This is the kind of video that makes new folks to the hobby like me feel welcomed. So much technical stuff to learn, so much jargon to decode...which is part of the fun, for sure, but this kind of video makes the fun more pleasant. As another commenter mentioned, wonderful presentation on inputs, the pros and cons. Thanks, Lachlan, for making our audiophile journeys more rewarding. Happy New Year!
Yay! I'm so happy to read that because that was my exact intention - zero jargon (as much as possible) and not over complicating things. Digital audio in particular can get very bewildering very fast! Happy new year to you too!!
I recently switched from an AKM4499 DAC to a Denafrips Ares 15th R2R. It sounds a bit better and complements my bright headphones a bit better. I'm an R2R fan now.
The original Ares 2 was my conversion point. Later upgraded to a Pontus 2 and now a Holo Cyan 2. I no longer even look at delta sigma dacs. They can be better but for waaay more money.
@@renatomorais8136I just recently got my Cyan 2, and I'm surprised that I very much prefer my Geshelli AK4499 with the Sparkos 2590 op amps. But again, it's all about synergy. My speakers (2 different pairs from Zu Audio) aren't bright and edgy, so the Cyan 2 came across as a bit veiled and muffled up high. I'm pretty sure if I had Focal or MBL, the R2R would've likely been preferable. The Geshelli is what works best with my HI-FI rig as it stands right now, but I'm happy for you getting your hands on the Cyan. It's majorly impressive, especially considering the price.
That does, however, bring up an issue. Reviewers compare streamers using their internal DACs. As such, you don't hear performance comparisons of their different digital outputs. For example, I now realize that because of your video, the significance of Schiit's Unison USB. But to make use of this option, you need a streamer with a USB output. But what if you have a streamer without that option (like a Wiim)? Would an Eversolo sound better with the Schiit simply because you can make use of the Unison option?
@pcm9969 potentially! High quality streamers will use high quality circuits and clocks to ensure excellent sound via any output, but cheaper units like the WiiMs can sound better outputting via USB vs SPDIF.
Thanks for one of the best overviews that I have heard so far. I have tested a number of DACs in my system, and in my opinion the difference between different brands and technologies is far from subtle.
I agree that some DACs can be vastly different (especially if they use different approaches) while others can be super hard to differentiate (e.g. similar Delta Sigma DACs)
It's not correct, which might cause confusion, but as far as the end result goes, it'll do. DSD is not a way to decode but to encode, it's a file type used for masters. As is the more common PCM for CDs. But that's all too technical for this video.
Happy New Year. A great summary video, particularly for those grappling with putting a system together. One issue maybe worth considering is output level of the DAC because this can vary considerably, and affect compatibility when considering input sensitivity downstream Ideally manufacturers would standardise on 2v single ended and 4v balanced but sadly not all do and output can vary from below 2v up to nearly 10v resulting in unusable or restricted volume control.
Thank you for such a clear and concise explanation. You have really helped me understand the timing differences between input cables. I’m currently waiting on my Schiit Yggdrasil MIB version to ship. I am looking forward to exploring the differences in sound for all the input cable types. Cheers from Nashville, TN!
I have many different zigma Delta DAC , ESS Topping, AKM Topping, and many other, i have also NAIM reference DAC with external DR 555 power supply. This DAC has right implementation R2R with 40 bit DSP from Analog device. I always go for this DAC , organic, sounds stage, micro resolutions. 👋👋👋👋👋
They have now this ND 555 Network Audio Player, it has pcm1704k R2R . Mine DAC is NAIM reference DAC . The new ND555 is new version of this . Don't forget you should have their external power supply to get 24bit resolution. It is expensive but warmly recommend to you . They have white papper about it , explaining how it is build. Just google for " ND555 white papper " @@luislunacortez1929
Fantastic subject coverage. pretty much a go to vid for all things DAC. Although this has not much to do with this, I use to think you just couldn't get top notch performance doing both task in a DAC/AMP combo. Well, in 2024 that was my biggest eye opening purchase / knowledge; the Aune S9c Pro Dac-Amp. I used to have an expensive Schiit Dac and Headamp costing 4 times as much but this Aune is by far better silkier, as powerful and a do it all well machine. This was the year of the Aune for me this year. Thanks for the video!
Differences between r2r and delta sigma are not filters. Reconstruction / low pass filters are always needed for pcm signal and there is no any difference between ds and r2r here. Both dac topologies needs exactly the same filters, and both can also work without filters in Nos mode, but in such case signal is not properly reconstructed - mainly without proper high part of the spectrum and with ultrasonic artefacts introduced. Filters mainly can be divided to slow and fast ones. Slow should have less filtering artefacts, but not fully accurate higs. Fast can have some artefacts, but they have better highs reproduced. Real differences - r2r is native, direct ("analog" in some way) pcm "resolving", without additional math operations. Perfect in time domain. Delta Sigma is not native - it's conversion to dsd on the fly, using a lot of processing like feedback loop and noise shaping techniques - it's conversion needed for simple (mostly created to be cheap) one bit chips, not perfect in time domain. R2R is better for pcm as native solution, Delta Sigma is better for Dsd (native one bit files) - but dsd files are worth anything only when file was never converted to pcm during mastering phase. Which is very rare. Delta sigma has In theory better parameters but due to processing - mainly noise shaping. So they are in some way, artificial. R2R has usually worse parameters (depended from quality of used resistors), but they are real, native, not result of any processing. Time domain is much more important that all kinds of sinad's/thdn's, but can not be measured in clear way. They have influence within complex signal of real music, not on simple tests tones. Artificial tests tones even multitones, ale not enough to say near anything. Bt can be perfect connection from quality point of view when lossless codec would be used. Regarding connections, only optic is providing galvanic isolation (lack of galvanic isolation can influence clock and create jitter, usb can be very noisy), so in many cases it's better than usb, despite being synchronous. Unless there is significant problem with source clock. Then usb can be better, but to achieve better lower noise, slower uac mode 1 should be used rather than faster uac 2.
You're way too technical for beginners. And correct on almost everything except for the first statement on low pass filtering. R2R can do without LP filtering. There will be aliasing tones when you use test tones but that never occurs with music where treble >10kHz hardly ever exceeds -40dB. I preferred my R2R dac without any filter. Sigma Delta, due to the way it works, produces a lot more and aggressive HF noise (than MB) and therefore it must be filtered. You are very correct about the importance of timing and the artificial nature of SD treble detail. That's why R2R sounds more natural.
