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  • Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
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    00:28 - $239 for Plex Pass?!?!?!?!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 130

  • @nascompares
    @nascompares  Місяць тому +10

    *Important* keep in mind that the $239 Plex Pass price is massively unconfirmed, BUT Plex is definitely going to up the prices and this (at least for me) was a good enough catalyst to have this discussion! As mentioned at the outro, I am not affiliated with Plex, I don't have any affiliate/sponsorship from them (or indeed anything, aside from amazon product links in the description) and this isn't me 'selling plex', but I do think they need to address their internal cashflow issues!

  • @mattbehymer752
    @mattbehymer752 Місяць тому +16

    It reminds me of how my phone carrier kept trying to pressure me into upgrading my plan because the plan i was currently grandfathered into was too good.

    • @rustyshackleford7200
      @rustyshackleford7200 23 дні тому

      And they'll do the same thing, they'll make a new tier with more features and cut the features of the current plex pass so that your current lifetime pass doesn't cut it.

  • @evanboyle
    @evanboyle Місяць тому +9

    I'm glad you made this video. I will be buying my first NAS next week and Plex was something I was interested in. May as well pick it up now while it's cheaper! Price for me was $159 Cad which was $178 after tax; not too bad for lifetime access.

    • @lu544
      @lu544 Місяць тому

      I bought my nas a month ago. I still need to build it out. Going with unraid but still guess I need to buy Plex now too. Though I thought they did black Friday deals....

  • @WhoDeanyUnchained
    @WhoDeanyUnchained Місяць тому +10

    Lifetime pass has been easily worth it for me. No regrets. However,
    1.) I am concerned of more features being removed. I really miss the photos backup that was taken away a couple years ago.
    2.) I'm also concerned that the company will fold and the software becomes less useful/supported.
    3.) I don't like that they STILL collect my data, even after paying for the service. If it were free, then it makes sense to profit from user data to cover expenses.

  • @Oliver_JW
    @Oliver_JW Місяць тому +48

    Oh no! *fires up Jellyfin* ....anyway

  • @aznhomig
    @aznhomig Місяць тому +7

    Subscription services always go in this direction. They try to build up a subscriber base with a relatively cheap price compared to the alternative at the time, and when growth targets inevitably don't meet expectations, it's time to squeeze more out of the existing subscriber base to earn more profits to appear attractive to investors or the stock market if they are publicly traded. Happens every time. Look at what Xbox and Sony did with their game subscriptions. Jacked up the prices significantly.

  • @vegemite_toast
    @vegemite_toast Місяць тому +2

    I bought my DS918+ almost 6 years ago and you've always been my go-to troubleshooter. LOVE the new studio look!!

  • @meptalon
    @meptalon Місяць тому +10

    To be fair, they announced almost a year ago they would increase the price in a notable fashion. I found it already hard when I had it ona discount at $99, but paying almost $240 (plus tax!!!) for something knowing how they do NOT follow user's requests but rather continue their own path of self-destruction with more data capture/selling, more ad-sponsored services nobody asked for... it will probably be their downfall £240 doesn't cut it when you have Jellyfin around

    • @lu544
      @lu544 Місяць тому

      Tell me more about the data capture and selling? What have they done?

  • @clansome
    @clansome Місяць тому +3

    I remember my son buying his Plex Pass for 79.99 (cannot remember whether it was USD or GBP at the time), he encouraged me to follow suit but I missed it so had to pay 119 instead. Do I regret not buying at 79 andd not 119, of course: do I regret buying at 119, NO WAY, bloody good buy. That was a decade ago (February 2014) and I haven't paid a penny since. Even at twice the price it's still well worth it.

  • @SaiyanJin85
    @SaiyanJin85 Місяць тому +5

    btw Jelyfin is soooo slow on my 2023 lg tv to the point it's almost unusable to navigate it

  • @kineticman123
    @kineticman123 Місяць тому +19

    Lifetime membership. Is it worth it? YES!

    • @kineticman123
      @kineticman123 Місяць тому

      Actually don't take my word for it. I got it on offer.

