My friend, I hope all is well with you, I have been anticipating a new video from you for a while now; your videos are both inspiring and informative, so don't give up, Thanks. I have the same Nikon macro lens by the way. Sadly, I must agree with your valid argument about the lens flaws, but the image quality once in focus is next to none.
Thank you 🙏🏻 - I'm currently working to renovate a flat we're moving to and it is taking up all my time. But as soon as the work with the flat is done, I will start producing videos again. Thank you kindly 🙏🏻
@@frederikboving I am an Architect and have done many house and apartment renovations. This is a messy and often unpredictable process; first comes the family next is a cozy place called home. Wish you all the best;
That’s what I like about the tokina it doesn’t hunt it also has a focus limiter used best at close range. I love my tokina atx pro d lens. Thanks again
This is useful information. Thanks! My wife and I use Nikon DLSRs, and she also has a Z6. (She is the much-more-experienced photographer, by far, the mentor who guided my path into serious shooting.) We are looking for every advantage while photograpghing moving, wild insects and other wee beasties at night. Low-light is a severe test of any AF system.
Thank you for sharing! I think it will take a little while before the mirrorless cameras will focus as good as the DSLRs. I can see that the Z9 and Z8 start to get there judging from reviews, but I think it will take a few more "rounds" of firmware updates before the Z6 gets there, unfortunately!
i own both the tokina 100/f2.8 and sigma 105 f2.8. I most time use the tokina on my d850 for product photography cuz of 2 reasons, I manual focus all the time and using the focus ring is so easy to tweak to the minute detail of sharpness and second it's light and compact. My gripe with it is that CA which I only notice when shooting a backlit object. The sigma is noticeably sharper for landscape ( when it comes to macro/product, sharpness is irrelevant cuz you're in control of your light ) and it does not have CA but my gripe with it is it's weight and size, plus its got alot of electronics like you noted in the Nikkor MC.. For studio work and real estate video/photography, nothing beats manual focusing so all that AF hype don't move me..
a bit late but, good to see someone else having the same experience as me. this lens is great as a manual focus lens...i gave it up until last week after having it since launch! but even on the very capable AF of the z8? hunts and hunts and hunts... sold it to go zeiss for a true manual focus experience, and bought a d850 as a backup so I can use the legendary 200 F4.
I’ve seen comparisons of the old Nikon manual focus AIS 105 2.8 micro lens on Nikon gear and the new Nikon Z what you have. The Bolkeh and the sharpness were indistinguishable between the two. That’s the lens I have and I put a dandelion chip on the back of the lens to communicate with my cameras. I also bought the 105 AFD micro and it goes to one to one whereas the other one needs an extension tube and it’s very sharp as well. You can get them either one of them for less than €200 for the AFD one I only paid I think C$200 for it I’ve also compared my lens to the lens, you own and camera shops and didn’t really see any difference and sharpness, although having VR on macro lens would be handy. The older model of AFS 105 micro has VR, but I don’t think it was as good lens as the one you own. Not to say it was a bad lens. It’s just not the best one Nikon has produced even though it’s newer. Enjoy your review as always. Regards Gerry.
