I'm always so impressed with all the details you put into these layouts not only the track plan but the full story of all the history too. Thanks for sharing 😮
It was a shame that the basement dimensions changed so often as the original space and plan were my favorite but the new layout looks amazing and I see two Peters with big smiles. I too am happy for Peter to finally have the dream layout that you have designed finally come to fruition. Well worth the wait. Will you be doing the install and any scenery?
That is going to be an amazing railroad. And lots and lots of construction videos to watch! I wonder if in a couple of years we can setup a container to ship a bunch of your viewers down there to help operate? 🙂
Mind-boggingly fabulous! I'm so pleased you got the contract to build it too. Now, have you got the time to animate your pictures so I can follow where the trains will run, Peter? Only half-joking. I guess I can wait until it's finished.
😲 Both plans are interesting and look fun to operate. I like the original plan better because it looks like it has 40"-ish aisles instead of 36"-ish (those few inches do make a difference -- from somebody who spent last night squeezing past bodies) and it has space for a crew lounge (yelling upstairs for crews is going to get old quickly.) Of course, neither account for the dispatcher (placing him in the helix is...medieval.) Layout design is an exercise in compromise but those aren't choices I would have made. It is interesting that no matter how much space a person has, more track is always prioritized over quality of life issues! This was another fun design video! I always enjoy the way you walk us through the evolution of the layout and share your thoughts on the process. Thanks!
You're right. The first plan was drawn with 42" aisles because we thought the basement might shrink slightly. In my experience, very few people want to allocate space for aisles wider than 36". Most other designers I know say that 30" is plenty and often my customers initially want me to squeeze it even further. 36" is an amount that I can usually get my customers to "waste" on the aisles. There wasn't originally going to be a dispatcher at all, but it's something that the signalling system dictated. The client has been following another build series over the past couple of years, and that layout has the dispatcher's office inside the helix.
That is going to be a massive build. With shipping it to Australia are you going to have to use some kind of certified wood that can be imported? I know some countries are very peculiar about wood / bugs in the wood, coming into countries.
@@terryflynn8830 The potential issue is that this is being made in the USA and shipped to Australia. The fact the wood was sourced in the USA might be an issue. I know wood used for shipping crates going overseas needs to be certified for export use. Not sure if this is a concern here or not.
I’m an Australian and I can tell you there are some strict rules on importing biomass however machined timber (such as 2x4) is really easy to import because it is treated.
Can we reactivate that industry? Asking for future generations. I'm not sure which version of the plan I prefer. As is typical of your designs, they make good use of the space given. Furthermore, they inspire those of us in the process of designing (or daydreaming) a layout. ❤
Peter, As an ex-Sydneysider, now living in Melbourne, are you planning on building this, in part or in whole, in your workshop and then ship it to Australia? I guess with shipping containers (and sufficient $$$) anything is possible.
@@mpeterll I wonder whether at some point during this massive project you'll be able to make a short (?) video on the issues/challenges you encountered with the logistics of shipping it to Sydney?
I appreciate all the skill and experience you put into your designs, but I notice you do not strictly stick with the 'linear design' concept of being able to follow you train without having to leave it and walk around a scienic divider to catch up with the train in some locations. From my experence operationaly it is a problem with large layouts.
I generally do keep to a fully linear plan as much as possible. Sometimes however, there is a need to stray from that ideal. In this design, for example, the upper deck is the main operating layout (where all routes are strictly linear). the lower scenic sections are simply additional scenic runs. Even these are not far from the ideal. Coming out of staging westbound, one first runs through the fall scene before disappearing from view for the non-scenic climb to the main level. This is effectively a one-lap helix wrapped around the outside of the room. The train will reappear at the top right corner of the plan having traveled almost 3/4 of the way around the room, while the operator has to walk a much shorter distance to be ready for the train's reappearance. After negotiating the upper level main line (fully linear), the train returns to the lower level by way of the central helix, reappearing directly below where it disappeared, making the canyon scene around the bottom of the peninsula also linear. It is only at the very end of the run that there is a need to depart from the train's route as it returns to staging. With the low speeds appropriate for such a mountainous route, there would be plenty of time to watch the train enter the tunnel and then get back to the other end of the room in time to stop it correctly in its staging track. All in all, I don't see the problem.
Only for people who's shins stick out further than their bellies. No human I know has this feature, but maybe the owner will host intergalactic operating sessions some day.
I'm always so impressed with all the details you put into these layouts not only the track plan but the full story of all the history too. Thanks for sharing 😮
Awesome design work! If you need an extra set of hands for the instal in Sydney, let me know!
That won't be for a couple of years yet. Please contact me again nearer the time.
Always like you trackplans. I definitely like the second one. Looking forward to videos of you building it.
Gotta love the old spur, morals and common sense!😂😂. Another great design. 👍👍
The client got a kick out of that one too.
It was a shame that the basement dimensions changed so often as the original space and plan were my favorite but the new layout looks amazing and I see two Peters with big smiles. I too am happy for Peter to finally have the dream layout that you have designed finally come to fruition. Well worth the wait. Will you be doing the install and any scenery?
Good job you built your new workshop Peter.
The new workshop was built specifically because of this project.
Definitely among your most impressive designs.
