I will always consider 2D Grievous the real one because he was the first, I mean if tommorow Disney decide to make a new Obi Wan and claimed that the original is no longer canon it would be the same. Real fans should determine what is canon, not some greedy executors who bought the licence and turned it into shit.
Wise move, because unlike Grievous, Windu could end up exhausted, and possibly losing if they fought a bit longer. Unless Windu fight dirty with the force, and claim the victory. After all Mace motherfucking Windu won't lose that easy
I prefer Legends, of course. That Grievous was a profound and deep character whose backstory was powerful and tragic. Legends Grievous was a character anyone could understand. And his fighting ability was something anyone could love (he's nearly unbeatable in the episode iii game in vs mode). The difference is night and day.
That's why I love him- And I want to kill ever Single huk- Huck? Hukk? the how the hell do you pronounce that race's name? I don't even care enough about their brutal oppressive mentalities to pronounce enough care in my brain to correct my self..
I love Legends Grievous. I cant stand him in the canon, as they took away his balls and made him into a pansy. He had a collection of lightsabers, but when he fought, he was completely inept. Maybe he found them on the galactic Amazon website, as in canon he couldnt fight for sh*t.
Emir Barut Think about it if you know General grievous created mass amounts of fear in the Jedi just imagine being a Padawan or a knight that’s being hunted by him and you’re playing as their perspective or you could even be playing as grievous and other people could be playing as Jedi Or you could be a Padawan that lost his light saber hiding from general ribs they can do many things with it
Mace Windu vs grievous in loe Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long. Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. Mace could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad-the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled. To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs... The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike. The loss of his confederates was noted by whatever computers were slaved to Grievous's organic brain, but the loss neither distracted nor slowed him. His sole setting was attack. Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary. Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Mace saw by the surprised look in the cyborg's reptilian eyes that, for all his strength, dexterity, and resolve, the living part of him wasn't always in perfect sync with his alloy servos. Clearly, Grievous-onetime courageous commander of sentient troops-realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous-current commander of droids and other war machines-wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades. Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of Grievous's single misstep. Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully. Had he fallen into the canyon? Had he managed to dig his duranium claws into the side of the car or grab hold of the mag-lev rail itself? Mace couldn't take the time to puzzle it out. One hundred meters away, the gunboat retracted its landing gear and rose from the roof on repulsorlift power. Reckless shots from one of the pursuing gunships obliged the Separatist craft to skew, then dive, with the gunship following close behind.
Really a bit if a shame that Grievous is not powerful as it should have been. It would have made him much more scary, and in my opinion if done right it could have worked out, maybe more like a one that wod sometimes toy with Jedi
Yeah, Legends actually lived up to Star Wars having hella advanced cyborgs and tech along with The Force giving it's most prominent and masterful users, godlike power and speed...
Eh, to be fair, Windu and Obi-Wan didn't really beat him, honestly. Mace was given a lucky hand on top of the train, he was able to move freely and he knew he still couldn't outright beat Grievous, otherwise he would've. Obi-Wan couldn't even see Grievous moving, he was that fast, the only reason he could block and counter was because he completely gave in to the force and let it move his body for him, becoming a conduit of the force, so technically the force itself used Obi-Wan's body to defeat Grievous.
@@silversurfer8818 That wasn't a fight, that was Grievous expecting a fight and Windu subverting his expectations by crushing him. Windu had already fought Grievous once before this encounter and he literally couldn't defeat him in a lightsaber duel, so he wasn't about to try again. Grievous expected Windu to try and get Palpatine from the ship, meaning he'd have to go past him (literally) so knowing he couldn't move from his position, Grievous prepared for a duel and was met with the force. (This is one of the only times the force is used with a strong enough application to hurt Grievous, but even a full crush by Windu couldn't kill him.)
General Grievous intends on overwhelming his opponents through speed, calculations, multiple strikes, and emotions (fear, in particular). He is definitely one of my favorite characters in the SW Universe. I mean top 5.
The original Grievous was probably the best duelist ever potrayed on screen, he was dominating multiple jedis at the same time despite not being able to use the force, even when he was training with Dooku the guy had to use force to keep up.
Not the best but (at least in legends) a strategic genius. In Canon, it wouldn't surprise me if even tusken babies would question his position as Supreme commander of the Droid army
Indeed, the likes of (Darth) Revan, Exar Kun, Anakin (without being injured by Obi-Wan), Dooku etc. would take him appart, if not with the lightsaber then with the use of the force (Hell, Windu nearly ended him!)
DreamingFlurry Yes, but I dissagree with the listed individuals. I believe Grievous could duel with Anakin and Dooku. General Kenobi is a counter to Grievous. Anakin is not. Anakin would fall, because of his aggressive fighting style. Dooku is interesting. In a video (dont remember which) someone said that Dooku fell to Anakin because his style couldn’t keep up with Anakin’s flow (i think). If that’s the case, dooku could be killed by Grievous, but only if Grievous manages to pressure Dooku so that the force isn’t an option.
@@primalaspid2843 Dooku would probably still beat Grievous, as he would be forced to abandon all defence in order to put enough pressure on the count in order to prevent him from using the Force. Anakin doesn't have much hope though.
Fans who don't know about eu: I don't even know who you are Tbh until they'll make a new adaptation or shows about that part of star wars most of the sith that get named around like him just look like edgy tryhards to me And there are so many they look all alike to me with their hoods masks black armor etc
There are a lot of characters (especially in TCW) Who have plot armor vs Grievous. There's a lot of times Grievous throws enemies on the ground with his feet or holds them up by the face with his feet and he doesn't resort to instantly cutting them down because the Jedi need to escape via writers.
I wish Gendy Tartakosky directed SW The Clone Wars just to see his ingenious tactic strategies and fightying style in a 3D space with Gendy s vision, the legends one. Grievous legends is just more artistically nice to look at, to see how he would win, in canon we will know he trashtalks the jedis, swing his 4 sabers very often and relies heavily on his army for his jedi duels
I loved in Labyrinth of Evil when he leans back on repulsors in his thighs holding Sabers in both hands and feet. Spins like a top instantly killing the Jedi fighting him. Ultimately the Tartakovsky version is the best.
