TFA can be criticized and it should like every movie, but it was very good at taking hold of the franchise. TLJ leaves us empty, the story is gone, there is no one to move the franchise forward.
sMEAGOL601 there is some truth to what you are saying buy i ask for a little more than simply a set up for the next movie. The phantom menace left the same amount of material for the squeal :who is the guy in the cloak? why does anakin turn evil? does he really bang the much older chick? where does the empire gain its support.
I'll give JJ this. His methodology of film making, while overblown and packing as much in as possible, is likely to give you moment's you can enjoy, and if you don't, another will be along a minute later. RJ on comparison probably read his script, realised he lacked 45 minutes and so had Holdo hold up the narrative by not telling anyone the plan. If she had explained the plan, Poe would have supported it and probably turned the ship's they were always going to lose, into weapons to eliminate some of the First Order's ability to reach out and destroy them... With 1000+ Tie's against a ship that lost it's fighter support.
Everything is political, these days... and this plays a part in killing creativity. Directors and writers know, even if they're not making a political statement, that their movie will be perceived as a political statement. "You don't put a woman in a lead role? You must be a sexist." The awareness of this must be debilitating for people who create and write. And to deal with this, the studios try to tick all the boxes...by making sure to hire a diverse cast, for example. Every single piece of art, every single decision, is going to be politicized. Creativity cannot flourish in the western world in its current state.
This is not very fair. I really don't see people have problems with Rey replacing Luke as main character. Really disagree with your "everything is political" cop out comment, it is hard to resist calling out the agenda when they hit it in your face over and over and over in this movie, and the second you comment about it "everything is political"? No they are making this too obvious. The movie here is making things political, everybody else are just reacting to it. How is that translate into "everything is political" to you?
Frankly speaking, Rey is a tool in the literal sense of the word. Rey has no agency, because she has no ambitions, drive, or motivations. She becomes as strong as she needs to be to overcome anything thrown her way, and knows how to do things because of the script. Apparently Last Jedi confirms this, as they say "as Khylo gets stronger, Rey will rise to meet him." She will never be weaker than Khylo, and since she's beaten him twice now, there's no reason to believe she can't do it a third time. The Force just *gives* her a power boost because it has to, apparently. Her purpose is to keep the movie going, full stop. As such, she is boring and obnoxious. If they wanted to play this angle with her, then someone should have sat down and said "Who is Rey, what does she want, what is she afraid of, and *_what are her limitations?_* And the film shouldn't have progressed until they nailed this down.
The thing I liked about Rogue One was that it took the Empire and the Death Star seriously and rehabilitated its villainy after almost forty years of memes and jokes about bad engineering and stormtroopers that can't aim. Then TLJ comes along and turns them right back into a joke.
These Death troopers did look cool. Of course it might of just been their coloring and shade of it but it did look nice, as a different version of the classic armor.
Then Death Troopers became pathetic in Rebels. Also I really don't like that beach scene where they become wildly inaccurate "bcuz Force is with me." It made zero sense.
I remember being disgusted with Force Awakens and not being hopeful at what the future would be, but Rogue One was decent, i was actually stunned they could be made by the same company, "I remember straight afterwards thinking why did these have guys have to die, not we have to back to Daisy Ridley and that gang of muppets", and boy oh boy I didn't know we were going to be plunged into something even worse than VII. And Rian Johnson is supposed to be god's gift to filmmaking (apparently) in comparison to Gareth Edwards and Abrams, so we all thought would will be the most compelling and deep film since Lucas handed the reins over at least, IT WAS THE WORST. It's actually shocking how much of a clusterfuck and it is.
For me, the kicker was the view from the planet's surface as the Death Star blocks out the sun and fires its weapon. In that moment, you saw how it was the ultimate terror weapon in a way that didn't really register during the firing on Alderean during ANH. Also, while the Vader scene was mostly fan service in relation to the plot of R1, I think it benefited the cannon greatly by re-establishing the villainy of Darth Vader after "I hate sand. Its coarse, and rough and gets all over everything" and "if you're not with me, you're against me."
What most people miss with Poe is that if he had not destroyed the Dreadnought it would have followed them through light speed and blown the whole rebel fleet to bits, which would made for a much shorter movie. Purple Hair was too stupid to realize this (as was everyone else.)
You know, it's sad how it ended for Luke, but Mark Hamill proved himself to be the consummate pro through this who thing. He clearly hated the character but delivered a great performance. He also carried their PR effort for the last three months. He was great in every single interview. Honestly, I thought the trailers sucked. Mark's interviews were what made me excited to the movie. I think most people viewed him as the least talented of the big three, but he proved himself to be every bit Carrie and Harrison's equal with this one.
age234 by saving the resistance with a force created hologram of himself from half the galaxy away? A force image so strong it fooled his force wielding sister and Kylo? That's a pretty badass send off.
And purple hair's plan to cloak all the ships and head for the salt planet was genius..IF NOBODY ON THE STAR DESTROYER WAS LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW. So dumb, Snoke could see them with the super high tech magnifying glass he had in the throne room.
+George A. Goebel Jr. While I will not argue up that the script writers should have come up with a better idea than that, the fact of the matter is that this "dumb" idea was completely working. It was not until DJ made his deal with the First Order that they even became aware of what was actually happening.
In a galaxy where the Republic is destroyed when 5 planets are destroyed with their orbital fleets... You can literally see all the planets next to each other. Is that the entire Republic? It made no sense.
I found your channel recently and I really enjoy your commentary and sophisticated look at filmmaking in the current era. I agree with everything you said about the Last Jedi however I was one of the people who enjoy the force awakens because I realized what it was early on and that they played it safe and I kind of respect them for it. Your criticisms of that film made sense and I feel like this film is written horrendously. Id rather a redo of plot than a bad plot
I agree. I wasn't impressed by TFA but it was at least semi-competent. I was waiting to see where the story was going. Of course each film in a trilogy should stand on its own but I was giving it a chance. Now I'm done. I'm going to try really hard not to go and see any more Star Wars movies in the cinema.
I couldn't stand TFA because I could already tell they destroyed the legacy of the OT characters but at least JJ wasn't stupid enough to have Han milking some alien cow...
+Natalie I think the blue milk was meant to be an homage to the blue milk from Uncle Owen and Beru's house on Tatooine. Luke throwing his lightsaber was meant to be an homage to Luke throwing his lightsaber to the ground after refusing to kill his father and declaring he is a Jedi. There are other similarities like the huts are reminiscent of his childhood home on Tatooine. It was meant to be a sort of symmetry in his life and I can see what they were going for but it was so poorly executed. He could have dropped his lightsaber and been shown fixing farming equipment.
Blue milk was there in AOTC, too. I can understand homage, but the scene was just gross. Besides, Luke is doing a job which traditionally was performed by women and I can't believe that's not intentional. Same with tossing the lightsaber: a sword is a traditional symbol of masculinity (later, it even gets destroyed). Then we even see a flashback of Luke flashing his lightsaber after sneaking into his nephew's room while he's sleeping... I'm sure the defenders of the flick would vehemently disagree with me but all these things combined, it starts to look very bizarre, to say the list.
And misogynists, and racists, and basement dwelling neckbeards, as well as other socially deplorable types. I mean we're all just mouth-breathing haters right?
Yes agree, I would normally go see SW 6-10 times when it’s fresh in cinemas but after waiting 2 year and all the hype. I booked tickets 6 months ahead for premier midnight screening and was so excited waiting for the movie to start. After the first joke with Poe Dameron and General Hux I was “ I get a bad feeling about this” and then waiting for 34 years from (the Return of the Jedi) to see the return of Luke Skywalker. Just the throw his lightsaber away. My jaw dropped and my mouth was open for a few minutes trying to process what just happened. I / we got pranked, ripped off. Strung along with how this director was a big fan of SW and was to make the best SW ever. It went all down hill from here after 5 minuets into the film. It looked like SW, it sounded like SW, some parts I felt it was SW but ultimately it was not SW any more. The writing was just shit, plot story line failed everyone, it did not answer the questions for the last 34 years, let alone the last 2 year from TFA. SW was to take you away from this reality not to try and be politically correct and teach you modern Disney life lesson. I can’t bring my self to see it agin at the moment, and many say its better to see it a 2nd time but thats not going to change me or fix this movie, the damage is done. The UA-camrs that sux up to Disney are pathetic, Just so they get invited back to FREE screening. Changing there views on TLJ is just Selling there Soul on SW. Rian Johnson is coming across to smug about what he did to SW, he failed as a director and I would not want to see anything that comes from him. so much more to say on this I will have to make a review on TLJ and the SW trilogies series. Just my point of view, everyone has one.
The weekend box office for TLJ is crashing. Going to be down 80 percent from last weekend and WAY below their expectations. The core audience hates this movie. All the smart people at Disney thought they could disregard and even gas light and insult their core fan base. May turn out to have been a monumentally stupid business decision. As it deserves to be.
I predict somewhere between 1.5 billion to 1.8 billion in worldwide revenue, depending on how soon TLJ gets pulled. I'd normally go for the higher number but considering the huge backlash I'll settle for a safer prediction of around 1.65 billion.
@Very Serious Still way too much money. Can't believe so many people went to see Star Wars in the theaters only 2 years after TFA(which frankly already showed the contempt Disney had for the franchise, its lore and its characters).
thibaldus3 I have a feeling this will be the BvS of Star Wars. It will make money not as much as they were thinking and ep. 9 will tank if they can’t get their shit together
thibaldus3 Box office numbers don't correlate with the audience scores shown on RT. This has been thoroughly analyzed earlier this year. A few somewhat recent, well-known movies as examples: Batman Begins, Fight Club, Donnie Darko and Blade Runner 2049 have high ratings. They all bombed hard. People are completely overestimating the RT score. They don't represent what the general public wants.
By the way, Anakin Skywalker is supposed to be the embodiment of space Jesus. Not that there can't be another exceptionally gifted force user with absurd amount of Midichlorians, but to the extent of the Skywalker line it just becomes absurd. Naturally, we can expect the bloodline to become diluted, and thus the potential weakens overtime, but why do we need another character like that? A new mysterious force-sensitive with high midichlorians, it's outright an attempt to overshadow Anakin's story.
Rey reminds me of the knights of the old republic. Only with out the plot twist they were a master force user all along and just forgot who they are. Which allow it to make much more sense.
If Luke had a wife, Mara, who had died in the temple attack, it would have made his descent into despair and isolation on Ach-To a lot more believable.
I would have like to have seen a resurgence of the Sith Empire lead by a ressurected Darth Nihilus whose soul goal is to consume all force energy in the universe and have Darth Caedus as his apprentice
I don't get the Jake Lloyd hate at all. He was supposed to act like a child and he did. Did people expect him to force-choke Sebulba and say "we would be honored if you would join us" to Qui-Gon and his group?
I just watched Return of the Jedi last night, and I could swear I heard a Jake Lloyd type of dialogue delivery when Vader (talking to the Emperor) said, "He will come to me?" Seriously, I don't think Jake did all that bad. The only thing that wasn't very good was the dialogue he had to say. Also, I didn't like the "oops" way that the Droid control station was knocked out. It shouldn't have seemed like an accident. I think people would've preferred if the Naboo pilots ended up destroying it while Anakin maybe helped a bit at some vital point.
Neither of the Anakins was "bad" in their role or deserved so much hate...it makes me sick to think about it. I feel like most people had a problem with the dialogue (wooden, inhuman) and that has NOTHING to do with the actors. People ruined Jake's life, and they should feel bad for that. The ironic thing is that many of them are now changing their minds and realizing that the prequels weren't Stage IV cancer, like this New Trilogy. And...Jar Jar, whom I personally disliked, ends up looking like a GREAT CHARACTER...we have his COMPLETE backstory...we know his motivations and his foibles...all we wanted was the same treatment for these new characters...is that too much to ask in 2017?
We have been kinda spoiled by other child actors like Haley Joel Osmond in 6th sense so I think expectations for a child actor in a Star Wars film were rather high.
The problem was that Lucas had no ability to write children and young people. Neither of the young Anakins are bad actors, it was the writing at fault.
You are erudite in the ways of postmodernism, and have explained the situation very well. I choose to call this phenomenon, nay, worldview, as St. John Paul the II did; the dictatorship of relativism. In the popular vernacular, this is often defined as a belief that "if nothing matters, then those who think something matters are wrong, and possibly dangerous" ... and I would add that these people are most definitively obstacles to uplifting the nature of humanity. And make no mistake, this control takes the form of intolerance. The current formal ideology this worldview is supported by has taken ironically preaches tolerance. “Disagreeing and speaking out is not intolerant. Fining those you disagree with, threatening to force them to act against their conscience, and pushing all signs or expressions of their beliefs out of the public square is intolerant.” - Chris Stefanick, Absolute Relativism - The New Dictatorship and What to do About It Please, friends, take care in choosing your axioms, what you find worthy to believe and base your morality and worldview on, for such things can not be disproven. Therefore, take care to not accept anything as the truth if it lacks love ... true, geniune love, described in 1 Corinthians 14:4-7.
Another plot hole/contrivance I recently thought of. Why can't the First Order Star Destroyers catch the rebel fleet? Star Destroyers in the previous movies were some of the fastest ships in the galaxy. Star Destroyers caught the Rebel Corvette Leia was on in ANH. In ANH Han Solo brags that the millennium falcon can out run the big imperial cruisers. Yet somehow they now can't catch medical frigates and a giant rebel cruiser?
George Lucas might have bored some people with the politics of his movies, or in-film explanation of the lore, but he really cared about the universe and its rules and lore (more than anything else I believe).
