In the last decade or so, BYU has beaten Tennessee, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Mississippi State, and Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Wisconsin. I’m sure other Big 12 teams have had recent success against SEC and B1G teams. Just because the money isn’t quite the same m, doesn’t mean teams can’t rise to the occasion in a playoff.
@@Number4lead Agreed. I guess I could have thrown in most of the other Pack 12 teams BYU beat, but was only including the schools that are now in the B1G and SEC to show that these two conferences aren’t invincible. As long as there is a playoff with decent qualifying, there is a chance for a Natty by a Big 12 team.
BYU is 5-7 vs the SEC all-time. In recent years they've split games with Miss St. and Arkansas. If they were in the SEC that's where they would be: On the same level as programs like those two. There's no way they'd compete with Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc. on an annual basis. The SEC is 61-48 vs the Big Twelve all-time in head to head meetings.
SEC with five teams among the Top 10, including four of the top five spots. Entertaining and very good. The Alabama-Georgia game was an instant classic. I am not hating on the Big 12. I am lauding the best conference in D1 football, the SEC!
Oh sure the BIG10 and SEC are SOOO amazing. Alabama was in a dog fight with South Florida, Georgia should've lost to Kentucky, Oregon was pathetic against Idaho and Boise St, Penn State struggled against Bowling Green lol, Missouri escaped against VANDERBILT...that's right. But yes lets just overlook all of those things and act like these teams are unbeatable. If those teams had lost those games, we'd be having a very different conversation. So congrats on being SOOO much better than everyone
Let's quit apologizing for the flawed teams in the big 12. The ultimate value of football is entertainment. Is there another conference more entertaining? There are so many fanbases with hope in this conference. Let's embrace our strengths and flaws and realize how fortunate we are to root for these athletes, win or lose.
Actually, the ultimate value is winning games. As Herman Edwards said many years ago, “We play the game to win.” I have not heard any football coach say, we play the game to be entertaining.
@@sarahmccoy1941 I could not disagree more. The ultimate value is entertainment. Winning means nothing if people are not entertained. Ultimately people like to see their team win, but if you have a conference where one team wins every title, the value to the fans of the other team may be diminished. I feel like a conference where every fan base is invested provides the greatest value. This means every fan base sees their share of winning and losing.
@@birwinz like the big 12 when Oklahoma owned us or the ACC when Clemson was on their run or the B1G before Michigan finally showed up and it was all Ohio State. Really we can't talk to much shit about the sec because while bama was the most prevalent you still saw Georgia, LSU, and Auburn win the conference since 2010 and even Missouri played in two conference championships but the other 4 actually won national championships. It's really what brought the PAC 12 down because they had no dominant team
What is wrong with being in a conference where the teams can beat each other. That makes for an exciting regular season. Why would we want to belong to a conference, where there are only a few superior teams. They have the exciting week where Georgia and Alabama play each other, but the rest of the season they are beating the heck out of the lower teams. Plus team like Alabama were paying their players way before NIL came along. I will stick with our boring big 12. And every once in a while, we will surprise the two big conferences.
In 2008, Alabama was 12-0 at the end of the regular season, and looking forward to playing for a national title. Then they lost the SEC title game, and were livid when they were forced to meet the "unworthy" 13-0 Mountain West Conference champion Utah Utes in the Sugar Bowl. Utah handed Alabama their own ass in the Bowl, and finished 2nd in the final AP poll; Bama finished 6th. And some of you clowns on here say nobody in the Big 12 can beat the best of the SEC and Big 10? It doesn't happen a lot, but it will happen again.
I don't recall ever seeing a program get more mileage out of one win than Utah still gets for a game played almost 16 years ago. No one ever said that Utah was unworthy going into that Sugar Bowl game. Stop being so defensive that you have to make things up. I can also recall two years ago where Utah, the eventual Pac-Twelve champion, lost to a Florida team that went just 3-5 in SEC play. It works both ways.
@BrianA2906 you just countered your own argument...Alabama was a no show for YOUR very reason. Fraud win for utes. And let's not forget they beat a 6 loss Pitt team to win Fiesta
No haters. Without OU and Texas, crowd sizes have plummeted and continue to double down. Downward. We'll see what how Big12's TV ratings do in another few games, and then in their bowl viewership AND attendance. That will be a great scale to measure the vast success that the Big12 can promise. Not deliver - but promise.
