That’s why it sucks that she’s so underpowered tbh. If she was a bit better, I’d actually want to play tank more (I mostly main support and like playing Monke but I just don’t like playing tank because my hero pool in that role is limited to Winston and Sigma lol)
theres a quick simple change they could make to JQ to make her good without busting her wide open: players affected by the wound affect take (some %) reduced healing. Makes her able to finish kills better, makes her exert more frontline pressure without making her impossible to 1v1, doesnt cross any dmg thresholds, doesnt push her into someone else's niche, etc.
I just wished junker queen's bleed buff was a buff that wasn't dependent on the enemy still bleeding. Like you recover X/hp for 5 secs when you inflict bleed. So you can just kill your target and get the benefits.
Queen should receive all heals she was due when an enemy dies. It is so counter-intuitive that you need to let enemies live to get decent value from the bleed.
@@ramped_shadowz6310 I feel like this is a mechanic in another game and i cant remember it for the life of me. Its safe to say that it was a welcomed change, no one should be punished for killing someone - which now that i think about it, its ironic considering Rams ult.
@@scotttimbrell8632 not really, rams ult puts extra pressure along sith your nemesis form, its not really a win condition ult, its how good you are in nemesis form plus positioning that allows you to be more terrifying. on that note queen when she has bleed effect on someone and they die, she loses all benefits, ramattra may lose the benefits of nemesis form but he has shield and snare to fall back to in order to cycle it for more hp and block. queen has nothing to fall back to other than shout but she cant cycle it due to long cooldown minus the fact that its just helath and no armor
@@ramped_shadowz6310 that would be a lot better but illogical tbh. I think her bleed should just be faster. So same amount of damage/heals but its faster. So you heal faster but still the same amount.
@@realhollowapathy Ive literally seen hog in the majority of my games even before overwatch 2, hog is a dps' wetdream. Hes a 1 shot monster with 600hp and a heal? His 1 ability does more potential damage than any dps' kit. Why they havent reworked him is beyond me. Imo his hook should be a connection after you hit it, locking down the target allowing your team to follow up with kills, not a pull that allows you to 1 shot someone, its incredibly unfun and has been for the better part of a decade now.
She is literally the more balanced version of hog, a skillshot pull that doesnt allow a 1 shot, a shotgun that doesnt 1 shot and hp that is temporary instead of an instant 300 hp heal.
Supposedly she’s getting some “spicy” changes in the mid season patch. Assuming heavy buffs but could mean a slight rework somehow. Don’t know how that would work but would certainly be “spicy”.
5:20 “If we get hogged and sorjourned into the ground, I’m going off to get some food.” *Proceeds to get Roadhog and Sorjourn, dogs on them anyways* Never change Flats xD
I had a game exactly like that first one today and the junkerqueen mirror is literally the most fun I have had in overwatch in years. I'm still learning the best times to use her shout but once I get that down I might just try to main her
Junker Queen is just a blast, honestly the funnest tank there is. I can't wait for the mid-season patch, I hope that her buffs are actually meaningful this time. Love her.
That triple anti situation is my Ana Experience My aim sucks but I'm good at reading opponents and tracking cooldowns and the sheer number of times I've landed Nades on people with no way to save themselves only for my team to ignore them is one of the few reasons I feel depressed in OW lmao
@@all4me501 From my experience, not in random comp games. Everyone in your team is just putting too much focus in farming kills instead of playing as a team, resulting in wasting your suzu because everyone's 5km away from each other.
I've always wondered if Junker Queen was based of the main character from He Who Fights With Monsters, Jason Asano. He Australian too and has abilities that cause bleed and drain enemies for health. His main weapon is also a knife.
The fact that Hog can fully pull any enemy including tanks but Queen can barely boop tanks into the air feels like bullshit. Either both should be affected by the tank passive or none.
