I'll be responding to specific arguments and comments on a stream tmr so if by this video's end you still disagree and want to have your point addressed, reply this comment.
Do you think that 1 finger sukuna from episode 2 beats Pre Rct Gojo? What would be the output on 1 Finger Malevolent Shrine? The thing is that Gojo still has Falling Blossom Emotion, so even Gojo would still take some damage, it depends on the strength on 1f Sukuna's Domain. I'm also not sure if Sukuna had Domain Amplification before meeting Kenjaku. Given that's who taught Jogo and Hanami about it. Plus, Sukuna knew he only had 10 seconds to fight Gojo, so he would've tried a lot more than just punching.
I just think gojo would be able to land a domani on sukuna's original body. He opened a domain when sukuna was busy healing his body so I dont understand why gojo wouldnt hit sukuna with a red, blue or purple to dmg to him before opening a domain. gojo is a fast thinker after all. gojo would be keeping his distance teleporting away. but even if sukuna knew about gojos abilitys, he still didnt know about unlimited hollow. and if there would be no mahoraga and megumi's soul to adept, I think he gets cought in gojos domain. and also, gojo would not just be there spaming more domains since he was trying something new every time. hes not just gonna go on and spam for no reason, he always used it bc he had something in mind.
@@Sinnarattygang He still lost convincingly, definitively and died while knowing every ability Chrollo would use. Still the biggest example of someone revealing all his cards and winning regardless.
I think Gege explains it pretty well at the beginning of jjk: "the winner of a battle of jujutsu isn't always the one with the strongest technique but the one who's more knowledgeable about jujutsu". I think Gojo is technically a stronger sorcerer (slightly better ct, slightly better rct, slightly better ct usage, better sure hit), but Sukuna has way more experience fighting strong sorcerers and knew literally everything about Gojo's ct, he was told beforehand how his ct and domain worked and how to counter them (gojo told him that his de doesn't affect you if you're touching him and that a previous 10S user managed to kill an infinity user). So basically Gojo was the strongest while Sukuna was the better socerer, he was better prepared and went in with a plan while Gojo kinda just threw himself there and improvised.
That and gojo fights with honor and skill and sukuna fights to survive and win. Still dont think heian form sukuna coming out on top without world slash.
its the age old battle of intelligence (sukuna) vs strength (gojo). strength will win in a straight foward fight 9/10 but intelligence can so easily tip the scales if said individual knows how to use and abuse it
@@ebola52I wouldn’t say that he was holding back on his purple usage. It was stated during the fight that if Gojo used purple a lot, mahoraga would adapt to it and make it almost impossible for him to win, since it was his win condition after the domain clash. That’s why he focuses on using red and blue as well as physical combat. If Mahoraga adapted to purple at the beginning, it would have been a matter of time for him to adapt to infinity and develop the world-cutting slash, and without an instant, fatal attack, Gojo wouldn’t have the tools necessary to come out on top. At least that’s my take after reading both Gojo’s and Sukuna’s strategies. Also, it didn’t look like Gojo was holding back at all
You honestly kinda spittin tho I guess it more so just goes to show more the sheer talent of gojo vs the hard work and efforts sukuna went through during the heian era
@@therealwhoever ah yes, the hard work and effort of being born with two extra limbs, an extra mouth, and the largest cursed energy reserves in the series. Truely the hardest worker of all. Its not like gojo learnt rct on the verge of death or anything like that lol.
@@memesix5440 wait whats that... is that... competition??? against gojo???? its not like sukuna grew up on the "Golden Age of Sorcery" yk, where yuta relative fighters were pretty common rather than something exceptional. Oh and not to mention that gojo has the most broken ct in the series, yk something kenjaku had to plan against several times because of how strong they are. Oh whats that, gojo had a ct manual to teach him the ins and outs of his technique??? even hollow purple was something he learned?? Oh whats that gojo has the six eyes, with someone as talented as gojo, being able to figure out your cursed technique from a single use of it, and cursed efficiency equal to or even better than sukuna, someone that kashimo called a god at.
@@1cicle. saying “yuta level fighters were common” is just headcannon. I’m sure there were a couple of them, but the current modern group has been the only group to ever bring Sukuna this close to death, especially given that Sukuna has never mentioned or seemed to remember literally ANYONE from the Hein era like he has Gojo. Kashimo the bum was disposed off in literally 2 panels when Sukuna gained his old form, it’s really not a flex to say that, especially since we know Gojo is the strongest opponent Sukuna has ever faced, meaning no one in Sukunas past ever came close to matching Gojo lol. I never said Gojo was a %100 percent hard worker, but it’s so goofy seeing Sukuna glazers call Gojo “talent” and Sukuna “hard work”, when Sukuna is born with a body PERFECT for jujutsu sorcery, the largest cursed energy reserves, AND arguably the strongest domain. We literally see Gojo perfect and train his limitless after he awakens, and saying he had an instruction manual means literally nothing. It simply tells him what techniques he has and what they do, not how to use or master them, evidently shown when teen Gojo couldn’t use red even with shokos instructions and this supposed “instruction manual” lol. Both have immense talent and worked hard, it’s not that difficult to understand. Braindead Sukuna fans glazing him more than Kashimo does 😭😭💀
Gojo definitely has the best technique in the series, and this is coming from a Sukuna fan. It's been stated over and over that the Six Eyes + Limitless basically make you a god from birth. He was insanely talented.
Look, it was obvious that Gojo was not surviving this fight. He was either going to lose to Sukuna or take him down with him. Imagine Gojo did win and survived, there would be no tension for the final fight. Gojo is definitely stronger than Uraume and Kenjaku, so what point would there be in having Yuta and the others join the fight. It would be boring and an insult to the series. But just because it was obvious does not mean it wasn't entertaining. I enjoyed this fight the same way these two crazy bastards did: without a care about anything else. I didn't care about Gojover or Fraudkuna, i just saw two guys fighting each other and enjoying it.
Gojo vs Sukuna was great imo, I particularly don't like how Gojo died but the fight was JJK at its core. It's obvious Sukuna would win, but Gojo turned it from a fight to a game of 4D jujutsu chess where it wasn't just strength, but strategy and stamina that decided the winner. Gojo was taking advantage of his environment and Sukuna was learning and planning during the fight. It felt like an excellent justification of their titles, Sukuna rightly was the strongest sorcerer of all time and Gojo was not only the strongest of today, but he was strong because he was Gojo
@@rmelo2382 then why didn't he win before saying plot plot .. The writer is the one who created both of them so he has right to decide the victor not stupid fans like you plus it's crazy that you expected a self proclaimed honored one defeat the king of curses
@@rmelo2382 you're so close to being correct, but your bias is blinding you. Gojo was the stronger fighter, but Sukuna was the smarter fighter. That's why he ultimately won as the whole fight was Sukuna setting up progressively taller and taller hurdles to see how many Gojo could clear before he failed
I think it honestly speaks more to gojo’s power that the thousand year old boogey man of jujutsu saw he could learn something valuable from him, and that his meticulous nature and unparalleled knowledge of sorcery is what kept a few bad decisions from ending him.
@@southyonko6455 not really, he just had every advantage possible and the better tools to use. (Megumi Soul to tank UV, 10S, the world cutting slash to pierce inifnity, and complete knowdlege of everything gojo can do)
@@mihal1570 information gathering and planning ahead of time is part of being a smart fighter bud. Not Sukuna's fault those people couldn't gather any information on him. It's totally not like Yuji has every memory of Sukuna and his attacks and would definitely tell everyone right? 🤦
@@KonomidebanshouwashikisesurYeah it's so goofy how they spent half a chapter talking about Sukuna's domain being maybe an open barrier type, like was a special grade god stuck on Yuji's mouth for the whole 1 month or smth?
Something that's frustrating about Gojo vs Sukuna hypotheticals is we saw both of them do so much crazy, completely unprecedented shit in their one battle, if the fight went any other way, we'd likely continue to see crazy unprecedented shit, which makes any argument involving the two of them much less definitive. Hell, I'd argue that if they were to have the same exact fight again, with the same intentions/plans going in, and none of the knowledge of their victory/defeat, you could very well see an entirely different fight, regardless of outcome.
@@Just_Red_ this is a good argument and I agree just bc since the both of them are so unbelievably close in power (gojo with more raw strength but sukuna with better sorcery skill/knowledge) that literally any change at all could tip the scales in one of their favors
You forget about Hollow Whicker Basket which the newest chapter basically confirms as another defense against Unlimited Void for Heian/True Form Sukuna that Meguna OBVIOUSLY couldn’t use
@@sarthakshrivastava6073 Yuji strikes the boundary between Sukuna and Megumi’s souls, which lowers Sukuna’s output, and the chapter explicitly states that keeping the hands together keeps the output up. So basically, Yuji hits Sukuna, Sukuna’s output drops, HWB needs a certain level CE Output to be be maintained, thus Sukuna’s concern that HWB will fall because of Yuji. Let’s not forget that he was using the same tactic earlier in the showdown when his overall control over Megumi’s body was better when he was fighting Yuji and Yuta in Yuta’s domain and Sukuna showed no concern of it breaking back then, only if or when the two targeted the hand sign, and Sukuna himself broke the hand sign to fire off a powered up Dismantle. So against Gojo, who CAN’T strike the boundary between Souls like Yuji can, while also being in complete control of Megumi’s body or just if he was in his original Heian Era body, he wouldn’t have to worry about the HWB breaking so long as the hand signs aren’t broken
@@wizardwolf1020 sukuna won't hold out against gojo with just 2 arms for long let alone defeat him.(which is his win condition) Here's the yap:☺ sukuna couldn't recover himself from yuji's special strike with his current rct output as soul requires (i don't remember it was more output or what) so he said he'll take HWB, its not that soul barrier one was damaging his output to such a low level otherwise rct would be off limits too. its sukuna would keep getting hit to the point he either loses his arms or gets beaten up to the point he can't maintain the sign no more. it doesn't mean that yuji will shatter hollow wicker basket literally. yuji can also only do this against sukuna Sukuna's HWB is special he supplements output by maintaining sign hence his HWB won't be overpowered by a domain like gojo's simple domain was getting though this case could be different considering gojo's domain is as refined as sukuna but i'm not gay gay so i don't know. so lets say it won't but the thing is sukuna is not up against yuji and yuta, he's against gojo. gojo had an upper hand on meguna easily without using red or blue externally(we see a few panels in which gojo is in a great advantage) hollow wicker basket 2 of sukuna's arms are gone, sukuna won't be holding for long even in his better body. then comes gojo's techniques extensively used, gojo has full leeway on this as sukuna will take quite a bit of damage with no DA. even if sukuna had full four arms (he stops the signs and uses the normal one) he could match up to gojo easily and equal the fight but the situation changes when gojo uses his techniques more often, tbh gojo's techniques is the only thing that can make gojo get the upper hand in this scenario as gojo can use his technique more and more till he gets the upper hand, it might be draining output a lot but if his full win as sukuna will have no way left once UV lands on him.
@@sarthakshrivastava6073 Sukuna as Meguna was still able to hold out till both Domains Collapsed. True form would never be in that situation because it’s apparent that his true form is physically superior to Meguna when looking at Kashimo as his brain made no recovery and while Meguna was still slightly damaged, it was pretty negligible so the difference in performance was very apparent as True Form Sukuna completely overpowered Kashimo so he would perform better physically against Gojo
@@wizardwolf1020 to counter this gojo can use his techniques extensively like firing them more. in the domain battle the difference was huge, sukuna was barely managing to hold out for 3 min and he was fully on the defense too as he had no reason to attack(keep in mind he still got a lethal wound), here too he has no reason to go full aggressive but the fight from gojo's side will change he has to get more aggressive and get better to win if he manages to do this he wins and if he doesn't he loses. i never argued whether the siyuation goes to this point just said what i had to say about the HWB statement
@@ReynardNathaniel along with the comment right under yours, I’m pretty sure Sukuna himself says “might as well upgrade my arsenal” or something along those lines when adapting with maho. I could be weong
@@ReynardNathanielwell it’s never explicitly stated like just flat out said but it’s the implication that he not only focused on using ten shadows as a way to beat Gojo without showing all his cards but also to grow his own strength. However I could be wrong about it not being flat out said so if anyone can fine a quote that’d be cool.
@@franktapueluelu136Gojo said “he couldn’t give it his all” which is a big difference than not taking the fight seriously. I find it hard to believe someone like Sukuna would allow himself to get dragged around and almost die multiple times just to “improve” his arsenal. Gojo’s comments were meant to emphasize how broken Infinity is. Sukuna wasn’t holding back his arsenal by choice. Even the fire arrow didn’t meet the condition to use according to Sukuna himself. And to add on Gojo himself doesn’t know everything about Sukuna’s abilities like Sukuna does, hence why he smiled after Sukuna explained how he managed to pull the win. Gojo thought he didn’t reach Sukuna in the airport, but Sukuna refutes him immediately. And Gojo dies with a smile. Both Gojo and Sukuna are equals imo. A fight with no prep time and other variables at play could go either way between them. But Sukuna needed to prepare perfectly for Gojo. His opponent wasn’t just Gojo, but the entire Jujutsu High.
One thing I’d like to mention in Gojo’s favor is his domain hand sign. Unlike literally everybody else (besides current vow merchant sukuna) for his DE he only takes one hand and has been shown not needing to put his DE signs in front of his chest unlike everybody else. This is a huge advantage against fighters with only 2 handed domains, as if he can grapple and restrict the movement or destroy one hand, he could open his domain faster which is a insta win. I was honestly disappointed that this wasn’t brought up more in the Shinjuku fight cause it’s a major plot device that is really op in verse
his crafty domain hand sign would not matter if Sukuna has his 4 arms and the fact that Sukuna was caught only once against an opponent who has such an easy hand sign is just more credence to him being the strongest.
@@adarshvardhan6819Honestly I was talking about anyone with 2 hands and hoping people would know it was kinda implied, but ye, it probably wouldn’t be a problem for heian Sukuna Also that’s what I meant by it not being utilized properly against Sukuna and wish we could see more of its advantage, most of the time they just kinda went in over and over again
I get this but if it was so easy then he would have done it against meguna. Gojo had the upper hand in combat but not enough to hold up one of sukuna hand while he does his sign
Yeah him being the only one with a one handed natural hand sign is really cool, and makes him super unique Unfortunately king of vows kinda made it seem like u can just switch the hand sign as we don’t know what he exchanged to use that hand sign In my opinion he lost use of the WCS I mean even after getting all arms he doesn’t use it
You do a really great job demonstrating points without being insanely biased. Gojo is so cocky he revealed his hands to Yuji (and Sukuna) throughout the series without any regard on the future impact. Maybe he never thought it would get him? But knowledge is power and Sukuna is clearly a master of jujutsu in a different league than anyone else. His knowledge of binding vows, while a pain in the ass plot point sometimes is another demonstration of that. Makes you wonder how far characters could go if Sukuna was willing to show them how to manipulate and play the system like he does. Imagine Gojo or Yuta as a cursed object that can live for thousands of years and then come back with knowledge that no one can remember because it was so long ago, or a different time entirely. Fun to think about. Great video!
even if Gojo didn't show it to Yuji. Sukuna will eventually take megumi's body anyway which mean he will learn abt it from megu's memory. plus, kenjaku is certainly has info abt all of Gojo's kit. and I do agree with you regarding BV. imagine Gojo make BV to make his DE an open domain. I mean Gojo's talent is more or less equal to sukuna anyway.
@@ReynardNathaniel the open domain is not the result of a BV. I see a lot of people confusing this about Sukuna's domain so here's a short explanation : Sukuna's open barrier domain is purely skill based, the only BV he applies to his domain is that of providing an escape route (open barrier) in return for a 200m domain radius. The extended radius is the BV and not the open barrier.
Gojo knew about the open barrier,he just didn't know how they'd react. The fight would still go the same way. Malevolent shrine will always win against UV
People also forget True Form Sukuna is faster, stronger, & more durable than Meguna/Yujikuna since total stats are physical body + CE output + CE reinforcement True Form Sukuna being much more impressive physically than Yuji & Megumi’s bodies would be extremely helpful in physical combat within the domains
my guy, there was no statement about him having an increased stat boost after reincarnating to his original body and it only healed his body. each form of sukuna has the same stats overall, the fighting style is the only thing that changes on all of them.
@@JMaikiJ JJK 255 Gojo literally speaks to Miguel about how Miguel’s own athleticism makes him such aa threat as well as his reinforcement It’s also highlighted how Yuta’s needs to make up for his weak body with insane reinforcement + how Yuji is the opposite of him in that regard Natural athleticism + Total CE + CE output + CE reinforcement all are factors in speed, strength, & durability in JJK Yuji with Yuta’s reinforcement would be physically more capable than Yuta
Gojo isn't the MC so he wouldn't get the plot armor necessary to out do sukuna. Gojo is a side character and NOT the protagonist which tells us that Yuji is the Protagonist while Sukuna is the anatoganist. It's pretty obvious who gege wanted to win here. Side character aren't suppose to defeat the anatoganist otherwise that would make the MC irrelevant. Sometimes you gotta realize that gege just had to pull some bs out of nowhere Just like the WCS, how does sukuna know what space and time is? How does sukuna know the physics properties of space? I get that it's a Fictional story and it meant to not be realistic but still, WCS was just a plot device to get rid of gojo when authors kill someone off screen it basically means they didn't want to do any explainations to show why such and such lost. Gojo had to lose so the MC could get his victory. If gojo had won than it would've made everyone else redundant. Sukuna fans gotta understand it not from a battle perspective but a plot and story perspective. Also Once sukuna won. he should've killed EVERYONE and the story ends there but you already know that would've been the realistic scenario but the author didnt want to write that, so he had to drag out the fight and make headlines on why sukuna was weak blah blah he was holding back. He was having fun while hating(yuij) on everyone. bs bs. Conclusion: Gojo should have won from a logical perspective but from a plot and storywise gojo should lose because he wasnt the protagonist. Gojo beats sukuna PERIOD.
21:24 No it's weird, it's really what everything keeps pointing to. Without Mahoraga, Sukuna takes off a huge load off of his shoulders (people keep talking about Mahoraga, like Sukuna didn't have to actively babysit him and feed him throughout the whole fight while risking more damage than needed to actually win the fight). Even then, Mahoraga was not Sukuna's only option to build the world cutting slash. He implies that coming up with a model by himself is possible, but would be super tedious as he'd have to manually test every possible sets of conditions to see what cuts through infinity (Mahoraga was a calcultor, he can do the complexe math by himself which would take days to do rigorously, or use his quantum computer to do it in 20 min).
Exactly. And people forget Sukuna has Domain Amplification as well... you know, THE most effective counter to Infinity after Domain Expansion? 🤷 And both him and Gojo explain over and over and over again that Sukuna used Mahoraga just to learn a new technique for shits and giggles, and that he absolutely did not need the motherfucker if he just went with the standard bread and butter. What's tedious is discussing with Gojo fans, really
To be fair, thats the point of gojos ability, its overwhelming and requires alot to get through it, once you do youll meet a man whos skill is only equal to one (sukuna) its up to you if you want to believe that he would of figured it out to beat gojo and im not saying sukuna cant figure it out, im just saying at what cost? you had mentioned that it'd be a rigorous process for him and after seeing his true skillset for the past year its safe to say he never had something that could truly combat the infinity. with that in mind if we look back at the fight gojo was recovering and sukuna was literally on his last leg when with the nick of time he managed to figure him out and unleashed the slash. So even for someone as smart as Sukuna he got saved by the bell by SOMETHING else that gave him the blueprint for the win, if that doesnt scream plot armor idk what does lol (which is obvious because the story has to continue but jus had to mention) i just personally dont believe any version of Sukuna (besides wcs sukuna) could fight gojo by himself and either last long enough to figure him out or beat him without any PRIOR knowledge of gojos skills.
@@2pro4username9 The world cutting slash was not a win cond, the domain expansion was. WCS was what he was after going into the fight, and it's the reason why he performed as badly as he did (it came back and bite him, but he still go out with his life and a little worse WCS by the end of it). Sukuna's open barrier domain trivializes the whole fight, and with no Mahoraga to babysit, he can use domain amplification to his heart content while destroying Gojo's barrier again and again and again, suffering little to no damage himself. Taking Mahoraga out of the fight, it becomes an endurance battle and Sukuna has no problem with that (he could've launched a cleave at the interior of the barrier when Gojo flipped the conditions and destroy it in one hit, but never did because he wanted to adapt).
@@charnalk5572 Even with what your saying about the domain expansion if Gojo had any idea of what he was truly fighting there's no doubt that it would of changed the fight for him too. i think the story blatantly makes it clear ( by getting his and everyone else perspective throughout the fight) that Gojo was fighting someone with a tool set that was unknown of until that point. As dangerous as sukuna was, maharaga was an essential element to the fight and so was megumi. without these two elements the fight changes, now taking away sukunas understanding of gojos arsenal that too changes the game as to even be able to play risky in a tight fight like that, means you have some sort of understanding of what your opponent could do or your buying some time, which in this scenario he wouldnt want to as he wouldnt have maharaga Gojo would not only know of his open barrier domain but could simply rct inside of it instead of continuously opening his own DE. We all saw even with sukunas domain amp gojo was still beating sukuna within his own domain this becomes a battle of endurance in which the six eyes would balance out the troubles of sukunas vast CE i dont doubt that with gojos nature he would try a DE of his own but hes no fool to try and outclass sukuna in a realm he doesn't compete in. But mind you if gojo even catches him once with his DE its safe to call it ggs as there wouldnt be no other soul to take in the damage anymore which is why sukuna seemed to be taking little to no damage in the og fight
Something sukuna fans forget is that gojo was aware of the threat of mahoraga and had to fight knowing he was on a time limit, without mahoraga he would fight differently which the video doesn’t address.