Thank you for sharing Gerry. Imho the z lenses are superior to all lenses Nikon have ever made previously. My rant in this video is directed towards the focus system - the ML systems still need a lot of improvement before they are on par with the dslr focus system. Best Frederik
I will echo ‘TomS’ comment here, Frederik! Tokina makes some underrated lenses, and seem to take a backseat to the Tams and the Siggys. I have had a few Tokina over the years, and had good luck with them. I did not own this macro lens. Only way to get better focusing than the D4/4s, is the D5 or D6, IMO. Macro Photography is not for everyone. I remember a few years back, and my grown daughter who has a wedding cake/ confectionary business, showed me some close up shots her wedding photographer friend took of snowflakes. We happened to have had a storm at that time. I went out and I shot and I shot, and I just about “threw” the camera and lens into the woods! 😯🙄 It was exasperating! I did get one or two so so shots, but not like the “Wedding Photographer?’ The ONLY Nikkor Micro lens I have had good luck with, is the AF-S 60 mm F2.8. That is a fine lens, and is the one Nikon recd’s to do slide and negative copying on the D850/780 DSLR’s. I know you “know’ about focus limiters and all that Frederik, but I have to wonder if your Camera/ Lens are running latest firmware? I am not familiar with the new Micro Nikkor S lens, but I have heard a lot of good reviews on it. You may have a bad/abused copy Frederik? i don't know? Yeah, my comment is all disjointed… 😣 Mirrorless “love the backgrounds,” and this is common thing. I will occasionally get “hunting” with my Z7, but by and large, it is not so bad. I think no AF is perfect, and even the most recent cameras and lenses from any brand, will still require some “manual focusing” overrides. My Z7 has latest firmware, and will pick up on our cats in window light, and nail it most every time. Not to say it is perfect, but I am suspecting something is amiss there with the lens, Frederik? Sorry you are having issues, and hope it gets worked out. Give ole’ Nikon support a call. Worth a try? Best! 👍✌🙏📷😊
Thank you for your always positive feedback George! Much appreciated! I think you have coined my issue down to: "ML loves the backgrounds". As I wrote to Tim in another post, I have been out this morning doing a bit of flower photography ( instagram.com/p/Cr-acyLI5jC/? ) and when focusing on a small branch in the foreground, I often found that the camera would focus to infinity. If I then manually pulled the focus to minimum and hit the BBAF, then the lens would (sometime) acquire focus. I get the impression it sometimes does not know if to hunt closer or further away and ends up making bad decisions! It is a bit strange, as the Z6ii has a pretty advanced AF system: "Hybrid phase-detection/contrast AF" as the manual says. Maybe the hybrid means I get 25% of each? 😄 Dunno, will investigate a bit more. Take care George!
Hello Frederik. I have this lens but don’t use it much. Although flower season will be here soon in Denver. ( am in love with the 24-120 Z lens). I pulled it out and did update firmware to 1.10. I didn’t remember having any focusing issues. Played in the yard and did not get the hunting or the MF slowness you describe. Lower light in the house and it did take a touch longer to focus but not annoying at all. Using a Z6II. Firmware 1.5, back button focus, AF-C, Auto Area AF, FN1 button to use subject tracking even for a stationary object. Lens at Full not limited. Now i have old ears but I can just barely hear the focusing motor. Best Regards - Tim Edit: if I misunderstood what you were saying I'm going to blame my old ears and ask to be ignored> 😐
Thank you for sharing Tim! Funny how two photographers can have very different experiences with the same gear. The only difference I can spot is that I use pinpoint focus and not auto area. I am a control freak when it comes to where the lens focuses, so maybe there is something about pinpoint focus? I have been out this morning doing a bit of flower photography ( instagram.com/p/Cr-acyLI5jC/? ) and when focusing on a small branch in the foreground, I often found that the camera would focus to infinity. If I then manually pulled the focus to minimum and hit the BBAF, then the lens would (sometime) acquire focus. I get the impression it sometimes does not know if to hunt closer or further away and ends up making bad decisions! So my issues continue! I have however learned that in the pencil menu there is an A10 option that makes low light photography a little better. All the best Tim!
@@frederikboving Good day to you. I almost never use pinpoint or what's called Single-Point AF on the Z6II. I went out back to play with it just now. Only thing I changed was the AF. I did get the go out to infinity and back a couple times. Moved the camera a bit and hit it again and got closer. But most times it hit where I wanted. It does take a second or maybe two to get there. I kinda think this is normal? And it didn't bother me. Still didn't hear the lens motor. I get my first hearing aids on the 18th so we will see then what I might be missing.
