GPU Companies have lost their minds!
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2022
- We all love graphics cards, but with the increased cost of buying one... how can you possibly decide which one is right for you?
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The dilemma is transferred to the manufacturers when you don’t buy a card for such outrageous prices.
true. but the gaming community is stupid and has too many traitors
@@elvewizzy Join the EVGA Infantry today. Service guarantees citizenship!
Time for the GPU corporations to start respecting their customers instead of treating us like mindless fools that will throw our money at the next new thing!
I agree ..but too many people have the "well you guys fight the good fight, i'm gonna buy because one person doing it won't matter"...or just outright don't care , and this applies to a lot of industries.
Yea, I decided to buy a bambu labs x1 3d printer instead of a gpu.
Happy to postpone any GFX card update until the bottom drops out of the market in the recession, and we see true fair value market prices return. Glad to hear the 4080 isn’t selling well, exactly the message Nvidia need.
I wish these tech reviewer will clarify that the MSRP is nonexistent since 2021. 🤔
Careful, there's an issue with computer chip supply. So they might not fully drop like before.
e.g. Primary source of "neon" was from Russia, Neon is used in chip manufacture for high end chips.
I bet the only thing they learned is that they should've sold the weakest GPU first
@@dr1flush These types of technology of engineering irregularity being either software or hardware have always popped up more often in a recession cycle. But never dis bad and why is that?
Becuz the only difference is this time around this administration introduced the CHIPS & Science Act of 2022 (CHIP ACT). This bill, which was passed to help prevent these kinds of abnormalities from accumulating.
So this is not just your tax investment in these businesses. But for loyal customers also get struck a second time around when purchasing at a higher payment ownership.
Buyers need to be more conscious of our government pushing billions of taxpayers stimulus to these technology products. Believe me if they knew they would be even more pissed off about why they're paying much higher prices.
@@AwesomeBlackDude yeah no. As the name of the act implies it was passed in 2022. It takes years to actually build manufacturing capacity so those investments won't pay off for several years. They have zero effect on pricing in the here and now.
I bought a 6800xt in October happy with my purchase despite what people kept saying about prices coming down with the new generation it just doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. The best advice when it comes to gpu shopping is get the best thing you can afford and then immediately stop looking at GPUs. You're probably going to be happy with your purchase as long as you don't convince yourself you could have gotten something better if you waited
I think you're right
BAM!!
I went with it's baby bro the 3700xt as I actually had to build a PC for it to go into and I'm seriously impressed I use 1080 and higher fps over 4k and for that it's bossing it.
Glad I got my 3070 for 475 from EVGA. To Jay's point warranty is a slight concern but I'm not OCing. Only lost on USD to CAD, however was still less than anything available in Canada.
It's like 20 years ago all over again where our dollar is worth
nothing, but Canadian distributors gouge so hard it's still cheaper to buy in the US
I have an EVGA card with 10 years of Warranty ( 9 left ) and I wonder if something goes south with the card and many years down the road EVGA still exists but they don't have an inventory anymore aren't they supposed to refund us?
Dead 'GPU' brand LMAO
6750 min max 950 4 me. still on 600vv xD.
-850- 1200 sträde bq ! vQv
Yeah I’m worried about warranty issues with evga. Why i was bummed they dropped gpus but i get why.
I'm at the point where I'm just gonna walk away from the table.
My EVGA 1060 6GB still works fine and plays all the games I allready own.
I have just upgraded from a 1060 6GB to a MSI 6750XT for £449 on Scan... I am extremely happy with that price
@@themott6184 happy for 450 when people used to fume how pricey the rtx 2000 were lowest at 300 and yes that was expensive. 450 is not a happy price definitely not for me its insane
Or you know just buy one of the cheaper cards🤷 all of them will smash the 1060 into the ground. A 6700XT/ 3060TI/3070 or even an A770 is pretty much near the top end for non RT gaming at 1080p/1440p. A last gen 80 or 90 class card are still hugely powerful and are good options if you still want more performance.
As a fellow Norwegian I can inform you that I almost got a 3070 Ti for 6 100KR here the other day. Look up Komplett's "demo skjermkort", where they sell certain GPU's for a much lower price than MSRP.
I'd say it's time to retire the 1060 at this point. Want a cheap new card that destroys it check the rx 6600. It's like $220 usd atm. If you can catch deals the 6650xt has been $250 new. That would demolish a 1060
Hey Jay,
I bought a used 3080 and it’s worked out really well for me. But I had to do some digging to find good ways to test the card before my buyer protection was over (bought through eBay). Think it would be really awesome if you did a dedicated video for how to test a used card inside and out!
Simple run prime95 and fur mark together for for 2 hrs at ALL stock settings. if it does not crash or flicker in any way run msi kombustor choose msi-01 and tick artifact scanner run for 1 hr, if no artifacts are detected keep it. if there is any weirdness run OCCT and choose vram test and run to see if it detects Vram issues.
Probably a good idea run memtest 86+ overnight before this battery of tests to ensure your PC ram is good.
@@michaelandrews4783 Cool. I'm glad so many people saw your one (actually good and informative) comment. The point is that Jay could reach more people with a dedicated video and impact the market more.
Agree
@michaelandrews4783 most of the pr9grams you have stated are considered too harsh for hardware testing. Those programs dont just find problems they force them.
Any games you own that have built I benchmarks are a good start I've heard from tech yes city if you buy used hardware try and overclock by 100 mghrz on core and ram if it holds and works well in all the tests you're most likely sitting pretty
Back in the day (you know, walked 9 miles to school, uphill both ways in a blizzard) I paid $499.99 for my MSI Duke GTX1080. I loved that card, until it died, . GPU prices were insane, then a friend sold me his GTX 1080 FE for $300.00 and I was happy again. Then a short time back he sold me his EVGA 2080ti for, $200.00. I'm not shopping for a GPU right now. Oh, I GAVE the GTX 1080 FE away, I never sell my old gear, I prefer not to deal with that. I still blame the people who paid stupid prices for GPUs for the stupid prices we see on GPUs now. They would be stupid not to raise prices after seeing so many willing to pay three times the normal price. A fair price is what the market will bear, boy did people not show it would bear a lot. People NEED to get over this "I have to have it" mentality and wait for more understandable pricing.
if you can afford it (and most young gamers can because they either have parents who spoil them or working citizens with maybe roommates), then there’s sales…. Clearly this massive price jump from the 3080 to the 4080 did not sit well with most people and so Nvidia will likely drop the price for the 50 series cards… similarly to how when the 30 series where introduced… MUCH CHEAPER AND BETTER THAN THE 20 SERIES!!!
Since Nvidia dropped the prices from the 20 to the 30, they essentially spoiled new and old gpu consumers alike with better pricing…. I believe Sony had this issue with their PS3 pricing debut and Microsoft with their XBOX One pricing Vs the ps4 … I don’t think any company ever really fixed (or could for that matter) this aside from having more sales and trade ins but that’s pretty much it…. Sony and Microsoft just priced their later Gen consoles better than last time
And long story short, expect nothing from Nvidia until the 50 series drop 🤣🥲
If I had to choose some mid level graphics card(around 400-600$) it seems to me like RX 6700 XT/RX 6800 XT or RTX 3060 Ti is your best bet depending on how important ray tracing is to you.
Meanwhile in Sweden: 4080 cost 1700$ minimum
I’ve noticed that you can’t find any new MSRP/ cheaper 3080s, 3080ti or 3090s. I bought my 3080 Strix 12gb last July for $799. I think you were right about buying higher end GPU’s at that time. Cause now the 4080 isn’t the best value and the 4090 just cost too much.(for most people).
