Thank you so much for this video. I live abroad with my dog and the veterinary care here is pretty antiquated. I have been giving my dog peas and potatoes for months now and have noticed his energy plummet. When I brought him to the vet they said they didn't know the cause, that it was probably old age or some psychological issue. To top it all off I just bought him a salmon and peas grain-free food thinking that it would help! So glad I found this.
In the beginning of the grain free diet and heart disease issue I was surprised at how offended owners got when we tried to discuss this with them. We had a lot of owners tell us it’s just veterinary medicine trying to make more money which made absolutely no sense. How does trying to help an owner avoid having to take their dog to a cardiologist increase revenue. It’s not as bad as it was but the degree to which some owners were offended was mind boggling.
Yes! I was always surprised when clients would take such pride in the specific grain free diet they were feeding. I almost didn't have the "heart" to tell them. And that smirk they'd give you when you offered something better.
The idea is that vets, like human doctors, get kickbacks in return for recommending specific products. The gifts and perks drug reps are allowed to give doctors (which include everything from free pens and notepads to fancy dinners and paid vacations) have been proven to affect doctors' choice of prescriptions. If doctors are vulnerable to such corruption, what makes vets magically immune? Whether or not those kickbacks exist, it's a little concerning when vets act like they're incorruptible by virtue of their profession.
Interesting. I had my dogs on a grain free diet. The older beagle and older pound hound both developed a cough and decreased energy. The younger beagle had a decrease in energy. I switched them back to a traditional diet, and the older beagle recovered. The pound hound never seemed 100% afterwards (eventually PTS due to renal failure). The younger beagle never seemed to recover, and just seems older than his actual age. I am gluten free due to an auto-immune disease. I lost about 20lbs, had decreased energy, and tingling in my fingers. Blood work showed decreased vitamin B. I now take supplements and symptoms went away. My diagnosis was after I had returned the dogs to traditional diet. It made me sick to think that they got sick because of the food I fed them.
I gave up grain free food sometime ago because of worries regarding info coming out regarding heart disease due to these foods. I try to give my dogs the best food I can find.
I recognize that correlation doesn't equal causation. In my small sample size of two different breed small dogs, both were on grain free for most of their lives and both have enlarged hearts with one having a murmur.
Growing up, I had a family dog around the time grain free was becoming super popular so that’s what we fed her. We had her for only a few years before she was put down because of heart failure. She was an older dog and poorly bred, but I personally don’t risk it with grain free dog food until the cause of the rise in dcm is figured out.
Well I’m glad I watched this video, the food I’m currently feeding my dogs is a Salmon and PEA recipe!! 🤦♀️ Looks like I will be looking for a new dog food.
Dr. Jim Thank you for this video and access to all the others you have created (subscribed). You are awesome and we are SOooo proud of you! Will be sharing with our Chinook breeders and friends. Can’t wait to show Melinda and Al Camus! Love you!!
This is so well described and such a helpful video, thanks for putting it together! It’s definitely made me think about my own dog’s food for sure and really good to hear the science behind the reasoning.
Both of my dogs got malabsorption from eating a food with 15% peas (massive stools, lost weight, silky coats turned soft and fluffy). I wouldnt be surpirsed If peas cause malabsorption of some nutrients dogs need and the heart problems are related to that. The peas also occur in almost all grain free feeds and wet feeds for some reason (live in the EU Area), hard to avoid especially If you have an allergic dog. So interested to hear continuation on this.
This means that sweet potatoes, as a treat, will not harm your dog or cause DCM. Is sweet potato linked to DCM? Researchers analyzed more than 800 compounds in foods that the FDA flagged as being associated with the severe heart disease and found that peas, potatoes, and sweet potatoes were most frequently tied to canine DCM cases. causes low taurine 😱
@@winniepeg2020 wow...this would explain my dog's low energy recently. I always cook peas and chicken, brown rice etc. to go with his dry food. After about 5 months of this I've noticed he's sleeping more and just seems exhausted, even though he's normally very energetic. To make matters worse I just went and bought a whole bag of expensive "grain-free" food with salmon and PEAS as the recipe, thinking I should change to a fancier food because of the energy problem. When I brought him to the vet they had no clue and said it was just old age or psychological issues making him tired.