The amount of people immediately going to comments to say "ObI wAn BeAt HiM sO hEs NoT tHaT gOoD" without watching the video are too dense to comprehend that the video was more telling grievous's monstrosity and skill as a duelist rather than "Can grievous beat everyone in a lightsaber duel"
@@the_gift1828 yeah it does, and many people seem to have missed the part where Kenobi had to give himself up to the force entirely to be able to do it. Had he not, and had he not been a master in the defensive form, he would have crumbled under Grievous' assault just like any other jedi would.
I kinda get what you mean. In the show he’s undoubtedly inconsistent with the movie version because the movie version really is powerful. I mean didn’t the Jedi still debate who should face him?
Yes, by telling that is brain was modified to make him think that he built himself like a cyborg while it was because of San Hill's and Count Dooku's trap. Also making him far stronger like in legends because of his training that advanced. Making him not cough anymore by modifying/improving his robotic body, another thing that can justify that he is getting far stronger than before. Take the Clone Wars 2D explanation with windu to explain why he is weak again in revenge of the sith. His organs crushed, Sidious having prepared a new body for him very weak to make him killed soon, for example. Also the jedi hate grievous, so that's logic that talk badly about him, insulting him, even if they do not talk like him like he really is. The problem: In The Clone Wars 3D, he is stupid, while in legend he was taken by dooku for the clone wars for his strategic abilities.
My favorite piece of Grievous lore that signifies how terrifying he is in Star Wars, when Vader was first shown to the Empire some people in the galaxy thought Vader was just Grievous with a new body
If you look carefully you don't see a body between the dust cloud in that scene, it is my opinion that sha'a gi used ultra instinct at that moment to evade the attack but could no longer fight as he would disturb the power balance of the SW universe.
If General grievous could use the force like a sith lord with all the abilities including force lightning he would be unstoppable. and his sith lord name would probably be Darth Grievous or Lord Grievous
@@vitorkennedy1862 Grievous could move faster than any normal being can even see, even Obi-Wan couldn't see Grievous moving because he was that fast, he prevailed Ultimately because the force literally fought in his stead. Grievous is far too fast and far too durable to be threatened even by strongest Mandalorians.
@@vitorkennedy1862 the fact that Mandalore the Ultimate was able to genuinely "fight/duel" Revan speaks volumes for how OP this Non-Force Sensitive warrior was. Makes you almost think he might have been a Han Solo. And by that I mean he could've been low level Force-Sensitive but he and most peeps were oblivious to it...
Something they address only marginally as often as they should is: You can never lock sabers with Grievous, if you do and you aren't ready to use the force you are already dead.
I love Grievous. He is by far the collest SW character in my opinion and I am so happy u r talking about him and his legends strength. Its a shame how he is shown in CW.
5:30 this whole point is facts, brings me back to when sidious said to anakin “I can sense your anger, it gives u focus” thinking back to all the times anakin tapped into his anger u get his greatest feats in the force and with a lightsaber, so yes focus is the key to using the force
Hey. Legends Canon Grievous is a badass mofo, and he is AWESOME. He was trained by Count Dooku to be the ultimate Jedi Killer, and he excelled at his job. But no, I doubt he is the greatest duelist ever. Dooku usually schooled him in their sparring sessions, and I'm pretty sure that Luke, Anakin/Vader, Palpatine, and especially Obi-Wan could take him down. But I CAN say this. He'd destroy Kylo Ren and ravage Rey. End of discussion.
When it comes to Dooku you have to keep in mind that Grievous was not only trained by Dooku, he was also created by Dooku (Dooku didn't physically craft him, but he was present for his construction) Dooku knows every single thing about Grievous, he knows who he was before, who he is now, all his weaknesses and everything he's made of, Dooku never underestimated Grievous because he always managed to surprise him with his abilities, Grievous by design was never meant to challenge Dooku, yet he did anyway. If Dooku didn't know everything about Grievous, including all his weaknesses, Grievous would defeat Dooku for a lot of reasons, but most notably Dooku's lack of physical ability and his arrogance, which were his same downfalls against Anakin. Grievous can learn things immediately such as tactics, combat patterns, counters etc. Other characters, force or not, do not have this ability and it shouldn't be underestimated.
@@roigergoololo3966 True, haha. Well honestly, I don't think Kylo has plot armor, he's genuinely well trained and has a lot of potential, his teacher was his uncle, Luke after all, so it's well explained. Rey on the other hand...
I wonder if grievous would have a far more difficult time fighting a darkside user because they draw upon negative emotions (such as fear, anger, envy, sadness, etc) as inspiration (for lack of a better word) to draw upon the force. So as long as said darkside user doesn't freeze up in fear or doesn't get outsmarted or physically overwhelmed I could see even someone as powerful as ventress being able to defeat him (just because she can use the force. A lightsaber duel really wouldn't fare well at all for her). Compare this to a Jedi who are taught their entire lives to be tranquility/positive emotions as inspiration to call upon the force, allowing someone like grievous to slaughter them unless they are very level headed. I also wonder if that because he got a blood transfusion from sypho dias he is able to project like a force bubble and enhance his minds' reflexes. Granted this would all be subconsciously and probably to a lesser extent than even an average Jedi knight but it would be enough to catch counsel members off guard when the get caught up in grievous's terror and just general violence of action.
Grievous dueled Maul to a stalemate on two occasions, kicking him away in one fight while getting forced pushed away while distracted in the other. He also beat Ventress and Durge at the same time in the Tartakovsky version. (TCW is honestly bullshit) We also know that Grievous would have no trouble against Savage Oppress because Savage relies on his strength to overwhelm opponents and Grievous will match him blow for blow while having greater speed, intelligence and skil. However we also see Dooku dismantling him with difficulty in a sparring session so it honestly depends on the dark side user.
1) Ventress went in rage mode and successfully used the Force on Legends Grievous. He then got up and strangled her unconscious with his bare hands. All the other Dark Jedi of the Era are simply outmatched. 2) Blood transfusions don't grant the Force. Stated by Darth Plagueis.
In canon Grievous was one of the weakest fighters. Nadar Web could beat him if not a blaster. Eeth Koth, Kit Fisto, Assaj Ventress also beats him. Gungans beat him!... lol
I remember a comic where a few younger Jedi literally reject the Jedi order and go on an assassination mission because Grievous warranted that response
@@Crackmiser Same with Palpatine no matter what some people tried to convince me. Movies Palp is a Darkside Initiate compared to overpowered Legends version
Legends grievous was epic his duel against shaak Ti, Ki Adi Mundi, Aalya Secura, Sha’gi, And K’khruk was insane I still go back and watch it from time to time. I really wish they wouldn’t have merged him but it is what it is.
