What do you mean by 'you should hear the fuel pump running'? The fuel pump on these cars is an Autovac, which will provide all the fuel you need for starting before it starts to suck from the tank by manifold vacuum. Autovacs have a substantial reservoir built in.
I actually made this video to help the new owner of my P1 when I sold it, and on that particular car I had fitted an electric fuel pump. I've left the video up because there just isn't much like this online)
@@phantomroller I read about a guy who retrofitted a 6v LED headlight system (from Amazon) into his Model A Ford. Sometimes, modern stuff just works better.
@@phantomroller I think you must. The irony of life is as you grow older and have the cash to rebuild old cars, your night vision decreases inversely. You end up as Mr.MaGoo but with a very nice car. The brighter the better.
What is the reason for advancing the governor before turning it down prior to ignition off? I always thought that a (not particularly recommended) way of shutting down very old cars with trembler starting ignition was to advance the throttle and turn off the ignition (with the throttle still advanced). This leaves at least one cylinder with a good charge of air/fuel mix, so that later when the ignition is set to retarded and then turned on, the engine will probably start without being cranked. It won't work on high compression engines or without a retarded spark. It is pointless advancing the throttle if you then move it down and then turn ignition off. You do occasionally see old guys footing the accelerator while turning off - silly old coots are remembering how it was once done on Model T's without understanding why, and why it is pointless on anything made after T's became obsolete. Is there an actual separate starting carburetor, which seems unlikely, or does the control just enable an extra jet in the carby, like in old Rover "cold start' controls?
The Phantom doesn't have a trembler ignition. It has a coil plus magneto, with both used simultaneously. There is a starting carburettor, which should be used when starting from cold, and when doing so you must close the governor fully to ensure that all air inlet is passing through the starting carb. The last RR to use a trembler plus magneto ignition was the Ghosts made around 1917. After that they moved to the standard 'Kettering' ignition plus magneto.
@@arburo1 Going by the audio, you are correct about the type of ignition. That is why I said that his advancing the throttle is pointless, as without a trembler ignition circuit, the engine can only be started by cranking (hand cranking or by starter motor as shown in this video. There was a once common misconception that you should give an engine a burst of gasoline/air just when turning off the ignition, which only works on trembler equipped vehicles eg early Rolls Royces and Ford Model T's, which may then later start spontaneously without cranking, as soon as the trembler is turned on. And even if trembler ignition is fitted, advancing the throttle is pointless if you move it back BEFORE cutting the ignition, as the cylinders will then be just as lacking in charge as when just idled before shutoff.
@@keithammleter3824 Quite correct. There is no point in blipping the throttle on any engine when switching off. On trembler equipped engines such as the early Ghost one can start by hand cranking for two revs and then setting the ignition to late, then switching on. The engine should start 'on the switch'. This works on trembler cars because of the continuous shower of sparks, but not on the later cars because they have only a single spark. On a good engine with coil ignition it can be possible to start on the switch by moving the ignition control such that the contact breaker breaks the circuit and produces a spark. I used to be able to do this on my 1933 20/25.
Usually the Phantom has a foot operated starter button fitted to the bulkhead. Some cars have this fitted to the instrument panel at the request of the original purchaser.
Call me a pedant, but I really do not believe in using the term 'Phantom I'. I am very much in favour of using the proper 'New Phantom' moniker which was given by the company as the model's name. Only latterly did members of the press begin to refer to this model as the Phantom I to distinguish it from the Phantom II, which at the time that it was introduced was the "new Phantom". Nowadays, neither cars are new and so there is no need for the distinction, thus New Phantom and Phantom II should suffice as the correct nomenclature.
Straightforward. Got it. Next time someone throws me the keys to a Phantom 1 I'll be good to go.
Even the start-up and engine shut-down is amazing on these old Phantoms.
Brilliant ! A concise and informative video, excellent. Thank you.
Just what I was looking for.
Well done, and thanks very much for posting.