Y'all should do like a streamer draft where someone picks teams and like u, emongg, jay3, etc. play against each other like for fun nothing serious. That would be really fun to watch. Great video btw. common flats W
It literally does the same damage over time anyway, I can't think of a reason unless you wanna pull them off a pit or save it to mitigate their escape ability
I think if Queen had a second weapon like Mercy or Torb that was a Desert Eagle type heavy hitting hand cannon it’d complete her kit and make her very relevant and good. Just my opinion.
Honestly flats I love you’re vids so much and ur content. But idk how much longer I can watch you cuz I just really haven’t been enjoying overwatch2 at all recently, it’s hard for me to watch games that I don’t play hopefully you’ll make more and keep making flats 2 content
14:40 had a match where time and the enemy tank started as rein and from his first death on they counter swapped whatever I picked and it was the dumbest shit
Not trying to be mean but if you're beating a Hog it's not likely you doing good but the Hog being bad how he is in this meta he really should be beating out every tank minus Orisa who should be javelining hooks to save teammates
I hope they make hog unplayable for a while like they did with mei. I think people will see how much more fun this game will be without a one shot tank that is barely punishable.
Git good and coordinate to focus him down better, I'd rather have a tank that has to slowly walk up to you uncontested to kill you than sojourn who one taps you from 50 meters away and even if you manage to walk over there she jumps away for free
Junker Queen is so fun but she feels so underpowered compared to all the tanks maybe besides ball. I think she just needs to have more survivability. Decrease her shout cd to 12 and increase her health to 500. Cuz 425 hp as a tank is just laughable. Considering her only survival ability is on a 14 sec cd. Imo but just doing those too things it’ll will go along way
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening her damage isn’t as bad as her survivability imo. But yeah I think she just needs to get a slight increase in her found damages knife from 15-25 and carnage 40-50 and lower the time it takes to do that damage. I feel like that would be pretty good cuz she’ll do more burst, heal more, and heal faster. Obviously with the other buffs I mentioned
Playing junker queen in lower elos like Plat and diamond is hell only because some of your teammates instantly guess she's trash and then they flame you the whole match.
Greatest thing-“ima go sub to you; I’m already sub to flats tho.” Junkerqueen is actually fun to play. Just the counter swaps are annoying. Playing against good hog players makes me wanna hurt whoever’s idea it was to make junkerqueen bigger😭😂
Is fun to plauly but that ult from her is so shi* one cleabse from kiriko whete is idk 12 s cd on it ? When yoh need to build junker ult for like 2 ,3 min. If kirko cleanse work on queen ult why it doesn't work for zayra ult ?
@@xthescootermanxuhh by finding bronze players that are new or don’t have much time played? It’s not that hard to do considering jay3 has done 5 bronzes versus a buffed top 500 character a few times. Literally not hard to find bronze players and put them in a custom lobby against bots
they need to fix the gimmicks with kiriko and baptiste, the invuln ability being able to shutdown ults entirely while having ults like lucios, it makes absolutley zero sense and just shows the devs are lazy and cant thimk of anything better, if anything lucios uly makes sense for an invuln, kiriko can cleanse, but it shouldnt be both cleanse AND invuln. (lucio main btw)
@@reapfield8687 yeah but the problem with this current meta is by the time you bait the Suzu Hog or Sojourn can easily pick off most your team hope the balance patch knocks them down so we get back to more fun and intuitive metas
@@reapfield8687 or you can save your ability because you feel like the enemy queen got her ult and you wait until they ult. Counter 102 and common sense 103. The argument goes either way and you wouldn’t see someone complaining about sigma’s ult getting cancelled by stun abilities cuz landing stun on sigma requires at least some skill compared to using Kiriko ability on queen ult, which was my point.
Hog, I take 30% less dmg while I heal 300 health. I have a ranged 1 shot ability and steady dmg. I love being me. Devs, he’s fine, just use your cooldowns and play around him or as him you’re fine…
as a rein main junk queen brawl kit feels so natural - it's bliss
Junker Queen is so fun to play honestly
That’s why it sucks that she’s so underpowered tbh. If she was a bit better, I’d actually want to play tank more (I mostly main support and like playing Monke but I just don’t like playing tank because my hero pool in that role is limited to Winston and Sigma lol)
Legit her kit is so fun. Wish she was better.
prob my favorite tank. too bad i can't get more than 3 kills with her
She's one of my favorites atm even with how weak she is. Probably helps I love Rein.