Yeah, and in the old clone wars TV series (the old one before Episode 3 came out), Grievous could even shapeshift to a degree where we see him changing form a bit for different situations. Guy could also jump a fucking mile it seemed like. Overall, I love Legends Grievous. Even his voice was more intimidating. Grievous sounds like an asthmatic punk, where old Grievous sounded like a freaking monster.
Let’s be real here, if General Grevious has the force, and he was trained in the force by Dooku or even Sidious, we would be bowing down to Emperor Grevious. Because if he had that precognition of the force and the ability to throw things around, he would be able to destroy any enemy without a doubt.
I love how grievous goes into battle and the Jedi acting like there gonna have a tough fight but might come out on top then grievous grinds them into ash
@@ForsakenDreamer7 Count Dooku, the Separatist council, Ventress, Barriss Offee, the Sisters of the Night, Mandalor and the ENTIRE faction of the Confederacy of Independent Systems agree with you.
The best we got to see of on-screen Grievous was basically the basis for him in Legends, the 2003 Clone Wars Grievous. I mean, he took on 5 highly skilled Jedi, 3 of which are really well known High Council members, Ki Adi Mundi, Aayla Secura, and Shaak Ti. Bro really is an absolute menace, a Jedi-killing machine, ad absolute *unit!*
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE He knows all lightsabers combat styles from memory, he could even replicate the style Mace Windu used from seeing it for a while and he adjusted his strategies during battle. What do you consider to be "skill and technique" if not precision, consistency, power, speed, knowledge and strategy?
@@ForsakenDreamer7 Maybe in Dave Filoni's fantasy of "The Clone Wars". But in George Lucas' Star Wars Mace Windu would demolish him and certainly not compliment him in the interim.
Also, I think the idea of a Force Sensitive Grievous was likely scrapped in-universe for fear of making him too powerful. This could lead to the war being imbalanced in favor of the Confederacy, and it could also potentially have made him harder to control.
it might have something to do with the fact that before the scene in ROTS Anakin never once encountered Grevious and therefore only knew about him from the stories of the "Monsterous jedi killer Grevious" that he had heard and most likely came to the conclusion that Grevious must be a giant.
I love the Star Wars: Clone Wars 2003 volume films for their legends portrayal of the characters, the two films remind everyone just how amazing all of the characters were before legends was labeled uncanon. Check them out for those who’ve never seen them, especially where Grievous and Mace Windu are concerned.
Even if Clone Wars 03 was being dramatic it wasn't very far off the market since Old Republic lore has Jedi Knights falling from orbit unscathed, Sith Lords soloing worlds, alien races that'd Force WH40k's Empire of Man to come over and purge, and Eldritch Horrors that'd cause Lovecraft fans to nut...
Grievous was an assassin, he struck fast and hard for if he ever relented the force (if it connected) is a trump card for the stronger users as they essentially get a free kill. Despite a glaring weakness in the force he was one of the top tier dualists without a shadow of a doubt. What do you think would happen if Vader and Grievous met? Comparing sabre collections? Btw love your analysis, keep up the work!
Whenever i think of Grievous i think of the animated clone wars episoded that were made by the people that created samurai jack he legit gave me nightmares as a kid and watching him again as an adult makes me feel how truly badass he was.
Legends Grievous was my favourite character is Star Wars. His design was unique and intimidating, his backstory was sympathetic and sad, his personality was brutal and ruthless but effective, the threat he posed was very real to most characters present and the way his strength and weaknesses was based around not having the Force was a good idea. Having something or someone that could best Jedi without the Force was amazing because it showed there were other paths to power, but his use of lightsabers was also interesting because it seemed to flaunt the exclusive nature of the Jedi. And Canon Grievous is boring, cliche, weak and ineffectual. I didn’t mind his appearance in Revenge of the Sith because it wasn’t His movie. But yeah I’d put him as a top tier duelist because of his technical skills and track record.
I think there is something missing if we are talking Legends, there was a very short series also called "Clone Wars" that was released in 2005 just before Revenge of the Sith. This series showed some of the Obi Wan/Grievous history, even before Grievous takes the form we are familiar with.
I agree that the movie Grievous is a pretty good middle ground for Grievous in both continuities. Especially as a Legends fan since he was severely wounded by Mace Windu pretty much right before the start of the movie his decreased prowess and inclination to flee make sense. He didn't have his original advantage anymore and was still following his teachings to retreat when he thought he couldn't win. Not to mention like you said Obi Wan kinda hard counters Grievous and in Legends the two never fought prior to the film so it makes sense that Obi Wan could defeat him.
Great Video 👍. I would like to Hear the Two of You along with Echkartsladder, and Star Wars Theory have discussions like these on the Top Characters of Star Wars.
That would be such a legendary dual, similair like Dumbledore against Grindelwald. Two extremely skilled swordsmen at their prime. Both channeling the darkside in their fight. Windu with his Vaapad. Dooku with his form 2 with the ideal lightsaber hilt. Without using the force, it would be epic
@Xeta Obi Wan and Anakin killed Dooku. The fact that Kenobi was taking a nap through the second half of the fight doesn't mean that count didn't waste his stamina to remove him. And yeah, he's defeated Kenobi. Who, in turn defeated Anakin. So no, your logic is fatally flawed. Not to mention that it's stated in Legends for Dooku and Yoda to be the ones above Windu as lightsaber duelists. Also not to mention that Mace and Dooku have already fought on Boz Piti, and Mace didn't show anything impressive that time around.
Grievous was outfitted to kill Jedi and even Siths alike, he counteract and adapt to everything a Force Sensitive would spend years to learn in an instant. The only thing that they possibly have over him is the force itself, but even that isn’t enough to beat him, the countless Jedi’s he slaughtered are a testament to that. The main reason why Obi Wan Kenobi has been able to do that is due to experience and doing thinking outside the box, pulling strategies and tactics that he wasn’t outfitted to deal with. Qui Gon Jin taught him to not do everything as he is told or trained to do, and adapt and overcome.
Definitely agree here. Legends Grievous is an absolute BEAST. The issue is trying to explain his very first scene from the original Clone Wars Series is often met by legitimate disbelief from most people who’s only seen the movies. . I would argue that Grievous could legitimately walk into the Jedi Council Chamber and quite feasibly kill every single master there (minus Yoda, Windu and Kenobi for obvious reasons) if he got the drop on them. . As a side note and question, what thoughts do you guys have on Kit-Fisto vs Grievous in the Clone Wars canon tv series vs what would have happened if the same fight had played out using the Legends versions of the same characters??