Georgia-Alabama's an ILLUSION. They ain't the SEC. They are a two-headed monopoly on all the best HS recruits year-in & year-out. The Big 12 has something the SEC might not ever have again: COMPETITIVE PARITY. As a BYU fan, I naturally love the Big 12. But I also love the Big 12 as a college sports fan. If I want to watch world-class athletes play FB, I'd prefer to catch the Saints or 49ers on any given Sunday -- rather than wait all year long for the NFL-lite version the two SEC juggernauts offer us. Like I said, that AIN'T the SEC. It's their annual freak show. It was GREAT while it lasted. But now it's over. Personally, I think the KState-Colorado showdown in 2 weeks will be every bit as entertaining.
Utah is a vulnerable Glass Tiger largely accoladed from past teams/seasons. Cam "Sinking" himself is made of glass(profound fragility). Arizona has shown the blueprint for beating them.
Ludwig is terrible. He does not know how to adjust or mix things up. Why did they go away from the run? Why do the always go up the middle instead of sending our speedster around the edge once in a while? Ludwig is stale and predictable. He squandered a good oprtunity to score before the half running a 2 minute offense, which he seem to not know how to do.
I'm not so confident. A lot of this is on Ludwig. Ludwig is terrible. He does not know how to adjust or mix things up. Why did they go away from the run? Why do the always go up the middle instead of sending our speedster around the edge once in a while? Ludwig is stale and predictable. He squandered a good opportunity to score before the half if he used a 2 minute offense, which he seem to not know how to do.
There is irony in the fact that you and Pete Mundo BOTH wore KC Chiefs T-shirts for your most recent podcasts. I do give you credit John for acknowledging your luv for your KSt Wildcats. Now back to the show…
There's good reason for it with the awful officiating the Utah Utes have had so far in the league. So many flags have been thrown that were later announced as 'there was no penalty' on the play it's almost amateurish. Plus, the Big-12 referee Tuta Salaam didn't even look at the play where Baylor DL Treven Ma'ae threw Cam Rising into the Gatorade table after they were out of bounds!
Why is anyone surprised? Good ole kyle, as a coach he has guaranteed ute fans 3-7 losses per year for the last fifteen years! 15!!! Last 5 bowl games with 0 wins. Utes should be in the mtn west with that record.
It’s a total joke BYU not in the polls. College football was perfect during the BCS era. Total backslide in legitimacy in favor of marketing and advertisements.
I mean Clemson looks like an absolute threat to win the ACC and if SMU beats Louisville this week they're suddenly a favorite to make the acc championship game and we know they can't keep up with Georgia so the ACC is the same just Miami hasn't lost yet. The B1G is the same but they have Ohio State. The sec really is dominant this year with 4 teams that could win any other conference.
It was coach Whittingham who chose to start the freshman QB, Wilson. Cam has been cleared to play for the last two games. It's obvious that coach Whitt has a new shiny toy in Isaac Wilson. So much so, that he's actually obsessed with his new toy and selected him twice in games that Rising should have started. Rising might be at 95%, but his 95% is still better than Wilson's 100%. In the two seasons that Rising has started, he's won two conference championships. Rising is a winner. This is his last year. It's shameful to see coach Whitt not select him. You could see the frustration on Cam's face at the beginning of the game with AZ, that he wasn't selected to start. I blame coach Whittingham for that loss. He needs to just retire already and let coach Scally take over. There's no reason that we should have lost that game, and Rising of all people knows it.
Also a lot of this is on Ludwig. Ludwig is terrible. He does not know how to adjust or mix things up. And why did he go away from the big thing that was working, the run? Why do the always go up the middle instead of sending our speedster around the edge once in a while? Ludwig is stale and predictable. He squandered a good opportunity to score before the half if he used a 2 minute offense, which he seem to not know how to do.
