30-06 Sucks? Reacting to Impact Shooting's CONTROVERSIAL Video About OLD Cartridges
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- With all the fuss I had to come see what was going on. Do you agree with all the commotion?
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@IMPACTSHOOTING
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For some reason Piet has trama from shooting a 30-06. 😂
I think you got my point... for hunting 30-06 is still really relevant. Piet should have been more clear about whether this is for long range target shooting... or hunting.
Hahaha yes 😂 I only caught that one snippet at the beginning where he said “new guy getting into long range shooting” and right away I was like oh…. Here we go 😂😂🤣🤣
@@DesertRunninOutdoors I don't mean to argue with you... but I never found the part in the video where Impact Shooting said "New guy getting into long range shooting" He did say "new guys getting into the sport" I think he left it up to interpretation... And maybe that is where the heart of the disagreement is. For Impact Shooting a target cartridge is a great hunting cartridge for him. He might think the 6.5 Creedmoor is a great do it all cartridge. While I think it's a poor big game cartridge(Elk and bigger)
You’re good! Not arguing either, it’s somewhere fairly early in the video he references someone new, getting into long range of some variety. I point it out in the video. Don’t disagree with you on the hunting side at all
I'm a target shooter.
I want to use a 300 PRC, but the recoil energy is about 16 joules,
So you really need a brake which is not allowed in F-open.
So I looked at 7mm PRC, the issue there is it's harder to get brass for it here in Australia.
My mate shoots 284w brass is fairly common but expensive.
So I'm likely going to buy a 7mm-08 AI reamer set and get a custom built 7mm-08 AI built with custom dies and a hydro form die.
It's expensive initially, but I can run cheap Winchester brass, or if I want to switch, I can switch to a small rifle primer brass.
Hunters don't really need to worry about brass as much, because a 100 pack of brass is probably plenty.
But when you target shoot, you sometimes need 1-2000 cases of one headstamp.
This is because some matches could see you shoot 1-200 rounds a day, if it's a 5 day comp you can need 1000 rounds loaded.
Audio level on his video is so low that he's almost impossible to hear. Most people would be fine with 30-06, 303, 308, 270, 284, 7mm-08, or whatever. It doesn't really matter. They are at point blank range and they don't need the small difference in energy that they will get from going from a 30-06 to a 300 Win Mag... which he probably also doesn't like. The deer whose ancestors fell dead from a well placed 2,000 ft.lbs 30-30 won't notice the difference between a well placed 3,300 and 3,900 ft.lbs. Most people are wasting their money on fashion. Most people can hardly hit the black on a UIT target at 100 yards when shooting off a bench. So small improvements in performance beyond 1,000 yards aren't going to be noticeable for them. I don't know of a range past 100 yards within hundreds of miles of where I live in the north east forest. There aren't many places we see deer past 100 yards. So I stand by my decision to buy rifles chambered for ammo I can buy in any store.
Dont it dont brake the bank…
I think piet made a great balanced video, I have a 30-06 and it shoots everything I need to up to 200 metres, if I didn't have that I would like to have a 300 prc, oooooooh baby what a weapon. But I'm happy with the old school 30-06, good ammo and you can stretch it out to reach stuff out far.
If you handload , use modern powders , and use the larger bullets 180gr up to 220gr that it has the case capacity for, the 30-06 isn’t a handicap by any means as a baseline hunting gun.
I would choose it and not feel undergunned. Depends on what your use is for and how far.
Haha love my 30-06 I push a hammer hunter at 3150 fps.
Is that a 60 grain?😅
@@LBrawn 124
Basically a 30.06 aka 300 win mag at that speed
I happen to like the 6.5x55 Swede and last year I bought a new rifle chambered in it. If it don't need fixing, don't fix it. LOL
I think he does make a point for what he's intending to do, which is what you say. He's not hunting, he's shooting holes in paper 1000 yards out. Piet follows the crowd, that's why he's shooting a 6 Dasher. It's the cartridge that was in vogue for 1000 yards, but it seems 6 Creedmoor is sneaking in...Piet has bought into fast and flat...so 30-06 is not going to be his favorite cartridge. Would be like mentioning 375 H&H. Still used on the deadliest game in Africa, where Piet is located...I wonder how Piet feels about banded solid monolithics?
Those New Fangled calibers don't start showing off until they get north of 300 yards. If you don't shoot farther than that, stick with what you have.
Very true. I usually look at it like this:
If you currently have say a 7mm rem mag and shoot inside 400 yards, running out and buying a 7 PRC isn’t going to change your life. If your 7mm rem mag is a 15# rifle and you’re tired of carrying it, and don’t mind buying two types of ammo then sure, get the PRC if you want something new. I rarely recommend picking up a new CARTRIDGE if you have something similar unless you’re getting it in a RIFLE that fills a gap for you. Or, if you just want a new rifle for fun, I won’t tell you no either 😂 I think you get what I’m saying.