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Just imagine how much more powerful grievous would be if he was taller than anakin expected
Barack Yobama solid meme
He would've been so powerful that all he needed to do to kill Anakin was use a sand attack
Dude right
Solid
He would've had "The Indefinite High Ground"
Grievous in canon: "I'll have her home by 9 sir."
Grievous in legends: "Your daughter calls me daddy."
That's actuate
I personally love canon grievous but it would be nice if he had the skill of legends
Darth Vader you stole that comment from an old video
You can read that again in Grievous's voice!
Stealing comments
I do not accept the current canon Grievous. The Legends Grievous is the one I grew up with.
It's pretty much head cannon for me
I will always consider 2D Grievous the real one because he was the first, I mean if tommorow Disney decide to make a new Obi Wan and claimed that the original is no longer canon it would be the same. Real fans should determine what is canon, not some greedy executors who bought the licence and turned it into shit.
Legends Grievous is Canon to me.
Legends is canon.... Disney Star Wars isn't canon.
Lorkhan Reed the Star Wars canon ends where the sequels begin
“He was the most advanced Jedi killing droid.”
*General grievous is typing angrily*
**angery coughing**
**anger rising withing Grievous**
Listen here you little shit
Someone: calls grevious a droid
Grevious: so you have chosen death
Grievous: I am a cyborg not a droid
Even Windu stopped mid fight against him, due to grievous’ cyborg brain being able to mirror the fighting style
Wise move, because unlike Grievous, Windu could end up exhausted, and possibly losing if they fought a bit longer. Unless Windu fight dirty with the force, and claim the victory.
After all Mace motherfucking Windu won't lose that easy
He almost stabbed him in the chest then cut the ground under him and then pushed grievous from the train.
Koba1066 Lenk First there's nothing dirty in the battlefield. And second if there's someone that knows how to fight dirty is grievous
He didn't stop he crushed his windpipe and threw him of the train
@Jay Blacq the 2003 clone wars he crushed his chest...
Grievous is my favorite character the clone wars didn't do him justice.
Nice logo
2003's verson did
@@jamesporter571 true
@@jamesporter571 yeah that was a good one I'd like to see more of that grievous.
I dislike both Canon and Legends Griveous when it comes to power
I prefer Legends, of course. That Grievous was a profound and deep character whose backstory was powerful and tragic. Legends Grievous was a character anyone could understand. And his fighting ability was something anyone could love (he's nearly unbeatable in the episode iii game in vs mode). The difference is night and day.
That's why I love him- And I want to kill ever Single huk- Huck? Hukk? the how the hell do you pronounce that race's name? I don't even care enough about their brutal oppressive mentalities to pronounce enough care in my brain to correct my self..
Undyne it’s spelled yam’rii
@@zulfanauliya9789 That's what they'd want you to call them. But we all know that they are huk - soulless bugs.
I love Legends Grievous. I cant stand him in the canon, as they took away his balls and made him into a pansy. He had a collection of lightsabers, but when he fought, he was completely inept. Maybe he found them on the galactic Amazon website, as in canon he couldnt fight for sh*t.
I know that you used it as a comparison, but greivous doesn't have balls in either.
they took his balls away- and many young male female fans cried that day and were forced to watch as a hero morphed into a pathetic reject-
*stares at Canon Grievous* Look how they massacred my boy.......
I was so disappointed when i saw him in ROTS after watching the Clone Wars cartoon
Doubt you watched clone wars before ROTS
@@liar2k5 it was the 2003 cartoon Clone Wars made by the creator of Samurai Jack not the animated series from 2008
Miss White Cape grievous
@@soony1319 exactly! best version of greivous to date i think personally
@@CrimsonDawn91 Ikr! But I hate that Disney didnt make this canon
I still think they should make a horror movie about general grievous
He should be the protagonist.. ;w;
BlackRose Caddy sadly they would never do that
Why horror ?
Emir Barut Think about it if you know General grievous created mass amounts of fear in the Jedi just imagine being a Padawan or a knight that’s being hunted by him and you’re playing as their perspective or you could even be playing as grievous and other people could be playing as Jedi Or you could be a Padawan that lost his light saber hiding from general ribs they can do many things with it
@@undyne7808 how are you liking being outside?
Mace Windu vs grievous in loe
Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long.
Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. Mace could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad-the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled.
To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs...
The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike.
The loss of his confederates was noted by whatever computers were slaved to Grievous's organic brain, but the loss neither distracted nor slowed him. His sole setting was attack. Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary.
Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Mace saw by the surprised look in the cyborg's reptilian eyes that, for all his strength, dexterity, and resolve, the living part of him wasn't always in perfect sync with his alloy servos. Clearly, Grievous-onetime courageous commander of sentient troops-realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous-current commander of droids and other war machines-wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades.
Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of Grievous's single misstep.
Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully. Had he fallen into the canyon? Had he managed to dig his duranium claws into the side of the car or grab hold of the mag-lev rail itself?
Mace couldn't take the time to puzzle it out. One hundred meters away, the gunboat retracted its landing gear and rose from the roof on repulsorlift power. Reckless shots from one of the pursuing gunships obliged the Separatist craft to skew, then dive, with the gunship following close behind.
I'm surprised this has no appreciation. Well done with describing the battle👍
I'm surprised this has no appreciation. Well done with describing the battle👍
The Clone Wars is an almost perfect show. The treatment of Grievous is one of the big reasons it’s an “almost.”
The 03 series my friend🤙
Well, I think there're several other issues in TCW.
Really a bit if a shame that Grievous is not powerful as it should have been. It would have made him much more scary, and in my opinion if done right it could have worked out, maybe more like a one that wod sometimes toy with Jedi
They turned him from a jedi killing badass to a clown
Indeed
Legends grievous for life man. He made such an impact when he first showed up in the first clone wars series.
Legends Grievous could dish out 20 strikes per second per limb.
Yeah, Legends actually lived up to Star Wars having hella advanced cyborgs and tech along with The Force giving it's most prominent and masterful users, godlike power and speed...
Taupod per limb? I thought it was 20 per second total, but I could be mistaken
You are correct it was 20 strikes per second in all but that is still insanely impressive
Tim Moss I know. That’s 5 strikes with each of his 4 arms.