I just genuinely see no scenario where Gojo does to full form Sukuna, what he did to Megkuna in hand to hand. As highlighted in the video, Megkuna was taking more risks than he had to so Mahoraga would adapt. He was still losing their h2h exchanges regardless, but not by any extremely significant amount. Give Sukuna the body he's used to, and his poor performance ceases. It would be like taking Gojo's Six Eyes from him and expecting him to be as effecient with his Cursed Energy as he was before. He would obviously still have insane control, because he's Gojo, but not even close to the original level he had.
I genuinely think alot of people undersell just how much of an advantage it is for sukuna to have his original body. I genuinely believe domain amp plus original body equals a dead gojo with ease, whether sukuna has knowledge of gojos arsenal or not. When I read the fight I realised that all the raw hand to hand exchanges were won by gojo simply because gojo can use CT and sukuna can't. He was almost evenly matched. Idk for me personally 4 arm sukuna, heian era or not, completely takes the fight.
@@notdoorianyea bro this is what I say but all the Gojo glazers say “how can Sukuna get past infinity without mahoraga? He needed mahoraga to win” like bruh
16:14 Sukuna didn’t need to cut off his sure hit to end IV. He did it so that it would take longer to break IV so maho can adapt. The binding vow was that sukuna will cut off his sure hit and in exchange his sure hit will do more damage on the outer shell. Gojo notes that sukuna took the riskier option cause he could’ve broken the barrier from the inside. So sukuna not knowing about iv won’t hinder him
@@Sakura_is_herHe literally doesn't debunk it. All he says was that " Sukuna somehow changed the conditions of his domain. " Lmao. The narrator states that a binding vow was used so that Sukuna could turn off his sure hit and strengthen the barrier on the outside. Idk what you're talking about lol.
@@XKIRA376that's guy doesn't know what happened talking about. Hes saying Sukuna fans ignore panels then just blatantly didn't even read when the narrator says he used a BV to turn off his sure hit lol.
This argument has so many loopholes. For instance it wouldn't make any sense for sukuna to take a gamble with the binding vow he made with itadori in order to obtain megumi's body. If he knew that his reincarnated version with the extra limbs and weapons were stronger than gojo then why would he not go for that?? Why would he literally gamble with a binding vow if there were other ways to defeat gojo???
Because as was stated he was saving that form to fight all the other sorcerers. Mahoraga was a way for sukuna to beat gojo without having to use his form which he had been hiding because he knew that it would be more beneficial. Gojo stating that sukuna without the 10s and in his base form would have most likely beat him is also something all of you ignore
I don't understand why there's debate about this. The author of the manga created a character who was so overpowered he needed asspulls and poor writing to kill him off. There's nothing more to it. Yes, in the story Sukuna is stronger, but that doesn't mean it's good writing.
Sukuna literally outsmarted gojo he didn’t do an “ass pull” he can replicate any technique after seeing it once. He used mahoraga too adapt too limitless and create a slash that could hurt gojo he then could copy that technique after seeing mahoraga use it it wasn’t an asspull these facts have been around since day 1
@@cheber817it’s an asspull because it was his last move before losing. If true form Sukuna would have a chance against Gojo, the author would have written it that way. He doesn’t tho, he loses 9/10 times against Gojo. Imagine you are losing and it’s basically you’re last minute before you are getting finished. Exactly now he pulls of the world cutting slash that immediately ends Gojo. If someone in Real life gets dominated in 5 rounds MMA but pulls of a last minute knockout it’s called being lucky. Sukuna was lucky because that’s his plot armour so the story can continue. Also, 15 Sukuna with kenny and Uraume would lose immediately to Gojo. To this day no one has an answer why Gojo didn’t fight them right there and ended them. The answer is because the series would end in both ways. Sukuna had to win, the fight was poorly written. Either make Sukuna from the beginning superior so Gojo needs actually help from his students and then sacrifices himself to save someone instead of making him almost win and then lose out of nowhere off screen.
While it is true that sakuna is overall the "strongest sorcerer" I actually think overall Gojo's kit is much scarier to face off against than sakunas Infinity alone carries so hard! Not to even mention infinite void. As always great video Ronin
which is why sukuna's strategy isn't to take gojo's abilities head on but to subvert them using the rules of jujutsu (domain amplication, domain expansion, maho adapting, etc.), shows how tactics beats power
Which is why Gojo is one of the few JJK characters to win cross-series fights, because his techniques are simply so much harder to defeat without Jujutsu rules at play. Without Domain Amplification and Domain Expansion, there's just very little that you can to do take down Gojo's Infinity.
@@globalpotaoto6681you forgot the more important part: they could do dimensional attack. Actually, characters don't have to be planetary. They just need similar hax. Earlier weaker version of Black Clover Yami who just unlocked his dimensional slash can easily defeat Gojo without being planetary or higher. Also even planetry or higher cannot defeat Gojo without space/dimensional attacks. Might guy in his ultimate form could be planetary but will do next to nothing. Speed means nothing if they cannot break thru infinity. A slow ass punch but one that can break thru infinity is much better.
“Throughout heaven and earth, he alone, is Go/jo a fraud.” “Throughout heian era and earth, he alone, is THE fraud who can’t stop beefing with a 15 year old.”
I was once arguing with someone about why Sukuna was stronger than Gojo (this was relatively recently, so we had all major relevant info), and he said that Sukuna was a fraud due to him only beating Gojo due to his lucky genetics, which gave him 4 arms, which is ironic, considering I can easily say the same thing (to an even greater extent) about the six eyes Edit: i see a lot of people mentioning the statement about 4 arms being the greatest advantage a sorcerer can have. This is true, but i think the six eyes are more of a prerequisite to use the limitless rather than a straight up advantage. Without the six eyes, the limitless is too unstable to use, hence why Yuta never copied it, since it wouldn't work without the six eyes. for most techniques, i'd argue that 4 arms is more advantageous, but for the limitless specifically, the six eyes are a bigger factor
Sukuna's genetics are so much worse than Gojo's lmao. Sukuna gets the sushi making technique + 4 arms while Gojo gets the craziest most op CT + Six Eyes which basically means infinite CE and RCT. And yet Sukuna's wincon in his original form is his better understanding of jujutsu aka borderless DE.
@@ramnoon6447Sukuna's body was literally BUILT for sorcerery the narrator says as much. He has a body that gives him the ultimate advantage in a fight, arms to cast, an extra mouth to chant without obstruction. It's not just shown, the narrator goes into depth of how each part of Sukuna's body made him the strongest of the Heian era. Did you read the manga??
I love that you don't just make a video just to put it out there to get paid. Thank you for making meaningful content sir. A lot of anime youtubers aren't doing that. Really, thank you.
@@thumbsup6042 Sukuna also said that he MIGHT lose against mahoraga if he had 3 fingers. Meaning that Sukuna at 3 fingers would still most probably win. And since Megumi fought both of them its not like its that crazy considering his intelligence
@@gbemade fr people forget that the author is the one who makes both the narrator and the characters. They often make it clear if the character is ignorant of the situation or wrong
@@shutup3338Maki could keep up with Sukuna. So, Toji would be around 5-6 fingers. Kusakabe was wrong too. When he said that “Gojo won” and still was a contemplative comment. Megumi was wrong.
I think the fingers logarithmically increase Sukuna’s CE. His mastery of sorcery remains the same, but his output increases because he has more to output. Yes, I know your CE level doesn't equate to your output or efficiency, but surely there is a limit on how much you can output if you simply lack the CE. For example, pre-awakened Maki has much less CE than Yuta, and she can't simply make up for that gap by increasing her output.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 i think “logarithmically” is the wrong word to use😂😂 the rate at which log functions increase over time decreases. i think the word you mean is “exponentially”😂😂😂
@@dilfhunter5645 I mean, yeah, the gap between a 15-finger Sukuna and a 20-finger Sukuna isn't as vast as the gap between a one-finger and three-finger Sukuna.
so, Sukuna wins. I love how everyone thinks the statement by afterlife Gojo is invalid. When You explain it like this. Gojo is superman and Sukuna is Batman superior planning and knowledge makes Sukuna the victor.
@@Tokyoowastaken the deciding factor was personality. Gojo wanted an amazing fight sakuna wanted revenge. So sakuna made sure he was overly prepared. Gojo came in with no knowledge and still waxed his shit near death several times. Plus, Gojo believes in his students so even if he lost, he knew they win. Either way it was up for sakuna because in the end, he loses to a teen with barely basic knowledge of something sakuna mastered his entire life. But in my humble opinion this was one of the greatest fights in shonen history.
It depends on which form he is in Megkuna will always win since it’s canon Heian era sukuna loses 80% of the time same with yujikuna Current sukuna with all of his output regained loses 60% of the time either way gojo would win against any other form of sukuna high/ extreme dif but in the end sukuna is still the victor
@@Ghostxczn you really think gojo did nothing those whole two months before the fight? no training at all? because he certainly gained a few pounds of muscle in between that time, if we look at his character design.
Idk why people say sakuna was carried by maharaga when in megumi's body he only got hit with infinity because he was focusing on maharaga, and if he was fully incarnate he'd of just had an easier time beating gojo. If anything worrying about maharaga made the fight harder for sakuna because otherwise he'd of won after gojo ran out of domain juice
@@aaronmathew2477 still hardly any difference than gojo being saved by limitless. Sakuna earned maharaga fair and square, at that point it was just another tool for him to use just like Shrine so acting like that makes him weak (idk if that's what you're saying, im just sayin that in a general sense) is still kind of brain dead
@@ira-jay”Saved by limitless”😂 Ten Shadows wasn’t even Sukuna’s innate technique - it is not his technique. Not to mention he used Megumi’s soul a few times to tank unlimited void’s effects so he didn’t have to deal with it directly. 4 armed Sukuna by himself would have no way to harm Gojo with his CT if he had to use Domain Amplification as the only way to bypass the Infinity, which was Gojo’s INNATE technique.
There's a single moment, and a bit of knowledge, that potentially sets Gojo up for a win against Heian era Sukuna. Sukuna knows from information on Gojo's technique that he can't be hit by Gojo's sure-hit inside his domain if they're making physical contact. It's stated that "Using a binding vow, Sukuna managed to further increase the power of his domain outside Gojo's domain by removing his sure-hit guarantee inside the domain. While, simultaneously keeping himself safe from Infinite Void by touching Gojo directly." Sukuna **needed** to make a binding vow in order to make that work, because Gojo's domain was purposefully strengthened on the outside. If Sukuna doesn't have this knowledge then he's stuck in a battle of pure hands. His four arms would certainly help, but we need to remember how goddamn effective Gojo's sure-hit is. We already know that Gojo was fast enough with Meguna to consistently break his domain by damaging Sukuna before his own domain broke. As Gojo said, UV is a multitude times better as a cursed technique sure-hit than dismantle and cleave are. If Sukuna falters even once on this even playing field, then the fight is over. Done. Just like that. Given that Gojo can heal through MS with relative ease, Sukuna would have to surely beat him hand to hand in multiple domain clashes without being able to break it from outside.
No, gojo literally remarks immediately after sukuna does this, how he took the most risky move. LITERALLY READ, sukuna could have have strengthened his barriers sure hit on the inside since it was weak to attacks on the inside. Instead he turns off his sure hit on the inside to attack specifically stronger part of the barrier (outside). He does this to adapt using mahoraga, this is literally common sense.
@@Six-bw3irThat wouldn't have worked since both their sure-hits would still overlap each other, unless Sukuna damaged Gojo so he couldn't keep his domain open
@@IncognitoMode-xf1reIt wouldn't. This is something most people miss. Malevolent shrine was destroying UV from outside the entire time. In other words, it was evenly matched with UV while being a bigger domain. If he had shrunk it to the same size as UV, he could've overwhelm it in terms of quality. Gojo himself confirmed that the smaller the domain is, better the quality.
@@Rinnegan_user756 What are you talking about, the slashes of sukunas reached beyond gojos outside barrier because MS is a open barrier domain Within the domain both are equal narrator states this While yes you're true that if Sukuna shrunk the range of MS it would be stronger, but only from the outside, not within because once again narrator states their domains are equal
The whole "Sukuna needed daddy Rahga" doesn't make sense, he literally says Mahoragha was a simple tool, he only needed a way to deal with limitless himself and Mahoragha was the tool to teach him, and Gojo says in chapter 236 go south that he likely was never going to win even if Sukuna didn't have Megumi's ten shadows. And Sukuna's ice partner also confirms to Hakari that Sukuna, even in the battle with Gojo, has yet to go all out, Sukuna not only had his domain, domain amplification, but also I'm sure he had all the conditions to use furnace?? Ten Shadows and Mahoragha were not needed and its basically told to us like 10 times in 5 different ways. Mahoragha was a simple tool and a stepping stone to better his techniques and deal with any Six eyes and Limitless user if he ever comes across one again.
not to really argue against you or anything but you cant take sukuna or uraume at their words. Like when sukuna talks about how mahoraga is "simply a tool" he's downplaying the importance of mahoraga because he downplays everything, its what he does. Uraume is similar, you cant trust the d1 glazer when they're talking about someone that they view as something akin to a god, its just supremely biased and especially in heated combat its very clear that its 50% taunting to throw off hakari and 50% genuinely believing that sukuna is god on earth.
@@youtubeuserkine This is a good point, I got use to taking them at their word because GeGe normally leaks info through characters as confirmations especially at this point in the story, forgetting he also is giving biased dialog through their personality, the other confirmations come from Gojo though. Him saying "I don't think I would have won, even if he didn't have megumis ten shadows" is all the proof I needed that Sukuna wasn't giving it his all.
@@yoimiya_ei Key word "help" not need, I can use a rock to nail something into wood instead of a hammer, but I coul also use a nail gun. You're forgetting he had other options, and gojo himself said even if he didn't have him. He still would have lost. Furnace, domain amplification, eventually domain Expansion from a different part of his brain since he couldn't expand it the normal way, he simply wanted a was to deal with Limitless, and if he ever comes back, even 1000 years later with a new 6 eyes Limitless user, he'd have a way to deal with him. He only used Maho for that reason.
16:05 In theory Sukuna SHOULD be able to cast Hollow Wicker Basket (especially while having 4 arms) before turning off his Sure Hit effect to remain safe. (I know this may sound crazy, but remember, we literally seen him activate and use Domain Amplification while his domain was active. And that is also essentially a barrier technique)
I just wanna say against meguna mahoragas adaptations are random. So if sukuna got a different second adaptation he’d lose. Vise versa if he got the slash as his first adaptation he’d win.
They aren’t random it’s gradual mahoraga literally just throws itself at the whatever it is enough times till it adapts to the attack it’s been hit with multiple times. God that was a mouthful 😂
@@cinderanimations9935It can be. But Maho using a slash attack was not random at all, he is Sukuna's shadow, and Sukuna wanted an adaptation he could use.
@@Aki...544 it sounds like it was completely random “I waited for it to discover another counter 1 I could use” if he could control how maho adapts he would’ve gotten the wcs with the first adaptation.
I think the main issue most people have with understanding how sukuna wins is that gojo on paper just has stronger traits through his cursed technique but the whole idea is that true form sukuna as a whole verbatim from kashimo has the most ideal functions that a sorcerer can have point blank period. He can trap gojos arms in scuffles and fight like nothings changed with his other two. He can enchant and given his cursed tools if he beats gojo in any amount of domain clashes the fight becomes even more harder with a literal lightning raining down on him while he has to heal from shrine slashes. Meguna was trying to beat the limitless technique as a whole whole true form is simply trying to kill gojo without second thought.
The main issue is Gojo losing, whatever path Sukuna chooses to beat Gojo, Gojo fans would still be pissed off. The fact that the community needs this kind of video to understand that Sukuna will beat Gojo no matter what while GOJO HIMSELF already stated it in the manga is kinda telling.
i agree with alot of what u said… but one thing i think is important is gojo only has to damage sukuna enough once inside a domain clash (thus landing infinite void) while sukuna can break gojo’s domain multiple times and hit him with slashes from MS. Hence, I think gojo’s domain sure hit is far more potent than Sukunas and could be much more consequential in a fight involving domain clashes. Basically, Gojo would only need to win inside a domain clash once to win the fight as a whole and sukuna would need to outlast or win all of them. (This refers to sukuna without mahoraga).
People ignore the fact that Sukuna (Meguna)had to play defensive in terms of h2h ,switch techniques, understand mahoraga model all fir sake of adaptation for WCS..if he went full offensive in fight..it would hinder mahoraga's adaptation... And still we got to see potential of 10S ..he literally ysed it like Hacker, Megumi wasn't able to use it at this extent -like Sukuna tried adapting without summoning maho (wheel over his head) ,Agito ,almost every shikigami was boosted, sukuna emerging out of shadows in one of panels ,him using shikigami abilities like piercing ,etc.
17:11 WOOOOHHHHH, ALWAYS HAD MY STOCKS ON HEIAN SUKUNA OVER FINAL GOJO. The vid also doesn't say that "words, gestures, dance, music, if left nothing out, boosts a technique to 120%", heian Sukuna can do half of these for free so it's likely he can boost his domain to 110%, subtracting 18 seconds for Sukuna's domain to break Gojo's. Plus really Heian Sukuna could have just done hollow wicker basket in ch 230, preventing the brain damage from gojo's domain, allowing sukuna to continue using domain while Gojo can't anymore, technically Meguna could do this too, though unlike Heian, he can't fight so he needs mahoraga breaks his domain. Regardless i guess he just didn't do this in the main series because he underestimated UV. This method also really wouldn't work if Gojo just knew to use shrunken domain from the start of the fight.