The reason the big 12 gets crap is because they get the bye people complain about this in baseball as well. This is like when the Seahawks went 7 and 9 and got a bye cuz they won theor division. That team did win a playoff game tho
Not going to lie, with Big Fox Noon featuring the Colorado vs UCF and Travis Hunter striking the Heisman pose in the end zone, I find this 'hater' topic kind of weird.
Because B12 TV contract generates on avg $35M per team while the B1G and SEC get $60M. Fox threw CU and UCF some table scraps. We’ll take it. But the self-reinforcing bias for 30 teams is at the detriment of the underfunded 100.
I would love to see Penn a state try to run a year in the Big XII. They've skated along beating the bottom of the Big 10 and not being able to compete with the two best teams in their conference.
They would be but they also struggled with bgsu so are they actually that good? Not so sure they would win the big 12 but they would have a really good shot
@itsmeevan027 no big 12 teams come within 2 scores of ohio state. The level is so far off its not even close. Penn state beats everyone but the top 5 teams in the country. There are no top 5 teams in the big 12. Penn state would be over a 7 point favorite vs every team in the big 12
@@cameronkurtz7985 I mean I would take Penn State over anyone in the big 12 but not by so much that I don't think someone could pull the upset especially in a one off game like the playoffs. Hell we saw tcu do it two years ago to a team that embarrassed Penn State. Now this year does seem like a down year for the big 12 as a whole especially since Utah doesn't have cam rising but I can remember their rise bowl against Penn State a few years ago and they were dominating before he got hurt and Penn State came all the way back for the win. The problem with the big 12 isn't that no one is good because the best team in the big 12 even when it wasn't Oklahoma or Texas is always capable of beating teams in the top 10 it's that no one is good enough to compete with the real big dogs of CFB aka Georgia, bama, and Ohio State. Add in Texas this year as well as possibly Tennessee and you know no one from the big 12 or the ACC is winning a national championship.
Whats stupid is watching the same teams play the same opponents from the same conference over and over. It boring. I dont know how so many non SEC fans do it. Please break away and lose money SEC and Big10.
Don't be such a drama queen John! The B12 will be represented in the CFP but it will be difficult to get a 2nd team in, true. The B12 needs a couple of dominant teams, what they have instead are a bunch of middling teams. True, entertaining but it hurts the perception, which is correct by the way. When your biggest brand is a coach (Prime), not a team or two, it is difficult to get the benefit of a doubt like the SEC & BIG receive.
@@dcbchannel1619 Deion is gone after this year. He’s snake oil. Remember what I said come December or January….nobody with a functioning brain should trust this guy as his sons and Travis go. He will go too.
@@dcbchannel1619 I’m talking more about the future. UCF was supposed to be a dominant team they have work to do clearly. Colorado? Deion is gone after this season.
Wildcat fan. Not a single Utah fan would tell you we are a top tier team with our FRESHMAN back up quarterback playing. We are all pissed about rising not playing but give me a break about beating us when both years Rising hasn’t been playing. We’d smoke you if we had any QB production like we should
I think that the hate persists because the Big 12 is the only power conference without a playoff championship. That matters because you have teams from other conferences with better playoff records than the 1-6 Big 12.
True but the acc still only has Clemson that's won a playoff game and FSU guy killed by Oregon who got killed by Ohio State. There's really not that much of a difference between the ACC and the big 12
So what? The SEC poached the one regular contender (OU) and managed to get a Big 12 also-ran (Texas) at a time when the stars happened to align for them. That's not the Big 12's fault, and all the league can do is the best it can. The Big 12 doesn't have an Alabama or Georgia, but it is deeper than the other P4 leagues which means the league champion is going to have a loss or two. It is what it is, and Kurtz feeling defensive about it doesn't help anyone.
The Big 12 has to have schools step up and become capable of beating teams like Georgia in playoff games. I'm a huge Big 12 fan. But none of these coaches are doing that. It's not the programs aren't good enough. It's not the schools aren't brands. It's none of these coaches are good enough to beat Ryan Day or Kirby Smart. It's no time for the what you don't have anymore. Those days are done. You want to be relevant, be relevant. You have schools like Baylor holding on to a coach that won't ever get Baylor back to top 5. Gundy isn't serious. Whittinham isn't good enough. None of them. Having a playoff spot won't last too long if these schools don't stand on their own and become good enough to win. I don't think the conference is really getting it. Chaos is ok. But looking like crap isn't. If Big 12 schools aren't serious about being a big boy conference they need to be clear about that now. You cannot have coaches losing games looking like crap talking about everyone will lose a game so we're ok. The goal for the Big 12 is not to get a playoff spot. The goal of the Big 12 is to do something with their playoff spot besides show up. If that isn't the goal. The conference is done. Unless every AD and coach is fired and replaced by people who are serious about winning.