@@PassionforSound with all my respect for your great work, unfortunatelly not fully correct info can be worse for everyone - can result with confusion. Small correction and explanation above is very easy in fact :) You can all say in very simple way. Delta Sigma dacs are conversion (to cheap 1bit circuit), with invasive processing. Output has better parameters but mostly on paper. In practice can be said that this method is kind of "lossy". R2R are native - simply natural, direct, without processing, Lossless. In some way "analog". Filters are exactly the same, and must be used in both to achieve correct output (waveform). As is required by form of record and storage used by all digital files currently in use - pcm. Can not be simpler :)
@@Jeep_on_audio Beginner can always ask and receive explanation in more easy words if needed. R2R can work in Nos mode the same as DS. But all high tones above about 3khz will be exactly the same broken (not reconstructed) in both. The same tones used in normal music. Technically all spectrum from low to highs will be be in the same - aliased, highly quantified, also in not reconstructed form. But from 3khz simply lot worse than below. I do not see nos mode sense in listening. This is not ended Niquist reconstruction process. It was intended for equipment created to work on pair with external filter. Not for direct use. Without filter there is simply no any sinus. Rather "collection of squares". For this reason Nos highs are rolled off, and Nos mode is called super slow mode. But this is not natural effect. This is very strong, huge distorsion, nothing in pair with source. But if in practice sounds better for someone - this is what is really important, nothing more :) DS from theory should present a lot more of aggressive HF - but I do not see such significant difference in my spectrum analisys. Which is strange, I would expect lot more difference.. In practice in case of real music, not test tones, both topologies are presenting a lot of HF response (but not significant amplitude), r2r also. (in case of denafrips partialy due to still active oversampling). In practice, DS in Nos mode do not present additional artefacts in listening and do not damage speakers - what many peoples are afraid of. Simply, there is no practical difference. Youre right that in theory filter is required for ds due to noise shaping, based on theory i would say the the same and expect a lot more, but in practice output is similar. I'm not using Nos mode for myself in practice, but I used it in both r2r and ds dacs long time "for science" - without difference. What is in practice requiring filtering is pcm reconstruction proces itself, based on Niquist. Without filter, output signal, output waveform, has nothing to do with recorded signal. It's very highly distorted. It's simply not even wave. Which can be fully observed on oscilloscope image.
The best DAC I ever heard in my whole life -- and I've heard a lahhhhhhhhhhhht of DACs -- was the DCS-built "ring DAC" inside the Arcam FMJ CD23T. Shame it didn't come with a digital input or I'd still have that puppy, my goodness was that thing glorious.
I once heard a DCS Bartok and it was quite something. Can't tell you how something it was because it was a demo system where that 20k Dac was probably the cheapest component. Subjectively I think my favourite was a Chord Dave that was in a more down to Earth system. That was still a 10k Dac... What I never heard but I'm pretty sure would be my ultimate/unsubscribe-from-news-about-dacs would be the Holo May. Missed an used one for 3k a couple of years ago and still banging my head into the wall about it.
Excellent overview! Would be nice to hear about the role of op-amps in DACs and the effect of swappable op-amps! Can be a topic for a separate episode.
I have 3 DACs with the following chips: Texas Instruments PCM5242 DAC, ESS 9018K2M, and twin ESS SABRE 9018Q2Cs. They all sound a little different and perfectly fine, the TI is the less pleasing of the three though.
@@PassionforSoundjust got a Geshelli J3 with the newer AKM chip, based on your thorough review. It’s a superb DAC in all respects. It makes just a lovely airy sound and handles the high frequencies like a champ.
It's not a common thing to hear someone go through the interconnect properties like you did here. Well done, given how much confusion this causes amongst new folks. It would worry me though, if a streamer had better clocks than my DAC.
Some people might buy a premium streamer like a Lumin or Auralic and pair it with a budget DAC thinking it's all they need so it's possible, but hopefully not common. 🙂
Like always great information. You are my go to for headphone reviews since I have noticed we have similar sound perspective Would love it if you review the Focal Hadenys. I'm thinking of upgrading my Focal Elex. Keep up the great work. Thank you
I have 2in1 Burson conductor 3XR and more than satisfied. Not sure if buying smth like holo cyan 2 which cost as much as the whole burson will make a significant difference. Maybe some day ill check on this route)
The 3XR is a nice unit, but a higher quality, dedicated DAC can provide further sonic improvements. The challenge is that you'll then want an even better amp to get the most out of the better DAC
Thx, all great info, but the problem is that you can't find all of the DAC'a at resellers to actually listen to them or they don't have trial periods when purchased. I am looking to get a new DAC and I'm leaning towards buying a Denafrips Pontus 15 (with the Venus 12 internals) or the Gishelli Labs Dayzee (with upgraded chip set), both in the $1,800 range. My system with a Byston 4B ST power amp and B&W Natalus 803 speakers is nutral to warm, and I beleave both of the fore mentioned options would work well in it even after adding a new tube preamp in a few months. I should mention that I have a large album collection, in the past my system has been heavily influanced by that, though now I listen to just as much via streaming and CD. Not being able to hear either of the DAC's, I was looking for some suggestions, as hard as that is without more info;) The one thing I liked about the Pontus 15 is the I2S connector, for my CDT. Where as the socketed chips helps to future proof the Dayzee. But as you state, all other things being equal, it comes down to which one sounds better to you.
It is very tricky with so few opportunities for auditioning the options side-by-side. Unfortunately, I can't help with your choices because I've not heard the current Denafrips options.
The Pontus 15 is a very solid choice. A very good R2R for a very decent price. I don't want to say anything bad about Geshelli labs other than that it's just another sigma delta dac. The upgradable opamps are great but won't make it more future proof. Just an upgrade option. If you look at the power supply etc, the execution of every detail on the Pontus, all of which contributes to better sound, it's pretty much a no brainer. FYI I just upgraded my Ares II to the new Laiv Harmony io the Venus because of size, looks, features and sound.
I love my Qutest, but the differences between filters is soooooo subtle that I’ve occasionally wondered if it was a practical joke by Rob Watts to put a button on a phenomenal dac that does nothing but change colors. I prefer the appearance orange light. Lol.
Haha. I know what you mean. Realistically, two of the four options should be indistinguishable because they just add super high frequency filtering in case you're using an M-Scaler. That said, even on the various ESS/AKM type DACs, the filter changes are fairly irrelevant because they're so subtle.