Not a Star Wars fan, but I still really appreciate these videos and how they relate to the influence of postmodernism in society on film, among other things. Translatability and therefore wordwide appeal and marketability is very interesting, and not something I'd considered before. Cheers.
it is a simple fact that all this wouldnt be happening if it was a good movie. it was a total cash grab. starwars is immensely popular. all they needed to do was put a GOOD trailer out and they knew the fans would take care of the rest. like in cowboy times that guy that would sell miracle water to a town of people that just saw him splash it on someone who was blind and can see now. not knowing the miracle water is actually just his wiz and the blind guy his partner
randy zanghi Lets be completely fair on this topic: EVERY movie ever made by a major Hollywood studio is a cash grab. Now, do studios know that well made movies generally make more money than badly made movies? Of course they do. But movie studios are not non-profit charity organizations: they survive by making profits, and people loss their jobs when movies lose money.
randy zanghi Yeah I agree. Actually I think the TLJ teaser trailer is one of the best I've ever seen (along with the one for the original Star Wars), and the movie that it seemed to be implying didn't actually exist. It's a real shame.
I wrote this somewhere and I think it is relevant here. I hope you read it. Whatever it was, there was no Star Wars in this movie. I can understand the desire of the team to take a new direction for the mytharc but there still must be a consistency and a resolution to whatever we see on screen. Every movie before this, even being a part of a trilogy can stand on its own but Episode 8 banks everything on the next installment. This can work on TV but not on the big screen. I went in blind and now I feel cheated. The story was all over the place, the screenplay is botched and that is quite apparent onscreen, the editing was horrid and they have basically destroyed the in-universe mythology. Some might see it as innovative but it still should have a consistent in-universe logic. And in an effort to be bold, they managed to make the movie inconclusive. Now I'm not excited for the next installment nor am I interested to watch it again. 1. Rey parentage was never an issue for me but by the in-universe logic, she should have had a purpose. The force can manifest in anyone and in any concentration but everything we have known about force is that it seeks balance and that gives a purpose. Rey has no purpose. She is just there as a placeholder for the dramatic rise of Ben (which too sadly, is wasted). 2. There B, C, D plots have no purpose other than just be filler. There was no tension and no satisfaction for an apparent conclusion. It was inconclusive for me at least. Poe's arc came out as a bad episode of Battlestar Galactica. Finn's arc wasn't needed. What did they even contribute? Nothing, other than being sightseeing. The casino arc and the animal arc tried to sell itself as a rich people trampling poor and empire being all fascist-y. But the execution of screenplay didn't translate well. It simply came out as a single moment of preaching which has no consequence in future. The casino place will spring back up. The animals will be brought again and the gambling of rich will continue. This was the opposite of hope that the resistance harp every time they show them. The last scene did nothing for me emotionally. For all we know, those kids will be dead before next movie. 3. The tension and urgency of the survival of resistance were non-existent. I saw from a mile that the story was changed in the last minute to put a political point from the real world. It was so jarring and ruined any form of sympathies. I watch movies to imagine about a galaxy far away. Not the drama from across the ocean. 4. Many concepts were so out of place incidents that in that moment I felt I wasn't even watching SW. Rey is Harry Potter and she's watching in the mirror of Erised. Instead of being emotional, that scene made laugh out loud. Incidentally, none of the comic bits were interesting. It was crystal clear that they are not there to diffuse tension with in-universe reality bit to sell toys to kids. They were unnecessary, long and infuriating. 5. I have no issue with Snoke dying but there should have been a conclusion for the mythology and lore and the foreshadowing of consequences in future. I could feel the ideas that were seeded but abandoned halfway. There must have been vast reshoots because the editing makes it more obvious than hiding it. Star Wars is the concept of a struggle that involves a galaxy and this movie became much like a book version of don't tell but show. This movie forcefully told me rather than show. There're so many things wrong that I wish to write but I'm tired. This triggered someone so I had to delve a little deeper. (cont...)
Round 2: It's okay if you got that idea from the movie. I will not argue against that. However, I must tell you that that is not how the Force works. And before you accuse me of being an OT Purist, PT Apologist or EU Fanboy, know that this fact comes from Disney's own canon lore. Force is the force - Both Kylo's force and Rey's force is one singular force - the concept that Rey's Mary Sue-ism is the result of Kylo's rise in the Darkside is an oxymoron that comes from casual fans of Jar Jar Abrams Lost-ification of the Star Wars Mythos. I had feared this would happen. There is a TV cartoon adaptation - Star Wars Rebels which fill in the same place as the CN Clone Wars did for the prequels. It delves much deeper into the Disney accepted canon and even re-coins the terminology for the nature of force's Light (Ashla) and Dark (Bogan) side. Lightside and Darkside is the mirror of sentient heart and not the force itself. The balance in force does not mean that if there is a sith in training we suddenly should be getting a Jedi in training. Rey is not the answer to Kylo; she is merely a vessel for the force. She has equal opportunity to go dark. The movie touches one aspect of this fact which I admit I liked. But the issue remains on how this was portrayed and I say this because we can see how many praisers still say Rey is the answer to Kylo based on Snoke's dialogue. She has no training. She has a minimal grasp of the force. She does not know how to save herself from the Darkside - YET she can challenge a Darkside master in Snoke. You know what happened to the last Padawan who had years and years of training but in anger and arrogance went ahead to face a Sith? He lost his limb and an adept Jedi Master had to save the day. And that Padawan was the first and only one in the Galaxy whose force sensitivity was incomparable. Rey comes out of facing snoke, killing Crimson guards and refusing Kylo without even a lightsaber scratch with a training of weeks at tops - This is the destruction of lore, mythology, in-Universe logic and overall atrocious film-making. I had wrongly assumed that someone was in charge of the lore department for everything Star-Wars related ala Marvel CU. The movie does absolutely nothing in the lore department and in fact deconstruct its own canon. The movie fails to explain the mythology and only those who watched the animated show would be able to draw references - this is bad film-making. I should not have to refer to secondary sources to understand the story. The secondary sources should be supplementary. The same is the case with Luke. It would have been far easier for fans to accept Luke's attitude had they invested time to show the aspect of Jedi-Bendu, aka Grey Jedi in him rather than showing the lame explanation that he had a murderous rage against his own family. The concept that - He went lengths to redeem a Sith but somehow decided that he should kill his own nephew because he had an inkling - is self-breaking of lore and mythology, not groundbreaking storytelling. The statement that Lightside of Jedi Order must end seems more conclusive in this concept rather than a senile hermitage. Again, this fact comes from Disney's own laid out canon, not fans'. There are more issues with Finn and Poe's arc but you can read about them from others who lay it much better than me. If you are interested, you can find about them. Your observation is as subjective as mine. My friend circle pointed out the politics right in the theatre. Since then, many of observant moviegoers have told me that movie is a subtle nod to the political atmosphere in the US with motifs of "nothing matters", "no one to hear us" and "leaving the past behind". I will not deny your observation nor will I justify mine. People have different approaches to see the subliminality. Darkside Swamp on Dagobah was approached in a similar manner, I will agree. However, it had a logic and conclusivity to the narrative. It does not come out of nowhere. There are expository dialogues and previously established theme and motif that explains the nature of the swamp. It is filmed with proper care. The force mirror in TLJ comes out of nowhere, is neither explained nor is it developed. As I said, the seeds of various concepts were sown but there must have been various reshoots and re-writing and this proven by the story-board concepts that have come out after the release of the movie. In order to be "different", they broke the lore. The swamp on Dagobah illuminated Luke that he could fall to the Darkside. The mirror scene for Rey was just a cool cinematography. Some apologists theorize that it showed that Rey was a self-made woman. See, even you have taken the message that it was the conflict of her heritage and family. But that concept has nothing to do with the force and her fate with the force. There is no conclusion or foreshadowing of her fate over her desires, longing, and sadness. That is not how the force works. It is not your Shrink. It is THE FORCE. It has consequences and temptations. Even if she is somehow immune, that concept is either thrown-away or set aside for the next installment in the series of many of the loose threads of this movie. This violates the Operatic nature of the previous Star Wars. And Star Wars fundamentally is a Space-Opera. If this movie desire the entitlement for Episode VIII, it must adhere to the Episodic dogma. It must have the weight of previous Episodes in terms of lore, consequences, and fate. Rian Johnson instead, deconstructs and selfishly tries to rewrite his self-declared "cool" subversions. So yes, I stand by my previous comment. Much of this movie has sequences that are out of in-Universe place. You misunderstand my comment. I never said that Snoke needed a lore or that I have any qualms about his death or his future apparitions. My complaint is the casual and non-conclusive handling of that entire sequence just for cooler cinematography, few gasps and shocks, and action scene. The consequence and the foreshadowing is absolutely nil in that scene. This might fly in any other action sci-fi or fantasy but this is Star Wars. There are in-Universe logic and consistency. Rian Johnson has not seen previous films for sure because he does not understand that core concept. I do not hate this movie just because it appears to be fashionable. I am not living in the US. I wasn't born during the OT era. My first movie was Episode I. I don't have a nostalgia glass or the luxury of fandom inclusion. My understanding and love of the films were only through the media and I can objectively see that this movie was bad. A simple casual film but an atrocious Star Wars Episode.
Very good explanation of why TLJ failed on so any levels. Casual and fans alike dislike the movie and there are very good reasons for it. The film just doesn't work.
If it wasnt Luke's story, whoes was it? Everything Fin Rose and the rebels did was ultimately pointless. Ray had no arch and was the same at the end as at the beginning, and Kylo was the same. Luke was the only character with a true arch, he was the only one to make a major difference at the end of the move, ultimately he is still more of a protagonist in this movie then anyone else, and they fundamentally broke him.
The things that I point out that makes folks calm up is how they screwed up the military tactics. Using slow bombers to drop free fall bombs in zero gravity when standing off and launching torpedoes and missiles is what really would've happened. Not launching the thousands of TIE fighters to overtake the Resistance fleet (Really only three?) Not calling on other First order ships that are deployed throughout space to block the path of the Resistance ships. The big one for me was the ramming and cutting in two of the Supremacy and Kylo launching a ground invasion with heavy equipment from one of the halves. In reality the ship was crippled. It would have little or no power, failing life support, failing artificial gravity, failing structural integrity, explosive decompression and thousands of dead. The crew would be too busy fighting for their lives to get off the ship instead of waiting around while Kylo was trying to organize a ground assault. I'm ex USAF and to me that's just lazy writing and saying the viewers are stupid and wound't know any of this stuff.
I know Adam was a Marine and the ship is dead. No power, gravity, life support you know sinking. Doesn't matter if the tanks on the LHD are working. Are you going to take the time to load one on an LCAC or LCU when the ship is sinking?
TLJ shouldn't be canon. It has enough scenes that it could be remade rather easily. They need to remove the rose story arch completely and Holdo should be replaced with Akbar
The reason Rey was not a Skywalker (and the reason for other choices) is the burning desire JarJarAbrams and KathleenKennedy have to totally eliminate all characters from the first 6 episodes. The sooner they do that, the sooner they can pretend StarWars is theirs and they deserve all the credit for the franchise. As far as I'm concerned, episodes 1 to 6 are an entirely different franchise than episodes 7 to infinity. Now they are rid of the main 3 characters, plus Vader, plus ObiWan, plus Lando (apparently), plus who knows how many more medium-level characters. Oh, right, they're done or almost done with C3PO and R2D2 too. As far as I'm concerned they *ARE* responsible for destroying StarWars post episode 6. The current principles in the franchise are self-consciously evil. Note that human predators do not care whether they are skilled or competent... they only care that they have massive power, and harm, destroy and enslave as many people as possible. What human predators care about is arbitrary power over others. They don't care whether they or their fellow human predators are skilled or not. In fact, they get a thrill out of being the ultimate "top-dogs" even thought they are complete incompetents. The desire to be skilled is exclusive to honest, ethical, benevolent producers.
I think the biggest mistake that most of the franchises make is the writing. They spend literally tens of millions on special effects, CGI, etc. But they don't spend the money on the story/writing. This is really the problem. Empire Strikes back was written by Lawrence Kasden... but he was given an outline by George Lucas. Think about this, Disney wanted to make a trilogy... but never designed a trilogy in the first place. They should have hired a couple of really well established writers. Had each of them write a trilogy of films. Then pick the best of them, edit it, and go with it. Think about it, suppose I hired three really well established writers. Paid each of them $300,000 to write a trilogy of scripts giving them an 12 month period to do it. Then offer a $100,000 bonus if there trilogy is selected as the trilogy. Cost to Disney, 1 million. You get a GOOD trilogy out of it, connected and coherent whole. As is, Rian just did his own thing... terrible.
Prometheus is an excellent example of how expectations can alter the reception of a film. I went in with none, and enjoyed it (Ridley Scott knows how to craft a film for sure), but I think most people were expecting answers from Alien, which it delivered nothing on but more questions, leaving most to ponder - why did this get made?
+David Stewart I had no expectations for Prometheus and love it to this day, I basically see it as a Satanic inversion of the Christmas story of Jesus' birth, set in space.
I wish we could get a KOTOR movie or The fall of the Mandilorians. The Star Wars universe has so much material to choose from. They didn't have to make 7, 8 or 9. They could've made a trilogy in the timeline where our heroes had already died. It just makes no sense to do this trilogy and make this film in the middle. I'm so thankful Marvel doesn't tell their fans to let the past die and just take whatever the he'll we want to give you.
Why did they buy Star Wars? Imo it's a 3 way factor kind of thing. 1st is they wanted to create a syfy universe that would be top dog. Can't do that if Lucas was about to do a 3rd set of movies. Which brings me to the 2nd part and that's taking out the competition. By owning the competition then they can destroy that said competition. Kind of like when WWF got ahold of WCW. Make everyone forget the old buy destroying it. And 3rd, mass money they have made owning it while destroying it. They have made mass cash off of the movie, cartoon, toy, print and gaming aspects of owning the license to Star Wars. That's my outlook on this. I will consider everything that came before the purchase canon. This is just the destruction of said properties to make their own vision of a syfy space, opera? Can we even call it that anymore?
