I’m white, and grew up on some black sitcoms. The Cosby Show, Family Matters, Martin, etc. Those were GREAT shows no matter what color your skin is, because they didn’t focus everything around the aspect of them being black. It was about family, relationships, and overcoming issues together. That’s what TV today is missing.
@@MunchiexNinja that's the key difference between good writing and political propaganda, well written shows and movies ask the question but don't give you an obvious answer, because it's supposed to make you think about it. When they answer their own question before you can even think about it, and then beat you over the head with it to make sure you know their position, it's propaganda.
@@MunchiexNinja An episode of “living single” came on the other day, which I haven’t seen in years. Didn’t watch it, but hearing the theme song gave me flashbacks and got my brain ticking. I started wondering how shows like that no longer exist. Any TV program with a massive African American audience, inevitably starts injecting strict democratic political rhetoric into their programs these days. To me, it’s demeaning towards them. Stealing all their outlets for entertainment and turning them into political statements. Blatantly using them as pawns. If anybody is “dehumanizing” African Americans, it’s the type of folks trying to promote the rhetoric consuming their normal day to day lives.
i grew up on The Jeffersons my friggin italian pops called my irish mom weezy,grew up on Sanford and Son -GoodTimes was my favorite show dynoooomite -The A-team was my life BA and Murdock were my favorites-then The Cosbys -it ALL was about Familys and culture combining to create society which imo was much better back then
The CW has been WOKE for quite a while. Several years ago, I stopped watching _The Flash_ and _Supergirl_ because they became unbearable to watch any longer.
I know the exact scenes that switched me off of Flash and Arrow. Flash when Iris looked at Barry and said we are the Flash. For arrow when Smoke chastised Ollie and he didn't even argue back over lying which she had been doing and faced no repercussions.
Started watching the Arrowverse shows and the writing started getting really sloppy and was made the shows so hard to watch after a few seasons. Finally just stopped watching when it became too much.
I stopped watching arrowverse in Flasg season 3. At that point, it was a gaxillion serues to keep track of. Which would be fine if they had more than scene afyer scene of feels, snot and tears with ooonly the occasional actual supe action/story dev.
Sean, the CW may have always gotten comparatively low ratings, but they kept surviving because they had shows with massive fanbases that kept them afloat. Once ALL the shows started heading down the woke path, that went away. So yeah, I do think the woke mentality has a lot to do with them crashing and burning. Fans on Tumblr cannot sustain a network of shows.
I think Sean agrees that wokeness contributed significantly to CW’s downfall. But he’s also saying that the network’s outdated business model and the advent of multiple streaming services also contributed heavily. So, simply saying that CW went woke, therefore it went broke doesn’t do justice to the complexity of what actually happened.
The ratings criticism still applies. You've overlooked their recent hit. "Superman & Lois" - not at all woke, promoted the nuclear family and depicted Superman, rural America, and the military in a positive light, excellent writing and honored the comic book history - came out in the midst of the CW's woke garbage phase (Batwoman, Naomi, final seasons of Supergirl and The Flash), and its ratings were great. One of the most popular TV shows on network TV.
Superman and Lois is entertaining and overall it's good but it does contain some woke elements and " girl power" initiative. Like when Lana runs for mayor and her husband says " I thought this was your chance to show that Smallville could have a woman mayor" all the feelings talked about by the Kent Boys and Lois constantly " dressing down" Clark and her father. Which I'm pretty sure as a general he isn't used to anyone talking to him like this. It's still a good show with strong characters of both genders but pushing " girl power " or any woke message will kill the show pretty quickly.
Saying the CW didn't actually go broke because of woke, there are other factors, is like saying the Comics industry isn't failing because of it going woke, simply because it was always struggling and fairly niche for years. Sure, the Comicbook industry had problems long before they decided to push Lefty Propaganda. Dips in quality of writing and art, depending on who was doing what, price, the long history of the characters making it difficult for new people to jump into the run etc. Thing is, going woke made it far worse, where the dedicated fanbase it did have that allowed it to survive for as long as it did completely jumped ship. To where now there's zero chance of them sustaining themselves. The point is proven even more when you see that there is still a market for what the CW is selling. Good Superhero shows were still fairly popular until they fell fully into the cheap, woke nonsense. People wanted more, but it failed to deliver. Same with Comicbooks, as you often see thirdparty/Indie comics being extremely successful when they give the fans what they want, the recent massive success of the Rippaverse being the newest example.
The CW DC shows always over represented, like half the cast would be LGBT. Although the Mcguffin in one of the seasons of legends of tomorrow was the spear of density an all powerful device because it was the spear that pierced Jesus Christ and had his blood on it which was interesting for a woke show to basically admit Jesus was real and a messiah
I watched Supergirl until a character stated she was tired of angry old white men. Sexist, racist, and agist all in one and they never once walked it back or apologized. I have never watched their crap since.
Good for you. I have OCD and stuck with it till the bitter end. By the last episode I wished that I could see like Stevie Wonder, and could hear like Beethoven!
When people talk about CW's low ratings they aren't comparing them to other networks. They are comparing them to other shows on CW. CW's problem is that they care too much about pushing an agenda. Batwoman had awful ratings that continued to get worst episode after episode and instead of trying to fix this by bringing in new showrunners or writers they just let it go on until it was eventually canceled. Then they rewarded the people working on that show with a new show, Gotham Knights. This is why CW is failing. They seem to care more about pushing "the message" than being profitable and making good content.
Eh... I get your argument about this being a bad thing, but let's be honest, all the stuff that you listed is GOING to happen is stuff that's already happening, and how. Reboots, safe shows, etc has been going on for forever. And if people at least assume that the reason that the CW went bankrupt WAS because it went woke, then maybe someone else will come along and try to innovate without the wokeness. I'm not saying the CW going bankrupt is going to mean good things in the future, but honestly I don't REALLY see it getting any worse.
Who? Anyone in Hollywood who dares stand against the woke train gets canceled. People refuse to work with them. They literally forced the number 1 actor in the world (The Rock) to endorse the potatoe in office now. The Rock who never picked a side publicly but as anyone who read his books could tell you definitely leaned right on most issues endorsed the most lefty of candidates in the "most important election ever". Nobody can convince me that wasn't pushed on him. No different than Cena cow towing to China. Forced on them by their Hollywood overlords. Gina got canceled for saying the same thing every Hollywood lefty had been saying the previous 4 yrs just directed at the other side and was kicked off the most popular tv show of the year.
@@david-468 Voyager was a show not a movie… and definitely not one of the most hated shows. Voyager is always ranked high among Trek fans like myself. Maybe you are thinking of Enterprise, which was a huge downgrade from Voyager and DS9.
My favorite CW show ever, was Roswell. I heard CW did a remake, and I knew it would be bad. Instead of the main lead being teenagers and fighting for love and hiding their identities, it became a woke show called Roswell New Mexico. It was very sexual, and perverse, comparing being an alien to being an illegal and blaming Whites for the problems...needless to say it sucked. There is more I can say, but why bother flogging a thanosed horse. Roswell in the 90's was fantastic. I know it had a cult following for a long time. I feel the reason remakes also happen, is to destroy the original fan base, so people will not rally behind something, instead despise it.
The original series Roswell fans sent bottles of Tabasco sauce to the makers of the show after season one, to show support for the show and make sure it was not cancelled. It worked.
The criticism of the "woke" shows on the CW wasn't their low ratings; it was the cliff-like drop in ratings after going "woke". Additionally you're ignoring the problems the woke crowd got the CW into, such that by the time Batwoman dropped the station was becoming embroiled in more and more drama. Now you're right that the fall of the CW was tragic. But most companies, when they see their business plan beginning to fail, evolve their business plan to fit the new circumstances. By the end, the CW was so obsessed with identity politics and other woke nonsense that they ignored anything else and drove the company into the ground. So, in a roundabout way, they did go broke because they went woke.
