RED Komodo vs BMPCC 4K
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- An unorthodox camera comparison video. RED Digital Cinema Camera Komodo 6K OR Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K + Metabones Ultra 0.71x Speedbooster ... WHICH cinema camera will YOU choose?!
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Lowlight Test: 04:10
Dynamic Range + IR Test: 06:00
Global Shutter vs Rolling Shutter: 06:50
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Making me wanna sell whatever spare gear I can along with my two bmpcc4ks to buy a Komodo! Great content!
😂😂 Thanks for the support! 💯🙌🏼
Seriously! I think I will put my stimulus check towards the Komodo! 😂
Why?
@@shanekinsman9284 Well - prior to now a Red camera really wasn't feasible financially. I just wouldn't have commanded the work to make it worthwhile. This is a low enough buy-in to be able to provide that "RED" level of quality for clients who want that without the high diminishing returns that typically come with a RED body that isn't used daily.
@@nathan-lewis good point, i hear you Nathan
Thanks so much for doing this! I’m still happy with my Bmpcc4k! Working on building it up piece by piece!
The bmpcc4k is as capable as any other capable camera since the red one mx and the sony f35
@@shanekinsman9284 my guess is that I hold it back more than it holds me back lol!
I guess it’s good that I got the BMPCC4K because I chose it every time in the comparison. Maybe I’m too familiar with it idk
same!
Thanks for the comparison!
Wow, the colors and rendering of the Red look a lot more pleasing and global shutter is totally an underrated feature.
The only thing I think that would hold people back is the 5x higher price of the komodo, but your projects are definitely going to be what determines what camera/budget you're going to need to get.
Great review!
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Thanks!
As usual a great vido beo, i think i am getting the metabone jejejejje
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I wish you would have full screened the comparisons. Keep them in small windows makes it difficult to really get a vibe on things.
yeah i know...i had that same thought after. Just gotta watch on a bigger screen! 😜
imho BMPCC4K wins absolutely in every category but the global shutter. Still the best camera in low budget segment
Lol, i liked footage with youon 2:25. It is just "technical" video but, it looks cinematic, your sight and face expression, u look like some cool character form the movie :)
Thanx for your videos, bro
Nice review! What are your thoughts on the usability of the interfaces of the two cameras, and their expandability?
hmm...this may call for another video! LOL
@@JustinPhillip Heck yeah! We'll keep our eyes peeled
Regarding BMPCC4K vs 6K ... I intentionally chose the 4K with the MB EF .64 over the 6K ... I have a lot of Canon glass ... but I have a legit need to slim down as much as possible when filming under the radar and having access to MFT lenses is a huge plus in that regard.
Recently, purchased the BMPCC 4K. I'm coming from the BMPCC OG that I really never used a MFT lens with. Ive seen many video using MFT lenses using the 4K and they are very sharp, even cheap lenses are sharper compared to my older lenses like the Nikon 35mm F/2 and Canon FD 50mm. Does the MB EF .64 make your Canon glass sharper because if so then i will skip on buying new MFT glass.
@@captureinsidethesound actually the speed booster seems to soften my EF glass, and looks really good IMO, almost giving a vintage glass look. I have a MFT Panasonic 24-70 (equivalent) and it’s MUCH sharper than when using my Canon 24-70 on the speed booster. The native MFT is too sharp for my taste so I’d have to diffuse it.
Hi, i will buy the 7" for komodo about the 2x xlr input, what you think?
What's the learning curve like coming from a BMPCC4k to a Red Komodo? Is it mostly just figuring out the buttons and menus? How long did it take you to feel comfortable with it?
Nice stuff man, I am pretty much in the same boat, except , when i got my Komodo I had both a .71 and .64 speedbooster and decided to just keep the XL speedbooster (although partially because i have 2 viltrox as well) I like the overall look of the BMPCC4k with a speedbooster slightly better then the Pocket 6k even though to is slightly better in a few areas. The pocket 4k is just a killer secondary and even in certain situations primary cam.
Thanks for the video. I currently own the BMPCC 6 & 4k with a Metabones Ultra .64 on the 4k. I want to use the 4k more because of the speedbooster but I almost alway gravitate to the 6k. The image to me just looks better. Maybe it's the crop? I'm not sure but image wise I like the 6k better. In your video I like the Komodo image better. It's richer? Could that possibly be the extra DR the Komodo has? I definitely want to get it. I do wish it had slightly better high frame rate options but it just seems like an overall great camera.