I should not have waited ;-;
I bought a 3080ti FE 2 weeks ago from bestbuy for 1200$ CAD (they're 1600$ MSRP), seems like the best deal around atm
I got my 3080 ASUS Tuf at 750 ish in September from Microcenter Im glad I got it. I gave my friend my 3060TI I got on launch.
@@MondayMoustache That sounds like a horrible deal. The 7900 XT is $20 USD more and goes head to head with the 3090ti.
I was lucky and picked up an MSI 3080 for around $750 on Amazon, literally bumped up to like $950 a day later..
My 1080ti is serving me very well and has been for 4 years.
Same here. Running any game I want max setting. I built my rig with a 6850k and 1080ti. Both parts given high end awards as true value to performance.
I bought a used 3090 for 650 on Ebay. Former mining card but for 650 it was worth the lottery ticket, so far it's been great.
I bought a 3090 for $2200 in October or November of 2020, I'm am idiot. It was NIB though.
@@psycold damn, I know a friend that did that last year... he has been regretting that purchase ever since.
@@psycold wow how desperate was you ?
Paid $600 USD for my 3090 up here in Canada, but local pickup instead. So got to inspect before purchase. Card looked mint not even dusty. Plugged it in and found out it was still on the initial vbios without Rebar support
@@psycold That was a great buy really... IF you just mined that for about a year you could have easily made that back and then some. I got one for 2800,- in may 2021 and mined about 2000,- in a years time. Crazy as the pricing was, at that time, you could pretty much buy any GPU at any price and get your money back within a year.
Hi Jay, I think you may be missing the used market dynamic that got disrupted with the 30 series. People got used to selling their old cards after a year, year and a half for 60% of its value (65% or more for high end cards) to put toward a new card. With the shortage, which caused the prices to skyrocket especially on used cards, people who would normally only be able to afford a decent used card, weren't able to help support those who wanted to subsidise their upgrade. This buried those who bought a new 30 series card, just like buying a new car when you haven't paid your old one down far enough. If you paid $1500 or $2000 for a 30 series card... are you going to be able to take the 40% hit (50 or 60% appears to be market, based on your video) to sell it and pay the same again.
Personally, I used to upgrade my GPU every 2 generations and my CPU every 4. I paid $700 for my MSI 1080 TI Seahawk AIO. I can't consciously spend the same or more on a used 30 series card without warranty in today's economic climate, even if I get $300 for my card (which I can't). I've put a much lesser amount of my money into RAM and fan upgrades and seen a pleasant change in my PC environment as a result. I'm buying older games and still enjoying my 10th gen CPU.
I think you might be surprised at how many people are actually doing this type of thing, instead of upgrading. I believe this has caused the stalling seen in the retail market more than people not wanting new cards. Yes, there are always people who will be able to shell out the money for expensive cards. I used to be one of them, but everyone has their limit of what they will pay.
i bought a 1080 3.5 years ago and just sold it for 60% what i paid. Could have sold it 3 months ago for 85% what i paid, or 12 mo ago for 66% MORE than what i paid. Shits nuts. ended up getting a triple fan 2080ti for $330 shipped and sold the basic ass blower style 1080 for $165 after fees/shipping
You a spot on, the economic wheel has stalled, its going to take a few more years to get it going if it is at all.
The problem while I agree with is that not many of us can stay with older hardware... I have been gifted a 3440x1440p monitor and my rtx 2060 just doesn't keep up in most games even older titles like BF4 I feel my self forced to upgrade to make use of the my new screen... And that's not all the further we go the higher the resolutions will be released and smaller ones will be harder to find and buy
@@RoDaX55 you can have your resolution at 720p and run upscaling to 4k
@@RoDaX55 The only proper advice here is to sell the monitor and get a 1440p one. 4K gaming is absolutely a no-go with any card other than the ones costing 1400 or more today. Unless you are willing to follow that route then either play games on 1080p on the 4k monitor or go for a 1440p build which is todays sweet spot.
I recently upgraded my rig to a RX6700XT from a GTX1050 and I don't regret it. I had thought about a RTX3070ti but I am glad I went to AMD because I got the same performance for HUNDREDS of dollars less.
I wanted so hard to buy Nvidia, but they just didn't want the money. 3070 for 550 and 6800 for 500...yeah nah, an insane disparity in price
Yep. Was team green, now have gone AMD with a 6800.
The 6800 is slightly faster than the 3070ti I was considering, and much cheaper.
Am getting 80-100 FPS at ultrawide 1440p, which is perfect for my monitor.
I finally built a computer and got the rx6700xt. I have a 1440p monitor so it didn't make sense for me to get anything higher. Way I see it, I should be good for a while. It's worked out well so far, so no complaints.
In Europe there are RX6700 for under 370€. Just need one 8 pin for power and with slightly undervolting it just draws 120watt ingame.
Good move
I just bought my first AMD GPU after having been on Nvidia since forever. Its a 6800XT that I got for 650 USD (it had been used for two months and the owner had the original receipt). And its been a joy. Loving it! Its almost 3080-performance in the titles I play, but for way less.
Still keeping my gtx 1080 that works ok with VR as well. With those prices, I will wait for a very long time! Crypto mining mania spoiled Nvidia and AMD!
Same. Was really hoping to upgrade this gen, but not under these circumstances.
@@Vhite Totally agree. I rather upgraded to i5 12th gen with more ram and a new motherboard, and gtx 1080 is even better than before. Would never pay more than 500-600 $ for a high-mid-end gen graphics card. This is insane!
I'm just keeping my 3080 until I can't play 4K games at 144 fps anymore at mid to high settings.
Or just buy used. That way you aren’t supporting Nvidia and their new products. I’ve been holding out with a 1070 ti since release, but I’m kinda over waiting i don’t see prices dropping or changing anytime soon. I’m going to buy a used card somewhere, probably ebay
@@phantom498 You do run the risk though of getting a cryptobro mining card, which could have been taken good care of, or been run into the ground at mach speed in certain areas with no concern for long-term viability.
I've only had Nvidia GPU's up to this point and the recent prices have made me try AMD for the first time and honestly I have no regrets. I managed to get a new RX 6800 XT for £566 ($680) which is slightly less than what I paid for my old GTX 1080 in 2015 so seems like a good deal to me and hopefully it lasts just as long as my 1080 did before I need to upgrade.
My 1070 died recently and I found a brand new 6900xt $500 off retail, so I jumped ship.
Got a nice upgrade and saved a nice chunk of change.
I figured it should last me another 5 years easily, my only complaint is without drivers the monitor using the display port kept resetting until the drivers were installed and PC restarted. Thankfully I had a 2nd monitor running on HDMI.
I moved to Radeon after my first Nvidia card upgrade. Two upgrades later and I moved back to Nvidia. Still haven't owned another though since AMD bought ATI.
And here I am trying to buy a rx580 at like 60 bucks.
We will never get another 1080, that card was too good and lasted too long
@@tobalaz damn bro 6900xt new for $500!? was it open box or what thats a steal
I just bought an XFX RX 6950 XT for £740, for 1440p 144Hz after waiting 2 years to buy a new card due to prices.
Amazing value card considering the state of things at the moment, and I have no idea why anyone would buy an Nvidia card until the prices plummet.
Got my power color red devil RX 6950 XT for about $768 a few days ago, probably the best value high end card right now, though I use it for 4k 60Hz or 144Hz depending on the game.
I bought my Nvidia card because it's better than the AMD ones tbh
AMD cards suck at RT and with NVidia cards of Ampere gen you can play with RT on at 1440p quite comfortably. I can understand when someone doesn't need RT and I myself play a lot of games not supporting RT but I prefer to have this option to play with RT on.
@@AntonMochalin if you are playing at 1440p the 6950 XT can max out most RT games (the only one that gave me problems is cyberpunk) and there are even some games that max out with RT at 4k like resident evil 8.