If they were to rematch Gojo would win (Extreme diff ofc) Lets first discuss their respective "Inventories": True Form Sukuna: - Cleave - Dismantle - Dismantle net - WCS (World cutting slash) - Kamino - Domain Expansion (MS) - Change barrier conditions - Domain Amplification - Hollow Whicker Basket - Black Flash Gojo: - Blue - Blue orbs - Teleportation - Maximum Output Blue - Red - Hollow Purple - Unlimited Hollow Purple - Domain Expansion (UV) - Change barrier condition - Make his barrrier smaller - Simple Domain - Falling Blossom Emotion - Black Flash Good now lets move on to their limitations and restrictions Limitations: - Sukuna: 1) He was adapting at times meaning he couldn't fight back because he was using Mahoragas wheel and can't use it the same time as DA 2) He didn't have his 4arms and 2 mouths dince he was fighting in megumi a vessel more suited to take down Gojo 3) This time Sukuna doesn't have the 10S (No Agito as ahealing factor and distraction and more imporantley NO mahoraga for the sake of adaptation aka no 3vs1 and 2vs1) - Gojo 1) Gojos Was seen holding back for the sake of Megumi once UV hit and he pierced his torso instead of decapitating him whilst saying: " I will bring you CLOSER TO DEATH than Yuji at the detention center" 2) After their Domain clashes Gojo was holding back attacks becauause of Mahoragas adaptation "He is only using lapse for the adaptations sake" meaning he was limited in that regard aswell Now that we established what their previous limitations were. What really happened in the clashes? Well: Clash 1) Gojo and Sukuna open their domains and since both are equally strong due to the factors discussed, the surehits cancel each other out. We also learn that if one of the two suffers fatal damage, their domain will break and the other person's surehit will land immediately. Since Sukuna's domain has a wider range than Gojo's, she was able to destroy the barrier of Gojo's domain from the outside (the domain barrier is weak from the outside), thus Gojo's domain is broken He countered by using Two Simple Domains and while he was healing himself he healed his burnt out technique so he managed to land a red and escape the effective range. Chapter reference: 225 - 226 Clash 2) Sukuna's domain is still on from the last clash, but Gojo opens a new one and switches the domain conditions. The domain barrier is now weak from the inside and strong from the outside. Sukuna ties this up by expanding the effective range of his domain and making a binding vow around it Surehit to eliminate his domain but the attacks from outside are stronger. Since Sukuna has sacrificed his Surehit, UV takes over s Surehit to avoid certain death, Sukuna goes back and forth with Gojo (Everyone who touches Gojo during the expansion is safe) - (Fun fact Heianera Sukuna wouldn't have known that because he only saw it when he was in Yuji and led Gojo against Jogo DE clash) So the domain from outside breaks and Sukuna wins again Chapter Reference: 227 Clash 3) Gojo reopens his domain and shrinks it to the size of a basketball (He learned this in the Prison Realm) They say with a shrunken DE the barrier outside is stronger. However, Sukuna counters by reducing the range of his DE to make the outside attacks stronger. We don't see what happens inside the DE but we see that both domains break. We then see that Sukuna did enough damage from the outside and Gojo added enough damage that Sukuna could no longer maintain his domain. We also learn that Gojo's shrunken domain can withstand 3min 11sec against Sukuan's slashes ditto: Gojo does enough damage in 3min and 11sec and Sukuna loses Chapter Reference: 227-228 Clash 4) Gojo and Sukuna reopen their domains Gojo closes his again and they fight in H2H - Gojo manages to add enough damage and Sukuna breaks the domain from the outside Chapter Reference: 229 Clash 5) Gojo and Sukuna both open their domains but this time Sukuna was 0.01 seconds too late because he still had to heal himself, 2 minutes and 40 seconds passed and Gojo managed to do enough damage within this time to cause Sukuna's domain to break. Gojo squeezes his heart and says he will bring closer to death so Yuji it was Sukuna counters with the appearance of Mahoraga who has adapted since Megumi's soul took up the process of UV in the first clashes (Heian kuna of course has neither Mahoraga nor Megumi's soul) Chapter Reference: 229 Great now that we have an in depth analasyis on what happened what would have went differently in their clashes If TF Sukuna and Gojo went at it? But before we talk about that lets take a little discourse and discuss Hollow Whicker Basket: HWB (Hollow Wicker Basket): The technique is called by a hand signal in which the user folds his fingers under each other and at the same time stretches his arms forward. As the name suggests, Hollow Wicker Basket takes the form of a spherical, woven, basket-like guard that surrounds the user. It neutralizes the barrier of a domain equipped with a cursed technique to nullify the guaranteed hit. However, it cannot neutralize cursed techniques itself, making it ineffective against incomplete or non-lethal domains HWB has been used by a total of two characters and a total of three times: Reggie Star against Megumi in chapter 171 - Unlucky as Megumi's domain is incomplete and HWB cannot cancel the surehit. Hajime Kashimo vs Hakari wanted to use it but didn't Ryomen Sukuna vs. Yuta in Chapter: 249 to neutralize his DE but he had to leave HWB on and use two arms and a mouth for it Ryomen Sukuna against Yuji in Chapter: 266 to prevent the surehit of his DE he also tells us here that HWB and SD might be overpowered and to compensate for this he constantly lifts the two hands together he doesn't say that Yuji's soul punches break it but that they can't be healed so of course they also bring down the output As soon as he can't keep the hands together anymore HWB is no longer there and luckily he was able to restore his Burned out CT in time to expand his domain. We have also seen that HWB is not effective against flucj techniques i.e. blue, red, purple, etc in the case of Satoru Gojo blue is an attractive mass which allows gojo to pull force full stuff or "pull" it away he also uses this in the fight against sukuna to throw him to the ground or throw him against the wall in the first H2H exchange. Before we talk about how the clashes would play out. What are their Wincons: - Sukuna: 1) DE: He can win via MS if Gojo overstrains himself >5 times and doesn't manage to land UV 2) If we include WCS its a wincon alltough Gojo can tp since Sukuna has to chant and point - Gojo 1) De: If Gojo gets UV off its game over for True Form Sukuna 2) Hollow Purple/Unlimited Hollow Purple: Is proving out fatal if Gojo deals enough damage before hand In conclusion to their wincons we can safely say: If Sukuna isn't able to win via DE clashes he loses the same goes vice versa however: If somehow they were to stalemate DEs and fight without DEs Gojo would Win in a mid-High diff manner. Ok now we pretty much established everything besides what would happen in that TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash: TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash: As established True Form Sukuna has no 10S and can focus 100% on fighting with double the amount of arms and a additional mouth for chants So what exactly would it boil down to I mean Gojo shrinks his barrier and they fight... Sukunas Goal is to stall 3minutes and Gojos is to deal enough damage in 3min meaning it would boil down to mainly a single factor: H2H combat H2H: In their previous H2H encounters we have seen Gojo be superior with (DA and without DA) whilst Gojo also 3cs1 ed a 12ft adapted Mahoraga, a distraction and healing factor called Agito and Sukuna anf was handling them (Tbf he did have a BF amp but its doesnt change the fact it was a 3vs1) and TF Sukzna had not really shown us good H2H feats either against the likes of Maki, Yuji, Yuta, Yuji, Kusakabe alltough he was in a weakened state lets not forget Gojo was aswell (His rct output was on the decline and he had 1 arm at one point) But here are the H2H stats (I didnt count all the hits in the 3vs1 for Gojo so Sukuna has an enormous advantage here: Sukuna: Attacks: 13 Blocks: 9 Dodges: 7 Connects: 1 Grapples: 1 Striking percentage: 7.6% Gojo: Attacks: 20 Blocks: 7 Dodges: 5 Connects: 4 Grapples: 3 Striking percentage: 20% In conclusion Gojo defense and offensepercentages were better "BuT Da WasN'T AlWAyS oN" yes but he nevertheless threw punches and Gojos defense was better also even if we exclude da Gojo leads the percdntages by 10% menaing there is no doubt about it also as I mentioned I didnt even count the punches for the 3vs1 if we were to include those then Maho only landed 1 attack on Gojo because it caught him offguarfd... Funfact Sukunas only landed attack was one that caught him offguard aswell TF Sukunas H2H stats against the shinjuku squad were pitiful but lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was in critical condition In conclusion Gojos H2H is just better even when 3 people were versing him Now we gathered all the info we need so what do I think would hapoen in their clashes, well thats simple: Gojo and Sukuna would fight and as the clashes go on the damage would eventually acummulate and Gojo woudl win via inflicting enough damage as he did in their real fight (So he wins by either dealing enough damage to the point sukua can't maintain his de anymore or until he gives himself that 0.01 sec advantage that could reoccur anytime. Looking at it mathematically Gojo has a higher chance of winning more times which is why the winner is: WINNER: SATORU GOJO (EXTREME DIFF)
16:13 sukuna didint need to turn off his sure hit. he could have broken it from inside of the domain, gojo says that himself in chapter 228(or at least gojo says he could have at least tried) and as for the purple yeah most likely if gojo doesn't go cannon way of throwing out purple at the start then sukuna wouldnt know about it
19:29 there is no evidence to support that Gojo is actually a better h2h combatant than Sukuna either. All the times they’ve had a h2h scenario Gojo had either used his CT(like him using blue to amp his physical capabilities) or just been amped by black flash and even then Gojo whole under the effects of black flash hasn’t shown much other than throwing Sukuna. so Sukuna without his true form would at the very least be equal to Gojo in h2h so if you were to add 4 hands which he obviously would be more comfortable with and him to have no Mahoraga then I’d say he’s definitely better in h2h
Another interesting thought is that if a true form sukuna (or just him from the heian era) has an easier time with breaking gojos domain, he would likely have an opportunity to heat up his furnace, and if he does, it is almost certainly going to kill gojo if used within his domain expansion.
@@luxowaty5858 not instantly, since he would temporarily suffer from technique burnout, and would take at least a short period of time to heal said burnout using RCT. Gojo has never been shown using a binding vow. (aside from perhaps revealing ones hand against jogo but that is one that many many characters have done) And binding vows i think is more to do with their characters and showing why sukuna is the strongest in history. Unlike gojo, he would have had far more difficult battles 1000 years ago, so he had to optimise his jujutsu via binding vows in order to become the strongest, wheras gojo has had no need for binding vows since he has had an easy time, through his brute strength and technique, in almost every encounter aside from toji, and now sukuna. Gojo verbatim says that his CT is better than sukunas, yet sukuna can keep up with him (even without the ten shadows, gojo literally states this)
@@upliftlizard1715 You said taat sukuns would have better time breaking Gojo's domain. If gojo was fighting heian sukuna with 4 arms etc he could just avoin domain battle so no burnout on his end. Binding vows were geges solutions to push story forward so we get actual mc fight sukuna. Hi didn't use Gojo's full arsenal and then staten that "Gojo gave his all". That's just bullshit writing. I would rather had Gojjo and Sukuna kill eachother and other sorcerers fight merged curse from kenny.
Sukuna's True Form vs Gojo is tricky only because we don't have enough knowledge to say that Gojo would lose even if Sukuna won every domain clash because Gojo survived Malevolent Shrine for minutes at a time twice so there's no reason to assume he would lose upon his domain collapsing the 3rd or 4th time, the question really lies in whether or not Gojo is able to keep Sukuna from opening his domain. If Malevolent Shrine isn't an option, even with World Cutting Slash Sukuna loses to Gojo because he will lose in close quarters and his one attack that can really damage Gojo requires charge up that means he'd never get to fire it off like how he couldn't use Furnace in the Manga fight. Sukuna still definitely has the advantage but it think that he wouldn't have as easy of a time as people tend to think.
Question, when we're comparing Heian Sukuna and Gojo, are we assuming Sukuna went through Shinjuku and attained World Cutting Dismantle or are we assuming this would be Sukuna without the prior Mahoraga adaption? If it's the former I'd say Gojo would still put up a somewhat decent fight and if it's the former he would probably have him on the ropes
Sukuna can just close his barrier therefore and kill him with fuga, or literally just use a dismantle and it would immediately kill gojo just like it did in the Canon fight. World cutting slashing isn't necessarily stronger than any other dismantle it's just the target has changed making it more effective especially against techniques like limitless. Also 4 arms would allow sukuna to dominate close quarters pretty handedly. People like to act like gojp is the better combatant h2h, but when you actually read the fight the only time gojo is winning h2h is when he's using blue and even then sukuna takes no significant damage from the blue throws. Even when gojo uses blue to the sukuna into his fist sukuna still reacts and blocks. I believe people have this perception because of the nature of gojos techniques and the way he uses blue to Amp himself and also the fact the he "1v3'd" even though sukuna wasn't involved more than a kick and a makeshift piercing blood.
@@Subpar1O1 the only thing there is that Sukuna with World Cutting Slash would have the binding vow meaning he has to chant, make hand signs, and point at the target meaning Gojo could prevent him from chanting or doing the hand signs (like Sukuna preventing Yuta from using Purple) and even if he can't Gojo can see where he's pointing even if he can't see the slash and by virtue of being faster than Maki he'd be able to dodge it.
@Six-bw3ir a couple things. #1 is that Sukuna can't use Furnace against Gojo because he would never get the start-up time in order to fire off the technique which is why he never tried to use it against Gojo, the same reason Gojo had to work so hard to fire off a second Purple. Second, the World Cutting Slash is absolutely more powerful than other dismantles because Gojo and Yuta are put out of commission by it and regular dismantles and cleaves were pretty much shrugged off, in Gojo's case he was literally being hit by dozens of dismantles per second in Sukuna's domain multiple times. In terms of Gojo not being superior hand-to-hand that's just objectively wrong Sukuna was getting minced in the hand-to-hand for the entire fight and despite that not being shown to do significant damage for most of the fight it happens twice in the domain battles when Sukuna's domain collapses and he has a big black spot fight in the middle of his chest and is bleeding out of the mouth (obviously implying Gojo hit him in the chest) and when Gojo sticks his entire fucking hand in his chest after Infinite Void hits. Also Gojo knocks him out when he lands the Black Flash but I get why that can be written off because of the 2.5x power and the fact he just got hit by red. If Sukuna really thought he could throw hands with Gojo he wouldn't have been hiding behind Agito and Mahoraga he would have been in there with him and when he does go in Gojo grabs him and throws him into Mahoraga opening the door for Gojo to fire off purple.
@noriskgaming8312 #1 heien sukuna has 4 arms for a reason, he can charge the attack and fight simultaneously. The reason WCS seem more powerful are because he actively charges them using handsigns and chants, which are known to boost output exponentially, gojo does the same with the second purple he hit sukuna with towards the end of their battle. H2h literally reread the fight I'm sure you are working of pure memory (which isn't reliable at all), there is no point where gojo actually does significant damage h2h or any damage for the matter the most he lands are a black flash. There is literally a point in the fight when gojo tries to trick sukuna by using an illusion technique similar to what killua does in hxh and sukuna easily blocks and counter and gojo is clearly suprised sukuna was able to do this. Like I said the only time gojo ever has the upper hand is when he uses blue to ragdoll sukuna, which sukuna can only counter if he uses DA. Which he actively avoids throughout the fight. You also assume gojo used his hands to peirce sukunas chest while in domain when that could just as easily have been a red which is more likely. Lastly, no sukuna purposefully got hit by the red, he literally stood there and used DA on purpose just to see if it would do any damage. And yes sukuna wasn't on the front lines majority of the 3v1 not because he was scared but because he was stalling the fight for mahoraga to adapt its the reason why he goes for the more annoying play of just poking at gojo. Hiding behind agito clearly didn't and wouldn't work agito is not a top tier shikigami, at least not when in battle with gojo and sukuna. It just gets destroyed and fodderized. Like I said by nature of mahoragas abilities sukuna HAS TO tank all of gojos different abilities in order to adapt of course he's going to let gojo get some licks in if he want to evolve his technique. Dare you to go back and read chp. 232 pg. 5-6 sukuna literally gets hit by gojo, the wheel spins and sukuna is smiling. If that doesn't imply he's getting hit on purpose to adapt idk what does
24:09 "why I didn't include them" shows Kenjaku with purple aura... Ronin associates himself with Kenjaku? 🤔 Great video) Yes, honestly, Gojo really IS handicaped by the lack of information, and Sukuna benefits from it so much. But here's one only question that bugs me - can't Gojo just escape Sukunas domain with blue at any moment, not having to fight it? Yes, it's probably not in character, at least initially, but after frying his brain... Why not just get out of the 200 meter range in a second, making Sukuna waste his cursed energy on domain?
@@garfleguy True but Hakari states that even if MS stretched from the location of the fight in Shinjuku all the way to Shibuya (about 4.5km), Gojo could still teleport out of the range. Although as established that's probably not something Gojo would do.
Sukuna literally dominated in domain expansion 😂 heian era sukuna would eventually cook Gojo without needing Mahorage , malevolent shrine with flame arrow would tip the scales to finish off a brain dead Gojo, no world slash needed.
So why didn’t he do it against yuta in gojos body😂 + the “ flame arrow “ doesn’t do shit against gojo since it can’t touch him that’s why he didn’t use it
Firstly, it is an extreme diff fight for both. Sure Sukuna "wanted to improve as a sorcerer", but there were most definitely points in the fight where he was near death on multiple occasions. Secondly, if Gojo can find a way of damaging Sukuna enough to restrict domain expansion (he definitely could, an argument can't be made that "he wouldn't touch him" because that is flawed), then UV lands, it is game over. Still a very, very close fight in all forms.
How will uv land lol malevolent shrine will always be far better than uv in domain clash . True form is def far more closer to gojo in h2h combat his durability is unmatched . Gojo cant really do any meaningful damage in h2h combat or red or blue to true form sukuna ( tanked everything without rct) . His only win condition is to land hollow purple not once but atleast twice or thrice to win the battle which sukuna woundnt let him do as he would be on the offensive this time . Gojos brain getting fried due to de spamming and sukuna will always come out on top w high-ext diff
This is why I respect gojo even more. Anyone who obviously knew they didn’t have a chance fighting Sukuna would have been frightened. And would have backed off. On the other hand gojo probably knew at one point of the fight against sukuna he wouldn’t, win but he still fought like a champ absolute W.
Ahh yes, sukuna + mahoraga + agito + ten shadows tied with gojo but somehow sukuna is still stronger. Mfs just don’t read the manga gojo is so much stronger and it’s not even close. Gojo literally was going to kill sukuna with a shot of hollow purple right before mahoraga jumped in and again gojos second hollow purple would have also been far away from gojo and gojo would be out of range of the world cutting slash if sukuna didn’t cry out for mahoraga to come save him. 2 definitive examples of gojo beating sukuna if sukuna didn’t jump him. Sukuna also said himself he couldn’t beat infinity at all without raga. When referring to bypassing infinity sukuna said “That was something I could not do, so I waited. I waited until I could obtain an adaptation that would match your inviolability.” That’s also shows even with mahoraga sukuna couldnt bypass infinity it worked around it which is still bullshit since it’s repeatedly stated you would need a DE or be microscopic to get past infinity. On top of that there’s all of sukunas literally impossible binding vows that gege wrote him to cheat with. Sukuna, while with Megumi and mahoraga, while making impossible binding vows, while also literally contradicting statements made about infinity barely snuck out a win and was in critical condition afterwards. This is all without saying that every single one of gojos domains beat sukunas and sukuna used Megumi soul to tank the UVs if he didn’t have Megumi he would’ve been dead after 1 domain. Sukuna was at 100% power in megumis body so unless you’re really gonna make the case that 2 of sukunas arms are many times stronger than mahoraga and agito combined then sukuna loses. On top of all that Gege himself said gojo is stronger! “So is there anyone other than Gojo-the strongest character in the manga- who can use limitless?!” And gege said in a recent exhibition interview “Other than domain expansion, sukuna has no other way to bypass infinity.” Gojo won the domain clash and tanked 4 MSs there’s no domain in the verse stopping him. Gojo is still stronger.
@@Waltuh_P big words? more like a lot of words. were you trying to write an essay? you citied your sources and provided evidence for your arguments, do you want me to proofread your work? 😄
I think a point that is severely missed here is that Gojo was LANDING his unlimited voids on sukuna, but megumi was being used to tank them, if not for that sukuna would be cooked in the first domain clash, and I’m assuming that outside source of using megumi doesn’t apply here. Also it was shown on multiple occasions that Gojo was able to just straight up tank Sukunas domain for minutes at a time without much issue, so even if sukuna gets domains off, Gojo would still survive, whereas if Gojo gets his Domain off for even 1 second, it’s over for sukuna, and let’s not forget the fact that Sukuna did technically get hit multiple times by unlimited void, but he made megumis soul bear the burden of it, however when it caught him for literally .01 seconds, it left him without domain and severe brain damage. The subject of black flash was also never touched upon in this video, as during the fight, after gojo got his black flash off, the fight became much more dominant in gojos favor, even in a 2v1 gojo vs maho and sukuna, untill of course the world slash, in fact I’d say if gojo gets a black flash off while still having access to domain expansion, the fight is over and gojo would win due to being at 120% and getting his domain of faster or breaking sukunas barrier before his shatters, and this is a fair point since when gojo and sukuna where going hand to hand, no outside influences, gojo knocked him out cold and would’ve won then and there if not for mahoraga intervention, gojo is clearly the far better hand to hand combatant and would feasibly land black flashes especially when his focus isn’t on fighting 10s ON TOP of sukuna
Gojo landed 1 unlimited void* and considering Sukuna changed his strategy because he has the 10s it is not like it would repeat itself. If I was fighting a infant then I would be less careful that they hit me than if I fought a full grown man. Also it serves an effect of mental problems for gojo as he would be hurting megumi if he used it again. Sukuna won 3 of the domain clashes. Sukunas domain has been shown to be able to overpower gojos and with his 4 arms he can now fight hand to hand while in his domain which disables gojos infinity. If you wanna talk about black flash then it goes more towards sukunas favor. He landed more black flashes than Gojo has in his lifetime in his fights of the latest chapters, also no it did not become more dominant in his favor since Sukuna was stated to not be nervous at all until the last purple. The fight was not more dominant against maho and sukuna because as gojo stated sukuna was holding back and the reason for the world slash is mahoraga so he lost that ''2v1''. Sukuna gets off more black flashes than gojo as I proved above. Gojo was winning in hand to hand when he was in his meguma form but Gojo and Kashimo both said that his 4 armed form is a significant increase. just 4 arms by itself is a massive boost but he can also do chanting while fighting. Gojo has been said to be able to think for 1 minute in 10 seconds so his focus would not make him stronger. To state evidence for sukuna winning below: Sukuna was stated in the fight to not be scared or in trouble at all until the last purple Kashimo implies that Sukunas true form is stronger than his 10s form (He didn't know if sukuna still had the 10s or not at that point) Gojo stated that Sukuna is stronger than him while holding back Gojo said that Sukuna without the 10s would more than likely beat him. Btw Gojo didn't know about Sukunas true form at this point so he is talking about the Yuji version. In character Sukuna got the 10s so that he would not struggle against Gojo, the reason for this is (as yuta confirmed) that he wanted to save his true form until he beat gojo so that he could fight the other students, it doesn't mean the he NEEDED it. The feats of a heavily fatigued sukuna is more impressive than anything that Gojo has shown. He then beat Gojo again when Yuta took over his body. Btw Yuta had the exact same amount of strength as Gojo just less experience and this Sukuna which had been fighting Yuji, maki, yuta, higaruma, choso, todo, kashimo and gojo was still able to deal with him. Now the argument for Gojo winning is: ''He can't get through infinity'' This is false since domain expansion and domain amplification are both stated to be able to bypass it. Sukunas true form can do chanting while hitting someone so his domain amplification would be stronger than in his 10s form. He also has way more durability feats than gojo. He has more experience aswell and we still haven't even seen his other CT's.
@@shutup3338 what he meant is that Gojo's domain sure hit targeted everything in the domain, but sukuna's sure hit targeted everything within the domain EXCEPT himself. which mean, that he should take the burden of UV in the first DE clash. however due to Suk used meg to tank it, Suk is fine
@@ReynardNathaniel Yea ik that. And what I am saying is that the reason sukuna got hit is because it didn't matter to him. Infact it was a positive since gojo would be burdened with hurting megumi. Even if you say this is headcanon there is way more proof for sukuna being able to win w/o the 10s
Heian Sukuna is the only relevant measure for strength against Gojo, Meguna is pure fraud. And yes heian Sukuna wins but only because his open domain is super haxed against any domian with a closed barrier, not because he is overall stronger than Gojo. Of course even with the small barrier Gojo coud win, he just have to wait a coupe minutes to restore his burnt out CT or don't engage in domain fight at all and if Sukuna open his domain he coud just teleport, if Sukuna closes the barrier Gojo coud break it from inside or open his own domain. But he had to lose for the story to continue.
@shutup3338 without 10S sukuna will lose. It's a fact. DE clashes? Either the gang tell Gojo abt open domain and Gojo leanr how to do it, OR just avoid any DE clash, teleport, and spam purple. No maho means no WCS. AND itvalso means that Gojo can play the long game here, since there is no risk for adaptability. But again, we will just agree to disagree abt this anyway. So there is no point ant this as it is just a waste of time
You got to love the debate. I am sure there are more to come by others. I personally put Shinjuku Gojo above 4-Armed Sukuna. It all comes down to what you assume 4-Arms does to Sukuna's H2H performance and whether or not he could perform well enough to not let Gojo eventually get off his Domain Expansion faster. Which at the end of the day will always be an assumption because we have not seen anyone who could compete with Sukuna (H2H wise) at Gojo's level to even have a valid opinion on what would happen. Plus when you bring in the fact that there are OTHER ways Gojo can fight against Sukuna's Open Domain such as just teleporting out. ESPECIALLY if you give Gojo knowledge of Sukuna's Open Domain BEFORE THE FIGHT. Gojo can simply teleport out, teleport back and use Domain Expansion on Sukuna. Since Gojo never created "Curse Technique Repair", Sukuna would not have knowledge on the fact he can recover his burnt out technique faster (since we have NO knowledge Sukuna knew of this BEFORE Gojo did it). See? KNOWLEDGE plays a big part into the victor when you are talking about these two. I wish UA-camrs would equal the playing field by giving Gojo knowledge of Sukuna's technique. But that would be unfair right..?
If Sukuna didn’t allow gojo to use purple then why would he become able teleport out nor does that solve actual problem considering his domain is still up and if gojo is allowed to teleport then Sukuna could just hide gojo’s shadow. Considering no one in the cast, thought it was possible to heal your burned out technique that means gojo created it
@@Kingcrimson_1456 Gojo would teleport out of Sukuna's Open Domain. Wait for it to stop, then use his Domain. It solves the problem perfectly. We do not know the conditions to Gojo teleporting so it is valid to assume he can do so. The point of that scenario is to show that ANYONE can create biased scenarios to get the outcome they want. Since we have no knowledge of how Sukuna would compete against Gojo in H2H, it comes down to whether or not you believe Sukuna with 4 Arms is equal to or outperforms Gojo in H2H. It comes down to ultimately who you want to be better. That is why I dislike debates like this. I personally say Gojo is stronger but I am fine with saying they are equal. Obviously everyone has their own opinions.