I don't think that making women better moral actors or more efficacious is actually what feminism is about, even though that's probably what we're supposed to think it's about. I think feminism is a part of post-modernism, and it's purpose is simply to undermine society. The feminist "formula" that I see in hollywood as applied to Star Wars or Ghostbusters, for example, is to switch the genders and make the woman ostensibly better than the male she replaced (and vice-versa, except worse), which directly implies, "we don't need men because 'anything you can do, I can do better.'" To take it further, it actually devalues femininity in the first place by virtue of abandoning it to try to be masculine. Ain't nothing weak or wrong with being a beautiful, stay-at-home mom who helps tie her community together and raises her children to be good actors.
Don't you think that Ralph McQuarrie deserves far more credit for creating the essence of Star Wars than he's received? Without his art design Star Wars wouldn't be Star Wars.
Absolutely. Gotta hand it to Ben Burt for sound effects, John Williams for Music, and Gary Kurtz for reigning in George Lucas. That said. Ow that I've seen TLJ....come back George, all is forgiven lol
20:34 "Like if you had four new guys say that they're going to be Metallica, I don't think anyone would accept that as Metallica. I don't quite know why we accept it with movies."
I DO like Daisy Riddly, I think she fills the role well and brings a lot to the new trilogy. The problem is her character has no depth (and no training). The original trilogy took on a mythic quality of storytelling, like an old epic. This trilogy appears more like a video game you are watching somebody else play, where they are just unlocking new powers and toying with them with a vague protagonist that somebody can just project their personality into.
The problem is not about the anti-west ideology, feminism or leftism, Lucas is a leftist, The first trilogy had already strong female characters, even the empire represented western imperialism. It was still good. It's just that the new people can't tell a story.
They bought Star Wars to make a theme park attraction to compete with Universal's Wizarding World. The reason behind the movies is to get little girls interested in being a Jedi
The "bad dream"-analogy was really well put. That was what I felt when I watched Star Trek Discovery. A vaguely familiar, yet oddly disjointed mess that really did not overlay with what the "reality" of The Star Trek- Universe is/was. I mean, magic space mushrooms that connect the entire universe?
The average audience are dumb, so you would expect a lot of people loving it (we had like 5/6 transformers movies? 8 fast and furious? Whatever). But they can't ignore audiences scores in RT, Metacritics, IMDB and the overall backlash this movie is getting. It had the highest box office drop (first friday - second friday) of the whole series. Of course, it'll still make a lot of money, but there'll be consequences and they might be fearful for the next movies to come, specially the spin-offs.
Should put in perspective, RT score is the worst of the whole series. In Meta, it has more negative reviews and positives (the only one in the series), in imdb it's 7.6, if it drops to 7.5, it'll be the third worst rating of the series (only better than TPM and AotC).
Surely has been received badly from a faction of the hard core fans. Still I think they are the more vocal and most people that are either a bit more casual or sits in the middle like myself ( I would not style myself an hard core fans, even though I watched all the movies- more then once- played the board game in the late 70's/early 80's, watched both Clone Wars and Rebels and read one of the Aftermath book) have received the movie more positively. I think it will still make over the 1 bln dollars too, which it is not too bad from a revenue point of view (plus I am sure they will make good enough with merchandise). Also, my son, who is 11 and have seen all I have seen plus has read more books I had and plays BF I and II truly enjoyed the movie and I am sure he will be in first line to watch ep. 9 (and SOLO) and I will be in first line with him :)
Mad props to Mark Hamill for his performance here, simply because we couldn’t stand his character, he obviously hated the character in this movie, yet he pulled as much of our Luke through into this movie as he could.
THANK YOU! I completely agree with your assessment on Poe. I don't dislike the character, but since everyone has been raving about him it's made me look at him closer and it's made me realise that everything surrouding his character is like it's trying too hard to draw attention too itself, it's like it's jumping up and down, waving, shouting "Look at me, look at me" I Really respect you for pointing out that the character is flawed and I completely agree when you say "Something doesn't feel right"
The deeper story is the new republic was destroyed by incompetence, infighting, and nepotism. That is why Luke is a bitter old man on Acht to, and why the Resistance is riddled with incompetence. With leaders like purple hair it is no wonder that the Resistance is on it's last legs. The common people can't see how the Resistance is any better than the First Order. Han Solo was so pissed that his wife was still working with the losers that he left. Kyo Ren was kicked out of Luke's Academy and met Snoke when he went with mum on a diplomatic mission. He was seduced by the dark side and returned to wipe out the Academy. Rey was born to junkers at the same time as the massacre and the disruption in the force joined in her. At least my version makes sense.
I didn't mind the prequels actually. At least there was some character development of Anakin Skywalker. Mary Sue has no character development and neither do any of the other new clowns. When I went to see The Last Jedi, the scene where Rose crashes into Finn to save him from the First Order canon, I literally heard booing from somewhere in the audience. Not lying.
Origin of the name Ryan: From the Irish surname O'Riain (descendant of Rian). Rian is an ancient Irish name believed to be a diminutive form of rí (king): hence, "little king."
Cool to see you addressing some of the comments in video form. It’s different and I found interesting as you gave some more sentiments about Star Wars to some of the points others made, whether they echo your original thoughts or brought something a bit new to the discussion.
Padme is 13 in The Phantom Menace. Anakin is 8-9. Natale Portman is playing a younger character in TPM. I know you're intelligent, but most people bash the prequels because they know that it's popular to do so. Not saying you are for sure doing it like that, I just feel like the Prequels have sort of a social-curse on them that makes people hate on them all the time. :{h
I thought she was elected queen; I don't remember anything about her age, but if she was elected at 13.... damn. I thought our electorate was bad. Like I said, I actually thought the prequels had good stories but these big blocks on the surface, like bad casting and awkward dialogue.
The sequels bad dialogue, and were boring, they were not awful or terrible they did plenty of world building, added to the Lore and introduced some great new characters while introducing some terrible characters. The prequels felt like star wars, the new movies have the look of it with no heart and soul. Rian johnson, it feels as though he hates Star Wars and yet his arrogance makes me think he considers his own movie the “best”film in the Saga.
“Disney has the power to destroy SW and thus make the shareholders angry” EXACTLY!!! This is how I feel about the increasingly occurring dissonance between critics’ reviews and fans’. Like they’re tricking themselves and trying to trick us into thinking it was great and people loved it. Okay...we’ll see. As you mentioned, it’s SW, people will see it for a while. But as it constantly feels like a formulaic, even some obsessive fans will stop going. As an outsider, it seems like SW fans are loyal but very critical, and look at it like their baby...and when they see that baby abused over and over, they’re going to stop paying to watch it happen.
Think about how Luke looked when you first saw him. Replace him with Tyrion Lannister. (Think of Peter Dinklage as Luke Skywalker in that scene.) Consider the implications of that substitution for the rest of series. Enjoy.
*****Spoilers***** Don’t read this if you haven’t seen Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Okay Star Nerd Friends. Here’s my take. This is what I took away from Star Wars: The Last Jedi. The entire movie is a giant metaphor of our current society. My biggest issue with the film is that it goes “Rogue”. Pun intended. The original Star Wars Canon was said to have 9 Episodes. So, continuity suffered. Could you imagine if Harry Potter, all of a sudden, was incapable of conjuring up magic during the Goblet of Fire or Neo wasn’t “The One” in the second movie? It wouldn’t stay true to the characters or make sense. But, anyway, here’s what I got from the movie. It’s not as simple as black and white, good or bad, or left or right. When we take strong positions and cling to them, then nothing gets accomplished. This is why nothing really gets resolved in the movie. Luke Skywalker represents how the average elderly white baby boomer feels today. The country’s values are changing, the left is trying to destroy the country’s traditional Christian values. He’s lost his faith in the United States being a Christian nation. So, he wants out. He doesn’t trust this new generation to govern under traditional “American” values. Rey is a Mary Sue Millennial. She’s a good person, smart, competent, pretty, confident, and doesn’t have to “work hard at all” to attain great wisdom of the force that took most Jedi a lifetime of training to achieve. The boomers HATE this idea. It took Luke 3 movies to achieve his powers. This girl just has it? How dare she! The millennial females are thinking, “So, you’re just saying that because you’re a man!” Why can’t she be more powerful and have more talent? But, she’s lost. She feels let down by past generations who screwed up the country and is going out into the real world feeling vulnerable when she really shouldn’t feel that way. She’s a smart and capable young women who should easily stamp her place in the world. The past generations failed to give her any opportunities to succeed. The Millennials LOVE this idea because it places their failures on the past generations. The left loves it because it places blame on “White America” and vice versa. Kylo Ren is a Millennial Male. He’s got great potential. But, he’s impatient, throws tantrums, and wants quick results. But... his uncle also tried to kill him and he’s told that he’s never good enough. Why shouldn’t he want quick results? He lives for today and needs to succeed or he’s told that he’s a failure. He’s messed up. He feels the same as Rey, but even worse, because his entire belief system was shattered. But, unlike Rey, he’s pissed off. He wants change and he wants it right now. The Boomers hate this idea of a tantrum throwing, incompetent, “Darth Vader Wanna Be” getting into power the easy way. By snuffing Snoke. The Millennials love it because they feel sorry for him. The way Luke and Snoke treated Kylo was deplorable and they deserved what they got. Snoke is the wealthy, entrepreneur, white male baby boomer who’s son is a disappointment to him. Kylo is going to take over his estate one day, but doesn’t trust him. He’s gone through hell and back to get to his position. His whole life was dedicated to making money. He’s amassed a lot of wealth and skill over his lifetime and will not give up his fortune (that he worked extremely hard for) to an incompetent and conflicted kid. He doesn’t even know what he wants in life, how is he going to take over? Poe is a Millennial Male who thinks he knows more than his superior officers. He’s also trying to prove himself to his supervisor by demonstrating valor and leadership, but gets demoted for being too aggressive and for disobeying a direct order that cost the lives of hundreds of resistance fighters. He’s reckless and cocky. He’s impatient and makes emotional decisions. He needs discipline and Leia is trying to give this to him. Rose is a female Green Party representative that wants to save the bees, trees, whales, and snails. She’s so “wide eyed” in love with Finn that she’s willing to sacrifice herself, Finn, and the entire resistance to save him? She has a big heart, but lacks understanding the bigger picture. Talk about selfish Millennials. Don’t you understand that there is a bigger picture than your personal agenda? But, Rose saves those “horse dog things” and the person she loves. So, take that you animal killing, racist, heartless conservative. Princess Leia represents the strong, almost “superwoman” like mother figure who must discipline Poe because, one day, she knows that he will take her place. Boomers love it because she’s an authority figure over him and should discipline him. Millennials hate it because it’s an authority figure. There’s rank. Millennials like to be involved in the process and not talked down to. Holdo represents a woman in the workplace that is competent, capable, and willing to take it to the bitter end if necessary and that is a threat to Poe. Especially after being demoted. Men hate this because there are currently more women in the workforce than men and men are finding themselves pushed out of corporate America by women and they are angry. They feel emasculated. Men have always been the bread winner. Women love it because they see a strong capable female who is going to fight to maintain her authority. Finn is the young black millennial trying to put his stamp on the world by doing something heroic and memorable only to be denied the opportunity to do so. Men hate this because he didn’t want or need to be saved. Especially when it’s about bravery and honor. Women love it because Rose saves Finn. How couldn’t you love that? DJ is the black market. Morals don’t apply in the underground world. Only money. It’s all convoluted anyway when people act this way, so why not profit off of people’s passions? The entire point of the movie is to MAKE you like it or hate it because that’s how Baby Boomers and Millennials perceive the other. This is how Republicans and Democrats perceive the other. This is how men and women perceive each other in the workforce. It’s all based on your point of view and it’s all relative. The stronger stance you take on a subject, the less chance there is to accomplish conflict resolution. Critics love it because they watch a film based on its individual merit and artistic makeup and not because it’s a “Star Wars” movie. Or, perhaps this is a Hollywood-wide conspiracy to turn Star Wars into political propaganda to unite the country in Episode 9. It’s polarizing on purpose to spark this kind of stir within each of us. If The Force Awakens brought out your light side, then The Last Jedi will certainly bring out your dark side or vice versa 😉. Disney’s plan is to unite the country through Star Wars: Episode 9! Woohoo! 🤪. Siddhārtha meet Jesus. You two kids get along now 😇☯️. Relatively and Quantum... you too. Gravity doesn’t work at the subatomic levels, so you can drop bombs in space. Remember the poem: “First comes the Day, then comes the night after the darkness, shines through the light. The difference, they say, is only made right, by the resolving of gray through divine Jedi sight.” Search your feelings Old Jedi Friends. You know it to be true. By the way: I hated it, but kinda loved it... oh wait, what?
The prequel has bad actors at some places, but George Lucas clearly planned out. Maybe a significant advantage cause we all know how the story progress, that expectation is impossible to deviate. I can accept deviation of story, but Rey is a character that has worse character development than most of the female protagonist video games, you don't grow with her, she is nothing more than a perfect boring character. She did not get me to sympathize or care for her. Irony that video games character takes quality of movie character, while character development in movie decline.
I'm thinking this is why Kathleen Kennedy fired Collin Trevorrow from Episode IX, because he wouldn't bend the knee to all this SJW junk. While I don't consider Jurassic World a great film, the main character is an alpha male, and the female lead behaves like a normal woman. The results speak for themselves: JW was more successful at the worldwide box office than the new SW movies, especially Rogue One and TLJ.
Rey is boring and a terrible character because there is never any suspense or fear that she will fail or die. She basically feels like starting a RPG game with a level 99 character.
Spot on in the beginning...I notice the people that like it are like the big fans of Charlie from Emergency Awesome, who is almost entirely positive with his reviews/analysis. It’s really frustrating and insincere for anyone who thinks even slightly deeper.
It's hard to find disagreement because people sub to vids that just repeat things they wanna hear or already agree with typically. wait till the next controversial topic when your old subs gotta deal with your opinions they arent expecting. Anyway cool vid subbed. You seem chill and thoughtful.
"Some people spell their names weird for some reason." No -- their parents do that. Most people just don't want to go through the hassle of a legal name change to fix their parents' weird spelling choice.