It's strange. Many years ago my mother gave her Bassett hound a can food that had peas. That dog would eat all the food except the peas. Those peas were kept beside the bowl, we thought it was a quirk. Maybe there was something wrong with the peas.
Hello Dr. Cellini, I just got a German shepherd approximately 15-16 weeks old female. I’m wondering the risk and benefits of getting her spayed. Please do a video. Thank you very much 🙏
Current recommendations suggest waiting until > 2 yrs. of age for male and female German Shepherds. Front. Vet. Sci., 07July 2020 Assisting Decision-Making on Age of Neutering for 35 Breeds of Dogs: Associated Joint Disorders, Cancers, and Urinary Incontinence. Benjamin L. Hart, Lynette A. Hart, Abigail P. Thigpen and Neil H. Willits.
This was educational and YIKES my miniature poodle who was born 2009 has rice and peas in her food. She can only eat beef never could eat poultry duck fish or table food scraps. What would u recommend?
I’m struggling with this in my practice right now. What do you make of the FDA statement last year that they found no evidence of a link? It seems like they’re ignoring evidence, but why would they do that?
I know I’m commenting a lot. It’s partially because I just discovered your channel and partially because I’m stuck at home mildly sick with COVID (Fully vaccinated-in fact, I’m part of the J&J vaccine study). Was exposed by a friend of a friend who lied about being vaccinated as well as coming to a NYE gathering sick. Anyway, I’m guess I’m trying to assure you I’m not a stalker, just have time on my hands at the moment. 😅
What happened to this study? I had a cat that I fed exclusively with the Royal Canin brand and it had a longevity of 17 years, but it died as a result of diabetes. Due to the above, I decided on a new grain-free diet for my kittens, brand ORIJEN, but I was not aware of this alert. Now I'm confused, should I go back to Royal Canin or what has this study concluded? Thanks for sharing 👍
Curious why veterinary diets that include peas and potatoes (usually hydrolyzed diets) don't seem to be associated with it. Do you/we know the difference between the veterinary diets and the BARF diets?
Is there a way to see if this problem is also "common" in other countries? In my country, I haven't heard anything about it (but food market is terribly under-regulated...). Some friends in Europe haven't heard of it either. Not sure if that can shed light on the problem.
This is interesting, while Im grateful my babies have healthy hearts...my mom's Boxer has heart issues that medication isnt helping and shes awaiting a specialist. I'll have to pass this video on so she at least look into his food and vitamins ♥️
Acana Wild Atlantic is the food I feed my dog. Whole mackerel, whole herring, whole hake, Acadian redfish....but it also has PEA Starch, whole green lentinels, whole red lentinels, vitamin B12 supplement and so on. I have a 7yr old male boxer who is 100% healthy. What are your thoughts?
This means that sweet potatoes, as a treat, will not harm your dog or cause DCM. Is sweet potato linked to DCM? Researchers analyzed more than 800 compounds in foods that the FDA flagged as being associated with the severe heart disease and found that peas, potatoes, and sweet potatoes were most frequently tied to canine DCM cases.
I took my baby off of Orijen and onto fresh food due to DCM risk. So it’s not the “grain free” but the problematic ingredients within? So if there is a “grain free” diet without peas, lentils, chicken, turkey, etc? Would that be okay?
