checked, Shadow, Amy and Espio are not Sonic.
That's what I thought on the last one
Sonic: What is my purpose.
Tails and Knuckles: You use the tornado.
Sonic: Oh my god..
only 2000 IQ people get this joke
Tails and Knuckles: Yeah welcome to the club.
Rick the Mortyhog
@@weshuiz1325 I don't even play the game and I got it.
@@weshuiz1325 hfdjkghsj i'm still trying to figure out the origin of this meme - is it that one commercial abt a tiny tabletop helper-bot?? One of the interactions in that ad are the same
"You might be surprised on how vital sonic is to beat this game" Yes, sonic is needed in sonic heroes.
people die when they are killed
Every 60 seconds in africa, a minute passes.
When you are sleeping, you aren't awake
The horror game is scary.
When it rains, there is some water.
Anyone: Can you beat Sonic Heroes without Sonic? He doesn't actually have many unique abili--
Tornado Poles: I'm gonna have to stop you right there
Hang Castel: Laughs in victory
And floating rings....and handle bars...
@@kevinvu5432 and triangle jumps.
And flowers
also, if the helicopter propeller wasnt in egg fleet, the part where you destroy a blue egg ship requires sonic's rocket blast technique.
There's something amusing about the fact that the thing that trips this run up is being needed for vertical ascents when he's the only one of the three that doesn't fly, glide, or climb.
It’s almost annoying, sort of
Yep
Aw yes, my favorite game, Heroes.
And Knuckles
@@samirjohnson4524 it's called: Heroes special and gold version and knuckles
Y
Shadow the UA-camr
Y Not?
& Knuckles
@@samirjohnson4524 New Funky Mode!
Last time: “sonic hero”
This time: “heroes”
Next time: “hero”
Next next time: “”
Read this in a Dragonball z narrator voice
@@moonshatter785 *slow clap*
@@cosmicmemelord thank you ig
Next next next time: "
Next next next next time:
next time: *_sonic_*
How to beat the game without sonic
Me an intellectual : Chooses team dark.
Big brain time.
Do team chaotix
Awesomeness11 "Team Faker"
Team rose
Pros: not having to use Sonic, or having to listen to Big/Charmy
Cons: the atrocious level design of Team Dark
Tails: "But then we got stuck in the city so Eggman got away..."
Sonic: "What tripped you up?"
Knuckles: "There was this really tall pole, and... yeah that wasn't happening."
Sonic: "... You-- You guys. What the hell are you talking about? You can climb walls, can't you?"
Knuckles: "I can climb what now?"
Sonic: "Oh for the love of-- Fine, I'll go with you."
And then the actual game started.
You just reminded me he can do that
"SEGA nerfed me Sonic...that and half of the poles lack walls."
*years later in Sonic 06*
Knuckles: Oh right walls, I can climb those can't I.
Sonic: ...
Knuckles: Uh Sonic... I can't get down...
Sonic: You're an idiot... Just jump off the wall!
Knuckles: That's what I'm trying to do!!
@@Superluigi881 the code:..my plan is moving forward... one down, 3 to go.
Sonic: "Tails, can't you just fly up?"
Tails: "Well, yes, but I can'y fly high enough"
Sonic: "Don't you have multiple planes? Why are you even running through the city in the first place?"
Sonic: >Only Used Yesterday<
Today: >No Sonic<
Sonic: We've been tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly, bamboozled
I’ll wait for another episode of Sonic Heroes without any characters so I can say “It’s now called ____ ____
Now it's called place holder
Not Sonic Heroes
"Can you beat Sonic Heroes using only "
"..."
"..."
"Bind you, confine you, defying your reign"
An interesting way of playing this game. Never actually really thought about playing this game without Sonic
1st
How did you comment 23 hours ago
@InfiniteGamer 4307
Because he’s a member.
I used to play without sonic as a kid most of the time bc he was too fast for little four year old me to manage lmao
@@aston514 who cares
Kind of ironic how pretty much all the advantages the speed type gives are based on getting past long distances/heights, which sounds like something the fly type should be able to handle.
True all the things they couldn’t pass was the speed character using something to go long distances
Sega: Here’s a sonic game
With Sonic
He is in the game for almost the whole thing
But you can’t play as him
2 minutes in.... Nope.
That's just shadow the hedgehog
Seems accurate
And Tails Adventure,Tails Skypatrol,Tails and the Music Maker and Knuckles Chaotixs
Chaotix
Tails and Knuckles: we're going to save Amy
Sonic: 😐✌️ _proceed to disappear_
Also tails and knuckles: proceeds to kill amy
Now it's called Tails & Knuckles.
And Knuckles
Knuckles heroes
Knuckles' knuckles and Tails
I am.the main character now
@@webs2099 &knuckles
*First we have **_Sonic just Sonic,_** then **_Heroes,_** sooner or later, we'll have only **_Tails Heroes._*
@Retro Boy 12 So true, I was never able to beat it. Team Rose was a breeze.