What killed it for me was batwoman, after that first episode and the travesty they pulled the core Batman base fan just said "Nope" and left, they completely put batwoman in such a position that it was unwatchable. Look at Superman and Lois now, it's such a good show but I don't see it in the channel but online, even though the CW has a track record that by the 4-5 season things get woke and horrible.
When I was a kid WB had a great afternoon cartoon lineup including Batman TAS and Animaniacs. Incredible to see the network fail so hard considering the IP's they have access to.
Having the Batman TAS collection, it's always jarring when it goes into s4 and the art style changes to match Superman TAS and some characters are drastically physically altered or undermined with costume changes (Riddler going from dapper in his suit and tie to a cartoonish onesie and bowler for example)
I think I’ve watched every episode of “the 100” and I’ll be honest I don’t even really remember the last 2 or 3 seasons, cw seems to either make bad shows with a normal series length or great shows and then extend them for too many seasons and it digresses quickly
@@christopherconard2831 I only remember the lighthouse and that they kept calling Washington DC, “ton dc” or something like that lol it was decent until they decided that everyone should just fight and basically restart the show on another planet lol trust me the first two season were probably where it should’ve ended, it makes zero sense that they could all understand each other yet still resorted to violence in what they learn is a resource filled environment I mean the inner faction violence made sense, but the factions fighting each other wasn’t really fleshed out / explained why it would be worth it, to decimate your own population in a full fledged war
WB also went after black viewers hard in the 90s. The Parent 'Hood, Sister Sister, Smart Guy, The Steve Harvey Show, The Jamie Foxx Show, and The Waynes Bros. Pretty solid lineup compared to UPN's offerings of The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer and Homeboys in Outerspace.
I couldn't afford cable TV when I was at college in the 90's, but UPN was broadcast and came in clear with bunny ears. They labeled themselves " your space station" and played 4 or 5 hours of Star Trek every day. Trekkies made that network
CW had some decent shows over its long history..... it was also MOSTLY garbage shit writing can not coincide with good ideas and intent.... and then they started going woke, and it just became a dumpster fire. But I shall remember Angel and Smallville as some of the best teen tv ever
They have had some good shows. Superman and Lois is really good. Stargirl is good. The first five seasons of Supernatural were good. Smallville was good. But yeah they have also had bad shows that should have been cut for sooner.
After season 5. I stopped watching Supernatural. I was like that ending was perfect. Around that time I quit TV and moved to torrents. I think I made all the right choices.
I have really gotten into a ton of shows on Netflix from the CW that I didn't even know were CW shows. It seems like every show I've watched lately was a CW show. You're absolutely right about them going outside of the norm to make more interesting content. I'm so tired of the cookie cutter shows that network tv has had to offer for the past 25 years.
This is honestly also why I kept defending Netflix for a long time. yeah lots of their shows are shit, but... There is creative freedom there. People are allowed to take creative risk you will never see anywhere else. And while that does mean a lot of garbage, it also means those innovative pearls that is just good for the industry as a whole. However putting. "Dead end Paranormal park." in the kids section was the last straw for me... I am European, so I understand better our casual relationship to sexuality in media and thus could not get upset over cuties. But this one... This one pissed me off. Having this obvious messaging, in a cartoon, in the little children's sections so Parents can be tricked into thinking it's for little kids... That's messed up. I'm not playing that game.
It’s so sad that woke people have to create other versions of Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Ironman, Thor, etc., in order to feel included. It’s really too bad they don’t jus my create new and unique characters instead of ruining entire franchises.
That's because they're Communist puppets. Corrupting the cultural mythological symbols is one of Yuri Bezmenov's steps of Communist subversion he made a living teaching in the U.S.
I feel like this is like 50% right and 50% wrong the CW particularly. The arrowverse lost millions of viewers over the past years. The arrowverse was so popular that Supergirl aired on CBS and Constantine aired on Fox for their in season 1 because they thought that they could duplicate its popularity across channels. And pretty much all of its popular shows Flash, Arrow, Supergirl all went from 2 million viewers to .3 million in the same two years. Every one of their series that got the chance to have a finale was setting up additional shows to come. So yes the poor/"change in" writing absolutely had an effect a sizeable effect on the CW because they were clearly benefiting from the ad revenue of the live premieres from their shows and we're planning on making new shows as long as those shows could potentially get the same level of engagement. As far as the paywall problem, there's always been a paywall with different TV packages and all of that jazz so it's not that big of a difference. Game of thrones was a cultural touchstone it also went down in history as the most pirated TV show. As to what they're going to make; well I imagine what would happen if the "get woke go broke" theory has any value A) the shows that did not have that messaging will be the paywall that the majority of people choose first. 2) the creators of the web apps are going to be looking at what people are watching, how long people are watching, and all of the viewing metrics related to it iii) if people are not watching the shows that are coming out with woke messaging then they're going to attempt to recreate the magic of the shows that people are watching
Also good thing you didn’t go on the Joss tangent because you were setting yourself up to be wrong. (You’d already said he burned the bridge when he left, nope.)
The only decent show UPN had was the show that they used to launch the network which I think was Star Trek Voyager. And you are correct that it turned into the black channel.
Why aren't you comparing their ratings from before woke to going woke? You're straw manning the claim. No one ever claimed the CW had competitive ratings with big networks. You failed to prove your point at all. You also padded the video with a pile of unrelated uninteresting trivia about shows.
Here's the thing...I'm a fan from way back in the WB/UPN days. I moved right along to the CW when it came out. They actually had some decent shows originally. Also, I happen to like the "love triangle teen dramas" that so many people disparage. Honestly, that's what Buffy was and look how damned popular it is. However, I stopped being a viewer because they did go woke. The funny thing is that I can watch shows with POC and gay couples and all that. I've got zero issue with and have been enjoying shows like that for YEARS. I grew up watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Air and The Cosby Show and all sorts of shows with diverse casts. However, they were just about entertainment. They didn't lecture. They didn't make their white characters the default bad guys and didn't boil EVERYTHING down to race, gender, and sexuality. They instead were just inclusive without having to preach about that inclusivity. The preaching is what drove me away. If I had to watch one more show with a storyline about a black person noticing how mistreated they are and how all white people are secretly racists...well...I just won't watch it. The CW isn't the only network guilty of this. I've cut ties with any show or movie that does this. I recently dropped Marvel (MCU) and Netflix for the same reasons. The final straw for me at Netflix, which I've had since 2010, was First Kill. It's a story about a lesbian couple that is very Buffy-esque and one of them is a POC. The entire thing was one big PSA. I ADORE Buffy and would love another Buffy like show. However, this shit on that memory. They took a show that would have potentially been targeted at me and made it super woke and not about entertainment. Yes, the CW likely would have went down due to Netflix not optioning their programs. However, notice Superman and Lois is optioned by HBO Max, which is up-in-coming due to its recent merger with Discovery. Superman and Lois is also their most popular show on the CW. Why? It isn't woke. Yes, they have diverse characters, but it isn't a major plotpoint. If all their shows were like that...people would tune in. I would tune in. I know friends of mine would tune in. Yet, we've all stopped watching because we're not interested in watch a lecture. We want entertainment. So, I think you are ultimately wrong. Yes, I get your premise. However, you have no idea what the viewership would be like on CW if they didn't woke it up and had decent shows again. In the early days it didn't need Netflix deals to stay afloat...when it was WB.
The CW to me personally was mostly teenage girl garbage. However they had some shows that were top tier. I liked the 100 more than Game of Thrones. It's sad to see them in this rut
CW started in 2006, from then until 2012 only had four decent shows. the Arrowverse gave the arrowverse a big lift. after Crisis on infinite earths Arrowverse went down hill fast. now what they'll do is probably go with what could be described as night time soaps.