Thank you for this! Great info. I'm trying to figure out the best way to play Local music files. I'm debating creating a network with NAS for multiple sound systems, but am also wondering if I should just use an external drive connected to the DAC and then control the input via ethernet or wifi (I realize I'll need software to do this. Don't want the expensive Roon option, so I'm looking at JRiver & Audirvana plus others). This has been confusing to figure out. I do not have ethernet in the walls currently and a network will require running new cables, getting up in the attic, etc (this is the most difficult for me to install). I probably won't be listening to multiple rooms at the same time, so while inconvenient, I could move the external drive from room to room as needed. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks again.
Network based audio is always a little bit tricky, but JRiver is excellent (I haven't tried Audirvana yet). I wouldn't worry too much about needing wired ethernet everywhere and would probably go for the NAS setup connected near a router and then get various WiFi capable endpoints for playback on the rooms where you want sound. Actually, I just realised that Plex could be a good solution for this because it's available on most NAS devices and is very easy to use. I just don't know which setup will be best for accessing and streaming to your endpoints because that will depend on the range of devices you're using there.
Great video and explanations of everything. There's so many options, so for people who are new to audio it can be daunting. I originally went with Schiit products, and have actually stuck with them, but it was because the Schiit Magni was so insanely simple, you buy the Amplifier and then buy the RCA to 3.5mm cable and just connect it to your PC and plugs your headphones in. Later on I wanted to get a DAC. I figured the Schiit Modi made sense, and that was just a matter of replacing the RCA to 3.5mm with 2x RCA to RCA cables plugged from the Amp to the DAC with the USB from the DAC to the PC. Simple as that. Was a fun experiment with the audio and components, and that's what got me in to audio. That was around 6 years ago, time really flies.
In your search for tes tracks check out Santa Fe by Luke Sital-Singh & Lisa Hannigan. Well recorded, lovely vocals! I found it on Tidal if you love it as much as I do the album release is in February signed prerelease is available for £22 (12 of that is international shipping). Support the arts!
Maybe something misunderstood in here because some dacs can reclocking the spdif signal coming from the cd transport . Maybe our reviewer can figure it out which DACS can relock the spdif because I m interested in buying a dac and use my cd player as a transport . Thanks
They have exactly the same type of connection, but their purpose is vastly different. HDMI is used for conveying video and audio data, as you already know, while the I2S is used to convey both the timing data as well as the signal data for a given song along two separate paths within the connector. Normally, both the timing and signal paths are conveyed via the same wires...meaning these signals then have to be unbundled, which can introduce noise and jitter. But, I2S separates those signals... thus ensuring the signals are as pure as they can be. Hope that helps.
No. i²s or iis, where the 'i's stands for integrated circuit is the designation of the connection inside a CD player between input and dac ic's. HDMI arc is 'audio return channel' for connecting a soundbar to the tv while using tv volume control over a standard HDMI cable. For using i²s between devices you can use any cable as there is no standard. HDMI or RJ45 network cable are most common, but the PS audio way to use a HDMI cable is getting ever closer to being a standard.
Hi, I have an SMSL SU-9 DAC and a Douk Audio U2 Pro. I’m considering the best way to connect them to my computer. Would it be a good idea to use the U2 Pro as an intermediary, connecting it to the computer via USB and then to the SU-9 through the coaxial output? Also, what’s your opinion on the performance of the Douk Audio U2 Pro as a USB-to-digital interface? Is it a good option for optimizing audio quality? Great video. Greetings from Peru!"
I haven't heard the U2 Pro, but I suspect USB direct from the PC might be better because that will use the SU-9 DAC clocks and the U2 Pro doesn't seem to have especially good clocks. If you are able to try both, that's what I'd recommend and see which you prefer the sound of.
Lots of good advice here! Only there's a slight technical mix-up, an error in the beginning about DSD. DSD is not a way of decoding, it's technically a file format invented and trademarked by Sony and Philips for storing masters. So it's a system for digitally ENcoding an audio signal. A single bit, high frequency method. Mathematically I describe it as the derivative of a function (like saying very fast where it's going; up up up, down, up, down, up, down down down). Only as any math graduate knows, you need a starting value for this. Every so often when entropy strikes (ie errors occur) you need a new reference point. As opposed to PCM, a different way of describing your waveform. Where you 'slowly' (still 44.1kHz) looking at the signal and measuring how high it is in 2^16 steps. Like now its 51, now it's 1002, now 50674, now 64021, now 51056 etc. Both are mathematically equally valid ways to describe a waveform. This is used in many media like cd and streming, but also for recording and mixing in a studio. The big advantage of PCM is that you can use a computer to mix tracks, add effects, filters etc to the creators hearts intent. DSD cannot be changed unless recoded to PCM. It stays just the way it is. No digital volume on your DAC in native DSD. That's all very technical. But what you need to get straight is PCM and DSD are ways to encode a signal into a digital file. Multibit or R2R, ie resistor ladder dacs, can be used to decode PCM. Sigma Delta (in math: the sum of small parts), or single bit or whatever algorithms to combine either you want to use on a FPGA (programmable computing chip) can be use to decode DSD as well as PCM. So: PCM and DSD are file formats. Multibit vs Single bit, ladder vs bitstream, R2R vs Sigma Delta are ways to decode the file back to analog. I hope this helps explaining without getting too technical. 😊
I included DSD as a type of DAC because there are a few DACs around that specifically convert everything into DSD before decoding. E.g. the Cen.Grand DSDAC range.
My thinking was to cover off the different types that anyone might see to reduce confusion without getting too complex with the nuances and subtleties.
Hi, great video ! Can a headphone-amp put bypass-mode be considered as a power amp ? In that case you advise to use the DAC in its pre-amp mode for the best sound. I use my Ferrum OOR amp in bypass-mode and my Ferrum Wandla (DAC) in pre-amp mode. Is this the best configuration ?
Yes, that's a reasonable way to consider it. As for which is the best setup, that depends on whether the DAC or the amp has the better volume control setup. Listening to it each way is the best way to be certain.
Watch the video. Lachlan shows the Laiv Harmony where you can choose internal or external for i²s connection. That's just one example. If you use a DDC you can often also use a dedicated external clock. But that way outside the scope of this video.
Exactly. I don't know the deep technicalities of PLL systems, but I suspect it opens a more complex conversation about clock quality and the benefits of temperature controlled clocks, etc. which would be too much for beginners.
@@PassionforSound I am pretty certain you will not find an example of a DAC component that uses any external clocking from the TosLink or SPDIF coaxial. I have never see such a schematic.