@@tdalton854 Thank you for your time Tim! When the motor makes small adjustments, there is little sound. It is when it makes the end-2-end "walks" that it starts to get noisy. All the best the 18th - hope it will work out just fine!
Very interesting comparison! Your metaphor with the old car and a modern one are very great and I think the same. I tested some different Nikon Z cameras in the store and every time I found some negative things about them which just work on my D850. Shows me I for myself was right in investing in cheaper, older DSLR gear and not yet upgrade to more modern systems like Nikon Z.
Good comment TomS. Mirrorless has its advantages, and can only improve down the road. My aging eyes love the EVF of my Z7, but I still love a good OVF like in my D500, or D700. It is a known entity that mirrorless cameras love ‘backgrounds.’ They can get confused. I very seldom have issues with my Z7, but NO AF system is perfect. But I do agree with You, and I still keep/use/enjoy my DSLR’s! Stay safe and Happy Shooting!
@@georgedavall9449 Well everyone like he/she feels what's best, right? 😊 I just found that I personally find the EVFs from the Zfc/Z5/Z6 and Z7II (all Zs I could test) all horrible as they are. They lag, they look not sharp and when moving the picture gets blurry. I just might have a lot better eyes than many 😅😆
@@TheTS1205 Hey TomS, second attempt at replying to you, as my server went down and I lost my unfinished reply, argh! So here is my second attempt, see how you “rate!” 😆 Like I said before, like You, I still prefer the good old DSLR, even though I am slowly embracing Mirrorless. The Z7 EVF works Ok for my tired old eyes. (Cataract surgery is in my near future). Could it be better, of course! Like You, I still prefer a really good OVF. And I am hoping my surgery will help my viewing experience. Companies will continue to improve upon their product. Technology continues on no matter what. Stay Safe and happy Shooting!
Considering the price point, the Tokina lens is excellent. I use it mainly for macro and product photography. I'm not familiar with the Nikon lens you mention.
Hi! Hunting is somehow normal if there's not enough light or contrast to grab on to. But that sounds are not normal in any situation. Are you sure you didn't got a bad copy of lens?
Hi Florin, thank you for your question. No, unfortunately I am not sure. I can only benchmark towards my D4 with the Tokina on, and the AF is clearly slower on the Z6ii/105MC. I use pinpoint focus, that may be some of the problem, but I also do that on the D4. Maybe I am blowing the difference out of proportions, but the D4 just focuses faster and better IMHO. Today the Z6ii/105MC would not grab on to a small branch in the foreground, but happily focused all the way to infinity. Only when I pulled the focal plane all the way back with manual focus and then hit the BB AF was the Z6ii/105MC able to focus on the small branch in the foreground. It is as if it cannot figure out whether to walk back or forth when it tries to grab focus.
@@frederikboving unfortunately i had this experience to. Pin point AF is base on contrast detection. It shold be the most precise focus tipe, especialy for macro. Is slow, but precise. Maybe on a Z9 is better, but there's a lot of money to put there. To shame on this sistem, as this lens is the sharpest macro in the world as Cristopher Frost says afteter comparing maybe every macro lens.
@@crs1flo Thank you Florin, I was not aware that pin point is based on contrast. I expected the camera to use both the phase and the contrast detect when it has both systems, but apparently not in pinpoint AF. You may just have explained why I have all these focus issues!
I have a lot of Nikon Legacy glass non Ai, Ai, AIS , D and G lenses, Tamron F mounts and this Tokina 100 macro. I purchased a 24-120mm Z mount S lens to replace a G lens with same focal range for twice the price, Was I twice as impressed? No not really, I keep the Z lens attached to a Z5 and a Tamron F-mount 100-400mm for my everyday carry. Wife shoots weddings with mirrorless and uses an FTZ adapter and I've been wanting to get her the Z lenses costing $6,337 usd and that's on sale for (4) lenses and just can't justify the purchase when she is getting the shots already with the older glass.