Smallville, supernatural, buffy the vampire slayer, angel, charmed, friends, the office uk/us , everybody hates Chris , my wife and kids only fools and horses were my era golden era of tv
I'm convinced nobody saw Batwoman more than the people who hated & criticized it. They had every right to & the show certainly didn't deserve 3 seasons.
the first three seasons of Arrow were straight up some of the best viewing on TV and all of a sudden things changed. Flash came in and had an okay first season then became unwatchable and I just never went back. Plus, all the shows had the same look and feel. Supernatural was AMAZING but even that started with some woke shit near the end. BUT, Supernatural didn't go so far that it was ruined. Legends of Tomorrow was never watchable, Batwoman was a straight 0 of 10.
Supernatural had the problem of doing the same story over and over, how many times can you watch a brooding Dean not dealing with the fact that someone died. Or well we have nothing on whoever we are fighting this season and hunting is all I have so that's what's I'm going to do dialogue
Was around when Fox started. Was there when Fox shown sitcoms like *Married With Children* & ensemble shows like *In Living Color.* Fox struggled until they got the NFC Conference broadcast rights of the NFL. Then CBS got the AFC rights from NBC. Then big wigs from Paramount studio & Warner Brothers studios wanted to be part of the bid wig network. They created UPN (Universal Paramount Network) & The WB (Warner Brothers). UPN & NBC went in to broadcast the first go round of XFL games. Best thing UPN ever did. While The WB was gaining viewers with Buffy & Angel. UPN was struggling. UPN even tried being all back (BET over the air free). With that. UPN merged with The WB. Is it any surprise The WB is struggling?? No, it's not. Plenty of other TV networks over the air has come & gone. PAX (Family TV with a revival of Candid Camera - a very good show) among others. Plenty of sub networks (carried through digital over the air broadcasting stations) still running old b/w shows & variety programs. Yes. People are cutting the cord on cable. But lot are going to the sub digital networks where TV shows from where America used to be are still on. Besides. The studios are cutting their own throats. There's only so many hrs in a day. Only so many livestream services a person can purchase & watch in a day. CNN+ isn't the only streaming service that will fail
@Derek Larsen I’m surprised so few remember or talk about this show. It was such a surreal experience and yet it ended just as it seemed to get really interesting. :/
I wanted to like the Supergirl show. I really did i was so excited when it was annouced. And then... It was a downwards spiral. THE MESSEGE was spitting in my face for daring to be a white man. And the plot to be honest was a downgrade from the comicbook version of supergirl. She used be her own unique character an outsider a warrior a kryptonian trying to adjust to earth but in the show she is litteraly just 'the quirky girl' + superman/klark kent
So basically you made long winded speech about them going woke and going broke 👍 while there were multiple factors that made them fall, running a show that no one watches for 4 seasons I assure you is a way you go broke. With the issues they had, the real issue would be not having a show that watchable or made money. Part of people's wokeness is being lazy and expecting to make money off it which is basically what you're telling me. Even if you disagree with us, all of it plays a part in a company that coasted on cheaply produced crap and ran the company into the ground. If they had actually put their resources into make a good show without immoral woke messaging, they would've probably survived. Lastly, you're also wrong about more shows turning to woke content, the Hollywood liberal narrative is still being implemented on all shows regardless if CW fails. The continuing bad trends of hiring woke degenerates straight out of moron college is proof enough of that. And again, being against wokeness or woke people is not political, it's about morality, truth, and common sense. Although it is a political narrative to be against woke people, it's more than just that. It's about being against people who want to destroy art, creativity, or a culture that people made. So disagree with me until the cows come home, but it was a case of get woke go broke simply because they failed to try and get more viewers by actually putting forth the effort to appeal to audiences. Anyone with half a brain could figure that out and the CW failed because they failed to appeal to audiences at the bare bottom line of it.
I like the fact that you claim that being against wokeness isn't political, yet you inmediately take an opinion different to yours as a you VS me situation.
@@spark154 false. You insinuated that's what I'm making it about. Insinuating I am being political about it is entirely an assumption on your part. I don't feel like he's against anyone, but he's wrong simply because it was a factor that played into CWs fall. No matter what assumptions you wanna pull, that's a fact.
@@VaeVictus17 You literally used words such as _"you disagree with us"_ and _"disagree with me"_ as if the video was talking directly to you, or whoever those "us" are.
@@spark154 Again, how does that mean I am against your assessment? You're just being sensitive because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean I am against you. You get YOUR facts straight because me disagreeing has NOTHING to do with making this issue political. Get your facts straight or learn to cope with your weak arguments. You don't even know what you're complaining about. Exactly. #Cope.
@@VaeVictus17 saying the word cope over and over doesn't make ME the one coping. I didn't ever said you were against me in any way, so I'm not sure why is now a me against you all of the sudden. You are a very partisan debater and to me it's very funny how you claim you are not political despite that fact. That is all I'm saying.
I noticed every show on CW is just strong blaxx, yay, power fist in da air. And every show on Netflix is just CW with Natzees. Yay, power fist in zeee air.
I get what you're saying, But every instance of good shows that you listed was well over a decade ago at the latest. All of their newest content falls into the woke ideology and heavily so.
Problems that caused CW shows to fail: Arrow started to drop due to the expansion of the arrowverse Flash started to suffer from bad writing. There may be a chance for it to recover. Legends began to rely to heavily on cringe comedy. Supergirl started to push politics. Batwoman worried more about the message than the story.
Yeah, the Main actor in Arrow having health problems jacked up the arrowverse. They started expanding it to make up for his lack of ability to do stunts and the like.
Legends of tomorrow started out so great and became so cringe. I’ll never forgive what they did to Ray Palmer. That season where they do a musical dance number to defeat the villain in the circus tent…..I had to watch that between my fingers because I had my head in my hands from cringing. Never went back haha
@@ActualJusticeWarrior idk man. I can’t remember the dates like when it started but I know for a little while it was actually decent. Not the best by far but there was some stuff to like. Then like basically every other show, the 2016 election happens and Kara’s sister is now a lesbian and kryptonians are going to make earth krypton again, then they lost me
UPN was straight trash. CW wasn't terrible, it was kinda corny and you knew what you were getting in to, just like SyFy, and sometimes you wanted that. What I want to know is how some of these other "big" channels survive, like Discovery and History. I'm old enough to remember watching a biography of Ben Franklin for two hours then switching over to History of the Gun and Modern Marvels. Now you've got Topless Pig Hunters: Nakedest Catch, followed by Curley's Gold: Revenge of the Ice Trucks. IMO, the entirety of TV went woke and broke decades ago.
Those you listed don't sound like going woke, those just sound like trash reality TV instead of some good entertaining and educational stuff like dirty jobs.
I’m one of those that likes the superhero stuff, reads comic books here and there and gets misty eyed when Superman sacrifices himself by killing doomsday in BvS. The CW was really rocking for awhile with their DC Comics shows. Arrow was fantastic and was able to end its run before becoming a joke. The first few seasons of The Flash were fantastic. It’s not Shakespeare but if you wanna see good superhero tv, CW is where you went. After the final season of Arrow, losing interest in The Flash and only keeping up with Legends of Tomorrow for the cringe, I fell off. I do need to go back to The 100 and watch that. The first season was great. I’ll tell you what though, it was nice having constant series renewals compared to cable or other networks that cancel shows almost immediately if it doesn’t hit their arbitrary target
CW was always for chicks. I don't think I watched anything from the CW. I mean maybe an episode here or there in passing... Maybe a Charmed or a Dark Angel , but The CW was mainly geared towards women. This is why you have more women that are Superman fans then Batman fans because Superman is more aesthetically appealing to women with Superman and Lois relationship. A Wonder Woman series would have Probably been better than Supergirl or Batgirl. Tried to attract a male audience by bringing in Arrow , I think the more promising series was Constantine. However , between your Gilmore Girls and Party Of 5 the Target audience was always female. By the time they tried to market to a more dependable male market ( yes , males are less hormonal than females) it was too late. Wrestling had a hell of a run with the dependable male audience until they took liberties. The NFL is a perfect example. Baseball is another great example. Things do not change much for males as they do for females. Little boys who follow the exploits of these super heroes tend to be more consistent where as females will jump on the latest trends. CW by bringing in Batwoman and adding woke elements lost site of the bigger picture. When you have woke messaging going on in politics , media , entertainment , sports and social media the market becomes saturated. I mean , I don't understand the argument that the Entertainment will become divisive. Most of these shows are carbon copies of each other for the most part. I find myself watching older programs anyway. This seems to be more triggering that many of your shows will be parted out to different networks. However , I am sure that a provider will eventually come up with Bundles soon. Once they see it is economically viable to do so.
