Man I think Wirtual has more interesting videos than this one. It's not bad at all, production value is on point, but he's covered more interesting stories
12:00 Because speedrun communities don't run on spite, they run on "haha you got me, but can you do this?" It's the challenge, it's never been about keeping something, only getting it to begin with. They update the track, they make it harder. Well, that's just a new challenge. Trackmania 2020 would be so much less popular with the tracks getting recycled every few months, especially with the daily tracks. No one would care.
Is it weird to anyone else how ludwig and the chat thought that the creator updating the map was somehow "not fun"? At least to me, the fun in finding these kinds of shortcuts (in any game) is the challenge. Once the challenge has been finished, why wouldn't you want a new one?
The way I (and I'm guessing the chat) see it, the creator is refusing to play along and accept the existence of a shortcut. You see the constant edits as a back-and-forth between the creator and shortcut-seekers. I see it more like a kid getting mad because you're not playing with their toy the way they wanted you to. Personally, I'd much rather the creator say "fair cop" and make a new map instead of editing this same map whenever someone shortcuts it.
@@TMThesaurus From what I heard from other commenters who knew Igntul on forums and such, he didn't particularly care for the map anymore after people figured out the solution. Him seeing the map get shortcutted in these new ways is what actually drew his interest back to the map and was actually updating the map to see if there were even more new ways to shortcut the map without getting rid of the original premise and solution to the map because then it would've become a different map altogether.
I mean, I can understand igntul changing the map. He's kinda just pushing the community to come up with more absurd ways of pulling off the shortcut, which is always fun.
Not rlly, he’s just trying to force ppl to sit in game for 16 hours, I’d understand if there was a different strategy to the map but wtf, nobody wants to wait 16 hours.
I still don't know why they didn't just make alternate versions of the map once someone beat the first one's attempt to force them to take the intended way
It's the creators map, so he gets to do whatever, but I feel like he could use an iterative system if he wants to implement hard fixes like that. That way speedrunners can still hold records, but in specific versions. But honestly, putting a wall over like that was so uninspiring.
This is the second wirtual video I’ve seen where he builds up the history of a record just to let you know how cool his most recent record is😂😂😂love him tho
16:16 yes but he said in the beginning of the video they base it off of the amount of time seemed by doing it the initial intended way in since virtual's one hour time wasn't the intended way it doesn't count
The reason it's a 30 and a half hour time save instead of half an hour time save is because you can only hold one position on the leaderboard, and the person behind Wirtual had a record 30 and a half hours longer
Uh Lud, to answer your question, no, it wouldn’t shorten the record of most time saved on a shortcut. If you were referring to most time saved on a record, then yes, but the shortcut still saved more time going backward than forward over the course of the whole track, even though the record was only improved by a half hour.
Wirtual got me to buy a PC. First game I bought was Trackmania but my catalogue has now expanded. But I do love Trackmania and still my most played game.
16:05 no the shortcut time save is the difference between the time it takes to beat the track the intended vs how much time it took you to beat the track with the shortcut not the previous world record
@@LimabeanStudios reacting to something, even a little, is a form of transforming content. To just upload a section of the stream with the intention of making money off of it doesnt sit right to me. Ludwig do not react to the thing thinking "boy oh boy I'm gonna make a shot load of money reacting to this" but the one who reupload it and check "the suitable for advertising" clearly considering money as a factor.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind these mini docs being done by people. That being said it is nice that Wirtual is a great trackmania player. It just kind of adds something when some of the narrator's of the other docs may not have the experience.
Not sure what I'm supposed to think about the "This track is possible" guy, but I think he tried to push people to find other ways. I don't think he was butthurt about people finding other cuts
Wirtual is one of the most underrated content creators on this platform, glad he’s starting to grab some mainstream attention. Makes me happy
agreed. his production value is top notch and the music is always amazing. makes 30 minutes go by like that.
@@frumpyglint I know right. His world record vids are mesmerizing
I literally just finished watching one of his videos.
@@MrJWTH let me guess, the new wr video? Lol
@@TeoSolly It was the impossible shortcut video I saw on the front page, not sure if it’s the same one you’re thinking of.
i cant wait for this bros vs pros, been watching both these guys forever
same, I've watched both of them for about 9 months
@@AmberO_ yeah i've been watching lud for almost 2 years and wirtual for about 8-9 months
@@lucashall1167 8-9 months forever for u?
@@Zero-rp4xr ye
I’ve also watched both forever but I don’t have to wait
"Turtle backwards, blindfolded, drunk, high"
C'mon Wirtual, you gotta do it!
Man I think Wirtual has more interesting videos than this one. It's not bad at all, production value is on point, but he's covered more interesting stories
His videos never miss, but I agree the topic here is one of the blander ones
they should've reacted to the longest record held. that's a crazy storu
@@litapd311 from the E14 cut?
@@lonesome3958 ye his most popular vid
the 14 year old record that was brocken
@@AverageJoe610 i think marbles on stream got more views, but yeah, his e4 (not e14 im dumb) vid is his most popular one
Well, it's not just an hour save at the end, since the definition given in the beginning at 2:02, is the total amount saved against the intended way.
yeah yeah he does understand it later on
Man haven't played trackmania in forever but the good ol days of TMUF and TMNF playing TMRPG, freestyle, and fullspeed. Good times.