@@Tojiii bro, domains don’t have a time limit they can choose to end it whenever they want to not to mention, both of them can open their domains multiple times a day. The only reason why they restarting their brains in the first place is because both of the domains broke, causing burnout. also, every time Gojo teleports on screen, he shown doing an hand sign
@@Kingcrimson_1456 Domains don't need a time limit. He has a CE limit. Which eventually would be depleted overtime. They only became able to open Domains more than once without suffering curse technique burn out when Gojo created "Curse Technique Repair" and then Sukuna copied him. If Gojo never shows that to Sukuna then Sukuna therefore should not have knowledge of it. There is no proof Sukuna knew of that beforehand. Which means he would suffer Curse Technique Burn Out allowing Gojo to then use his Domain Expansion.
@@Tojiii domains consuming more CE overtime is never stated the longer it’s activated and even if were the case Sukuna has cursed energy than gojo and they’re efficiency is said to be equal so either way Gojo gonna have sit there for a long ass time
Heinan sukuna would beat the strongest version of gojo by using his domain, meguma was losing the 1v1 inside the domain because he had 2 arms and didn't use 10s (aside from the weel), gojo realistically can't beat heinan sukuna
Before I start I still think 4 arm Sukuna would find some vow to benefit him so this isn’t a Gojo insta win thing. Anyways, against Heian Sukuna for the domain fights and the 3 minute thing that was brought up, I think it would actually be a disadvantage, hear me out. Gojo’s goal during DE clash was too deal/pile up enough damage to Sukuna to the point he can’t maintain his domain while Sukuna’s was to endure until his open domain destroys Gojo’s barrier. Playing defense is much easier than offense in a fight unless you are overwhelmingly stronger to your opponent and I don’t believe that Sukuna gets a stat buff from his true form besides size, which is one of the flaws imo, since Gojo just needs to deal damage, Sukuna’s increase in size would actually be a disadvantage because he would need more energy to recover. This along with the fact that he wouldn’t have raga’s wheel to reduce the dmg taken makes me believe Gojo would have a better advantage and the 3 minute clashes. Overall, if it played out like in the manga, I think Gojo would have more of a advantage but Sukuna would probably still pull out some binding vow to win, I just wanted to express this :/
Sukunas extra arms and mouth would be a very decent advantage no matter what. If it’s heian era sukuna it’s a decent chance either could win with it leaning more towards gojo. Full form sukuna post kashimo fight would genuinely make it hard for anyone to argue gojo wins
I lowkey feel like gege wants it to be like naruto and sasuke where it’s kinda like a “they will draw 9/10 “ type vibe (ik people say naruto is stronger in the end of they very last fight since he was holding back BUUUUUT my point still stands)
He absolutely would've won without Ten Shadow's. Hell when you look at all the details you quickly realize that Sukuna had far better ways to win, but they would've been so boring by comparison.
@@somerandomperson5473 Gojo notes that Sukuna is only using the CT granted to his domain and later on we learn Sukuna could only use Domain Amplification in small bursts as to not interrupt Mahoragas Adaption. Gojo would take too long to damage Sukuna if he was using Domain Amplification constantly as it would Minimize Blue and Red making purple the only sure-fire way to deal enough damage and that would be hard to pull off since Sukuna can now fight back rather then being a punching bag for Gojo. If Sukuna wasn't using Mahoraga he could hit Gojo with Dismantles whenever his Infinity was down. Exhausting Gojos RCT even faster as it would add on more damage that Gojo would have to heal. Gojo would struggle to destroy Sukunas domain, Sukuna wouldn't play risky and would he more careful of Unlimited Void, Gojos RCT wouldn't be able to keep up and he'd eventually be torn to shreds. Without Mahoraga being a factor and if Gojo let go of his pride he could attempt to run away with his long distance Teleportation. Even then Sukuna wouldn't just let Gojo teleport as we saw back during the sports festival with Hanami that Gojo would rather use purple then his Teleportation usage when going after an enemy from far away. This must mean that long range Teleportation takes longer. Sukuna wasn't giving Gojo time to use purple, no way he'd let Gojo use Teleportation. Mahoraga was the most entertaining option for Sukuna and nothing more. Ryomen Sukuna is the strongest. Things that Sukuna would do differently: 1. No playing Risky 2. Constant Domain Amplification 3. Dismantles when Infinity is down Results: 1. Wouldn't be touched by Infinite Void 2. Gojo struggles to deal serious damage 3. Gojo's RCT would exhaustes faster Gojo's RCT is exhausted and he is torn apart or he loses his Domain and is also torn apart. He's cooked and Sukuna wouldn't even need to use his Heian Era form.
@@unoriginalandunfunny1563ur completely delusional keep believing what u want... Just understand how domain amplification and infinity works..... And who the hell would save sukuna when infinite void hit??
“Absolutely” when he had no way to bypass infinity without 10 shadows or domain expansion(which gojo tanked) that’s why he got the technique and why he reincarnated after gojo was gone
Sukuna was always stronger than gojo. If you read the fight with comprehension then you know sukuna handicapped himself for mahoraga. Gojo would stand no chance against 4 arm sukuna. Sukuna was literally tanking Gojo’s attacks to let mahoraga adapt.
If that were the case, his moments of using domain amplification every single time would've beat or outlasted Gojo in hand to hand encounters. But even in a 3 v 1 he couldn't get the upper hand on Gojo. And if all he wanted was Mahoragas adaptation, why do the stupid thing and halt the process by using domain amplification? He needed Mahoraga. That simple.
@UnifiedEntity ye, and sukuna in megumi would've most definitely be physically weaker, so why use domain amp then if your physically weaker than you should be and making mahoraga adapt would've been easier than domain amp
Thats the stupidest headcanon ever. Literaly every implication including the statements sukuna made to gojo at the end of the fight massively imply That sukunas gameplan and win con to defeat gojo was mahoraga. Yet you somehow come to the conclusion that mahoraga was a handicap despite all the evidence including the fight itself pointing otherwise. Sukuna never intentionally tanked gojos attacks for adaption, that was never stated even once it was literaly shown in the fight that sukuna was ACTIVELY AVOIDING gojos attacks in an attempt to minimize damage while the wheel was adapting to infinity.
@@UnifiedEntity Sukuna wasn’t using domain amplification that much throughout the clashes nor did he use it much after outside of a few instances. Everytime sukuna does use domain amplification gojo could never overpower him and sukuna even got in strikes. Sukuna went into the fight with the goal of obtaining a model from mahoraga, that was said in 236. He used domain amplification to counter gojo whenever he needed to like when he used it to reduce the damage from a red. His RCT output was already low, so why would he incur unnecessary damage if he can minimize it? Sukuna barely used domain amplification throughout the fight, he literally had mahoraga’s wheel active for most of it. Sukuna barely participated in that 3v1 and it’s not like he could touch gojo because of his infinity. Mahoraga was the only being there that could erase infinity and sukuna/agito could only attack gojo if they timed their attacks with mahoraga(ex: sukuna using”piercing blood” to hit gojo while his infinity is disabled by mahoraga). Majority of the time it was just mahoraga and agito(agito still couldn’t touch gojo without attacking with mahoraga). Not to mention gojo was amped by black flash during that entire part of the fight which is a luck based boost. He wouldn’t start off a hypothetical fight with a black flash amp. Sukuna didnt need mahoraga, gojo was simply the inferior sorcerer. Sukuna is stronger than gojo in almost every way, gojo literally glazed sukuna and said he didn’t go all out. You should lay off the copium.
I agree with most of these but it must be stated that sukuna had to pull out the infinite power of jumpjutsu that he hadn't used since the Heian era and make it a 3 on 1. also he on multiple occasions had to call on his daddy big raga to save him and develop the world cutting slash to bypass infinity. the main examples besides the world cutting slash is that he had to have mahoraga adapt to red, blue, purple(the time made mahoraga tank the hit for him so he only nearly died also works here) and adapt to his domain expansion so he wouldn't need to be so worried about it also though it can be stated gojo is usually correct he is not always. For example he said "time doesn't pass in the prison realm" where that is not the case because he would have to be able to move in negative time, which he definitely cant do because if he could he would. it can be argued he was overestimating meguna and he almost killed him, which is iffy at best. also this wasn't a a sukuna that had to bear the weight of big ragas adaptation, megumi was doing that for him (unwillingly). Overall I agree but I thought I might as well make some counter arguments that could be made. Thank you to anyone who responds politely and I will say I'm not perfect on the details here since I haven't read that fight in about 8 or so months, and have a notoriously bad memory, so please correct me if I got anything wrong.
Didn’t Gege state that if sukuna didn’t have mahoraga he would’ve lost the fight? Big raga was really the deciding factor in it, whoever had him would’ve won
That was never said, Gojo said the opposite actually. He says "I might not have beat him even without the 10 Shadows" which is bullshit frankly but the implication is that Gojo was never decided to be the victor
@Kingcrimson_1456 hence "if yuji told gojo about his memories from shibuya". He could make the shrinking domain, the break at the same time. Gojo wins off healing his CT
Why do people keep forgetting that Gojo and rest of the cast's main goal is to save Megumi that was the reason that Maki went for the heart instead of head and similar way Gojo was spamming UV to catch Sukuna in it and bring him near death to save Megumi
@@king_chungus he never said anything about holding back, learn reading comprehension. You legitimately can read the panel where gojo says he'll bring Sukuna closer to death than he's ever been, not literally kill him. That doesn't mean anyones holding back lol.
@king_chungus He also said he would win :) When he trapped Sukuna in UV he states he would bring Sukuna *NEAR DEATH* if he had just used HP he would have won but Megumi would have also died, similarly last HP would have killed Sukuna if it had directly hit (stated by Sukuna himself) but Gojo used a blast to cover a big radius to again bring Sukuna near death. Now does your slow teenage brain gets it?
@king_chungus You didn't even read the fight did you? Gojo literally states that he will bring Sukuna/Megumi even closer to death than Yuji/Sukuna was after the center incident (When Sukuna pulled Yuji's heart out and then made a binding vow with him)
So basically what im getting out of this is sukuna could of just went full beserk with his heian form and spammed Malevolent shrine to finish gojo off but choose the riskier route with mahoraga to get stronger
@@Am-fp7pn Yes Sukuna fought Gojo with only 19 fingers + mummified head(19F Statement from Megumi words) If we only include fingers, it's 20 But including his mummified head(1Finger= mummified head) would put it to 21F(All parts)
the debate ended a year ago when we saw gojo say hello to everyone in the afterlife, don't know why glazers are taking this so far. gojo lost simple ggs no re
@luhtonka3946 Sukuna only won thanks to megumi techniques. Also, gojoyuta kicked his ass and only survived the match because yuta got a bad wifi signal.
This fight wasn't close I dont know why people think it was when it wasn't. The story even tells you hey, if Sukuna didn't want to show off he would've won with just domain clashes
I’m curious what Gege would say about a hypothetical fight between Gojo and true form Sukuna, so no help from the abilities of his vessel but also presumably with some level of amped stats.
Imagine gojo using another domain expansion besides Infinite Void. An open domain with a devastating big blue orb in between. This blue being different from maximum output, having more power. What would happen then?
I think this is pretty reasonable argument: Gojo is cocky, he would’ve allowed Sukuna to transform into his heian form. So it would be Sukuna with a refreshed health bar, his knife, 4 arms, an extra mouth, and seemingly unrestricted world slashes. He clearly likes the world slash as well so why on earth would he limit himself for all future uses with that binding vow? Unless of course he knew it wasn’t enough to kill Gojo and the only way he was landing a world slash was by acting feeble and defenseless in order to get Gojo to lower his guard.
He needed that binding to catch Gojo off-guard. He really did not want to use his one-time heal while Gojo was still in play. That's how much of an annoyance and threat Gojo was considerimg he expected to be fighting more opponents.
If Gojo just uses blue to escape true form Sukuna’s open barrier then Sukuna would be forced to give up on battling with domains. With infinity active Sukuna’s only way to do damage is with domain amp while Gojo can keep firing away with his full arsenal. In this case, Gojo just wins. If Gojo keeps trying to clash domains then he loses. But I doubt Gojo would continue trying the domain route if even shrinking his barrier doesn’t work. In conclusion, Gojo beats true form Sukuna most of the time but Meguna beats Gojo most of the time. They’re both truly GOATs
@@HCR-jn5xpHis TP more than likely has some binding vows that need to be implemented before he can actually tp otherwise he would’ve used it instead of running
Simple counterpoint, I like Gojo more so he wins easy Great video though, It's nice to see someone go into depth about this match up as it's obviously one of the most popular fights in this generation of animanga
I do agree with that. Knowledge is so powerful in jjk that literally explaining stuff, will buff you. So sukuna having spend the entire arc learning about and preparing for gojo would have a clear advantage.
For Sukuna's increase in stats with each consumption of a finger, I always took it as each finger provides a specific amount of CE to him but his base stats of his body(Strength,Speed,Durability,Cursed Energy Output) remain the same. I always saw CE Reinforcement as (Base Body X Cursed Energy output), so the more buff and athletic you are the more your Ce will enhance you. For Cursed Energy Output; If we say that each finger gives 50 unit of CE to Sukuna and he uses only 10% of his CE pool for reinforcement(speculative); 1. A 1 finger Sukuna would be funnelling 5 CE for reinforcement. 2. A 5 finger Sukuna would be funneling 25 CE for reinforcement, making him 5 times stronger and faster than his 1-finger self. 3. A 15 finger Sukuna would be funneling 75 CE for reinforcement, making him 15 times stronger and faster than his 1-finger self. For his base body; 1. Yuji's body with no CE is superhuman, so Sukuna using CE here gives him the most stats. 2. His 4-armed 2-mouth form while really tall and buff doesn't compare to Yuji's body in terms of physicals(No CE). It's advantages are strictly in giving him the ability to use jujutsu and physical combat constantly. Still gives higher stats than if he were to possess any sorcerer not named Yuji. 3. Megumi's body, while highly trained, is that of a regular human thus gives him the least stats. Tldr; More curse more powah. Yujikuna Stronk, Four-Arms Sukuna Meh, Meguna Weak
Didn't in episode 1 gojo said the fingers grew in power over the centuries? So if gojo is a match power wise in 20 fingers sukuna would in theory make gojo stronger than og sukuna? And isn't yuji a physical beast versus megumi with a beast curse technique so wouldn't a 20 fingers yukuna be a closer match punch for punch? I'm not disagreeing with the video but i saw that in episode 1 and p3ople say sukuna is still the same power as he was before he cameback or did that meant something else? Like tge fingers itself grew to the point that they can't be destroyed instead of sukuna's power?
POV Gojo stopped having an EGO: He killed Sakuna right after purple exploded instead of yapping, and would have dodged the world cutting slash like the other fodders that jumped in after did.
I'll be responding to specific arguments and comments on a stream tmr so if by this video's end you still disagree and want to have your point addressed, reply this comment.
What if gege didn't hate gojo? I couldn't think of a valid argument so I'm reaching
Do you think that 1 finger sukuna from episode 2 beats Pre Rct Gojo? What would be the output on 1 Finger Malevolent Shrine? The thing is that Gojo still has Falling Blossom Emotion, so even Gojo would still take some damage, it depends on the strength on 1f Sukuna's Domain.
I'm also not sure if Sukuna had Domain Amplification before meeting Kenjaku. Given that's who taught Jogo and Hanami about it. Plus, Sukuna knew he only had 10 seconds to fight Gojo, so he would've tried a lot more than just punching.
sooo... when it comes to it, gojo is a better fighter. the only reason gojo ever lost is because sukuna was aware of his abilitys while gojo wasnt.
I just think gojo would be able to land a domani on sukuna's original body. He opened a domain when sukuna was busy healing his body so I dont understand why gojo wouldnt hit sukuna with a red, blue or purple to dmg to him before opening a domain. gojo is a fast thinker after all. gojo would be keeping his distance teleporting away. but even if sukuna knew about gojos abilitys, he still didnt know about unlimited hollow. and if there would be no mahoraga and megumi's soul to adept, I think he gets cought in gojos domain. and also, gojo would not just be there spaming more domains since he was trying something new every time. hes not just gonna go on and spam for no reason, he always used it bc he had something in mind.
@Ss_EnDeRmAn21 I've always thought gojo can throw hands better. But when it comes to CE and techniques In general sukuna is just better
To this day Chrollo Lucilfer remains the only character to announce to undoubtedly win a battle and still end up winning it.
I mean Luffy lost a few times but he definitely still does win in the end
Literally every shonen protagonist will like to have a word with you
Lol the creator also make the fight still ongoing hisoka will get his get back
@@Sinnarattygang He still lost convincingly, definitively and died while knowing every ability Chrollo would use. Still the biggest example of someone revealing all his cards and winning regardless.
@@ImchautzuCHAUTZUthat’s lame compared to what chrollo did
I think Gege explains it pretty well at the beginning of jjk: "the winner of a battle of jujutsu isn't always the one with the strongest technique but the one who's more knowledgeable about jujutsu".
I think Gojo is technically a stronger sorcerer (slightly better ct, slightly better rct, slightly better ct usage, better sure hit), but Sukuna has way more experience fighting strong sorcerers and knew literally everything about Gojo's ct, he was told beforehand how his ct and domain worked and how to counter them (gojo told him that his de doesn't affect you if you're touching him and that a previous 10S user managed to kill an infinity user).
So basically Gojo was the strongest while Sukuna was the better socerer, he was better prepared and went in with a plan while Gojo kinda just threw himself there and improvised.
That and gojo fights with honor and skill and sukuna fights to survive and win. Still dont think heian form sukuna coming out on top without world slash.
@@ebola52he is but you can cope 🤡
@@Owen-sx4jj not cope. Gojo holding back to save megumi instead of hitting sukuna with an infinity of purples.
its the age old battle of intelligence (sukuna) vs strength (gojo). strength will win in a straight foward fight 9/10 but intelligence can so easily tip the scales if said individual knows how to use and abuse it
@@ebola52I wouldn’t say that he was holding back on his purple usage. It was stated during the fight that if Gojo used purple a lot, mahoraga would adapt to it and make it almost impossible for him to win, since it was his win condition after the domain clash. That’s why he focuses on using red and blue as well as physical combat. If Mahoraga adapted to purple at the beginning, it would have been a matter of time for him to adapt to infinity and develop the world-cutting slash, and without an instant, fatal attack, Gojo wouldn’t have the tools necessary to come out on top.
At least that’s my take after reading both Gojo’s and Sukuna’s strategies. Also, it didn’t look like Gojo was holding back at all
The fact that most not compleatly one sided versions of these fights come down to knowledge just goes to show how close this fight really was.
Sukuna knows about what Gojo can do while Gojo doesn't know what Sukuna can do so Sukuna wins
@@nathankeel6667 And for all those fights, there will always be those who says it was a one-sided massacre.
@@QuazarNovaPrime but at the same time gojo have a better body and CT , so... balanced?
@@frankalves9955 better body than a guy with 4 arms and two mouths basically engineered for jujutsu? CT I’ll give ya but body nah
@@jadenthakur5440 sorry , I didn't clarify , was talking about meguna
The fact that Gojo pushed Sukuna so much while growing up in an era of almost no competition, while Sukuna was in constant competition is crazy.
You honestly kinda spittin tho
I guess it more so just goes to show more the sheer talent of gojo vs the hard work and efforts sukuna went through during the heian era
@@therealwhoever Exactly
@@therealwhoever ah yes, the hard work and effort of being born with two extra limbs, an extra mouth, and the largest cursed energy reserves in the series. Truely the hardest worker of all. Its not like gojo learnt rct on the verge of death or anything like that lol.
@@memesix5440 wait whats that... is that... competition??? against gojo???? its not like sukuna grew up on the "Golden Age of Sorcery" yk, where yuta relative fighters were pretty common rather than something exceptional. Oh and not to mention that gojo has the most broken ct in the series, yk something kenjaku had to plan against several times because of how strong they are. Oh whats that, gojo had a ct manual to teach him the ins and outs of his technique??? even hollow purple was something he learned?? Oh whats that gojo has the six eyes, with someone as talented as gojo, being able to figure out your cursed technique from a single use of it, and cursed efficiency equal to or even better than sukuna, someone that kashimo called a god at.
@@1cicle. saying “yuta level fighters were common” is just headcannon. I’m sure there were a couple of them, but the current modern group has been the only group to ever bring Sukuna this close to death, especially given that Sukuna has never mentioned or seemed to remember literally ANYONE from the Hein era like he has Gojo. Kashimo the bum was disposed off in literally 2 panels when Sukuna gained his old form, it’s really not a flex to say that, especially since we know Gojo is the strongest opponent Sukuna has ever faced, meaning no one in Sukunas past ever came close to matching Gojo lol. I never said Gojo was a %100 percent hard worker, but it’s so goofy seeing Sukuna glazers call Gojo “talent” and Sukuna “hard work”, when Sukuna is born with a body PERFECT for jujutsu sorcery, the largest cursed energy reserves, AND arguably the strongest domain. We literally see Gojo perfect and train his limitless after he awakens, and saying he had an instruction manual means literally nothing. It simply tells him what techniques he has and what they do, not how to use or master them, evidently shown when teen Gojo couldn’t use red even with shokos instructions and this supposed “instruction manual” lol. Both have immense talent and worked hard, it’s not that difficult to understand. Braindead Sukuna fans glazing him more than Kashimo does 😭😭💀
heres how i see it
gojo has the better technique and abilities
while sukuna is a better jujustu user overall
@@zineprixmenu4373 agreed
@@zineprixmenu4373 yep
Gojo definitely has the best technique in the series, and this is coming from a Sukuna fan. It's been stated over and over that the Six Eyes + Limitless basically make you a god from birth. He was insanely talented.