Heroes *and Knuckles*
@@kristaslips9556 &KNUCKLES
Tails heroes and knuckles
Knuckles heroes & Knuckles
All you have to do is play as one of the other teams, it's that simple.
its been a while since ive played this games so correct me if im wrong , but dont you have to unlock the other teams. otherwise this is such a solid loophole he should have mentioned it in the video. lol
@@alexdaubenspeck4339 No, you don't have to. (At least in the PS2 port, which is what I have.)
Metal Madness requires Sonic The Hedgehog and his team story to be completed....
Tails and Knuckles: Sonic needs a vacation, we can beat Eggman without him!
Pole: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
9:58
When you can't complete a quarter of the game without Sonic
It’s amazing to realize how useful each character is in this game.
"You need Sonic to beat Sonic Heroes"
*Surprised Pikachu face*
Tails and knuckles: We don’t need sonic anymore
Sonic: but my gli-
Tails and knuckles: BEGONE
Tails & *Knuckles*
[after watching the video]
Sonic: You could not live with your failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.
I find it really interesting that in both challenges you got stuck at the exact same spot in Hang Castle. You couldn’t clear it with only Sonic cause Tails needed to pull the lever, and you couldn’t complete it without him because you need the Lightspeed Dash
Not only that, but the only other level Sonic got stuck at, Bullet Station, was also one of the levels Tails and Knuckles got stuck at. Just goes to show that teamwork is essential if you wanna beat Eggman.
...now if only we could tell that to the past 14 years of games...
damn who thought sonics stripper job would get in the way of winning
I find it funny how a sonic and knuckles duo could probably beat this game
They can't pull that switch in hang castle for the rocket accel
It is sad that neither of these challenges are completable, but there is a nice moral:
“Sometimes, you have to work with others to get something done.”
Nathaniel: can you beat sonic heroes without sonic
Me: yeah obviously that’s easy
Also me: using shadows team
then reach metal madness without sonic see if that's possibble
@@supersaiyan3619 They think clever even though there comments aren't original or true.
What's funny is Knuckles from SA1 or SA2 could just glide/climb through all of this and do it solo. It's not Knuckles and Tails holding Sonic back, it's the other two holding Knuckles back.
Ah yes, my favorite game
Heroes, how to forget Team
Those little circles on the sonic heroes logo, I bet they inspired how the snacks for the spirits look in super smash bro’s ultimate
:O
The Chad *_Sonic Heroes without Sonic_* VS The Virgin *_Sonic Heroes with only Sonic_*
Hi again
*Just play with another team your technically not playing as sonic*
Exactly what I was thinking. When you use Amy, Shadow or Espio, you're not Sonic.
He has to beat all teams story’s to access the final boss
True maybe he could have called it "beating the game without using Speed Formation"
S H L O N K S
IKR
Nathaniel Bandy: Releases video only using Sonic
Also Nathaniel Bandy: *uno reverse card*
I'm pretty sure someone already made this comment but I might as well anyway xD: 6:00 You can actually make it past that section using Thundershoot with Tails. He'll convert every shot into small bursts of forward momentum without depleting the flight meter. It's slow, but it is possible to make that gap. Awesome videos as always Nate!
If I remember correctly, if you use thunder shoot, and move forward slightly, you get a very small movement without using your boost while flying. It's very small, but it would make tons of these horizontal jumps possible.
For a second I thought it was a re-upload
He said yesterday he would upload
this.
Same here
This is a stale meme but uhh...
Tails
*& Knuckles*
Interesting cuz i always thought most of the stages had so many power and flight obstacles but barely any speed obstacles
But who needs knuckles when you have tails?
First, only Sonic.
Now, no Sonic.
Up next: & Knuckles
So basically, Sonic's most important job is pole dancing... That's a sentence I didn't expect to say
So this is why Amy wants him
Yesterday: Sonic
Today: Heroes
Looks like Tails wasn't ready to be the main character after all
Reminds me of when I tried to beat Sonic Heroes with only Tails and Cream. It wasn't very possible at all. But it was fun!
Is it possible to beat sonic 06? That’s a tough one
OH HELL NAH
I mean, there is a method to do that, but it requires a lot of well timed glitchiness
Actually you can beat Sonic 06. The real question is: can you beat Sonic 06 without running into glitches? I doubt it.
9:31 my eyes are bleeding. Thank you, drawn monstrosity.
You should definitely try this challenge with the other teams! Should be interesting considering how different some teams are, most notably chaotix.
Yes, the team rose missions are shorter, so they may lack some of the challenges
Do another one with Team Dark, Rose or Chaotix
wouldn't it essentially be the same
Team Rose one will be interesting since levels are shorter.
sonic is more important then tails and knuckles
wow
This is Sonic Heroes after all.
Damn it, I was expecting the intro to be, "heroes, heroes, heroes, heroes."
My favorite game HEROES.
This caught me off guard since I was watching the one with Sonic earlier.