The first two minutes of this video is a hilarious subtle , nicest way possible to say my friends who liked this movie like everything it seems... they are sheep entertained by anything flashy and cool looking
I wasn’t around to see the original trilogy in theaters, but I always loved them, and I always will. I was super excited to finally see Luke Skywalker again in action. I’d now know that I would be willing to wait decades more if we could get George Lucas Star Wars again instead of Disney. I feel betrayed by the series I love, and I wish I could go back to staring up at my tv screen, amazed by my hero Luke Skywalker battling his father for the final time, striking him down is rage, only to concede to the emperor moments later rather than becoming the monster he just struck down.
We do not need a Han Solo movie to explain anything. We could use a movie about Leia which explains where she learned about the force and how to travel through space without a spaceship and so on. We could also use a movie about rey where she learned to use the force between the scenes in force awakens. We could also use a movie that explains why Luke thinks it's better to kill people than to turn them to the good side. Or even just how jedis came to be the guardians of peace for 1000 years. This new trilogy has killed every sith and jedi, it's just boring random force users left.
All Star Wars has been lefty to the core. The entire point of the prequels was that nationalism and an obsession with national security are a path to destruction, which was especially apparent when Episodes II and III came out during the peak of the Bush II administration and the 'War on Terror'. Episode VIII was just the first to shoehorn in some bullshit BuzzFeed-style corporate feminism.
Lobo Lobo - Fascism and authoritarianism are right-wing philosophies. They are virtually anti-liberal. They do not believe in equality, they believe in supremacy. They demonize and discredit the free press. They are obsessed with crime and punishment. They have disdain for education and the arts. They show disdain for the weak and the poor. They show disdain for human rights. They believe in nationalism and military supremacy. If you claim these attributes describe the Democratic party, you are either being dishonest or are very naive.
Tim Murphy how do you explain communism which is an ideology that is everything you described, but is left wing? Maybe both extreme right wing and left wing governments are authoritarian, as we can see in Latin America?
Would you do a video on how to create characters for your stories? I've never written anything before and I was hoping for some help. I watched your video on the 4 stages of writing a novel. I've always had a lot on my mind and I figured I'd put it to ink and see where it goes. Thank you for reading~
"When Khan is rescuing..." That. THAT. That would be one heck of a sweet crossover. :) Also, you have an excellent way of discussing these thoughts and are pretty much right on point. I love your style. Thanks for a great set of videos about this film.
The fact that Carrie Fisher was so sick when TLJ was filmed, really affected the portal of her character. When her death was announced last year it was such a shock. However, upon seeing Carrie Fisher in TLJ you could see that her death was imminent.
I dislike Finn and his actor overall but I thought he was actually the best written character in New Star Wars. He actually has a story arc! In fact, I think he's the *only* character in TLJ that has something recognizable as a story arc. He's a hopeless coward who tries to run away. He wants to get away from all the BS going on in the galaxy but has never really had a choice, so he is forced to adapt and grow. I thought he was a lot better in this one than Force Awakens. His sub plot was still nonsensical, pointless, and dumb though.
The scenes on Ach-to could have been much more interesting if he had accompanied Rey there instead of going on his side trip. Also, I think Boyega would have been better in the role of Poe.
I thought it would of been a great ending if Finn died. Turn-coat storm trooper dies defending his former enemies from his former friends, after overcoming his cowardice and fears... earlier in the movie he just wanted to run away from death, now he runs towards it for the greater good. But nah, let's have a shitty "progressive" love story shoehorned in instead.
Let's pretend a human in starwars can survive space..ok the shields SHOULD have compensated for the hull breach by covering it otherwise you leak air! So Leia SHOULD have gone BONK! against the shields! AND if the shields were DOWN they all would have been SUCKED into space when they oppened the door for her She was NOT inside an airlock. THATS 2 contradictions in 1 scene (don't get me started on how she couldn't have concentrated in space to use the force in the first place) and the shields are something they went over in the clone wars series AND rebels both DISNEY CANNON!!! This scene CANNOT exist it contradicts itself AND within a 50 second timeframe no less!!! This is a perfect example of how whoever made this DID NOT do the research. But god I wish they did! 😫
but thank you, most would consider this dumb to complain about, apparently the few of us who noticed rhis and were bothered by it, we are apparently supposed to be quit lol. I'm so happy someone else is erked with this, as am I
Akasha-Manda Finhas with Darth Bane his space flight was relatively short since onderon's atmosphere and the moon Dxun get super close but yes i agree and get what your saying.
I liked Rogue One, to me it was like a darker story about the little people of Star Wars. I.e., not the big bad Sith or powerful Jedi, or even Force Sensitive people (excluding the two Guardians of course). It was more about the regular people and their sacrifices. I read the book and the previous books about it first though. This probably helped me appreciate more of the film. The film lacked much in the way of characterisation. But, i left the cinema feeling pleased and wanted to see it again. I enjoyed it a lot more then second time i saw it (on dvd), and then again the third time as well.
David Stewart do you think that this is like the prequels, but in reverse. This is the story about Kylo Ren becoming the tyrant and in the end will take over the galaxy as Supreme Leader Snoke. I think that the Resistance will lose to Kylo Ren and it might end badly like Episode III. Would be a copy cat move, but might be ingenious of the Lucas film story group. What do you think?
I think SW fans should hold out on Ep 9. I know there are obsessive fans and it’d be hard, but we now have a strong idea of the type of thing we’re going to get. Don’t give them the $$$. Don’t go see it, at least on the first or second day, which are big benchmarks, but preferably until you can stream it.
i heard that rey interdimensional travelled and beat Darth Maul in a light-saber battle...and she had one arm tied behind her back and she had beats headphones on. rey is #1!!
Actually Poe is a good Commander, it was the right decision to sacrifice the meaningless fleet of the resistance to blow up a massive dreadnought with thousands of imperials inside. The trade in equipment and manpower couldnt be better. The incredible struggle of the resistance itself and the lack of any New republican military forces makes unlear if their situation is such a bad one that even loosing a few dozens of people and light spaceships is such a huge loss. If so, then we could better have no military conflict at all, because basically they magically gave the hole galaxy to the new order because why not, lets make the plot easier.
“He went from trying to save his dad that he had known for fifty minutes to trying to kill his nephew that he had known his whole life. Does this sound like Luke Skywalker?” No, it sounds like Macbeth.
38:40 - the increasingly frantic pace of blockbuster films has been going on for a long, long time. Remember, when she trashed the original A New Hope, way back in 1977, one of Pauline Kael's criticisms was that there was no time for anyone to stop and think, it was paced relentlessly fast. I always remember that remark with a chuckle when watching the new films, which cut and chop and go many times faster than ANH.
If I were to create a monster who was meant to represent the newest Hollywood movies, it would basically be Tomatoa from Moana. “Fans are dumb, dumb, dumb, they chase anything that glitters. Beginners! Oh, and here they come, come, come to the brightest thing that glitters . . . hmm fan cheddars.”
I would love to see you do a lengthy review/deconstruction of the original 6. I’m interested in seeing the shifting views people are having about the prequels, it’s super intriguing.
One of the reasons that people were expecting that she was good at using the force and weapons were a few things, most of which is people stretching things to excuse their enjoyment of the movie, though it feels like they just love the visuals and feel the need to justify the rest because its star wars so it "must" be loved. But here are the points 1) They said she was trained as a child like they show in I think movie 2? The one where they show the little kids with helmets on practicing with the lightsaber. 2) She was trained by her family, who must also have been Jedi 3) She was abandoned to protect her from being killed since they knew she was a force user. 4) She kept saying they would go back for her, but like she was told they would. 5) She got a lot of flashbacks or flashforwards? when she touched Lukes lightsaber. Well, why? how? of course, she is connected to him! So that is a lot that was a lead in to believing she wasnt just from a nobody family that didnt have a clue about her. But we know that Rian Johnson threw everything out on purpose.
This movie really scared me. Ever since I first read the Darth Bane trilogy and played KOTOR, I have dreamed of having a star wars movie set in the ancient past. The lore of Star Wars is what I love so much about the series, but now I dont know if I even want that movie to happen anymore. I live for the stories told in the EU about the history of jedi/sith and the cosmic force, but now im scared that a Disney movie about these things would even ruin THEM for me.
I thin the reason Mark Hamill portrayed an old and angry Luke so well is because he is clearly extremely upset with the way he was written in TLJ, and his real world anger was reflected in his performance.
Really enjoy the videos. You make an actual CRITICISM. A criticism/critique is supposed to teach and edify, to help the creator better his work. I am truly dumbfounded by how many people nowadays cannot accept a critical eye. Side note: I noticed something in this video at the end when you quickly said "dvspress.com". I find it interesting that your initials "D.V.S.", when spoken, sound like "devious".
I've been sharing you among my friends (reasonable far right nationalists) and they love your work. Keep it up brother. Also I might start learning flamenco because of you
Ya know what would be awesome, and maybe Disney is planning this, I have no idea. I'd actually love to see an animated series, featuring the old cast, that takes place right after Return of the Jedi. It would give a bit of Context to this story which would help fans bridge the gap and it would give us a bit of what we wanted to see in Last Jedi, Luke being a power house. A lot of people are saying Luke wasn't like Luke in this latest film, but they forget that there was 30+ years from Return of the Jedi to Last Jedi. 30 years is a long time and people change over time from their life experiences. Shitty thing about dropping us back into a familiar story after so long, is that we don't have much context. Without those years of context to the story, it makes it much harder to swallow that Luke is now this old jaded hermit. But they had to drop us here, obviously because the old cast isn't in their 20's anymore. But in animated form, they could tell that story. They did it with the Clone Wars and in my opinion, that series redeemed the prequels. They did a much better job making those characters likable and gave a lot of context to the story to bridge the gap between Episode 2 and Episode 3. Most people don't know that Anakin had a padewan apprentice that was eventually banned from the Jedi order, which gave Anakin another reason to hate the Jedi. I'm sure most people don't know that Yoda went to Dagobah years before he did at the end of Episode 3, he went to several planets actually that were birthing grounds for the force. The interesting part, is that it was Qui-Gon Jin who guided him there. He even found the source of the force and learned a lot of new teachings from his experiences, a lot of which helped him survive order 66 and is part of why he chose exile. It's a great series with tons of context and backstory, I think more people who are fans should watch it sometime. I know, I know, a cartoon series isn't for everybody...but if they kept it closer to the original feel of Star Wars and made it watchable for adults the way the Clone Wars series did, then I'd frickin love to watch my old heroes again on the screen, going on new adventures! I think it would help give some backstory and fill those 30 years. I think Disney would be stupid not to.
Do you think what would have fixed the force awakens was not having star killer base fire, and wipe out a galaxy but having the fear of it wiping out a galaxy would have been great tension?
I think TFA fans arnt turning up to defend because all that crap they made up to explain away inconsistencies didn’t turn out to be accurate.
TFA fans are much of who is outraged at TLJ. We watched TFA in good faith and got this in return
rants n' rambles tfa should have been a warning bell with the way they treated all OR characters
TFA can be criticized and it should like every movie, but it was very good at taking hold of the franchise. TLJ leaves us empty, the story is gone, there is no one to move the franchise forward.
sMEAGOL601 there is some truth to what you are saying buy i ask for a little more than simply a set up for the next movie. The phantom menace left the same amount of material for the squeal :who is the guy in the cloak? why does anakin turn evil? does he really bang the much older chick? where does the empire gain its support.
I'll give JJ this. His methodology of film making, while overblown and packing as much in as possible, is likely to give you moment's you can enjoy, and if you don't, another will be along a minute later.
RJ on comparison probably read his script, realised he lacked 45 minutes and so had Holdo hold up the narrative by not telling anyone the plan. If she had explained the plan, Poe would have supported it and probably turned the ship's they were always going to lose, into weapons to eliminate some of the First Order's ability to reach out and destroy them... With 1000+ Tie's against a ship that lost it's fighter support.
Everything is political, these days... and this plays a part in killing creativity. Directors and writers know, even if they're not making a political statement, that their movie will be perceived as a political statement. "You don't put a woman in a lead role? You must be a sexist."
The awareness of this must be debilitating for people who create and write.
And to deal with this, the studios try to tick all the boxes...by making sure to hire a diverse cast, for example.
Every single piece of art, every single decision, is going to be politicized.
Creativity cannot flourish in the western world in its current state.
Suq Madiq Exactly.
This is not very fair. I really don't see people have problems with Rey replacing Luke as main character. Really disagree with your "everything is political" cop out comment, it is hard to resist calling out the agenda when they hit it in your face over and over and over in this movie, and the second you comment about it "everything is political"? No they are making this too obvious. The movie here is making things political, everybody else are just reacting to it. How is that translate into "everything is political" to you?
Gary Tsang - Everything will be perceived as a political statement
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Frankly speaking, Rey is a tool in the literal sense of the word. Rey has no agency, because she has no ambitions, drive, or motivations. She becomes as strong as she needs to be to overcome anything thrown her way, and knows how to do things because of the script. Apparently Last Jedi confirms this, as they say "as Khylo gets stronger, Rey will rise to meet him." She will never be weaker than Khylo, and since she's beaten him twice now, there's no reason to believe she can't do it a third time. The Force just *gives* her a power boost because it has to, apparently. Her purpose is to keep the movie going, full stop. As such, she is boring and obnoxious. If they wanted to play this angle with her, then someone should have sat down and said "Who is Rey, what does she want, what is she afraid of, and *_what are her limitations?_* And the film shouldn't have progressed until they nailed this down.
Adorni EXACTLY.
The thing I liked about Rogue One was that it took the Empire and the Death Star seriously and rehabilitated its villainy after almost forty years of memes and jokes about bad engineering and stormtroopers that can't aim. Then TLJ comes along and turns them right back into a joke.
These Death troopers did look cool. Of course it might of just been their coloring and shade of it but it did look nice, as a different version of the classic armor.