If I wanted to play with RT I would play at 1440, but I rather play at 4k with it off.
@@GDsergio good luck trying to play Portal RTX or Witcher 3 RTX update on AMD cards.
Thanks! Was looking to build a new rig after 9 years. First thing that shocked me was GPU prices and I knew this couldn't be right.
Please can you consider doing more videos like these...extended to other PC components. You rock!
Bought a 3060ti about 6 months ago for 400 euros and when i bought it i was thinking of changing it with a 3080 12 GB by Christmas...as things stand it's still a perfect deal when i look at the prices. It's nuts in Europe right now, you're lucky in the states with those low prices.
In my country a used 3080 is around 900-1000 euros...that's insane!
If I remember correctly I couldn't find a new 3060 (12GB) below 450€. I was looking occasionally for months now.
400€ for a 3060ti seems decent by comparison
Yeah. Europe's fucked for GPU prices. Haven't seen a new 3080 for less that 990$. Keeping my 1080 Ti lol fuck this I ain't spending that much.
I've been refreshing the page on nvidia for its msrp 3060 ti FE ..... I'm so fucked right now.
Hold the line. Prices will eventually calm down. They did stateside, they will in Europe. If you cave now, you're costing future you more for parts.
@@js1031 A lot of the issues with European pricing is that inflation has hit there harder than the US, so the currency advantage isn't absorbing VAT tax like it usually does.
Watching computer part prices is like watching the stock market. You almost have to just buy what you can when you can, never look at the market again and be happy with what you have until you need to buy again because you never know if the price of something is going to go up or down tomorrow.
This is becoming all too true. I'm biting the bullet, saving up my money and just buying the part I want once I have the money. Waiting has fucked me over hard each time I've heeded that advice. Prices are higher than they've been since the pandemic and there's nothing to force them down coming anytime soon.
I just bought a second handed Gigabyte 5700XT for 175USD...that's a very good deal...
bought mine 400€ and sold it during pandemy 900€ (rebought a 6900xt at that time 1500€) its a very good card even 4 wqhd gaming
I would go with an AMD 6800xt or the 6900xt/6950xt if I was to purchase a card. I think team green go a little full of themselves over the last few generations. They burnt the bridge when the 20's series came out. They cost less for better performance over my 1080Ti.
I kick myself for going with the 6800xt when it dropped down to 650.00 and a few weeks later the 6900xt dropped down to around 699.
I go back and forth on my GPU and CPU. I usually go with the best performance for what I want to spend. If team green is 10% faster, but cost 15-20% more I usually go with the team red. Same with the CPU.
Bought a rx6800 power color red dragon for $400 on ebay to replace my 1080ti. Open box from a tech store in NJ. Honestly, I am very satisfied with how well the card works.
If I werent deliberating in the current gen, I'd be kicking myself too!
the 6800xt / 6900xt / 6950xt are now listed higher than the xtx at my parts dealer >.>; ffs FML. lol
but I got about 1 more month before i decided I would pull the pin... so fingers crossed T_T
My gaming laptop has a 6900hx and a 6800s Radeon. for the portability it is phenomenal
amd/nvidya sells crap that can't even run "modern" games with "modern" graphics properly on 1440p 144Hz aka mid-range monitors. crap mid-range GPUs for 1000+ bucks. yey! lets buy that! nah, f amd/nvidya.
and 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt aren't much better, obsolete overpriced overheating room heaters that can't run "modern" graphics aka GOD RAYS at all.
PC gaming is dead and would stay dead (aka 0 progress in graphics and every game made for morally obsolete hardware) until GPUs get 2-3x cheaper. because nobody makes games for unaffordable PCs. and that what PC gaming has become = unaffordable.
also f xbox/ps5 because amoode makes those and by selling overpriced morally obsolete cards tries to make people go for consoles. and sells you crap anyway.
@@rawdez_ wth dude. Smoke less.
6950 XT for under $800 is looking like a pretty good deal right now until you see that you are able to get a 7900 XT at Microcenter for $100 more.
I bought a 3050XC back when I built my rig earlier this year. Spent about $325 for it, and in 1440p, I'm loving every title. For the future, I might want to leave Nvidia and investigate AMD. That Red Dragon has me intrigued for the FPS/$ ratio.
325$ for a 50 tier card. I feel bad for you.
Ouch, I snagged a 6650xt for $340+ tax at my best buy earlier
@@Sovek86 i bought rx 6600 for 350€ 8 months ago
@@Sovek86 thats way better, basically double the fps same cost. But the fair value of this card is probably in the mid 200s. People need to wake up. Nvidia AND AMD are scamming you. Especially with rdna3 and 4000 series.
I paid (converted to USD) almost the same amount of around 330 USD. But for am AORUS triple fan RTX 3060 TI. But it was second hand, from a store, with sealed stickers on the card and I doubt it was used for mining, since it was manufactured in March or April 2022. And I got still 1 year warranty.
You should have waited until October/November. You would've gotten so much more for the money.
I can only speak for myself here: When i upgrade, i always go for the card that gives me *at least* double the performance for the same price as the old one. Or better yet: double the performance for cheaper (requires skipping multiple generations). Example: since i have currently the RTX 3080 (bought for 730€ at release), my next upgrade will probably be a RTX 5070 or 6070.
And how did you manage to buy a RTX 3080 for 730€ at release when in a matter of seconds those cards were out of stock and sold by scalpers for $1000+ ?
@@GholaTleilaxulaw of statistics, at least a few people were bound to scoop up a few before the bots bought them all
@@RK-ej1to That is correct. Some people, especially in certain areas of the USA, were able to buy the respective product from the physical, retail shop near their homes. Then, we all know the stories of the locos crossing the continent and queuing for days to buy a smartphone. But I am seeing a different online pattern here on UA-cam, for some time now. The pattern of lies of "I bought it on day 1 @ MSRP from [insert website]"
Not going for the most popular brands Asus , Gigabyte ,Msi , helped alot etc in zotac queue on launch day i paid £699 scan over sold so ealy oct 2020 when i was still near bottom of the queue palit stock came in i swapped for the gaming pro for £50 more, its a robust , well designed gpu , I have been running the gamerock oc bios on it for 1 year ,which means i have upto 450w to play with can can reach higher core and mem clocks ( when its needed )
I followed Jayz advice and upgraded to a new Asus TUF 3080 when it dipped to $700, that was a much pain as I could give myself.
I did the same, but I picked up a Zotac Trinity at the absolute dip of $620. Wanted the FTW3 but they were still $730 at the time. Jay got some flack for that bit of advice but it was timely.
Lol and my overclocked 3060ti is faster than a 3070FE. Waste of money
Better than me paying $700 for a 3070 lmao
@@josephoverstreet5584 The prices are all so crazy. We will probably all scream 🤬if Nvidia lowers the 4080 to $600
@@jeffsmith2283 >🤬if Nvidia lowers the 4080 to $600
in your wet dreams only. or in 5 years and it will be the same "meh, gfys, nvidya" by that time just like it is right now. gfys, nvidya.
I ended up getting a Radeon RX 6750 XT. They were going for about $449.99 on AMD’s website back when Nvidia first released their RTX 4000 series. It’s good enough for me for 1440p high settings and high refresh rate graphics.
nVidia needs to get back to the pricing where the 70 series are $400-$600, the 80 series cards are $600-$800, and the 90 series (or Titan or whatever) are around $1000-$1200. Even tacking on an extra $100 to each price point for inflation, the prices right now are too high.
Having sold 47 of them implies to me, miner. So then the expanded description might read "Used with box, run flat out 24x7 for 3 years"
Refurbished doesn't necessarily means it was returned and worked on, this also encompasses product that was pulled off the line for QA testing (can't sell these as new due to being used). The problem is we will never know why the item is listed as a refurbished item.