Too bad blizzard hates her
theres a quick simple change they could make to JQ to make her good without busting her wide open: players affected by the wound affect take (some %) reduced healing. Makes her able to finish kills better, makes her exert more frontline pressure without making her impossible to 1v1, doesnt cross any dmg thresholds, doesnt push her into someone else's niche, etc.
I just wished junker queen's bleed buff was a buff that wasn't dependent on the enemy still bleeding. Like you recover X/hp for 5 secs when you inflict bleed. So you can just kill your target and get the benefits.
Queen should receive all heals she was due when an enemy dies. It is so counter-intuitive that you need to let enemies live to get decent value from the bleed.
@@ramped_shadowz6310 I feel like this is a mechanic in another game and i cant remember it for the life of me. Its safe to say that it was a welcomed change, no one should be punished for killing someone - which now that i think about it, its ironic considering Rams ult.
@@scotttimbrell8632 not really, rams ult puts extra pressure along sith your nemesis form, its not really a win condition ult, its how good you are in nemesis form plus positioning that allows you to be more terrifying. on that note queen when she has bleed effect on someone and they die, she loses all benefits, ramattra may lose the benefits of nemesis form but he has shield and snare to fall back to in order to cycle it for more hp and block. queen has nothing to fall back to other than shout but she cant cycle it due to long cooldown minus the fact that its just helath and no armor
@@ramped_shadowz6310 that would be a lot better but illogical tbh. I think her bleed should just be faster. So same amount of damage/heals but its faster. So you heal faster but still the same amount.
The heal imo is still way to weak, remove the buff and make it heal.impact damage aswell ;)
Even in Qp when the other tank is getting diffed they go pig, nice to see a different ending to the story
Love the guys that lose one fight on Ramatra and then go Hog or Doom immediately
Dude, I was playing as Ram against JQ, and immediately after I killed them they switched to Hog. I'm so done seeing him in every game I play.
@@realhollowapathy Ive literally seen hog in the majority of my games even before overwatch 2, hog is a dps' wetdream. Hes a 1 shot monster with 600hp and a heal? His 1 ability does more potential damage than any dps' kit. Why they havent reworked him is beyond me. Imo his hook should be a connection after you hit it, locking down the target allowing your team to follow up with kills, not a pull that allows you to 1 shot someone, its incredibly unfun and has been for the better part of a decade now.
@@scotttimbrell8632 they said they are going to nerf his one shot sometime mid January
@@zsm3985 and then complaints come in this cycle just doesn't end.
Junker queen is the most fun to roll as. Pulling people back and shooting them as they run away in fear is so funny
She is literally the more balanced version of hog, a skillshot pull that doesnt allow a 1 shot, a shotgun that doesnt 1 shot and hp that is temporary instead of an instant 300 hp heal.
I love the fear you can see when you shout and start running toward a squishy! you can see them get all panicked lol
@@scotttimbrell8632 definitely one of the more fun tanks to play imo
@@decomposies It is even more hilarious when you humiliate the enemy JQ pointing toward squishies with 2 Sojourn railgun headshot lol
Junker Queen is such a joy to play as, definitely a nice pub-stomping kit, I just hope she was ranked higher on the metagame
Supposedly she’s getting some “spicy” changes in the mid season patch. Assuming heavy buffs but could mean a slight rework somehow. Don’t know how that would work but would certainly be “spicy”.
“Unethical” name is golden on the sojourn in the thumbnail, great editing
Hope this is a one-off title and thumbnail. Something about these "So I played X hero and this is how it went" awakens a deep-rooted anger inside me
5:20 “If we get hogged and sorjourned into the ground, I’m going off to get some food.”