Then Death Troopers became pathetic in Rebels. Also I really don't like that beach scene where they become wildly inaccurate "bcuz Force is with me." It made zero sense.
I remember being disgusted with Force Awakens and not being hopeful at what the future would be, but Rogue One was decent, i was actually stunned they could be made by the same company, "I remember straight afterwards thinking why did these have guys have to die, not we have to back to Daisy Ridley and that gang of muppets", and boy oh boy I didn't know we were going to be plunged into something even worse than VII. And Rian Johnson is supposed to be god's gift to filmmaking (apparently) in comparison to Gareth Edwards and Abrams, so we all thought would will be the most compelling and deep film since Lucas handed the reins over at least, IT WAS THE WORST. It's actually shocking how much of a clusterfuck and it is.
For me, the kicker was the view from the planet's surface as the Death Star blocks out the sun and fires its weapon. In that moment, you saw how it was the ultimate terror weapon in a way that didn't really register during the firing on Alderean during ANH. Also, while the Vader scene was mostly fan service in relation to the plot of R1, I think it benefited the cannon greatly by re-establishing the villainy of Darth Vader after "I hate sand. Its coarse, and rough and gets all over everything" and "if you're not with me, you're against me."
Agree. R1 was solid, if imperfect.
What most people miss with Poe is that if he had not destroyed the Dreadnought it would have followed them through light speed and blown the whole rebel fleet to bits, which would made for a much shorter movie. Purple Hair was too stupid to realize this (as was everyone else.)
Jolly Tar People actually die in a Star Wars? Who knew? Purple hair didn’t know.
I’m sure Mark had a source of anger to channel for this angry old man role. Sad way to send him off.
You know, it's sad how it ended for Luke, but Mark Hamill proved himself to be the consummate pro through this who thing. He clearly hated the character but delivered a great performance. He also carried their PR effort for the last three months. He was great in every single interview. Honestly, I thought the trailers sucked. Mark's interviews were what made me excited to the movie. I think most people viewed him as the least talented of the big three, but he proved himself to be every bit Carrie and Harrison's equal with this one.
age234 by saving the resistance with a force created hologram of himself from half the galaxy away? A force image so strong it fooled his force wielding sister and Kylo? That's a pretty badass send off.
And purple hair's plan to cloak all the ships and head for the salt planet was genius..IF NOBODY ON THE STAR DESTROYER WAS LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW. So dumb, Snoke could see them with the super high tech magnifying glass he had in the throne room.
What was up with that thing anyway? And why was his throne room covered in flammable red curtains? Seems like a poor decorating choice on his part.
C S there has never been a movie that has irritated me this much in my life. Nearly every scene has something that defies all logic.
I laughed out loud when I read your post. Excellent point!
+George A. Goebel Jr. While I will not argue up that the script writers should have come up with a better idea than that, the fact of the matter is that this "dumb" idea was completely working. It was not until DJ made his deal with the First Order that they even became aware of what was actually happening.
In a galaxy where the Republic is destroyed when 5 planets are destroyed with their orbital fleets... You can literally see all the planets next to each other. Is that the entire Republic? It made no sense.
I found your channel recently and I really enjoy your commentary and sophisticated look at filmmaking in the current era. I agree with everything you said about the Last Jedi however I was one of the people who enjoy the force awakens because I realized what it was early on and that they played it safe and I kind of respect them for it. Your criticisms of that film made sense and I feel like this film is written horrendously. Id rather a redo of plot than a bad plot
+Geekdom101 Love your videos man
I agree. I wasn't impressed by TFA but it was at least semi-competent. I was waiting to see where the story was going. Of course each film in a trilogy should stand on its own but I was giving it a chance. Now I'm done. I'm going to try really hard not to go and see any more Star Wars movies in the cinema.
I couldn't stand TFA because I could already tell they destroyed the legacy of the OT characters but at least JJ wasn't stupid enough to have Han milking some alien cow...
+Natalie I think the blue milk was meant to be an homage to the blue milk from Uncle Owen and Beru's house on Tatooine. Luke throwing his lightsaber was meant to be an homage to Luke throwing his lightsaber to the ground after refusing to kill his father and declaring he is a Jedi. There are other similarities like the huts are reminiscent of his childhood home on Tatooine. It was meant to be a sort of symmetry in his life and I can see what they were going for but it was so poorly executed. He could have dropped his lightsaber and been shown fixing farming equipment.
Blue milk was there in AOTC, too. I can understand homage, but the scene was just gross. Besides, Luke is doing a job which traditionally was performed by women and I can't believe that's not intentional. Same with tossing the lightsaber: a sword is a traditional symbol of masculinity (later, it even gets destroyed). Then we even see a flashback of Luke flashing his lightsaber after sneaking into his nephew's room while he's sleeping... I'm sure the defenders of the flick would vehemently disagree with me but all these things combined, it starts to look very bizarre, to say the list.
Not a single person disagreeing!? I thought all the negative fan ratings were from bots and hackers???
And misogynists, and racists, and basement dwelling neckbeards, as well as other socially deplorable types. I mean we're all just mouth-breathing haters right?
Yes agree, I would normally go see SW 6-10 times when it’s fresh in cinemas but after waiting 2 year and all the hype. I booked tickets 6 months ahead for premier midnight screening and was so excited waiting for the movie to start. After the first joke with Poe Dameron and General Hux I was “ I get a bad feeling about this” and then waiting for 34 years from (the Return of the Jedi) to see the return of Luke Skywalker. Just the throw his lightsaber away. My jaw dropped and my mouth was open for a few minutes trying to process what just happened. I / we got pranked, ripped off. Strung along with how this director was a big fan of SW and was to make the best SW ever. It went all down hill from here after 5 minuets into the film. It looked like SW, it sounded like SW, some parts I felt it was SW but ultimately it was not SW any more. The writing was just shit, plot story line failed everyone, it did not answer the questions for the last 34 years, let alone the last 2 year from TFA. SW was to take you away from this reality not to try and be politically correct and teach you modern Disney life lesson. I can’t bring my self to see it agin at the moment, and many say its better to see it a 2nd time but thats not going to change me or fix this movie, the damage is done. The UA-camrs that sux up to Disney are pathetic, Just so they get invited back to FREE screening. Changing there views on TLJ is just Selling there Soul on SW. Rian Johnson is coming across to smug about what he did to SW, he failed as a director and I would not want to see anything that comes from him. so much more to say on this I will have to make a review on TLJ and the SW trilogies series. Just my point of view, everyone has one.
Mosh Man seeing it a second time only highlights how horrible it is.
The weekend box office for TLJ is crashing. Going to be down 80 percent from last weekend and WAY below their expectations.
The core audience hates this movie.
All the smart people at Disney thought they could disregard and even gas light and insult their core fan base. May turn out to have been a monumentally stupid business decision. As it deserves to be.
B Hut let’s hope so!
I predict somewhere between 1.5 billion to 1.8 billion in worldwide revenue, depending on how soon TLJ gets pulled. I'd normally go for the higher number but considering the huge backlash I'll settle for a safer prediction of around 1.65 billion.
@Very Serious Still way too much money. Can't believe so many people went to see Star Wars in the theaters only 2 years after TFA(which frankly already showed the contempt Disney had for the franchise, its lore and its characters).
thibaldus3 I have a feeling this will be the BvS of Star Wars. It will make money not as much as they were thinking and ep. 9 will tank if they can’t get their shit together
thibaldus3
Box office numbers don't correlate with the audience scores shown on RT. This has been thoroughly analyzed earlier this year.
A few somewhat recent, well-known movies as examples: Batman Begins, Fight Club, Donnie Darko and Blade Runner 2049 have high ratings. They all bombed hard.
People are completely overestimating the RT score. They don't represent what the general public wants.
Why couldn't we just get Darth Caedus vs Mara Jade?
By the way, Anakin Skywalker is supposed to be the embodiment of space Jesus. Not that there can't be another exceptionally gifted force user with absurd amount of Midichlorians, but to the extent of the Skywalker line it just becomes absurd. Naturally, we can expect the bloodline to become diluted, and thus the potential weakens overtime, but why do we need another character like that? A new mysterious force-sensitive with high midichlorians, it's outright an attempt to overshadow Anakin's story.
Rey reminds me of the knights of the old republic. Only with out the plot twist they were a master force user all along and just forgot who they are. Which allow it to make much more sense.
If Luke had a wife, Mara, who had died in the temple attack, it would have made his descent into despair and isolation on Ach-To a lot more believable.
I would have like to have seen a resurgence of the Sith Empire lead by a ressurected Darth Nihilus whose soul goal is to consume all force energy in the universe and have Darth Caedus as his apprentice
Because they are white
9:55 excellent point. I don’t understand how presenting a narrative of unearned competence to girls is supposed to benefit them?
I don't get the Jake Lloyd hate at all. He was supposed to act like a child and he did. Did people expect him to force-choke Sebulba and say "we would be honored if you would join us" to Qui-Gon and his group?
I just watched Return of the Jedi last night, and I could swear I heard a Jake Lloyd type of dialogue delivery when Vader (talking to the Emperor) said, "He will come to me?" Seriously, I don't think Jake did all that bad. The only thing that wasn't very good was the dialogue he had to say. Also, I didn't like the "oops" way that the Droid control station was knocked out. It shouldn't have seemed like an accident. I think people would've preferred if the Naboo pilots ended up destroying it while Anakin maybe helped a bit at some vital point.
Neither of the Anakins was "bad" in their role or deserved so much hate...it makes me sick to think about it. I feel like most people had a problem with the dialogue (wooden, inhuman) and that has NOTHING to do with the actors. People ruined Jake's life, and they should feel bad for that.
The ironic thing is that many of them are now changing their minds and realizing that the prequels weren't Stage IV cancer, like this New Trilogy.
And...Jar Jar, whom I personally disliked, ends up looking like a GREAT CHARACTER...we have his COMPLETE backstory...we know his motivations and his foibles...all we wanted was the same treatment for these new characters...is that too much to ask in 2017?
We have been kinda spoiled by other child actors like Haley Joel Osmond in 6th sense so I think expectations for a child actor in a Star Wars film were rather high.
The problem was that Lucas had no ability to write children and young people. Neither of the young Anakins are bad actors, it was the writing at fault.
I think the problem is the age that Anakin was introduced. I would rather have seen him older in ep 1
You are erudite in the ways of postmodernism, and have explained the situation very well. I choose to call this phenomenon, nay, worldview, as St. John Paul the II did; the dictatorship of relativism. In the popular vernacular, this is often defined as a belief that "if nothing matters, then those who think something matters are wrong, and possibly dangerous" ... and I would add that these people are most definitively obstacles to uplifting the nature of humanity.
And make no mistake, this control takes the form of intolerance. The current formal ideology this worldview is supported by has taken ironically preaches tolerance. “Disagreeing and speaking out is not intolerant. Fining those you disagree with, threatening to force them to act against their conscience, and pushing all signs or expressions of their beliefs out of the public square is intolerant.” - Chris Stefanick, Absolute Relativism - The New Dictatorship and What to do About It
Please, friends, take care in choosing your axioms, what you find worthy to believe and base your morality and worldview on, for such things can not be disproven. Therefore, take care to not accept anything as the truth if it lacks love ... true, geniune love, described in 1 Corinthians 14:4-7.
Another plot hole/contrivance I recently thought of. Why can't the First Order Star Destroyers catch the rebel fleet? Star Destroyers in the previous movies were some of the fastest ships in the galaxy. Star Destroyers caught the Rebel Corvette Leia was on in ANH. In ANH Han Solo brags that the millennium falcon can out run the big imperial cruisers. Yet somehow they now can't catch medical frigates and a giant rebel cruiser?
Nobody . cares . about . consistency . in . those . movies!
George Lucas might have bored some people with the politics of his movies, or in-film explanation of the lore, but he really cared about the universe and its rules and lore (more than anything else I believe).
Honestly i think they just forgot that part...
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Their speed is now the same
Not a Star Wars fan, but I still really appreciate these videos and how they relate to the influence of postmodernism in society on film, among other things. Translatability and therefore wordwide appeal and marketability is very interesting, and not something I'd considered before. Cheers.
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I don't want to be a fan anymore. :-(
I was kind of in the same mindset it’s a good film to use for lessons because we all know it.
If Rey is a nobody then why is she the main character? That shouldn't happen in a main series movie.
VampCoffee Exactly!
it is a simple fact that all this wouldnt be happening if it was a good movie. it was a total cash grab. starwars is immensely popular. all they needed to do was put a GOOD trailer out and they knew the fans would take care of the rest. like in cowboy times that guy that would sell miracle water to a town of people that just saw him splash it on someone who was blind and can see now. not knowing the miracle water is actually just his wiz and the blind guy his partner
randy zanghi Lets be completely fair on this topic: EVERY movie ever made by a major Hollywood studio is a cash grab. Now, do studios know that well made movies generally make more money than badly made movies? Of course they do. But movie studios are not non-profit charity organizations: they survive by making profits, and people loss their jobs when movies lose money.
randy zanghi Yeah I agree. Actually I think the TLJ teaser trailer is one of the best I've ever seen (along with the one for the original Star Wars), and the movie that it seemed to be implying didn't actually exist. It's a real shame.
that's a very cynical thing to say about jesus
I wrote this somewhere and I think it is relevant here. I hope you read it.
Whatever it was, there was no Star Wars in this movie. I can understand the desire of the team to take a new direction for the mytharc but there still must be a consistency and a resolution to whatever we see on screen. Every movie before this, even being a part of a trilogy can stand on its own but Episode 8 banks everything on the next installment. This can work on TV but not on the big screen. I went in blind and now I feel cheated. The story was all over the place, the screenplay is botched and that is quite apparent onscreen, the editing was horrid and they have basically destroyed the in-universe mythology. Some might see it as innovative but it still should have a consistent in-universe logic. And in an effort to be bold, they managed to make the movie inconclusive. Now I'm not excited for the next installment nor am I interested to watch it again.