It galls me to say this as a BYU fan, but Whittingham and Utah beat Saban and Alabama in the Cotton Bowl in 2009 and finished undefeated. He's a great coach, but probably gonna retire soon. They would been been a serious contender with a healthy Rising. Now I need to go shower as I feel filthy for posting this.
Mike Gundy has lost his motivation and doesn't want to put in the effort to win. He defends terrible assistant coaches and no effort in recruiting. His teams are inconsistent and getting worse. Oh well, hoops is around the corner.
Eh Missouri and Penn State are in the top 10 and so is Michigan. Even Oregon looks suspect to me still and Miami clearly had the potential to be worse than Virginia tech on any given Saturday I'm sure they could lose a game to some big 12 teams. It's not best of 7 in CFB so it could happen. Now inside the top 5 I completely agree with you
@@quinton9514 well they will be playing a top 5 team which I agreed they can't beat without lucky. The 4 seed which is what the big 12 will most likely have will play the 5 seed unless they implode and lose to the go5 team in the first round. The top 5 is Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Tennessee, and Georgia, so yes the big 12 probably won't a game but who in the ACC do you think could beat one of those teams? The B1G is 1 team conference again like they were better harbaugh showed up at Michigan. The sec is just clearly the best and it's only worse now that they have Texas
YOU goʻt Texas Tech perched up near the top of the B12 RIGHT NOW!!!, Be honest John, how many of you pundits predicted that preseason? ACC has 4 higher rated teams at #8#14#15 and #22 and Colorado is being discussed as some kind of contender....Colorado? A team that couldn't buy a PAC12 win last year??? LMAO
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In the last decade or so, BYU has beaten Tennessee, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Mississippi State, and Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Wisconsin.
I’m sure other Big 12 teams have had recent success against SEC and B1G teams.
Just because the money isn’t quite the same m, doesn’t mean teams can’t rise to the occasion in a playoff.
Utah has beaten all the pac teams, Texas A&M, Michigan, Alabama. There's a lot of big wins in this conference.
Over the years, a lot have teams have beaten a lot of other teams.
@@Number4lead Agreed. I guess I could have thrown in most of the other Pack 12 teams BYU beat, but was only including the schools that are now in the B1G and SEC to show that these two conferences aren’t invincible. As long as there is a playoff with decent qualifying, there is a chance for a Natty by a Big 12 team.
BYU is 5-7 vs the SEC all-time. In recent years they've split games with Miss St. and Arkansas. If they were in the SEC that's where they would be: On the same level as programs like those two. There's no way they'd compete with Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc. on an annual basis.
The SEC is 61-48 vs the Big Twelve all-time in head to head meetings.
@@chuckwest7045 No one is talking about an annual basis. No team in the current Big 12 could do that. I’m talking about a special season.
SEC with five teams among the Top 10, including four of the top five spots.
Entertaining and very good.
The Alabama-Georgia game was an instant classic.
I am not hating on the Big 12. I am lauding the best conference in D1 football, the SEC!
Great job John. Really enjoyed you teaming up with Cody last week. It’s tough to be a Poke fan lately. All the best!
Oh sure the BIG10 and SEC are SOOO amazing. Alabama was in a dog fight with South Florida, Georgia should've lost to Kentucky, Oregon was pathetic against Idaho and Boise St, Penn State struggled against Bowling Green lol, Missouri escaped against VANDERBILT...that's right. But yes lets just overlook all of those things and act like these teams are unbeatable. If those teams had lost those games, we'd be having a very different conversation. So congrats on being SOOO much better than everyone
Strong odds that we won’t know who will be playing in the BIG12 Championship until the last week of the season…🤷🏻♂
A game made up of Utah BYU or KSU
Let's quit apologizing for the flawed teams in the big 12. The ultimate value of football is entertainment. Is there another conference more entertaining?