It is a beautiful camera. I do plan to do a more intense dynamic range test in the very near future
4k looks better 90% of the time. Factor in the price value and it wins 100% of the time
After shooting on the pocket 6k for over a year, I’m over the form factor and the crap I have to rig out to shoot with it. As well as the cables and how fragile it can get. It’s an amazing camera, but I’m ready for something minimal without a ton of cables. Been looking into this komodo lately and I think I’m convinced
form factor is definitely the biggest downside to those BMD pocket cams
Def costs around 10 grand or so to fully rig out a Komodo. It only costs another 1K-1.5K to rig out the pocket. Really depends what you think you need in your kit though. I’ve been rocking multiple vintage lenses though. The Takumar 24 F3.5 and Talumar 50 F1.4 and the look is so unique.
Great comparison - Thank you!
One question: Why don't more companies use a global shutter readout? Is it more expensive, or so difficult, or does it have dissadvantages?
I think to recall that BMD wanted to announce a camera with global shutter some years ago, but they dropped it, but why?
Maybe it's just me, but I still prefer BMPCC over Red in your videos.And have in mind that for price of one red you can buy 5 BMPCC ,there is no competition here,at least for normal people.
Great video but just a note : the "FF" on RED cameras doesn't mean "Full Frame" but "Full Format" (and yes, it would be way easier if it said "Open Gate" or "Full Sensor"').
Wow I was putting so much pressure into getting a new camera. I'm happy with what I have. Speed boosters make the camera even better.
From early reports, I read it was developed as a crash cam for the most part, so I guess it only makes sense they would go with a ccd over cmos I suppose? I'm guessing it's why we see some banding and fixed pattern noise, although that could be caused by UA-cam bandwidth to some degree, idk.. Either way, it's a great image, low light is still damn good with all things considered.
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ARTIST?
Anyone know? It's from Artlist, just can't find it though. hmmm
My apologies if this has been answered int he comments already but what NATO Rail / ARRI Rosette (attached on top of the RED Outrigger) are you using with your Komodo?
kit.co/jpOnFilm/aks-camera-accessories
The 4K held up remarkable well IMO. And i dont own either camera
The Metabones is clearly best of breed, but honestly a Viltrox for 1/3 the money new, or even a Pixco or Roxxon as they were called for under $100 coupled with some well cared for Canon FD glass from everything I have seen will give you a very nice image for a minimal investment on the BMPCC 4K. An image that has more of a 1980s or 1990s film feel than sharper modern glass.
Very nice. Thx. Btw some ppl say speedbooster will actually reduce quality of your image bcuz of the elements
this is true as well
@@JustinPhillip well so we have to stick to much wider lenses on p4k.bcuz the crop factor is too much. Have yoy ever compared IQ in p4k with and without speedbooster ?
@@rezaVfx yes in the P6K vs P4K video the native mount was included in all the tests as well
I've really been torn between picking up the BMPCC6k vs the 4k, and this almost had me getting the 4k but that metabones brings the price to the same amount as the 6k.
You need to remember the fact that you need more storage for 6K since it is higher resolution, which can build up quickly, but if ur fine with that I think 6K is amazing
6k has better DR
@@cinedan DR as in down res?
@@justinmao5682 Dynamic Range
@@cinedan That's true, on paper 6K has better specs in most ways, but the storage point I made still kind of stands tho
One thing that I really can’t understand from this video is that in the first test, the light is constantly changing. How am I supposed to compare the two if the colors from the light aren’t matched? Also, the videos being placed diagonally instead of side-by-side is a very weird choice. Also, their sizes aren’t matched, it looks like you randomly drag-dropped into the canvas and eyeballed it. I really don’t know how this video is supposed to help me.
Thank you for your feedback! Different time, different level! Hopefully some of my newer videos are more helpful!
I'm a BMPCC4 4K owner and have no plans to chage, so I'm not biased, but, the 6K handles low light and skin tones a tad better, and the Komodo, well, it just looks nicer in my opinion. My last short was shot on a RED Scarlett and RED has this deepness in its colours that the Pocket doesnt have. Not digging the Pocket, for what it is it''s an incredible bit of kit for the price, but the RED wins IMO.
I just realised "deepness" - I should have said "depth"
Ugh. I love my 4K + speedbooster but the rolling shutter really is dreadful sometimes. I'm not enthusiastic about dealing with another ingestion workflow but the Komodo is very tempting. RIP my bank account I guess.
I like the shapeshifting punching ball. Rolling shutter is an artistic choice. :-)
haha, maybe someone should program a "rolling shutter plugin" for the komodo then :)
Rolling shutter is not artistic choice, shutter speed is artistic choice
Man! You just talk well about the bmpcc 4k. Because I have it
I think the RED just has the name that intrigues me
I really wanted to like the RED Komodo, but for me the Image of the BM is as good, if not slightly better. A 4k price premium for global shutter (and brand value) seems too much unless the client is paying for it ;-)
Are you sure that both cameras did shoot at 45 degrees shutter in that punching bag test? This seems like a huge difference in motion blur.
that my friend is the whole point of what i’ve been talking about. That is a global shutter vs a rolling shutter. I slowed it down so you can see it, but yes that is correct.