Thank you for sharing this 🙏🏻 - IMHO the z mount glass is a level better than f mount across the board but most of us really don't need that to get the job done. 👍 and yes you have to pay handsomely for the z glass.
@@frederikboving Go for Z Noct if price is not your concern. Otherwise, stay away from Z. AI/AIS prime were just superior quality to modern AF-S lens if you don't need fast auto-focus.
The photographic experience Nikon F offers is just hard to match - this goes for a lot of different F mount products, not just the items you compared. Don't fix it if it is not broken.
I am using Tokina 100 macro with my Z6II & Zf bodies. Really great result although it is used with adapter. For extreme macro I am using Tokina 100mm with Raynox DCR 250. I also using tokina 100mm macro for macro video you can check my youtube channel. Because of Nikon Z version macro lens price I continuing with Tokina 100mm. Planning to buy Laowa 25mm Ultra macro.
Limiter: off. Low light now on. Did not help much though. The D4 just focuses better and faster imho- maybe I am blowing the difference out of proportion but it is definitely there.
The DOF when you shoot macro (close to the subject) is super shallow so I would only recommend AF-S for still subjects and with the camera on a tripod. I use the lens for moving subjects, so AF-S wouldn't work for me unfortunately but thanks for proposing 👍🙏🏻
Yes, that one and the 60mm version are the most f up lens i have tried , the af besides been bad also get broken very soon and cost 300€+ to fix it, it happens to me twice and that made me send to hell Nikkor AFs system for ever....is well-known that the afs system it failed in many models, 17-35mm 2.8, 80-200mm 2.8 and Nikon did nothing about it but charging the bill to costumers, so from my side middle finger to all them new crap afs lens priced and full of fails...I prefer Sigma or tamron, and the canon L can be more or less sharp but are really made for last not like Nikkor ...
@@frederikboving no worries, it is something well-known in the sector about Nikkor lenses and the issues about Nikkor sensor, d600, d800 oil spots... unfortunately Nikon has not prestige anymore with his costumers....the tokina is an awesome gear made for last as all the Nikkor AIS and D series....from then all consumer plastic crap....try the 105mm 2.8d, cheap and good, the tokina is my first election, and for macro the auto focus is mostly useless...tusen takk for din video Fredrik, hilsen fra Hong Kong
Thanks for the link. Maybe it's because I'm on my phone here, but he claims a huge difference between the z lens and the f mount and then shows some print circuits shot at f8 where I cannot tell the difference- can you?
@@frederikboving to me looks sharper can read the text better on the black square parts x50 caa 3ms , but f mount looks good enough for me . Use D810 D750 D4s and got D700 after watching your videos . Really happy with the D700 and waiting with getting anything new .
My friend, I hope all is well with you, I have been anticipating a new video from you for a while now; your videos are both inspiring and informative, so don't give up, Thanks. I have the same Nikon macro lens by the way. Sadly, I must agree with your valid argument about the lens flaws, but the image quality once in focus is next to none.
Thank you 🙏🏻 - I'm currently working to renovate a flat we're moving to and it is taking up all my time. But as soon as the work with the flat is done, I will start producing videos again. Thank you kindly 🙏🏻
@@frederikboving I am an Architect and have done many house and apartment renovations. This is a messy and often unpredictable process; first comes the family next is a cozy place called home. Wish you all the best;
Tokina 100mm 2.8D is hard to beat within the price range.
Agreed!
Right I got one for $93 and it's the newer version
That’s what I like about the tokina it doesn’t hunt it also has a focus limiter used best at close range. I love my tokina atx pro d lens. Thanks again
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This is useful information. Thanks! My wife and I use Nikon DLSRs, and she also has a Z6. (She is the much-more-experienced photographer, by far, the mentor who guided my path into serious shooting.) We are looking for every advantage while photograpghing moving, wild insects and other wee beasties at night. Low-light is a severe test of any AF system.