@27b-6Buttle I'm not sure. All I know is how the SPDIF protocol is intended to work and that different DAC and transport combos perform differently across the inputs, but it's not consistently predictable as to which will be better.
Super concise, THANKS! Recently upgraded Fiio K11 R2R with iFi PowerPoint X power supply with noticeable improvement. Your video briefly touched on USB noise filters... first time hearing about, but sounds interesting. Also, been getting conflicting opinions on budget allocation between headphones, amps, and DACs. Does it make sense upgrading to 1000 dollar headphones if your amp DAC combo is sub 500?
I'm glad you liked the video. The filters on DACs only make a tiny difference so I wouldn't worry too much about those. As for the budget division, I like to think of it in tiers. There's no point pairing a higher tier headphone with low or mid tier source devices because you'll be losing a lot of the potential performance of the headphones. That said, if you're buying the higher tier headphones to later upgrade the DAC and amp, that's a great way to build gradually. In summary, match all of your gear based on their performance tier, not necessarily price, but don't waste money matching a higher tier device with lower tier devices. One final point, with headphones like the HE1000SE or Arya Organic that are now deeply discounted, I would consider these based on their performance and original pricing and not their current pricing. They're a great deal these days and will work wonderfully with anything, but they're also an example of why I think in performance tiers rather than price. I hope that all makes sense.
@PassionforSound Thank you, makes sense... might keep the Fiio K11 R2R as a DAC, and look for a next tier amp for current Edition XS to enjoy that for a while before upgrading headphones. 👍
Still now wait impatiently if you get Audirvana. It is player for audiophile. When we can have it ? Merry Xmas, new year to you , Greeting from Sweden 🇸🇪 😀
I'm pretty sure a device doesn't have to have a headphone jack or analog audio output to need a DAC. If it has a speaker of any kind (like every smartphone, Samsung or otherwise) it also needs to convert digital audio to analog.
Hi great and interesting content, what do a your thoughts on Wofsen Dac chip set on ealier Cambridge audio equipment like my sonata dr30- dv30 - cd30 . Regards mark
OK, thanks very much. I am actually working with a Sony XBR TV and a Schitt SYN through the optical TOSLINK. The output is great except the dialog. I have played ad nauseam with room acoutics and speaker (Magnepans) placement , but no dice. I really like the SYN and Schitt Audio and want to stay with them. Cheers!
@@johnszuhay6804 I have a pair of Magnepan 0.7 and it might have something to do with them as they are not exactly linear (vastly understated). Lots of bass if not placed well. Direct them straight at your ears. I still have to upgrade the crossover to straighten them out.
Yes, but only for tidal and local music (and I'm not sure here but probably also only for external dac not internal) This is Btw one from many reasons why tidal do not have any competition as steaming service. (Qobuz i do not count due to lack of proper connect service). All others apps like Apple music or others are on Android limited.
IMPORTANT MESSAGE @passion for sound Please turn off 'automatic dubbing' in youtube studio advanced settings. It creates stupid AI translated audio in foreign languages that is very annoying and often can't be turned off.
@@PassionforSoundyes, exactly. I like to listen to the original sound track. It generates a terrible AI voice with bad translation. On the Rose streamer I can't switch audio channel.
@Jeep_on_audio thank you for letting me know. Can I ask which language you are receiving? UA-cam has a few marked as experimental so I'm wondering if those are the problem.
I don't think it's a question of which approach (passive vs active) so much as how well the specific device is made. I haven't played with those to provide any advice. Sorry!
And check the description for DACs he likes.....
Thanks for that! 🙏♥️
This is the kind of video that makes new folks to the hobby like me feel welcomed. So much technical stuff to learn, so much jargon to decode...which is part of the fun, for sure, but this kind of video makes the fun more pleasant. As another commenter mentioned, wonderful presentation on inputs, the pros and cons. Thanks, Lachlan, for making our audiophile journeys more rewarding. Happy New Year!
Yay! I'm so happy to read that because that was my exact intention - zero jargon (as much as possible) and not over complicating things. Digital audio in particular can get very bewildering very fast!
Happy new year to you too!!
@@PassionforSound Ya nailed it.🎯
@danielwalsh8168 🙏♥️
I recently switched from an AKM4499 DAC to a Denafrips Ares 15th R2R. It sounds a bit better and complements my bright headphones a bit better. I'm an R2R fan now.
Really, I’m thinking about getting one. What amp do you have with it?
The original Ares 2 was my conversion point. Later upgraded to a Pontus 2 and now a Holo Cyan 2. I no longer even look at delta sigma dacs. They can be better but for waaay more money.
@@renatomorais8136how would compare pontus 2 and cyan 2? Was Cyan really an upgrade?
I have a Hiby RS2 R2R DAP And I am sold!
@@renatomorais8136I just recently got my Cyan 2, and I'm surprised that I very much prefer my Geshelli AK4499 with the Sparkos 2590 op amps. But again, it's all about synergy. My speakers (2 different pairs from Zu Audio) aren't bright and edgy, so the Cyan 2 came across as a bit veiled and muffled up high. I'm pretty sure if I had Focal or MBL, the R2R would've likely been preferable. The Geshelli is what works best with my HI-FI rig as it stands right now, but I'm happy for you getting your hands on the Cyan. It's majorly impressive, especially considering the price.
Awesome educational video, especially on the input options. It's the first explanation I've seen on how the inputs process the signal differently.
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks for letting me know.
That does, however, bring up an issue. Reviewers compare streamers using their internal DACs. As such, you don't hear performance comparisons of their different digital outputs. For example, I now realize that because of your video, the significance of Schiit's Unison USB. But to make use of this option, you need a streamer with a USB output. But what if you have a streamer without that option (like a Wiim)? Would an Eversolo sound better with the Schiit simply because you can make use of the Unison option?
@pcm9969 potentially! High quality streamers will use high quality circuits and clocks to ensure excellent sound via any output, but cheaper units like the WiiMs can sound better outputting via USB vs SPDIF.
@@PassionforSoundThat's a reason I'm thinking of upgrading my Mini to a Pro to give me more options.
Thanks for one of the best overviews that I have heard so far. I have tested a number of DACs in my system, and in my opinion the difference between different brands and technologies is far from subtle.
I agree that some DACs can be vastly different (especially if they use different approaches) while others can be super hard to differentiate (e.g. similar Delta Sigma DACs)
Happy New Year Lachlan! Thanks for all you do for the community!
Happy new year to you too!
Another awesome video! 👏 Thank you very much for analyzing and teaching everyone what and how all the options are!