    • @TheJoBlackos
      @TheJoBlackos Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, I will still got it at 250$ it is still wayyyy better than jellyfin

    • @plebius
      @plebius 25 днів тому

      ​@@TheJoBlackoshave used both. Found not much of a difference tbh..may I ask what it is that you find is better. (Just out of curiosity)

  • @francmassaneda
    @francmassaneda 29 днів тому

    god bless i got plex pass at 70$ couple years back

  • @Millaren
    @Millaren Місяць тому +2

    After seeing this video I said the hell with it and I just want to buy myself a lifetime

  • @OVERKILL_PINBALL
    @OVERKILL_PINBALL Місяць тому +15

    to be honest, $119 for lifetime was too cheap... Plex needs to pay the bills

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  Місяць тому +2

      #THIS

    • @PieVsCake
      @PieVsCake Місяць тому +4

      Agreed perhaps.. but I will be quite heated if as a current owner of the lifetime pass they make me pay more and dont grandfather me in

    • @pr0jectSkyneT
      @pr0jectSkyneT 29 днів тому

      I bought mine for $70 years ago lol.

  • @UnscuffedIonian
    @UnscuffedIonian Місяць тому +6

    Watching this as a based (broke) Jellyfin enjoyer

  • @ajg71sg81
    @ajg71sg81 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for the heads up on those signals and discussion around pricing. They'll probably move to subscription only model is my feel on where it's heading (with grandfathered-in lifetime licenses).

  • @PeperazziTube
    @PeperazziTube 29 днів тому

    Lifetime Plex Pass that I bought in 2019: $100
    Comparing that with $5/month, I would have spent $300.

  • @sanguineel
    @sanguineel Місяць тому +18

    Imagine paying a subscription when the entire point of the product is to avoid subscriptions

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  Місяць тому +4

      I can only speak for myself, but I ONY pay for plex for the H/W transcoding and a bunch of small QOL improvements in how media playback in handled. at a bit over £100 quid, I am happy... but over £200... hmmmmmm

    • @TheShortStory
      @TheShortStory Місяць тому

      Paying one to avoid many more makes good financial sense. I’m sure it’s not worth it to everyone but it sure was to me (until I got the forever pass many years ago)
      Inflation is up for everything and every other streamer has been raising prices. No surprise Plex follows suit. It’s not a charity

  • @neilm9400
    @neilm9400 Місяць тому +1

    £79 for ever, when I bought it and that was due user accounts, given the years of use, it's a small price to support the development.

  • @MisterSixty
    @MisterSixty Місяць тому +2

    Am I the only one who still uses Kodi? It just _works!_ Over the years, the only problems I've had were due to my old hardware, as media evolved from 720p/1080p/4k, I had to up my internal network speeds as well as NAS equipment.
    I tried free Plex and to be honest, it really wasn't bad at all except when I wanted to play 4k.
    Setting up Jellyfin on TrueNas Scale was a royal pain but I got it working; however, I keep going back to Kodi! My main viewing is via the Nvidia Shield TV PRO - it is a wonderful device that I hope Nvidia doesn't abandon.
    *Thanks for the video!*

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  Місяць тому +4

      Literally JUST watched bobs burgers (the Taffy butt episode, if you must know) on a Kodi 19 install on a QNAP, over HDMI in my office. KODI is still just incredible

  • @Aloha_XERO
    @Aloha_XERO 27 днів тому

    Ahhh… nothing like the lovely relaxing sounds of *Seagulls* 😅

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  27 днів тому +1

      I mean .. that's just harsh

    • @Aloha_XERO
      @Aloha_XERO 12 днів тому

      @@nascompares it takes me back to one of my favorite UA-cam channel “Steven the Seagull”

  • @CozumelTy
    @CozumelTy Місяць тому

    I love my lifetime membership! Been using it for like 10 years. Not that I want to pay more but surprised that I have never had to pay again to be honest.

  • @nickthequick
    @nickthequick Місяць тому

    I think Plex is great, and I am happy to have invested in a lifetime subscription years ago. Just look at what Roon did, Roon's lifetime subscription costs $829.99, which is up from $499.99 when Roon first launched.