There are so many fanbases with hope in this conference. Let's embrace our strengths and flaws and realize how fortunate we are to root for these athletes, win or lose.
for an entertaining game, both teams need to show up
@@davidbradham3515your comment makes little sense. Blowout games are no more prevalent in the big 12 than any other conference.
Actually, the ultimate value is winning games.
As Herman Edwards said many years ago, “We play the game to win.”
I have not heard any football coach say, we play the game to be entertaining.
@@sarahmccoy1941 I could not disagree more. The ultimate value is entertainment. Winning means nothing if people are not entertained. Ultimately people like to see their team win, but if you have a conference where one team wins every title, the value to the fans of the other team may be diminished.
I feel like a conference where every fan base is invested provides the greatest value.
This means every fan base sees their share of winning and losing.
@@birwinz like the big 12 when Oklahoma owned us or the ACC when Clemson was on their run or the B1G before Michigan finally showed up and it was all Ohio State. Really we can't talk to much shit about the sec because while bama was the most prevalent you still saw Georgia, LSU, and Auburn win the conference since 2010 and even Missouri played in two conference championships but the other 4 actually won national championships. It's really what brought the PAC 12 down because they had no dominant team
What is wrong with being in a conference where the teams can beat each other. That makes for an exciting regular season. Why would we want to belong to a conference, where there are only a few superior teams. They have the exciting week where Georgia and Alabama play each other, but the rest of the season they are beating the heck out of the lower teams. Plus team like Alabama were paying their players way before NIL came along. I will stick with our boring big 12. And every once in a while, we will surprise the two big conferences.
Bro stop. Who in the current big 12 has a national title?
@@quinton9514 BYU.
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@@tmtSHDlol. 😂
@@quinton9514actually BYU, TCU & OkSt in football.
In 2008, Alabama was 12-0 at the end of the regular season, and looking forward to playing for a national title. Then they lost the SEC title game, and were livid when they were forced to meet the "unworthy" 13-0 Mountain West Conference champion Utah Utes in the Sugar Bowl. Utah handed Alabama their own ass in the Bowl, and finished 2nd in the final AP poll; Bama finished 6th.
And some of you clowns on here say nobody in the Big 12 can beat the best of the SEC and Big 10? It doesn't happen a lot, but it will happen again.
Shot two years ago TCU beat 13-0 B1G champions Michigan in the playoffs
I don't recall ever seeing a program get more mileage out of one win than Utah still gets for a game played almost 16 years ago. No one ever said that Utah was unworthy going into that Sugar Bowl game. Stop being so defensive that you have to make things up. I can also recall two years ago where Utah, the eventual Pac-Twelve champion, lost to a Florida team that went just 3-5 in SEC play.
It works both ways.
@BrianA2906 you just countered your own argument...Alabama was a no show for YOUR very reason. Fraud win for utes. And let's not forget they beat a 6 loss Pitt team to win Fiesta
"To quote the great prophet 50 Cents ....all you need is a little bit".... bars John....lol
Undefeated ISU vs undefeated BYU in B12 title game. Sure it’s likely not happening, but can still think about it for now…
Your guess is as good as any.
*Colorado
Considering their weeny schedules, undefeated would be spelled in small letters.
No haters. Without OU and Texas, crowd sizes have plummeted and continue to double down. Downward. We'll see what how Big12's TV ratings do in another few games, and then in their bowl viewership AND attendance. That will be a great scale to measure the vast success that the Big12 can promise. Not deliver - but promise.
Georgia-Alabama's an ILLUSION. They ain't the SEC. They are a two-headed monopoly on all the best HS recruits year-in & year-out.
The Big 12 has something the SEC might not ever have again: COMPETITIVE PARITY.
As a BYU fan, I naturally love the Big 12. But I also love the Big 12 as a college sports fan.
If I want to watch world-class athletes play FB, I'd prefer to catch the Saints or 49ers on any given Sunday -- rather than wait all year long for the NFL-lite version the two SEC juggernauts offer us.