My pleasure! I'm glad you liked it!!
Thanks for the explanation!
My pleasure! I hope it was helpful.
Excellent summary!
It's not correct, which might cause confusion, but as far as the end result goes, it'll do.
DSD is not a way to decode but to encode, it's a file type used for masters. As is the more common PCM for CDs. But that's all too technical for this video.
Yes. I wanted to keep it as simple as possible and there are some DACs (like the Cen.Grand DSDAC 1.0) that use DSD as their conversion process.
Happy New Year. A great summary video, particularly for those grappling with putting a system together. One issue maybe worth considering is output level of the DAC because this can vary considerably, and affect compatibility when considering input sensitivity downstream Ideally manufacturers would standardise on 2v single ended and 4v balanced but sadly not all do and output can vary from below 2v up to nearly 10v resulting in unusable or restricted volume control.
That's a good point, but probably a step beyond what a beginner needs to know and it could lead them into being put off by perceived complication.
@@PassionforSound 👍
Thank you for such a clear and concise explanation. You have really helped me understand the timing differences between input cables. I’m currently waiting on my Schiit Yggdrasil MIB version to ship. I am looking forward to exploring the differences in sound for all the input cable types. Cheers from Nashville, TN!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! You'll love the Yggy!!
Happy new year! Excellent video, Lachlan. Great job explaining this really important device.
Happy new year, Steve! I'm glad you liked it!!
I have many different zigma Delta DAC , ESS Topping, AKM Topping, and many other, i have also NAIM reference DAC with external DR 555 power supply. This DAC has right implementation R2R with 40 bit DSP from Analog device.
I always go for this DAC , organic, sounds stage, micro resolutions.
👋👋👋👋👋
@@paulpaulzadeh6172 which dac are you referring to? Thanks
They have now this ND 555
Network Audio Player, it has pcm1704k R2R . Mine DAC is NAIM reference DAC .
The new ND555 is new version of this . Don't forget you should have their external power supply to get 24bit resolution.
It is expensive but warmly recommend to you . They have white papper about it , explaining how it is build. Just google for " ND555 white papper " @@luislunacortez1929
Google for " ND555 white papper " don't forget you should have external power supply NAPS 555 DR
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@paulpaulzadeh6172 thanks 😊
Fantastic subject coverage. pretty much a go to vid for all things DAC. Although this has not much to do with this, I use to think you just couldn't get top notch performance doing both task in a DAC/AMP combo. Well, in 2024 that was my biggest eye opening purchase / knowledge; the Aune S9c Pro Dac-Amp. I used to have an expensive Schiit Dac and Headamp costing 4 times as much but this Aune is by far better silkier, as powerful and a do it all well machine. This was the year of the Aune for me this year. Thanks for the video!
There have been a few winning combo devices this year then because the SMSL RAW-MDA1 and Burson Conductor GT4 are also amazing DACs and amps.
Differences between r2r and delta sigma are not filters. Reconstruction / low pass filters are always needed for pcm signal and there is no any difference between ds and r2r here. Both dac topologies needs exactly the same filters, and both can also work without filters in Nos mode, but in such case signal is not properly reconstructed - mainly without proper high part of the spectrum and with ultrasonic artefacts introduced.
Filters mainly can be divided to slow and fast ones. Slow should have less filtering artefacts, but not fully accurate higs. Fast can have some artefacts, but they have better highs reproduced.
Real differences - r2r is native, direct ("analog" in some way) pcm "resolving", without additional math operations. Perfect in time domain.
Delta Sigma is not native - it's conversion to dsd on the fly, using a lot of processing like feedback loop and noise shaping techniques - it's conversion needed for simple (mostly created to be cheap) one bit chips, not perfect in time domain.
R2R is better for pcm as native solution, Delta Sigma is better for Dsd (native one bit files) - but dsd files are worth anything only when file was never converted to pcm during mastering phase. Which is very rare.
Delta sigma has In theory better parameters but due to processing - mainly noise shaping. So they are in some way, artificial. R2R has usually worse parameters (depended from quality of used resistors), but they are real, native, not result of any processing.
Time domain is much more important that all kinds of sinad's/thdn's, but can not be measured in clear way. They have influence within complex signal of real music, not on simple tests tones. Artificial tests tones even multitones, ale not enough to say near anything.
Bt can be perfect connection from quality point of view when lossless codec would be used.
Regarding connections, only optic is providing galvanic isolation (lack of galvanic isolation can influence clock and create jitter, usb can be very noisy), so in many cases it's better than usb, despite being synchronous. Unless there is significant problem with source clock. Then usb can be better, but to achieve better lower noise, slower uac mode 1 should be used rather than faster uac 2.
You're way too technical for beginners. And correct on almost everything except for the first statement on low pass filtering.
R2R can do without LP filtering. There will be aliasing tones when you use test tones but that never occurs with music where treble >10kHz hardly ever exceeds -40dB. I preferred my R2R dac without any filter.
Sigma Delta, due to the way it works, produces a lot more and aggressive HF noise (than MB) and therefore it must be filtered.
You are very correct about the importance of timing and the artificial nature of SD treble detail. That's why R2R sounds more natural.
Yep. This is all well above the level of information that a beginner audiophile needs and would just scare them away from the hobby. 🙂
@@PassionforSound with all my respect for your great work, unfortunatelly not fully correct info can be worse for everyone - can result with confusion. Small correction and explanation above is very easy in fact :)
You can all say in very simple way.
Delta Sigma dacs are conversion (to cheap 1bit circuit), with invasive processing. Output has better parameters but mostly on paper. In practice can be said that this method is kind of "lossy".
R2R are native - simply natural, direct, without processing, Lossless. In some way "analog".
Filters are exactly the same, and must be used in both to achieve correct output (waveform). As is required by form of record and storage used by all digital files currently in use - pcm.
Can not be simpler :)
@@Jeep_on_audio Beginner can always ask and receive explanation in more easy words if needed.
R2R can work in Nos mode the same as DS. But all high tones above about 3khz will be exactly the same broken (not reconstructed) in both. The same tones used in normal music. Technically all spectrum from low to highs will be be in the same - aliased, highly quantified, also in not reconstructed form. But from 3khz simply lot worse than below. I do not see nos mode sense in listening. This is not ended Niquist reconstruction process. It was intended for equipment created to work on pair with external filter. Not for direct use. Without filter there is simply no any sinus. Rather "collection of squares". For this reason Nos highs are rolled off, and Nos mode is called super slow mode. But this is not natural effect. This is very strong, huge distorsion, nothing in pair with source.
