Excellent ident review of Tyne Tees, Adam! Tyne Tees has a lot of interesting idents, just like other ITV stations and networks. The connected "TTTV" logo that was used from the late 1960s until the 1990s looks very interesting if you ask me. Really interesting, just like the Granada "G Arrow" logo.
Your knowledge and expertise on idents and television history astounds me. This is a series of idents that I feel has the most variations out of some of those you've reviewed. Really interesting!
It is particularly notable that Tyne Tees updated their ident sequence in 1979 - they were still using the 1970 sequence up until their abrupt closedown on the afternoon of 1979-08-10. When they returned, the new sequence was used. It is not clear whether it saw any use at all on 1979-10-24 but it was certainly used the next day. In about 1999, I was at a conference in Newcastle with a friend. Watching the local weather, he asked me "What's TTTV?" - our hotel was next door to the studio, as it happened!
The unofficial story about why the River Wear wasn't included in the station name isn't because of the length, but a far more practical reason: Tyne Wear And Tees I'll leave you to work it out 😆😆😆
Among the changes brought about by the Broadcasting Act (1991), was permission for ITV contractors to hold two regional licenses. Yorkshire and Tyne Tees responded to this by merging, as both had bid quite high, to retain their respective franchises and needed to combine, in order to cut costs; the irony being that both had previously been owned by Trident Television, before the IBA changed their rules to stop regional companies holding more than one license. That Broadcasting Act also rebranded ITV, to Channel 3, originally, but that stipulation was dropped before the Act became law. Bruce Gyngell - who'd previously run TV-am - was taken on as Managing Director of Yorkshire Tyne Tees and (being an avid supporter of Thatcher, who was in favour of renaming ITV) decided to rebrand Tyne Tees, as "Channel 3 North East"; note that Yorkshire idents retained the "Y" symbol, whilst the "TTTV" one disappeared, completely! The old TTTV logo reappeared, after Granada Media Group took over Yorkshire Tyne Tees and dropped the "Channel 3" ident package, across both franchises, completely.
How come you don't do "before we go the final closing words from our broadcaster" video ending anymore When you get to LWT you should end the video with the channel tribute when they were going off air for good on 27-28 October 2002 where they show one of their announcers Trish Bertram on camera with Glenn Thompson behind the mic
There were actually three versions of the 1991 ident - the greyscale one you show was introduced in 1992. Prior to that was a dark gray variant and coloured one. They never actually dropped the 1999 generic look - the final Angel of the North ident was only shown before regional programmes.
Tyne Tees folk here. I live in the Tees region (mainly Stockton) which has Tyne Tees, and the first branding I saw was the 2000 one. I kinda like it when I first saw it, but I also remember the 1998/9 ITV rebrand and the ITV1 idents when I was little. This was before I saw the rest of the idents on TVARK, and I loved a lot of the idents because of the music being very nice and visually appealing. Not really a fan of the North East 3 idents as they dropped the TTTV symbol, but luckily the symbol was brought back with an updated symbol. Not saying I thought it's bad, but it's not the best. Is it just me, or do I find the 1992 idents music and visuals pretty atmospheric, though? I also love how the 1991 varient, while reusing the ITV ident music, has pictures of what's in these regions. It's a pretty good ident review there, Adam, and since I am in that region, I had to watch it. That, and me being an ident enthusiast myself.
The black and white TTTV ident is a mock, it was never used by the station. In the early 70s they just used a still logo of the same design, and the colour one only came in in 1975. It should be noted as well that they didn't use animated logos at all for most of the 1960s as well as the early 70s.
@@andrewswift9039 The animated ident was withdrawn in the early 1960s (wasn't around back then but the archives confirm this). They went through a few variations of the TTT logo design over the years but all were static. Also they did use the TTT logo for a while in the early 1970s and there are examples of colour TTT front/ endboards in the archives from 1970/71. I think (though I'm not sure) that the TTTV logo only came in during mid-1971, being static until 75. At this point Tyne Tees were broke; they had informed the IBA that their licence wasn't viable in August 1970 as they were still paying levies based on 1960s income, and were committed to higher than average regional output, for a region where not only had the population gone down by a few hundred thousand due to people leaving the area due to a depression in the local economy in the 60s but had become poorer, and the final straw was the allocation of Bilsdale to YTV, which destroyed their finances. During the early 70s they were effectively down to just two colour studios at City Road, in-vision continuity was axed and the company was doing anything it could to save money. Regional output in the North East was absolutely hopeless at this point but the IBA went along with it as they knew that there was no-one else willing to take on the contract as it was, and the alternative was no ITV contractor for a major English region. TTTV had gone from being larger than Anglia to barely any larger than Westward in terms of revenue in about five years. Shiny new logos were off the menu! This period scarred Tyne Tees for ever afterwards - they were averse to spending money and had learned how to run a company on a shoestring - and this attitude never really left them through the 80s.