Thank you for sharing! I think it will take a little while before the mirrorless cameras will focus as good as the DSLRs. I can see that the Z9 and Z8 start to get there judging from reviews, but I think it will take a few more "rounds" of firmware updates before the Z6 gets there, unfortunately!
i own both the tokina 100/f2.8 and sigma 105 f2.8. I most time use the tokina on my d850 for product photography cuz of 2 reasons, I manual focus all the time and using the focus ring is so easy to tweak to the minute detail of sharpness and second it's light and compact. My gripe with it is that CA which I only notice when shooting a backlit object. The sigma is noticeably sharper for landscape ( when it comes to macro/product, sharpness is irrelevant cuz you're in control of your light ) and it does not have CA but my gripe with it is it's weight and size, plus its got alot of electronics like you noted in the Nikkor MC.. For studio work and real estate video/photography, nothing beats manual focusing so all that AF hype don't move me..
Thank you for sharing Josh. I use my AF a bit more than you do apparently; but that is just typical me, trying to cut a corner here and there!
a bit late but, good to see someone else having the same experience as me. this lens is great as a manual focus lens...i gave it up until last week after having it since launch! but even on the very capable AF of the z8? hunts and hunts and hunts... sold it to go zeiss for a true manual focus experience, and bought a d850 as a backup so I can use the legendary 200 F4.
Thank you for sharing 👍
out of curiosity, did you end up keeping it? was hoping for a firmware update but alas...@@frederikboving
@@dennist132 I've kept both 🤗
I’ve seen comparisons of the old Nikon manual focus AIS 105 2.8 micro lens on Nikon gear and the new Nikon Z what you have. The Bolkeh and the sharpness were indistinguishable between the two. That’s the lens I have and I put a dandelion chip on the back of the lens to communicate with my cameras. I also bought the 105 AFD micro and it goes to one to one whereas the other one needs an extension tube and it’s very sharp as well. You can get them either one of them for less than €200 for the AFD one I only paid I think C$200 for it
I’ve also compared my lens to the lens, you own and camera shops and didn’t really see any difference and sharpness, although having VR on macro lens would be handy. The older model of AFS 105 micro has VR, but I don’t think it was as good lens as the one you own. Not to say it was a bad lens. It’s just not the best one Nikon has produced even though it’s newer. Enjoy your review as always. Regards Gerry.
Thank you for sharing Gerry. Imho the z lenses are superior to all lenses Nikon have ever made previously. My rant in this video is directed towards the focus system - the ML systems still need a lot of improvement before they are on par with the dslr focus system. Best Frederik
I will echo ‘TomS’ comment here, Frederik!
Tokina makes some underrated lenses, and seem to take a backseat to the Tams and the Siggys. I have had a few Tokina over the years, and had good luck with them. I did not own this macro lens. Only way to get better focusing than the D4/4s, is the D5 or D6, IMO.
Macro Photography is not for everyone. I remember a few years back, and my grown daughter who has a wedding cake/ confectionary business, showed me some close up shots her wedding photographer friend took of snowflakes. We happened to have had a storm at that time. I went out and I shot and I shot, and I just about “threw” the camera and lens into the woods! 😯🙄 It was exasperating! I did get one or two so so shots, but not like the “Wedding Photographer?’ The ONLY Nikkor Micro lens I have had good luck with, is the AF-S 60 mm F2.8. That is a fine lens, and is the one Nikon recd’s to do slide and negative copying on the D850/780 DSLR’s.