*Proceeds to get Roadhog and Sorjourn, dogs on them anyways*
Never change Flats xD
Love finishing off someone with the throwing knife, brings back those COD MW3 vibes :)
I had a game exactly like that first one today and the junkerqueen mirror is literally the most fun I have had in overwatch in years. I'm still learning the best times to use her shout but once I get that down I might just try to main her
Wow, that Zarya had her bubbles at all the right places at all the right times.
Junker Queen is just a blast, honestly the funnest tank there is. I can't wait for the mid-season patch, I hope that her buffs are actually meaningful this time. Love her.
Shes genuinely so fun to play
That triple anti situation is my Ana Experience
My aim sucks but I'm good at reading opponents and tracking cooldowns and the sheer number of times I've landed Nades on people with no way to save themselves only for my team to ignore them is one of the few reasons I feel depressed in OW lmao
I love playing her so much. I hope they get her in a decent spot.
We not gonna talk about that cool little bit before flats started talking at the start of the video?
I know junker queens not the strongest but I find her very fun great to see flats play her
Love your vids and i could vibe all day to the bgm starting at 5:33(wana know how the song is called if possible) much love
It sucks that the best thing in JQ's kit is just completely nullified by Kiriko
True but I always say to myself "she can't cleanse em all" xD
@@dethbedsmolzwhent.t6498 and then she does it anyways ;)
@@all4me501 From my experience, not in random comp games.
Everyone in your team is just putting too much focus in farming kills instead of playing as a team, resulting in wasting your suzu because everyone's 5km away from each other.
@@jador9641 On the upside:
The junker queen can't hit more than two people either if you're that spread out
“It’s just the queen everyone gang her!!”
*insert cornhub music here*
Thanks for the laughs flats
love seeing flats actually enjoying the game for once :)
I've always wondered if Junker Queen was based of the main character from He Who Fights With Monsters, Jason Asano. He Australian too and has abilities that cause bleed and drain enemies for health. His main weapon is also a knife.
Mad Max Thunderdome.
@@michaelb9537 Damn I always skipped that movie on tv. guess it's going on the list. thanks!
Isnt all Australians weapon of choose a big fuck off knife?
@@scotttimbrell8632 lol I guess so!
The fact that Hog can fully pull any enemy including tanks but Queen can barely boop tanks into the air feels like bullshit. Either both should be affected by the tank passive or none.
She is hog but balanced, except hog still exists so she's actually just a worse hog
I appreciate the Jet Set Radio tunes. Also it was so satisfying seeing the hog/Zarya player lose. Flats' JQ making a hog switch to Zarya was insane.
Love ur content!
Y'all should do like a streamer draft where someone picks teams and like u, emongg, jay3, etc. play against each other like for fun nothing serious. That would be really fun to watch. Great video btw. common flats W
I don't know why, but Junker Queen is my favorite tank to watch people play :)
JQ is legit the most fun character in the game. I hope they manage to make her not dogshit one day
Quick question: Is there any benefits for leaving the knife in them? I feel like it's way better to pick it up right away
It literally does the same damage over time anyway, I can't think of a reason unless you wanna pull them off a pit or save it to mitigate their escape ability
Love the continued Jet Grind Radio respect 👏
I'm just glad to see people adopting the Sym strategies I developed S1 OW1. You're all welcome.
They should make this meta just cuz of how FUN this looks
I think if Queen had a second weapon like Mercy or Torb that was a Desert Eagle type heavy hitting hand cannon it’d complete her kit and make her very relevant and good. Just my opinion.
I’m so glad they reduced the cost on her Ult because that thing took ten years to build
and 1 second to cleanse :(
Honestly flats I love you’re vids so much and ur content. But idk how much longer I can watch you cuz I just really haven’t been enjoying overwatch2 at all recently, it’s hard for me to watch games that I don’t play hopefully you’ll make more and keep making flats 2 content
Missed a great chance to name the Winston Winston Overwat instead of Monke
winton overwat
Winton Overwat
14:40 had a match where time and the enemy tank started as rein and from his first death on they counter swapped whatever I picked and it was the dumbest shit
Ngl I wanna actually catch some streams live sometime :'3
When does flats stream?