  • @pr0jectSkyneT
    @pr0jectSkyneT 29 днів тому

    They keep increasing the price but they don't fix bugs fast enough. HDR tone mapping doesn't work on my Proxmox Ubuntu LXC container with Intel Arc A380 passthrough. Also have issues with stuttering with subtitle burn-in for PGS and ASS files.

  • @D35tr0
    @D35tr0 Місяць тому

    I picked my lifetime subscription up about a decade ago for $74.99 :D

  • @TangoFoxtrotWhiskey
    @TangoFoxtrotWhiskey 28 днів тому

    Another reason to be glad I moved to Jellyfin.

  • @davejones538
    @davejones538 Місяць тому +1

    I got a lifetime pass with discount code for around 70 gbp

  • @ultimatemaverick
    @ultimatemaverick Місяць тому +2

    Jellyfin and Kodi FTW

  • @dave24-73
    @dave24-73 29 днів тому

    With Jellyfin and Kodi who needs Plex.

  • @SaiyanJin85
    @SaiyanJin85 Місяць тому +1

    Nice watch Robbie! 😀

  • @SuperChocolateCocoaBear
    @SuperChocolateCocoaBear Місяць тому

    Lifetime Membership is always worth it,. Please support the developers that at making software that you use daily.

  • @paulgul1
    @paulgul1 Місяць тому

    If I try and buy a lifetime pass now it's giving me a price of £140, around 180 US dollars, I'll keep the free option thanks

    • @paulgul1
      @paulgul1 Місяць тому

      Interesting, if I go to the Plex web site it's saying £94 for lifetime pass, it seems Plex has lost the plot a bit. It doesn't give users much confidence in their system if that can't decide on the subscription rates

  • @bikerchrisukk
    @bikerchrisukk Місяць тому

    Good video Rob, it's a fair question, they do provide a good package, setting aside the user supplying the hardware. I've been a plex pass user, then tried emby, then tried jellyfin and found myself coming back to plex as a free user. I don't need phone access and only watch content locally, though sometimes I might want to watch things away from home and there's a free solution for that. I might become a paid user in the future though, can't expect them to let me freeload them forever, things don't continue to exist if they have no income.

  • @sutty101
    @sutty101 Місяць тому

    Paid €81 in 2022 for my life time. Had done a couple of yearly passes at that point. But it was more worth it to do the lifetime. Was it worth it? Probably. I dont have many on my plex server as it couldnt handle it till recently. So now that I got my boardband sorted I have started upgrading my server. Starting to invite people now. So the transcoding will come in helpful.

  • @Adam-hy6hm
    @Adam-hy6hm Місяць тому

    I seem you remember you have mentioned Plex will increase their prices in a previous video but we are still waiting.

  • @syl764
    @syl764 Місяць тому

    I think the lifetime pass is probably currently under priced - but $240 would be too much. 5 years worth is probably the absolute limit (who knows if the product will still be around in 5 years). It would also be nice if there was a (?10%) discount off the lifetime pass for every year you had already been a subscriber (perhaps up to a maximum of 50%).

  • @stevesmith9081
    @stevesmith9081 Місяць тому +8

    Jellyfin it is then

  • @RingwelskiJacek
    @RingwelskiJacek Місяць тому +2

    I got rid of plex a while ago and switched to Jellyfin.

    • @TheJoBlackos
      @TheJoBlackos Місяць тому +1

      Good for you. I tried it and got back to Plex

    • @ilseparatio2963
      @ilseparatio2963 Місяць тому

      @@TheJoBlackos why?

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      @@ilseparatio2963 Because it's exactly like a lot of open source software...almost there, but not quite. Also for me, 4k HDR media files just dont play as well or at all on Jellyfin. I run both servers just to have them, but Plex works 100% of the time.

  • @myria2834
    @myria2834 Місяць тому

    If their lifetime membership plan has lost them money, that is entirely on them. You are supposed to invest those one time lifetime member payments so you get a stable passive income, not burn it all that year on shortsighted purchases. Those are covered by monthly payers.
    Incompetence at money management is not an excuse. Jacking up the price when you can't properly manage money just makes the problem more expensive.