@@JustinPhillip That's crazy. I did know that it makes a big difference in terms of shape of fast moving objects, but I didn't realize that it also makes the amount of blur appear so different.
Maybe instead of the 180° shutter rule, we should use the "~230° shutter rule" when shooting on komodo 😅
The best camera is whatever you own.
The DR Test blew my mind... :o The Bmpcc4k looks so much better imo
You mean the low light right? The dynamic range of the red is way more than the 4k.
@@godboy159 mh, Could be true but the highlight Rolloff looked much better on the Bmpcc4k
Giving us comparisons of 4k shots on 1/4 screens so basically 520p is not really ideal to compare, even noise would be pretty squeezed under this reduction of resolution... UA-cam's compression after than and... :')
the rolling shutter is nicer because it does that cinematic blur
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I want to choose 6k because.. 6k is more sharper than 4k
Metabones make image unsharper.
We want to make movie for big cinema screen
Please let me correct if i am wrong
yea makes sense
Your talking a 6 thousand dollar camera and a 2 thousand dollar camera..6 thousand is more like 10 grand by the time your done...bmpc is the best option all around..if there are visual upgrades then they are so minimal and honestly if I'm spending that much I'd just buy the 12k...red is good for the name but for 6 grand the upgrade is so miniscule..red is the apple of cameras
try to fighting scene moving this moving there your mind will blowing that Red far beyond p4k
Looking at the different between the pocket 6K and the pocket 4K I would say the field of view is almost the same but I’m not liking the two dimensional face shape that it comes with using those speed booster , with the pocket 6K you can the face is well rounded and three dimensional . You also get a true representation of how a 50mm Lens should look like even tho it’s on a supper 35 sensor
Oddly enough, I still prefer the 4K with the speed booster. The only examples that I preferred the look of the Komodo was when things are being shot at the higher ISO setting. Still, I absolutely love the way you presented this video. Having blind test is fantastic. Really helped me be honest with my preferences. As always, Kick Ass video my dude👍
P.S.
Are you still playing in front of the camera at all?
i do! you see me hosting this show! 🤣 but nah, not really
@@JustinPhillip and a damn fine host you are! No worries man, I typically play in front of the lens but thanks to your videos I only recently started being behind the camera. Thanks again for the quality content and you're definitely right about a lot of us subscribing and finding used to your black magic starter kit haha
@@Dontlicktheballoons the stats don’t lie! 🤣🤣 Thanks man!
I feel like your dynamic range test is somewhat flawed. Instead of matching ISO, why not expose the subject's face to 70 IRE and measure the exposure in the highlights and blacks respectively?
There is a better speed booster available for Komodo 6K
The Canon one, right?
@@JustinPhillip correct!
BMPCC 4K looks very nice. The camera is not an excuse anymore for me. Now itś about good stories and to be creative :) And to open the wallet and buing more gadget.
Sadly the Komodo wins and looks superior while the 4K looks digital and lacks the depth. Still if you're stilled enough you can make an iphone look film like.
In the first shot you show of bmpc4k vs komodo (2:20 xmas lights behind you) - the black magic just looks WAAAAY better in every single way - the komodo looks green - worse in low light - and smaller field of view - and honestly nowadays it has to feel so bad to pay so much money for a camera that isnt full frame.
it feels so bad nabbing up all these clients that demand RED!
hell yeah baby - but do u not agree on the shot I´m talking about?
BMPCC 6K is better than the bmpcc 4k in every way
Not the mount
Pocket 4k can achieve a near full frame look or go super 35, uses less battery, and can record full sensor raw with smaller file sizes.
Pocket 4k is also significantly cheaper, though with a brand new metabones ultra hits about the same price.
The pocket 4k now also has gen 5 color science.
Still, the skin tones don’t quite land as nicely as the 6k in my experience. And if you really want 6k for some reason then the 6k obviously has that advantage. Some of the cheaper speed boosters may lower sharpness as well, but cinematography isn’t supposed to be sharp. And we keep using these ultra sharp photography lenses like the sigma 18-35 anyway. So softening the image is VERY far from a bad thing. And that’s why so many people put mist filters on their lenses.
But resolution Imo is largely overrated and I’d rather be shooting 4k than 6k most of the time for file size. And skin tones can very easily have that micro adjustment in post.
The better lowlight coming from the pocket 4k ultra is harder to ignore.
The pocket 4k also has a much wider lens selection. You can use it as a super 35 and still use the same signa 18-35 or other super35 ef glass.