God I miss the god ole' days when networks committed to letting Sci-Fi shows learn how to stand on their own two feet. Even though streaming has brought about a Sci-Fi renaissance. I like to think that Paramount and Warner Brothers kept it on life support during those years.
This argument is much like saying "Some mold gives us penicillin and delicious cheese. Obviously mold is good! We should eat anything with mold on it!" whereas most people have reached the point of "Screw the upsides, fumigate it all and let God sort the spores out.". We've gotten to the point where there's so much mold people are hallucinating and getting violently ill so I'm sitting in the fumigation camp.
The CW had two FANTASTIC shows. Jane the Virgin and Crazy Ex Girlfriend. CXG was especially good. Amazing writing. Great performances. An overall wonderful show.
Oh there will definitely be more fragmentation. I personally love watching new movies at home but I've had my share of movie theaters for a lifetime. Can't just do that in some places now adays
Mom had HBO when I was very young! I loved sneaking around and watching hard core comedy with “Martaaaain Lawrence” or George Carlin. Sneaking that “Real Sex” series of the 90’s, knowing about private parts before school started teaching us lol It was fun, I loved bragging about what I saw or having a friend sleep over just to show them what I saw 😂🤣😂
The trash can of TV is filled with some of the best shows ever made that nobody watched. I would argue one of the BEST sitcoms to ever air, 'Frank's Place.' was 6(episodes) and out. It is a tremendously complex business that loves to eat talent alive.
I kept watching Supernatural for the love of the Winchester Brothers no matter how bad the plot got. But I feel like with it and a lot of other CW shows I like they don't improve or add on to the story they just repeat the same formula again and again. Like while most seasons of Supernatural had similar elements it got bad at season 14 because they basically just copied most of what happened in season 10
I agree that the CW didn't have the budget for high production, but a lot of CW writing was garbage. It's not expensive to have some decent scripts. The bad writing is also affecting many comic books. Huge budgets with great actors doesn't make up bad writing.
Agreed on both arguments for the show and comics in general. Personally I don't care that much about effects. My favorite CW show Supernatural never had great effects, but the fan base never cared because the characters and writing were so good, but once that started to decline people stopped watching. On the other hand "The Flash" and "Superman & Lois" have same budget for effects yet the Flash effects are the most criticized. Which just goes to show that simple effort is needed in all front to make a show work
The 100 had some annoying equity themes running through it but they more than balanced that out by actually distributing weakness and shortcomings to all the characters, not just the men. The women failed and were defeated with surprising regularity and all the main characters were essential to objectives being achieved over the course of each season(except the last). I think this is why it was such a hit. You couldn't be certain that the heroines were always going to come through and that's what adds credible suspense to a story.
I think you and Az from HeelVsBabyFace would have an interesting discussion about Batwoman. Namely he has videos discussing the terrible demos along with the shows terrible ratings.
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Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
I’m white, and grew up on some black sitcoms. The Cosby Show, Family Matters, Martin, etc. Those were GREAT shows no matter what color your skin is, because they didn’t focus everything around the aspect of them being black. It was about family, relationships, and overcoming issues together. That’s what TV today is missing.
Same with me and Fresh Prince, and when they did touch race issues, it was pretty well done, I remember that it touched issues on both sides.
Yep totally agree family matters Martin the cosby show and a different world are great shows that today's shows are definitely missing
@@MunchiexNinja that's the key difference between good writing and political propaganda, well written shows and movies ask the question but don't give you an obvious answer, because it's supposed to make you think about it. When they answer their own question before you can even think about it, and then beat you over the head with it to make sure you know their position, it's propaganda.
@@MunchiexNinja An episode of “living single” came on the other day, which I haven’t seen in years. Didn’t watch it, but hearing the theme song gave me flashbacks and got my brain ticking.
I started wondering how shows like that no longer exist. Any TV program with a massive African American audience, inevitably starts injecting strict democratic political rhetoric into their programs these days.
To me, it’s demeaning towards them. Stealing all their outlets for entertainment and turning them into political statements. Blatantly using them as pawns. If anybody is “dehumanizing” African Americans, it’s the type of folks trying to promote the rhetoric consuming their normal day to day lives.
i grew up on The Jeffersons my friggin italian pops called my irish mom weezy,grew up on Sanford and Son -GoodTimes was my favorite show dynoooomite -The A-team was my life BA and Murdock were my favorites-then The Cosbys -it ALL was about Familys and culture combining to create society which imo was much better back then
The CW has been WOKE for quite a while. Several years ago, I stopped watching _The Flash_ and _Supergirl_ because they became unbearable to watch any longer.
Yup and they were always extremely cheesy even dating back to the Smallville days.
Yeah me too the flash is so bad
I know the exact scenes that switched me off of Flash and Arrow. Flash when Iris looked at Barry and said we are the Flash. For arrow when Smoke chastised Ollie and he didn't even argue back over lying which she had been doing and faced no repercussions.
Started watching the Arrowverse shows and the writing started getting really sloppy and was made the shows so hard to watch after a few seasons. Finally just stopped watching when it became too much.
I stopped watching arrowverse in Flasg season 3. At that point, it was a gaxillion serues to keep track of. Which would be fine if they had more than scene afyer scene of feels, snot and tears with ooonly the occasional actual supe action/story dev.
Sean, the CW may have always gotten comparatively low ratings, but they kept surviving because they had shows with massive fanbases that kept them afloat. Once ALL the shows started heading down the woke path, that went away. So yeah, I do think the woke mentality has a lot to do with them crashing and burning. Fans on Tumblr cannot sustain a network of shows.
He didn't demonstrate his case in the slightest. This was a really pathetic attempt, honestly.
Facts
I think Sean agrees that wokeness contributed significantly to CW’s downfall. But he’s also saying that the network’s outdated business model and the advent of multiple streaming services also contributed heavily.
So, simply saying that CW went woke, therefore it went broke doesn’t do justice to the complexity of what actually happened.
@@Sebster85 nope. Literally never said anything like that. So you just made something up in your head.
@@AmountStax Do you think that CW went broke only because it went woke?
UPN had a show called One on one. It was about a single dad raising his teenage daughter. It was SO GOOD. One of my favorite sitcoms
I remember that show loved watching when I was a kid
I loved this show!!!! I remember actively following this weekly as a kid, Legendary show
@@angelaholmes8888 same
The ratings criticism still applies. You've overlooked their recent hit. "Superman & Lois" - not at all woke, promoted the nuclear family and depicted Superman, rural America, and the military in a positive light, excellent writing and honored the comic book history - came out in the midst of the CW's woke garbage phase (Batwoman, Naomi, final seasons of Supergirl and The Flash), and its ratings were great. One of the most popular TV shows on network TV.
Hmmmmmmm. Maybe I'll watch that. It'll be good like you say until they get an audience....AND THEN THEY'LL GO WOKE!
