Atman (Self) and Jivatman (Soul)
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Atman+ Maya= Jivatman
Jivatman - the moviestar on the screen. Not more, however compelling it may be at times. The soul - the jivatman awakens in the movie and is lucid. Thanks.
Thank you for this great explanation!
Beautiful..simply marvelous explanation..
Namaste. Very nice explanation... OM Tat Sat, AUM
Well explained sir
I guess in Neoplatonic terms..Atman =World Soul and Jivatman is the individual soul or psuche.
Yeah
Crazy !!
Trying to understand. An individual could understand Atman and the outer world as a part of themselves but jivatman identifies more with the individual body itself?
Thank you for sharing this.
is it like Atman gets identified with Jiva? can Avidya be experienced by Atman? or is it only a distortion due to the Jivatman level of consciousness ?
Atman is free from every thing but the Jivatman means when Atman and nature comes to picture, it forgets the real being, due to illusions or Maya. I m giving you an example like most of the time you think your self as a body, mind complex, but who that is realising that you're body mind complex. When you reach a no mind state by yoga, u can easily observe that your thoughts and bodily egoes are floating infront of your awareness, but the moment bring yourself down from that state you became body mind complex. It's strange but true. You can do it for you.
As a Buddhist, I see this. However, the god questions seems to me to be an unnecessary addition. Whereas god may exist, his non interference in the “tiddler” seems to suggest to me that it is unimportant to contemplate something so huge, unimaginable and pre existent. As the Buddha says, it is a non question. It is a waste of time to contemplate that which is not able to be contemplated. It is enough that we subsist in this creation and the way that it is “being”. Surely it is more important to concentrate on samadhi and liberation from your hindrances?
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Adam eve fallen story similar with this philosophy
Respectfully,
Aatma is indestructible but jivaatma reincarnates, as lord krishna says.
On the face of it one will say Jivatma is unit of aatma but since Aatma is indestructible then so is Jivatma, how come it migrates when Aatma permeates entire universe!
Can it be said that Jivaatma & Subtle body are synonymous!
If we assume that then the riddle is solved as reincarnation involves migration of subtle body to new life. Subtle body contains essence of my karma, is Jivatma a vehicle for transportation of Subtle body !! but if we say Jivaatma is simply appearance or jivaatma as independent unit of Atma then confusion continues! As Jivatma cannot be containing my karma, but Aatma is just enabler of life and doesn’t actively participate in life processes.
Can lord krishna be referring to just appearance or something real 🙏🙏
Looks like the title here needs to be changed. I would recommend this:
*Atman (Spirit) and Jivatman (Soul)*
Whoever came up with Atman (Self) does not seem to have followed the message presented here.
is the panchakosha a consequence of jiva , or is it the other way around ? Is Maya the consequence of leela? What is the cause of Panchakoshas?
It's no puzzle to me, because the atma is an individual, whether mixed with the mind and body or not. And Paramatma is never one and the same with the atma. The Paramatama is 'vibhu' meaning it is the knower in all fields (all minds and bodies) the atma is 'anu' (atomic, infinitesimal) and knows only it's own mind and body (not everyone is an Advaitin, and as you can tell, Im not.
And then whats difference between Jivatman and body ?
Jivatman resides in the body or the sense of self derived from identifying as the body.
I'm I wrong when I think the Ahamkara is the ego? or is the Jivatman the ego? or I'm I lost in semantics?
Jivatma is not the ego or ahamkara, but it became one when it is caught in the body.
Watch Swami Sarvapriyananda lectures you could get clarity.
It is still confusing..(1) jiva is moving from one body to another it is not dead so why that person is dead. (2) If it is nothing to do with dead than why it is moving from one body to another. (3) There are creaas through which the soul or jiva can be brought than why people dont use that to bring it back. (4) If u see the ration of birth and death counting at world level Why the no of death is less than the birth. it should be equal.