1. Rey parentage was never an issue for me but by the in-universe logic, she should have had a purpose. The force can manifest in anyone and in any concentration but everything we have known about force is that it seeks balance and that gives a purpose. Rey has no purpose. She is just there as a placeholder for the dramatic rise of Ben (which too sadly, is wasted).
2. There B, C, D plots have no purpose other than just be filler. There was no tension and no satisfaction for an apparent conclusion. It was inconclusive for me at least. Poe's arc came out as a bad episode of Battlestar Galactica. Finn's arc wasn't needed. What did they even contribute? Nothing, other than being sightseeing. The casino arc and the animal arc tried to sell itself as a rich people trampling poor and empire being all fascist-y. But the execution of screenplay didn't translate well. It simply came out as a single moment of preaching which has no consequence in future. The casino place will spring back up. The animals will be brought again and the gambling of rich will continue. This was the opposite of hope that the resistance harp every time they show them. The last scene did nothing for me emotionally. For all we know, those kids will be dead before next movie.
3. The tension and urgency of the survival of resistance were non-existent. I saw from a mile that the story was changed in the last minute to put a political point from the real world. It was so jarring and ruined any form of sympathies. I watch movies to imagine about a galaxy far away. Not the drama from across the ocean.
4. Many concepts were so out of place incidents that in that moment I felt I wasn't even watching SW. Rey is Harry Potter and she's watching in the mirror of Erised. Instead of being emotional, that scene made laugh out loud. Incidentally, none of the comic bits were interesting. It was crystal clear that they are not there to diffuse tension with in-universe reality bit to sell toys to kids. They were unnecessary, long and infuriating.
5. I have no issue with Snoke dying but there should have been a conclusion for the mythology and lore and the foreshadowing of consequences in future. I could feel the ideas that were seeded but abandoned halfway. There must have been vast reshoots because the editing makes it more obvious than hiding it.
Star Wars is the concept of a struggle that involves a galaxy and this movie became much like a book version of don't tell but show. This movie forcefully told me rather than show. There're so many things wrong that I wish to write but I'm tired.
This triggered someone so I had to delve a little deeper. (cont...)
Round 2:
It's okay if you got that idea from the movie. I will not argue against that. However, I must tell you that that is not how the Force works. And before you accuse me of being an OT Purist, PT Apologist or EU Fanboy, know that this fact comes from Disney's own canon lore. Force is the force - Both Kylo's force and Rey's force is one singular force - the concept that Rey's Mary Sue-ism is the result of Kylo's rise in the Darkside is an oxymoron that comes from casual fans of Jar Jar Abrams Lost-ification of the Star Wars Mythos. I had feared this would happen.
There is a TV cartoon adaptation - Star Wars Rebels which fill in the same place as the CN Clone Wars did for the prequels. It delves much deeper into the Disney accepted canon and even re-coins the terminology for the nature of force's Light (Ashla) and Dark (Bogan) side. Lightside and Darkside is the mirror of sentient heart and not the force itself. The balance in force does not mean that if there is a sith in training we suddenly should be getting a Jedi in training. Rey is not the answer to Kylo; she is merely a vessel for the force. She has equal opportunity to go dark. The movie touches one aspect of this fact which I admit I liked. But the issue remains on how this was portrayed and I say this because we can see how many praisers still say Rey is the answer to Kylo based on Snoke's dialogue. She has no training. She has a minimal grasp of the force. She does not know how to save herself from the Darkside - YET she can challenge a Darkside master in Snoke. You know what happened to the last Padawan who had years and years of training but in anger and arrogance went ahead to face a Sith? He lost his limb and an adept Jedi Master had to save the day. And that Padawan was the first and only one in the Galaxy whose force sensitivity was incomparable. Rey comes out of facing snoke, killing Crimson guards and refusing Kylo without even a lightsaber scratch with a training of weeks at tops - This is the destruction of lore, mythology, in-Universe logic and overall atrocious film-making.
I had wrongly assumed that someone was in charge of the lore department for everything Star-Wars related ala Marvel CU. The movie does absolutely nothing in the lore department and in fact deconstruct its own canon. The movie fails to explain the mythology and only those who watched the animated show would be able to draw references - this is bad film-making. I should not have to refer to secondary sources to understand the story. The secondary sources should be supplementary.
The same is the case with Luke. It would have been far easier for fans to accept Luke's attitude had they invested time to show the aspect of Jedi-Bendu, aka Grey Jedi in him rather than showing the lame explanation that he had a murderous rage against his own family. The concept that - He went lengths to redeem a Sith but somehow decided that he should kill his own nephew because he had an inkling - is self-breaking of lore and mythology, not groundbreaking storytelling. The statement that Lightside of Jedi Order must end seems more conclusive in this concept rather than a senile hermitage. Again, this fact comes from Disney's own laid out canon, not fans'.
There are more issues with Finn and Poe's arc but you can read about them from others who lay it much better than me. If you are interested, you can find about them.
Your observation is as subjective as mine. My friend circle pointed out the politics right in the theatre. Since then, many of observant moviegoers have told me that movie is a subtle nod to the political atmosphere in the US with motifs of "nothing matters", "no one to hear us" and "leaving the past behind". I will not deny your observation nor will I justify mine. People have different approaches to see the subliminality.
Darkside Swamp on Dagobah was approached in a similar manner, I will agree. However, it had a logic and conclusivity to the narrative. It does not come out of nowhere. There are expository dialogues and previously established theme and motif that explains the nature of the swamp. It is filmed with proper care. The force mirror in TLJ comes out of nowhere, is neither explained nor is it developed. As I said, the seeds of various concepts were sown but there must have been various reshoots and re-writing and this proven by the story-board concepts that have come out after the release of the movie. In order to be "different", they broke the lore. The swamp on Dagobah illuminated Luke that he could fall to the Darkside. The mirror scene for Rey was just a cool cinematography. Some apologists theorize that it showed that Rey was a self-made woman. See, even you have taken the message that it was the conflict of her heritage and family. But that concept has nothing to do with the force and her fate with the force. There is no conclusion or foreshadowing of her fate over her desires, longing, and sadness. That is not how the force works. It is not your Shrink. It is THE FORCE. It has consequences and temptations. Even if she is somehow immune, that concept is either thrown-away or set aside for the next installment in the series of many of the loose threads of this movie. This violates the Operatic nature of the previous Star Wars. And Star Wars fundamentally is a Space-Opera. If this movie desire the entitlement for Episode VIII, it must adhere to the Episodic dogma. It must have the weight of previous Episodes in terms of lore, consequences, and fate. Rian Johnson instead, deconstructs and selfishly tries to rewrite his self-declared "cool" subversions. So yes, I stand by my previous comment. Much of this movie has sequences that are out of in-Universe place.
You misunderstand my comment. I never said that Snoke needed a lore or that I have any qualms about his death or his future apparitions. My complaint is the casual and non-conclusive handling of that entire sequence just for cooler cinematography, few gasps and shocks, and action scene. The consequence and the foreshadowing is absolutely nil in that scene. This might fly in any other action sci-fi or fantasy but this is Star Wars. There are in-Universe logic and consistency. Rian Johnson has not seen previous films for sure because he does not understand that core concept.
I do not hate this movie just because it appears to be fashionable. I am not living in the US. I wasn't born during the OT era. My first movie was Episode I. I don't have a nostalgia glass or the luxury of fandom inclusion. My understanding and love of the films were only through the media and I can objectively see that this movie was bad. A simple casual film but an atrocious Star Wars Episode.
Very good explanation of why TLJ failed on so any levels. Casual and fans alike dislike the movie and there are very good reasons for it. The film just doesn't work.
The problem is they got it in their heads that this wasn't Luke's Story When in fact the story of star wars screamed Yes it is!
jugulator0 No cleary not look at which character was in all six parts. It is about Anakin skywalker.
default 1990 episode 7 8 & 9were perfectly set up to conclude Luke's story arc...
If it wasnt Luke's story, whoes was it? Everything Fin Rose and the rebels did was ultimately pointless. Ray had no arch and was the same at the end as at the beginning, and Kylo was the same. Luke was the only character with a true arch, he was the only one to make a major difference at the end of the move, ultimately he is still more of a protagonist in this movie then anyone else, and they fundamentally broke him.
The Prequels are the Godfather trilogy compared to The Force Awakens & The Last Jedi
Real talk
The things that I point out that makes folks calm up is how they screwed up the military tactics. Using slow bombers to drop free fall bombs in zero gravity when standing off and launching torpedoes and missiles is what really would've happened. Not launching the thousands of TIE fighters to overtake the Resistance fleet (Really only three?) Not calling on other First order ships that are deployed throughout space to block the path of the Resistance ships. The big one for me was the ramming and cutting in two of the Supremacy and Kylo launching a ground invasion with heavy equipment from one of the halves. In reality the ship was crippled. It would have little or no power, failing life support, failing artificial gravity, failing structural integrity, explosive decompression and thousands of dead. The crew would be too busy fighting for their lives to get off the ship instead of waiting around while Kylo was trying to organize a ground assault. I'm ex USAF and to me that's just lazy writing and saying the viewers are stupid and wound't know any of this stuff.
It was Saturday morning cartoon level of logic.
I know Adam was a Marine and the ship is dead. No power, gravity, life support you know sinking. Doesn't matter if the tanks on the LHD are working. Are you going to take the time to load one on an LCAC or LCU when the ship is sinking?
it's like the Resistance forgot the Y-Wings, a faster, deadlier, bomber...
TLJ shouldn't be canon. It has enough scenes that it could be remade rather easily. They need to remove the rose story arch completely and Holdo should be replaced with Akbar
The reason Rey was not a Skywalker (and the reason for other choices) is the burning desire JarJarAbrams and KathleenKennedy have to totally eliminate all characters from the first 6 episodes. The sooner they do that, the sooner they can pretend StarWars is theirs and they deserve all the credit for the franchise. As far as I'm concerned, episodes 1 to 6 are an entirely different franchise than episodes 7 to infinity. Now they are rid of the main 3 characters, plus Vader, plus ObiWan, plus Lando (apparently), plus who knows how many more medium-level characters. Oh, right, they're done or almost done with C3PO and R2D2 too. As far as I'm concerned they *ARE* responsible for destroying StarWars post episode 6. The current principles in the franchise are self-consciously evil.
Note that human predators do not care whether they are skilled or competent... they only care that they have massive power, and harm, destroy and enslave as many people as possible. What human predators care about is arbitrary power over others. They don't care whether they or their fellow human predators are skilled or not. In fact, they get a thrill out of being the ultimate "top-dogs" even thought they are complete incompetents. The desire to be skilled is exclusive to honest, ethical, benevolent producers.
I think the biggest mistake that most of the franchises make is the writing. They spend literally tens of millions on special effects, CGI, etc. But they don't spend the money on the story/writing. This is really the problem. Empire Strikes back was written by Lawrence Kasden... but he was given an outline by George Lucas. Think about this, Disney wanted to make a trilogy... but never designed a trilogy in the first place. They should have hired a couple of really well established writers. Had each of them write a trilogy of films. Then pick the best of them, edit it, and go with it. Think about it, suppose I hired three really well established writers. Paid each of them $300,000 to write a trilogy of scripts giving them an 12 month period to do it. Then offer a $100,000 bonus if there trilogy is selected as the trilogy. Cost to Disney, 1 million. You get a GOOD trilogy out of it, connected and coherent whole. As is, Rian just did his own thing... terrible.
Prometheus did the same. Violated way too many of its own rules and added new powers/abilities far too often with no logic.
Prometheus is an excellent example of how expectations can alter the reception of a film. I went in with none, and enjoyed it (Ridley Scott knows how to craft a film for sure), but I think most people were expecting answers from Alien, which it delivered nothing on but more questions, leaving most to ponder - why did this get made?
+David Stewart I had no expectations for Prometheus and love it to this day, I basically see it as a Satanic inversion of the Christmas story of Jesus' birth, set in space.
Badass.
David Stewart The biggest problem with Prometheus was that the movie itself didn't know if it wanted to be a prequel to Alien or not.
Man, your perspectives are so sharp. It's really refreshing.
I wish we could get a KOTOR movie or The fall of the Mandilorians. The Star Wars universe has so much material to choose from. They didn't have to make 7, 8 or 9. They could've made a trilogy in the timeline where our heroes had already died. It just makes no sense to do this trilogy and make this film in the middle. I'm so thankful Marvel doesn't tell their fans to let the past die and just take whatever the he'll we want to give you.
god id love it, or curse it. idk which is worse, never getting it, or them fucking up these movie's. progressively WORSE
Love KOTOR Story. Don't want Disney to do it now, they'd just ruin it !!
DISNEY STAY AWAY FROM KOTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I just think they turn Mandilorians into Iron Man jokers
Why did they buy Star Wars? Imo it's a 3 way factor kind of thing. 1st is they wanted to create a syfy universe that would be top dog.
Can't do that if Lucas was about to do a 3rd set of movies. Which brings me to the 2nd part and that's taking out the competition.
By owning the competition then they can destroy that said competition. Kind of like when WWF got ahold of WCW. Make everyone forget the old buy destroying it.
And 3rd, mass money they have made owning it while destroying it. They have made mass cash off of the movie, cartoon, toy, print and gaming aspects of owning the license to Star Wars.
That's my outlook on this. I will consider everything that came before the purchase canon. This is just the destruction of said properties to make their own vision of a syfy space, opera? Can we even call it that anymore?
Well said. But it's sci-fi, not syfy (that's the name of a television channel).
Lol I'm horid at spelling. Can use numbers really well but letters mess me up.
I don't think that making women better moral actors or more efficacious is actually what feminism is about, even though that's probably what we're supposed to think it's about. I think feminism is a part of post-modernism, and it's purpose is simply to undermine society.
The feminist "formula" that I see in hollywood as applied to Star Wars or Ghostbusters, for example, is to switch the genders and make the woman ostensibly better than the male she replaced (and vice-versa, except worse), which directly implies, "we don't need men because 'anything you can do, I can do better.'" To take it further, it actually devalues femininity in the first place by virtue of abandoning it to try to be masculine. Ain't nothing weak or wrong with being a beautiful, stay-at-home mom who helps tie her community together and raises her children to be good actors.