I was told by many how great orijen is so I switched but when I heard about the heart disease I panicked . I did find that orijen is now making a new selection with grains. It’s called Orijen Amazing Grains. Maybe you want to look into it. 👍🏼
I have fed my small Maltese Carna4 herring, but this does contain legumes. My dog does have allergies w/secondary yeast infection so carbs have to be at a minimum. She does not like raw, fresh, or gently cooked or dehydrated foods. A limited protein of lamb or kangaroo has worked for her tears stains and she is thriving. What can we feed these pups that are prone to tears stains, allergies, yeast, liver shunts, CHF or a grain intolerance. Seems we remedy one condition and have to worry about another
Apparently Vets think everyone is moronic. Before dog food what do you think pets were eating before dog food existed and do you think wild dog species like wolves, coyotes, foxes etc are eating grain or legume foundation diets. My 4 year old fox terrier has never eaten commercial doggie fast food. He eats an animal foundation raw diet of meat, skin, bone, organs, eggs and modest root vegetables like pumpkin and his teeth are perfect, never requires a tooth brush and never had stinky breath. Had no allergy issues is perfect weight and health. Anything that can sit on a shelf for perpetuity and not spoil should be a big red flag it pure high heat processed high glycemic garbage
Honestly, feeding your pet process food all his life is a bad decision, and worse even if you feed him the same brand. Imagine feeding a person nothing but the same brand of energy bars for years and expecting a healthy individual…. Kibble should be a last resort food. Or half the food per day, being the remaining fresh natural food. If that is impossible, at least switch brands frequently.
Thank you so much for this video. I live abroad with my dog and the veterinary care here is pretty antiquated. I have been giving my dog peas and potatoes for months now and have noticed his energy plummet. When I brought him to the vet they said they didn't know the cause, that it was probably old age or some psychological issue. To top it all off I just bought him a salmon and peas grain-free food thinking that it would help! So glad I found this.
In the beginning of the grain free diet and heart disease issue I was surprised at how offended owners got when we tried to discuss this with them. We had a lot of owners tell us it’s just veterinary medicine trying to make more money which made absolutely no sense. How does trying to help an owner avoid having to take their dog to a cardiologist increase revenue. It’s not as bad as it was but the degree to which some owners were offended was mind boggling.
Yes! I was always surprised when clients would take such pride in the specific grain free diet they were feeding. I almost didn't have the "heart" to tell them. And that smirk they'd give you when you offered something better.
The idea is that vets, like human doctors, get kickbacks in return for recommending specific products. The gifts and perks drug reps are allowed to give doctors (which include everything from free pens and notepads to fancy dinners and paid vacations) have been proven to affect doctors' choice of prescriptions. If doctors are vulnerable to such corruption, what makes vets magically immune?
Whether or not those kickbacks exist, it's a little concerning when vets act like they're incorruptible by virtue of their profession.
That study is super interesting! Thanks for sharing it with us and breaking down some of the confusion.
My pleasure!
Interesting. I had my dogs on a grain free diet. The older beagle and older pound hound both developed a cough and decreased energy. The younger beagle had a decrease in energy. I switched them back to a traditional diet, and the older beagle recovered. The pound hound never seemed 100% afterwards (eventually PTS due to renal failure). The younger beagle never seemed to recover, and just seems older than his actual age.
I am gluten free due to an auto-immune disease. I lost about 20lbs, had decreased energy, and tingling in my fingers. Blood work showed decreased vitamin B. I now take supplements and symptoms went away. My diagnosis was after I had returned the dogs to traditional diet. It made me sick to think that they got sick because of the food I fed them.
I gave up grain free food sometime ago because of worries regarding info coming out regarding heart disease due to these foods. I try to give my dogs the best food I can find.
good idea!
I recognize that correlation doesn't equal causation. In my small sample size of two different breed small dogs, both were on grain free for most of their lives and both have enlarged hearts with one having a murmur.
Growing up, I had a family dog around the time grain free was becoming super popular so that’s what we fed her. We had her for only a few years before she was put down because of heart failure. She was an older dog and poorly bred, but I personally don’t risk it with grain free dog food until the cause of the rise in dcm is figured out.
Well I’m glad I watched this video, the food I’m currently feeding my dogs is a Salmon and PEA recipe!! 🤦♀️ Looks like I will be looking for a new dog food.
Dr. Jim Thank you for this video and access to all the others you have created (subscribed). You are awesome and we are SOooo proud of you! Will be sharing with our Chinook breeders and friends. Can’t wait to show Melinda and Al Camus! Love you!!
❤️ thanks Kathleen! Miss you guys. Got a vid coming up with Jason here in a little bit. 🏠
This is so well described and such a helpful video, thanks for putting it together! It’s definitely made me think about my own dog’s food for sure and really good to hear the science behind the reasoning.
Your my favorite youtuber
Thank you!