Well, now you know someone that shoots a 280 Remington. I purchased a Browning A-Bolt in 1985 chambered in 280. It still rocks today. From Red Stag on down, it's amazing. I do however handload 160grain class bullets. My Rifle loves them. If I get a wild hair, I can load within 100fps of the 7 mag. I usually stay around 2800fps with the 160s. It's a tack driver. I've never taken an animal past 250 yards. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I built a 280 Rem as a Precision rifle, it gets 1/8 MOA and it does not go trans-sonic until 1450 yds. Its been used successfully out to 1000 yds.
I have a ruger m77 24 in bl 150 or 160acc is exelent fromm elk to anything under a fantastic caliber.
Yeah, a whole bunch of German and Japanese soldiers thought it sucked as well!!!
Meanwhile at the range; the boys are shooting skeet beside the long range shooters; the assault team in the Toyota with new rifles are approaching town in the Toyota; two old fakers hidden in hay bales take out the driver and the radiator with a Garand and a Marlin 336...........
Yes it's a rebranding. The same projectiles with slightly different case dimensions and capacity. With modern projectiles powders primers and even brass near identical performance can be achieved between calibers. Sure if you're young and you believe the marketing hype and want to buy a whole new gun that shoots a whole new cartridge which is much more expensive go ahead.
This video isn't for me, I don't have any reason to shoot over 400 yards
I noticed he didn’t compare the 300 PRC to the 300 Weatherby, which basically does the same thing. Also I like the 7 PRC but I would never recommend it to anyone. It’s terrible about building a carbon ring with very few shots and most factory ammo is way slow.
I mean, they’re different overall. One is meant to shoot hunting bullets at warp speed, and one is meant to use heavy, high BC bullets at fast enough speeds. No elk is going to know the difference anywhere id shoot them.
HI so as a South African, under our laws the basic citizen can only own 4 firearms. I get it so if you had to choose with that in mind if you have to choose in 2024 will you pick a 30-06?
We have limited number of guns here in Norway and i just bought a 30-06 exactly becuse its tried and tested and available EVERYWHERE. Real question is for anything Moose and smaller why would you choose something else than 30-06?
All these new chamberings are mostly just to sell more rifles, they are not really doing anything new.
The problem is that there are more and more UA-cam greats who really aren't the smartest, but who believe they have to impress everyone with their wisdom. The thing about the twist is true. Older guns usually have too much twist for bullets with good BC, but that can be corrected in new guns or new barrels. The story of higher performance at lower pressure, longer barrel life and lower recoil definitely doesn't add up at all. Objectively speaking, the .30-06 is and remains a very valid cartridge due to its balance, for example for Central European hunting conditions where shooting is not too long (< 350 yd), but where larger game in the elk class are also hunted. At these distances, only mid-range cartridges come into question and it would be absolute nonsense to use magnum cartridges with all their negative side effects. And the .30-06 also has sufficient powder chamber to bring even heavy bullets with good BC to acceptable velocities. Compared to a 6.5 Creedmoor, the .30-06 has a energy advantage at the muzzle of approx. 750 ft lbf and this benefit will definitely be noticeable, especially at rather short ranges and heavy game.
can you explain what to much twist means
@@terrylocke4407
Sorry, the wording was misleading.
English is not my native language.
I meant that the twist rate is too slow.
That means, that the rifling length in which the bullet will spin one revolution is too long.
Modern power make a 30-06 very relevant. But it is to big for dogs.
I have a good friend looking for his first HUNTING rifle right now. He currently shoots a 22-250 I’ve loaned him, and has shot my guns. Trying to get him to buy a 30-06.
He made it clear he was talking about new shooters/hunters in his video. You keep going back to the 200 yard tree stand hunter. Whether you hunt in a tree stand and shoot 200 yards or you’re a long range target shooter doesn’t matter. Why not choose the cartridge that does both things well?
He never said trade your old cartridge to get a newer cartridge, his video was geared towards new shooters.
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I agree with everything Piet said in his video.
His 1956 haircut sucks, LOL
Your stepping on toes there youngfeller don’t mealy mouth the 6.5x55 it ain’t no slouch! (Don’t buy one of them “ kma)
I believe it’s a fine cartridge, there’s just better options if you’re going to go buy a new rifle today. Sure, if you’re a hand loader and have all the dyes, etc yes I get it. If you shoot factory ammo and want a 6.5 there’s no reason to get a 6.5x55 in 2024 unless you just WANT to
@@DesertRunninOutdoors As a Swede, who grew up hunting 6.5X55 I agree. The 6.5CM does about the same with a short action and better tolerances. It does show up in handloading though, but that's a hard requirement unless you're in Sweden and have access too cheap ammo (match grade ammo for less than 1USD per round, compared to 6.5CM for 3-4USD per round)
If a guy can afford only one gun. It means he cant afford to
Rebarrel. My 308’s get much much better barrel life than a 6.5 creedmoor.