Great point! With Star Wars, Disney knows they can push whatever narrative they want and still rake in the cash. Win Win!
Don't you think that Ralph McQuarrie deserves far more credit for creating the essence of Star Wars than he's received? Without his art design Star Wars wouldn't be Star Wars.
+Joe Jessup I do think that. At this point it's way more him than george since it's the Aesthetics that have been kept.
as well as Ben Burtt and John Williams
Tell that to the darkside
Absolutely. Gotta hand it to Ben Burt for sound effects, John Williams for Music, and Gary Kurtz for reigning in George Lucas. That said. Ow that I've seen TLJ....come back George, all is forgiven lol
Spot on Joe! Merry Christmas Ya'll
20:34 "Like if you had four new guys say that they're going to be Metallica, I don't think anyone would accept that as Metallica. I don't quite know why we accept it with movies."
Terminator 1 and 2 were great but the rest were terrible. James Cameron was what made it work and part of that was he envisioned them as one movie.
I DO like Daisy Riddly, I think she fills the role well and brings a lot to the new trilogy. The problem is her character has no depth (and no training). The original trilogy took on a mythic quality of storytelling, like an old epic. This trilogy appears more like a video game you are watching somebody else play, where they are just unlocking new powers and toying with them with a vague protagonist that somebody can just project their personality into.
The problem is not about the anti-west ideology, feminism or leftism, Lucas is a leftist, The first trilogy had already strong female characters, even the empire represented western imperialism. It was still good. It's just that the new people can't tell a story.
They bought Star Wars to make a theme park attraction to compete with Universal's Wizarding World. The reason behind the movies is to get little girls interested in being a Jedi
The "bad dream"-analogy was really well put.
That was what I felt when I watched Star Trek Discovery. A vaguely familiar, yet oddly disjointed mess that really did not overlay with what the "reality" of The Star Trek- Universe is/was.
I mean, magic space mushrooms that connect the entire universe?
Fun video to watch. It just hurts seeing what has happen to star wars and I am sad so many people love it.
Pretty much. Cause I loved this series so much and know I hate it so much.
The average audience are dumb, so you would expect a lot of people loving it (we had like 5/6 transformers movies? 8 fast and furious? Whatever).
But they can't ignore audiences scores in RT, Metacritics, IMDB and the overall backlash this movie is getting. It had the highest box office drop (first friday - second friday) of the whole series. Of course, it'll still make a lot of money, but there'll be consequences and they might be fearful for the next movies to come, specially the spin-offs.
Rotten Tomatoes and MetaCritic are the only one that are quite 'bad' at 56 and average. IMDb and Cinemascore are quite good.
Should put in perspective, RT score is the worst of the whole series. In Meta, it has more negative reviews and positives (the only one in the series), in imdb it's 7.6, if it drops to 7.5, it'll be the third worst rating of the series (only better than TPM and AotC).
Surely has been received badly from a faction of the hard core fans. Still I think they are the more vocal and most people that are either a bit more casual or sits in the middle like myself ( I would not style myself an hard core fans, even though I watched all the movies- more then once- played the board game in the late 70's/early 80's, watched both Clone Wars and Rebels and read one of the Aftermath book) have received the movie more positively. I think it will still make over the 1 bln dollars too, which it is not too bad from a revenue point of view (plus I am sure they will make good enough with merchandise). Also, my son, who is 11 and have seen all I have seen plus has read more books I had and plays BF I and II truly enjoyed the movie and I am sure he will be in first line to watch ep. 9 (and SOLO) and I will be in first line with him :)
I am prepared to defend the prequels to the death. Your move!
NotOrdinaryInGames YOU FOOL! I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku!
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I'm also a prequel fan, but how can you defend baby anakin single handedly destroying a Lucerhulk?
LOL
He tried spinning! That's a good trick
Nothing wrong with that... compared to TLJ even the Holiday Special is Shakespeare...
Mad props to Mark Hamill for his performance here, simply because we couldn’t stand his character, he obviously hated the character in this movie, yet he pulled as much of our Luke through into this movie as he could.
THANK YOU! I completely agree with your assessment on Poe. I don't dislike the character, but since everyone has been raving about him it's made me look at him closer and it's made me realise that everything surrouding his character is like it's trying too hard to draw attention too itself, it's like it's jumping up and down, waving, shouting "Look at me, look at me" I Really respect you for pointing out that the character is flawed and I completely agree when you say "Something doesn't feel right"
The deeper story is the new republic was destroyed by incompetence, infighting, and nepotism. That is why Luke is a bitter old man on Acht to, and why the Resistance is riddled with incompetence. With leaders like purple hair it is no wonder that the Resistance is on it's last legs. The common people can't see how the Resistance is any better than the First Order. Han Solo was so pissed that his wife was still working with the losers that he left. Kyo Ren was kicked out of Luke's Academy and met Snoke when he went with mum on a diplomatic mission. He was seduced by the dark side and returned to wipe out the Academy. Rey was born to junkers at the same time as the massacre and the disruption in the force joined in her. At least my version makes sense.
+Jolly Tar I like that story better than what I saw
I didn't mind the prequels actually. At least there was some character development of Anakin Skywalker. Mary Sue has no character development and neither do any of the other new clowns. When I went to see The Last Jedi, the scene where Rose crashes into Finn to save him from the First Order canon, I literally heard booing from somewhere in the audience. Not lying.
God damnit. I meant ROGUE! As in Rogue One. Curse these clumsy fingers of mine!
You said Rouge One lol
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0.o You can't prove that.
Origin of the name Ryan: From the Irish surname O'Riain (descendant of Rian). Rian is an ancient Irish name believed to be a diminutive form of rí (king): hence, "little king."
Cool to see you addressing some of the comments in video form. It’s different and I found interesting as you gave some more sentiments about Star Wars to some of the points others made, whether they echo your original thoughts or brought something a bit new to the discussion.
Padme is 13 in The Phantom Menace. Anakin is 8-9.
Natale Portman is playing a younger character in TPM.
I know you're intelligent, but most people bash the prequels because they know that it's popular to do so.
Not saying you are for sure doing it like that, I just feel like the Prequels have sort of a social-curse on them that makes people hate on them all the time. :{h
I thought she was elected queen; I don't remember anything about her age, but if she was elected at 13.... damn. I thought our electorate was bad. Like I said, I actually thought the prequels had good stories but these big blocks on the surface, like bad casting and awkward dialogue.
I enjoyed the prequels the most. I was sad that fan hate created this sequel crap.
The sequels bad dialogue, and were boring, they were not awful or terrible they did plenty of world building, added to the Lore and introduced some great new characters while introducing some terrible characters. The prequels felt like star wars, the new movies have the look of it with no heart and soul. Rian johnson, it feels as though he hates Star Wars and yet his arrogance makes me think he considers his own movie the “best”film in the Saga.
That's why I love Quinton Tarintion.. He's scenes are always suspenseful and he actually makes you care about the characters
“Disney has the power to destroy SW and thus make the shareholders angry” EXACTLY!!! This is how I feel about the increasingly occurring dissonance between critics’ reviews and fans’. Like they’re tricking themselves and trying to trick us into thinking it was great and people loved it. Okay...we’ll see. As you mentioned, it’s SW, people will see it for a while. But as it constantly feels like a formulaic, even some obsessive fans will stop going. As an outsider, it seems like SW fans are loyal but very critical, and look at it like their baby...and when they see that baby abused over and over, they’re going to stop paying to watch it happen.
Think about how Luke looked when you first saw him. Replace him with Tyrion Lannister. (Think of Peter Dinklage as Luke Skywalker in that scene.) Consider the implications of that substitution for the rest of series. Enjoy.
Another thoughtful presentation, thank you.
Sweet. Thanks for reading and talking bout my comment.
*****Spoilers***** Don’t read this if you haven’t seen Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Okay Star Nerd Friends. Here’s my take.
This is what I took away from Star Wars: The Last Jedi. The entire movie is a giant metaphor of our current society. My biggest issue with the film is that it goes “Rogue”. Pun intended. The original Star Wars Canon was said to have 9 Episodes. So, continuity suffered. Could you imagine if Harry Potter, all of a sudden, was incapable of conjuring up magic during the Goblet of Fire or Neo wasn’t “The One” in the second movie? It wouldn’t stay true to the characters or make sense. But, anyway, here’s what I got from the movie.
It’s not as simple as black and white, good or bad, or left or right. When we take strong positions and cling to them, then nothing gets accomplished. This is why nothing really gets resolved in the movie.
Luke Skywalker represents how the average elderly white baby boomer feels today. The country’s values are changing, the left is trying to destroy the country’s traditional Christian values. He’s lost his faith in the United States being a Christian nation. So, he wants out. He doesn’t trust this new generation to govern under traditional “American” values.
Rey is a Mary Sue Millennial. She’s a good person, smart, competent, pretty, confident, and doesn’t have to “work hard at all” to attain great wisdom of the force that took most Jedi a lifetime of training to achieve. The boomers HATE this idea. It took Luke 3 movies to achieve his powers. This girl just has it? How dare she! The millennial females are thinking, “So, you’re just saying that because you’re a man!” Why can’t she be more powerful and have more talent?
But, she’s lost. She feels let down by past generations who screwed up the country and is going out into the real world feeling vulnerable when she really shouldn’t feel that way. She’s a smart and capable young women who should easily stamp her place in the world. The past generations failed to give her any opportunities to succeed. The Millennials LOVE this idea because it places their failures on the past generations. The left loves it because it places blame on “White America” and vice versa.
Kylo Ren is a Millennial Male. He’s got great potential. But, he’s impatient, throws tantrums, and wants quick results. But... his uncle also tried to kill him and he’s told that he’s never good enough. Why shouldn’t he want quick results? He lives for today and needs to succeed or he’s told that he’s a failure. He’s messed up. He feels the same as Rey, but even worse, because his entire belief system was shattered. But, unlike Rey, he’s pissed off. He wants change and he wants it right now. The Boomers hate this idea of a tantrum throwing, incompetent, “Darth Vader Wanna Be” getting into power the easy way. By snuffing Snoke. The Millennials love it because they feel sorry for him. The way Luke and Snoke treated Kylo was deplorable and they deserved what they got.
Snoke is the wealthy, entrepreneur, white male baby boomer who’s son is a disappointment to him. Kylo is going to take over his estate one day, but doesn’t trust him. He’s gone through hell and back to get to his position. His whole life was dedicated to making money. He’s amassed a lot of wealth and skill over his lifetime and will not give up his fortune (that he worked extremely hard for) to an incompetent and conflicted kid. He doesn’t even know what he wants in life, how is he going to take over?
Poe is a Millennial Male who thinks he knows more than his superior officers. He’s also trying to prove himself to his supervisor by demonstrating valor and leadership, but gets demoted for being too aggressive and for disobeying a direct order that cost the lives of hundreds of resistance fighters. He’s reckless and cocky. He’s impatient and makes emotional decisions. He needs discipline and Leia is trying to give this to him.
Rose is a female Green Party representative that wants to save the bees, trees, whales, and snails. She’s so “wide eyed” in love with Finn that she’s willing to sacrifice herself, Finn, and the entire resistance to save him? She has a big heart, but lacks understanding the bigger picture. Talk about selfish Millennials. Don’t you understand that there is a bigger picture than your personal agenda? But, Rose saves those “horse dog things” and the person she loves. So, take that you animal killing, racist, heartless conservative.
Princess Leia represents the strong, almost “superwoman” like mother figure who must discipline Poe because, one day, she knows that he will take her place. Boomers love it because she’s an authority figure over him and should discipline him. Millennials hate it because it’s an authority figure. There’s rank. Millennials like to be involved in the process and not talked down to.
Holdo represents a woman in the workplace that is competent, capable, and willing to take it to the bitter end if necessary and that is a threat to Poe. Especially after being demoted. Men hate this because there are currently more women in the workforce than men and men are finding themselves pushed out of corporate America by women and they are angry. They feel emasculated. Men have always been the bread winner. Women love it because they see a strong capable female who is going to fight to maintain her authority.
Finn is the young black millennial trying to put his stamp on the world by doing something heroic and memorable only to be denied the opportunity to do so. Men hate this because he didn’t want or need to be saved. Especially when it’s about bravery and honor. Women love it because Rose saves Finn. How couldn’t you love that?
DJ is the black market. Morals don’t apply in the underground world. Only money. It’s all convoluted anyway when people act this way, so why not profit off of people’s passions?
The entire point of the movie is to MAKE you like it or hate it because that’s how Baby Boomers and Millennials perceive the other. This is how Republicans and Democrats perceive the other. This is how men and women perceive each other in the workforce. It’s all based on your point of view and it’s all relative. The stronger stance you take on a subject, the less chance there is to accomplish conflict resolution. Critics love it because they watch a film based on its individual merit and artistic makeup and not because it’s a “Star Wars” movie. Or, perhaps this is a Hollywood-wide conspiracy to turn Star Wars into political propaganda to unite the country in Episode 9. It’s polarizing on purpose to spark this kind of stir within each of us. If The Force Awakens brought out your light side, then The Last Jedi will certainly bring out your dark side or vice versa 😉. Disney’s plan is to unite the country through Star Wars: Episode 9! Woohoo! 🤪. Siddhārtha meet Jesus. You two kids get along now 😇☯️. Relatively and Quantum... you too. Gravity doesn’t work at the subatomic levels, so you can drop bombs in space.
Remember the poem:
“First comes the Day, then comes the night
after the darkness, shines through the light. The difference, they say, is only made right, by the resolving of gray through divine Jedi sight.”
Search your feelings Old Jedi Friends. You know it to be true.
By the way: I hated it, but kinda loved it... oh wait, what?
The prequel has bad actors at some places, but George Lucas clearly planned out. Maybe a significant advantage cause we all know how the story progress, that expectation is impossible to deviate.