In my experience they typically list the problems in the desc, many refurb items I have bought have just been minor scratches/cosmetic damages. Though I imagine most dont list this
Bro another Jay moment
Jay is totally correct, refurbished sucks because it's already broken once. It's already a suspect product. I'd rather buy something used that's never had an issue over refurbished any day of the week
LOL, of course you can sell parts that are pulled of the line for QA as new. I work for an automotive supplier and we do that all the time! These are the best parts, since you know for a fact that they are working. For all the other parts you just assume that by statistics.
@@bradtraq1 That is not what refurbished means at all. Refurbished can mean it was broken and repaired, but most of the time it means the item was returned in working order or traded in working order and it was pulled apart, cleaned, inspected and verified to be fully functional before it was listed for resale.
I’m still happy with my 980 Ti. I can wait until sanity and prices return to earth.
XFX 6950 XT for £770 on Amazon
How long have you used your 980 for? I'm sitting on a 1060, wondering how long it's got left...
@@ATGolden 6 years.
@@lohphat dang, I'm on 4, happy to know there is hope to wait this price hell out longer
Long time ebay buyer and seller here. FYI, anything you buy on ebay can be returned. Anything listed as used is presumed to be functional. If it doesn't work you can send it back regardless of what the seller wants. Ebay will force them to accept a return. Even items listed as "for parts" can be returned if they don't match the description in any way. Basically, you can always return anything you buy on ebay.
I bought a $700 eBay Strix 3080ti a couple months back with one wobbly fan and consider myself extremely lucky. Spent another 100 bucks on new fans, thermal pads, and a repaste when it got delivered and couldn't be happier. Get yourself an iFixit kit and dive in, you might surprise yourself.
I used to only buy used off eBay but UK sellers are expecting too much for used components. My 1060 6GB was such a good deal brand new (since it was equivalent to prev gen 980) that I have not been tempted to snap up a replacement in years. Nvidias price inflation means people have stopped caring about upgrading their PCs and I think it will have a knock on impact on CPU sales in the months to come.
It'll knock on game development too. One of the dev complaints is about how long the 1060 lasted, and so every engine HAS TO be coded to that "old" standard. Well unless prices drop, people HAVE to keep their cards longer, so the standards needing to be supported are going to just get older.
@@markhackett2302 Some developers have said they are considering changing their targets to go for INTEGRATED GPUs as that is what can be afforded.
In the end, Nvidia can't cater the few with deep pockets and make the money, the industry that drives those sales WILL dry up, and at that point, where is the software that can actually use those fancy high end products?
if it does have an effect on CPU sales, Nvidia will laugh since last i heard, they arent making cpus...
@@markhackett2302 Also if no-one can afford the cards programming games for top end specs is pointless as your product will have no market.
@@CMDRSweeper that would actually be a win for Nvidia since they have a very powerful SoC and can easily start selling that with an even higher power consumption rather than being stuck with mobile limits to make a gaming SoC for laptops like a Tegra 8 or something like that... Nvidia is not only GPU for gamers in fact for a long time now they receive way more from the server tech, machine learning tech and AI SoC for cars and other applications it's not hard for them to target a whole new paradigm
The 6700 XT is still 430€+ in germany, the Red Devil is even 550€. Gaming on PC has never been more frustrating.
They often use cookies in your browser and router to know what you have been looking for lately, then raise the praise automatically. It happens with almost every online shop on the internet.
I got really lucky with the used 1080ti i bought back in 2020. They were the original owner, bought direct from EVGA with a 5 year paid warranty, and they gave me the documentation for it if i ever needed to use it.
In my country a 3080 costs $950 while a 4080 starts from $1500, shit has gotten too much out of hand...
I know people that paid $1300 for 3070ti's and $1600 for 3080ti's over the past couple years. I waited and these prices for better performance isn't a dilemma, it's validation that waiting paid off.
I grabbed a 3080ti for 1200 about 3 months ago. I waited long enough! Obviously not long enough in the long run.
@@mathnerd25 a second hand 3090 for 570€ a month and a half ago lmao
I'm honestly amazed how many times I've seen people saying that the price increase is because of the increase in performance. My brother in Christ, did think the 2080 was $400 lol.
4:00 if you want to know what they're going for, sort by Completed/Sold listing instead of currently live listing. That way you'll see what prices people are willing to buy at
I will buy a 4080 when 50 series comes out and the price drops. 😂
…and all the bugs are worked out…just upgraded from a 2080S to a 3080 and it will work just fine for a long time.
@Kristof Molnar if it’s that much, made 4060 if they make one. 😂
@Kristof Molnar …don’t forget the “benefits” of inflation! Oh wait…
Was kicking myself for missing black Friday prices, but the local microcenter came to the rescue. For the last couple weeks they have been getting random drops of 25+ cards at decent prices.
One time it was TUF 6900XTs for $700 (I picked one up for myself). Next week it was $500 Powercolor 6800s. Just today they put up $780 MSI 3080s.
Don't know if this happens at all the stores but potential buyers that are near a microcenter should keep an eye on their stock.
In regards to your question, as a first time PC builder who intends to build a "do it all & well" build with my son for $1600-2000, we decided to go with a Asus Tuf 3070ti OC edition for $623. OTD through Amazon on Dec 26th (It was a return). Overall build is a
• Asus Tuf Gt501-case$129
•Asus Tuf 3070ti OC-GPU$623
•Asus Prime z790-A-Mobo$306
•TeamForce DDR5(6000mhz)(2×16Gb)$161
•Samsung 980 1TB evo/pro-SSD$78
•intel i713700k-CPU$427
•1000w 80% Gold-psu$129.
•Asus Rog 240mm AIO(wht)$124
OTD @$1998 currently
Love your channel for the great delivery of knowledge and simplicity of understanding the products in depth. Thank you! Lmk your feedback on my build. Ty
to answer your question i had $700 to buy a GPU and settled with a $1800 4090
The problem for me is that things like the 20 series and most of the 30 series doesnt justify a big enough jump from the 1080 ti to even upgrade, so its go 3080 ti or higher, which is 1000 plus which is alot of money. 3080 ti is 1200 or more now. so buying used is the only option for gpus now in my mind .
Yeah i literally just went from a 1080ti too a 7900xtx
3080ti at 1200 makes the 4700 ti at 800 look tempting
@@dankykong5113 agreed. I got a 3080 ti for $650 on ebay from a reputable seller. Who accidentally sent me 3090 by mistake. But said I could keep it for my inconvenience if I wanted so I wouldn't have to put off my build. I also went with a 5900x because I don't trust am5 just yet.
Historically I'd be a premium buyer where price point is irrelevant, but since the pandemic it's about what's in stock. Also, the output of these cards drastically exceeds my monitor resolution and framerate (3440x1440 @100 fps). In any game where my current card struggles (a 2080 TI, still going strong), I've been more likely to turn graphics down from Ultra to High than reach for my wallet and face this dilemma, and it gives me back the frames with barely-noticeable quality sacrifices. I expect the only difference a newer card would make is lower heat and fan speed for the same capped performance.
Let's be real too...ultra isn't much different from high.
@@rustyshackleford5668 As a game developer, it usually quite literally is not. Ultra is just pushing the boundaries but sometimes its just allowing unoptimized options on, whereas high is just... Optimized ultra. In some rare cases Ultra serves a purpose, but most of the time you'd optimize for high and lower, and just leave ultra as "everything enabled" (including unoptimized settings)
I also run 3440x1440 @120hz but on a 3080. It literally isn't eve struggling, 4k is overrated and people have been suckled into buying for it for no reason, my 3080 will easily last until 2024/25.