Ryuga 2015 Still ridonkulously fast.
Imagine legends grievous fighting obi-wan, that fight would be insane
In Legends that happened and Grievous died. That Movie explains both Canon and Legends.
Obi wan's memes beats anyone
He had fucked lungs hence he lost
@@antonhallergren588
Asthma and a Russian accent cause of crushing of lungs, wut
@@TheDaltonius No the Asthma would be caused by terminal amounts of Mace Windu to the chest.
It would be so funny if all of his 4 arms had duel bladed lightsabers and he just walked around never being hit
Darth maul 2: cyborg boogaloo
I Say Disney will make character like that to bring back fan "Oooo look Guys he like Dark maul but with more arms and four Double bladed lightersabres
Pong krell but actually good
@@IsaiahINRI I thought he only had 2 doubles tho
@@gameinsane4718 ye my bad
Legends: takes Windu or Kenobi to beat him.Canon: a group of Gungans with sticks
lol
Eh, to be fair, Windu and Obi-Wan didn't really beat him, honestly.
Mace was given a lucky hand on top of the train, he was able to move freely and he knew he still couldn't outright beat Grievous, otherwise he would've. Obi-Wan couldn't even see Grievous moving, he was that fast, the only reason he could block and counter was because he completely gave in to the force and let it move his body for him, becoming a conduit of the force, so technically the force itself used Obi-Wan's body to defeat Grievous.
@@an0rangutan Windu did force crush his chest, which gave him his cough!
@@silversurfer8818 That wasn't a fight, that was Grievous expecting a fight and Windu subverting his expectations by crushing him.
Windu had already fought Grievous once before this encounter and he literally couldn't defeat him in a lightsaber duel, so he wasn't about to try again.
Grievous expected Windu to try and get Palpatine from the ship, meaning he'd have to go past him (literally) so knowing he couldn't move from his position, Grievous prepared for a duel and was met with the force.
(This is one of the only times the force is used with a strong enough application to hurt Grievous, but even a full crush by Windu couldn't kill him.)
within legends how many even got that against grievous? he was unstoppable. it took a lot to beat him, canon not so much
"Tailored to kill Jedi"
*Isn't made of lightsaber resistant material*
Count Dooku Knew better it makes perfect sense.
Dooku was smarter than commit suicide by making Grievous lightsaber resistant
Not necessary, just give him mini energy shield on his armor, just make it reactive to save power.
@@thedriveinopera8889 dooku was good enough to able to defend if grievous out of nowhere attack him ALSO
force lightning
He'll need Mando's armor for that
General Grievous intends on overwhelming his opponents through speed, calculations, multiple strikes, and emotions (fear, in particular). He is definitely one of my favorite characters in the SW Universe. I mean top 5.
The original Grievous was probably the best duelist ever potrayed on screen, he was dominating multiple jedis at the same time despite not being able to use the force, even when he was training with Dooku the guy had to use force to keep up.
The Best Non Force Sensitive Duelist In All Of Star Wars for sure but not the best in general
Sam Guevenne was just about to say that 😂😂😂
Not the best but (at least in legends) a strategic genius. In Canon, it wouldn't surprise me if even tusken babies would question his position as Supreme commander of the Droid army
Indeed, the likes of (Darth) Revan, Exar Kun, Anakin (without being injured by Obi-Wan), Dooku etc. would take him appart, if not with the lightsaber then with the use of the force (Hell, Windu nearly ended him!)
DreamingFlurry Yes, but I dissagree with the listed individuals. I believe Grievous could duel with Anakin and Dooku. General Kenobi is a counter to Grievous. Anakin is not. Anakin would fall, because of his aggressive fighting style. Dooku is interesting. In a video (dont remember which) someone said that Dooku fell to Anakin because his style couldn’t keep up with Anakin’s flow (i think). If that’s the case, dooku could be killed by Grievous, but only if Grievous manages to pressure Dooku so that the force isn’t an option.
@@primalaspid2843 Dooku would probably still beat Grievous, as he would be forced to abandon all defence in order to put enough pressure on the count in order to prevent him from using the Force. Anakin doesn't have much hope though.
Grievous: *Exists
Jedi:*external screaming
Force sensitive Grievous: *Exists
Palpatine:*visible worry
I know right
Sheev admitted he was afraid of Grievous considering he could kill you faster than you react
Palpatine: "Dooku you son of a bitch!"
Sidious's Lightsaber will make a fine addition to his collection
Light saber resistant Grevious: *Exists
Obi wan: I need the high ground
General Grievous: I am the greatest duelist in the galaxy
Tulak Hord: Hold my beer...
" *Laughs in Tulak Hord* "
Grievoius: *coughs in lightsaber buzzsaw*
Fans who don't know about eu: I don't even know who you are
Tbh until they'll make a new adaptation or shows about that part of star wars most of the sith that get named around like him just look like edgy tryhards to me
And there are so many they look all alike to me with their hoods masks black armor etc
*Laughs in Dark Lord Exar Kun*
I actually understand this reference and it's lovely lol 😂
Grievous's feet are deadlier than his lightsabers
There are a lot of characters (especially in TCW) Who have plot armor vs Grievous. There's a lot of times Grievous throws enemies on the ground with his feet or holds them up by the face with his feet and he doesn't resort to instantly cutting them down because the Jedi need to escape via writers.
what
In the 2003 series he crushed Clone armor and Jedis faces with his feet only
that means I never skip leg day
@@artificial_rock_flavoring but lightsaber days
I wish Gendy Tartakosky directed SW The Clone Wars just to see his ingenious tactic strategies and fightying style in a 3D space with Gendy s vision, the legends one.
Grievous legends is just more artistically nice to look at, to see how he would win, in canon we will know he trashtalks the jedis, swing his 4 sabers very often and relies heavily on his army for his jedi duels
Yes, he had many lightsabers in his collection.
Grievous in canon "I'm too weak! Oh, don't kill me, please!"
Grievous in legends: "UNNLIMMITTEED POOWWAAA"
I loved in Labyrinth of Evil when he leans back on repulsors in his thighs holding Sabers in both hands and feet. Spins like a top instantly killing the Jedi fighting him.
Ultimately the Tartakovsky version is the best.
"Was Legends Grievous The Best Lightsaber Duelist in All of STAR WARS?"
Proceeds to only use canon images and gifs.