I can accept deviation of story, but Rey is a character that has worse character development than most of the female protagonist video games, you don't grow with her, she is nothing more than a perfect boring character. She did not get me to sympathize or care for her. Irony that video games character takes quality of movie character, while character development in movie decline.
I believe Rian Johnson is correctly pronounced "White Knight Cuck", after bending the knee to Kathleen "The Force Is Female" Kennedy.
I'm thinking this is why Kathleen Kennedy fired Collin Trevorrow from Episode IX, because he wouldn't bend the knee to all this SJW junk. While I don't consider Jurassic World a great film, the main character is an alpha male, and the female lead behaves like a normal woman. The results speak for themselves: JW was more successful at the worldwide box office than the new SW movies, especially Rogue One and TLJ.
Rey is boring and a terrible character because there is never any suspense or fear that she will fail or die. She basically feels like starting a RPG game with a level 99 character.
Spot on in the beginning...I notice the people that like it are like the big fans of Charlie from Emergency Awesome, who is almost entirely positive with his reviews/analysis. It’s really frustrating and insincere for anyone who thinks even slightly deeper.
Kylo Ren being able to stop a laser bolt in mid air doesn't make sense having seen strong force users in the other six movies !!
It's hard to find disagreement because people sub to vids that just repeat things they wanna hear or already agree with typically. wait till the next controversial topic when your old subs gotta deal with your opinions they arent expecting. Anyway cool vid subbed. You seem chill and thoughtful.
"Some people spell their names weird for some reason."
No -- their parents do that. Most people just don't want to go through the hassle of a legal name change to fix their parents' weird spelling choice.
The first two minutes of this video is a hilarious subtle , nicest way possible to say my friends who liked this movie like everything it seems... they are sheep entertained by anything flashy and cool looking
Haha thanks for addressing my comment 🙂
I wasn’t around to see the original trilogy in theaters, but I always loved them, and I always will. I was super excited to finally see Luke Skywalker again in action. I’d now know that I would be willing to wait decades more if we could get George Lucas Star Wars again instead of Disney. I feel betrayed by the series I love, and I wish I could go back to staring up at my tv screen, amazed by my hero Luke Skywalker battling his father for the final time, striking him down is rage, only to concede to the emperor moments later rather than becoming the monster he just struck down.
We do not need a Han Solo movie to explain anything. We could use a movie about Leia which explains where she learned about the force and how to travel through space without a spaceship and so on. We could also use a movie about rey where she learned to use the force between the scenes in force awakens. We could also use a movie that explains why Luke thinks it's better to kill people than to turn them to the good side. Or even just how jedis came to be the guardians of peace for 1000 years. This new trilogy has killed every sith and jedi, it's just boring random force users left.
excellent, and some fundamental points. thank you, subscribed!
The prequels were conservative and 7 and 8 are liberal
M Pesce - Huh? The Prequels were all about what happens when fascism takes over. All Star Wars movies are very much anti far right idealism.
All Star Wars has been lefty to the core. The entire point of the prequels was that nationalism and an obsession with national security are a path to destruction, which was especially apparent when Episodes II and III came out during the peak of the Bush II administration and the 'War on Terror'. Episode VIII was just the first to shoehorn in some bullshit BuzzFeed-style corporate feminism.
Lobo Lobo - Fascism and authoritarianism are right-wing philosophies. They are virtually anti-liberal. They do not believe in equality, they believe in supremacy. They demonize and discredit the free press. They are obsessed with crime and punishment. They have disdain for education and the arts. They show disdain for the weak and the poor. They show disdain for human rights. They believe in nationalism and military supremacy.
If you claim these attributes describe the Democratic party, you are either being dishonest or are very naive.
Tim Murphy how do you explain communism which is an ideology that is everything you described, but is left wing? Maybe both extreme right wing and left wing governments are authoritarian, as we can see in Latin America?
It´so absurd that the Imperial Destroyer cannot reach the small Rebel ship...it does not make any sense.
Would you do a video on how to create characters for your stories?
I've never written anything before and I was hoping for some help. I watched your video on the 4 stages of writing a novel. I've always had a lot on my mind and I figured I'd put it to ink and see where it goes.
Thank you for reading~
"When Khan is rescuing..." That. THAT. That would be one heck of a sweet crossover. :) Also, you have an excellent way of discussing these thoughts and are pretty much right on point. I love your style. Thanks for a great set of videos about this film.
The fact that Carrie Fisher was so sick when TLJ was filmed, really affected the portal of her character. When her death was announced last year it was such a shock. However, upon seeing Carrie Fisher in TLJ you could see that her death was imminent.
I dislike Finn and his actor overall but I thought he was actually the best written character in New Star Wars. He actually has a story arc! In fact, I think he's the *only* character in TLJ that has something recognizable as a story arc. He's a hopeless coward who tries to run away. He wants to get away from all the BS going on in the galaxy but has never really had a choice, so he is forced to adapt and grow. I thought he was a lot better in this one than Force Awakens.
His sub plot was still nonsensical, pointless, and dumb though.
The scenes on Ach-to could have been much more interesting if he had accompanied Rey there instead of going on his side trip. Also, I think Boyega would have been better in the role of Poe.
entitled millennial he was gonna die in that tlj dummy
entitled millennial Why do you dislike John Boyega? Both him and Daisy Ridley are pretty cool people outside of Star Wars.
His death would have made sense, no..... The fat bird needed to steal that glory.
I thought it would of been a great ending if Finn died. Turn-coat storm trooper dies defending his former enemies from his former friends, after overcoming his cowardice and fears... earlier in the movie he just wanted to run away from death, now he runs towards it for the greater good. But nah, let's have a shitty "progressive" love story shoehorned in instead.
Let's pretend a human in starwars can survive space..ok the shields SHOULD have compensated for the hull breach by covering it otherwise you leak air! So Leia SHOULD have gone BONK! against the shields!
AND if the shields were DOWN they all would have been SUCKED into space when they oppened the door for her She was NOT inside an airlock. THATS 2 contradictions in 1 scene (don't get me started on how she couldn't have concentrated in space to use the force in the first place) and the shields are something they went over in the clone wars series AND rebels both DISNEY CANNON!!!
This scene CANNOT exist it contradicts itself AND within a 50 second timeframe no less!!!
This is a perfect example of how whoever made this DID NOT do the research.
But god I wish they did! 😫
two characters I know of in whats is now not cannon, per Disney had survived. Darth Bane. most bad ass sith
but thank you, most would consider this dumb to complain about, apparently the few of us who noticed rhis and were bothered by it, we are apparently supposed to be quit lol.
I'm so happy someone else is erked with this, as am I
Akasha-Manda Finhas with Darth Bane his space flight was relatively short since onderon's atmosphere and the moon Dxun get super close but yes i agree and get what your saying.
I liked Rogue One, to me it was like a darker story about the little people of Star Wars. I.e., not the big bad Sith or powerful Jedi, or even Force Sensitive people (excluding the two Guardians of course). It was more about the regular people and their sacrifices. I read the book and the previous books about it first though. This probably helped me appreciate more of the film. The film lacked much in the way of characterisation. But, i left the cinema feeling pleased and wanted to see it again. I enjoyed it a lot more then second time i saw it (on dvd), and then again the third time as well.
Me too :)
I think you're videos and analysis have been the most logical and intelligent reviews on the new SW universe. Love your videos. Keep it up!
David Stewart do you think that this is like the prequels, but in reverse. This is the story about Kylo Ren becoming the tyrant and in the end will take over the galaxy as Supreme Leader Snoke. I think that the Resistance will lose to Kylo Ren and it might end badly like Episode III. Would be a copy cat move, but might be ingenious of the Lucas film story group. What do you think?
I think SW fans should hold out on Ep 9. I know there are obsessive fans and it’d be hard, but we now have a strong idea of the type of thing we’re going to get. Don’t give them the $$$. Don’t go see it, at least on the first or second day, which are big benchmarks, but preferably until you can stream it.
i heard that rey interdimensional travelled and beat Darth Maul in a light-saber battle...and she had one arm tied behind her back and she had beats headphones on. rey is #1!!
The people running NuWars, NuWho, and NuTrek all secretly despise these 'franchises'.
I watched The Force Awakens again last night, and I'm even more surprised how far The Last Jedi strays from it's predecessor.
Actually Poe is a good Commander, it was the right decision to sacrifice the meaningless fleet of the resistance to blow up a massive dreadnought with thousands of imperials inside. The trade in equipment and manpower couldnt be better. The incredible struggle of the resistance itself and the lack of any New republican military forces makes unlear if their situation is such a bad one that even loosing a few dozens of people and light spaceships is such a huge loss. If so, then we could better have no military conflict at all, because basically they magically gave the hole galaxy to the new order because why not, lets make the plot easier.
“He went from trying to save his dad that he had known for fifty minutes to trying to kill his nephew that he had known his whole life. Does this sound like Luke Skywalker?” No, it sounds like Macbeth.
I don't like these new Star Trek movies. Wish they'd do a Star Wars sequel :(
38:40 - the increasingly frantic pace of blockbuster films has been going on for a long, long time. Remember, when she trashed the original A New Hope, way back in 1977, one of Pauline Kael's criticisms was that there was no time for anyone to stop and think, it was paced relentlessly fast. I always remember that remark with a chuckle when watching the new films, which cut and chop and go many times faster than ANH.
If I were to create a monster who was meant to represent the newest Hollywood movies, it would basically be Tomatoa from Moana. “Fans are dumb, dumb, dumb, they chase anything that glitters. Beginners! Oh, and here they come, come, come to the brightest thing that glitters . . . hmm fan cheddars.”
I would love to see you do a lengthy review/deconstruction of the original 6. I’m interested in seeing the shifting views people are having about the prequels, it’s super intriguing.
Highlander II was awesome...
One of the most mismanaged franchises in cinematic history.
Intoxovision the TV show was great...
I still say the Anakin/Kenobi fight in Ep3 was one of the best fight scenes in the series.
One of the reasons that people were expecting that she was good at using the force and weapons were a few things, most of which is people stretching things to excuse their enjoyment of the movie, though it feels like they just love the visuals and feel the need to justify the rest because its star wars so it "must" be loved.
But here are the points
1) They said she was trained as a child like they show in I think movie 2? The one where they show the little kids with helmets on practicing with the lightsaber.
2) She was trained by her family, who must also have been Jedi
3) She was abandoned to protect her from being killed since they knew she was a force user.
4) She kept saying they would go back for her, but like she was told they would.
5) She got a lot of flashbacks or flashforwards? when she touched Lukes lightsaber. Well, why? how? of course, she is connected to him!
So that is a lot that was a lead in to believing she wasnt just from a nobody family that didnt have a clue about her.
But we know that Rian Johnson threw everything out on purpose.
This movie really scared me. Ever since I first read the Darth Bane trilogy and played KOTOR, I have dreamed of having a star wars movie set in the ancient past. The lore of Star Wars is what I love so much about the series, but now I dont know if I even want that movie to happen anymore. I live for the stories told in the EU about the history of jedi/sith and the cosmic force, but now im scared that a Disney movie about these things would even ruin THEM for me.
The one liners felt like Spaceballs jokes.
Fantastic. Keep up the great commentary.
Can’t wait for your analysis of the original saga.
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Absolutely right people who like last Jedi like everything.
I thin the reason Mark Hamill portrayed an old and angry Luke so well is because he is clearly extremely upset with the way he was written in TLJ, and his real world anger was reflected in his performance.
Really enjoy the videos. You make an actual CRITICISM. A criticism/critique is supposed to teach and edify, to help the creator better his work. I am truly dumbfounded by how many people nowadays cannot accept a critical eye.
Side note:
I noticed something in this video at the end when you quickly said "dvspress.com". I find it interesting that your initials "D.V.S.", when spoken, sound like "devious".
I agree on nonsence of making EVERYTHING new. Not a lot of critics are talking about that.
I've been sharing you among my friends (reasonable far right nationalists) and they love your work.
Keep it up brother.
Also I might start learning flamenco because of you
Ya know what would be awesome, and maybe Disney is planning this, I have no idea. I'd actually love to see an animated series, featuring the old cast, that takes place right after Return of the Jedi. It would give a bit of Context to this story which would help fans bridge the gap and it would give us a bit of what we wanted to see in Last Jedi, Luke being a power house.
A lot of people are saying Luke wasn't like Luke in this latest film, but they forget that there was 30+ years from Return of the Jedi to Last Jedi. 30 years is a long time and people change over time from their life experiences. Shitty thing about dropping us back into a familiar story after so long, is that we don't have much context. Without those years of context to the story, it makes it much harder to swallow that Luke is now this old jaded hermit. But they had to drop us here, obviously because the old cast isn't in their 20's anymore. But in animated form, they could tell that story. They did it with the Clone Wars and in my opinion, that series redeemed the prequels. They did a much better job making those characters likable and gave a lot of context to the story to bridge the gap between Episode 2 and Episode 3. Most people don't know that Anakin had a padewan apprentice that was eventually banned from the Jedi order, which gave Anakin another reason to hate the Jedi. I'm sure most people don't know that Yoda went to Dagobah years before he did at the end of Episode 3, he went to several planets actually that were birthing grounds for the force. The interesting part, is that it was Qui-Gon Jin who guided him there. He even found the source of the force and learned a lot of new teachings from his experiences, a lot of which helped him survive order 66 and is part of why he chose exile. It's a great series with tons of context and backstory, I think more people who are fans should watch it sometime.
I know, I know, a cartoon series isn't for everybody...but if they kept it closer to the original feel of Star Wars and made it watchable for adults the way the Clone Wars series did, then I'd frickin love to watch my old heroes again on the screen, going on new adventures! I think it would help give some backstory and fill those 30 years. I think Disney would be stupid not to.
Do you think what would have fixed the force awakens was not having star killer base fire, and wipe out a galaxy but having the fear of it wiping out a galaxy would have been great tension?