Like I said, that AIN'T the SEC. It's their annual freak show. It was GREAT while it lasted.
But now it's over.
Personally, I think the KState-Colorado showdown in 2 weeks will be every bit as entertaining.
Whatever entertains you.
The former PAC 12 teams know the hate when you beat up on each other in conference. Nothing new to us. We feel at home with this rhetoric
Utah is a vulnerable Glass Tiger largely accoladed from past teams/seasons. Cam "Sinking" himself is made of glass(profound fragility). Arizona has shown the blueprint for beating them.
Ludwig is terrible. He does not know how to adjust or mix things up. Why did they go away from the run? Why do the always go up the middle instead of sending our speedster around the edge once in a while? Ludwig is stale and predictable. He squandered a good oprtunity to score before the half running a 2 minute offense, which he seem to not know how to do.
Utah will not lose this week
I'm not so confident. A lot of this is on Ludwig. Ludwig is terrible. He does not know how to adjust or mix things up. Why did they go away from the run? Why do the always go up the middle instead of sending our speedster around the edge once in a while? Ludwig is stale and predictable. He squandered a good opportunity to score before the half if he used a 2 minute offense, which he seem to not know how to do.
There is irony in the fact that you and Pete Mundo BOTH wore KC Chiefs T-shirts for your most recent podcasts. I do give you credit John for acknowledging your luv for your KSt Wildcats. Now back to the show…
There's good reason for it with the awful officiating the Utah Utes have had so far in the league. So many flags have been thrown that were later announced as 'there was no penalty' on the play it's almost amateurish. Plus, the Big-12 referee Tuta Salaam didn't even look at the play where Baylor DL Treven Ma'ae threw Cam Rising into the Gatorade table after they were out of bounds!
Hey the big 12 big mouth Sanders gives us some recognition.
Embrace it. Sko buffs
Why is anyone surprised? Good ole kyle, as a coach he has guaranteed ute fans 3-7 losses per year for the last fifteen years! 15!!! Last 5 bowl games with 0 wins. Utes should be in the mtn west with that record.
It’s a total joke BYU not in the polls. College football was perfect during the BCS era. Total backslide in legitimacy in favor of marketing and advertisements.
I mean Clemson looks like an absolute threat to win the ACC and if SMU beats Louisville this week they're suddenly a favorite to make the acc championship game and we know they can't keep up with Georgia so the ACC is the same just Miami hasn't lost yet. The B1G is the same but they have Ohio State. The sec really is dominant this year with 4 teams that could win any other conference.
It was coach Whittingham who chose to start the freshman QB, Wilson. Cam has been cleared to play for the last two games. It's obvious that coach Whitt has a new shiny toy in Isaac Wilson. So much so, that he's actually obsessed with his new toy and selected him twice in games that Rising should have started. Rising might be at 95%, but his 95% is still better than Wilson's 100%. In the two seasons that Rising has started, he's won two conference championships. Rising is a winner. This is his last year. It's shameful to see coach Whitt not select him. You could see the frustration on Cam's face at the beginning of the game with AZ, that he wasn't selected to start. I blame coach Whittingham for that loss. He needs to just retire already and let coach Scally take over. There's no reason that we should have lost that game, and Rising of all people knows it.
Also a lot of this is on Ludwig. Ludwig is terrible. He does not know how to adjust or mix things up. And why did he go away from the big thing that was working, the run? Why do the always go up the middle instead of sending our speedster around the edge once in a while? Ludwig is stale and predictable. He squandered a good opportunity to score before the half if he used a 2 minute offense, which he seem to not know how to do.
The reason the big 12 gets crap is because they get the bye people complain about this in baseball as well. This is like when the Seahawks went 7 and 9 and got a bye cuz they won theor division. That team did win a playoff game tho
Not going to lie, with Big Fox Noon featuring the Colorado vs UCF and Travis Hunter striking the Heisman pose in the end zone, I find this 'hater' topic kind of weird.
Because B12 TV contract generates on avg $35M per team while the B1G and SEC get $60M. Fox threw CU and UCF some table scraps. We’ll take it. But the self-reinforcing bias for 30 teams is at the detriment of the underfunded 100.