Both of my dogs got malabsorption from eating a food with 15% peas (massive stools, lost weight, silky coats turned soft and fluffy). I wouldnt be surpirsed If peas cause malabsorption of some nutrients dogs need and the heart problems are related to that. The peas also occur in almost all grain free feeds and wet feeds for some reason (live in the EU Area), hard to avoid especially If you have an allergic dog.
So interested to hear continuation on this.
i wouldn't be surprised either.
This means that sweet potatoes, as a treat, will not harm your dog or cause DCM. Is sweet potato linked to DCM? Researchers analyzed more than 800 compounds in foods that the FDA flagged as being associated with the severe heart disease and found that peas, potatoes, and sweet potatoes were most frequently tied to canine DCM cases.
causes low taurine 😱
@@winniepeg2020 wow...this would explain my dog's low energy recently. I always cook peas and chicken, brown rice etc. to go with his dry food. After about 5 months of this I've noticed he's sleeping more and just seems exhausted, even though he's normally very energetic. To make matters worse I just went and bought a whole bag of expensive "grain-free" food with salmon and PEAS as the recipe, thinking I should change to a fancier food because of the energy problem. When I brought him to the vet they had no clue and said it was just old age or psychological issues making him tired.
@@alexandrahill9280 mam. I'm confused is grain free linked to hear problem. I'm thinking of farmina dog food please help
I watched this last week, and forgot to reply for the algorithm.
Thanks for weighing in Doc! Guess we should continuing minding our peas and Q’s. 🥴
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It's strange. Many years ago my mother gave her Bassett hound a can food that had peas. That dog would eat all the food except the peas. Those peas were kept beside the bowl, we thought it was a quirk. Maybe there was something wrong with the peas.
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You're welcome!
Thank for help me make a good decision!
Thank you
You're welcome
Great content and great whiskey choice. Jefferson Ocean is solid!
Thank you for making these videos!! Do you have any recommendations on dental hygiene for dogs? Like dental chews or toothpaste?
i don't just because i literally never work with teeth or oral health issues in my line of work (neuro). maybe ask your vet?
Hi Dr, would you recommend a meat + vegetable diet OR a meat + vegetables + little whole grains diet?
Hello Dr. Cellini, I just got a German shepherd approximately 15-16 weeks old female. I’m wondering the risk and benefits of getting her spayed. Please do a video. Thank you very much 🙏
Current recommendations suggest waiting until > 2 yrs. of age for male and female German Shepherds.
Front. Vet. Sci., 07July 2020 Assisting Decision-Making on Age of Neutering for 35 Breeds of Dogs: Associated Joint Disorders, Cancers, and Urinary Incontinence. Benjamin L. Hart, Lynette A. Hart, Abigail P. Thigpen and Neil H. Willits.
This was educational and YIKES my miniature poodle who was born 2009 has rice and peas in her food. She can only eat beef never could eat poultry duck fish or table food scraps. What would u recommend?
maybe find a vet nutritionist through the acvn website!
Fantastic video!!!
Thank you very much!
I’m struggling with this in my practice right now. What do you make of the FDA statement last year that they found no evidence of a link? It seems like they’re ignoring evidence, but why would they do that?
I think the FDA tends to quickly react to the public then do some research and then backtrack on their initial reaction, a lot.
I know I’m commenting a lot. It’s partially because I just discovered your channel and partially because I’m stuck at home mildly sick with COVID (Fully vaccinated-in fact, I’m part of the J&J vaccine study).
Was exposed by a friend of a friend who lied about being vaccinated as well as coming to a NYE gathering sick.
Anyway, I’m guess I’m trying to assure you I’m not a stalker, just have time on my hands at the moment. 😅
Ha it’s ok don’t apologize 😂
What happened to this study? I had a cat that I fed exclusively with the Royal Canin brand and it had a longevity of 17 years, but it died as a result of diabetes. Due to the above, I decided on a new grain-free diet for my kittens, brand ORIJEN, but I was not aware of this alert. Now I'm confused, should I go back to Royal Canin or what has this study concluded? Thanks for sharing 👍
ask your vet boss
@@DVMCellini thank you 🙏
Curious why veterinary diets that include peas and potatoes (usually hydrolyzed diets) don't seem to be associated with it. Do you/we know the difference between the veterinary diets and the BARF diets?
mainly just cooked vs. raw from what i can tell
Is there a way to see if this problem is also "common" in other countries? In my country, I haven't heard anything about it (but food market is terribly under-regulated...). Some friends in Europe haven't heard of it either. Not sure if that can shed light on the problem.