Couldn’t agree more
@@FlamingPoisonHe was also a genius.
And is insanely (physical capabilities) powerful.
But Sukuna is just more experienced and wise. So, he’d win.
wtffff i was literally making this video😭😭😭 IM COOKED
The gambler is cooked no more 100 days
Still make it, I’ll watch fr
@@RestlessGamblrr add yuta in gojo body as well just for fun to see how far he goes
@@aydantesillo9520 probably 5 finger or 10 at max he lacking the experience in gojo body like ALOT of it
@@RestlessGamblrr you always making the videos im making bruh 💀
Look, it was obvious that Gojo was not surviving this fight. He was either going to lose to Sukuna or take him down with him. Imagine Gojo did win and survived, there would be no tension for the final fight. Gojo is definitely stronger than Uraume and Kenjaku, so what point would there be in having Yuta and the others join the fight. It would be boring and an insult to the series. But just because it was obvious does not mean it wasn't entertaining.
I enjoyed this fight the same way these two crazy bastards did: without a care about anything else. I didn't care about Gojover or Fraudkuna, i just saw two guys fighting each other and enjoying it.
Gojo vs Sukuna was great imo, I particularly don't like how Gojo died but the fight was JJK at its core. It's obvious Sukuna would win, but Gojo turned it from a fight to a game of 4D jujutsu chess where it wasn't just strength, but strategy and stamina that decided the winner. Gojo was taking advantage of his environment and Sukuna was learning and planning during the fight. It felt like an excellent justification of their titles, Sukuna rightly was the strongest sorcerer of all time and Gojo was not only the strongest of today, but he was strong because he was Gojo
gojo is stronger sukuna just won due to plot this video is pure trash
@@rmelo2382 it was kinda obvious , bc where gege said when he want the manga to end around Dec 2024
@@rmelo2382 then why didn't he win before saying plot plot .. The writer is the one who created both of them so he has right to decide the victor not stupid fans like you plus it's crazy that you expected a self proclaimed honored one defeat the king of curses
@@rmelo2382 you're so close to being correct, but your bias is blinding you. Gojo was the stronger fighter, but Sukuna was the smarter fighter. That's why he ultimately won as the whole fight was Sukuna setting up progressively taller and taller hurdles to see how many Gojo could clear before he failed
I think it honestly speaks more to gojo’s power that the thousand year old boogey man of jujutsu saw he could learn something valuable from him, and that his meticulous nature and unparalleled knowledge of sorcery is what kept a few bad decisions from ending him.
Sukuna is the more intelligent fighter
@southyonko6455 that is what he said doodoo head
@@southyonko6455 not really, he just had every advantage possible and the better tools to use. (Megumi Soul to tank UV, 10S, the world cutting slash to pierce inifnity, and complete knowdlege of everything gojo can do)
@@mihal1570 information gathering and planning ahead of time is part of being a smart fighter bud. Not Sukuna's fault those people couldn't gather any information on him. It's totally not like Yuji has every memory of Sukuna and his attacks and would definitely tell everyone right? 🤦
@@KonomidebanshouwashikisesurYeah it's so goofy how they spent half a chapter talking about Sukuna's domain being maybe an open barrier type, like was a special grade god stuck on Yuji's mouth for the whole 1 month or smth?
Yall need to stop dissng goatjo and goatkuna
Ngl gojo on fraud watch sukuna stood on business but gojo said he'd win then lost
Nah I'd keep doing it
@dinggullberry-go3yc like your pfp your an actual clown bro sukuna git dragged the entire fight
@@disfigureddog lmfao fr
@@disfigureddog did gojo win?
Something that's frustrating about Gojo vs Sukuna hypotheticals is we saw both of them do so much crazy, completely unprecedented shit in their one battle, if the fight went any other way, we'd likely continue to see crazy unprecedented shit, which makes any argument involving the two of them much less definitive. Hell, I'd argue that if they were to have the same exact fight again, with the same intentions/plans going in, and none of the knowledge of their victory/defeat, you could very well see an entirely different fight, regardless of outcome.
@@Just_Red_ that’s a good way to think of it (also sukuna only won this particular fight because it was a 1v3)
@@Just_Red_ this is a good argument and I agree just bc since the both of them are so unbelievably close in power (gojo with more raw strength but sukuna with better sorcery skill/knowledge) that literally any change at all could tip the scales in one of their favors
You forget about Hollow Whicker Basket which the newest chapter basically confirms as another defense against Unlimited Void for Heian/True Form Sukuna that Meguna OBVIOUSLY couldn’t use
yuji broke it so i really don't think thats much against gojo
@@sarthakshrivastava6073 Yuji strikes the boundary between Sukuna and Megumi’s souls, which lowers Sukuna’s output, and the chapter explicitly states that keeping the hands together keeps the output up. So basically, Yuji hits Sukuna, Sukuna’s output drops, HWB needs a certain level CE Output to be be maintained, thus Sukuna’s concern that HWB will fall because of Yuji.
Let’s not forget that he was using the same tactic earlier in the showdown when his overall control over Megumi’s body was better when he was fighting Yuji and Yuta in Yuta’s domain and Sukuna showed no concern of it breaking back then, only if or when the two targeted the hand sign, and Sukuna himself broke the hand sign to fire off a powered up Dismantle.
So against Gojo, who CAN’T strike the boundary between Souls like Yuji can, while also being in complete control of Megumi’s body or just if he was in his original Heian Era body, he wouldn’t have to worry about the HWB breaking so long as the hand signs aren’t broken
@@wizardwolf1020 sukuna won't hold out against gojo with just 2 arms for long let alone defeat him.(which is his win condition)
Here's the yap:☺
sukuna couldn't recover himself from yuji's special strike with his current rct output as soul requires (i don't remember it was more output or what)
so he said he'll take HWB, its not that soul barrier one was damaging his output to such a low level otherwise rct would be off limits too.
its sukuna would keep getting hit to the point he either loses his arms or gets beaten up to the point he can't maintain the sign no more. it doesn't mean that yuji will shatter hollow wicker basket literally. yuji can also only do this against sukuna
Sukuna's HWB is special he supplements output by maintaining sign hence his HWB won't be overpowered by a domain like gojo's simple domain was getting though this case could be different considering gojo's domain is as refined as sukuna but i'm not gay gay so i don't know.
so lets say it won't but the thing is sukuna is not up against yuji and yuta, he's against gojo. gojo had an upper hand on meguna easily without using red or blue externally(we see a few panels in which gojo is in a great advantage) hollow wicker basket 2 of sukuna's arms are gone, sukuna won't be holding for long even in his better body.
then comes gojo's techniques extensively used, gojo has full leeway on this as sukuna will take quite a bit of damage with no DA. even if sukuna had full four arms (he stops the signs and uses the normal one) he could match up to gojo easily and equal the fight but the situation changes when gojo uses his techniques more often, tbh gojo's techniques is the only thing that can make gojo get the upper hand in this scenario as gojo can use his technique more and more till he gets the upper hand, it might be draining output a lot but if his full win as sukuna will have no way left once UV lands on him.
@@sarthakshrivastava6073 Sukuna as Meguna was still able to hold out till both Domains Collapsed. True form would never be in that situation because it’s apparent that his true form is physically superior to Meguna when looking at Kashimo as his brain made no recovery and while Meguna was still slightly damaged, it was pretty negligible so the difference in performance was very apparent as True Form Sukuna completely overpowered Kashimo so he would perform better physically against Gojo
@@wizardwolf1020 to counter this gojo can use his techniques extensively like firing them more. in the domain battle the difference was huge, sukuna was barely managing to hold out for 3 min and he was fully on the defense too as he had no reason to attack(keep in mind he still got a lethal wound), here too he has no reason to go full aggressive but the fight from gojo's side will change he has to get more aggressive and get better to win if he manages to do this he wins and if he doesn't he loses. i never argued whether the siyuation goes to this point just said what i had to say about the HWB statement
it's literally what I always said
in the story, meguna's goal was NEVER JUST TO WIN!
he was genuinely looking for improvement on top of winning.
I've been wondering since lots of people mentioning this. in which chapter does sukuna said this? or when narrator mentioned this?
thank you
Gojo said he wasn't taking the fight seriously. Also he had to protect mahoranga most of the fight and he wanted to bypass infinity
@@ReynardNathaniel along with the comment right under yours, I’m pretty sure Sukuna himself says “might as well upgrade my arsenal” or something along those lines when adapting with maho. I could be weong
@@ReynardNathanielwell it’s never explicitly stated like just flat out said but it’s the implication that he not only focused on using ten shadows as a way to beat Gojo without showing all his cards but also to grow his own strength. However I could be wrong about it not being flat out said so if anyone can fine a quote that’d be cool.
@@franktapueluelu136Gojo said “he couldn’t give it his all” which is a big difference than not taking the fight seriously. I find it hard to believe someone like Sukuna would allow himself to get dragged around and almost die multiple times just to “improve” his arsenal. Gojo’s comments were meant to emphasize how broken Infinity is. Sukuna wasn’t holding back his arsenal by choice. Even the fire arrow didn’t meet the condition to use according to Sukuna himself. And to add on Gojo himself doesn’t know everything about Sukuna’s abilities like Sukuna does, hence why he smiled after Sukuna explained how he managed to pull the win. Gojo thought he didn’t reach Sukuna in the airport, but Sukuna refutes him immediately. And Gojo dies with a smile.
Both Gojo and Sukuna are equals imo. A fight with no prep time and other variables at play could go either way between them. But Sukuna needed to prepare perfectly for Gojo. His opponent wasn’t just Gojo, but the entire Jujutsu High.
One thing I’d like to mention in Gojo’s favor is his domain hand sign.
Unlike literally everybody else (besides current vow merchant sukuna) for his DE he only takes one hand and has been shown not needing to put his DE signs in front of his chest unlike everybody else. This is a huge advantage against fighters with only 2 handed domains, as if he can grapple and restrict the movement or destroy one hand, he could open his domain faster which is a insta win.
I was honestly disappointed that this wasn’t brought up more in the Shinjuku fight cause it’s a major plot device that is really op in verse
his crafty domain hand sign would not matter if Sukuna has his 4 arms and the fact that Sukuna was caught only once against an opponent who has such an easy hand sign is just more credence to him being the strongest.
@@adarshvardhan6819Honestly I was talking about anyone with 2 hands and hoping people would know it was kinda implied, but ye, it probably wouldn’t be a problem for heian Sukuna
Also that’s what I meant by it not being utilized properly against Sukuna and wish we could see more of its advantage, most of the time they just kinda went in over and over again
I get this but if it was so easy then he would have done it against meguna. Gojo had the upper hand in combat but not enough to hold up one of sukuna hand while he does his sign
Sukuna now completely stopped using his domain sign. in the newest chapter he has 4 arms and he still uses gojo's domain sign
Yeah him being the only one with a one handed natural hand sign is really cool, and makes him super unique
Unfortunately king of vows kinda made it seem like u can just switch the hand sign as we don’t know what he exchanged to use that hand sign
In my opinion he lost use of the WCS I mean even after getting all arms he doesn’t use it
You do a really great job demonstrating points without being insanely biased.
Gojo is so cocky he revealed his hands to Yuji (and Sukuna) throughout the series without any regard on the future impact. Maybe he never thought it would get him?
But knowledge is power and Sukuna is clearly a master of jujutsu in a different league than anyone else. His knowledge of binding vows, while a pain in the ass plot point sometimes is another demonstration of that.
Makes you wonder how far characters could go if Sukuna was willing to show them how to manipulate and play the system like he does.
Imagine Gojo or Yuta as a cursed object that can live for thousands of years and then come back with knowledge that no one can remember because it was so long ago, or a different time entirely.
Fun to think about. Great video!
even if Gojo didn't show it to Yuji. Sukuna will eventually take megumi's body anyway which mean he will learn abt it from megu's memory.
plus, kenjaku is certainly has info abt all of Gojo's kit.
and I do agree with you regarding BV. imagine Gojo make BV to make his DE an open domain. I mean Gojo's talent is more or less equal to sukuna anyway.
@@ReynardNathaniel the open domain is not the result of a BV. I see a lot of people confusing this about Sukuna's domain so here's a short explanation :
Sukuna's open barrier domain is purely skill based, the only BV he applies to his domain is that of providing an escape route (open barrier) in return for a 200m domain radius. The extended radius is the BV and not the open barrier.
Gojo knew about the open barrier,he just didn't know how they'd react. The fight would still go the same way. Malevolent shrine will always win against UV
@@abhrajeet841 sorry to confuse. My mention of the BV is towards the World Slash. I know the domain itself isn’t a binding vow
@@christreanor1948 oh no I was replying to the person who replied to you 😅
People also forget True Form Sukuna is faster, stronger, & more durable than Meguna/Yujikuna since total stats are physical body + CE output + CE reinforcement
True Form Sukuna being much more impressive physically than Yuji & Megumi’s bodies would be extremely helpful in physical combat within the domains
it is never stated that tf sukuna is faster,stronger and or more durable then meguna
my guy, there was no statement about him having an increased stat boost after reincarnating to his original body and it only healed his body.
each form of sukuna has the same stats overall, the fighting style is the only thing that changes on all of them.
headcannon
@@JMaikiJ JJK 255 Gojo literally speaks to Miguel about how Miguel’s own athleticism makes him such aa threat as well as his reinforcement
It’s also highlighted how Yuta’s needs to make up for his weak body with insane reinforcement + how Yuji is the opposite of him in that regard
Natural athleticism + Total CE + CE output + CE reinforcement all are factors in speed, strength, & durability in JJK
Yuji with Yuta’s reinforcement would be physically more capable than Yuta
Why are people assuming that megumi body is physically equal to sukuna’s original body??
Did nobody read yuji vs yuta????
Smfh🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Gojo isn't the MC so he wouldn't get the plot armor necessary to out do sukuna.
Gojo is a side character and NOT the protagonist which tells us that Yuji is the Protagonist while Sukuna is the anatoganist. It's pretty obvious who gege wanted to win here.
Side character aren't suppose to defeat the anatoganist otherwise that would make the MC irrelevant.
Sometimes you gotta realize that gege just had to pull some bs out of nowhere
Just like the WCS, how does sukuna know what space and time is? How does sukuna know the physics properties of space? I get that it's a Fictional story and it meant to not be realistic
but still, WCS was just a plot device to get rid of gojo when authors kill someone off screen it basically means they didn't want to do any explainations
to show why such and such lost.
Gojo had to lose so the MC could get his victory. If gojo had won than it would've made everyone else redundant.
Sukuna fans gotta understand it not from a battle perspective but a plot and story perspective.
Also Once sukuna won. he should've killed EVERYONE and the story ends there but you already know that would've been the realistic scenario but the author didnt want to write that,
so he had to drag out the fight and make headlines on why sukuna was weak blah blah he was holding back. He was having fun while hating(yuij) on everyone. bs bs.
Conclusion: Gojo should have won from a logical perspective but from a plot and storywise gojo should lose because he wasnt the protagonist.
Gojo beats sukuna PERIOD.
21:24 No it's weird, it's really what everything keeps pointing to.
Without Mahoraga, Sukuna takes off a huge load off of his shoulders (people keep talking about Mahoraga, like Sukuna didn't have to actively babysit him and feed him throughout the whole fight while risking more damage than needed to actually win the fight).
Even then, Mahoraga was not Sukuna's only option to build the world cutting slash.
He implies that coming up with a model by himself is possible, but would be super tedious as he'd have to manually test every possible sets of conditions to see what cuts through infinity (Mahoraga was a calcultor, he can do the complexe math by himself which would take days to do rigorously, or use his quantum computer to do it in 20 min).
Exactly. And people forget Sukuna has Domain Amplification as well... you know, THE most effective counter to Infinity after Domain Expansion? 🤷
And both him and Gojo explain over and over and over again that Sukuna used Mahoraga just to learn a new technique for shits and giggles, and that he absolutely did not need the motherfucker if he just went with the standard bread and butter.
What's tedious is discussing with Gojo fans, really
To be fair, thats the point of gojos ability, its overwhelming and requires alot to get through it, once you do youll meet a man whos skill is only equal to one (sukuna) its up to you if you want to believe that he would of figured it out to beat gojo and im not saying sukuna cant figure it out, im just saying at what cost?
you had mentioned that it'd be a rigorous process for him and after seeing his true skillset for the past year its safe to say he never had something that could truly combat the infinity. with that in mind if we look back at the fight gojo was recovering and sukuna was literally on his last leg when with the nick of time he managed to figure him out and unleashed the slash. So even for someone as smart as Sukuna he got saved by the bell by SOMETHING else that gave him the blueprint for the win, if that doesnt scream plot armor idk what does lol (which is obvious because the story has to continue but jus had to mention)
i just personally dont believe any version of Sukuna (besides wcs sukuna) could fight gojo by himself and either last long enough to figure him out or beat him without any PRIOR knowledge of gojos skills.
@@2pro4username9 The world cutting slash was not a win cond, the domain expansion was.
WCS was what he was after going into the fight, and it's the reason why he performed as badly as he did (it came back and bite him, but he still go out with his life and a little worse WCS by the end of it).
Sukuna's open barrier domain trivializes the whole fight, and with no Mahoraga to babysit, he can use domain amplification to his heart content while destroying Gojo's barrier again and again and again, suffering little to no damage himself.
Taking Mahoraga out of the fight, it becomes an endurance battle and Sukuna has no problem with that (he could've launched a cleave at the interior of the barrier when Gojo flipped the conditions and destroy it in one hit, but never did because he wanted to adapt).
@@charnalk5572 Even with what your saying about the domain expansion if Gojo had any idea of what he was truly fighting there's no doubt that it would of changed the fight for him too. i think the story blatantly makes it clear ( by getting his and everyone else perspective throughout the fight) that Gojo was fighting someone with a tool set that was unknown of until that point. As dangerous as sukuna was, maharaga was an essential element to the fight and so was megumi. without these two elements the fight changes, now taking away sukunas understanding of gojos arsenal that too changes the game as to even be able to play risky in a tight fight like that, means you have some sort of understanding of what your opponent could do or your buying some time, which in this scenario he wouldnt want to as he wouldnt have maharaga
Gojo would not only know of his open barrier domain but could simply rct inside of it instead of continuously opening his own DE. We all saw even with sukunas domain amp gojo was still beating sukuna within his own domain
this becomes a battle of endurance in which the six eyes would balance out the troubles of sukunas vast CE
i dont doubt that with gojos nature he would try a DE of his own but hes no fool to try and outclass sukuna in a realm he doesn't compete in. But mind you if gojo even catches him once with his DE its safe to call it ggs as there wouldnt be no other soul to take in the damage anymore which is why sukuna seemed to be taking little to no damage in the og fight
Something sukuna fans forget is that gojo was aware of the threat of mahoraga and had to fight knowing he was on a time limit, without mahoraga he would fight differently which the video doesn’t address.
I just genuinely see no scenario where Gojo does to full form Sukuna, what he did to Megkuna in hand to hand. As highlighted in the video, Megkuna was taking more risks than he had to so Mahoraga would adapt. He was still losing their h2h exchanges regardless, but not by any extremely significant amount. Give Sukuna the body he's used to, and his poor performance ceases.
It would be like taking Gojo's Six Eyes from him and expecting him to be as effecient with his Cursed Energy as he was before. He would obviously still have insane control, because he's Gojo, but not even close to the original level he had.
I genuinely think alot of people undersell just how much of an advantage it is for sukuna to have his original body. I genuinely believe domain amp plus original body equals a dead gojo with ease, whether sukuna has knowledge of gojos arsenal or not. When I read the fight I realised that all the raw hand to hand exchanges were won by gojo simply because gojo can use CT and sukuna can't. He was almost evenly matched. Idk for me personally 4 arm sukuna, heian era or not, completely takes the fight.
@@notdoorianyea bro this is what I say but all the Gojo glazers say “how can Sukuna get past infinity without mahoraga? He needed mahoraga to win” like bruh
@@king_chungus don’t mess with gojo fans they don’t read their own manga
@@puhhshiesty6583 I can tell😭🙏
What? It was never stated or shown he wasn’t used to megumis body after a month.
16:14
Sukuna didn’t need to cut off his sure hit to end IV. He did it so that it would take longer to break IV so maho can adapt. The binding vow was that sukuna will cut off his sure hit and in exchange his sure hit will do more damage on the outer shell. Gojo notes that sukuna took the riskier option cause he could’ve broken the barrier from the inside. So sukuna not knowing about iv won’t hinder him
kusakabe literally debunks this........sukuna fans are so quick to ignore panels and context if it doesnt fit their agenda
@@Sakura_is_her I can show u scans lol
Where r the scans? I cant find em@@XKIRA376
@@Sakura_is_herHe literally doesn't debunk it. All he says was that " Sukuna somehow changed the conditions of his domain. " Lmao.
The narrator states that a binding vow was used so that Sukuna could turn off his sure hit and strengthen the barrier on the outside.
Idk what you're talking about lol.
@@XKIRA376that's guy doesn't know what happened talking about. Hes saying Sukuna fans ignore panels then just blatantly didn't even read when the narrator says he used a BV to turn off his sure hit lol.
This argument has so many loopholes. For instance it wouldn't make any sense for sukuna to take a gamble with the binding vow he made with itadori in order to obtain megumi's body. If he knew that his reincarnated version with the extra limbs and weapons were stronger than gojo then why would he not go for that?? Why would he literally gamble with a binding vow if there were other ways to defeat gojo???
Because as was stated he was saving that form to fight all the other sorcerers. Mahoraga was a way for sukuna to beat gojo without having to use his form which he had been hiding because he knew that it would be more beneficial. Gojo stating that sukuna without the 10s and in his base form would have most likely beat him is also something all of you ignore
I don't understand why there's debate about this.
The author of the manga created a character who was so overpowered he needed asspulls and poor writing to kill him off. There's nothing more to it.
Yes, in the story Sukuna is stronger, but that doesn't mean it's good writing.