That is going to be an amazing railroad. And lots and lots of construction videos to watch! I wonder if in a couple of years we can setup a container to ship a bunch of your viewers down there to help operate? 🙂
Maybe. The containers that "ship viewers" are made by Boeing and Airbus, and seats are available to rent from time to time.
Mind-boggingly fabulous! I'm so pleased you got the contract to build it too. Now, have you got the time to animate your pictures so I can follow where the trains will run, Peter? Only half-joking. I guess I can wait until it's finished.
Tough to choose between designs, Peter. Both are great!
Wonderful. Great job as always. Looking forward to the build videos.
😲 Both plans are interesting and look fun to operate. I like the original plan better because it looks like it has 40"-ish aisles instead of 36"-ish (those few inches do make a difference -- from somebody who spent last night squeezing past bodies) and it has space for a crew lounge (yelling upstairs for crews is going to get old quickly.) Of course, neither account for the dispatcher (placing him in the helix is...medieval.) Layout design is an exercise in compromise but those aren't choices I would have made. It is interesting that no matter how much space a person has, more track is always prioritized over quality of life issues!
This was another fun design video! I always enjoy the way you walk us through the evolution of the layout and share your thoughts on the process.
Thanks!
You're right. The first plan was drawn with 42" aisles because we thought the basement might shrink slightly. In my experience, very few people want to allocate space for aisles wider than 36". Most other designers I know say that 30" is plenty and often my customers initially want me to squeeze it even further. 36" is an amount that I can usually get my customers to "waste" on the aisles.
There wasn't originally going to be a dispatcher at all, but it's something that the signalling system dictated. The client has been following another build series over the past couple of years, and that layout has the dispatcher's office inside the helix.
awesome work thanks for sharing.😊😊👍👍
hello Petell & it's is Randy and i like yours video is cool & Thanks Peterll & Friends Randy
What an amazing design! Looking forward to see you building it!
Construction videos will start being published soon. I've already completed the lower staging and benchwork for much of the middle level.
That is going to be a massive build. With shipping it to Australia are you going to have to use some kind of certified wood that can be imported? I know some countries are very peculiar about wood / bugs in the wood, coming into countries.
Australia does produce plenty of suituable timbers.
@@terryflynn8830 The potential issue is that this is being made in the USA and shipped to Australia. The fact the wood was sourced in the USA might be an issue. I know wood used for shipping crates going overseas needs to be certified for export use. Not sure if this is a concern here or not.
I’m an Australian and I can tell you there are some strict rules on importing biomass however machined timber (such as 2x4) is really easy to import because it is treated.
Can we reactivate that industry? Asking for future generations.
I'm not sure which version of the plan I prefer. As is typical of your designs, they make good use of the space given. Furthermore, they inspire those of us in the process of designing (or daydreaming) a layout. ❤
Ive really gotten into your channel. I wish id sent you my room before i started building!
Can't wait to see this build take place!
Looking forward to seeing the build, just wish I had the space and funds for it.
Another origami build, can't wait
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The client also got a kick out of that one.
Peter,
As an ex-Sydneysider, now living in Melbourne, are you planning on building this, in part or in whole, in your workshop and then ship it to Australia? I guess with shipping containers (and sufficient $$$) anything is possible.
Yes. It will be a full 40' container.
I can't wait to see it at the other end, and hope you get to reassemble it there, too. @@mpeterll
@@mpeterll I wonder whether at some point during this massive project you'll be able to make a short (?) video on the issues/challenges you encountered with the logistics of shipping it to Sydney?
Oh to have the space (and the money) for a layout like that... My only difficulty was understanding how the mezzanine staging fits in...
The mezzanine staging yard branches off the ramp that connects the levels. There's a cross section that shows how it fits.
I appreciate all the skill and experience you put into your designs, but I notice you do not strictly stick with the 'linear design' concept of being able to follow you train without having to leave it and walk around a scienic divider to catch up with the train in some locations. From my experence operationaly it is a problem with large layouts.
I generally do keep to a fully linear plan as much as possible. Sometimes however, there is a need to stray from that ideal. In this design, for example, the upper deck is the main operating layout (where all routes are strictly linear). the lower scenic sections are simply additional scenic runs. Even these are not far from the ideal.
Coming out of staging westbound, one first runs through the fall scene before disappearing from view for the non-scenic climb to the main level. This is effectively a one-lap helix wrapped around the outside of the room. The train will reappear at the top right corner of the plan having traveled almost 3/4 of the way around the room, while the operator has to walk a much shorter distance to be ready for the train's reappearance.
After negotiating the upper level main line (fully linear), the train returns to the lower level by way of the central helix, reappearing directly below where it disappeared, making the canyon scene around the bottom of the peninsula also linear. It is only at the very end of the run that there is a need to depart from the train's route as it returns to staging. With the low speeds appropriate for such a mountainous route, there would be plenty of time to watch the train enter the tunnel and then get back to the other end of the room in time to stop it correctly in its staging track.
All in all, I don't see the problem.
Won’t the Subway Staging be a shin knocker?
Only for people who's shins stick out further than their bellies. No human I know has this feature, but maybe the owner will host intergalactic operating sessions some day.
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Nice video, but the owner should have choosen N scale
Nobody wanted their products anymore. 🤣🤣😪