Same, i remember wasting several hours building press forward tracks
@@markl4159 Same honestly. I had a whole bunch I made a long time ago even though most of them were bad lol. Good times tho.
Same. It's free on steam, so I decided to play again, and it still holds up. Abusimbel 2 is still fucking hard
Trackmania is still going strong tho. It's growing fast right now.
A lot of servers are still full. It won't go away anytime soon.
now he needs to watch the one about one of the A-Circuit shortcuts, i think it was "when trackmania players flew" or something
About A12-Speed eh?
Yeah A-12 Speed - when cars flew
One of my favs
2:00 THATS ME :D knights Ragle
Im there too Pog 3rd map
@@Erizel how do we handle this fame 😳
@@2.6.0 xD
Nice :)
@@2.6.0 can I get a screenshot?
12:00
Because speedrun communities don't run on spite, they run on "haha you got me, but can you do this?" It's the challenge, it's never been about keeping something, only getting it to begin with.
They update the track, they make it harder. Well, that's just a new challenge.
Trackmania 2020 would be so much less popular with the tracks getting recycled every few months, especially with the daily tracks. No one would care.
Not the crossover I expected, but I can‘t complain
I’ve watched both GeoWizard and Wirtual for years and just recently Ludwig has featured them both.
Shoutout to the poeple in twitch chat who were saying "Hi Ludwig Reacts YT"
my mom walked in and went "the biggest shortcut in Transylvania?"
This video made me feel like a kid again. :)
The pure joy and excitement in playing video games makes me happy.
Yes!! Wirtuals gonna blow up finally!!
16:05
Wrong. The metric is shortcutted time over time taken using the INTENDED route. the 1 hour time is the shortcutted time.
As a long Time wirtual fan It warms My heart to see his sucsess
Is it weird to anyone else how ludwig and the chat thought that the creator updating the map was somehow "not fun"? At least to me, the fun in finding these kinds of shortcuts (in any game) is the challenge. Once the challenge has been finished, why wouldn't you want a new one?
Agreed
The way I (and I'm guessing the chat) see it, the creator is refusing to play along and accept the existence of a shortcut. You see the constant edits as a back-and-forth between the creator and shortcut-seekers. I see it more like a kid getting mad because you're not playing with their toy the way they wanted you to. Personally, I'd much rather the creator say "fair cop" and make a new map instead of editing this same map whenever someone shortcuts it.
@@TMThesaurus didn't think of it that way, thanks for some more perspective
@@TMThesaurus From what I heard from other commenters who knew Igntul on forums and such, he didn't particularly care for the map anymore after people figured out the solution. Him seeing the map get shortcutted in these new ways is what actually drew his interest back to the map and was actually updating the map to see if there were even more new ways to shortcut the map without getting rid of the original premise and solution to the map because then it would've become a different map altogether.
@@TMThesaurus Essentially to Igntul, he sees the map more as a constantly changing puzzle rather than some "art piece" to be left alone.
He said at the "normal way" not the exploited way so that's why it's the biggest shortcut
By "The normal way" Wirtual meant time save over author time
That is NOT how Dutchies sound lmao
Hes norwegian
@@Cobalt957 no shit
“Tu tu turtle backwords drunk high” that made me almost die
I mean, I can understand igntul changing the map. He's kinda just pushing the community to come up with more absurd ways of pulling off the shortcut, which is always fun.
Not rlly, he’s just trying to force ppl to sit in game for 16 hours, I’d understand if there was a different strategy to the map but wtf, nobody wants to wait 16 hours.
@@Morbid_Stonerthen you must underestimate the trackmania community.
15:49 Shortcutting means how much time saved from the intended way to from the previous wr
I still don't know why they didn't just make alternate versions of the map once someone beat the first one's attempt to force them to take the intended way
that's because that's what makes TM more competitive and entertaining.
It's the creators map, so he gets to do whatever, but I feel like he could use an iterative system if he wants to implement hard fixes like that. That way speedrunners can still hold records, but in specific versions. But honestly, putting a wall over like that was so uninspiring.
I like how this one guy in chat said: just jump lmao and the shortcutter was like: bet
Ludwig reacts to wirtual, let's go love wirtual so much
Here after watching Wirtual whoop Ludwig's ass while driving backwards.
What video
@@Itzcldz just search "Wirtual vs Ludwig"
This is the second wirtual video I’ve seen where he builds up the history of a record just to let you know how cool his most recent record is😂😂😂love him tho
I can't wait for this collab
First time seeing Ludwig's chat.
Wow, its like YT Live Chat.
Normies WutFace
About 16:10, he got 33 hrs time saved bc it's over the *intended* way rather than an update on the shortcut.
Even though this is a little late: The timesave is the time saved compared to the intended way of playing the map, not compared to the fastest time.