I know you “know’ about focus limiters and all that Frederik, but I have to wonder if your Camera/ Lens are running latest firmware? I am not familiar with the new Micro Nikkor S lens, but I have heard a lot of good reviews on it. You may have a bad/abused copy Frederik? i don't know? Yeah, my comment is all disjointed… 😣
Mirrorless “love the backgrounds,” and this is common thing. I will occasionally get “hunting” with my Z7, but by and large, it is not so bad. I think no AF is perfect, and even the most recent cameras and lenses from any brand, will still require some “manual focusing” overrides. My Z7 has latest firmware, and will pick up on our cats in window light, and nail it most every time. Not to say it is perfect, but I am suspecting something is amiss there with the lens, Frederik? Sorry you are having issues, and hope it gets worked out. Give ole’ Nikon support a call. Worth a try? Best! 👍✌🙏📷😊
Thank you for your always positive feedback George! Much appreciated! I think you have coined my issue down to: "ML loves the backgrounds". As I wrote to Tim in another post, I have been out this morning doing a bit of flower photography ( instagram.com/p/Cr-acyLI5jC/? ) and when focusing on a small branch in the foreground, I often found that the camera would focus to infinity. If I then manually pulled the focus to minimum and hit the BBAF, then the lens would (sometime) acquire focus. I get the impression it sometimes does not know if to hunt closer or further away and ends up making bad decisions! It is a bit strange, as the Z6ii has a pretty advanced AF system: "Hybrid phase-detection/contrast AF" as the manual says. Maybe the hybrid means I get 25% of each? 😄 Dunno, will investigate a bit more. Take care George!
Hello Frederik. I have this lens but don’t use it much. Although flower season will be here soon in Denver. ( am in love with the 24-120 Z lens). I pulled it out and did update firmware to 1.10. I didn’t remember having any focusing issues. Played in the yard and did not get the hunting or the MF slowness you describe. Lower light in the house and it did take a touch longer to focus but not annoying at all. Using a Z6II. Firmware 1.5, back button focus, AF-C, Auto Area AF, FN1 button to use subject tracking even for a stationary object. Lens at Full not limited. Now i have old ears but I can just barely hear the focusing motor. Best Regards - Tim
Edit: if I misunderstood what you were saying I'm going to blame my old ears and ask to be ignored> 😐
Thank you for sharing Tim! Funny how two photographers can have very different experiences with the same gear. The only difference I can spot is that I use pinpoint focus and not auto area. I am a control freak when it comes to where the lens focuses, so maybe there is something about pinpoint focus? I have been out this morning doing a bit of flower photography ( instagram.com/p/Cr-acyLI5jC/? ) and when focusing on a small branch in the foreground, I often found that the camera would focus to infinity. If I then manually pulled the focus to minimum and hit the BBAF, then the lens would (sometime) acquire focus. I get the impression it sometimes does not know if to hunt closer or further away and ends up making bad decisions! So my issues continue! I have however learned that in the pencil menu there is an A10 option that makes low light photography a little better. All the best Tim!
@@frederikboving Good day to you. I almost never use pinpoint or what's called Single-Point AF on the Z6II. I went out back to play with it just now. Only thing I changed was the AF. I did get the go out to infinity and back a couple times. Moved the camera a bit and hit it again and got closer. But most times it hit where I wanted. It does take a second or maybe two to get there. I kinda think this is normal? And it didn't bother me.
Still didn't hear the lens motor. I get my first hearing aids on the 18th so we will see then what I might be missing.
@@tdalton854 Thank you for your time Tim! When the motor makes small adjustments, there is little sound. It is when it makes the end-2-end "walks" that it starts to get noisy. All the best the 18th - hope it will work out just fine!
I wonder how much better the new AT-X i is compared to the old AT-X Pro.
Good question but unfortunately I am unable to answer.
Many thanks for the the video. I would suggest to use manual focus for your videos
Noted, thank you!
I use the f mount version on the z6...no problems at all with focus, i also have a 105 sigma, that hunts sometimes but is excellent with manual focus.
Thank you for sharing Dennis - much appreciated.
And that's why Tokina will stay with me :). For $1000, I would expect quality in all parameters, including reliability.
Tokina underrated, and unfortunately have taken a backseat to Tams and Siggys.
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I agree, newer is not always better.