But if in practice sounds better for someone - this is what is really important, nothing more :)
DS from theory should present a lot more of aggressive HF - but I do not see such significant difference in my spectrum analisys. Which is strange, I would expect lot more difference.. In practice in case of real music, not test tones, both topologies are presenting a lot of HF response (but not significant amplitude), r2r also. (in case of denafrips partialy due to still active oversampling).
In practice, DS in Nos mode do not present additional artefacts in listening and do not damage speakers - what many peoples are afraid of. Simply, there is no practical difference. Youre right that in theory filter is required for ds due to noise shaping, based on theory i would say the the same and expect a lot more, but in practice output is similar. I'm not using Nos mode for myself in practice, but I used it in both r2r and ds dacs long time "for science" - without difference.
What is in practice requiring filtering is pcm reconstruction proces itself, based on Niquist. Without filter, output signal, output waveform, has nothing to do with recorded signal. It's very highly distorted. It's simply not even wave. Which can be fully observed on oscilloscope image.
The best DAC I ever heard in my whole life -- and I've heard a lahhhhhhhhhhhht of DACs -- was the DCS-built "ring DAC" inside the Arcam FMJ CD23T. Shame it didn't come with a digital input or I'd still have that puppy, my goodness was that thing glorious.
I once heard a DCS Bartok and it was quite something. Can't tell you how something it was because it was a demo system where that 20k Dac was probably the cheapest component. Subjectively I think my favourite was a Chord Dave that was in a more down to Earth system. That was still a 10k Dac... What I never heard but I'm pretty sure would be my ultimate/unsubscribe-from-news-about-dacs would be the Holo May. Missed an used one for 3k a couple of years ago and still banging my head into the wall about it.
I'm yet to try a dcs DAC, but I'm keen to and would love to compare it with my DAVE.
Excellent overview! Would be nice to hear about the role of op-amps in DACs and the effect of swappable op-amps! Can be a topic for a separate episode.
Yes. I should do a deeper dive into why DACs sound different. 🙂
OUTSTANDING video and information. Thanks very much!
My pleasure! I'm glad it was helpful
I have 3 DACs with the following chips: Texas Instruments PCM5242 DAC, ESS 9018K2M, and twin ESS SABRE 9018Q2Cs. They all sound a little different and perfectly fine, the TI is the less pleasing of the three though.
Great advice
I'm glad you thought so! 🙂🙂
Thanks for the education. I needed it…
My pleasure!
I still want a Geshelli J2. I've just heard too many good things about it.
It's such a great DAC and the J3 Pro is even better if you want to upgrade it further.
@@PassionforSoundjust got a Geshelli J3 with the newer AKM chip, based on your thorough review. It’s a superb DAC in all respects. It makes just a lovely airy sound and handles the high frequencies like a champ.
@cpg8000 I'm so glad you're enjoying it!
It's not a common thing to hear someone go through the interconnect properties like you did here. Well done, given how much confusion this causes amongst new folks. It would worry me though, if a streamer had better clocks than my DAC.
Some people might buy a premium streamer like a Lumin or Auralic and pair it with a budget DAC thinking it's all they need so it's possible, but hopefully not common. 🙂
Like always great information. You are my go to for headphone reviews since I have noticed we have similar sound perspective Would love it if you review the Focal Hadenys. I'm thinking of upgrading my Focal Elex.
Keep up the great work. Thank you
I'm so glad you're enjoying my videos. I don't yet have any confirmed plans for the new Focal models, but will try to arrange something during 2025...
Great video.. I hope you could review the Fiio SR11 streamer soon..
I don't currently have that one planned, but maybe one day.
I have 2in1 Burson conductor 3XR and more than satisfied. Not sure if buying smth like holo cyan 2 which cost as much as the whole burson will make a significant difference. Maybe some day ill check on this route)
The 3XR is a nice unit, but a higher quality, dedicated DAC can provide further sonic improvements. The challenge is that you'll then want an even better amp to get the most out of the better DAC
I have a dac in my attessa , a dac in my wiim, a dac in my atoll in300 and a chord quetest the quetest wiins hands down,oh and a dongle dac.
😂 it's a DACalanche!
Thx, all great info, but the problem is that you can't find all of the DAC'a at resellers to actually listen to them or they don't have trial periods when purchased. I am looking to get a new DAC and I'm leaning towards buying a Denafrips Pontus 15 (with the Venus 12 internals) or the Gishelli Labs Dayzee (with upgraded chip set), both in the $1,800 range. My system with a Byston 4B ST power amp and B&W Natalus 803 speakers is nutral to warm, and I beleave both of the fore mentioned options would work well in it even after adding a new tube preamp in a few months. I should mention that I have a large album collection, in the past my system has been heavily influanced by that, though now I listen to just as much via streaming and CD. Not being able to hear either of the DAC's, I was looking for some suggestions, as hard as that is without more info;) The one thing I liked about the Pontus 15 is the I2S connector, for my CDT. Where as the socketed chips helps to future proof the Dayzee. But as you state, all other things being equal, it comes down to which one sounds better to you.
It is very tricky with so few opportunities for auditioning the options side-by-side. Unfortunately, I can't help with your choices because I've not heard the current Denafrips options.
The Pontus 15 is a very solid choice. A very good R2R for a very decent price.
I don't want to say anything bad about Geshelli labs other than that it's just another sigma delta dac. The upgradable opamps are great but won't make it more future proof. Just an upgrade option.
If you look at the power supply etc, the execution of every detail on the Pontus, all of which contributes to better sound, it's pretty much a no brainer.
FYI I just upgraded my Ares II to the new Laiv Harmony io the Venus because of size, looks, features and sound.
@@Jeep_on_audio Thx for sharing your journey, I am leaning in the Pontus direction....
I love my Qutest, but the differences between filters is soooooo subtle that I’ve occasionally wondered if it was a practical joke by Rob Watts to put a button on a phenomenal dac that does nothing but change colors. I prefer the appearance orange light. Lol.
Haha. I know what you mean. Realistically, two of the four options should be indistinguishable because they just add super high frequency filtering in case you're using an M-Scaler. That said, even on the various ESS/AKM type DACs, the filter changes are fairly irrelevant because they're so subtle.
Thank you for this! Great info. I'm trying to figure out the best way to play Local music files. I'm debating creating a network with NAS for multiple sound systems, but am also wondering if I should just use an external drive connected to the DAC and then control the input via ethernet or wifi (I realize I'll need software to do this. Don't want the expensive Roon option, so I'm looking at JRiver & Audirvana plus others). This has been confusing to figure out.
