I've been told by a Swiss friend that the bayonet lug was often added to "pure sporting" rifles to pass them for military and take advantage of subsidies for the weapon itself and the cost of ammo.
Events where "service rifles" were used in shooting competitions would not only be subsidised by the government but also counted towards the required shooting practice for the men and allowed them to use their free military issued ammunition and powder. Meaning by adding that lug you could turn your local _Schützenfest_ into a state sponsored party that absolved the participants of more military training.
I like how the sole military giveaway is a bayonet lug; everything else is first and foremost civilian. This is such a fine thing about historical "hunters" units.
At least that one has a full stock. There are many cantonal military stutzer of the era that are semi stocked and really don't look martial in any way - yet they have a bayonet lug too.
I think it would be interesting to see a head to head, which would be more accurate at the same distances, the Swiss M1842 or the Whitworth given that they both look like they started off almost like a competition rifle and ended up in military service.
That would be a bad comparison in my opinon. You should take a 1851 Feldstutzer or a 1856 Jaeger rifle if you want to compare it to a Withworth rifle. The 1842 is of an older generation of rifles. It's too large in bore size and made for patched round balls only. It's a pre minié rifle in every aspect and should better be compared to a brunswick rifle or the early french rifles "a tiege" (thouvenin and sorts) instead ( - or maybe a Jacob's rifle if you like). Of course, it looks very much like a sporting rifle, but that's due to the swiss militia system which combined widespread target shooting competition for civilians with their militia military organisation. That's why practically every Swiss military firearm is basically overengineered for military use and with an emphasis on precision that usually won't be needed on the battlefield - yet, the best military firearm one can wish for if your "battleground" is a medium to far distance shooting range 😀
This was one of the MOST interesting and informative video recordings of your amazing channel. I love to watch everything you put up on UA-cam and it is a serious shame that their rulings about historical arms and tactics that the likes of you and others struggle to make aren’t appreciated by the Powers that Be there!! It is SAD… Keep up the great work through this and other outlets that you provide to your channels. You would be otherwise very sadly and surely missed! Terrific!! Kind Regards, Steve.
I'm a long time subscriber, i like your history lessons and the accuracy test , i am a cap and ball shooter in competition,have you ever been to the Friendship Indiana, Nationals in June and again in September they say its the largest in the usa maybe world, you would love it, Thanks for sharing, God bless
Fun fact, officially only a total of 96 people died and 510 men were counted as injured in the whole _Sonderbundskrieg_ with the bloodiest of the seven battles being Gisikon where 46 of them fell.
What a beautiful weapon, how do you manage to find such good quality and accurate rifles. I just got a 1886 Winchester in 40-82 which unfortunately has an over worn bore.
I am a lover of history, as well as of firearms. Old and new. I thoroughly enjoy your channel as well as many others. Have you thought about expanding your channel over to much less restrictive platforms such as Rumble? I view many other videos on that platform as well. It is more of a "free speach" platform and doesn't have the restrictive "nanny" to make your content go away. Just a possible way to get your channel to be seen by more lovers of history and fireams.
I think none of the platforms are able to replace UA-cam today. The future method is probably to post shorter videos here, and publish full versions on Patreon and HOW.
Yes, they absolutely could. In fact, early sniping scopes of the mid 1800s were essentially just long, non-collapsible spyglasses with a targeting reticle. You can look at cap and ball rifles like the Whitworth rifle for examples of these early spyglass-like scopes.
@@pirategamer3243they are very different from Spy glasses. They were made from a single piece of metal, which provides rigidity unlike a spyglass. The mount is drilled and tapped into the receiver or part of the barrel for rigidity and retaining zero after a shot, which an AD hoc mount with a spyglass wouldn't be able to. But most importantly they had ways to adjust the scope for elevation and even windage. The Davidson scope that was put on Whitworth rifle had pretty much all the features of modern rifle scopes, with even parallax adjustment. If you just fixed a Spyglass into a telescope, you would have no way of adjusting your point of aim for it to correlate with your point of impact. Also eye relief is very short on a spyglass so have fun with scope bites. Back then was no different from today in terms of rifle scopes, that is they were especially made. I don't know why did you think it was possible but that type of "solution" for magnification is absolutely not a good one.