Very interesting comparison!
Your metaphor with the old car and a modern one are very great and I think the same.
I tested some different Nikon Z cameras in the store and every time I found some negative things about them which just work on my D850.
Shows me I for myself was right in investing in cheaper, older DSLR gear and not yet upgrade to more modern systems like Nikon Z.
🙏🏻
Good comment TomS. Mirrorless has its advantages, and can only improve down the road. My aging eyes love the EVF of my Z7, but I still love a good OVF like in my D500, or D700. It is a known entity that mirrorless cameras love ‘backgrounds.’ They can get confused. I very seldom have issues with my Z7, but NO AF system is perfect. But I do agree with You, and I still keep/use/enjoy my DSLR’s! Stay safe and Happy Shooting!
@@georgedavall9449 Well everyone like he/she feels what's best, right? 😊 I just found that I personally find the EVFs from the Zfc/Z5/Z6 and Z7II (all Zs I could test) all horrible as they are. They lag, they look not sharp and when moving the picture gets blurry.
I just might have a lot better eyes than many 😅😆
@@TheTS1205 Hey TomS, second attempt at replying to you, as my server went down and I lost my unfinished reply, argh! So here is my second attempt, see how you “rate!” 😆
Like I said before, like You, I still prefer the good old DSLR, even though I am slowly embracing Mirrorless. The Z7 EVF works Ok for my tired old eyes. (Cataract surgery is in my near future). Could it be better, of course!
Like You, I still prefer a really good OVF. And
I am hoping my surgery will help my viewing experience.
Companies will continue to improve upon their product. Technology continues on no matter what. Stay Safe and happy Shooting!
Nice informative video. It is always a disappointment when a product does not exactly match our dream.i am sure you will get it sorted.
Thank you 🙏🏻 Kim!
Do you like the Tokina 100mm f2.8? Do you recommend this lens over the Nikon 105mm f2.8d afs?
Considering the price point, the Tokina lens is excellent. I use it mainly for macro and product photography. I'm not familiar with the Nikon lens you mention.
Hi!
Hunting is somehow normal if there's not enough light or contrast to grab on to. But that sounds are not normal in any situation. Are you sure you didn't got a bad copy of lens?
Hi Florin, thank you for your question. No, unfortunately I am not sure. I can only benchmark towards my D4 with the Tokina on, and the AF is clearly slower on the Z6ii/105MC. I use pinpoint focus, that may be some of the problem, but I also do that on the D4. Maybe I am blowing the difference out of proportions, but the D4 just focuses faster and better IMHO. Today the Z6ii/105MC would not grab on to a small branch in the foreground, but happily focused all the way to infinity. Only when I pulled the focal plane all the way back with manual focus and then hit the BB AF was the Z6ii/105MC able to focus on the small branch in the foreground. It is as if it cannot figure out whether to walk back or forth when it tries to grab focus.
@@frederikboving unfortunately i had this experience to. Pin point AF is base on contrast detection. It shold be the most precise focus tipe, especialy for macro. Is slow, but precise. Maybe on a Z9 is better, but there's a lot of money to put there.
To shame on this sistem, as this lens is the sharpest macro in the world as Cristopher Frost says afteter comparing maybe every macro lens.
@@crs1flo Thank you Florin, I was not aware that pin point is based on contrast. I expected the camera to use both the phase and the contrast detect when it has both systems, but apparently not in pinpoint AF. You may just have explained why I have all these focus issues!
@@frederikboving This len is designed for manual focus, you can see AI-S marked underneath the len.
I have a lot of Nikon Legacy glass non Ai, Ai, AIS , D and G lenses, Tamron F mounts and this Tokina 100 macro.
I purchased a 24-120mm Z mount S lens to replace a G lens with same focal range for twice the price,
Was I twice as impressed? No not really, I keep the Z lens attached to a Z5 and a Tamron F-mount 100-400mm for my everyday carry. Wife shoots weddings with mirrorless and uses an FTZ adapter and I've been wanting to get her the Z lenses costing $6,337 usd and that's on sale for (4) lenses and just can't justify the purchase when she is getting the shots already with the older glass.