I do not have ethernet in the walls currently and a network will require running new cables, getting up in the attic, etc (this is the most difficult for me to install). I probably won't be listening to multiple rooms at the same time, so while inconvenient, I could move the external drive from room to room as needed.
Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks again.
Network based audio is always a little bit tricky, but JRiver is excellent (I haven't tried Audirvana yet). I wouldn't worry too much about needing wired ethernet everywhere and would probably go for the NAS setup connected near a router and then get various WiFi capable endpoints for playback on the rooms where you want sound.
Actually, I just realised that Plex could be a good solution for this because it's available on most NAS devices and is very easy to use. I just don't know which setup will be best for accessing and streaming to your endpoints because that will depend on the range of devices you're using there.
Great video and explanations of everything. There's so many options, so for people who are new to audio it can be daunting.
I originally went with Schiit products, and have actually stuck with them, but it was because the Schiit Magni was so insanely simple, you buy the Amplifier and then buy the RCA to 3.5mm cable and just connect it to your PC and plugs your headphones in.
Later on I wanted to get a DAC. I figured the Schiit Modi made sense, and that was just a matter of replacing the RCA to 3.5mm with 2x RCA to RCA cables plugged from the Amp to the DAC with the USB from the DAC to the PC. Simple as that.
Was a fun experiment with the audio and components, and that's what got me in to audio. That was around 6 years ago, time really flies.
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
GM and Happy new year ☕️🍩🎆
The DAC literally is the heart and brain of a digitally based system.
Very true! Happy new year!
In your search for tes tracks check out Santa Fe by Luke Sital-Singh & Lisa Hannigan. Well recorded, lovely vocals! I found it on Tidal if you love it as much as I do the album release is in February signed prerelease is available for £22 (12 of that is international shipping). Support the arts!
Thanks for the suggestion!
Maybe something misunderstood in here because some dacs can reclocking the spdif signal coming from the cd transport .
Maybe our reviewer can figure it out which DACS can relock the spdif because I m interested in buying a dac and use my cd player as a transport .
Thanks
Yes, some DACs do reclock the incoming signal, but I wanted to keep this video easy for beginner audiophiles.
@PassionforSound maybe could be a topic for future videos if people are interested in these differences thanks for your informative video
@luislunacortez1929 absolutely, I'll be doing some deeper dive topics in the future I've the basics are in place.
Maybe i missed it....but is i2s and hdmi arc the same?
They have exactly the same type of connection, but their purpose is vastly different. HDMI is used for conveying video and audio data, as you already know, while the I2S is used to convey both the timing data as well as the signal data for a given song along two separate paths within the connector. Normally, both the timing and signal paths are conveyed via the same wires...meaning these signals then have to be unbundled, which can introduce noise and jitter. But, I2S separates those signals... thus ensuring the signals are as pure as they can be. Hope that helps.
@@Artemis_Prix So basically the answer is no. There is no similarity/compatibility except connectivity ie same plug and socket.
@@jgsburnett9532 Correct.
No.
i²s or iis, where the 'i's stands for integrated circuit is the designation of the connection inside a CD player between input and dac ic's.
HDMI arc is 'audio return channel' for connecting a soundbar to the tv while using tv volume control over a standard HDMI cable.
For using i²s between devices you can use any cable as there is no standard. HDMI or RJ45 network cable are most common, but the PS audio way to use a HDMI cable is getting ever closer to being a standard.
Hi, I have an SMSL SU-9 DAC and a Douk Audio U2 Pro. I’m considering the best way to connect them to my computer. Would it be a good idea to use the U2 Pro as an intermediary, connecting it to the computer via USB and then to the SU-9 through the coaxial output?
Also, what’s your opinion on the performance of the Douk Audio U2 Pro as a USB-to-digital interface? Is it a good option for optimizing audio quality?
Great video.
Greetings from Peru!"
I haven't heard the U2 Pro, but I suspect USB direct from the PC might be better because that will use the SU-9 DAC clocks and the U2 Pro doesn't seem to have especially good clocks.
If you are able to try both, that's what I'd recommend and see which you prefer the sound of.
Lots of good advice here! Only there's a slight technical mix-up, an error in the beginning about DSD.
DSD is not a way of decoding, it's technically a file format invented and trademarked by Sony and Philips for storing masters. So it's a system for digitally ENcoding an audio signal. A single bit, high frequency method.
Mathematically I describe it as the derivative of a function (like saying very fast where it's going; up up up, down, up, down, up, down down down). Only as any math graduate knows, you need a starting value for this. Every so often when entropy strikes (ie errors occur) you need a new reference point.
As opposed to PCM, a different way of describing your waveform. Where you 'slowly' (still 44.1kHz) looking at the signal and measuring how high it is in 2^16 steps. Like now its 51, now it's 1002, now 50674, now 64021, now 51056 etc. Both are mathematically equally valid ways to describe a waveform.
This is used in many media like cd and streming, but also for recording and mixing in a studio.
The big advantage of PCM is that you can use a computer to mix tracks, add effects, filters etc to the creators hearts intent.
DSD cannot be changed unless recoded to PCM. It stays just the way it is. No digital volume on your DAC in native DSD.
That's all very technical. But what you need to get straight is PCM and DSD are ways to encode a signal into a digital file.
Multibit or R2R, ie resistor ladder dacs, can be used to decode PCM.
Sigma Delta (in math: the sum of small parts), or single bit or whatever algorithms to combine either you want to use on a FPGA (programmable computing chip) can be use to decode DSD as well as PCM.
So: PCM and DSD are file formats.
Multibit vs Single bit, ladder vs bitstream, R2R vs Sigma Delta are ways to decode the file back to analog.
I hope this helps explaining without getting too technical. 😊
I included DSD as a type of DAC because there are a few DACs around that specifically convert everything into DSD before decoding. E.g. the Cen.Grand DSDAC range.
@@PassionforSound
True. I didn't think of that. But they are not really for beginners. And they're still sigma delta.
My thinking was to cover off the different types that anyone might see to reduce confusion without getting too complex with the nuances and subtleties.
Hi, great video ! Can a headphone-amp put bypass-mode be considered as a power amp ? In that case you advise to use the DAC in its pre-amp mode for the best sound. I use my Ferrum OOR amp in bypass-mode and my Ferrum Wandla (DAC) in pre-amp mode. Is this the best configuration ?