To find the owner of Swiss and Swedish rifles, look under the butt plate for a piece of paper with his name on it. Good shooters are attached to their own rifle.
Gorgeous rifle. As nice as my first musket my Dad made for me is, shooting what you have there would almost feel like cheating, hahaha... I'm kidding, of course. But it is a gorgeous bit of kit. I have to imagine it would be quite a bit of fun using that at one of the 500+ yard ranges here.
8:06 26 dead and 114 wounded on the seperatist catholic side 60 dead und 386 wounded on the confederate side Not including the dead of the valiant Freischarenzüge preluding it.
I've been told by a Swiss friend that the bayonet lug was often added to "pure sporting" rifles to pass them for military and take advantage of subsidies for the weapon itself and the cost of ammo.
Events where "service rifles" were used in shooting competitions would not only be subsidised by the government but also counted towards the required shooting practice for the men and allowed them to use their free military issued ammunition and powder. Meaning by adding that lug you could turn your local _Schützenfest_ into a state sponsored party that absolved the participants of more military training.
What a coincidence, I have just filmed a vid on the 1851 which covers the transition from the 1842 Stutzer 😅
Can't wait to see it, Chap.
@@thebotrchap we've got something in common. Next will be the Jäger model. 🙂
@@capandball Lucky man! My vid will feature it and the 1863 briefly but I only have pictures from books 😞
@@thebotrchap Never mind the rifle - at least you can buy a pair of landjaegers in your local Migros! 😋
I like how the sole military giveaway is a bayonet lug; everything else is first and foremost civilian. This is such a fine thing about historical "hunters" units.
At least that one has a full stock. There are many cantonal military stutzer of the era that are semi stocked and really don't look martial in any way - yet they have a bayonet lug too.
I would highly recommend the History of Weapons and War platform as a way to support Cap & Ball and a great selection of other notable guntubers.
That rifle is truly a beautiful piece of art. Great video.
C'est toujours un plaisir de suivre tes vidéo, malgré la barrière de la langue.
That rifle is such a work or art. Beautiful!
Been watching your channel for a while and I enjoy watching your channel and its well worth watching you always have interesting content
Great history lesson and a very
beautiful rifle.
Always an entertaining and educational video, thank you...
I enjoy your content it is always interesting and educational! Thank you Sir!!
Great content! Keep up the good work. Ps love your accent.
Once again, thanks for the great content you create!
Great video
Wonderful weapon!
Loved the video thanks!
I love the history that you bring alive
Accurate and beautiful. Thank you for bringing it to us.
I think it would be interesting to see a head to head, which would be more accurate at the same distances, the Swiss M1842 or the Whitworth given that they both look like they started off almost like a competition rifle and ended up in military service.
That would be a bad comparison in my opinon. You should take a 1851 Feldstutzer or a 1856 Jaeger rifle if you want to compare it to a Withworth rifle. The 1842 is of an older generation of rifles. It's too large in bore size and made for patched round balls only. It's a pre minié rifle in every aspect and should better be compared to a brunswick rifle or the early french rifles "a tiege" (thouvenin and sorts) instead ( - or maybe a Jacob's rifle if you like). Of course, it looks very much like a sporting rifle, but that's due to the swiss militia system which combined widespread target shooting competition for civilians with their militia military organisation. That's why practically every Swiss military firearm is basically overengineered for military use and with an emphasis on precision that usually won't be needed on the battlefield - yet, the best military firearm one can wish for if your "battleground" is a medium to far distance shooting range 😀
This was one of the MOST interesting and informative video recordings of your amazing channel. I love to watch everything you put up on UA-cam and it is a serious shame that their rulings about historical arms and tactics that the likes of you and others struggle to make aren’t appreciated by the Powers that Be there!! It is SAD…
Keep up the great work through this and other outlets that you provide to your channels. You would be otherwise very sadly and surely missed!
Terrific!!
Kind Regards,
Steve.