Sukuna literally outsmarted gojo he didn’t do an “ass pull” he can replicate any technique after seeing it once. He used mahoraga too adapt too limitless and create a slash that could hurt gojo he then could copy that technique after seeing mahoraga use it it wasn’t an asspull these facts have been around since day 1
@@cheber817it’s an asspull because it was his last move before losing. If true form Sukuna would have a chance against Gojo, the author would have written it that way. He doesn’t tho, he loses 9/10 times against Gojo. Imagine you are losing and it’s basically you’re last minute before you are getting finished. Exactly now he pulls of the world cutting slash that immediately ends Gojo. If someone in Real life gets dominated in 5 rounds MMA but pulls of a last minute knockout it’s called being lucky. Sukuna was lucky because that’s his plot armour so the story can continue. Also, 15 Sukuna with kenny and Uraume would lose immediately to Gojo. To this day no one has an answer why Gojo didn’t fight them right there and ended them. The answer is because the series would end in both ways. Sukuna had to win, the fight was poorly written. Either make Sukuna from the beginning superior so Gojo needs actually help from his students and then sacrifices himself to save someone instead of making him almost win and then lose out of nowhere off screen.
@@maartenm.437 agree. The arc of Gojo was so badly written at the end. I’m still annoyed
While it is true that sakuna is overall the "strongest sorcerer"
I actually think overall Gojo's kit is much scarier to face off against than sakunas Infinity alone carries so hard! Not to even mention infinite void.
As always great video Ronin
which is why sukuna's strategy isn't to take gojo's abilities head on but to subvert them using the rules of jujutsu (domain amplication, domain expansion, maho adapting, etc.), shows how tactics beats power
Which is why Gojo is one of the few JJK characters to win cross-series fights, because his techniques are simply so much harder to defeat without Jujutsu rules at play. Without Domain Amplification and Domain Expansion, there's just very little that you can to do take down Gojo's Infinity.
@@normal6483that’s fair but any series where they are planetary or higher gojo gets blitzed
@@globalpotaoto6681you forgot the more important part: they could do dimensional attack.
Actually, characters don't have to be planetary. They just need similar hax. Earlier weaker version of Black Clover Yami who just unlocked his dimensional slash can easily defeat Gojo without being planetary or higher.
Also even planetry or higher cannot defeat Gojo without space/dimensional attacks. Might guy in his ultimate form could be planetary but will do next to nothing.
Speed means nothing if they cannot break thru infinity. A slow ass punch but one that can break thru infinity is much better.
Well yeah, he has the most busted hax in the series. That isn't a secret 😅
“Throughout heaven and earth, he alone, is Go/jo a fraud.”
“Throughout heian era and earth, he alone, is THE fraud who can’t stop beefing with a 15 year old.”
😂😂
Bro lowkey a fraud no cap
@@bevenbelieven9424he cooked gojo
@@southyonko6455 maharoga cooked gojo
@@southyonko6455bro was getting cooked in his own domain lol
"Throughout both heaven and earth I alone the fractioned one" - Go/jo
Go/jo= g/j (cancel the commmon factor "o")
I was once arguing with someone about why Sukuna was stronger than Gojo (this was relatively recently, so we had all major relevant info), and he said that Sukuna was a fraud due to him only beating Gojo due to his lucky genetics, which gave him 4 arms, which is ironic, considering I can easily say the same thing (to an even greater extent) about the six eyes
Edit: i see a lot of people mentioning the statement about 4 arms being the greatest advantage a sorcerer can have. This is true, but i think the six eyes are more of a prerequisite to use the limitless rather than a straight up advantage. Without the six eyes, the limitless is too unstable to use, hence why Yuta never copied it, since it wouldn't work without the six eyes.
for most techniques, i'd argue that 4 arms is more advantageous, but for the limitless specifically, the six eyes are a bigger factor
Sukuna's genetics are so much worse than Gojo's lmao. Sukuna gets the sushi making technique + 4 arms while Gojo gets the craziest most op CT + Six Eyes which basically means infinite CE and RCT. And yet Sukuna's wincon in his original form is his better understanding of jujutsu aka borderless DE.
@@ramnoon6447Bro the narrator literally said there is no greater advantage to a sorcerer than 4 arms and extra mouth
@@Kingcrimson_1456 I would be shitting my pants at the sight of an infinity six eyes Sukuna vs a bit confused at a four armed 2 mouth Gojo.
@@ramnoon6447Sukuna's body was literally BUILT for sorcerery the narrator says as much. He has a body that gives him the ultimate advantage in a fight, arms to cast, an extra mouth to chant without obstruction. It's not just shown, the narrator goes into depth of how each part of Sukuna's body made him the strongest of the Heian era. Did you read the manga??
@@TheChosen141 bro, you’re trying to argue with the narrator said that’s not a good look
25:20 THATS ALL THE CONSOLATION I NEEDED NUMBER #1 GOJO GLAZER REIGNS VICTORIOUS MY GLORIOUS KING STAYS THE STRONGEST
07:00 Gege answered that mystery in his Gojo Q&A, the more finger means more power, more speed, more everything.
The difference between Sukuna vs Gojo is
Gojos win condition is DEFEAT SUKUNA
Sukunas win condition is DEFEAT GOJO AND THE OTHER SORCERERS
The other difference is that Sukuna has two HP bars lmao
This is also the reason why he took the risky route with Maho. And also Sukuna was saving some for the merger.
@@vivid5972 kinda want to see what the merger really is.
I love that you don't just make a video just to put it out there to get paid. Thank you for making meaningful content sir. A lot of anime youtubers aren't doing that. Really, thank you.
Ok but realizing the Sukuna scaling is nuts
3 FINGERS for Sukuna and he was a little bit below Toji’s level
That is just insane
so megumi is the narrarator now? his word isnt law he cant perceive either of them
@@thumbsup6042 Sukuna also said that he MIGHT lose against mahoraga if he had 3 fingers. Meaning that Sukuna at 3 fingers would still most probably win. And since Megumi fought both of them its not like its that crazy considering his intelligence
@@shutup3338 Also seems deliberately put there for the viewer’s understanding
@@gbemade fr people forget that the author is the one who makes both the narrator and the characters. They often make it clear if the character is ignorant of the situation or wrong
@@shutup3338Maki could keep up with Sukuna.
So, Toji would be around 5-6 fingers.
Kusakabe was wrong too. When he said that “Gojo won” and still was a contemplative comment.
Megumi was wrong.
I think the fingers logarithmically increase Sukuna’s CE. His mastery of sorcery remains the same, but his output increases because he has more to output.
Yes, I know your CE level doesn't equate to your output or efficiency, but surely there is a limit on how much you can output if you simply lack the CE.
For example, pre-awakened Maki has much less CE than Yuta, and she can't simply make up for that gap by increasing her output.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 i think “logarithmically” is the wrong word to use😂😂 the rate at which log functions increase over time decreases. i think the word you mean is “exponentially”😂😂😂
@@dilfhunter5645 I mean, yeah, the gap between a 15-finger Sukuna and a 20-finger Sukuna isn't as vast as the gap between a one-finger and three-finger Sukuna.
its kinda like how a car works. if have barely any gas, you wouldnt go at max speed because its going to run out very fast
@@ginnogianni1980 Exactly
so, Sukuna wins. I love how everyone thinks the statement by afterlife Gojo is invalid. When You explain it like this. Gojo is superman and Sukuna is Batman superior planning and knowledge makes Sukuna the victor.
the afterlife statment is contradictory and inconsistent and therefore not reliable
@@Tokyoowastaken the deciding factor was personality. Gojo wanted an amazing fight sakuna wanted revenge. So sakuna made sure he was overly prepared. Gojo came in with no knowledge and still waxed his shit near death several times. Plus, Gojo believes in his students so even if he lost, he knew they win. Either way it was up for sakuna because in the end, he loses to a teen with barely basic knowledge of something sakuna mastered his entire life. But in my humble opinion this was one of the greatest fights in shonen history.
It depends on which form he is in Megkuna will always win since it’s canon Heian era sukuna loses 80% of the time same with yujikuna
Current sukuna with all of his output regained loses 60% of the time either way gojo would win against any other form of sukuna high/ extreme dif but in the end sukuna is still the victor
@@Ghostxcznit doesn’t matter what personality he had he still lost to the smarter fighter
@@Ghostxczn you really think gojo did nothing those whole two months before the fight? no training at all? because he certainly gained a few pounds of muscle in between that time, if we look at his character design.
Good Explanation...
I appreciate the analysis👍👌...
Idk why people say sakuna was carried by maharaga when in megumi's body he only got hit with infinity because he was focusing on maharaga, and if he was fully incarnate he'd of just had an easier time beating gojo. If anything worrying about maharaga made the fight harder for sakuna because otherwise he'd of won after gojo ran out of domain juice
It's even said that Sukuna was on "protection duty" for raga too so I think people are just crazy
he wasn’t carried, he was saved. sukuna was abt to die but called mahoraga
@@aaronmathew2477 still hardly any difference than gojo being saved by limitless. Sakuna earned maharaga fair and square, at that point it was just another tool for him to use just like Shrine so acting like that makes him weak (idk if that's what you're saying, im just sayin that in a general sense) is still kind of brain dead
@@ira-jay 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ira-jay”Saved by limitless”😂 Ten Shadows wasn’t even Sukuna’s innate technique - it is not his technique. Not to mention he used Megumi’s soul a few times to tank unlimited void’s effects so he didn’t have to deal with it directly. 4 armed Sukuna by himself would have no way to harm Gojo with his CT if he had to use Domain Amplification as the only way to bypass the Infinity, which was Gojo’s INNATE technique.
There's a single moment, and a bit of knowledge, that potentially sets Gojo up for a win against Heian era Sukuna.
Sukuna knows from information on Gojo's technique that he can't be hit by Gojo's sure-hit inside his domain if they're making physical contact.
It's stated that
"Using a binding vow, Sukuna managed to further increase the power of his domain outside Gojo's domain by removing his sure-hit guarantee inside the domain. While, simultaneously keeping himself safe from Infinite Void by touching Gojo directly." Sukuna **needed** to make a binding vow in order to make that work, because Gojo's domain was purposefully strengthened on the outside. If Sukuna doesn't have this knowledge then he's stuck in a battle of pure hands. His four arms would certainly help, but we need to remember how goddamn effective Gojo's sure-hit is. We already know that Gojo was fast enough with Meguna to consistently break his domain by damaging Sukuna before his own domain broke.
As Gojo said, UV is a multitude times better as a cursed technique sure-hit than dismantle and cleave are. If Sukuna falters even once on this even playing field, then the fight is over. Done. Just like that. Given that Gojo can heal through MS with relative ease, Sukuna would have to surely beat him hand to hand in multiple domain clashes without being able to break it from outside.
No, gojo literally remarks immediately after sukuna does this, how he took the most risky move. LITERALLY READ, sukuna could have have strengthened his barriers sure hit on the inside since it was weak to attacks on the inside. Instead he turns off his sure hit on the inside to attack specifically stronger part of the barrier (outside). He does this to adapt using mahoraga, this is literally common sense.
@@Six-bw3ir Bold of you to assume fraudjo dogs use logic and common sense
@@Six-bw3irThat wouldn't have worked since both their sure-hits would still overlap each other, unless Sukuna damaged Gojo so he couldn't keep his domain open
@@IncognitoMode-xf1reIt wouldn't. This is something most people miss. Malevolent shrine was destroying UV from outside the entire time. In other words, it was evenly matched with UV while being a bigger domain. If he had shrunk it to the same size as UV, he could've overwhelm it in terms of quality. Gojo himself confirmed that the smaller the domain is, better the quality.
@@Rinnegan_user756 What are you talking about, the slashes of sukunas reached beyond gojos outside barrier because MS is a open barrier domain
Within the domain both are equal narrator states this
While yes you're true that if Sukuna shrunk the range of MS it would be stronger, but only from the outside, not within because once again narrator states their domains are equal
The whole "Sukuna needed daddy Rahga" doesn't make sense, he literally says Mahoragha was a simple tool, he only needed a way to deal with limitless himself and Mahoragha was the tool to teach him, and Gojo says in chapter 236 go south that he likely was never going to win even if Sukuna didn't have Megumi's ten shadows. And Sukuna's ice partner also confirms to Hakari that Sukuna, even in the battle with Gojo, has yet to go all out, Sukuna not only had his domain, domain amplification, but also I'm sure he had all the conditions to use furnace?? Ten Shadows and Mahoragha were not needed and its basically told to us like 10 times in 5 different ways. Mahoragha was a simple tool and a stepping stone to better his techniques and deal with any Six eyes and Limitless user if he ever comes across one again.
not to really argue against you or anything but you cant take sukuna or uraume at their words. Like when sukuna talks about how mahoraga is "simply a tool" he's downplaying the importance of mahoraga because he downplays everything, its what he does. Uraume is similar, you cant trust the d1 glazer when they're talking about someone that they view as something akin to a god, its just supremely biased and especially in heated combat its very clear that its 50% taunting to throw off hakari and 50% genuinely believing that sukuna is god on earth.
@@youtubeuserkine This is a good point, I got use to taking them at their word because GeGe normally leaks info through characters as confirmations especially at this point in the story, forgetting he also is giving biased dialog through their personality, the other confirmations come from Gojo though. Him saying "I don't think I would have won, even if he didn't have megumis ten shadows" is all the proof I needed that Sukuna wasn't giving it his all.
so what do u use a tool for? to help right? he wouldnt be using maho if he didnt NEED him LOL
@@yoimiya_ei my guy did u watch the video or not 💀💀. keep coping gojoglazer
@@yoimiya_ei Key word "help" not need, I can use a rock to nail something into wood instead of a hammer, but I coul also use a nail gun. You're forgetting he had other options, and gojo himself said even if he didn't have him. He still would have lost. Furnace, domain amplification, eventually domain Expansion from a different part of his brain since he couldn't expand it the normal way, he simply wanted a was to deal with Limitless, and if he ever comes back, even 1000 years later with a new 6 eyes Limitless user, he'd have a way to deal with him. He only used Maho for that reason.
My 🐐 Ronin making ANOTHER banger analysis. I await the next one, King 🙇♂️
16:05 In theory Sukuna SHOULD be able to cast Hollow Wicker Basket (especially while having 4 arms) before turning off his Sure Hit effect to remain safe.
(I know this may sound crazy, but remember, we literally seen him activate and use Domain Amplification while his domain was active. And that is also essentially a barrier technique)
I just wanna say against meguna mahoragas adaptations are random. So if sukuna got a different second adaptation he’d lose. Vise versa if he got the slash as his first adaptation he’d win.
They aren’t random it’s gradual mahoraga literally just throws itself at the whatever it is enough times till it adapts to the attack it’s been hit with multiple times. God that was a mouthful 😂
@@globalpotaoto6681 the way he adapts is what’s completely random
@@cinderanimations9935It can be. But Maho using a slash attack was not random at all, he is Sukuna's shadow, and Sukuna wanted an adaptation he could use.
@@Aki...544 it sounds like it was completely random “I waited for it to discover another counter 1 I could use” if he could control how maho adapts he would’ve gotten the wcs with the first adaptation.
@@cinderanimations9935He literally tolded mahoraga he is his shadow act like him not like megumi and then buala the world slash happened
I think the main issue most people have with understanding how sukuna wins is that gojo on paper just has stronger traits through his cursed technique but the whole idea is that true form sukuna as a whole verbatim from kashimo has the most ideal functions that a sorcerer can have point blank period. He can trap gojos arms in scuffles and fight like nothings changed with his other two. He can enchant and given his cursed tools if he beats gojo in any amount of domain clashes the fight becomes even more harder with a literal lightning raining down on him while he has to heal from shrine slashes. Meguna was trying to beat the limitless technique as a whole whole true form is simply trying to kill gojo without second thought.
The main issue is Gojo losing, whatever path Sukuna chooses to beat Gojo, Gojo fans would still be pissed off.
The fact that the community needs this kind of video to understand that Sukuna will beat Gojo no matter what while GOJO HIMSELF already stated it in the manga is kinda telling.
i agree with alot of what u said… but one thing i think is important is gojo only has to damage sukuna enough once inside a domain clash (thus landing infinite void) while sukuna can break gojo’s domain multiple times and hit him with slashes from MS. Hence, I think gojo’s domain sure hit is far more potent than Sukunas and could be much more consequential in a fight involving domain clashes. Basically, Gojo would only need to win inside a domain clash once to win the fight as a whole and sukuna would need to outlast or win all of them. (This refers to sukuna without mahoraga).
or he can just fly over MS and spam purple. Or teleport, chill, drinking tea or smt, then use UV when sukuna has CT burnt out after DE
This was a great video and I really like how you tackled the ladder half. 🔥🔥
Yo,that thumbnail is so creative and fitting,never thought of replacing yuji with gojo,pherhaps i will draw it some day
People ignore the fact that Sukuna (Meguna)had to play defensive in terms of h2h ,switch techniques, understand mahoraga model all fir sake of adaptation for WCS..if he went full offensive in fight..it would hinder mahoraga's adaptation...
And still we got to see potential of 10S ..he literally ysed it like Hacker, Megumi wasn't able to use it at this extent -like Sukuna tried adapting without summoning maho (wheel over his head) ,Agito ,almost every shikigami was boosted, sukuna emerging out of shadows in one of panels ,him using shikigami abilities like piercing ,etc.
Hearing a video opening with "Gojo vs Sukuna..." Is so damn nostalgic somehow lol
17:11 WOOOOHHHHH, ALWAYS HAD MY STOCKS ON HEIAN SUKUNA OVER FINAL GOJO. The vid also doesn't say that "words, gestures, dance, music, if left nothing out, boosts a technique to 120%", heian Sukuna can do half of these for free so it's likely he can boost his domain to 110%, subtracting 18 seconds for Sukuna's domain to break Gojo's.
Plus really Heian Sukuna could have just done hollow wicker basket in ch 230, preventing the brain damage from gojo's domain, allowing sukuna to continue using domain while Gojo can't anymore, technically Meguna could do this too, though unlike Heian, he can't fight so he needs mahoraga breaks his domain. Regardless i guess he just didn't do this in the main series because he underestimated UV. This method also really wouldn't work if Gojo just knew to use shrunken domain from the start of the fight.
This video is very smartly player, very thought out and well crafter. Well done
If they were to rematch Gojo would win (Extreme diff ofc)
Lets first discuss their respective "Inventories":
True Form Sukuna:
- Cleave
- Dismantle
- Dismantle net
- WCS (World cutting slash)
- Kamino
- Domain Expansion (MS)
- Change barrier conditions
- Domain Amplification
- Hollow Whicker Basket
- Black Flash
Gojo:
- Blue
- Blue orbs
- Teleportation
- Maximum Output Blue
- Red
- Hollow Purple
- Unlimited Hollow Purple
- Domain Expansion (UV)
- Change barrier condition
- Make his barrrier smaller
- Simple Domain
- Falling Blossom Emotion
- Black Flash
Good now lets move on to their limitations and restrictions
Limitations:
- Sukuna:
1) He was adapting at times meaning he couldn't fight back because he was using Mahoragas wheel and can't use it the same time as DA
2) He didn't have his 4arms and 2 mouths dince he was fighting in megumi a vessel more suited to take down Gojo
3) This time Sukuna doesn't have the 10S (No Agito as ahealing factor and distraction and more imporantley NO mahoraga for the sake of adaptation aka no 3vs1 and 2vs1)
- Gojo
1) Gojos Was seen holding back for the sake of Megumi once UV hit and he pierced his torso instead of decapitating him whilst saying: " I will bring you CLOSER TO DEATH than Yuji at the detention center"
2) After their Domain clashes Gojo was holding back attacks becauause of Mahoragas adaptation "He is only using lapse for the adaptations sake" meaning he was limited in that regard aswell
Now that we established what their previous limitations were. What really happened in the clashes? Well:
Clash 1) Gojo and Sukuna open their domains and since both are equally strong due to the factors discussed, the surehits cancel each other out. We also learn that if one of the two suffers fatal damage, their domain will break and the other person's surehit will land immediately. Since Sukuna's domain has a wider range than Gojo's, she was able to destroy the barrier of Gojo's domain from the outside (the domain barrier is weak from the outside), thus Gojo's domain is broken He countered by using Two Simple Domains and while he was healing himself he healed his burnt out technique so he managed to land a red and escape the effective range. Chapter reference: 225 - 226
Clash 2) Sukuna's domain is still on from the last clash, but Gojo opens a new one and switches the domain conditions. The domain barrier is now weak from the inside and strong from the outside. Sukuna ties this up by expanding the effective range of his domain and making a binding vow around it Surehit to eliminate his domain but the attacks from outside are stronger. Since Sukuna has sacrificed his Surehit, UV takes over s Surehit to avoid certain death, Sukuna goes back and forth with Gojo (Everyone who touches Gojo during the expansion is safe) - (Fun fact Heianera Sukuna wouldn't have known that because he only saw it when he was in Yuji and led Gojo against Jogo DE clash) So the domain from outside breaks and Sukuna wins again Chapter Reference: 227
Clash 3) Gojo reopens his domain and shrinks it to the size of a basketball (He learned this in the Prison Realm) They say with a shrunken DE the barrier outside is stronger. However, Sukuna counters by reducing the range of his DE to make the outside attacks stronger. We don't see what happens inside the DE but we see that both domains break. We then see that Sukuna did enough damage from the outside and Gojo added enough damage that Sukuna could no longer maintain his domain. We also learn that Gojo's shrunken domain can withstand 3min 11sec against Sukuan's slashes ditto: Gojo does enough damage in 3min and 11sec and Sukuna loses Chapter Reference: 227-228
Clash 4) Gojo and Sukuna reopen their domains Gojo closes his again and they fight in H2H - Gojo manages to add enough damage and Sukuna breaks the domain from the outside Chapter Reference: 229
Clash 5) Gojo and Sukuna both open their domains but this time Sukuna was 0.01 seconds too late because he still had to heal himself, 2 minutes and 40 seconds passed and Gojo managed to do enough damage within this time to cause Sukuna's domain to break. Gojo squeezes his heart and says he will bring closer to death so Yuji it was Sukuna counters with the appearance of Mahoraga who has adapted since Megumi's soul took up the process of UV in the first clashes (Heian kuna of course has neither Mahoraga nor Megumi's soul) Chapter Reference: 229
Great now that we have an in depth analasyis on what happened what would have went differently in their clashes If TF Sukuna and Gojo went at it? But before we talk about that lets take a little discourse and discuss Hollow Whicker Basket:
HWB (Hollow Wicker Basket):
The technique is called by a hand signal in which the user folds his fingers under each other and at the same time stretches his arms forward. As the name suggests, Hollow Wicker Basket takes the form of a spherical, woven, basket-like guard that surrounds the user.