The Anchor sequence always happened at startup when the 'Picasso' ,'Burnhope' card faded into the animation at the 'Hornpipe' at the start of the 'Blaydon Races' portion of 'The Three Rivers Fantasy'. The Anchor animation occasionally appeared at programme junctions, particularly before the ITN news broadcasts. It is true that home-grown programmes were only begun and ended with static branding.
@@michaeldavison9761 OK fair enough, I was under the impression that they stopped using the original animated ident completely in around 1964 but happy to be corrected. Certainly by the late '60s/early '70s it was all static, with a jingle played out over the static caption based on Blaydon Races.
I don't understand why that earliest channel ident also says 'channel 8'. There was only one other channel broadcasting at that time (BBC), with a third channel (BBC2) coming in the mid 60s and Channel 4 in 1982. Could someone please explain why they identified as Channel 8 as I can't see television sets in that period having at least 8 preset channel buttons.
How many more ITV channels do you have left until you finish this batch? All I know is the ones we're still missing are Thames Carlton Yorkshire LWT London Weekend Television
Tyne Tees generally only used the version of the ident with Colour written on it before programmes they had made for the network. Regionally , it wasn't used much, a static logo slide was used more. The 1979 zoom in ident was first seen on the night that the strike was over. Programmes had resumed at 5.45pm with the Thames national emergency service and Tyne Tees took control of the region at approx 8.30 -9.00 pm and played the new ident for the first time. In the following weeks, Thames announcer Tom Edwards did a few shifts on Tyne Tees. I hated the Channel 3 North East branding and told them so when their boss was taking calls on a local radio phone in. I told him straight that it was the biggest balls up ever. I was glad it didn't last long. I also hated the version with the fat letters, it looked like an attempt to draw the logo by a 5 year old. Then the biggest balls up got bigger, ITV branding. I think that most people would rather have the federal network back, with local programmes and presentation.
I prefer the 70s and updated 80s ident. I'm in London so had the greatest Thames Television and LWT. They had fantastic identities. Obviously the best Thames one didn't need to be updated apart from a few very minor tweaks over the years. Tv was better then
It was because its signal reaches across most of County Durham, and Tyne Tees was completely unviable without this part of its patch. Bilsdale was originally allocated to Yorkshire and this resulted in the near-bankruptcy of Tyne Tees in the 1970s and subsequent takeover by Yorkshire. The company had been crippled by severe recession in the North East anyway so the alternative was no North East ITV company. Even with Bilsdale the station's finances were rocky for a long time, only really recovering in the 1980s.
The 1988 one is the best ones though because the yellow represents sand at a beach and the blue represents water or the sea. I'd say that it's anything but lacking!
Excellent ident review of Tyne Tees, Adam! Tyne Tees has a lot of interesting idents, just like other ITV stations and networks. The connected "TTTV" logo that was used from the late 1960s until the 1990s looks very interesting if you ask me. Really interesting, just like the Granada "G Arrow" logo.
I didn't know it was a network. I'm learning new things from the master of ident review himself!
Your knowledge and expertise on idents and television history astounds me. This is a series of idents that I feel has the most variations out of some of those you've reviewed. Really interesting!
Thank you my lovely 🥰 really glad that you find them interesting 😘❤
As a non-UK viewer, I really admire your work and I love your ident reviews!
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It is particularly notable that Tyne Tees updated their ident sequence in 1979 - they were still using the 1970 sequence up until their abrupt closedown on the afternoon of 1979-08-10. When they returned, the new sequence was used. It is not clear whether it saw any use at all on 1979-10-24 but it was certainly used the next day.
In about 1999, I was at a conference in Newcastle with a friend. Watching the local weather, he asked me "What's TTTV?" - our hotel was next door to the studio, as it happened!