Zaljubio sam se u to oružje na crni barut i baš danas sam kupio repliku puške kalibar 50tica
I'm a long time subscriber, i like your history lessons and the accuracy test , i am a cap and ball shooter in competition,have you ever been to the Friendship Indiana, Nationals in June and again in September they say its the largest in the usa maybe world, you would love it, Thanks for sharing, God bless
I have complained to UA-cam and threatened to cancel my Premium subscription unless they rethink their policy towards channels like yours.
Very good and serious rifle. I like it
Your offhand group differs little from the bench group, and is almost at the same point of impact. You're a pretty good shot!.
UNDER 20 MINUTES
Thank you!
Another gun that proves the naysayers wrong who say a patched roundball rifle can't be accurate.
Fun fact, officially only a total of 96 people died and 510 men were counted as injured in the whole _Sonderbundskrieg_ with the bloodiest of the seven battles being Gisikon where 46 of them fell.
Wow I want this right now
Guessing thetube chewed on the title a bit - trigger words and all that nonsense. But, nice rifle and a bit of history I had no idea happened. 👍🏼
I see an accused lack of Fabien, Mike and Dale...😊
very interesting video
Great vid a question as a rifled musket is it possible to shoot a minuet (Minnie) type bullet
Yes you could. However, the question would be to what degree of accuracy
Thanks!
Thank you very much for your support!
Wow nice brother❤
Merci
What a beautiful weapon, how do you manage to find such good quality and accurate rifles. I just got a 1886 Winchester in 40-82 which unfortunately has an over worn bore.
I am a lover of history, as well as of firearms. Old and new. I thoroughly enjoy your channel as well as many others. Have you thought about expanding your channel over to much less restrictive platforms such as Rumble? I view many other videos on that platform as well. It is more of a "free speach" platform and doesn't have the restrictive "nanny" to make your content go away. Just a possible way to get your channel to be seen by more lovers of history and fireams.
I think none of the platforms are able to replace UA-cam today. The future method is probably to post shorter videos here, and publish full versions on Patreon and HOW.
Awesome!
I have an unusual question, could spyglasses be used as improvised sniping scopes?
Yes, they absolutely could. In fact, early sniping scopes of the mid 1800s were essentially just long, non-collapsible spyglasses with a targeting reticle. You can look at cap and ball rifles like the Whitworth rifle for examples of these early spyglass-like scopes.
@@pirategamer3243
Oh, right! I had forgotten about the whitworth. Thanks. ☺️
Bloke on the range made a video on the subject.
Short anwser : they are not adequate at all.
@@pirategamer3243they are very different from Spy glasses.
They were made from a single piece of metal, which provides rigidity unlike a spyglass. The mount is drilled and tapped into the receiver or part of the barrel for rigidity and retaining zero after a shot, which an AD hoc mount with a spyglass wouldn't be able to.
But most importantly they had ways to adjust the scope for elevation and even windage. The Davidson scope that was put on Whitworth rifle had pretty much all the features of modern rifle scopes, with even parallax adjustment. If you just fixed a Spyglass into a telescope, you would have no way of adjusting your point of aim for it to correlate with your point of impact. Also eye relief is very short on a spyglass so have fun with scope bites.
Back then was no different from today in terms of rifle scopes, that is they were especially made.
I don't know why did you think it was possible but that type of "solution" for magnification is absolutely not a good one.
To find the owner of Swiss and Swedish rifles, look under the butt plate for a piece of paper with his name on it. Good shooters are attached to their own rifle.
Swiss always seem to have good stuff, why is that Dad? The booty son, they protect the booty.
Nice
Gorgeous rifle. As nice as my first musket my Dad made for me is, shooting what you have there would almost feel like cheating, hahaha... I'm kidding, of course. But it is a gorgeous bit of kit. I have to imagine it would be quite a bit of fun using that at one of the 500+ yard ranges here.
A youtube nagyon undorító amit csinál a hozzátok hasonló oktató csatornákkal, kitartás!
8:06
26 dead and 114 wounded on the seperatist catholic side
60 dead und 386 wounded on the confederate side
Not including the dead of the valiant Freischarenzüge preluding it.