Many hours a day, basically every day
Best junker Queen combo I've seen in a game is they used the knife to pull the enemy orisa into sojourns disrupter and kill it.
One does not simply enter the window when Seagull says no to the TP
love the jet set music
Thanks again. Can you do a video on yesterdays hero changes? Would love your opinion!!
The sym teleporters are insane !!
Can Queen beat Hog? I dunno if it’s my low rank games but I usually do fine Vs. Roadhog and even kinda roll him
Even a moira can beat hog, it just takes a bit long and roadhog has a slight advantage in the matchup.
@@all4me501 slight? lmfaooo
Not trying to be mean but if you're beating a Hog it's not likely you doing good but the Hog being bad how he is in this meta he really should be beating out every tank minus Orisa who should be javelining hooks to save teammates
@@justindemont6062 Queen can save others from the hook one-shot with a well-timed shout, but the shout takes so long to build it is not an ideal use.
Flats playing junker queen I must be dreaming
give your thumbnail creator a raise
I hope they make hog unplayable for a while like they did with mei. I think people will see how much more fun this game will be without a one shot tank that is barely punishable.
Git good and coordinate to focus him down better, I'd rather have a tank that has to slowly walk up to you uncontested to kill you than sojourn who one taps you from 50 meters away and even if you manage to walk over there she jumps away for free
Liked for having jet set radio ost
I dont know if its my lack of knowledge but the Junker Queen displacement throws me off every time
after seeing him talk about keywords and capitalization and stuff, I'm noticing it a lot more in his titles now lol
Junker Queen is so fun but she feels so underpowered compared to all the tanks maybe besides ball. I think she just needs to have more survivability. Decrease her shout cd to 12 and increase her health to 500. Cuz 425 hp as a tank is just laughable. Considering her only survival ability is on a 14 sec cd. Imo but just doing those too things it’ll will go along way
Even that wouldn't be such a terrible thing if her damage wasn't laughable even though she's supposed to be designed around playing aggressively 😭
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening her damage isn’t as bad as her survivability imo. But yeah I think she just needs to get a slight increase in her found damages knife from 15-25 and carnage 40-50 and lower the time it takes to do that damage. I feel like that would be pretty good cuz she’ll do more burst, heal more, and heal faster. Obviously with the other buffs I mentioned
Beating metaslaves with your own stats is a different kinda flex
Nice jet grind radio BGM
Around 7 minutes that's the only time I've ever seen a symetra wall get burned down. WHAT!!!
Junker Queen ult? uhm you mean, "it's junkin time"
Time for the spicening
Yay my favorite character, with my favorite ow streamer
“Here’s how it went” switch’s to roadhog 😂😂😂
Ashe with the name Sogeking just fits very well.
I LOVE WHEN YALL PLAY SYMM IN THIS META SO FUNNY HAHA XD
The fact that kirikos short cool down can end an entire ultimate is just dumb
She's always was fun to play the problem was that everyone was stronger
Playing junker queen in lower elos like Plat and diamond is hell only because some of your teammates instantly guess she's trash and then they flame you the whole match.
as a JQ main, i can confirm this, and sadly extends into QP/Arcade as well
@@xthescootermanx why do we get this undeserved toxicity 😭😭
@@epicturtleurtle3626 because we are considered throwing and not taking the game seriously like everyone should, apparently.
@@xthescootermanx facts
Jet set radio supremacy
Today I learned that Seagull has a second channel
5:20 let’s see how this game goes… if we just get hogged and sojourned into the ground I’m going off to get food. 😂
I think junker queen likes neon
After watching this gameplay, it is clear we need to buff Sojourn. We will also be nerfing Genji.
she's so fun, i usually play her in open queue when we need another dps cuz solo tank junk is not nearly as fun
Every time I play JQ in ranked they just swap to Hog. Wish I had fun enemies like yours.