What do you mean by 'you should hear the fuel pump running'? The fuel pump on these cars is an Autovac, which will provide all the fuel you need for starting before it starts to suck from the tank by manifold vacuum. Autovacs have a substantial reservoir built in.
I actually made this video to help the new owner of my P1 when I sold it, and on that particular car I had fitted an electric fuel pump. I've left the video up because there just isn't much like this online)
@@phantomroller I read about a guy who retrofitted a 6v LED headlight system (from Amazon) into his Model A Ford. Sometimes, modern stuff just works better.
@@gglen2141 I'm actually planning to try 6 v less on the 1923 cadillac I'm currently restoring
6 v leds
@@phantomroller I think you must. The irony of life is as you grow older and have the cash to rebuild old cars, your night vision decreases inversely. You end up as Mr.MaGoo but with a very nice car. The brighter the better.
What is the reason for advancing the governor before turning it down prior to ignition off?
I always thought that a (not particularly recommended) way of shutting down very old cars with trembler starting ignition was to advance the throttle and turn off the ignition (with the throttle still advanced). This leaves at least one cylinder with a good charge of air/fuel mix, so that later when the ignition is set to retarded and then turned on, the engine will probably start without being cranked. It won't work on high compression engines or without a retarded spark. It is pointless advancing the throttle if you then move it down and then turn ignition off.
You do occasionally see old guys footing the accelerator while turning off - silly old coots are remembering how it was once done on Model T's without understanding why, and why it is pointless on anything made after T's became obsolete.
Is there an actual separate starting carburetor, which seems unlikely, or does the control just enable an extra jet in the carby, like in old Rover "cold start' controls?
The Phantom doesn't have a trembler ignition. It has a coil plus magneto, with both used simultaneously. There is a starting carburettor, which should be used when starting from cold, and when doing so you must close the governor fully to ensure that all air inlet is passing through the starting carb. The last RR to use a trembler plus magneto ignition was the Ghosts made around 1917. After that they moved to the standard 'Kettering' ignition plus magneto.
@@arburo1 Going by the audio, you are correct about the type of ignition. That is why I said that his advancing the throttle is pointless, as without a trembler ignition circuit, the engine can only be started by cranking (hand cranking or by starter motor as shown in this video. There was a once common misconception that you should give an engine a burst of gasoline/air just when turning off the ignition, which only works on trembler equipped vehicles eg early Rolls Royces and Ford Model T's, which may then later start spontaneously without cranking, as soon as the trembler is turned on.
And even if trembler ignition is fitted, advancing the throttle is pointless if you move it back BEFORE cutting the ignition, as the cylinders will then be just as lacking in charge as when just idled before shutoff.
@@keithammleter3824 Quite correct. There is no point in blipping the throttle on any engine when switching off. On trembler equipped engines such as the early Ghost one can start by hand cranking for two revs and then setting the ignition to late, then switching on. The engine should start 'on the switch'. This works on trembler cars because of the continuous shower of sparks, but not on the later cars because they have only a single spark. On a good engine with coil ignition it can be possible to start on the switch by moving the ignition control such that the contact breaker breaks the circuit and produces a spark. I used to be able to do this on my 1933 20/25.
Handcrank?
Fun. But I can't hear the clock.
Literally did not show how to start the car we are left to assume there is a button somewhere on the right out of shot? I hate youtube.
Usually the Phantom has a foot operated starter button fitted to the bulkhead. Some cars have this fitted to the instrument panel at the request of the original purchaser.
Call me a pedant, but I really do not believe in using the term 'Phantom I'. I am very much in favour of using the proper 'New Phantom' moniker which was given by the company as the model's name. Only latterly did members of the press begin to refer to this model as the Phantom I to distinguish it from the Phantom II, which at the time that it was introduced was the "new Phantom". Nowadays, neither cars are new and so there is no need for the distinction, thus New Phantom and Phantom II should suffice as the correct nomenclature.