It hurt me a bit
@erik bray clone wars from 2002 aswell as images from republic
@erik bray Legends includes TV shows and Video Games as well. Do some research next time so you don't embarrass yourself so badly.
@erik bray beyond what others have said(tv shows and games), there are also comics from the Old EU(legends).
I kept wondering why footage from the 2003 2D cartoon series wasn't used instead. That was Legends Grievous in his full glory.
To me Grievous is the most underrated and under appreciated character in Star Wars.
Agreed
The amount of people immediately going to comments to say "ObI wAn BeAt HiM sO hEs NoT tHaT gOoD" without watching the video are too dense to comprehend that the video was more telling grievous's monstrosity and skill as a duelist rather than "Can grievous beat everyone in a lightsaber duel"
The video even explains how Kenobi beat him 😂
@@the_gift1828 yeah it does, and many people seem to have missed the part where Kenobi had to give himself up to the force entirely to be able to do it. Had he not, and had he not been a master in the defensive form, he would have crumbled under Grievous' assault just like any other jedi would.
Ghostly Guardian Kenobi was basically made to defeat Grievous based on his perfection of Form III.
@@NuclearRizzicist he went ultra instinct pretty much
I kinda get what you mean. In the show he’s undoubtedly inconsistent with the movie version because the movie version really is powerful. I mean didn’t the Jedi still debate who should face him?
Canon Grievous is the biggest Jobber in all of Star Wars.
Still better than any of ST characters by a long shot.
“Jedis.”
You have left chat.
Canon Grievous: Die foolish Jedi's!
Legends Grievous: ,,Actually killing the Jedi's!,,
Did you know 2 jedi is just "jedi" and not jedi's
2D greveous for life, I'm Shure that if they try hard enough they could reasonably fit the 2D clone wars in with the canon.
Yes, by telling that is brain was modified to make him think that he built himself like a cyborg while it was because of San Hill's and Count Dooku's trap. Also making him far stronger like in legends because of his training that advanced. Making him not cough anymore by modifying/improving his robotic body, another thing that can justify that he is getting far stronger than before. Take the Clone Wars 2D explanation with windu to explain why he is weak again in revenge of the sith. His organs crushed, Sidious having prepared a new body for him very weak to make him killed soon, for example. Also the jedi hate grievous, so that's logic that talk badly about him, insulting him, even if they do not talk like him like he really is.
The problem: In The Clone Wars 3D, he is stupid, while in legend he was taken by dooku for the clone wars for his strategic abilities.
@@grivous9515 I agree with you...
Um they do not need to try. It already fits well into ep2 and 3. Disney just to much tryhard and try to come up with excuses like the CG clone wars.
He was awesome in Clone Wars 2003
Mammoth Supremacy 55 of course but you have to admit that 2008 Anakin was one of the best characters in Star Wars
My favorite piece of Grievous lore that signifies how terrifying he is in Star Wars, when Vader was first shown to the Empire some people in the galaxy thought Vader was just Grievous with a new body
Palpatine : do the droid shut down coman
Grievous : stands behin him
"You know that I am still alive , right ?"
I absolutely love that the 2003 Clone Wars really embraced the legends Grievous continuity
End of 2D Clone Wars, series 1. Fight scene speaks for Grievous's skill.
He defeated Sha'a Gi! Damn right he was!
Only if Scooby Doo was there to sense Grievous just in time
@Mammoth Supremacy 55 no, but perhaps he fast enough to run away, like always😂
If you look carefully you don't see a body between the dust cloud in that scene, it is my opinion that sha'a gi used ultra instinct at that moment to evade the attack but could no longer fight as he would disturb the power balance of the SW universe.
@@afrovarangian I think he became the Force ghost. Makes sense, tbh.
If General grievous could use the force like a sith lord with all the abilities including force lightning he would be unstoppable. and his sith lord name would probably be Darth Grievous or Lord Grievous
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed
Lol double grievous commenters
Tulak Hord:*nervously sweating*
YES, his robotic body gave him the high ground.
You speak the truth brother.
Short version: Y E S
His foot could pin him down to tank force attacks, he is hyper fast and agile, he could obviously deflect blasters with his speed and reflexes too!
The best non sensitive duelist maybe, but compared to Legends Palpatine, Luke, Jacen, Jaina, Revan, Tulak Hord and etc... I say *No*
I agree the old Republic Knights were way stronger.
@@an0rangutan Are you sure? Well what about Grievous vs Mandalore the Ultimate, Tell me who wins.
@@vitorkennedy1862 Grievous could move faster than any normal being can even see, even Obi-Wan couldn't see Grievous moving because he was that fast, he prevailed Ultimately because the force literally fought in his stead.
Grievous is far too fast and far too durable to be threatened even by strongest Mandalorians.
I see grievous taking Jaina mid difficulty. Everyone else named stomps him.
@@vitorkennedy1862 the fact that Mandalore the Ultimate was able to genuinely "fight/duel" Revan speaks volumes for how OP this Non-Force Sensitive warrior was. Makes you almost think he might have been a Han Solo. And by that I mean he could've been low level Force-Sensitive but he and most peeps were oblivious to it...
Something they address only marginally as often as they should is: You can never lock sabers with Grievous, if you do and you aren't ready to use the force you are already dead.
I love Grievous. He is by far the collest SW character in my opinion and I am so happy u r talking about him and his legends strength. Its a shame how he is shown in CW.
Legends Grevious: They nerfed me
2D Grevious: First time?
2D Grievous is the GOAT.
Legends grevious is my seconds fav legends character. Jek 14 is number one
And revan is number 3
5:30 this whole point is facts, brings me back to when sidious said to anakin “I can sense your anger, it gives u focus” thinking back to all the times anakin tapped into his anger u get his greatest feats in the force and with a lightsaber, so yes focus is the key to using the force
Hey. Legends Canon Grievous is a badass mofo, and he is AWESOME. He was trained by Count Dooku to be the ultimate Jedi Killer, and he excelled at his job.
But no, I doubt he is the greatest duelist ever. Dooku usually schooled him in their sparring sessions, and I'm pretty sure that Luke, Anakin/Vader, Palpatine, and especially Obi-Wan could take him down.
But I CAN say this. He'd destroy Kylo Ren and ravage Rey. End of discussion.