The unofficial story about why the River Wear wasn't included in the station name isn't because of the length, but a far more practical reason:
Tyne
Wear
And
Tees
I'll leave you to work it out 😆😆😆
Who wants to work in any capacity for a company called TWAT?
The late 90s idents had the best music for me because it sounds like the sort of music you would hear on an ident for a movie production company
As someone from this region I just want to say thanks for showing off our little corner of the world
Thank you Adam Martyn I'd been waiting for that regional from the ITV Network. My favourite Tyne Tees logo is the one from 1979-1988
Cool video Adam Tyne Tees was a good ITV region my favourite Ident was the 1979 Ident.
Ah yes, the ITV franchise from my neck of the woods. The Channel 3 North East branding brings back some memories, as does it's immediate successor.
Didn't like the C3NE branding at all.
Among the changes brought about by the Broadcasting Act (1991), was permission for ITV contractors to hold two regional licenses. Yorkshire and Tyne Tees responded to this by merging, as both had bid quite high, to retain their respective franchises and needed to combine, in order to cut costs; the irony being that both had previously been owned by Trident Television, before the IBA changed their rules to stop regional companies holding more than one license.
That Broadcasting Act also rebranded ITV, to Channel 3, originally, but that stipulation was dropped before the Act became law. Bruce Gyngell - who'd previously run TV-am - was taken on as Managing Director of Yorkshire Tyne Tees and (being an avid supporter of Thatcher, who was in favour of renaming ITV) decided to rebrand Tyne Tees, as "Channel 3 North East"; note that Yorkshire idents retained the "Y" symbol, whilst the "TTTV" one disappeared, completely! The old TTTV logo reappeared, after Granada Media Group took over Yorkshire Tyne Tees and dropped the "Channel 3" ident package, across both franchises, completely.
Tyne Tees is my region so the 80s and 90s idents take me back.
Being a Yorkshire man I'm going to seem biast here, but you can't beat the Yorkshire television ident from the 70s/80s, now that really did stand out
How come you don't do "before we go the final closing words from our broadcaster" video ending anymore
When you get to LWT you should end the video with the channel tribute when they were going off air for good on 27-28 October 2002 where they show one of their announcers Trish Bertram on camera with Glenn Thompson behind the mic
I grew up with Tyne Tees. The joined up TTTV was the best
Loving this review Adam!
The early 90s "images" were all recognisable local scenes, in particular the clock faces (actual faces!) from the entrance to Metroland.
There were actually three versions of the 1991 ident - the greyscale one you show was introduced in 1992. Prior to that was a dark gray variant and coloured one.
They never actually dropped the 1999 generic look - the final Angel of the North ident was only shown before regional programmes.
I imagine this is the one Ant and Dec grew up with!😃😃😃
Tyne Tees folk here. I live in the Tees region (mainly Stockton) which has Tyne Tees, and the first branding I saw was the 2000 one. I kinda like it when I first saw it, but I also remember the 1998/9 ITV rebrand and the ITV1 idents when I was little.
This was before I saw the rest of the idents on TVARK, and I loved a lot of the idents because of the music being very nice and visually appealing.
Not really a fan of the North East 3 idents as they dropped the TTTV symbol, but luckily the symbol was brought back with an updated symbol. Not saying I thought it's bad, but it's not the best.
Is it just me, or do I find the 1992 idents music and visuals pretty atmospheric, though?
I also love how the 1991 varient, while reusing the ITV ident music, has pictures of what's in these regions.
It's a pretty good ident review there, Adam, and since I am in that region, I had to watch it. That, and me being an ident enthusiast myself.
Anyways, Belated Happy 63rd Anniversary to this Regional TV Channel. They celebrated last Saturday.
I’m From The North East Tyne Tees Area, I’m Only 13 So I Don’t Remember These. But I Wouldn’t Mind If They Brought Them Back.
The black and white TTTV ident is a mock, it was never used by the station. In the early 70s they just used a still logo of the same design, and the colour one only came in in 1975.
It should be noted as well that they didn't use animated logos at all for most of the 1960s as well as the early 70s.
I honestly thought it was genuine so the TTT Channel 8 ident must have been transmitted until July 1970 when TTT went in colour on the 17th.
@@andrewswift9039 The animated ident was withdrawn in the early 1960s (wasn't around back then but the archives confirm this). They went through a few variations of the TTT logo design over the years but all were static.