You’re right. I need to watch the rest of it. I watched the first episode and thought it was damn good. I’ve heard nothing but good things.
@@timfurnier7061 hope not. The political winds are changing
Superman and Lois is entertaining and overall it's good but it does contain some woke elements and " girl power" initiative. Like when Lana runs for mayor and her husband says " I thought this was your chance to show that Smallville could have a woman mayor" all the feelings talked about by the Kent Boys and Lois constantly " dressing down" Clark and her father. Which I'm pretty sure as a general he isn't used to anyone talking to him like this. It's still a good show with strong characters of both genders but pushing " girl power " or any woke message will kill the show pretty quickly.
Saying the CW didn't actually go broke because of woke, there are other factors, is like saying the Comics industry isn't failing because of it going woke, simply because it was always struggling and fairly niche for years.
Sure, the Comicbook industry had problems long before they decided to push Lefty Propaganda. Dips in quality of writing and art, depending on who was doing what, price, the long history of the characters making it difficult for new people to jump into the run etc. Thing is, going woke made it far worse, where the dedicated fanbase it did have that allowed it to survive for as long as it did completely jumped ship. To where now there's zero chance of them sustaining themselves.
The point is proven even more when you see that there is still a market for what the CW is selling. Good Superhero shows were still fairly popular until they fell fully into the cheap, woke nonsense. People wanted more, but it failed to deliver. Same with Comicbooks, as you often see thirdparty/Indie comics being extremely successful when they give the fans what they want, the recent massive success of the Rippaverse being the newest example.
Well said!
No kidding. Submitting to the religion of woke compounded all their problems, one of which is struggling to adapt to the changing times.
They hired writers based on skin color and sexual preference rather than talent. And they had to be 17 years old or younger.
Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
The CW DC shows always over represented, like half the cast would be LGBT. Although the Mcguffin in one of the seasons of legends of tomorrow was the spear of density an all powerful device because it was the spear that pierced Jesus Christ and had his blood on it which was interesting for a woke show to basically admit Jesus was real and a messiah
I watched Supergirl until a character stated she was tired of angry old white men. Sexist, racist, and agist all in one and they never once walked it back or apologized. I have never watched their crap since.
Good for you. I have OCD and stuck with it till the bitter end. By the last episode I wished that I could see like Stevie Wonder, and could hear like Beethoven!
When people talk about CW's low ratings they aren't comparing them to other networks. They are comparing them to other shows on CW. CW's problem is that they care too much about pushing an agenda. Batwoman had awful ratings that continued to get worst episode after episode and instead of trying to fix this by bringing in new showrunners or writers they just let it go on until it was eventually canceled. Then they rewarded the people working on that show with a new show, Gotham Knights. This is why CW is failing. They seem to care more about pushing "the message" than being profitable and making good content.
Eh... I get your argument about this being a bad thing, but let's be honest, all the stuff that you listed is GOING to happen is stuff that's already happening, and how. Reboots, safe shows, etc has been going on for forever. And if people at least assume that the reason that the CW went bankrupt WAS because it went woke, then maybe someone else will come along and try to innovate without the wokeness.
I'm not saying the CW going bankrupt is going to mean good things in the future, but honestly I don't REALLY see it getting any worse.
It was always viewed as a black network, anyway.
@@NoahBodze the CW has the People’s Court, the most popular housewife show ever
@@Chris-xt8io Most popular "I'm home during the day" show.
Who? Anyone in Hollywood who dares stand against the woke train gets canceled. People refuse to work with them. They literally forced the number 1 actor in the world (The Rock) to endorse the potatoe in office now. The Rock who never picked a side publicly but as anyone who read his books could tell you definitely leaned right on most issues endorsed the most lefty of candidates in the "most important election ever".
Nobody can convince me that wasn't pushed on him. No different than Cena cow towing to China. Forced on them by their Hollywood overlords.
Gina got canceled for saying the same thing every Hollywood lefty had been saying the previous 4 yrs just directed at the other side and was kicked off the most popular tv show of the year.
The CW has always been a mess. They had an easy gold mine with Friday Night Smackdown and dumped it like it was nothing.
when your audience can't support the cost of the show, it fails...too many failures is the CW...
Honestly the only UPN show that I can confidently say I've watched was Star Trek: Voyager. It launched the network back in the 90s.
Ahh one of the most hated Star Trek films
@@david-468 Voyager was a show not a movie… and definitely not one of the most hated shows. Voyager is always ranked high among Trek fans like myself. Maybe you are thinking of Enterprise, which was a huge downgrade from Voyager and DS9.
@@alhayes89 Exactly. I'd even assert that Voyager was better than Next Generation. Both were great tho.
My favorite CW show ever, was Roswell.
I heard CW did a remake, and I knew it would be bad. Instead of the main lead being teenagers and fighting for love and hiding their identities, it became a woke show called Roswell New Mexico. It was very sexual, and perverse, comparing being an alien to being an illegal and blaming Whites for the problems...needless to say it sucked. There is more I can say, but why bother flogging a thanosed horse.
Roswell in the 90's was fantastic. I know it had a cult following for a long time. I feel the reason remakes also happen, is to destroy the original fan base, so people will not rally behind something, instead despise it.
Roswell was a great show. Shiri Appleby was a huge crush for me.
The original series Roswell fans sent bottles of Tabasco sauce to the makers of the show after season one, to show support for the show and make sure it was not cancelled. It worked.
The criticism of the "woke" shows on the CW wasn't their low ratings; it was the cliff-like drop in ratings after going "woke". Additionally you're ignoring the problems the woke crowd got the CW into, such that by the time Batwoman dropped the station was becoming embroiled in more and more drama.
Now you're right that the fall of the CW was tragic. But most companies, when they see their business plan beginning to fail, evolve their business plan to fit the new circumstances. By the end, the CW was so obsessed with identity politics and other woke nonsense that they ignored anything else and drove the company into the ground.
So, in a roundabout way, they did go broke because they went woke.
What killed it for me was batwoman, after that first episode and the travesty they pulled the core Batman base fan just said "Nope" and left, they completely put batwoman in such a position that it was unwatchable. Look at Superman and Lois now, it's such a good show but I don't see it in the channel but online, even though the CW has a track record that by the 4-5 season things get woke and horrible.
I love superman and lois it's a great show
When I was a kid WB had a great afternoon cartoon lineup including Batman TAS and Animaniacs. Incredible to see the network fail so hard considering the IP's they have access to.
Having the Batman TAS collection, it's always jarring when it goes into s4 and the art style changes to match Superman TAS and some characters are drastically physically altered or undermined with costume changes (Riddler going from dapper in his suit and tie to a cartoonish onesie and bowler for example)
Even as a 30 something, I still watch Batman TAS. That show is just magic
I think I’ve watched every episode of “the 100” and I’ll be honest I don’t even really remember the last 2 or 3 seasons, cw seems to either make bad shows with a normal series length or great shows and then extend them for too many seasons and it digresses quickly
I watched seasons 1 & 2. After that it went full CW and I walked away.
@@christopherconard2831 I only remember the lighthouse and that they kept calling Washington DC, “ton dc” or something like that lol it was decent until they decided that everyone should just fight and basically restart the show on another planet lol trust me the first two season were probably where it should’ve ended, it makes zero sense that they could all understand each other yet still resorted to violence in what they learn is a resource filled environment I mean the inner faction violence made sense, but the factions fighting each other wasn’t really fleshed out / explained why it would be worth it, to decimate your own population in a full fledged war
They lost me and my daughter when we realized the turned Archie into twin peaks
Ahh UPN... who could forget such timeless classics as Black's Anatomy, or Two-and-a-Half-Blacks, or even Touched by a Black Guy
WB also went after black viewers hard in the 90s. The Parent 'Hood, Sister Sister, Smart Guy, The Steve Harvey Show, The Jamie Foxx Show, and The Waynes Bros. Pretty solid lineup compared to UPN's offerings of The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer and Homeboys in Outerspace.