My point was you’ll spend significantly more than the cost of a new barrel to burn out the first barrel in ammunition. Even at $1 a shot, if you get 2,000 rounds out of a barrel you’ve spent $2,000 on ammunition. If you can find $2,000+ for ammo, you can find $400 for a new barrel down the line. $2,000 in ammo is a very LOW estimate.
@@DesertRunninOutdoors it gets circular because then we could say neither matters because if you dont shoot that much ammo in order to burn a barrel then you certainly wont be competent to hunt over 500 yards. Then it really doesnt matter which you buy.
Eh, you don’t need to be burning barrels all the time to be proficient at the 500-650 neighborhood with modern equipment. I consider 500 yards easy now days assuming you’re steady, not a lot of wind, etc.
I think 200 rounds in simulated hunting scenarios out to 600 yards is far more valuable than 1,000 rounds of the bunch shooting 100 yard groups for hunting. 200 rounds out of a particular rifle a year is pretty solid for the average hunter, and it would still take you over 10 years to burn a barrel unless you abuse the life out of it.
@@DesertRunninOutdoors in the time ive guided i cant count on one hand the number of hunters ive guided that can hit past 500 from field positions with any equipment.
I mean it really depends on the field position and the overall scenario. I can tell you I’m probably not taking a 500 yard shot while I’m out of breath and have very little time to get comfortable and I’m shooting off a tree. I will take a 500 yard shot if the animal has no clue we’re there, I can get on the bipods with a rear rest, the angle is good, there’s little to no wind, etc.
But again, it goes back to what kind of time you spend shooting your rifle. I make roughly 1 actual range trip to confirm zero and the rest is spent in hunting type terrain out of different positions learning to where I am / am not effective. Most guys don’t do that, the ones you remember being able to count on your hand, likely did.
I’m not saying guys who shoot a box a year can make a 500 yard shot off their pack because they have a fancy rifle, I’m saying 500 yards is not a tough shot FOR modern equipment in the right hands, in the right scenario. I wouldn’t dream of taking a 500 shot with the .243 I shot as a kid. I can shoot 500 yards with my eyes closed with my 300 win mag the way it’s setup.
It takes a 190 grain .30 caliber to equal to sectional density of a 140 grain .264
Sectional density is just one metric….. a 130 grain Barnes TTSX out of a 308 will out penetrate a 140 ELDM even though the sectional density is far less… construction matters more than SD
@@DesertRunninOutdoors Inside 500 yards, the 308/130 TTSX/TAC combo is my newer go-to for that cartridge.
It’s a special combo.
Oddly the 300prc is the least on board i am. Hunting wise it takes a long long way for the prc to have a meaningful advantage over the 300wm. For hunting its a big fat no go no need.
If I wanted a big 30 cal today, the PRC would probably get the knod over something like a RUM, 30-378, etc. idk though, would just depend on the rifles intentions. I like shooting long range, so the PRC would be a good long range / elk gun for me. I don’t reload yet, so off the shelf long range is pretty necessary.
Thats a good point. If your a hunter and your rifle shoots terminal ascents well the search is over
I shot 165 trophy bondeds in my 30-06 for a long time. They always performed really well. I’m sure the terminal ascent is the same. I’ve heard great things about it, but have no experience since my 300 wm hates them 🤣
My goodness, there is some fair geniuses in here, we should go take over the Pentagon before we forget things. That said even the in-firmed among us are leagues ahead of that fing Ted Williams on FOX news commenting from NY on everything. G he makes my arse tired. Gday
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I love the 06
I am not a big fan of the 6.5 needmore 😂 he is muffed in the head
30-06 is almost dead in Sweden, no one byes them anymore ,308 is the new 30-06
The 30-06 is more versatile than the 308. I shoot 110 grain Barnes TTSX and loads up to 200 grain bullets. I am a handloader who takes advantage of all possible combinations.
What are those people criteria for buying 308 instead of 30-06 because i cannot find any? 🤔
But how many World Wars were won with the new cartridges?
How is that, in any way, relevant. They were what was decent back then, doesn't say anything of what is good now. It's about what's available now.
If there was a world war today, the only 30-06’s used would be on the losing side, unless it was fought on American soil.
@@DesertRunninOutdoors fair enough- but if WW3 breaks out 7.62x54R would be on the winning side. and that's even older.
We haven't won a single one since we left Korea in 1953; 30 cal. Lost em all.
I mean, there’s a difference in being on the winning side, while you got carried by major Ally’s and being a dominant force. If a boots on the ground world war broke out today it would be predominantly 5.xx cartridges like 5.56, 5.45x39 with the 7.62x39 and some 6.8x51/7.62 etc. carrying the load with support from others. No one running primarily old cartridges would compete, that’s why we came up with new ones.
That’s not to take away from them by any means, but if I were in a fire fight I’d take my AR over a browning BAR lol.
3006 is boring. It works tho
Yep. It just works.
My 06 is pushing a 172 grain bullet at 2925 fps. I get 5 rounds down the mag. I'll take that over a 7mm PRC