Also they did use the TTT logo for a while in the early 1970s and there are examples of colour TTT front/ endboards in the archives from 1970/71. I think (though I'm not sure) that the TTTV logo only came in during mid-1971, being static until 75. At this point Tyne Tees were broke; they had informed the IBA that their licence wasn't viable in August 1970 as they were still paying levies based on 1960s income, and were committed to higher than average regional output, for a region where not only had the population gone down by a few hundred thousand due to people leaving the area due to a depression in the local economy in the 60s but had become poorer, and the final straw was the allocation of Bilsdale to YTV, which destroyed their finances.
During the early 70s they were effectively down to just two colour studios at City Road, in-vision continuity was axed and the company was doing anything it could to save money. Regional output in the North East was absolutely hopeless at this point but the IBA went along with it as they knew that there was no-one else willing to take on the contract as it was, and the alternative was no ITV contractor for a major English region.
TTTV had gone from being larger than Anglia to barely any larger than Westward in terms of revenue in about five years. Shiny new logos were off the menu!
This period scarred Tyne Tees for ever afterwards - they were averse to spending money and had learned how to run a company on a shoestring - and this attitude never really left them through the 80s.
The Anchor sequence always happened at startup when the 'Picasso' ,'Burnhope' card faded into the animation at the 'Hornpipe' at the start of the 'Blaydon Races' portion of 'The Three Rivers Fantasy'. The Anchor animation occasionally appeared at programme junctions, particularly before the ITN news broadcasts. It is true that home-grown programmes were only begun and ended with static branding.
@@michaeldavison9761 OK fair enough, I was under the impression that they stopped using the original animated ident completely in around 1964 but happy to be corrected. Certainly by the late '60s/early '70s it was all static, with a jingle played out over the static caption based on Blaydon Races.
I don't understand why that earliest channel ident also says 'channel 8'. There was only one other channel broadcasting at that time (BBC), with a third channel (BBC2) coming in the mid 60s and Channel 4 in 1982. Could someone please explain why they identified as Channel 8 as I can't see television sets in that period having at least 8 preset channel buttons.
How many more ITV channels do you have left until you finish this batch?
All I know is the ones we're still missing are
Thames
Carlton
Yorkshire
LWT London Weekend Television
Tyne Tees generally only used the version of the ident with Colour written on it before programmes they had made for the network. Regionally , it wasn't used much, a static logo slide was used more. The 1979 zoom in ident was first seen on the night that the strike was over. Programmes had resumed at 5.45pm with the Thames national emergency service and Tyne Tees took control of the region at approx 8.30 -9.00 pm and played the new ident for the first time. In the following weeks, Thames announcer Tom Edwards did a few shifts on Tyne Tees. I hated the Channel 3 North East branding and told them so when their boss was taking calls on a local radio phone in. I told him straight that it was the biggest balls up ever. I was glad it didn't last long. I also hated the version with the fat letters, it looked like an attempt to draw the logo by a 5 year old. Then the biggest balls up got bigger, ITV branding. I think that most people would rather have the federal network back, with local programmes and presentation.
Great video
I prefer the 70s and updated 80s ident. I'm in London so had the greatest Thames Television and LWT. They had fantastic identities. Obviously the best Thames one didn't need to be updated apart from a few very minor tweaks over the years. Tv was better then
I still find it strange that Bilsdale which is in North Yorkshire was designated to Tyne Tees TV.
It was because its signal reaches across most of County Durham, and Tyne Tees was completely unviable without this part of its patch. Bilsdale was originally allocated to Yorkshire and this resulted in the near-bankruptcy of Tyne Tees in the 1970s and subsequent takeover by Yorkshire. The company had been crippled by severe recession in the North East anyway so the alternative was no North East ITV company.
Even with Bilsdale the station's finances were rocky for a long time, only really recovering in the 1980s.
Fun Fact: Channel 3 of Tyne Tees and Tyne Tees from 1998 actually stole the music from Alliance Atlantis
It was also heard on the original Grand Theft Auto on one of the radio stations.
The 1988 one is the best ones though because the yellow represents sand at a beach and the blue represents water or the sea. I'd say that it's anything but lacking!
Better than just boring ITV 1
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Tyne Wear And Tees TV wouldn't really work ;-)