I couldn't afford cable TV when I was at college in the 90's, but UPN was broadcast and came in clear with bunny ears. They labeled themselves " your space station" and played 4 or 5 hours of Star Trek every day.
Trekkies made that network
CW had some decent shows over its long history..... it was also MOSTLY garbage
shit writing can not coincide with good ideas and intent.... and then they started going woke, and it just became a dumpster fire. But I shall remember Angel and Smallville as some of the best teen tv ever
dont forget Buffy!
I just want to say thanks for giving Supernatural S1-S5 its due. Everyone just acts like ALL CW shows are trash.
They have had some good shows. Superman and Lois is really good. Stargirl is good. The first five seasons of Supernatural were good. Smallville was good. But yeah they have also had bad shows that should have been cut for sooner.
After season 5. I stopped watching Supernatural. I was like that ending was perfect. Around that time I quit TV and moved to torrents.
I think I made all the right choices.
To be honest, I mostly remember the CW for being the thing that finally killed 4Kids.
Yup. And it’s where Kids WB spent it’s final years as well
So sad.
All the streaming services that were supposed to liberate us just became the new cable. 😕
I have really gotten into a ton of shows on Netflix from the CW that I didn't even know were CW shows. It seems like every show I've watched lately was a CW show. You're absolutely right about them going outside of the norm to make more interesting content. I'm so tired of the cookie cutter shows that network tv has had to offer for the past 25 years.
Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
This is honestly also why I kept defending Netflix for a long time.
yeah lots of their shows are shit, but... There is creative freedom there. People are allowed to take creative risk you will never see anywhere else.
And while that does mean a lot of garbage, it also means those innovative pearls that is just good for the industry as a whole.
However putting. "Dead end Paranormal park." in the kids section was the last straw for me... I am European, so I understand better our casual relationship to sexuality in media and thus could not get upset over cuties.
But this one... This one pissed me off. Having this obvious messaging, in a cartoon, in the little children's sections so Parents can be tricked into thinking it's for little kids... That's messed up. I'm not playing that game.
Bro your chill with cuties? Actual pedo hours
@Glenn Donovan You should elaborate. Or not. I don't want to be too pushy
@Glenn Donovan I understand and agree with you on that. Thank you for elaborating, by the way. It's very appreciated :)
CW used to be good...
During line the first few seasons of supernatural....
15 years ago.
It’s so sad that woke people have to create other versions of Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Ironman, Thor, etc., in order to feel included. It’s really too bad they don’t jus my create new and unique characters instead of ruining entire franchises.
That's because they're Communist puppets. Corrupting the cultural mythological symbols is one of Yuri Bezmenov's steps of Communist subversion he made a living teaching in the U.S.
Or just support the less popular characters that already existed that they could relate to.
I feel like this is like 50% right and 50% wrong the CW particularly. The arrowverse lost millions of viewers over the past years. The arrowverse was so popular that Supergirl aired on CBS and Constantine aired on Fox for their in season 1 because they thought that they could duplicate its popularity across channels. And pretty much all of its popular shows Flash, Arrow, Supergirl all went from 2 million viewers to .3 million in the same two years. Every one of their series that got the chance to have a finale was setting up additional shows to come. So yes the poor/"change in" writing absolutely had an effect a sizeable effect on the CW because they were clearly benefiting from the ad revenue of the live premieres from their shows and we're planning on making new shows as long as those shows could potentially get the same level of engagement.
As far as the paywall problem, there's always been a paywall with different TV packages and all of that jazz so it's not that big of a difference. Game of thrones was a cultural touchstone it also went down in history as the most pirated TV show. As to what they're going to make; well I imagine what would happen if the "get woke go broke" theory has any value
A) the shows that did not have that messaging will be the paywall that the majority of people choose first.
2) the creators of the web apps are going to be looking at what people are watching, how long people are watching, and all of the viewing metrics related to it
iii) if people are not watching the shows that are coming out with woke messaging then they're going to attempt to recreate the magic of the shows that people are watching
Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
That TV network was not called “Warner Brothers” it was “the WB” pronounced “double-ewe bee”.
Also good thing you didn’t go on the Joss tangent because you were setting yourself up to be wrong. (You’d already said he burned the bridge when he left, nope.)
The only decent show UPN had was the show that they used to launch the network which I think was Star Trek Voyager. And you are correct that it turned into the black channel.
Smack down when it aired on UPN was still the golden age!
Sean is just butthurt cuz there's no more Gilmore girls episodes
Why aren't you comparing their ratings from before woke to going woke? You're straw manning the claim. No one ever claimed the CW had competitive ratings with big networks. You failed to prove your point at all. You also padded the video with a pile of unrelated uninteresting trivia about shows.
Here's the thing...I'm a fan from way back in the WB/UPN days. I moved right along to the CW when it came out. They actually had some decent shows originally. Also, I happen to like the "love triangle teen dramas" that so many people disparage. Honestly, that's what Buffy was and look how damned popular it is. However, I stopped being a viewer because they did go woke.
The funny thing is that I can watch shows with POC and gay couples and all that. I've got zero issue with and have been enjoying shows like that for YEARS. I grew up watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Air and The Cosby Show and all sorts of shows with diverse casts. However, they were just about entertainment. They didn't lecture. They didn't make their white characters the default bad guys and didn't boil EVERYTHING down to race, gender, and sexuality. They instead were just inclusive without having to preach about that inclusivity.
The preaching is what drove me away. If I had to watch one more show with a storyline about a black person noticing how mistreated they are and how all white people are secretly racists...well...I just won't watch it. The CW isn't the only network guilty of this. I've cut ties with any show or movie that does this. I recently dropped Marvel (MCU) and Netflix for the same reasons. The final straw for me at Netflix, which I've had since 2010, was First Kill. It's a story about a lesbian couple that is very Buffy-esque and one of them is a POC. The entire thing was one big PSA. I ADORE Buffy and would love another Buffy like show. However, this shit on that memory. They took a show that would have potentially been targeted at me and made it super woke and not about entertainment.
Yes, the CW likely would have went down due to Netflix not optioning their programs. However, notice Superman and Lois is optioned by HBO Max, which is up-in-coming due to its recent merger with Discovery. Superman and Lois is also their most popular show on the CW. Why? It isn't woke. Yes, they have diverse characters, but it isn't a major plotpoint. If all their shows were like that...people would tune in. I would tune in. I know friends of mine would tune in. Yet, we've all stopped watching because we're not interested in watch a lecture. We want entertainment.
So, I think you are ultimately wrong. Yes, I get your premise. However, you have no idea what the viewership would be like on CW if they didn't woke it up and had decent shows again. In the early days it didn't need Netflix deals to stay afloat...when it was WB.
The CW to me personally was mostly teenage girl garbage. However they had some shows that were top tier. I liked the 100 more than Game of Thrones. It's sad to see them in this rut
Same reason i stopped watching it
Have you watched Obi-Wan? I bet you can't predict the story arc of the strong black female villain.
Will you do an episode on Netflix's Resident Evil?
CW started in 2006, from then until 2012 only had four decent shows. the Arrowverse gave the arrowverse a big lift. after Crisis on infinite earths Arrowverse went down hill fast. now what they'll do is probably go with what could be described as night time soaps.
Crisis on Infinite Earths and the arrow finale were the last things I ever watched. I just didn’t care as much once Stephen Amell was gone
@@SirDenzington89 The Arrowverze lozt it's way after that, now it's time for it to go.
Smallville, Supernatural, and Firefly are three of my favorite TV shows of all time.
Smallville, supernatural, buffy the vampire slayer, angel, charmed, friends, the office uk/us , everybody hates Chris , my wife and kids only fools and horses were my era golden era of tv
what was that show back in the 90s about a bike messenger girl in post apocalyptic Seattle? That had potential.