Me: This is possible
The Game: Negative Chief
Is it possible to beat sonic heroes without big? HELL NO
Should be titled "sonic wins by doing absolutely nothing"
Take a shot every time he says "flight flight boost" you'll die of alcohol poisoning
Boring
Video is 10 minutes long
me: ok i guess they do diss fast
Nathaniel: neh we are 2 minutes in we can´t make it
me: ARE YOU FRICKING KIDDING ME
Tails: I can get past anything
Poles and long distances: allow us to introduce ourselves
*Oh really the main character of the game is vital to the game* ”
Challenge Idea: Mario Odyssey without Cappy
Bowser section
@@jeremysorejian The power line at the end of the Cap Kingdom.
ua-cam.com/video/zmFEYtn5iLU/v-deo.html
ahh yes my favorite megaman zero song
I noticed someone who played Team Chaotix, they were able to infinitely fly with Charmy doing a flight glitch (takes time) if this can also work with Tails it might be possible to beat this game without Sonic.
This video made me realize how important sonic is in this game.
I always thought he was mostly there just to speed up the game
He's the star of the games series. You can't beat any game without him.
When is How NB is mind blowing?
That’s why Sonic is in Smash where Tails and Knuckles are only there for the olympics
7:59
Tails: Come on, come on, come on, Yeah!
Knuckles: Got it!
Me: Yeah ya did. :P
I do remember that at level 3 Tails' Thunder Shoot or Knuckes' aerial smashes gains wind properties, allowing to use poles and sunflowers.
I stayed up for this upload..
And it didn't dissapoint me
There are 2 flight tricks that could be used to get past some of the pole/flower obstacles. Using thundershoot stops the flight gauge from emptying for a short time, and there's a way to the flight boost without actually landing (it's been ages since I played, so I don't remember if it's possible with teams other than Rose and Chaotix, but I do remember it being very difficult to pull off if you're not flying into a wall).
Now that's what I'd like to call
*REUPLOADED VIDEO*
Nathaniel: did it possible?
Also Nathaniel: It isn't...
*Fly hack: Are you sure about it?*
im having such nostalgia, this game was one of my childhood games
Btw, it's possible to disable characters completely. I've done it before using the Sonic Heroes Trainer. I'd recommend trying it if you don't want characters you don't wanna use just hanging around.
“It is NOT poss…”
(Leaves video)
7:29 as a kid when I was playing through this level, I didn’t know how to wall-jump as sonic. Though it took me hours of trying and failing to get past it through other means, I actually ended up finding this trick with tails that’s showcased here, and it was the only reason I was ever able to complete the game. I’m sure I wasn’t the first one to do it, but I’ve always thought it was kinda cool that I figured out how to do an exploit like that at such a young age.
Tails: hey sonic why do u know how to ride up a pool?
Sonic: uhhhhh
Sonic: *flashbacks to when he was a male stripper*
I hate when I get the random urge to play this game, I've always loved it. I wish they would make a part 2, love the sonic games you play as multiple characters
Sonic:oh cool, a new game for me
Knuckles and tails:SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW
There's this one trick you can do to go up poles without using Sonic or Shadow, you have to gather everyone with power formation (Knuckles or Omega), then as you jump and the characters fly around you, immediately switch to Tails or Rouge and then apparently you can also gain wind from that and the flight formation character can swing up.
Bullet Station is possible. After the Area where Team Rose finishes the level you go on Some rails and you can do a glide with Knuckles that get you far enough to skip the poles.
Two minutes into the video and it is already proved that it isn't possible.
The final boss is metal overlord metal madness is his 2nd form overlord is the form sonic fights
>Why is this video so sporadic???
>Video is 10 minutes.
>Oh....$$$
oh my god bruh, 6:42 why was touching those things felt so good? even after more han a decade it feels good to watch that
I like how the title says "sonic heroes" but its only team sonic's story
Even though this was a disappointment, I still enjoyed this. Videos like these are very entertaining to watch.
That ending plug for the previous video actually made me hope for another one of these, like from one of the other teams or something
2:25 already? Dam
A lot of the times you need a long flight distance, you can do it
Thunder shooting stops the flight bar from draining, so when you fly, you can move and shoot at the same time to get extra distance, and if you micromanage it, you can go far horizontally
As always, wonderful video!
Cool. Now try the Chaotix missions with only Espio.
Who knew sonic would be needed as much as this
4:45 ah yeah. CriticalCyd, my favorite speedrunner :0
(yeah it's 3 year old video)
isn't it possible to use these tornado poles without sonic though? I remember that getting 3 yellow tails orbs his attacks have an effect where when you shoot these tornado poles you can use them as if you used sonics tornado on them
Sonic
“Am I a joke to you?”
ahh yes, Beating HEROS
Ah yes, *[Name Deleted]* Heros. i remember playing as *[Name Deleted]*.
Sonic really likes his poles. Maybe we found one he can dance with?