@@rustyshackleford5668 Not true... ultra can as much as double your vram requirements!
But yeah, in many games ultra is the "spend twice the system resources for a 2% improvement" setting.
I'm in the exact same boat. I've got a 2080TI as well as a 3440x1440 120hz monitor and I really only struggle to run BRAND NEW AAA titles on ultra. I can't bring myself to spend so much on a new card just so I can hit ultra on a game that isn't in a finished state anyway lol I just turn on DLSS instead of spending $1600 haha
yes, excellent resolution! These GPU's are waaay more powerful than needed. Why use a 4k monitor unless you can drop $3k on a PC?
Been gaming for 3 decades now and I am just NOW considering going to a 1440P monitor... but still keeping a 1080P for those just in case scenarios when a new game comes out and my PC struggles again... because that time WILL come!
Just picked up a lightly used 2080ti off eBay for $492 USD all in, taxes + shipping. Upgrading from the 950ti that served my dad well since he picked it up at release. Got his PC when he passed last year. He was holding up on upgrading until prices went down. I think he’d approve.
Miss you dad 🫡
Been postponing ANY GPU upgrade since the 1070 ti... Prices went full tarded and stayed there.
Secondary market here I come..!!
This makes me happy with the $300 3060 ti fe I picked up used this week, came with paperwork, used for 6 months, I needed a better card for my backup pc. I have stress tested this card and it works great.
Yep. 300-400$ is all anyone ever needs. Screw these companies
I just bought a 3070 strix for $430, but I could've gone even cheaper with a $350 3070 from gigabyte. The used market for gpus is where to look rn.
I got the ARC LE A770 with 16GB of VRAM, I'm fine playing at 60HZ and it does 1080/1440P really well, even 4K with upscaling tech enabled. Plus alot of the ultra settings like bloom, god rays, motion blur, just make the screen look more blurry. So I'm fine with the card I chose. AMD and Nvidia may be for high rollers but If they want to leave mid-range and low end behind than Intel can pick it up for all I care. I got mine for $300 USD with an in store rebate. Performance is like a 3060 with RT and slightly higher than a 3070 in raster performance.
@@phoenixrising4995 I ordered the Arc LE a770 last night, ( it will be here Wednesday)
I'm looking forward to testing it out and overclocking it so see what kind of performance I can get out of it!
I got lucky and one of my classmates sold me his 3070 for $300! Works like a charm too.
Just jealous ! Great deal !
Even when an item is working and you cause it to stop working, and the listing says 'no returns', ebay still lets you return it against the sellers protest. (commenting from experience as a seller)
Just fixed my RX 590 with some new thermal paste… Works better now then when it was new! Those new cards are crazy expensive so that was a big relief when I got away with just buying some new goo! 😂
im still rocking a RX580 and for 1080P gaming its great
rx 590 with a xeon e3 1246. no need to upgrade anything yet
Here's a dilemma I've been through buying a graphics card, i have a STRIX 2080 Super and decided to sell it back at the end of 2019 to prepare for the upcoming 30 series then i decided to hold off and check first if it's worth the upgrade and It was however the shortage forced me to stick to my 2080s until the prices go down and almost two years later after the shortage "end" i thought it was a good time to upgrade to a 3080 but it felt wrong paying full price for a two years especially with the 40 series around the corner, finally i decided to skip the 3080 and wait for the 4080 (and boy was i wrong) after seeing the ridiculous pricing of the 4080 i decided to hold off AGAIN for the 50 series hoping that Nvidia might learn and correct their stupid prices for the 80/70 class ('cause i know for a fact that Nvidia wouldn't sell 4070 at $500 range it won't make since the gap in pricing between the 4080 and 4070 would be massive). it would be hilarious if Nvidia releases the 50 series with 10-15% price increase over the 40 series.
morale of the story, don't trust your insticts bro
@@occhiuzzicalefaccioncentra9800 tbh, no one could know that NVIDIA just plain lied to the customers and made a paperlaunch with 30xx series cards, because an 3080 for 729€ incl. taxes would have been a very good deal, they just never were available and when they cost around 2000€. 40xx is just a plain rip off and thankfully it backfired at them.
My advice, go for a 3090 on ebay. Look for one with warranty and pref with pictures of the fins being clean and it inside a system. You have close to the performance of a 4080 and more vram too boot. Ntm a good price would be around 900. I got a EVGA 3090 with 2 year warranty for 920 after shipping and taxes. Itll take a while to find one thats right but go for it. Pro tip, most buy it nows are people who have had trouble moving their cards so look at bids.
As a 2080 Ti owner, I'm thinking about going AMD for my next GPU. The 7900XTX is looking pretty good.
@JoshJLMG Productions Only go XTX if you going AMD, its the only one worth it. The rest of AMDs line up are still worse cards than their Nvidia counterparts but with the same amount of overpricing. I'd rather buy used 30 Nvidia and hope they get thier shit together for 50 series. Considering how they responded to 20 series backlash with the 30 series, im very hopeful. The only thing nvidia has going for it honestly.
I waited for the new AMD cards to see how good they'd be but when I saw it wasn't all that much better, I ordered the RX 6800xt for $650 on Amazon. I'm upgrading from an rx 5600xt so it'll be great for me. Got a 2k monitor from Walmart black friday sale, I'm set. Can't wait for that card to show up.
Was waiting for the XTX as well. Disappointed in the performance once we saw the numbers, and it's impossible to buy right now where I'm at. Even those who did get to buy it, it was $100 bucks cheaper than the 4080 (which imo is a better card all things considered). Brand new 7700x PC with a 3gb 1060 which basically meant I couldn't play the games I wanted to play. Ended up buying the 4080 for $1450, which is completely insane, but fuck it at least I can have some great gaming days over the holidays.
For the record, the cheapest I could buy a 4090 for is $2300, so the premium over the 4080 just wasn't worth it for me.
@Tullekunstner fuck man I would of looked at last Gen deals tbh. 6000 series amd is where it's at for value atm and you could of enabled SAM and got some nice gains on that 7700x. There's 6950xts for $789 atm. That's 3090ti tier performance
@@ChosenOneDan That would've been amazing, but the cheapest 6950xt in my country sits at $1050 :/
Sucks that prices have been kept this high even after the mining collapse.
I was extremely fortunate to snag an EVGA 3080TI from Newegg for 799 a few months ago. A week later it shot right back up to over 900. I waited for over a year to find the right timing to buy one. Glad I did, saved me 1k.
Surely I'm not the only one that has seen people trying to sell an empty box!
Hey Jay, big fan here from Malaysia. Thanks to your videos/advice, i managed to build my first ever budget-build.
-NZXT H210
-Asrock B560 m/itx
-I5-11400f
-PowerColor RX6600 (wish i could get a better one but it's what i could afford...)
-Kingston Fury 8GBx2 3200mhz
-ID-Cooling Frostflow X 240 - PushPull Intake Config using 4 120 static pressure fans (thanks to your push/pull/pushpull vid and fan types vids)
wish i could send you a picture but it's nothing compared to the ones featured on your videos 😅
Keep up the good work (especially the tutorials), it really helps us newcomers!
mitx is not a budget-build
@@woofkaf7724 it's budget when the price is right.
@@woofkaf7724 sorry allow me to clarify.
-Chipset is from a previous pre-built (reused)
-B series mobo as opposed to Z series (budget option)
-fans/AIO and accessories are from ID-Cooling, a budget option, instead of Noctua or BeQuiet etc
-NZXT H210 case was on sale for MYR 140 (about 30usd)
-traded in my GTX1660 Super from pre-built for RX6600, paid half of the cost.
so yes, it is a budget-build 😅
@@woofkaf7724 mitx can be a budget build since you can get a mother around 100 dollar, and case can be cheap. Most importantly different people have different budget value and limit
Jay2kupang
Thank God I haven't been in the market for a new-ish GPU in years!