It neutralizes the barrier of a domain equipped with a cursed technique to nullify the guaranteed hit. However, it cannot neutralize cursed techniques itself, making it ineffective against incomplete or non-lethal domains
HWB has been used by a total of two characters and a total of three times:
Reggie Star against Megumi in chapter 171 - Unlucky as Megumi's domain is incomplete and HWB cannot cancel the surehit.
Hajime Kashimo vs Hakari wanted to use it but didn't
Ryomen Sukuna vs. Yuta in Chapter: 249 to neutralize his DE but he had to leave HWB on and use two arms and a mouth for it
Ryomen Sukuna against Yuji in Chapter: 266 to prevent the surehit of his DE he also tells us here that HWB and SD might be overpowered and to compensate for this he constantly lifts the two hands together he doesn't say that Yuji's soul punches break it but that they can't be healed so of course they also bring down the output As soon as he can't keep the hands together anymore HWB is no longer there and luckily he was able to restore his Burned out CT in time to expand his domain.
We have also seen that HWB is not effective against flucj techniques i.e. blue, red, purple, etc in the case of Satoru Gojo blue is an attractive mass which allows gojo to pull force full stuff or "pull" it away he also uses this in the fight against sukuna to throw him to the ground or throw him against the wall in the first H2H exchange.
Before we talk about how the clashes would play out. What are their Wincons:
- Sukuna:
1) DE: He can win via MS if Gojo overstrains himself >5 times and doesn't manage to land UV
2) If we include WCS its a wincon alltough Gojo can tp since Sukuna has to chant and point
- Gojo
1) De: If Gojo gets UV off its game over for True Form Sukuna
2) Hollow Purple/Unlimited Hollow Purple: Is proving out fatal if Gojo deals enough damage before hand
In conclusion to their wincons we can safely say: If Sukuna isn't able to win via DE clashes he loses the same goes vice versa however: If somehow they were to stalemate DEs and fight without DEs Gojo would Win in a mid-High diff manner.
Ok now we pretty much established everything besides what would happen in that TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash:
TF Sukuna vs Gojo DE Clash:
As established True Form Sukuna has no 10S and can focus 100% on fighting with double the amount of arms and a additional mouth for chants
So what exactly would it boil down to I mean Gojo shrinks his barrier and they fight... Sukunas Goal is to stall 3minutes and Gojos is to deal enough damage in 3min meaning it would boil down to mainly a single factor: H2H combat
H2H: In their previous H2H encounters we have seen Gojo be superior with (DA and without DA) whilst Gojo also 3cs1 ed a 12ft adapted Mahoraga, a distraction and healing factor called Agito and Sukuna anf was handling them (Tbf he did have a BF amp but its doesnt change the fact it was a 3vs1) and TF Sukzna had not really shown us good H2H feats either against the likes of Maki, Yuji, Yuta, Yuji, Kusakabe alltough he was in a weakened state lets not forget Gojo was aswell (His rct output was on the decline and he had 1 arm at one point) But here are the H2H stats (I didnt count all the hits in the 3vs1 for Gojo so Sukuna has an enormous advantage here:
Sukuna:
Attacks: 13
Blocks: 9
Dodges: 7
Connects: 1
Grapples: 1
Striking percentage: 7.6%
Gojo:
Attacks: 20
Blocks: 7
Dodges: 5
Connects: 4
Grapples: 3
Striking percentage: 20%
In conclusion Gojo defense and offensepercentages were better "BuT Da WasN'T AlWAyS oN" yes but he nevertheless threw punches and Gojos defense was better also even if we exclude da Gojo leads the percdntages by 10% menaing there is no doubt about it also as I mentioned I didnt even count the punches for the 3vs1 if we were to include those then Maho only landed 1 attack on Gojo because it caught him offguarfd... Funfact Sukunas only landed attack was one that caught him offguard aswell
TF Sukunas H2H stats against the shinjuku squad were pitiful but lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was in critical condition
In conclusion Gojos H2H is just better even when 3 people were versing him
Now we gathered all the info we need so what do I think would hapoen in their clashes, well thats simple: Gojo and Sukuna would fight and as the clashes go on the damage would eventually acummulate and Gojo woudl win via inflicting enough damage as he did in their real fight (So he wins by either dealing enough damage to the point sukua can't maintain his de anymore or until he gives himself that 0.01 sec advantage that could reoccur anytime. Looking at it mathematically Gojo has a higher chance of winning more times which is why the winner is:
WINNER: SATORU GOJO (EXTREME DIFF)
16:13
sukuna didint need to turn off his sure hit. he could have broken it from inside of the domain, gojo says that himself in chapter 228(or at least gojo says he could have at least tried)
and as for the purple yeah most likely if gojo doesn't go cannon way of throwing out purple at the start then sukuna wouldnt know about it
kusakabe debunks this
@@Sakura_is_herstop spreading misinformation
Sukuna said that gojo was forced to use purple in a roundabout way because sukuna wouldn’t let it slide
I personally think the only way sukuna won was because he outsmarted gojo (also because gege loves sukuna i guess)
The simple answer is that Sukuna is stronger than Gojo, a 20 fingers sukuna, fighting in his actual body and no help, is still stronger
19:29 there is no evidence to support that Gojo is actually a better h2h combatant than Sukuna either. All the times they’ve had a h2h scenario Gojo had either used his CT(like him using blue to amp his physical capabilities) or just been amped by black flash and even then Gojo whole under the effects of black flash hasn’t shown much other than throwing Sukuna. so Sukuna without his true form would at the very least be equal to Gojo in h2h so if you were to add 4 hands which he obviously would be more comfortable with and him to have no Mahoraga then I’d say he’s definitely better in h2h
Another interesting thought is that if a true form sukuna (or just him from the heian era) has an easier time with breaking gojos domain, he would likely have an opportunity to heat up his furnace, and if he does, it is almost certainly going to kill gojo if used within his domain expansion.
Yep, and I think with four hands, he can avoid that unlimited void he was hit with, and he can definitely do better in hand-to-hand combat.
You know that Gojo can teleport out of Sukuna domain?
For some reason binding vows and teleportation were removed from Gojo's arsenal
@@luxowaty5858 so sukuna will make binding vows again
@@luxowaty5858 not instantly, since he would temporarily suffer from technique burnout, and would take at least a short period of time to heal said burnout using RCT.
Gojo has never been shown using a binding vow. (aside from perhaps revealing ones hand against jogo but that is one that many many characters have done)
And binding vows i think is more to do with their characters and showing why sukuna is the strongest in history. Unlike gojo, he would have had far more difficult battles 1000 years ago, so he had to optimise his jujutsu via binding vows in order to become the strongest, wheras gojo has had no need for binding vows since he has had an easy time, through his brute strength and technique, in almost every encounter aside from toji, and now sukuna. Gojo verbatim says that his CT is better than sukunas, yet sukuna can keep up with him (even without the ten shadows, gojo literally states this)
@@upliftlizard1715 You said taat sukuns would have better time breaking Gojo's domain. If gojo was fighting heian sukuna with 4 arms etc he could just avoin domain battle so no burnout on his end. Binding vows were geges solutions to push story forward so we get actual mc fight sukuna.
Hi didn't use Gojo's full arsenal and then staten that "Gojo gave his all". That's just bullshit writing.
I would rather had Gojjo and Sukuna kill eachother and other sorcerers fight merged curse from kenny.
Sukuna's True Form vs Gojo is tricky only because we don't have enough knowledge to say that Gojo would lose even if Sukuna won every domain clash because Gojo survived Malevolent Shrine for minutes at a time twice so there's no reason to assume he would lose upon his domain collapsing the 3rd or 4th time, the question really lies in whether or not Gojo is able to keep Sukuna from opening his domain. If Malevolent Shrine isn't an option, even with World Cutting Slash Sukuna loses to Gojo because he will lose in close quarters and his one attack that can really damage Gojo requires charge up that means he'd never get to fire it off like how he couldn't use Furnace in the Manga fight. Sukuna still definitely has the advantage but it think that he wouldn't have as easy of a time as people tend to think.
Question, when we're comparing Heian Sukuna and Gojo, are we assuming Sukuna went through Shinjuku and attained World Cutting Dismantle or are we assuming this would be Sukuna without the prior Mahoraga adaption? If it's the former I'd say Gojo would still put up a somewhat decent fight and if it's the former he would probably have him on the ropes
Sukuna can just close his barrier therefore and kill him with fuga, or literally just use a dismantle and it would immediately kill gojo just like it did in the Canon fight. World cutting slashing isn't necessarily stronger than any other dismantle it's just the target has changed making it more effective especially against techniques like limitless. Also 4 arms would allow sukuna to dominate close quarters pretty handedly. People like to act like gojp is the better combatant h2h, but when you actually read the fight the only time gojo is winning h2h is when he's using blue and even then sukuna takes no significant damage from the blue throws. Even when gojo uses blue to the sukuna into his fist sukuna still reacts and blocks. I believe people have this perception because of the nature of gojos techniques and the way he uses blue to Amp himself and also the fact the he "1v3'd" even though sukuna wasn't involved more than a kick and a makeshift piercing blood.
@@Subpar1O1 the only thing there is that Sukuna with World Cutting Slash would have the binding vow meaning he has to chant, make hand signs, and point at the target meaning Gojo could prevent him from chanting or doing the hand signs (like Sukuna preventing Yuta from using Purple) and even if he can't Gojo can see where he's pointing even if he can't see the slash and by virtue of being faster than Maki he'd be able to dodge it.
@Six-bw3ir a couple things. #1 is that Sukuna can't use Furnace against Gojo because he would never get the start-up time in order to fire off the technique which is why he never tried to use it against Gojo, the same reason Gojo had to work so hard to fire off a second Purple. Second, the World Cutting Slash is absolutely more powerful than other dismantles because Gojo and Yuta are put out of commission by it and regular dismantles and cleaves were pretty much shrugged off, in Gojo's case he was literally being hit by dozens of dismantles per second in Sukuna's domain multiple times. In terms of Gojo not being superior hand-to-hand that's just objectively wrong Sukuna was getting minced in the hand-to-hand for the entire fight and despite that not being shown to do significant damage for most of the fight it happens twice in the domain battles when Sukuna's domain collapses and he has a big black spot fight in the middle of his chest and is bleeding out of the mouth (obviously implying Gojo hit him in the chest) and when Gojo sticks his entire fucking hand in his chest after Infinite Void hits. Also Gojo knocks him out when he lands the Black Flash but I get why that can be written off because of the 2.5x power and the fact he just got hit by red. If Sukuna really thought he could throw hands with Gojo he wouldn't have been hiding behind Agito and Mahoraga he would have been in there with him and when he does go in Gojo grabs him and throws him into Mahoraga opening the door for Gojo to fire off purple.
@noriskgaming8312 #1 heien sukuna has 4 arms for a reason, he can charge the attack and fight simultaneously. The reason WCS seem more powerful are because he actively charges them using handsigns and chants, which are known to boost output exponentially, gojo does the same with the second purple he hit sukuna with towards the end of their battle.
H2h literally reread the fight I'm sure you are working of pure memory (which isn't reliable at all), there is no point where gojo actually does significant damage h2h or any damage for the matter the most he lands are a black flash. There is literally a point in the fight when gojo tries to trick sukuna by using an illusion technique similar to what killua does in hxh and sukuna easily blocks and counter and gojo is clearly suprised sukuna was able to do this. Like I said the only time gojo ever has the upper hand is when he uses blue to ragdoll sukuna, which sukuna can only counter if he uses DA. Which he actively avoids throughout the fight. You also assume gojo used his hands to peirce sukunas chest while in domain when that could just as easily have been a red which is more likely.
Lastly, no sukuna purposefully got hit by the red, he literally stood there and used DA on purpose just to see if it would do any damage. And yes sukuna wasn't on the front lines majority of the 3v1 not because he was scared but because he was stalling the fight for mahoraga to adapt its the reason why he goes for the more annoying play of just poking at gojo. Hiding behind agito clearly didn't and wouldn't work agito is not a top tier shikigami, at least not when in battle with gojo and sukuna. It just gets destroyed and fodderized.
Like I said by nature of mahoragas abilities sukuna HAS TO tank all of gojos different abilities in order to adapt of course he's going to let gojo get some licks in if he want to evolve his technique. Dare you to go back and read chp. 232 pg. 5-6 sukuna literally gets hit by gojo, the wheel spins and sukuna is smiling. If that doesn't imply he's getting hit on purpose to adapt idk what does
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"why I didn't include them"
shows Kenjaku with purple aura...
Ronin associates himself with Kenjaku? 🤔
Great video) Yes, honestly, Gojo really IS handicaped by the lack of information, and Sukuna benefits from it so much. But here's one only question that bugs me - can't Gojo just escape Sukunas domain with blue at any moment, not having to fight it? Yes, it's probably not in character, at least initially, but after frying his brain... Why not just get out of the 200 meter range in a second, making Sukuna waste his cursed energy on domain?
one would assume that it has a range limit
@@garfleguyStill, it wouldn't be crazy for him to use it consecutively then. Gojo just wouldn't do it, i guess.
He can,that's why sukuna used DA
@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei But I thought DA just coates your body, your hands for example? How is that in the way?
@@garfleguy True but Hakari states that even if MS stretched from the location of the fight in Shinjuku all the way to Shibuya (about 4.5km), Gojo could still teleport out of the range. Although as established that's probably not something Gojo would do.
Sukuna literally dominated in domain expansion 😂 heian era sukuna would eventually cook Gojo without needing Mahorage , malevolent shrine with flame arrow would tip the scales to finish off a brain dead Gojo, no world slash needed.
So why didn’t he do it against yuta in gojos body😂 + the “ flame arrow “ doesn’t do shit against gojo since it can’t touch him that’s why he didn’t use it
Couldn't be done. He explicitly said he needed Megumi for Gojo
@@fortniteViral711 he had 1 arm left lmfao
And output nerfed by yuji before
Do we even read?
@@StrayTatoHe never stated that he just used mahoraga like a calculator to find a way faster to make his dismantle be stronger
@StrayTato where tf did he explicitly says that? Yall lie like we can't fact check the manga 🤣🤣
Firstly, it is an extreme diff fight for both. Sure Sukuna "wanted to improve as a sorcerer", but there were most definitely points in the fight where he was near death on multiple occasions. Secondly, if Gojo can find a way of damaging Sukuna enough to restrict domain expansion (he definitely could, an argument can't be made that "he wouldn't touch him" because that is flawed), then UV lands, it is game over. Still a very, very close fight in all forms.
How will uv land lol malevolent shrine will always be far better than uv in domain clash . True form is def far more closer to gojo in h2h combat his durability is unmatched . Gojo cant really do any meaningful damage in h2h combat or red or blue to true form sukuna ( tanked everything without rct) . His only win condition is to land hollow purple not once but atleast twice or thrice to win the battle which sukuna woundnt let him do as he would be on the offensive this time . Gojos brain getting fried due to de spamming and sukuna will always come out on top w high-ext diff
This is why I respect gojo even more. Anyone who obviously knew they didn’t have a chance fighting Sukuna would have been frightened. And would have backed off. On the other hand gojo probably knew at one point of the fight against sukuna he wouldn’t, win but he still fought like a champ absolute W.
Gojo fans coping in the comment section is hilarious they just can accept 🤣🤣
@@levenup6423 nah sukuna ain't winning without plotarmor the only reason he survived is because Gojo is not the MC
Ahh yes, sukuna + mahoraga + agito + ten shadows tied with gojo but somehow sukuna is still stronger. Mfs just don’t read the manga gojo is so much stronger and it’s not even close. Gojo literally was going to kill sukuna with a shot of hollow purple right before mahoraga jumped in and again gojos second hollow purple would have also been far away from gojo and gojo would be out of range of the world cutting slash if sukuna didn’t cry out for mahoraga to come save him. 2 definitive examples of gojo beating sukuna if sukuna didn’t jump him. Sukuna also said himself he couldn’t beat infinity at all without raga. When referring to bypassing infinity sukuna said “That was something I could not do, so I waited. I waited until I could obtain an adaptation that would match your inviolability.” That’s also shows even with mahoraga sukuna couldnt bypass infinity it worked around it which is still bullshit since it’s repeatedly stated you would need a DE or be microscopic to get past infinity. On top of that there’s all of sukunas literally impossible binding vows that gege wrote him to cheat with. Sukuna, while with Megumi and mahoraga, while making impossible binding vows, while also literally contradicting statements made about infinity barely snuck out a win and was in critical condition afterwards. This is all without saying that every single one of gojos domains beat sukunas and sukuna used Megumi soul to tank the UVs if he didn’t have Megumi he would’ve been dead after 1 domain. Sukuna was at 100% power in megumis body so unless you’re really gonna make the case that 2 of sukunas arms are many times stronger than mahoraga and agito combined then sukuna loses. On top of all that Gege himself said gojo is stronger! “So is there anyone other than Gojo-the strongest character in the manga- who can use limitless?!” And gege said in a recent exhibition interview “Other than domain expansion, sukuna has no other way to bypass infinity.” Gojo won the domain clash and tanked 4 MSs there’s no domain in the verse stopping him. Gojo is still stronger.
Who ordered the yappachino 😭
@ who ordered the cope with real facts?
@@Waltuh_P you could have said allat in less than 4 sentences 😭 you just yapped
@ that’s a weird way of saying big words scare you🫵🤣
@@Waltuh_P big words? more like a lot of words. were you trying to write an essay? you citied your sources and provided evidence for your arguments, do you want me to proofread your work? 😄
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kinda crazy that shibuya gojo is the weakest of the main gojo and sukuna forms
Simply cooked. Love the fact that it can still go either way in end with these two. They truly had a Jujutsu Kaisen.
“When it comes down to it…my limitless is far better” still gives me chills
since 20 finger meguna hurt gojo alot with the first domain, wouldnt 20 finger Heian sukuna with extra hands, mouth just kill gojo in the first clash?
yeah he would just grab him with all 4 arms and forcefully make him stay inside the domain until hes sliced beyond recognition
@@Am-fp7pn that has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
@@Jxrmainn smartest thing tbh
My soldiers cope.
I think a point that is severely missed here is that Gojo was LANDING his unlimited voids on sukuna, but megumi was being used to tank them, if not for that sukuna would be cooked in the first domain clash, and I’m assuming that outside source of using megumi doesn’t apply here. Also it was shown on multiple occasions that Gojo was able to just straight up tank Sukunas domain for minutes at a time without much issue, so even if sukuna gets domains off, Gojo would still survive, whereas if Gojo gets his Domain off for even 1 second, it’s over for sukuna, and let’s not forget the fact that Sukuna did technically get hit multiple times by unlimited void, but he made megumis soul bear the burden of it, however when it caught him for literally .01 seconds, it left him without domain and severe brain damage. The subject of black flash was also never touched upon in this video, as during the fight, after gojo got his black flash off, the fight became much more dominant in gojos favor, even in a 2v1 gojo vs maho and sukuna, untill of course the world slash, in fact I’d say if gojo gets a black flash off while still having access to domain expansion, the fight is over and gojo would win due to being at 120% and getting his domain of faster or breaking sukunas barrier before his shatters, and this is a fair point since when gojo and sukuna where going hand to hand, no outside influences, gojo knocked him out cold and would’ve won then and there if not for mahoraga intervention, gojo is clearly the far better hand to hand combatant and would feasibly land black flashes especially when his focus isn’t on fighting 10s ON TOP of sukuna
Gojo landed 1 unlimited void* and considering Sukuna changed his strategy because he has the 10s it is not like it would repeat itself. If I was fighting a infant then I would be less careful that they hit me than if I fought a full grown man. Also it serves an effect of mental problems for gojo as he would be hurting megumi if he used it again.
Sukuna won 3 of the domain clashes. Sukunas domain has been shown to be able to overpower gojos and with his 4 arms he can now fight hand to hand while in his domain which disables gojos infinity. If you wanna talk about black flash then it goes more towards sukunas favor. He landed more black flashes than Gojo has in his lifetime in his fights of the latest chapters, also no it did not become more dominant in his favor since Sukuna was stated to not be nervous at all until the last purple. The fight was not more dominant against maho and sukuna because as gojo stated sukuna was holding back and the reason for the world slash is mahoraga so he lost that ''2v1''. Sukuna gets off more black flashes than gojo as I proved above. Gojo was winning in hand to hand when he was in his meguma form but Gojo and Kashimo both said that his 4 armed form is a significant increase. just 4 arms by itself is a massive boost but he can also do chanting while fighting. Gojo has been said to be able to think for 1 minute in 10 seconds so his focus would not make him stronger.
To state evidence for sukuna winning below:
Sukuna was stated in the fight to not be scared or in trouble at all until the last purple
Kashimo implies that Sukunas true form is stronger than his 10s form (He didn't know if sukuna still had the 10s or not at that point)
Gojo stated that Sukuna is stronger than him while holding back
Gojo said that Sukuna without the 10s would more than likely beat him. Btw Gojo didn't know about Sukunas true form at this point so he is talking about the Yuji version.
In character Sukuna got the 10s so that he would not struggle against Gojo, the reason for this is (as yuta confirmed) that he wanted to save his true form until he beat gojo so that he could fight the other students, it doesn't mean the he NEEDED it.
The feats of a heavily fatigued sukuna is more impressive than anything that Gojo has shown.