You can also use something like the full frame sigma 24-70, which, yes you can use on a pocket 6k, but the crop really defeats the purpose.
The pocket 4k can also use a cine ef mount which, if you’re into cine lenses and swapping primes on a rigged out camera, makes it significantly quicker and easier to do so.
The pocket 4k is also lighter and has the ability to use the much lighter mft glass. Paired with the better battery life and smaller sizes makes it much more plausible to use in situations where you aren’t rigging the camera out and need light weight, such as being flown on a drone.
There are situations where a pocket 6k makes more sense over a pocket 4k. But largely, I’ve got to give the win to the pocket 4k. It’s a much more flexible camera for a lower price with an identical menu system, smaller file sizes and near identical image.
have the p4k and agree with you + I use it often with small mft lenses on a simple steadycam, for which it is a friendly weight if used with internal card+battery@@zachmachina
I'm a little disappointed in some of your comments, especially the one where you couldn't understand why anyone would choose the Pocket 6k over the 4k. Yet in your very own video, it showed that the Pocket 6k was superior to the 4k in highlight sensitivity. That to me is THE reason why to pick the Pocket 6k
fair enough, im prolly just bias of the metabones 🤣
@@JustinPhillip Cool. Btw I'm really surprised how the Pocket 4k performed against Komodo at ISO 1000
**Also, in re: to your comment about the highlight sensitivity, you have to keep in mind you're watching the Metabones compared to the bmpcc6k. I didn't change exposure on purpose, in order to show what the metabones is doing.
@@JustinPhillip Which is even more impressive, since the metabones is allowing more light into the sensor. So the fact that the Pocket 4k performed so well is a surprise
Definitely the pocket 4k takes the cake, do we need global shutter? hell no, it's just a gimmick 99% of us won't notice if used or not, but to each their own, for me it's Blackmagic.
gimmick? mmmm, yeah....no
??? Gimmick i don’t think so
Far from a gimmick but you do almost need to shoot with a global shutter camera to realize that.
The primary way that you show or explain global shutter is with very specific circumstances. Panning the camera really fast or showing spinning helicopter blades. The bunching bag here was a rather unique one, but still you ask yourself “how often am I going to be whip panning like that or filming a helicopter and do I really care that it’s a little less than perfect for those few specific instances?”
The problem with that logic is that it affects every shot. Everything you shoot is affected by the shutter. If there’s absolutely no movement, it’s near impossible to tell, sure (but that’s also hardly cinematography). As soon as the camera or subject starts moving, it makes a difference.
I remember the first time I shot on a Komodo. It was my first time shooting with a global shutter (I’m primarily a black magic user). I actually had totally forgotten that the Komodo had a global shutter. And as I’m doing some handheld shots of a band for a sort of music video, I’m just looking at the tiny Komodo screen (wasn’t even using an external monitor that day) and immediately noticed how good the movement looked. Immediately. I was like “why does this movement look so natural? I’ve never seen anything I’ve ever shot look like this before” and that’s when I was like “oh yeah I’m pretty sure the Komodo has a global shutter.”
I wasn’t doing hard pans and whips. Just handheld on a person mostly standing in place. There wasnt anything that would cause warping or bendy lines from rolling shutter, especially not on a pocket 6k or Ursa. Still, I immediately could tell the difference, even on the tiny little Komodo screen.
Far from a gimmick. And once you’ve used it, you’ll also probably realize it’s probably one of the biggest reasons to buy a Komodo over another camera.
I’m sorry but your comments on the 6K are biased as fuck. You ended up with a 6K but because it says RED on the brand it’s suddenly ok. Dude please.
If you think the P6K is equal to the Komodo, i think you should compare the two cameras yourself
@@JustinPhillip That’s not my point Justin. Obviously not. But you ended up buying a S35 sensor 6K camera just like the P6K is. Is it better yes, it better well damn be costing so much. But the fact remains that apparently resolution does matter to you, dynamic range does matter to you. Overall picture quality does matter to you. All those things are true about the P6K when compared to the 4K. Boiling down a camera to the use of a focal reducer to say it’s better is bullshit. If crop factor was such a huge deal you would have never bought a S35 sensor camera. Period. Crop factor is overrated. Hollywood has been shooting feature films for ages using S35 sensors. Full frame is a photography trademark. I honestly like you and you’re work and your whole vibe but it really triggered me that you’d be so blind about the 6K. Anyways. Peace.
@@TheFilmmakingChannel All i'm saying in that video is that i don't see the advantage of selling a P4k for a P6K. that is all, to me it's the same exact camera, unless you have a metabones and then that is the real winner.
@@JustinPhillip I disagree. I owned a P4K with a Metabones and got the 6K and haven’t looked back since.