There's a lot to be said for playing all those wonderful games from yesterday that I didn't get round to trying at the time. I could pick from the limited selection of today's best games that require today's hardware or I can open my options up to all the games from the whole of time, most of which will run on a potato. I can even dabble in emulation if somehow that isn't enough.
Yeah and with all the aggressive monetisation we have in modern games today, older games are much more relaxing, time to become a gaming history nerd.
Some of the industry’s best games from recent years also run on potatoes. Look at Battlebit Remastered or Valheim for great examples!
my friend works at microcenter and he tells me when the shipments arrive so I was able to get my 3080 at MSRP pretty fast when it came out.
My Vega 56 still handles almost all new games decently to really well at 1440p, usually high-ish settings. Only game it seriously struggles with is Cyberpunk. Emulation? Well, maybe not those experimental PS3/360 emulators, but PS2, Switch etc.? No problem, even at 4k. I can probably stick it out for another 2-3 years or something before I start to really struggle with new games.
I have been recommending to people that they go back and play old games.
Basically the new market is shit, and the used market is shit. Guess my 1070 will keep running for a while longer
Bought a 7900 XT In November of 2023. Best decision I've made regarding GPUs. It's far and away the best card I've ever had.
My 2070 super lasted 4 years and still works, I'm gonna make this AMD card last even longer because of its raw horsepower :)
The dilemma you are describing is exactly what the manufacturers were counting on. The only solace is that there are some legitimately good deals on some AMD 6K series cards.
About 3 or 4 months ago I got an RTX 3070 for my system for $350 plus $15 shipping used off of eBay. Guy used it less than a year, it's a 3-fan MSI model. It's been nothing but great to me, and I couldn't find a new 3070 anywhere else for less than $550-600. Used parts can save you big time, you just have to be careful with them.
Good one! Perhaps a bit better than the Dell pull (that would be very little usage, but not three fan card) 3060 Ti that I got for $350 (shipping included) off eBay in early October. The Ti version of the 3060 is significantly better than the 3060 and not that far off from the 3070. I plan to do a full upgrade to a more crazy card in a couple years with a complete system refresh (3060Ti is just to tide me over from the GTX 970 I was using since 2015).
Just did the same thing and am upgrading from a 980ti. Can't wait to see the massive gainz.
Even if it was used for mining, I would pay that. I ran 24 mining cards during the pandemic and only 2 failed, and they were the same model where the fan bearings failed. The circuitry was fine.
Just pick up a 3070 for 410 used for my first build. Will be putting it together Saturday. I'm super excited. Got a 13600k for it as well.
@jd make sure you do the upgrade to the VRAM heat tape.
3080's and 3090's are notoriously bad for blowing up their VRAM if you don't have the proper thickness tape to ensure contact with the backplate and the heatsink.
Don't believe the "its made to to run at 100c" hype.
Was able to get a used rx 6800xt for $650 CAD which is around $480 USD recently. Consider that new ones here in Canada are in the $1k+ range and people are still selling used 5700xt for $500-800.
I did a nice 12700k 64gb build last year and told myself I'd reuse my old 1070ti until prices come back down to earth. I assumed 4000 series at the latest. Here I am now still with an old card and stubbornly refusing to pay for a new card..
Is it the norm for gamers to be buying gpu over $600? When I upgrade, I set a budget for around $3-400. Looks like I am in the minority now. Settled for a 6700xt for $400. Didn't feel like waiting until the new series cards release gpu in that range. Who knows when that will be.
Just a few generations ago the high end cards were around $600-$800ish MSRP. The most I've spent on a new GPU was around $420 for a 6750XT and even that was a hard pill to swallow since I really don't game much these days. I think the majority of people are willing to spend in the range of $200-400 like you and I. It seems insane to me to spend anywhere near $1k on a GPU even if money were no object. It is definitely not the norm.
I'm looking at an RX 580 to satisfy my needs; my son a 3060ti (found new for $200 and $600 Canadian each)
Set my budget for a 3070ti and ended up buying a 3080 cause they were $10 price difference at the time. It was somewhere around $700, it was some weird pricing that was at the end of the price curve. Still feel good about the purchase. There's no game that I can't run lol.
well i slapped my wallet with a 1080 when the first rtx got on the market....whoooopping 560eur for new+100 for a waterblock ....now looks like a nothing for a high endish gfx.
@@the1whokill518 when the 3080 would cost here 700dollars = 660 eur.... i would buy 2 :D its going from 1000 to 1200 :D
I ended up going for the zotac 4080 jay showed on the channel because I got a deal at £250 off which brought it down close to what the aib 7900xtx cards were costing. I don’t regret my purchase especially seeing some of the issues 7000 series is having
I bought a refurbished MSI Z270-A Pro almost three years ago and it's still going strong. It had a 1 year recertification protection plan, and I wouldn't have bought it with no safety net, but I don't shy away from used, refurbished, and open box. Got a good deal on open box PowerColor RX 590 for my daughter's build back in 2019.
Refurbished doesn't mean "it had a problem". It's just a special category of used where the item is put through some standard practices for cleaning, testing, etc.
I bought a 6800xt a few weeks ago for $540. I have only owned nvidia gpus so was a little hesitant to buy amd, but seeing how it beats the 3070ti and the 3080 in rasterization in most games, it was well worth it for me. I used the $200-$300 i saved to put towards a new monitor.
yea absolutely that 6800xt was a awesome grab. you don't need dlss when you're at over 100+ fps at 1440p ultra. and raytracing just isn't in enough games yet to care.
I got mine about a month back for the same price and I've loved it. Also stepped up from a 2700x to a 5700x for 150$ new
This is what I have decided on as well, still see them around near $600 while they last. Hoping that waiting to buy until CES doesn't kick me in the ass. I'm still nervous about getting an AMD card. I had one back in the R9 days and it lasted a week of crashing constantly. After the RMA I got a 970 and have been nvidia ever since. Have you had any glaring issues with your card?
@@js-vl8ct if I try to push past 2680 mhz at 1050mV in some games I crash. But if I don't tweak I basically don't have any crashes. Cod warzone was stutters and crashes every third game on release but it's been good since the updates. I play Valhalla 1440p max settings over 100fps. Warzone is max settings 140ish (depending on cpu also). I stream and with cpu encoding and I run at 1080 60 fps no stutters in any game
@@js-vl8ct buy the card and push it a little right when you get it and see what it can do. Then lower it down so it stays cool and it will run like a dream. If it doesn't return it !
The 3070ti is around £700, as is some of the RX6800XT and for £50 to £100 more a RX6800XT and as you said the 3080s / 3080ti here is around £1,500, which is more than the 4080, and the 4070 could be close to the 3070. So like many, I don't know what to do and know that if I get something now and pay a lot then I am also keeping the process high.
You can get a 6900xt from overclockers for £700. £650 if they still have b grade stock in. It's been a few days since I checked but they aren't as expensive now as they used to be
I'm happy with my 7900xt I got for £900. It is cheaper than 3090ti, faster, uses less power and is new. Yes it is worse value than xtx but not by much and plenty fast.
@@armed_but_blind2768 I was looking at this on OC - Asrock Radeon RX 6900 XT Extreme Formula 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card GX-00N-AK £749.99, but the RX 6950 XT MSI seems close or around the same price as the 6900XT - MSI Radeon RX 6950 XT GAMING X TRIO 16G £753.48 on Amazon.
Don't you get fed up with always being ripped off? Our heating was over £400 this month, so it's heating vs food vs a graphics card.