I stopped watching Arrow at the episode where he slept with Huntress in the same episode he met her, which means I watched like, 5 episodes.
The only CW show I have ever liked is “In The Dark”… which is on now… but I definitely wish another network would pick it up.
Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
I'm convinced nobody saw Batwoman more than the people who hated & criticized it. They had every right to & the show certainly didn't deserve 3 seasons.
the first three seasons of Arrow were straight up some of the best viewing on TV and all of a sudden things changed. Flash came in and had an okay first season then became unwatchable and I just never went back. Plus, all the shows had the same look and feel. Supernatural was AMAZING but even that started with some woke shit near the end. BUT, Supernatural didn't go so far that it was ruined. Legends of Tomorrow was never watchable, Batwoman was a straight 0 of 10.
What happened to Firefly was criminal. a 9/10 great show.
Supernatural had the problem of doing the same story over and over, how many times can you watch a brooding Dean not dealing with the fact that someone died. Or well we have nothing on whoever we are fighting this season and hunting is all I have so that's what's I'm going to do dialogue
Remember when the cw was originally called WB
and it still sucked back then, like when U.P.N. turned into "the Parkers & Mo'Nique" Network.
Was around when Fox started. Was there when Fox shown sitcoms like *Married With Children* & ensemble shows like *In Living Color.* Fox struggled until they got the NFC Conference broadcast rights of the NFL. Then CBS got the AFC rights from NBC. Then big wigs from Paramount studio & Warner Brothers studios wanted to be part of the bid wig network. They created UPN (Universal Paramount Network) & The WB (Warner Brothers). UPN & NBC went in to broadcast the first go round of XFL games. Best thing UPN ever did. While The WB was gaining viewers with Buffy & Angel. UPN was struggling. UPN even tried being all back (BET over the air free). With that. UPN merged with The WB.
Is it any surprise The WB is struggling?? No, it's not. Plenty of other TV networks over the air has come & gone. PAX (Family TV with a revival of Candid Camera - a very good show) among others. Plenty of sub networks (carried through digital over the air broadcasting stations) still running old b/w shows & variety programs.
Yes. People are cutting the cord on cable. But lot are going to the sub digital networks where TV shows from where America used to be are still on.
Besides. The studios are cutting their own throats. There's only so many hrs in a day. Only so many livestream services a person can purchase & watch in a day. CNN+ isn't the only streaming service that will fail
PAX. Now that’s a throwback
Terra Nova was awesome. So disappointing it was canceled just as it was getting going.
@Derek Larsen
I’m surprised so few remember or talk about this show. It was such a surreal experience and yet it ended just as it seemed to get really interesting. :/
I wanted to like the Supergirl show.
I really did i was so excited when it was annouced. And then... It was a downwards spiral. THE MESSEGE was spitting in my face for daring to be a white man. And the plot to be honest was a downgrade from the comicbook version of supergirl. She used be her own unique character an outsider a warrior a kryptonian trying to adjust to earth but in the show she is litteraly just 'the quirky girl' + superman/klark kent
Did you watch season 6, it goes nuclear level woke…
i gave up on them after the 1st season of supergirl. smallville was great though.
So basically you made long winded speech about them going woke and going broke 👍 while there were multiple factors that made them fall, running a show that no one watches for 4 seasons I assure you is a way you go broke. With the issues they had, the real issue would be not having a show that watchable or made money.
Part of people's wokeness is being lazy and expecting to make money off it which is basically what you're telling me. Even if you disagree with us, all of it plays a part in a company that coasted on cheaply produced crap and ran the company into the ground.
If they had actually put their resources into make a good show without immoral woke messaging, they would've probably survived. Lastly, you're also wrong about more shows turning to woke content, the Hollywood liberal narrative is still being implemented on all shows regardless if CW fails. The continuing bad trends of hiring woke degenerates straight out of moron college is proof enough of that.
And again, being against wokeness or woke people is not political, it's about morality, truth, and common sense. Although it is a political narrative to be against woke people, it's more than just that. It's about being against people who want to destroy art, creativity, or a culture that people made.
So disagree with me until the cows come home, but it was a case of get woke go broke simply because they failed to try and get more viewers by actually putting forth the effort to appeal to audiences. Anyone with half a brain could figure that out and the CW failed because they failed to appeal to audiences at the bare bottom line of it.
I like the fact that you claim that being against wokeness isn't political, yet you inmediately take an opinion different to yours as a you VS me situation.
@@spark154 false. You insinuated that's what I'm making it about. Insinuating I am being political about it is entirely an assumption on your part. I don't feel like he's against anyone, but he's wrong simply because it was a factor that played into CWs fall.
No matter what assumptions you wanna pull, that's a fact.
@@VaeVictus17 You literally used words such as _"you disagree with us"_ and _"disagree with me"_ as if the video was talking directly to you, or whoever those "us" are.
@@spark154 Again, how does that mean I am against your assessment? You're just being sensitive because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean I am against you.
You get YOUR facts straight because me disagreeing has NOTHING to do with making this issue political. Get your facts straight or learn to cope with your weak arguments.
You don't even know what you're complaining about. Exactly. #Cope.
@@VaeVictus17 saying the word cope over and over doesn't make ME the one coping.
I didn't ever said you were against me in any way, so I'm not sure why is now a me against you all of the sudden. You are a very partisan debater and to me it's very funny how you claim you are not political despite that fact. That is all I'm saying.
The cw definitely had problems from day one to me by canceling good shows like veronica Mars
UPN was my childhood. We didn’t have cable or a/c in Texas. Idk how I survived, honestly.
We have damn near cycled back around to where cable is cheaper...lol
I noticed every show on CW is just strong blaxx, yay, power fist in da air. And every show on Netflix is just CW with Natzees. Yay, power fist in zeee air.
I only watched weekday morning Cartoons on UPN. Back in the 90's.
I get what you're saying,
But every instance of good shows that you listed was well over a decade ago at the latest. All of their newest content falls into the woke ideology and heavily so.
Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
Thanks for keeping us grounded.
Problems that caused CW shows to fail:
Arrow started to drop due to the expansion of the arrowverse
Flash started to suffer from bad writing. There may be a chance for it to recover.
Legends began to rely to heavily on cringe comedy.
Supergirl started to push politics.
Batwoman worried more about the message than the story.
Supergirl was bad even on CBS it moved to CW aftah season 1
Yeah, the Main actor in Arrow having health problems jacked up the arrowverse. They started expanding it to make up for his lack of ability to do stunts and the like.
Legends of tomorrow started out so great and became so cringe. I’ll never forgive what they did to Ray Palmer. That season where they do a musical dance number to defeat the villain in the circus tent…..I had to watch that between my fingers because I had my head in my hands from cringing. Never went back haha
@@ActualJusticeWarrior idk man. I can’t remember the dates like when it started but I know for a little while it was actually decent. Not the best by far but there was some stuff to like. Then like basically every other show, the 2016 election happens and Kara’s sister is now a lesbian and kryptonians are going to make earth krypton again, then they lost me
@@ActualJusticeWarrior Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
The 100 was a great show and you're right they ruined it at the end but I still rewatch it on Netflix once a year
UPN was straight trash. CW wasn't terrible, it was kinda corny and you knew what you were getting in to, just like SyFy, and sometimes you wanted that. What I want to know is how some of these other "big" channels survive, like Discovery and History. I'm old enough to remember watching a biography of Ben Franklin for two hours then switching over to History of the Gun and Modern Marvels. Now you've got Topless Pig Hunters: Nakedest Catch, followed by Curley's Gold: Revenge of the Ice Trucks. IMO, the entirety of TV went woke and broke decades ago.
