The railway mechanic in FoTS is still one of the coolest mechanics in the entire Total War franchise. When I did my first ever campaign I had no idea it was even a thing until I captured Suo as Satsuma which had a railway node and I thought it was damn cool.
It's a godsend really, considering how slow artillery moves over the campaign map
Naval transport is still waaay faster, especially if you have naval control and daisy chain your ships
The only big problem I hate is unit movement in siege battles, if there is too much units on the battlefield they just stop to respond to your commands.
Still can’t get over the fact that chaos dwarfs don’t have railroads
Yes, naval transport is a bit faster, but you need ships (upkeep), there is a risk of being intercepted by enemy fleets and you also need to plan your troop movements more (you need to have a ship available at the right place)
Beyond that the railway lets you move troops to a couple of important inland places (e.g. you can get to Kyoto very quickly from the nearest railway station)
Each method has its advantages, which is exactly how it should be.
The fact that his love for the proper hills became a meme only now when he returned to Shogun 2 speaks a lot about how little landscape matters in more modern games. Hopefully one day LoTW will also cover pre-Med2 games more so that people would see what unit pathing is and how cool a stylised map looks.
If you had gun units in TW:Warhammer hills would matter as well, but not as much since things take a lot more bullets to kill.
@@hugo3627Or the fact that gunpowder in warhammer are glorified crossbows which arch anyways so hills don’t matter that much
Guns flying over heads and coming back down is just so janky to look at with long wet noodles
@@LiewLmaoIt is quite realistic though. Real world armies did lob musketballs to increase range on occasion.
A couple days ago I accidentally said ratling guns in normal conversation.
Hey Legend, thanks for covering my submission, I'm glad you enjoyed fighting it. My arty was placed the same way, though I put my shooters on the left and my infantry on the right, with my gat in the centre as my front line. Not the best positioning since my shooters were eventually overrun, but fortunately they weren't wiped out.
Sure, it's not as good as another unit of Armstrong Guns, but mowing down your enemy in manual targetting mode is just *chefs kiss* the peak Total War experience.
This is a certified "Your honour Free Bird was playing in the BG" moment
Legend reacting to the panicking advisor is becoming my favourite parts of these 😅
there's gotta be a support group for depressed advisors becasue legend always insults them XD
FYI, you can use carbine cavalry to shoot over infantry in front of it to have an extra line of fire if you ever get a battle sent in with those units
Same for Revolver Cav.
That's what makes General units that are revolver cav and not traditional Yari cav so dangerous.
It works like that for Tokugawa gunner cav in base Shogun 2, so you can shoot them over a yari wall (its as disgusting as it sounds)
In TW:Napoleon you can put skirmishers ahead, line infantry, then ranged cavalry for ridiculously concentrated fire
Armstrong guns are better than gatling guns, but gatling guns are still worth getting for your late game armies; Armstrongs get more kills over-all, but gatlings deliver a lot of firepower quickly, making them excellent for causing routs; they fill different purposes with the Gatling gun acting more like a long range infantry unit than proper artillery.
ya, I feel the Armstrong's are great for long-range large groups, whereas the gatlings are better for short-range large groups - when you're getting swarmed in close-combat or against many lower-tier melee troops. That superior firepower will grind them faster than most single-units and their slower firerate
Yeah it looked like the super-wide firing arc of the Gatling was advantageous too, you could see the Gatling firing into enemies way over on the right flank late into the battle. I think the army comp this guy had complimented itself well, Armstrong guns wiping out huge swathes of troops far away and the Gatling keeping the leftovers from actually reaching the troops in melee
Legend gets beast artillery, a sick ass unit of gatling guns, US marines, sharpshooters, and he's still complaining about hills. That just shows how much he's a hill addict.
Still sweet seeing Legend plays FOTS, dude is now carrying the Shogun 2 fanbase singlehandedly.
Gatling guns, marines and sharpshooters are ephemeral but hills are forever
I always enjoyed how the Older Total War games treated muskets, matchlocks, rifles and cannons. A bit finicky to set up but devastating when they get going.
50 to 1 indeed
Looks like you partially recreated the Last Samurai at 9:30 😄
"Gatling guns are really good at taking out cavalry" *Enemy cavalry fully MELTS in mere seconds *
Yeah, that was an understatement, holy crap.
they definitely leant into that shot when they made the gatling guns in fots
God I love these FoTS vids, gunplay is so much fun.