He then beat Gojo again when Yuta took over his body. Btw Yuta had the exact same amount of strength as Gojo just less experience and this Sukuna which had been fighting Yuji, maki, yuta, higaruma, choso, todo, kashimo and gojo was still able to deal with him.
Now the argument for Gojo winning is: ''He can't get through infinity''
This is false since domain expansion and domain amplification are both stated to be able to bypass it. Sukunas true form can do chanting while hitting someone so his domain amplification would be stronger than in his 10s form. He also has way more durability feats than gojo.
He has more experience aswell and we still haven't even seen his other CT's.
@@shutup3338 what he meant is that Gojo's domain sure hit targeted everything in the domain, but sukuna's sure hit targeted everything within the domain EXCEPT himself. which mean, that he should take the burden of UV in the first DE clash. however due to Suk used meg to tank it, Suk is fine
@@ReynardNathaniel Yea ik that. And what I am saying is that the reason sukuna got hit is because it didn't matter to him. Infact it was a positive since gojo would be burdened with hurting megumi. Even if you say this is headcanon there is way more proof for sukuna being able to win w/o the 10s
Heian Sukuna is the only relevant measure for strength against Gojo, Meguna is pure fraud.
And yes heian Sukuna wins but only because his open domain is super haxed against any domian with a closed barrier, not because he is overall stronger than Gojo.
Of course even with the small barrier Gojo coud win, he just have to wait a coupe minutes to restore his burnt out CT or don't engage in domain fight at all and if Sukuna open his domain he coud just teleport, if Sukuna closes the barrier Gojo coud break it from inside or open his own domain.
But he had to lose for the story to continue.
@shutup3338 without 10S sukuna will lose. It's a fact. DE clashes? Either the gang tell Gojo abt open domain and Gojo leanr how to do it, OR just avoid any DE clash, teleport, and spam purple.
No maho means no WCS. AND itvalso means that Gojo can play the long game here, since there is no risk for adaptability.
But again, we will just agree to disagree abt this anyway. So there is no point ant this as it is just a waste of time
As a Gojo MeatRider..I can even be mad this shi is valid lool
You got to love the debate. I am sure there are more to come by others.
I personally put Shinjuku Gojo above 4-Armed Sukuna. It all comes down to what you assume 4-Arms does to Sukuna's H2H performance and whether or not he could perform well enough to not let Gojo eventually get off his Domain Expansion faster.
Which at the end of the day will always be an assumption because we have not seen anyone who could compete with Sukuna (H2H wise) at Gojo's level to even have a valid opinion on what would happen.
Plus when you bring in the fact that there are OTHER ways Gojo can fight against Sukuna's Open Domain such as just teleporting out. ESPECIALLY if you give Gojo knowledge of Sukuna's Open Domain BEFORE THE FIGHT. Gojo can simply teleport out, teleport back and use Domain Expansion on Sukuna. Since Gojo never created "Curse Technique Repair", Sukuna would not have knowledge on the fact he can recover his burnt out technique faster (since we have NO knowledge Sukuna knew of this BEFORE Gojo did it).
See? KNOWLEDGE plays a big part into the victor when you are talking about these two. I wish UA-camrs would equal the playing field by giving Gojo knowledge of Sukuna's technique. But that would be unfair right..?
If Sukuna didn’t allow gojo to use purple then why would he become able teleport out nor does that solve actual problem considering his domain is still up and if gojo is allowed to teleport then Sukuna could just hide gojo’s shadow. Considering no one in the cast, thought it was possible to heal your burned out technique that means gojo created it
@@Kingcrimson_1456 Gojo would teleport out of Sukuna's Open Domain. Wait for it to stop, then use his Domain. It solves the problem perfectly. We do not know the conditions to Gojo teleporting so it is valid to assume he can do so.
The point of that scenario is to show that ANYONE can create biased scenarios to get the outcome they want. Since we have no knowledge of how Sukuna would compete against Gojo in H2H, it comes down to whether or not you believe Sukuna with 4 Arms is equal to or outperforms Gojo in H2H. It comes down to ultimately who you want to be better. That is why I dislike debates like this.
I personally say Gojo is stronger but I am fine with saying they are equal. Obviously everyone has their own opinions.
@@Tojiii bro, domains don’t have a time limit they can choose to end it whenever they want to not to mention, both of them can open their domains multiple times a day. The only reason why they restarting their brains in the first place is because both of the domains broke, causing burnout. also, every time Gojo teleports on screen, he shown doing an hand sign
@@Kingcrimson_1456 Domains don't need a time limit. He has a CE limit. Which eventually would be depleted overtime.
They only became able to open Domains more than once without suffering curse technique burn out when Gojo created "Curse Technique Repair" and then Sukuna copied him. If Gojo never shows that to Sukuna then Sukuna therefore should not have knowledge of it. There is no proof Sukuna knew of that beforehand. Which means he would suffer Curse Technique Burn Out allowing Gojo to then use his Domain Expansion.
@@Tojiii domains consuming more CE overtime is never stated the longer it’s activated and even if were the case Sukuna has cursed energy than gojo and they’re efficiency is said to be equal so either way Gojo gonna have sit there for a long ass time
Sukuna will always win because he is smarter than gojo. He will finesse his way to a W every time
Bro didnt end shit with this video
Glazing sakuna in the begging bro smh
For some further thoughts Kenjaku felt comfortable enough for 15 finger Sukuna to protect him when Gojo emerged from the prison realm
Heinan sukuna would beat the strongest version of gojo by using his domain, meguma was losing the 1v1 inside the domain because he had 2 arms and didn't use 10s (aside from the weel), gojo realistically can't beat heinan sukuna
W video
Before I start I still think 4 arm Sukuna would find some vow to benefit him so this isn’t a Gojo insta win thing.
Anyways, against Heian Sukuna for the domain fights and the 3 minute thing that was brought up, I think it would actually be a disadvantage, hear me out.
Gojo’s goal during DE clash was too deal/pile up enough damage to Sukuna to the point he can’t maintain his domain while Sukuna’s was to endure until his open domain destroys Gojo’s barrier. Playing defense is much easier than offense in a fight unless you are overwhelmingly stronger to your opponent and I don’t believe that Sukuna gets a stat buff from his true form besides size, which is one of the flaws imo, since Gojo just needs to deal damage, Sukuna’s increase in size would actually be a disadvantage because he would need more energy to recover. This along with the fact that he wouldn’t have raga’s wheel to reduce the dmg taken makes me believe Gojo would have a better advantage and the 3 minute clashes.
Overall, if it played out like in the manga, I think Gojo would have more of a advantage but Sukuna would probably still pull out some binding vow to win, I just wanted to express this :/
Sukunas extra arms and mouth would be a very decent advantage no matter what. If it’s heian era sukuna it’s a decent chance either could win with it leaning more towards gojo. Full form sukuna post kashimo fight would genuinely make it hard for anyone to argue gojo wins
Problem is any time sukuna tries using binding vows gojo would spin back.
@@AhmadKazan-wk7eispin back and get shredded by MS or be roasted by Furnace
@@globalpotaoto6681 nah post kashimo sukuna gets dogged by gojo since he cant used domain
@@ginnogianni1980 You know what he means
good vid 😊
I lowkey feel like gege wants it to be like naruto and sasuke where it’s kinda like a “they will draw 9/10 “ type vibe (ik people say naruto is stronger in the end of they very last fight since he was holding back BUUUUUT my point still stands)
He absolutely would've won without Ten Shadow's. Hell when you look at all the details you quickly realize that Sukuna had far better ways to win, but they would've been so boring by comparison.
He really didnt. He couldnt use fuga and gojo had ways to deal with domain or figured new ways out.
@@somerandomperson5473 Gojo notes that Sukuna is only using the CT granted to his domain and later on we learn Sukuna could only use Domain Amplification in small bursts as to not interrupt Mahoragas Adaption.
Gojo would take too long to damage Sukuna if he was using Domain Amplification constantly as it would Minimize Blue and Red making purple the only sure-fire way to deal enough damage and that would be hard to pull off since Sukuna can now fight back rather then being a punching bag for Gojo.
If Sukuna wasn't using Mahoraga he could hit Gojo with Dismantles whenever his Infinity was down. Exhausting Gojos RCT even faster as it would add on more damage that Gojo would have to heal.
Gojo would struggle to destroy Sukunas domain, Sukuna wouldn't play risky and would he more careful of Unlimited Void, Gojos RCT wouldn't be able to keep up and he'd eventually be torn to shreds. Without Mahoraga being a factor and if Gojo let go of his pride he could attempt to run away with his long distance Teleportation.
Even then Sukuna wouldn't just let Gojo teleport as we saw back during the sports festival with Hanami that Gojo would rather use purple then his Teleportation usage when going after an enemy from far away. This must mean that long range Teleportation takes longer. Sukuna wasn't giving Gojo time to use purple, no way he'd let Gojo use Teleportation.
Mahoraga was the most entertaining option for Sukuna and nothing more. Ryomen Sukuna is the strongest.
Things that Sukuna would do differently:
1. No playing Risky
2. Constant Domain Amplification
3. Dismantles when Infinity is down
Results:
1. Wouldn't be touched by Infinite Void
2. Gojo struggles to deal serious damage
3. Gojo's RCT would exhaustes faster
Gojo's RCT is exhausted and he is torn apart or he loses his Domain and is also torn apart. He's cooked and Sukuna wouldn't even need to use his Heian Era form.
@@unoriginalandunfunny1563ur completely delusional keep believing what u want... Just understand how domain amplification and infinity works..... And who the hell would save sukuna when infinite void hit??
“Absolutely” when he had no way to bypass infinity without 10 shadows or domain expansion(which gojo tanked) that’s why he got the technique and why he reincarnated after gojo was gone
@@damariojackson3919 to bypass infnity he used domain amplifications
I do not see a way for Sukuna to win without Mahoraga
bro did not watch the video
Domain expansion
@@redemption5763most gojo fans ignore the obvious
Sukuna was always stronger than gojo. If you read the fight with comprehension then you know sukuna handicapped himself for mahoraga. Gojo would stand no chance against 4 arm sukuna. Sukuna was literally tanking Gojo’s attacks to let mahoraga adapt.
If that were the case, his moments of using domain amplification every single time would've beat or outlasted Gojo in hand to hand encounters. But even in a 3 v 1 he couldn't get the upper hand on Gojo. And if all he wanted was Mahoragas adaptation, why do the stupid thing and halt the process by using domain amplification? He needed Mahoraga. That simple.
@UnifiedEntity ye, and sukuna in megumi would've most definitely be physically weaker, so why use domain amp then if your physically weaker than you should be and making mahoraga adapt would've been easier than domain amp
Thats the stupidest headcanon ever.
Literaly every implication including the statements sukuna made to gojo at the end of the fight massively imply That sukunas gameplan and win con to defeat gojo was mahoraga.
Yet you somehow come to the conclusion that mahoraga was a handicap despite all the evidence including the fight itself pointing otherwise.
Sukuna never intentionally tanked gojos attacks for adaption, that was never stated even once it was literaly shown in the fight that sukuna was ACTIVELY AVOIDING gojos attacks in an attempt to minimize damage while the wheel was adapting to infinity.
@@UnifiedEntity Sukuna wasn’t using domain amplification that much throughout the clashes nor did he use it much after outside of a few instances. Everytime sukuna does use domain amplification gojo could never overpower him and sukuna even got in strikes.
Sukuna went into the fight with the goal of obtaining a model from mahoraga, that was said in 236. He used domain amplification to counter gojo whenever he needed to like when he used it to reduce the damage from a red. His RCT output was already low, so why would he incur unnecessary damage if he can minimize it? Sukuna barely used domain amplification throughout the fight, he literally had mahoraga’s wheel active for most of it.
Sukuna barely participated in that 3v1 and it’s not like he could touch gojo because of his infinity. Mahoraga was the only being there that could erase infinity and sukuna/agito could only attack gojo if they timed their attacks with mahoraga(ex: sukuna using”piercing blood” to hit gojo while his infinity is disabled by mahoraga). Majority of the time it was just mahoraga and agito(agito still couldn’t touch gojo without attacking with mahoraga). Not to mention gojo was amped by black flash during that entire part of the fight which is a luck based boost. He wouldn’t start off a hypothetical fight with a black flash amp.
Sukuna didnt need mahoraga, gojo was simply the inferior sorcerer. Sukuna is stronger than gojo in almost every way, gojo literally glazed sukuna and said he didn’t go all out. You should lay off the copium.
@@coolguy2058I mean kinda of was due Sukuna needing to switch between domain amp and and adaptation
This is why I love watching your vids no glazing keeping it real
I agree with most of these but it must be stated that sukuna had to pull out the infinite power of jumpjutsu that he hadn't used since the Heian era and make it a 3 on 1. also he on multiple occasions had to call on his daddy big raga to save him and develop the world cutting slash to bypass infinity. the main examples besides the world cutting slash is that he had to have mahoraga adapt to red, blue, purple(the time made mahoraga tank the hit for him so he only nearly died also works here) and adapt to his domain expansion so he wouldn't need to be so worried about it also though it can be stated gojo is usually correct he is not always. For example he said "time doesn't pass in the prison realm" where that is not the case because he would have to be able to move in negative time, which he definitely cant do because if he could he would. it can be argued he was overestimating meguna and he almost killed him, which is iffy at best. also this wasn't a a sukuna that had to bear the weight of big ragas adaptation, megumi was doing that for him (unwillingly). Overall I agree but I thought I might as well make some counter arguments that could be made. Thank you to anyone who responds politely and I will say I'm not perfect on the details here since I haven't read that fight in about 8 or so months, and have a notoriously bad memory, so please correct me if I got anything wrong.
Didn’t Gege state that if sukuna didn’t have mahoraga he would’ve lost the fight? Big raga was really the deciding factor in it, whoever had him would’ve won
Gege never said that, and did you watch the video?
That was never said, Gojo said the opposite actually. He says "I might not have beat him even without the 10 Shadows" which is bullshit frankly but the implication is that Gojo was never decided to be the victor
Gojo fans just be making up shit🤦🏻♂️
Never said don’t listen to things you find on Wikipedia
Gojo fans just making up sh*t now
I still find it crazy that if yuji told gojo about his memories from shibuya, gojo just wins off CT RCT.
sukuna said gojo is stronger with martial arts
After the 1st domain clash, Gojo can heal his CT and launch a domain expansion before sukuna could recover his own.
@@Chris-ph9hiSukuna didn’t even need to recover it yet because his didn’t break the only thing he actually did was just expand the range
@Kingcrimson_1456 hence "if yuji told gojo about his memories from shibuya". He could make the shrinking domain, the break at the same time. Gojo wins off healing his CT
@@Chris-ph9hi If Sukuna focuses more on da then he did adaptation or simply just broke gojo domain from the inside then probably not
Why do people keep forgetting that Gojo and rest of the cast's main goal is to save Megumi that was the reason that Maki went for the heart instead of head and similar way Gojo was spamming UV to catch Sukuna in it and bring him near death to save Megumi
Gojo literally said he wasn’t gonna hold back in the start of the fight did u even read? Or are u just coping rn tryna say Gojo held back😂
@@king_chungus he never said anything about holding back, learn reading comprehension. You legitimately can read the panel where gojo says he'll bring Sukuna closer to death than he's ever been, not literally kill him. That doesn't mean anyones holding back lol.
@king_chungus He also said he would win :)
When he trapped Sukuna in UV he states he would bring Sukuna *NEAR DEATH* if he had just used HP he would have won but Megumi would have also died, similarly last HP would have killed Sukuna if it had directly hit (stated by Sukuna himself) but Gojo used a blast to cover a big radius to again bring Sukuna near death.
Now does your slow teenage brain gets it?
@@YuviSG02 Gojo was going to kill Sukuna in uv but mahoraga broke it and he tried to kill Sukuna with hollow nuke now does ur baby brain get it?
@king_chungus You didn't even read the fight did you? Gojo literally states that he will bring Sukuna/Megumi even closer to death than Yuji/Sukuna was after the center incident (When Sukuna pulled Yuji's heart out and then made a binding vow with him)
So basically what im getting out of this is sukuna could of just went full beserk with his heian form and spammed Malevolent shrine to finish gojo off but choose the riskier route with mahoraga to get stronger
pretty much yeah
This was a great breakdown of the fights.
1:14 19 finger form as Meguna
20 Fingers basically.
19 fingers + Mommified head (Sukuna stated that this would cover up for his last finger)
@@TipoIrritable Ahh forgot about the mummified head
@@TipoIrritable but then wouldnt that mean hes still not at full power?
20/21
the head confirms sukunas cursed energy isnt just stored in his fingers
@@Am-fp7pn Yes Sukuna fought Gojo with only 19 fingers + mummified head(19F Statement from Megumi words)
If we only include fingers, it's 20
But including his mummified head(1Finger= mummified head) would put it to 21F(All parts)
He consumed the old body putting his strength at full power
the debate ended a year ago when we saw gojo say hello to everyone in the afterlife, don't know why glazers are taking this so far. gojo lost simple ggs no re
@luhtonka3946 Sukuna only won thanks to megumi techniques. Also, gojoyuta kicked his ass and only survived the match because yuta got a bad wifi signal.
This fight wasn't close I dont know why people think it was when it wasn't. The story even tells you hey, if Sukuna didn't want to show off he would've won with just domain clashes
I’m curious what Gege would say about a hypothetical fight between Gojo and true form Sukuna, so no help from the abilities of his vessel but also presumably with some level of amped stats.
Imagine gojo using another domain expansion besides Infinite Void. An open domain with a devastating big blue orb in between. This blue being different from maximum output, having more power. What would happen then?
I think this is pretty reasonable argument:
Gojo is cocky, he would’ve allowed Sukuna to transform into his heian form. So it would be Sukuna with a refreshed health bar, his knife, 4 arms, an extra mouth, and seemingly unrestricted world slashes. He clearly likes the world slash as well so why on earth would he limit himself for all future uses with that binding vow? Unless of course he knew it wasn’t enough to kill Gojo and the only way he was landing a world slash was by acting feeble and defenseless in order to get Gojo to lower his guard.
Sukuna still won but if we’re talking raw stats Gojo would win. Sukuna had to be crafty to win and Gojo was messing around too much.
He needed that binding to catch Gojo off-guard. He really did not want to use his one-time heal while Gojo was still in play.
That's how much of an annoyance and threat Gojo was considerimg he expected to be fighting more opponents.
If sukuna would need mahoraga to adapt before transforming to kill gojo
@@alc4528Heian Sukuna rapes Gojo in a head on fight
If he fought Heian era then there would be no Mahorage or world slash
If Gojo just uses blue to escape true form Sukuna’s open barrier then Sukuna would be forced to give up on battling with domains. With infinity active Sukuna’s only way to do damage is with domain amp while Gojo can keep firing away with his full arsenal. In this case, Gojo just wins. If Gojo keeps trying to clash domains then he loses. But I doubt Gojo would continue trying the domain route if even shrinking his barrier doesn’t work. In conclusion, Gojo beats true form Sukuna most of the time but Meguna beats Gojo most of the time. They’re both truly GOATs
Or he coud wait a couple minutes for the CT to restore instead of healing it immediately.
Meguna is pure fraud.
He doesn’t have to give up. Gojo escaping is basically forfeiting
@@dizzyb2309 I meant just escaping Sukuna’s domain, not the battle as a whole. I should’ve made that more clear
@@HCR-jn5xpHis TP more than likely has some binding vows that need to be implemented before he can actually tp otherwise he would’ve used it instead of running
Simple counterpoint, I like Gojo more so he wins easy
Great video though, It's nice to see someone go into depth about this match up as it's obviously one of the most popular fights in this generation of animanga
I do agree with that. Knowledge is so powerful in jjk that literally explaining stuff, will buff you. So sukuna having spend the entire arc learning about and preparing for gojo would have a clear advantage.
For Sukuna's increase in stats with each consumption of a finger, I always took it as each finger provides a specific amount of CE to him but his base stats of his body(Strength,Speed,Durability,Cursed Energy Output) remain the same.
I always saw CE Reinforcement as (Base Body X Cursed Energy output), so the more buff and athletic you are the more your Ce will enhance you.
For Cursed Energy Output;
If we say that each finger gives 50 unit of CE to Sukuna and he uses only 10% of his CE pool for reinforcement(speculative);
1. A 1 finger Sukuna would be funnelling 5 CE for reinforcement.
2. A 5 finger Sukuna would be funneling 25 CE for reinforcement, making him 5 times stronger and faster than his 1-finger self.
3. A 15 finger Sukuna would be funneling 75 CE for reinforcement, making him 15 times stronger and faster than his 1-finger self.
For his base body;
1. Yuji's body with no CE is superhuman, so Sukuna using CE here gives him the most stats.
2. His 4-armed 2-mouth form while really tall and buff doesn't compare to Yuji's body in terms of physicals(No CE). It's advantages are strictly in giving him the ability to use jujutsu and physical combat constantly. Still gives higher stats than if he were to possess any sorcerer not named Yuji.
3. Megumi's body, while highly trained, is that of a regular human thus gives him the least stats.
Tldr; More curse more powah. Yujikuna Stronk, Four-Arms Sukuna Meh, Meguna Weak
Didn't in episode 1 gojo said the fingers grew in power over the centuries? So if gojo is a match power wise in 20 fingers sukuna would in theory make gojo stronger than og sukuna? And isn't yuji a physical beast versus megumi with a beast curse technique so wouldn't a 20 fingers yukuna be a closer match punch for punch? I'm not disagreeing with the video but i saw that in episode 1 and p3ople say sukuna is still the same power as he was before he cameback or did that meant something else? Like tge fingers itself grew to the point that they can't be destroyed instead of sukuna's power?
maturing is realizing gojo never stood a chance
This is so real.
So true narrative was always against him.
I've matured. And agree. But I'm still huffing copium and in denial so I don't agree
Yeah gege too strong
POV Gojo stopped having an EGO: He killed Sakuna right after purple exploded instead of yapping, and would have dodged the world cutting slash like the other fodders that jumped in after did.