When it comes to Dooku you have to keep in mind that Grievous was not only trained by Dooku, he was also created by Dooku (Dooku didn't physically craft him, but he was present for his construction)
Dooku knows every single thing about Grievous, he knows who he was before, who he is now, all his weaknesses and everything he's made of, Dooku never underestimated Grievous because he always managed to surprise him with his abilities, Grievous by design was never meant to challenge Dooku, yet he did anyway. If Dooku didn't know everything about Grievous, including all his weaknesses, Grievous would defeat Dooku for a lot of reasons, but most notably Dooku's lack of physical ability and his arrogance, which were his same downfalls against Anakin.
Grievous can learn things immediately such as tactics, combat patterns, counters etc. Other characters, force or not, do not have this ability and it shouldn't be underestimated.
Wrong. Rey and Swolo would annihilate Grievous through force plot armor!
2003 Grievous beat Ultra Instinct Shaggy. Not even _they_ have a chance.
you get more of a feel for kylos power playing disney infinity 3.0 than watching the movies which is the funniest thing to me
@@roigergoololo3966 True, haha.
Well honestly, I don't think Kylo has plot armor, he's genuinely well trained and has a lot of potential, his teacher was his uncle, Luke after all, so it's well explained.
Rey on the other hand...
Hey congratulations on 1M subs, Stupendous! You deserve it.
I think the whole padawan soka holding out against him is that he was toying with her.
So glad you went with Legends
I wonder if grievous would have a far more difficult time fighting a darkside user because they draw upon negative emotions (such as fear, anger, envy, sadness, etc) as inspiration (for lack of a better word) to draw upon the force. So as long as said darkside user doesn't freeze up in fear or doesn't get outsmarted or physically overwhelmed I could see even someone as powerful as ventress being able to defeat him (just because she can use the force. A lightsaber duel really wouldn't fare well at all for her). Compare this to a Jedi who are taught their entire lives to be tranquility/positive emotions as inspiration to call upon the force, allowing someone like grievous to slaughter them unless they are very level headed.
I also wonder if that because he got a blood transfusion from sypho dias he is able to project like a force bubble and enhance his minds' reflexes. Granted this would all be subconsciously and probably to a lesser extent than even an average Jedi knight but it would be enough to catch counsel members off guard when the get caught up in grievous's terror and just general violence of action.
Grievous dueled Maul to a stalemate on two occasions, kicking him away in one fight while getting forced pushed away while distracted in the other. He also beat Ventress and Durge at the same time in the Tartakovsky version. (TCW is honestly bullshit) We also know that Grievous would have no trouble against Savage Oppress because Savage relies on his strength to overwhelm opponents and Grievous will match him blow for blow while having greater speed, intelligence and skil. However we also see Dooku dismantling him with difficulty in a sparring session so it honestly depends on the dark side user.
1) Ventress went in rage mode and successfully used the Force on Legends Grievous. He then got up and strangled her unconscious with his bare hands.
All the other Dark Jedi of the Era are simply outmatched.
2) Blood transfusions don't grant the Force. Stated by Darth Plagueis.
0:49 THAT CLONE TRIED TO TACKLE GREVIOUS
In canon Grievous was one of the weakest fighters. Nadar Web could beat him if not a blaster. Eeth Koth, Kit Fisto, Assaj Ventress also beats him. Gungans beat him!... lol
Only two of those people actually bear grievous and he was more powerful and a better character then the old show
Beat
@@dominicanderson2111 are you afraid from Nadhar? Why you shoot him?
@@dominicanderson2111 O Hello There General
That blaster could have been a saber, same shit.
I remember a comic where a few younger Jedi literally reject the Jedi order and go on an assassination mission because Grievous warranted that response
To answer the question from the title:
No
Gameslord no but he the legend grievous fought cannon it wouldn’t even be a fight
@@Crackmiser
Same with Palpatine no matter what some people tried to convince me.
Movies Palp is a Darkside Initiate compared to overpowered Legends version
Plz sub to me
We need a petition to kill Obi Won for revenge of General Grievous's death
All dark side users....lets go get him
@@Raider2018
Why?I'm not a fan of Fortnite
Grievous is actually my favourite dark side character in the hole of Star Wars! Thanks so much for making this video!!!
Drinking game : take a shot everytime they say the word "like"
Beavis Christ I’m drunk already lol
My liver is dead
A few deleted seens had him being an absolute badass
When an entry level storm trooper survived a light saber duel with Kylo Ren ... lol Disney Star Wars doesn’t need to make sense
Legends grievous was epic his duel against shaak Ti, Ki Adi Mundi, Aalya Secura, Sha’gi, And K’khruk was insane I still go back and watch it from time to time. I really wish they wouldn’t have merged him but it is what it is.
Should have used the 2003 clone wars movie
Legends Grievous is awesome! He is one of my favorite characters!
Is this why sidious made Vader's body weak instead of giving him a Grievous type body?
Yeah, and in the old clone wars TV series (the old one before Episode 3 came out), Grievous could even shapeshift to a degree where we see him changing form a bit for different situations. Guy could also jump a fucking mile it seemed like.
Overall, I love Legends Grievous. Even his voice was more intimidating. Grievous sounds like an asthmatic punk, where old Grievous sounded like a freaking monster.
Let’s be real here, if General Grevious has the force, and he was trained in the force by Dooku or even Sidious, we would be bowing down to Emperor Grevious. Because if he had that precognition of the force and the ability to throw things around, he would be able to destroy any enemy without a doubt.
I love how grievous goes into battle and the Jedi acting like there gonna have a tough fight but might come out on top then grievous grinds them into ash
Greivous is one of the reasons why I say the 3D Clone Wars is overrated.
Prince but when people talk about 3D Clone Wars no one highlights grievous as everyone agrees he sucks, it’s more the other stuff that people love
@@brian.jrmontoya3227 If only Grievous was the only character ruined in TCW.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 Count Dooku, the Separatist council, Ventress, Barriss Offee, the Sisters of the Night, Mandalor and the ENTIRE faction of the Confederacy of Independent Systems agree with you.
The best we got to see of on-screen Grievous was basically the basis for him in Legends, the 2003 Clone Wars Grievous. I mean, he took on 5 highly skilled Jedi, 3 of which are really well known High Council members, Ki Adi Mundi, Aayla Secura, and Shaak Ti. Bro really is an absolute menace, a Jedi-killing machine, ad absolute *unit!*
Calling Grievous the "Best Lightsaber duelist" is like calling a Landspeed Record vehicle the "Best Race Car"....