  • @robn135
    @robn135 Місяць тому

    So you're saying that waiting until Black Friday is a likely recipe for disappointment?

  • @IntoxicatedVortex
    @IntoxicatedVortex Місяць тому

    With Sony killing off blu ray sales to the consumer very recently I'm seeing a smaller and smaller reason for Plex as a whole. This does force me into streaming which doesn't fill me with joy. That said, it makes for a far simpler and cheaper NAS deployment, plus, I can just do the annual streaming platform rotation on a yearly (or other) basis as its not like I need them all at the one time anyway. FWIW, I do not have Plex.

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      Sony isn't killing off it's blu-ray movie business. They killed off writeable blank media that not many people use any more.

  • @jodajackson4489
    @jodajackson4489 Місяць тому

    Crikey that’s a kick to the gonads. Still, when I bought my Lifetime Plex Pass I waited until it was on sale during the holiday seasons. I like Plex but I F@#king loved Windows Media Center. If Microsoft were to bring back WMC I’d switch in a heartbeat!

  • @annoyed-intern
    @annoyed-intern Місяць тому

    For the money conscious new users this will just push them to use jellyfin. And at this point, if I hadn’t already bought Plex pass, and now was to pay that much I’d much rather contribute to jellyfin. Cause only reason I switched away from jellyfin because I was too much of a noob at that point to figure out reverse proxies.

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      Jellyfin isn't Plex. Jellyfin is close, but they still have some things to work out, including that god awful interface.

  • @paws1955
    @paws1955 Місяць тому

    Call me cynical, but what if Plex "accidentally" put the price there to get people, as some here are proposing, to grab a lifetime membership before the phantom increase? It would be interesting to see the spike.

  • @qalih
    @qalih Місяць тому

    This video sounds like a great marketing strat to get people to jump onto the current price.

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  Місяць тому +2

      lol yep... and if they were paying for it, I would agree. Sadly, it's just me and my painfully free opinions. I like plex... but I do not '$239-love' it!!!

  • @mpmarvin999
    @mpmarvin999 Місяць тому

    THEY'RE RAISING THE PRICE OF PL..... oh wait I forgot I have a lifetime pass with Emby for MUCH cheaper than what Plex is offering now. I'm good.

  • @naitcalo2141
    @naitcalo2141 Місяць тому +2

    Jellyfin all the way, I don't see the point of PLEX unless you are into thier TV services.

    • @syl764
      @syl764 Місяць тому +2

      3 of my TVs have a Plex app. Only one of my TVs has a Jellyfin app.

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      Jellyfin still struggles with some 4k HDR. Once they work that out, maybe.

    • @naitcalo2141
      @naitcalo2141 Місяць тому

      @@wojtek-33 For me its wors perfectly fine 4k HDR10 with tone mapping enabled

    • @SimonWakefieldUK
      @SimonWakefieldUK 22 дні тому +1

      The thing is though, it's easier to supply something cheaply or feee when you are small but the bigger you get the more you need to cover those costs. If everyone dropped Plex and went to Jellyfin or Emby then they would almost certainly find themselves in a situation where they need to start looking at the kind of thing Plex have had to do (plus they would have to start legitimising themselves rather than being seen as a tool that aids pirates which is something we have seen Plex try to do to prevent any potential legal issues). It's ultimately good for Jellyfin and Emby users that Plex exists to a point they most likely even themselves not want anything including cost for licences to to have a significant impact on Alex user numbers

  • @whya2ndaccount
    @whya2ndaccount Місяць тому

    I still don't understand why they ask you to pay for "lifetime" access and yet they still run adds for people who have paid for this premium.
    Not for me thank you.

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      What ads? I've used Plex Pass for years and have never seen an ad except on the the free movies they offer, which is no different than other free movie services.