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I hope my answering to this question will help me also to clear my intellect...
Jivatma and paramatma is difficult to grasp insted go for this
OUR BRAIN HAVE THESE FUNCTIONS
We have CHITTHA- store house of impression
Ahamkara- The colorfulness given to some thought or emotions rising from
chitta as "feeling as this is related to me, I have to sort it out etc"
Buddhi- The decider, which when active we will have minimum klesha (problems)
Manas- That listens to 10 senses and ask and carve due to old impressions in CHITTA. If buddhi is clouded with avidya or ignorance about the real nature of paramathama it will repeate patterns stored in CHITTA which is the very life
This are four components which is lighted by paramatma in humans
This are energy stored (Thoughts have frequency and have energy)
ONLY CHITTHA PART MOVE FROM ONE BODY TO ANOTHER TILL
CHITTHA IS PURIFIED
PARAMATHMA is the torch that lights everything
REMEMBER we always sees things that block light, no one can see real light.
now in you case.... as example
"your manas is questioning due to impression of seeing and listening stored in CHITTHA to this video , ahamkara of a seeker is giving colour to that thought.
Buddhi is clouded and so a question is deliverd by manas to satisfy your senses and ahamkara .
Buddhi must know I am not the supreme, it must accept there is something beyond me.... who witnesse me also that is the paramathma"
"Buddhi is the witness
paramathma is the witness of the witness"
STHAKTHI MOVES AND DANCES OVER SHIVA
BUT SHIVA IS ALOOF AND LATENT FOR EVER
IT IS SHAKTHI THAT MOVES SHIVA IS STILL AS EVER
LIFE AND BIRTH IS FOR SHAKTHI NOT FOR SHIVA
CHITT ANANDA RUPA SIVOHAM SHIVOHAM ...............
When jivatman is a part of atman how can it die
It should be jivatman and paramatman.
From Hindu texts--Thonriya porulumahi ! Ie.Every thing is the manifestation of God but looks separated through name and form which is not real. Just like waves of the ocean. What is real is water. Name and form gives it the identity which is not real. When the waves subsidise lt become one with the ocean. Waves can't exist in its own but it will take hundreds of births to become one with the ocean. It is our karma which makes the difference. Once we free ourselves from this karmic web we become one with the God..This is just a smile to understand the Hindu philosophy. Just don't ask how waves take several births!
The waves don’t. The ocean takes birth in a wave
Then now I am confused between Atman and Brahman
They are identical
Both are same..Atman is jus like a reflection of Brahman...
Or u can say ...the Brahman looks like Atman.. because of illusion (Maya)..
aham Brahmasmi
Om Shivoham
@@biswanathmahapatra8441 atman is like drop from ocean
Ocean is brahman
@@brookylnkai9827 then what is jiv atman
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jeeeheehehee. Jiva got caught trippin'
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Using the word Caught up, mean to say that the Atman under it's own Maya which could causes one to forget it real self, can be realised by yogis in a no mind state. Atman under it's Maya, Easily got distracted by the diversity of the same manifestation of itself.in this context manifestaion Means those which you can sense through your Sense organs even your thoughts, could easily distract you from your reality. That you are not different than that supreme being. 'Kingdom of heaven within men.'
Where is atma?
Tsshi Sonam atman the universal soul is everywhere. All that is, is atman. For eg. everything in creation from pebble to human are like individual waves and atman is the ocean. The individual waves might appear to be separate from the rest of the ocean but in reality all the waves and everything are the ocean. There is nothing but the ocean. Similarly in creation, everything looks separate but the deeper reality is that everything is the one atman. Meditate and you will know it for yourself.
@@tashilhamu4510 do not confuse universe with Atman, I hope you don't, because Atman changeless, but the universe is changing that is there is diversity in its manifestation , but which is the Brahman maniest itself using its own Maya or Shakti(Nature).
This man is confusing has been self realised he is using different terminologies.