Yep, the prices are insane. Why would a 3080 Ti cost more than a 4080? I got myself a Radeon RX 6750 XT for 1440p gaming and I'm satisfied with raster performance between the 3070 and 3070 Ti.
@@lxtwin it's upto you mate at the end of the day I nearly got the 6800xt but in the end I settled for 6700xt and will wait for the rest of the next gen cards to come out.
Built a pc for a friend for christmas, got him a 6700xt for 500 CAD at the store, there were some 3060ti for 580$ too, the high end cards were at 1k+ Not worth it at all.
In EU there is a good price also for a 3090...800 1000 eur. When i think that in january 2022 the price is 2500 3000 eur is a good deal now!
Picked up the Red Devil 6950 xt you talked about in the video for$760 from Microcenter last week.
Thinking of getting a used 3070 off Ebay for up to £400 ($400 equivalent accounting for taxes and exchange rate), to replace my GTX980. Gonna be a temporary measure until there's something in the high-mid range for a reasonable price.
If it's going to just be temporary, you might be better off waiting for the mid-range cards of the current gen but you never know. It could take forever for those to be available since everything sells out in about 5 minutes of less now.
@@TheCudder4life Yeah I'm not buying into 7000/4000 series hype cause they just will not be available for a long, long while. And if they do end up available they'll probably be stupidly expensive.
I'm in the same position as you, I have a 970 but I'm not sure if I want to buy Used or wait for msrp to go down, yet if I wait I'm worried that scalpers will snatch it off the shelves before me. it's a double edged sword....
Would you risk buying a used product tho? Personally I'm done buying used gpu's, bought 2 so far this year. A 1660 super first, then a 2060 super. 1660 super only lasted a month and the 2060 super for only 3. Both used on mining, sellers told me they we're cleaned and well maintained. 1660s mined for about a year and 2060s almost 2 years. Too bad I couldn't check the unit personally, but seller sent me pics and vids stress testing gpu's before sending to me.
@@justaverage7610 i bought my 2nd GPU on ebay, communicate with the seller and if the person has really good reviews then the item should be good to buy. Manage to snag a rtx 3070ti for a good price
"write phil the hate mail." gives nic's mail LUL
What angers me the most, is the amount of sly bidding that happens and ebay isn't catching it. I've been chasing bids on a 3080 founders, and I found TWO listings, where the sellers were inflating their own price with alt accounts, and when it didn't sell for the price they wanted, they relisted it. I kid you not, I have seen this happen on TWO concurrent listings... I ended up giving up on those, and getting another 3080 that was more expensive. I ended up paying MSRP for a used one, but it still had warranty, so whatever. I found one where the seller had the audacity to not only specify that it was used for mining, but also selling price close to 2x MSRP? Bruh...
Kinda done with the Nvidia tax, I just bought a new MSI Gaming X Trio 6900 XT for £670.99 new delivered here in the UK, ray tracing isn't high on my list so this will be a great for for my system as I run a 5800 X3D at 3440 x 1440P
Did you mean £679? Because if it's £67.9 then send me one please! XD
😂😂
Nice, I'm I. The same mindset. Especially since I felt Nvidia screwed us over last time. I have a similar setup, what's your fps at for some games? I got my 7900 xtx on the way
@@scotianbank my bad, seems I can't type today, if they were £67 I'd have bough 10!!
@@mariuszszewczyk2277 I don't have the card as yet as I only ordered it yesterday, I'm currently running a Strix 1080Ti on water, it's been solid but the 6900xt will be a great upgrade.
Just bought 3 new GPUs to upgrade the PCs at home. Two went from RTX 2060 to RTX 3070 and one from GTX 1060 to RTX 3060. My son with the 1060 to 3060 got the best deal. He gained a lot for the money. My wifes and my PC not that much. On my RTX 2060 i had to reduce couple of details, was a mix of Medium and High settings and depending on the games i play, i used to get around 60-180fps. I play at 1080p 144Hz. Now with the RTX 3070 i get the same result, except i can put a mix of High to Ultimate settings. Fact is, with all the image quality technologies of today, there is a barely noticeable difference between a mix of medium+high and high+ultra. So if you are playing at 1080p and are running an RTX 2060 or anything equivalent, there isn't much need for upgrading. The only real noticable gain i noticed was in 2 VR games.
You have to love those household rebuilds, like taking an ice bath.
I managed to get a 3080 for $800 Usd in New Zealand where prices are even more inflated than the US. I call that a score.
Being stuck on 1080p means my GTX980Ti from 7 years ago still runs all games. Though I would like some Ray Tracing but it seems it’s not quite ready yet anyway.
1080p does me plenty especially at ultra. Very happy for getting my first new gpu (rx6600 nonxt) was a huge upgrade from my ebay bargin bin 1050ti and I did editing on that thing. I hear all the time that editing is only decent on Nvidia and in my experience it's been pretty smooth transitioning from team green to team red.
+1 on the 6600 for 1080p gaming. I love mine.
@@JamieStuff It's a fantastic card and a hell of a workhorse. 211 at the time I bought it and considering I bought my 1050ti in the tail end of the crypto boom for 150 bucks +s&h it's well worth it. I couldn't be happier.
Copped a 6650xt during Black Friday myself. Couldn't be happier. Bonus points for buying last gen since I didn't have to worry about AMD drivers being total doodoo after years of updates.
@@Jarekx2007 amen to that
Same reason I went with Intel ARC.
I got the ARC LE A770 with 16GB of VRAM, I'm fine playing at 60HZ and it does 1080/1440P really well, even 4K with upscaling tech enabled. Plus alot of the ultra settings like bloom, god rays, motion blur, just make the screen look more blurry. So I'm fine with the card I chose. AMD and Nvidia may be for high rollers but If they want to leave mid-range and low end behind than Intel can pick it up for all I care. I got mine for $300 USD with an in store rebate. Performance is like a 3060 with RT and slightly higher than a 3070 in raster performance.
After searching for 6 weeks, I finally found a Gigabyte 3080 10gig for MSRP at Best Buy. They are out there friends, good luck!
Got a new 3080 ti strix for $800, there is hope!
The company I work for sell under the eBay refurbished program. This is a strict program that ebay has implemented that sellers have to apply for and prove they sell great products that are the actual item listed. Typically for a " eBay refurbished " item it doesn't mean there was an issue it means that it was gone through by a seller who has proven to a great seller and trust worthy along with doing testing and cleaning the item up. As a trusted eBay refurbisher seller information like this " it's had an issue " is rather misleading and can be harmful to the sales of those of us who have to prove ourselves. I appreciate you advocating to look into eBay and to pay attention like you stated about the part of " for parts " but please be mindful in all the information that comes into play with " refurbished " appreciate you and all your videos and information I watch your stuff so much and love all your information and builds!! Keep it up and don't stop bro.
After NVIDIA announced the price of the RTX 4000 launch lineup and some performance characteristics of the 3 cards got generally pinned down, I just decided to get a RTX 3080-12GB as it pretty much fell down to the 3080's OG MSRP New (650-750), despite pretty much being a shaved down RTX 3080Ti (and performing between them).
Note, this was when Ampere GPUs were available again and before Lovelace came out officially, and the card is performing very well.
I was getting greedy but I'm sticking with my 1080Ti PC. Even though I am finding 2080Ti for the price I paid for my 1080Ti PC over a year later. What can you do.
I went from a 1080ti to a 6900xt red devil. Bro that was such an insane jump. I would skip 20xxs though. No point. youd need to go to a 30 series to see a big enough jump until you get the 2080ti for CHEAP.
@@firmteacher I paid $1k for my 1080Ti with I7 8700k 32gb ram etc etc. Now I am seeing 2080Ti PCS selling for the same price or cheaper, that's what I am saying. I'm keeping it until it dies. I wouldn't go with anything under a 3080Ti for my next PC. I bought it when the prices were insane though and it was a banger of a deal at the time.