Thank you for sharing this 🙏🏻 - IMHO the z mount glass is a level better than f mount across the board but most of us really don't need that to get the job done. 👍 and yes you have to pay handsomely for the z glass.
@@frederikboving Go for Z Noct if price is not your concern. Otherwise, stay away from Z. AI/AIS prime were just superior quality to modern AF-S lens if you don't need fast auto-focus.
@@raymondchan3587I beg to differ. The z mount glass is superior to most other Nikon glass I have tried. In terms of technical image quality that is.
The photographic experience Nikon F offers is just hard to match - this goes for a lot of different F mount products, not just the items you compared.
Don't fix it if it is not broken.
Yep. Shot with the MC 105 yesterday and it continues to love to focus on the background 🙄
I am using Tokina 100 macro with my Z6II & Zf bodies. Really great result although it is used with adapter. For extreme macro I am using Tokina 100mm with Raynox DCR 250. I also using tokina 100mm macro for macro video you can check my youtube channel. Because of Nikon Z version macro lens price I continuing with Tokina 100mm. Planning to buy Laowa 25mm Ultra macro.
Thank you for sharing - yes, z lenses are expensive especially when compared to f mount ones.
Focus limiter switch on or off? Low light autofocus mode on or off?
Limiter: off. Low light now on. Did not help much though. The D4 just focuses better and faster imho- maybe I am blowing the difference out of proportion but it is definitely there.
Use AF-S instead of AF-C, does it works?
The DOF when you shoot macro (close to the subject) is super shallow so I would only recommend AF-S for still subjects and with the camera on a tripod. I use the lens for moving subjects, so AF-S wouldn't work for me unfortunately but thanks for proposing 👍🙏🏻
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Yes, that one and the 60mm version are the most f up lens i have tried , the af besides been bad also get broken very soon and cost 300€+ to fix it, it happens to me twice and that made me send to hell Nikkor AFs system for ever....is well-known that the afs system it failed in many models, 17-35mm 2.8, 80-200mm 2.8 and Nikon did nothing about it but charging the bill to costumers, so from my side middle finger to all them new crap afs lens priced and full of fails...I prefer Sigma or tamron, and the canon L can be more or less sharp but are really made for last not like Nikkor ...
Hi Jorge, sorry if my video took you back to some bad experiences, but it seems like you can relate to the video content! :-)
@@frederikboving no worries, it is something well-known in the sector about Nikkor lenses and the issues about Nikkor sensor, d600, d800 oil spots... unfortunately Nikon has not prestige anymore with his costumers....the tokina is an awesome gear made for last as all the Nikkor AIS and D series....from then all consumer plastic crap....try the 105mm 2.8d, cheap and good, the tokina is my first election, and for macro the auto focus is mostly useless...tusen takk for din video Fredrik, hilsen fra Hong Kong
ua-cam.com/video/7RJh7VZrjA4/v-deo.html So don't' know only have the 105 f mount . But maybe 0.29m - 0,5m focus setting grtz
Thanks for the link. Maybe it's because I'm on my phone here, but he claims a huge difference between the z lens and the f mount and then shows some print circuits shot at f8 where I cannot tell the difference- can you?
@@frederikboving to me looks sharper can read the text better on the black square parts x50 caa 3ms , but f mount looks good enough for me . Use D810 D750 D4s and got D700 after watching your videos . Really happy with the D700 and waiting with getting anything new .
@@thijsgerhardus8672 no matter how sharp a lens is, sharpening in post still beats it or equalizes everything..
This really is comparing apples to oranges! The lenses are 18 years apart and £700 price difference, newer isn't always better... 🙂
Not sure where that comment is going? 🤷♂️