Makes me wish for empire 2 even more, although I understand most want med3 ^^
Keep up with the old world mod then, what they're cooking looks really cool.
Med 3 would also have guns just very early ones. I think most people would prefer Med 3 like I would but if we got Empire 2 I would still be very happy. Ideally we would get them both that would be incredible.
I'd still be cautious about either. Devs who made these games what they were probably aren't working at CA anymore, so chances are you'd have yet another Troy disguised as a Medieval or Empire.
@@Niitroxyde I think CA knows this and that's why they've never remade the fan favorites since if/when they messed it up there would be huge backlash and it would be obvious the difference in quality. Hopefully their recent shake up makes them reassess their priorities.
I'd love to see you zoom-in more on the enemy troops getting so shredded when they are still far from you and there is no risk of you losing control of what is going on, otherwise it was a great video as always.
My only disappointment was no manual targetting Gatling Gun action
its the balance between: do you want a tactical conversation and to maybe learn something or do you want a cool af shot of dudes getting shredded by artillery. I think everyone wants *both* and its hard to do that in one vid xo
It would be great if he could post the replay file somewhere so we could download it and watch the replay ourselves.
@@hippieyoda1993 You’re right, but once he’s set up his army and the enemy was walking towards him, that’s where he could have zoomed-in for a short while, risk-free. There is less space for that in the Feudal part of the game though.
Holy shit, peak "Last Samurai" moment in the center when those Saber Cavalry ran headfirst into the Gatling guns, to say nothing of the Armstrong guns laying into the troops in that town.
Yeah not gonna lie, warhammer guns just don't feel like this. I passed on fots back in the day, but this has me craving. If I can stomach a total war game after bannerlord corrupted me, this will be the one I return to
Dont know what it is, but guns in WH doesnt feel impactful. Maybe due the smaller map size or unit weight, not sure.
Yeah shogun guns have more weight. It really feels like you are punching through enemy when your unit fires.
HP bars is what makes these awkward. Sad necessity in game with single entites
I think unit/entity health being a thing also contributes to this feeling which is why in total wars from at least Warhammer 1 onwards you get times where the first volley will kill maybe only 5 entities, but then the second volley kills 50 because their health was now lower.
Back in Shogun 2 and before, units had 1hp (generals an some elite units had 2hp) so if an entity got 'hit', it died.
I love how fall of the samurai has little trains going arround 😊 0:02
And are also usefull. Railroads need to be build first and can transport/teleport your armies to the next station!
@@chickenhunt5163 WHAT?! Well shit that would have made my campaign easier.
The sound of guns crackling in this game is so good.
Yeah, I'm reinstalling, these last fall of the Samurai videos really made me want to replay it
Seem to really be enjoying these older historical titles. Like seeing you cover them.
... That Scenematic Last Samurai moment... except there's no samurai on the enemy side...
I really wish artillery and gunpowder units were this cool in TWWH.
That was a last samurai moment when you turn your gatling guns on the poor sabre cavs haha
Thank you for your amazing content, I have started playing because of you. I played Napoleon total war and was looking for another game with with muskets/single shot rifles and im glad I found you!
those clouds from the rifle shots and the sound of the armstrong cannons are so damn good
Been loving all the recent Shogun 2 videos, one of my favorite total wars
I love this guy
this is great; LoS management was always the favorite part of my Empire, Dwarf, and Skaven campaigns, seeing a whole game based on it is super cool.
And then there’s me who has difficulty fighting the bloody pirates in empire total war lmao 🤣 well done, sir!!!
Did anyone else noticed the message on the end battle loading screen, where Sun Tzu was talking about terrain awareness? I was like mind blown
"On both difficult and easy terrain, you must know the tenable and fatal ground, occupy tenable ground and attack on fatal ground"
That's what the pro emperor army does to beat Tokugawa Shogunate army many times and unify japan
"I like small hills, they are not very usefull"
I mean damage was already done with flat-ass map, some arent that gifted.
That was a bloody battle! nothing better than come home from work, grab a joint and enjoyed this master class of positioning.