Penn state would be the big 12 favorite by a wide margin. Your gripe with them is silly. If they had a kicker they cover that illinois spread easily
I would love to see Penn a state try to run a year in the Big XII. They've skated along beating the bottom of the Big 10 and not being able to compete with the two best teams in their conference.
They would be but they also struggled with bgsu so are they actually that good? Not so sure they would win the big 12 but they would have a really good shot
@itsmeevan027 no big 12 teams come within 2 scores of ohio state. The level is so far off its not even close. Penn state beats everyone but the top 5 teams in the country. There are no top 5 teams in the big 12. Penn state would be over a 7 point favorite vs every team in the big 12
@@cameronkurtz7985 I mean I would take Penn State over anyone in the big 12 but not by so much that I don't think someone could pull the upset especially in a one off game like the playoffs. Hell we saw tcu do it two years ago to a team that embarrassed Penn State. Now this year does seem like a down year for the big 12 as a whole especially since Utah doesn't have cam rising but I can remember their rise bowl against Penn State a few years ago and they were dominating before he got hurt and Penn State came all the way back for the win. The problem with the big 12 isn't that no one is good because the best team in the big 12 even when it wasn't Oklahoma or Texas is always capable of beating teams in the top 10 it's that no one is good enough to compete with the real big dogs of CFB aka Georgia, bama, and Ohio State. Add in Texas this year as well as possibly Tennessee and you know no one from the big 12 or the ACC is winning a national championship.
Pedo state is done.
Whats stupid is watching the same teams play the same opponents from the same conference over and over. It boring. I dont know how so many non SEC fans do it. Please break away and lose money SEC and Big10.
Don't be such a drama queen John! The B12 will be represented in the CFP but it will be difficult to get a 2nd team in, true. The B12 needs a couple of dominant teams, what they have instead are a bunch of middling teams. True, entertaining but it hurts the perception, which is correct by the way. When your biggest brand is a coach (Prime), not a team or two, it is difficult to get the benefit of a doubt like the SEC & BIG receive.
The B12 will still get a bye in the playoff and they'll still have the chance to beat a super2 team in the playoff. Not over for the conference
UCF performance v Colorado wasn’t a good look. They are suppose to be the future of CFB.
LMFAO
that’s what they were billing themselves as…🤷🏼♂️
It was a good look for Colorado. Statement made. 💛⛰️🦬🏈
@@dcbchannel1619 Deion is gone after this year. He’s snake oil. Remember what I said come December or January….nobody with a functioning brain should trust this guy as his sons and Travis go. He will go too.
@@dcbchannel1619 I’m talking more about the future. UCF was supposed to be a dominant team they have work to do clearly.
Colorado? Deion is gone after this season.
Utah fan...you're smug. The mighty fall when they least expect it. David beat the giant, again
Wildcat fan. Not a single Utah fan would tell you we are a top tier team with our FRESHMAN back up quarterback playing. We are all pissed about rising not playing but give me a break about beating us when both years Rising hasn’t been playing. We’d smoke you if we had any QB production like we should
@@Rsadidit Ifs and buts.......
Who cares? Big 12 can’t control others impressions/perceptions.
Byu won
I think that the hate persists because the Big 12 is the only power conference without a playoff championship. That matters because you have teams from other conferences with better playoff records than the 1-6 Big 12.
Nailed it.
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True but the acc still only has Clemson that's won a playoff game and FSU guy killed by Oregon who got killed by Ohio State. There's really not that much of a difference between the ACC and the big 12
So what? The SEC poached the one regular contender (OU) and managed to get a Big 12 also-ran (Texas) at a time when the stars happened to align for them. That's not the Big 12's fault, and all the league can do is the best it can. The Big 12 doesn't have an Alabama or Georgia, but it is deeper than the other P4 leagues which means the league champion is going to have a loss or two. It is what it is, and Kurtz feeling defensive about it doesn't help anyone.
The big 12 has been in playoff 7x? Sounds completely made up
Dump Rising. The dude has only won 2 PAC championships. Dump him? Shades of Oklahoma thinking!
I respect John, but is this going to turn into the Big 12 grievance channel?