AJD OLD CHANNEL ARCHIVE it would be if he only had one impressive kill, his lightsaber collection has dozens of sabers
@@sibren9874 Duelist implies finesse and skill. Grievous just uses his mechanical advantage for brute force tactics with no skill or technique.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE He knows all lightsabers combat styles from memory, he could even replicate the style Mace Windu used from seeing it for a while and he adjusted his strategies during battle. What do you consider to be "skill and technique" if not precision, consistency, power, speed, knowledge and strategy?
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE "He's mastered the weapon well"© - Mace Windu about Grievous.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 Maybe in Dave Filoni's fantasy of "The Clone Wars". But in George Lucas' Star Wars Mace Windu would demolish him and certainly not compliment him in the interim.
Also, I think the idea of a Force Sensitive Grievous was likely scrapped in-universe for fear of making him too powerful. This could lead to the war being imbalanced in favor of the Confederacy, and it could also potentially have made him harder to control.
I’m confused as to why he was shorter than anakin expected
it might have something to do with the fact that before the scene in ROTS Anakin never once encountered Grevious and therefore only knew about him from the stories of the "Monsterous jedi killer Grevious" that he had heard and most likely came to the conclusion that Grevious must be a giant.
Congratulations with the 1 million subs
Imagine if he used 4 double bladed lightsabers lol
I love the Star Wars: Clone Wars 2003 volume films for their legends portrayal of the characters, the two films remind everyone just how amazing all of the characters were before legends was labeled uncanon. Check them out for those who’ve never seen them, especially where Grievous and Mace Windu are concerned.
Even if Clone Wars 03 was being dramatic it wasn't very far off the market since Old Republic lore has Jedi Knights falling from orbit unscathed, Sith Lords soloing worlds, alien races that'd Force WH40k's Empire of Man to come over and purge, and Eldritch Horrors that'd cause Lovecraft fans to nut...
Grievous was an assassin, he struck fast and hard for if he ever relented the force (if it connected) is a trump card for the stronger users as they essentially get a free kill. Despite a glaring weakness in the force he was one of the top tier dualists without a shadow of a doubt. What do you think would happen if Vader and Grievous met? Comparing sabre collections? Btw love your analysis, keep up the work!
Whenever i think of Grievous i think of the animated clone wars episoded that were made by the people that created samurai jack he legit gave me nightmares as a kid and watching him again as an adult makes me feel how truly badass he was.
Legends Grievous was my favourite character is Star Wars.
His design was unique and intimidating, his backstory was sympathetic and sad, his personality was brutal and ruthless but effective, the threat he posed was very real to most characters present and the way his strength and weaknesses was based around not having the Force was a good idea.
Having something or someone that could best Jedi without the Force was amazing because it showed there were other paths to power, but his use of lightsabers was also interesting because it seemed to flaunt the exclusive nature of the Jedi.
And Canon Grievous is boring, cliche, weak and ineffectual.
I didn’t mind his appearance in Revenge of the Sith because it wasn’t His movie.
But yeah I’d put him as a top tier duelist because of his technical skills and track record.
Kreia would love to see Grievous in action. The perfect fusion of flesh and machine as well as defying the Will of the Force 🤣
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Agreed.
I think there is something missing if we are talking Legends, there was a very short series also called "Clone Wars" that was released in 2005 just before Revenge of the Sith. This series showed some of the Obi Wan/Grievous history, even before Grievous takes the form we are familiar with.
I love General Grievous as much as possible 😍😎😎 thanks for this video
Congrats on 1 mil man
Legends Grievous is impressive for dealing with the Jedi because in Legends the Jedi are so powerful that an entire army gets destroyed
I agree that the movie Grievous is a pretty good middle ground for Grievous in both continuities. Especially as a Legends fan since he was severely wounded by Mace Windu pretty much right before the start of the movie his decreased prowess and inclination to flee make sense. He didn't have his original advantage anymore and was still following his teachings to retreat when he thought he couldn't win. Not to mention like you said Obi Wan kinda hard counters Grievous and in Legends the two never fought prior to the film so it makes sense that Obi Wan could defeat him.
I remember when the 2D 5 min shorts came out like in 03..he murdered shaggy man!!... dueling ki-adi-mundi and shak ti to a standstill solo was cool to
Great Video 👍. I would like to Hear the Two of You along with Echkartsladder, and Star Wars Theory have discussions like these on the Top Characters of Star Wars.
I wanna see Dooku vs Windu
That would be such a legendary dual, similair like Dumbledore against Grindelwald.
Two extremely skilled swordsmen at their prime. Both channeling the darkside in their fight.
Windu with his Vaapad.
Dooku with his form 2 with the ideal lightsaber hilt.
Without using the force, it would be epic
@Xeta Obi Wan and Anakin killed Dooku. The fact that Kenobi was taking a nap through the second half of the fight doesn't mean that count didn't waste his stamina to remove him. And yeah, he's defeated Kenobi. Who, in turn defeated Anakin. So no, your logic is fatally flawed. Not to mention that it's stated in Legends for Dooku and Yoda to be the ones above Windu as lightsaber duelists. Also not to mention that Mace and Dooku have already fought on Boz Piti, and Mace didn't show anything impressive that time around.
I trained you well !
I really like these kind of videos!
Grievous was outfitted to kill Jedi and even Siths alike, he counteract and adapt to everything a Force Sensitive would spend years to learn in an instant. The only thing that they possibly have over him is the force itself, but even that isn’t enough to beat him, the countless Jedi’s he slaughtered are a testament to that. The main reason why Obi Wan Kenobi has been able to do that is due to experience and doing thinking outside the box, pulling strategies and tactics that he wasn’t outfitted to deal with. Qui Gon Jin taught him to not do everything as he is told or trained to do, and adapt and overcome.
Star wars the rise of skywalker :
General greivous ( returns ) : noone's ever realy gone
Your voice is actually tolerable when you're speaking candidly and not reading off a script
Definitely agree here. Legends Grievous is an absolute BEAST. The issue is trying to explain his very first scene from the original Clone Wars Series is often met by legitimate disbelief from most people who’s only seen the movies.
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I would argue that Grievous could legitimately walk into the Jedi Council Chamber and quite feasibly kill every single master there (minus Yoda, Windu and Kenobi for obvious reasons) if he got the drop on them.
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As a side note and question, what thoughts do you guys have on Kit-Fisto vs Grievous in the Clone Wars canon tv series vs what would have happened if the same fight had played out using the Legends versions of the same characters??