15:44 "So this is what unemployed ppl do"
I like how Wirtual talks about FWO as if he didn’t dedicate a lot of his time to getting into the group (he eventually did)
its funny that i dont even play trackmania (i played turbo in 2015-2016, wasnt good at it) but wirtuals videos are so entertaining
i love how the chat is so hyped over a simple turtle
Clicked this video to go to the original, thanks for the recommendation Ludick
if the time backwards shortcuts faster than its still a massive time save because its off the intended way not the previous fastsest
Easy way to fix the first short cut, put a checkpoint in the middle, the ultimate troll.
WOOHOO WIRTUAL
LETS GOO
Pretty impressive wheb he said "I'm getting flashes from Jon Ludwig Hammer". Then goes on and mixes up the countries...
16:16 yes but he said in the beginning of the video they base it off of the amount of time seemed by doing it the initial intended way in since virtual's one hour time wasn't the intended way it doesn't count
And then hefest got this run TURURURRUU
Only an American could say that Norway and the Netherlands are close
HOLY Ludwig aged like 10 years since this stream
It's funny how Wirtual rips on Swedes when driving, but Jozo is one of his Patreons.
I feel like Ludwig doesn't know what's happening through the entire video
That's the point of patching a track, to push the boundaries.
Bro he thought the 30 hour time save didn’t count after the first time💀 when wirtual said in the video the biggest time over the INTENDED way
7:08 what a misnomer
lol
I love Wirt.
9:30 I think this song is made by the same person who made we're finally landing (HOME)
The reason it's a 30 and a half hour time save instead of half an hour time save is because you can only hold one position on the leaderboard, and the person behind Wirtual had a record 30 and a half hours longer
Watching a video of some watching a video I already watched 😂
How does he only have 5 patrons his content is so good
Just found out abt trackmania a weekend ago and then found out you two where friends today Pog
Uh Lud, to answer your question, no, it wouldn’t shorten the record of most time saved on a shortcut. If you were referring to most time saved on a record, then yes, but the shortcut still saved more time going backward than forward over the course of the whole track, even though the record was only improved by a half hour.
“Get a hobby” bro this is his hobby 💀
the vooice is Wirtual let's gooooo
Wirtual got me to buy a PC. First game I bought was Trackmania but my catalogue has now expanded. But I do love Trackmania and still my most played game.
The guy that made the 16 hour track actually just hates people having fun
ludwig needs to see medicine's recent wr's lol
16:05 no the shortcut time save is the difference between the time it takes to beat the track the intended vs how much time it took you to beat the track with the shortcut not the previous world record
I'm not a gamer, but this was pretty sick!
@Ludwig Reacts, I dare you to set ANY challenge in trackmania against @Wirtual. Any challenge.
Wow, Wirtual getting to mainstream media. Goddamn, so deserved!
LMAO you steal clips from the stream and you put ads on it
the audacity
Mad bc bad
Yeah its pretty shitty
What do you think lud is doing on stream
@@LimabeanStudios reacting to something, even a little, is a form of transforming content. To just upload a section of the stream with the intention of making money off of it doesnt sit right to me. Ludwig do not react to the thing thinking "boy oh boy I'm gonna make a shot load of money reacting to this" but the one who reupload it and check "the suitable for advertising" clearly considering money as a factor.
@@shame3344Ludwig and wirtual are friends
Ooh no ...ohh noo..
Okay ...
Depression to not giving a F in 0.000001
ah yes another Ludwig reacts
FUCKEN 2 WORLDS COLLIDE MY MAN
The only time he doesn't goes full france lol
Me who came here from literally watching that exact video
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind these mini docs being done by people. That being said it is nice that Wirtual is a great trackmania player. It just kind of adds something when some of the narrator's of the other docs may not have the experience.
shortcut is vs intended
I started replaying this game on my Linux computer, now I'm going oh sh-t... :-)
I can't be the only one who dislikes when people basically reupload a 15 minute video as a "reaction" video
Yeah, there really wasn't much added by the comments. I guess he's exposing his audience a great content creator, so that's cool.
It's called a mogul move
Not sure what I'm supposed to think about the "This track is possible" guy, but I think he tried to push people to find other ways. I don't think he was butthurt about people finding other cuts
cant you just wall ride like in gta 5
11:10 my words man ! I hate the creator
I literally watched that video yesterday
like how he mentioned jon ludwig hammer who is also norwegian, but guessed the netherlands
wait hol'up, you say the netherlands and go "close", thats about the same amount of close as saying mexico when its canada
wirtual is german
im surprised ludwig didnt say boring and closed the page lol
I feel bad for players who played the game for hours just to find shortcuts but then they are just gonna patch it.
Do the one on Turbulence lol
Fuckkk yeah lets make this great again
Wirtual is the man
this is hilarious
"I wanna say Netherlands"
"Oh it's Norway"
"So close"
American's... Wow...
Ludwin wouldn’t have - wait nvm
couldnt you do the trick for beating the spiral on that map that kept getting updated?
It took me 2 hours to finish this video
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IIRC they go off author medal time
Wirtual makes great content... I dont even play the game and think his videos are great. Hope he does some docs
15:52 shortcut means compared to the intended way
i miss the old ludwig
At the beginning lud sounds like an scamer fortun teller
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