I'm also running a 1080Ti with a i9 10900k, and for my usage I see no reason to upgrade yet, runs everything I play perfectly fine, and I have no issues what so ever.
@@Sir_LynX I'm going to have to OC mine to get some better frames. I just tried out rdr2 on 1440p ultra and only got 25fps LOL!
I get people are upset at pricing but we need to come to reality with inflation, it is real and it is here to stay even if it goes down it will never be 2016 pricing it's almost 8 years old. I sell A/C systems for residential houses for a living, they use to cost 1k to 1600 USD for a system from 2-5 ton back in 2016/17. Now a 2 ton system is legit 2k and a 5 ton is 4k+. Things will never be same and we need to understand that.
You should do a video showcasing how many gallons of milk or something like that you can buy with 1000 dollars. Because to me is that people get "accustomed" to see the same price range for something everywhere, and so like unconsciously they start thinking that's normal, and then they see that price vs something higher and say "oh this one's cheap!". No, it's not. It's a ton of money regardless, the other one is just more expensive.
I have been seeing really amazing prices for AMD cards from last generation all over the place. I ended up buying a red-Devil 6800xt for $569. I was waiting to upgrade from last card because prices we still so high for mid to high level cards. I really think that looking into to AMD as a real option is something a lot of gamer would benefit from. I love my AMD card and it works great for what I need.
I’m wanting to buy a 6800 XT myself, is it worth it?
@@simplebidnessman As a proud owner for nearly 2 years now, its been great -- 90+ fps on literally anything at any tier... if you dont fuck around with 4k you'll have a 120+fps blast.
@@GLOCKRIVERSTV planning on getting a 1440p monitor myself
@@simplebidnessman yep thats what I use and its wicked bro
@@GLOCKRIVERSTV I ended up getting the 6800 XT phantom gaming
The 3080ti went on sale for $740 at Best Buy 4 months ago. 3080 at Newegg was $$620 3 months ago, same listing now $959. Seriously what in the actual fuck
I've built 5 pc's for customers the past month, but I've had pretty restricted budgets. Highest was $1200 so most of the graphics cards I've been going with have been sub-$400. What you get in AMD vs Nvidia at that price is quite a bit of difference. For those builds, I generally had to choose between 6700 or 6700 xt variants vs. 1080 or maybe a 1080 ti. I like AMD a lot in the price range at the moment.
AMD is the performance per dollar king usually, and Nvidia is the max performance king. I think for most people AMD is starting to make sense
AMD is for brokies.
Jeez imagine putting in a 1080 ti in a 2022 lmao, pc was outdated before he was event built.
3060/3060tis are easily available sub 400 🤷🏻♂️
@@alexisbad123 yeah im running a 750ti 😂 cant wait to get my 3060ti running, my case and AIO are under the tree!
There is another aspect to this problem.
I'm willing to pay, but I can't buy 4090 and 4080 because they don't fit into my newly purchased PC case.
You are willing to pay 1500 to 2000 USD for a GPU but can't justify 100 to 200 USD on a new case?
@@TheWoolyninja4 They might not be able to upgrade their case. Could be in a cramped house and don't have enough space for large PCs.
Or could have 4 - 6 drives in there, and if you're essentially rebuilding your entire PC just to upgrade a GPU, it'd just be better to buy one that fits, with similar enough performance.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 I mean if your looking to up there isn't much in the last two years that much smaller. The case upgrade shouldn't be that much bigger. My last gen card is 330mm by 170mm which is bigger than a 4090 I believe. If he's small form factor either he has to buy watercooled or buy a 70 series. Maybe a zotac 3080 makes a 2 fan?
@@uforiia My 2080 Ti Strix is 305 mm long, and 130 mm tall. I can go taller, but I can't go more than 10 mm longer (if that), as my case has an air guide for the drives. So, I actually don't have the room to upgrade to a 4090, 3090, or even a non-founders 4080. And it's a full-ATX case.
I managed to stick Asus Tuf 4090 into mATX case Thermaltake VT20
Thank you for your great work and sharing your thoughts.
I buy a lot of electronics used, but not GPUs thanks to mining risk. Likely that seller that sold 47 was a miner.
I'm in line to get a 7900xtx. I really feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place with these prices and availability. A 7900xtx at MSRP in my country seems like the "best" option above midrange.
For me that’s the card I’ll upgrade to basically same performance on warzone2 as 4090 that game loves AMD because of the new engine
Get that shit!!
Bro my 3060ti plays games at 4k just fine.
Same here, got fed up with Nvidia cards and bought the 7900XTX.
Nvidia cards have an absurd premium price in my country that buying a 40 series costs me an additional USD 400~USD 600 premium and going for a high end 30 series is only cheaper for USD 30 (if you're lucky) to a good USD 100~USD 200 more expensive than a 7900XTX at MSRP.
Going for a 4090 just because the 4080 and the 30 series pricing makes no sense and you're still paying for Jenson's wardrobe of leather jackets so I just went and bought a 7900XTX reference card at MSRP instead.
Talk about actually saving more going with AMD new gen rather than going with Nvidia last gen.
Wow, just WOW. (Slow clap.)
@@singular9 If 15fps means just fine, sure
Right now for 1440p gaming as I mostly target mid-tier cards anyway I am going to get the Arc a770. Not a popular choice and I am typically on team red, but I want to see Intel succeed in bringing a third option to the graphics card market and hopefully help prices in a positive way. Not that Intel is know for positive trends in pricing, but I can hope with more competition that prices come down.
Intel's drivers are absolutely terrible at the moment, but hopefully they will get better over time, at least they hopefully won't be as bad as AMD's drivers 🤞
@@Doggo_Norse From videos i've watched, like Dawid, the cureent drivers seem pretty good. Most things worked just fine, only real problems he had were with janky modded old games
@@TroublesomeOwl also games that run on Unreal Engine (like fortnite) run terribly with AMD's drivers
My RX 5700 XT died and I got myself a Arc A770 8gb couple months ago and I dont recommend getting it. I even managed to get a stable 2.8 Ghz OC which is insane but the performance in a lot games is just not that good for example compared to the RX 5700 XT.
@@Doggo_Norse Intel makes big steps with every new driver release. Situation has changed a lot during the last two months. Most problems I encounter today are not even releated to gaming - for example video playback on UA-cam is sluggish sometimes and sometimes even like a slideshow. Hitting F5 fixes that problem until it shows up again, so it is not such a big issue. But I hope they fix it so I don´t ruin my F5 key. ;)
FPS under DX11 have also improved in many games. In other DXVK can help getting more FPS out of the ARC.
Give the Arc til spring and it will be a great mainstream platform.
The ARC 770 is a good card for the money today and it will be a real bargain if the bugs are ironed out. Payed 400 Euros for mine with 16 GB. That amount of memory in that price class is a statement and may force Nvidia and AMD to also pack some additional memory chips on their mainstream cards.
Hey Jay and friends, I don't know how much this may help.
I've been having all of the issues online with Best Buy specifically, but I walked into a store today, and they were able to order me an FE 4090.
The AIB models were out of stock, but if you are interested in a 4090, try visiting a store for a special order.
I have to resort to purchasing a 3060 ti seeing how expensive the other models are XD
I got a 3070ti when the prices were finally down at 875$ after tax AND shipping. That same card now is something like 930$ before tax and shipping. If you want to get a new gpu, honestly just wait a little longer at this point. Or go with something cheap like I did before. I got a cheap ass 1650 to hold myself off tell I could spend more.
Just got mine for 750, i am happy with that
I’ve been looking for a 12GB 3070ti, but haven’t been able to even find them in stock, much less at that price…😢