Kennedy wins ig12
The Big 12 has to have schools step up and become capable of beating teams like Georgia in playoff games. I'm a huge Big 12 fan. But none of these coaches are doing that. It's not the programs aren't good enough. It's not the schools aren't brands. It's none of these coaches are good enough to beat Ryan Day or Kirby Smart. It's no time for the what you don't have anymore. Those days are done. You want to be relevant, be relevant. You have schools like Baylor holding on to a coach that won't ever get Baylor back to top 5. Gundy isn't serious. Whittinham isn't good enough. None of them. Having a playoff spot won't last too long if these schools don't stand on their own and become good enough to win. I don't think the conference is really getting it. Chaos is ok. But looking like crap isn't. If Big 12 schools aren't serious about being a big boy conference they need to be clear about that now. You cannot have coaches losing games looking like crap talking about everyone will lose a game so we're ok. The goal for the Big 12 is not to get a playoff spot. The goal of the Big 12 is to do something with their playoff spot besides show up. If that isn't the goal. The conference is done. Unless every AD and coach is fired and replaced by people who are serious about winning.
Well said 👍
It galls me to say this as a BYU fan, but Whittingham and Utah beat Saban and Alabama in the Cotton Bowl in 2009 and finished undefeated. He's a great coach, but probably gonna retire soon. They would been been a serious contender with a healthy Rising. Now I need to go shower as I feel filthy for posting this.
How do they get more serious? There aren’t a line of elite top 10 coaches just begging to be hired
@@kevinwoodward8546 It will be sad that BYU will defeat Whittingham in his final years. I will feel a little bad.
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Mike Gundy has lost his motivation and doesn't want to put in the effort to win. He defends terrible assistant coaches and no effort in recruiting. His teams are inconsistent and getting worse. Oh well, hoops is around the corner.
NIL dried up with Boone passed
@@merl-bz1bx Dried up any more than others in the conference? Poke fans are loyal and pay their share when the funds are used properly.
@@MrBench-d4n where are the results
Ute gonna ute
WTF you even talking about? Dumb statement.
Who gives a poop about KState?
reality is coming to boulder in 2 weeks
What reality would that be another one dimensional running team with a terrible pass defense
Yea Colorado gets ranked with a blow out. KSU sucks on the road.
I think it’s fair to say that the big 12 lost any chance of credibility after OU and Texas left.
I'm a hater of the b12 vloggers not the conference. This is a complete joke you acting like you know something about college football.
There’s not one team in the big 12 that can beat anyone in the top 10.
Eh Missouri and Penn State are in the top 10 and so is Michigan. Even Oregon looks suspect to me still and Miami clearly had the potential to be worse than Virginia tech on any given Saturday I'm sure they could lose a game to some big 12 teams. It's not best of 7 in CFB so it could happen. Now inside the top 5 I completely agree with you
@@wesleyowens4089 nope. The only reason big 12 will get a team in the playoffs is bc they have an auto bid. They won’t win a playoff game.
@@quinton9514 well they will be playing a top 5 team which I agreed they can't beat without lucky. The 4 seed which is what the big 12 will most likely have will play the 5 seed unless they implode and lose to the go5 team in the first round. The top 5 is Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Tennessee, and Georgia, so yes the big 12 probably won't a game but who in the ACC do you think could beat one of those teams? The B1G is 1 team conference again like they were better harbaugh showed up at Michigan. The sec is just clearly the best and it's only worse now that they have Texas
@@wesleyowens4089 acc is trash too
Big 12 doesn’t deserve anything. We are not on big 10 sec level plain and simple. Need to make a statement in the playoffs this year
Big 10 isn't that good.
@@RedGreen1246 neither is the SEC outside of 3 possibly 4 teams. Big 10 is definitely Ohio State or bust imo
Yes most conferences aren't looking like recent years past.
YOU goʻt Texas Tech perched up near the top of the B12 RIGHT NOW!!!, Be honest John, how many of you pundits predicted that preseason? ACC has 4 higher rated teams at #8#14#15 and #22 and Colorado is being discussed as some kind of contender....Colorado? A team that couldn't buy a PAC12 win last year??? LMAO