Your evaluation of the cannons is pretty good since the tier list I looked at rated armstrong at S+ and gatlings at B. Also speaking of tier lists, I would love for you to make tier lists for the older games.
I love the cannon sound in that game, i think i'm not normal
Thanks to legend, it was today years old where i finally found out the usefulness of the siege units from hojo clan: as morale breakers. Cannons, matchlocks, fire arrows, whistling arrows, mortars and rockets apply morale decrease separately. Once the first fire at ranks from the matchlocks start to fire, the morale went like ploof.
Proved with katana samurai (better matchlock frontline vs melee than ever the tokugawa with kisho bombs+mounted gunners lol)
I just finished a Saga play-through of FOtS. Had twin artillery armies moving east on the north and south of the main island. Each army had 7 gatlings and 6 armstrongs + naval bombardments + general&foreign vet accuracy/reload bonuses. Eventually all my agents and railways were max level too, it was so fun.
WW1 generals: "That attacking army seemed to have the right idea..."
Loving the Shogun 2 content. Keep it up!
I'm adoring all these shogun diaster battles
They gots some great giant mounds... of hills 😂
One of the best if you ask me! The unit combat animations are incredible, and they seem to have skimped on this in newer games.
Yup.
In general in new games units behave like colliding animation blocks.
In older games every solider was invidual.
"General! They outnumber us 6 to 1!"
"We have Legend, so it is an even fight..."
this guy is merely an average player, it's not him, it's his artillery and gutlings
Watching this was like watching a reenactment of The Last Samurai.
This was alot of fun to watch, I hope you do a fall of samurai live stream some time, Would be amazing. the fact you are enjoying playing the game to is awesome also :)
it's so fun to watch legend weapons team around and expresses his feelings towards those damn curves and hills XD
Always love to listen to the pre-battle music in FotS
Legend your videos of shogun 2 made me so much interested in the game that I bought everithing regarding this game with the current sales and I'm loving every hour of it
I'm surprised there aren't more last samurai crossover memes coming from these videos.
1:32 "Flat-ass" man that make me laugh already
This is just making me hope that legends next stream is a shogun 2 campaign. FoTS or Base game would be amazing
Legend doesn't want small hills, he wants em thicc and tall
Greetings from Germany.
Kudos to you, the game has a lot of entertainment value!!!
Casually re-enacts my childhood movie trauma at 9:31
Armstrong guns have difficulty finishing a unit. They are great for shredding clusters of enemies, but the gatlings delete what remails, leaving your infantry to engage the enemy 20 to 1.
I spit out my cereal when I heard “Sado Shogunal Vanguard”. Had to double check
How tf was that a Decisive Victory? That was 100% a Heroic victory with that balance of power and that Kill Ratio?
Ammo used is taken into account. The more you used the lesser your score is
@@CatroiOz Really? Well that's shitty because then they're basically punishing you for using your units effectively. It should be a positive if your units were positioned so good that they could use all their ammo.
@@ayomri1914 Yeah the calculations factor in ammo usage along the lines of "these units X amount of their ammunition, therefore they would have lost their damage output if the battle lasted Y more minutes, therefore the victory was Z% less decisive than it could have been."
So if you had a unit of 100 archers go up against a horde of enemies and the archers defeat those enemies with only a couple of losses, but they ended the battle with a dozen or so arrows left between them all, then that was technically a close battle because only a few extra enemies or a few more missed shots could have been the difference between total victory and total defeat.
But at the same time I would also 100% define that kind of victory as a heroic victory too from a human emotional perspective. The battle outcome scale is pretty limiting in that regard.
The problem is that the balance of power values reduction for yourself and your enemy is the deciding factor for the calculation. The majority of a ranged unit's power is in firepower, and the power steadily reduces as they use the ammo. As such, an archer/gunner/artillery army that expends all their ammo loses most of its power over the course of the battle. Even a complete victory will no casualties will be a close victory in that situation since you lost ~75% of your power and the enemy lost 100%. Heroic and Decisive victories can be difficult to get when relying on firepower victories over melee shock victories where the only loss of power is the initial deaths in the charge before the targeted units break.
This was so satisfying
Those Gatling Guns ripping Sabre Cavalry is a Re-enactment of The Last Samurai Battle.
I really wish FotS was on the scale of Empire, fall of the samurai just feels WAY better
Empire just gives you the illusion of scale. It's a small game with countries like France or Spain being one province.