A quick google search shows no obvious sign of the problem elsewhere. I’m sure it exists outside of US though.
This is interesting, while Im grateful my babies have healthy hearts...my mom's Boxer has heart issues that medication isnt helping and shes awaiting a specialist.
I'll have to pass this video on so she at least look into his food and vitamins ♥️
seeing a cardiologist?
Acana Wild Atlantic is the food I feed my dog. Whole mackerel, whole herring, whole hake, Acadian redfish....but it also has PEA Starch, whole green lentinels, whole red lentinels, vitamin B12 supplement and so on. I have a 7yr old male boxer who is 100% healthy. What are your thoughts?
my thoughts are ask your vet and not a youtube vet you've never met :)
Wow, what a great response eh? Some of these utubers shouldn’t be on utube!
But my vet said that my dog needs a grain to hold his stool. So I feed him white fish and sweet potato? What should I do
talk to your vet about it. if they're unsure seek out a vet nutritionist.
This means that sweet potatoes, as a treat, will not harm your dog or cause DCM. Is sweet potato linked to DCM? Researchers analyzed more than 800 compounds in foods that the FDA flagged as being associated with the severe heart disease and found that peas, potatoes, and sweet potatoes were most frequently tied to canine DCM cases.
I took my baby off of Orijen and onto fresh food due to DCM risk. So it’s not the “grain free” but the problematic ingredients within? So if there is a “grain free” diet without peas, lentils, chicken, turkey, etc? Would that be okay?
I was told by many how great orijen is so I switched but when I heard about the heart disease I panicked . I did find that orijen is now making a new selection with grains. It’s called Orijen Amazing Grains. Maybe you want to look into it. 👍🏼
Stroke
alright alright
Does this include cats ?
I'm gonna get around to cats in a future video.
I have fed my small Maltese Carna4 herring, but this does contain legumes. My dog does have allergies w/secondary yeast infection so carbs have to be at a minimum. She does not like raw, fresh, or gently cooked or dehydrated foods. A limited protein of lamb or kangaroo has worked for her tears stains and she is thriving. What can we feed these pups that are prone to tears stains, allergies, yeast, liver shunts, CHF or a grain intolerance. Seems we remedy one condition and have to worry about another
I just drank a four lokos!!!!
good for you! 😂
@@DVMCellini lmao thanks !
@@DVMCellini have a good day dvmcellini
I hate peas (I am not a dog😂) so I am sure my pup (in the picture) hates them also😂😂😂
i dunno dogs tend to eat anything and everything lol
Dogs should not have legumes or grains. They need meat, fat,bone and organs, and some green veggies. Which is the ancestral diet.
My cat is on a grain free and artificial colours free diet because my cat has food allergies
could be something that's sprayed on the peas, monsanto
Apparently Vets think everyone is moronic. Before dog food what do you think pets were eating before dog food existed and do you think wild dog species like wolves, coyotes, foxes etc are eating grain or legume foundation diets.
My 4 year old fox terrier has never eaten commercial doggie fast food. He eats an animal foundation raw diet of meat, skin, bone, organs, eggs and modest root vegetables like pumpkin and his teeth are perfect, never requires a tooth brush and never had stinky breath. Had no allergy issues is perfect weight and health.
Anything that can sit on a shelf for perpetuity and not spoil should be a big red flag it pure high heat processed high glycemic garbage
Honestly, feeding your pet process food all his life is a bad decision, and worse even if you feed him the same brand.
Imagine feeding a person nothing but the same brand of energy bars for years and expecting a healthy individual….
Kibble should be a last resort food. Or half the food per day, being the remaining fresh natural food. If that is impossible, at least switch brands frequently.