Yes, that's a reasonable way to consider it. As for which is the best setup, that depends on whether the DAC or the amp has the better volume control setup. Listening to it each way is the best way to be certain.
My VHS player has RCA outs, but no DAC😜
😂😂
He needs to answer this discrepancy
An analog bridge, maybe?
Because VHS uses the analog track on the tape. Smartass 😏
Surely, it must be a super high tech digital VHS because ONLY digital devices with DACs have RCAs (because I said so)!
Do you know of any DAC product that doesn't use its own PLL circuit to create the audio ?
Watch the video. Lachlan shows the Laiv Harmony where you can choose internal or external for i²s connection. That's just one example.
If you use a DDC you can often also use a dedicated external clock. But that way outside the scope of this video.
Exactly. I don't know the deep technicalities of PLL systems, but I suspect it opens a more complex conversation about clock quality and the benefits of temperature controlled clocks, etc. which would be too much for beginners.
@@PassionforSound I am pretty certain you will not find an example of a DAC component that uses any external clocking from the TosLink or SPDIF coaxial.
I have never see such a schematic.
@27b-6Buttle I'm not sure. All I know is how the SPDIF protocol is intended to work and that different DAC and transport combos perform differently across the inputs, but it's not consistently predictable as to which will be better.
Super concise, THANKS! Recently upgraded Fiio K11 R2R with iFi PowerPoint X power supply with noticeable improvement. Your video briefly touched on USB noise filters... first time hearing about, but sounds interesting. Also, been getting conflicting opinions on budget allocation between headphones, amps, and DACs. Does it make sense upgrading to 1000 dollar headphones if your amp DAC combo is sub 500?
I'm glad you liked the video.
The filters on DACs only make a tiny difference so I wouldn't worry too much about those.
As for the budget division, I like to think of it in tiers. There's no point pairing a higher tier headphone with low or mid tier source devices because you'll be losing a lot of the potential performance of the headphones. That said, if you're buying the higher tier headphones to later upgrade the DAC and amp, that's a great way to build gradually.
In summary, match all of your gear based on their performance tier, not necessarily price, but don't waste money matching a higher tier device with lower tier devices.
One final point, with headphones like the HE1000SE or Arya Organic that are now deeply discounted, I would consider these based on their performance and original pricing and not their current pricing. They're a great deal these days and will work wonderfully with anything, but they're also an example of why I think in performance tiers rather than price. I hope that all makes sense.
@PassionforSound Thank you, makes sense... might keep the Fiio K11 R2R as a DAC, and look for a next tier amp for current Edition XS to enjoy that for a while before upgrading headphones. 👍
Still now wait impatiently if you get Audirvana.
It is player for audiophile. When we can have it ?
Merry Xmas, new year to you , Greeting from Sweden 🇸🇪 😀
It's in the list, but I have a lot of gear to cover at the moment so it's still a little way down the queue.
I'm pretty sure a device doesn't have to have a headphone jack or analog audio output to need a DAC. If it has a speaker of any kind (like every smartphone, Samsung or otherwise) it also needs to convert digital audio to analog.
If you watch it again he never said it does.
Correct. I said that you can't access the DAC in devices without a headphone jack of similar analog output, not that it doesn't have one.
Hi great and interesting content, what do a your thoughts on Wofsen
Dac chip set on ealier Cambridge audio equipment like my sonata dr30- dv30 - cd30 . Regards mark
It's been many years since I heard a Wolfson DAC, but they used to be lovely.
Can a moondrop dawn pro drive hd6xx high gain 3.5mm?
Yes, even with EQ.
you can convert a USB out to optical via an adapter
That's true. I didn't want to confuse beginners with all the options like DDCs and format converters, etc. 🙂
Can a better DAC improve clarity in TV video dialog?
Absolutely. Depending on what it has to work with. Since often there is too much compression in the audio channel provided by tv networks.
Yes, as Jeep said, a better DAC can improve the clarity of whatever is fed to it, but only as far as the source material will allow. 🙂
OK, thanks very much. I am actually working with a Sony XBR TV and a Schitt SYN through the optical TOSLINK. The output is great except the dialog. I have played ad nauseam with room acoutics and speaker (Magnepans) placement , but no dice. I really like the SYN and Schitt Audio and want to stay with them. Cheers!
@@johnszuhay6804
I have a pair of Magnepan 0.7 and it might have something to do with them as they are not exactly linear (vastly understated). Lots of bass if not placed well.
Direct them straight at your ears.
I still have to upgrade the crossover to straighten them out.
All smartphones have DACs, otherwise you wouldn't be able to hear the sound that comes out of their in-built speakers.
Yep. That's why I said you can't access their DAC. I didn't say they don't have them...
The sad thing is that in case of Android system quality of the internal dac is artificially limited due to resampling...
@trekkis that's true, but apps like USB Audio Player Pro will allow you to bypass that. Neutron might too, but I'm not sure.
Yes, but only for tidal and local music (and I'm not sure here but probably also only for external dac not internal) This is Btw one from many reasons why tidal do not have any competition as steaming service. (Qobuz i do not count due to lack of proper connect service). All others apps like Apple music or others are on Android limited.
Yep, fair enough if you want to focus on Amazon or Apple.
IMPORTANT MESSAGE @passion for sound
Please turn off 'automatic dubbing' in youtube studio advanced settings.
It creates stupid AI translated audio in foreign languages that is very annoying and often can't be turned off.
What do you mean it can't be turned off? Does it default to a different language depending on where you are and you can't select the original version?
@@PassionforSoundyes, exactly. I like to listen to the original sound track.
It generates a terrible AI voice with bad translation.
On the Rose streamer I can't switch audio channel.
@Jeep_on_audio thank you for letting me know. Can I ask which language you are receiving? UA-cam has a few marked as experimental so I'm wondering if those are the problem.
They all sound the same 😂
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What happened to this channel is beyond imagination.
Spectacular downfall.
I know! I hate having more viewers, more subscribers and lots of happy commenters...
@PassionforSound im talking about merit. There is less and less. Just click baiting
@IHearEverythingDude I'm talking about the fact that the vast majority of viewers disagree with you, but you're entitled to your opinion.
What's better, high-end passive crossover or high-end active crossover? I.e. Sublime Acoustics, Accuphase Laboratory vs Upgrading Existing Passive, Fully Custom Passive...
I don't think it's a question of which approach (passive vs active) so much as how well the specific device is made. I haven't played with those to provide any advice. Sorry!
If you put WTF in the title, just type "WHAT THE FUCK".