@@Serek_heterogenizowanylol yeah empire sucks in terms of immersion of the world
I'd never touched FOTS even after 300 hrs of Shogun 2. But after watching Legend play I'm on my first campaign and it's absolutely a blast. I like it much more than napoleon and empire.
it's such an excellent DLC - an entirely different game practically
I'm gonna need a sale on it. I know its worth it but its hecking expensive.
@@feintfaint7213 what does it cost rn out of curiosity?
$45 Australian, yeah that's an outrageous price. I don't think it was even that much when it was brand new
Thanks for the morning video
12:20
FIFTY TO ONE
WHEN THE SWORD MEETS THE GUN
This is like the movie Last Samurai all over again
kill ratio 50 to 1? I'm surprised it's not close victory (maybe pyrrhic ?)
When you have good positioning and can keep continuous fire on an era with line infantry it is like bringing a machinegun to a musket battle
I read guns go brrrr and just assumed a skaven weapons team video lol
Yes. Mighty hills with firm peaks make the best positions.
Watching this video made me go pay full price for this game and stay up until 2 am on a work night
That was horrific amount of losses inflicted
I will never not watch FOTS videos, my favorite TW. The gun batteries and rifle fire, the sound design, the DEVASTATION. 11/10
You and l volound got me to start a new campaign. The fever has spread
Whatever happens, we have got
The Gatling gun, and they have not.
I like big hills and I cannont lie. -Sir Total-Wars-A-Lot, 2023
"friendly units lost 114, friendly units killed 115" looks like you had 1 instance of friendly which is amazing for those times.
"God is on the side with the best artillery" is so true in FoTS :)
First thing that came to mind was the ending of the movie "The Last Samurai"
Legend of Total Hills.
Hey @legend I was wondering in terms of cav for shogun two which do you think would be better in field battles and sieges, carbine cav, revolver cav, or sabre cav?
Wow!! Very very thx for playing fots 😊
Wasnt aware that shogun 2 had weapons teams! Looks awesome
Man I need to play some FOTS, never really got into it because the units didnt seem very distinct to me, but the aesthetics and soundtrack and weaponry etc. All just phenomenal !
To be expected if you are not familiar with Sengoku Jidai or Japan in general. And you missing a lot
Just bought Shogun II 2 days ago, I really enjoy the innovative game feeling. Been a while!
Nice, a skaven army in Shogun 2 :)))
Could you do some Guide Videos for Shogun 2, when I started to play this game (it was my first TW) I had no idea how anything works, would be great for newcomers as well.
Love a good hill defense. Really demonstrates why historically everyone wanted the hill.
So glad legend decided to start playing THE BEST tw. Shogun
Nice and such a cool era
Отлично выполненный огневой мешок. Лучшая часть серии игр, в возможностях артиллерии и огнестрельных войск!😂
Absolutely Brutal
Those smokes... i miss them.
I am glad to hear legend like big hills in his woman just like me💪
Dude your general looks just like C.G.E. Mannerheim 😄
Legend: *slaps Shogunal Army* This bad boy can take so much fucken damage
That's it, I demand you play a FOS Republic campaign. It would be so damn rad
Hey Legend, you may have forgotten but you can take control of the cannons yourself and extend the range of the shot just for that extra bit a cheese for a bit more micro.
I'm also fairly certain the blast radius increases for manually-fired shots
Just AMAZING !!!😮
When will we get a Total War map hill tier list?
Those were some rather tall, rather beardless dwarfs. Must be using Manscaped.
Still prefer WH3, though. But god damn, as a headphones-wearing viewer, the sound effects from those cannons firing was booming! There's just something about the rumble of a big gun.
The fact that shogun 2 playerbase grew in 30% since legend started covering it again says a lot
Also it's an actually good (amazing even) game, unlike anything they've released since Rome 2 (with the exception of Attila)
Yeah. One of these videos popped up on my YT feed and I've decided to watch it, then another one and another one and eventually I started my own campaign as Hattori, because I wanted to see if I can effectively employ Legend's tactics.
@@Jeyeyeyey3K? Warhammer?
That's unfair. Shogun 2 is my favourite TW, but WH2 was solid from day 1.
Best total war game