  • @jay-em
    @jay-em 23 дні тому

    *Lifetime = until they go out of business

  • @JimLigon
    @JimLigon Місяць тому

    I've had a Lifetime Plex Pass for years. This doesn't affect me. 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @maxherman11
    @maxherman11 Місяць тому

    Look, I LOVE Plex, and I have a lifetime pass, however, given there have been ZERO improvements in YEARS they cannot raise the price. If they raise the price and make it monthly, I need them to overhaul a few things, one, fix the cellular quality bug when remote playing for gods sake, it has been reported SO MANY TIMES, and has existed for 3 years now. Two, offer more transcoding options, I don't need 8 mbps for 1080p, we should have an option if we want 2 mbps 1080p and not to have to drop to 720p, that is dumb.

    • @TheShortStory
      @TheShortStory Місяць тому +1

      “Zero improvements” is nonsense. There are constant updates, bug fixes and support for new apps and devices. Sure, it doesn’t meet every feature request (including mine) but that is the case for any product.

  • @adacPROKYON
    @adacPROKYON Місяць тому +3

    maybe they should layoff more people instead

  • @jackelofnar
    @jackelofnar Місяць тому

    Its hard to justify $249 for plex when Emby is $119, but even if not you think it's not as good thats 4 blurays

    • @sl1ckk1ll3r
      @sl1ckk1ll3r Місяць тому

      As a long time plex user this tells me one of 2 things, only be concerned if you transcode and if you do use Jellyfin as it is FOSS

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  Місяць тому

      mark my words! If Plex ups it's price... within 2 months, Emby will too - that's not a dis/insult for them (exceptional platform), but they will definitely 'mirror' their biggest competitor to a degree

    • @sl1ckk1ll3r
      @sl1ckk1ll3r Місяць тому

      @@nascompares as always Rob, speaking facts Plex has been great for a long time but never without its clear downfalls to individuals that want a free service as for both Plex and Emby it is just unsustainable. Also I've got an update on your IOCrest USB4 to 10GBe issues

  • @Sheebert
    @Sheebert Місяць тому +2

    guys jellyfin is the superior option, dont buy plex

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      It's not. I run both servers and Plex plays everything. Jellyfin doesn't.

    • @Sheebert
      @Sheebert Місяць тому +2

      @@wojtek-33 Jellyfin definitely plays everything

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      @@Sheebert There is a whole discussion about Dolby vision issues on jellyfin GitHub as recent as 2 weeks ago...

  • @anthonywarburton7765
    @anthonywarburton7765 29 днів тому

    SWITCH TO JELLYFIN

  • @andymoran8624
    @andymoran8624 Місяць тому

    jellyfin, or shockingly, for most everyone NOTHING, because who really NEEDS to hoard a bunch of stuff probably only worth watching maybe once anyway

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      Yeah I have thought of that, but I can't delete all my media, especially after the weeks of time of ripping movies. And the way streaming is heading, it's not a cost effective or reliable option.

  • @FructusSum
    @FructusSum Місяць тому +1

    Honestly i always thought plex lifetime pass was a stupid idea, there is a cap on your market share if everyone in your market gets a lifetime pass then you have no more income....

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  Місяць тому +2

      I think 'lifetime' passes are going to stop being a thing VERY soon! It was a great '2nd/3rd age of the internet' idea... but now, it's gonna just be the nightmare anchor that can sink the ship!

  • @tonep3168
    @tonep3168 Місяць тому +3

    Time to leave, it’s lost its way anyway.

    • @ChristopherPhillips
      @ChristopherPhillips Місяць тому

      How has it?

    • @PolarRed
      @PolarRed Місяць тому +1

      thing is though, from my experience at least, nothing better is available at the moment though. Neither Jellyfin nor Emby are equal to Plex, close maybe, but not equal to! When there is, then we'll see.

    • @ChristopherPhillips
      @ChristopherPhillips Місяць тому +1

      @@PolarRed agreed. I don't get the vitriol. If there is better I'll move too

  • @ThePaulpope
    @ThePaulpope Місяць тому

    WTF does plex do beside a silly pretty interface .......can't see it worth anything really

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 Місяць тому

      Plays 4k HDR files flawlessly. If you're not into that, then Jellyfin is fine.