Hog kiriko is the meta? Nah, Flats Seagull is the meta
SOMEONE clearly has played Jet Grind Radio
Your cracked at junker
helltaker theme 🙏🏻
Would have been nice if they made the spped up dps passive to sym
JET GRIND RADIOOOOOOOOO.
Greatest thing-“ima go sub to you; I’m already sub to flats tho.” Junkerqueen is actually fun to play. Just the counter swaps are annoying. Playing against good hog players makes me wanna hurt whoever’s idea it was to make junkerqueen bigger😭😂
Funnest hero on the game imo and shes a menace on console lol, even before the buffs coming mid S2
Is fun to plauly but that ult from her is so shi* one cleabse from kiriko whete is idk 12 s cd on it ? When yoh need to build junker ult for like 2 ,3 min. If kirko cleanse work on queen ult why it doesn't work for zayra ult ?
cause queen applies an effect and zarya throws a projectile. You can't cleanse torbjörn turret either
1 team playing queen, sym while the other team tries to play "meta" comp. Reminds me of my lower ranked games lol
honestly i think junker queen loves neon
junker Queen is so fun ... just still weak right now and that damn kiriko suzu makes the ult quite worthless
it would be really cool if movement abilitys were disabled when you have you knife in them
HUMMING THE BASS LINE
It's funny how basically every ult has an "unofficial" name, and then you hear "I have, ehrm, junkerqueen ult" cause she's played so rarely
Just rampage lol
Bro the universe telling me you almost as big as it bruh
Day 11 of asking Flats to do bronze vs bots again.
how can he do that when matchmakings so fucked that you are seeing bronze getting matched with diamonds/GMs
@@xthescootermanxuhh by finding bronze players that are new or don’t have much time played? It’s not that hard to do considering jay3 has done 5 bronzes versus a buffed top 500 character a few times. Literally not hard to find bronze players and put them in a custom lobby against bots
Idk if it's just me but i miss the six vs six gameplay
It's just you
Heads up Kiriko No TP (No toiletpaper) so she can't heal
junker queen is like roadhog except you have to think
Imagine building up a big ass ult only to be fully countered by a mere cool-down ability by a support player. Sense much makes!
they need to fix the gimmicks with kiriko and baptiste, the invuln ability being able to shutdown ults entirely while having ults like lucios, it makes absolutley zero sense and just shows the devs are lazy and cant thimk of anything better, if anything lucios uly makes sense for an invuln, kiriko can cleanse, but it shouldnt be both cleanse AND invuln. (lucio main btw)
Or you could bait out the mere cooldown ability or wait until it's been used instead of inting as soon as you get ult. Game sense 101
@@reapfield8687 yeah but the problem with this current meta is by the time you bait the Suzu Hog or Sojourn can easily pick off most your team hope the balance patch knocks them down so we get back to more fun and intuitive metas
@@reapfield8687 or you can save your ability because you feel like the enemy queen got her ult and you wait until they ult. Counter 102 and common sense 103.
The argument goes either way and you wouldn’t see someone complaining about sigma’s ult getting cancelled by stun abilities cuz landing stun on sigma requires at least some skill compared to using Kiriko ability on queen ult, which was my point.
Jet set radio!😊
Part of me thinks Junk queen hasn't received enough buffs in part because she could dominate if slightly overtuned
I think her cool downs could be reduced a little bit and give her a very slight boost in regen from bleed and she'd be ok
All she really does is run around throwing knifes tho xd
They need to add armor to her health
Hog, I take 30% less dmg while I heal 300 health. I have a ranged 1 shot ability and steady dmg. I love being me. Devs, he’s fine, just use your cooldowns and play around him or as him you’re fine…
1440P finally :)
Will we ever get 4K?
JQ has always been fun to play it just sucks that she is so weak comparatively to the other tanks.
I feel like junk queen is tittering on the edge of being meta or not being meta. I could be wrong though, I am still very new to Overwatch.
Junker Queen isnt very strong but by god, she is extremely fun