  • @nlrz313
    @nlrz313 Місяць тому

    I understand that the bosses of Plex always want more money, that's their only goal in life, plus they are in a dominant position given that they have absolutely no competitors...
    I don't regret having bought the Plex Pass for nothing with a VPN (in Argentina I think).

    • @nlrz313
      @nlrz313 Місяць тому

      I just saw that to use jellyfin, you need a reverse proxy, TLS, a domain name (paid), configure fail2ban, configure several software programs inaccessible to anyone who doesn't eat computers for breakfast, like nginx , Let's Encrypt, certbot, all horrible things full of incomprehensible configuration files...
      In the multimedia server market, there really is Plex and nothing else.

  • @adz4u28
    @adz4u28 Місяць тому

    4d chess, drop the increase = more people subscribe.

  • @qalih
    @qalih Місяць тому

    Talk about pulling up the drawbridge. "I've got it, I want to the best features and want others to pay more than I did to continue getting those". This is how the privileged maintain their position, astonishing!

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  Місяць тому +1

      hmm... the bigger plex gets, the more support it needs in it's user-facing services... they said last year they were exploring fundraising methods (eww... those streaming tv things were gross + losing 20% of the staff must of been killer). I genuinely think they should up the prices... but not to 239!

    • @clansome
      @clansome Місяць тому

      @@nascompares tbh they should have been "creeping" the life time pass prices over the last decade at say 10 more each year would then land you at 220 now and have helped their cashflow. Amazon have done it with Prime and they have an awful lot more cash floating about.
      I'm an old bugger now, and while this is definitely OT, I remember my brother and his wife being given a National Trust Lifetime membership as a wedding present many, many years ago. I think it was £900 (but I could be way wrong) To do that today would cost over £4,200 so they (National Trust) know the value od steadily increasing the price through the years. Still way cheaper for the consumer over the long run compared to a subscriprion etc.

  • @methanoid
    @methanoid Місяць тому +3

    IF its coming its dumb... they need to DROP the price... Hard to compete with Jellyfin's FREE price... I did THINK about buying when there are the offers around 50% but not seen for a while... its a total rip off IMHO at £95 or $120 or whatever it is...

    • @simdevils
      @simdevils Місяць тому +2

      Plex is way more polished than Jellyfin

    • @praetorxyn
      @praetorxyn Місяць тому

      ​@@simdevilsNo it isn't. I'm a Lifetime Plex Pass subscriber and an Emby Premiere Lifetime subscriber. I run all three side by side pointed at the same media library so I can compare them. Plex is the only one I never use.

    • @PolarRed
      @PolarRed Місяць тому

      With the experience I've had with Jellyfin, I'm more than happy I paid for Plex Lifetime, about 60€ on offer years ago! Won't be so happy if they change the conditions of the Lifetime now though, that's for sure.

  • @PW-72648
    @PW-72648 Місяць тому

    Imagine paying for botnet

  • @ricsip
    @ricsip Місяць тому

    Can anyone point me to a DETAILED TECHNICAL explanation of what is Plex, how does it work, what network connection goes to where? Their official docs is a literal garbage, and insufficient. I expect someone made some network drawing, where does the traffic goes, and how my various endpoints could grab those media files. I honestly expect someone can post a meaningful blogpost or a PROPER youtube video. All I found on YT sofar is AD-infested junk and incluencer BS.

    • @syl764
      @syl764 Місяць тому

      Your endpoints connect directly over the internet (or LAN if local) to your own media server, where you store your own video files. Plex's server just points your endpoints in the right direction. In the event that your endpoints cannot directly connect to your server, Plex offers a relay/proxy service on their servers, but this is capped at 1-2 Mbps.

  • @facebookjunkgames6402
    @facebookjunkgames6402 Місяць тому

    I would be OK if they just had 2 version. Plex for my movies, tv and stuff, Nothing else. and then their new stuff with streaming and junk. Just let my local version work without needing to talk to any of their servers. Then they could charge more for their services filled version, and the stand alone version would need very little work and support.