Those you listed don't sound like going woke, those just sound like trash reality TV instead of some good entertaining and educational stuff like dirty jobs.
to the young ones out there dont miss out an the show ANGEL, watch all 5 season , youre welcome
but did you watch Buffy first?
@@alyinthevalley7075 ofc
Aren't you talking about the Captain Midnight video about the CW?
Reminds me of the SciFi channel
I’m one of those that likes the superhero stuff, reads comic books here and there and gets misty eyed when Superman sacrifices himself by killing doomsday in BvS. The CW was really rocking for awhile with their DC Comics shows. Arrow was fantastic and was able to end its run before becoming a joke. The first few seasons of The Flash were fantastic. It’s not Shakespeare but if you wanna see good superhero tv, CW is where you went. After the final season of Arrow, losing interest in The Flash and only keeping up with Legends of Tomorrow for the cringe, I fell off. I do need to go back to The 100 and watch that. The first season was great. I’ll tell you what though, it was nice having constant series renewals compared to cable or other networks that cancel shows almost immediately if it doesn’t hit their arbitrary target
Season one of Dare Devil was great! Then it went to hell....
Nah all 3 seasons of Daredevil are absolutely fantastic
Season 2 was better than season 1
@@FlawlessP401 It’s a hot take but I agree with this statement
whats CW?
I don't know either lol
@@tykehotep2865 cant wait to find out
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CW = Can't Wait. 😆
The CW Television Network. C(BS) + W(arner Brothers Entertainment).
I have very fond memories of UPN. But only because of WWE Smackdown. That's the only thing I watched on it growing up.
I remember the early days of UPN with Star Trek: Voyager and The Sentinel.
Those were good days...
Season 6 and 7 of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer aired on UPN, that's when I watched that channel. Home Movies also aired on UPN.
BUffy was on CW from the start. My favorite show ever
or the WB **
CW was always for chicks. I don't think I watched anything from the CW. I mean maybe an episode here or there in passing... Maybe a Charmed or a Dark Angel , but The CW was mainly geared towards women. This is why you have more women that are Superman fans then Batman fans because Superman is more aesthetically appealing to women with Superman and Lois relationship. A Wonder Woman series would have Probably been better than Supergirl or Batgirl. Tried to attract a male audience by bringing in Arrow , I think the more promising series was Constantine. However , between your Gilmore Girls and Party Of 5 the Target audience was always female. By the time they tried to market to a more dependable male market ( yes , males are less hormonal than females) it was too late. Wrestling had a hell of a run with the dependable male audience until they took liberties. The NFL is a perfect example. Baseball is another great example. Things do not change much for males as they do for females. Little boys who follow the exploits of these super heroes tend to be more consistent where as females will jump on the latest trends. CW by bringing in Batwoman and adding woke elements lost site of the bigger picture. When you have woke messaging going on in politics , media , entertainment , sports and social media the market becomes saturated. I mean , I don't understand the argument that the Entertainment will become divisive. Most of these shows are carbon copies of each other for the most part. I find myself watching older programs anyway. This seems to be more triggering that many of your shows will be parted out to different networks. However , I am sure that a provider will eventually come up with Bundles soon. Once they see it is economically viable to do so.
Wait which charmed
We're moving towards apolitical content like the daily wire or that ISOM content. Apolitical is where is trending
The 100 was decent. Too bad they didn't stick the landing 😐
Yeah after the fourth season the show went downhill
They did... just with their face.
God I miss the god ole' days when networks committed to letting Sci-Fi shows learn how to stand on their own two feet. Even though streaming has brought about a Sci-Fi renaissance. I like to think that Paramount and Warner Brothers kept it on life support during those years.
You need to check out the Wayne’s Brothers [ Homeboys in outer space ] Peak television !
Supernatural season 1-5 is probably one of the best television stories ever written
I agree and while I did enjoy some of the later episodes, characters and plots I can understand why some just prefer the first 5
This argument is much like saying "Some mold gives us penicillin and delicious cheese. Obviously mold is good! We should eat anything with mold on it!" whereas most people have reached the point of "Screw the upsides, fumigate it all and let God sort the spores out.". We've gotten to the point where there's so much mold people are hallucinating and getting violently ill so I'm sitting in the fumigation camp.
If Firefly was so popular the movie would have not been an abject failure at the box office
I used to be so hyped to watch Terra nova. But it never went anywhere. Rather disappointing
Fox Cancels everything innovative
The 100 was great!
I loved it too
I love your final point about what subscriptions have done to our society and how it disconnects us. More ways to divide, to separate us.
The CW had two FANTASTIC shows. Jane the Virgin and Crazy Ex Girlfriend. CXG was especially good. Amazing writing. Great performances. An overall wonderful show.
That show was garbage cringe
@@davidmeloche3563 Nope:)
@@davidmeloche3563 I agree. I never heard of Crazy Ex, but Jane the Virgin was hot garbage.
Oh there will definitely be more fragmentation. I personally love watching new movies at home but I've had my share of movie theaters for a lifetime. Can't just do that in some places now adays
The first season of Arrow had promise, and then it kind of went down hill and by season three it went into a nose dive.
I remember watching Enterprise on UPN
smallville and buffy the vampire slayer. man those are names i havnt heard in a while. they were decent shows
Buffy was the best show. It was funny but serious had great writing and it wasnt all feminist BS even tho The vampire slayer was a badass chick.
I mostly watched UPN for WWF Smackdown back in the day. There was also a short-lived buddy cop series I enjoyed called “The Strip” set in Las Vegas.
Did you watch VIP?
The CW had one GOOD, no... *GREAT* ...show: Supernatural. Then again, it wasn't produced BY the CW, only AIRED by them lol.
Mom had HBO when I was very young! I loved sneaking around and watching hard core comedy with “Martaaaain Lawrence” or George Carlin. Sneaking that “Real Sex” series of the 90’s, knowing about private parts before school started teaching us lol
It was fun, I loved bragging about what I saw or having a friend sleep over just to show them what I saw 😂🤣😂
The trash can of TV is filled with some of the best shows ever made that nobody watched. I would argue one of the BEST sitcoms to ever air, 'Frank's Place.' was 6(episodes) and out.
It is a tremendously complex business that loves to eat talent alive.
I stopped watching CW after Supernatural ended. And even while they were showing Supernatural, I didn't really care that much for it.
I kept watching Supernatural for the love of the Winchester Brothers no matter how bad the plot got. But I feel like with it and a lot of other CW shows I like they don't improve or add on to the story they just repeat the same formula again and again. Like while most seasons of Supernatural had similar elements it got bad at season 14 because they basically just copied most of what happened in season 10
I agree that the CW didn't have the budget for high production, but a lot of CW writing was garbage. It's not expensive to have some decent scripts. The bad writing is also affecting many comic books. Huge budgets with great actors doesn't make up bad writing.
Agreed on both arguments for the show and comics in general. Personally I don't care that much about effects. My favorite CW show Supernatural never had great effects, but the fan base never cared because the characters and writing were so good, but once that started to decline people stopped watching. On the other hand "The Flash" and "Superman & Lois" have same budget for effects yet the Flash effects are the most criticized. Which just goes to show that simple effort is needed in all front to make a show work
I wasn't into UPN, but Veronica Mars started out on UPN and it was some of the finest television in the past 20 years or so.
I love the CW!
Without them, the Critical Drinker wouldn't have as much hilarious material.
Jordan Peterson explains Common Law very well here and why CW suffered losses. ua-cam.com/video/o74rQmLRqtA/v-deo.html
Daaang, feels good to know others had seen and appreciated the 100.
The 100 had some annoying equity themes running through it but they more than balanced that out by actually distributing weakness and shortcomings to all the characters, not just the men. The women failed and were defeated with surprising regularity and all the main characters were essential to objectives being achieved over the course of each season(except the last). I think this is why it was such a hit. You couldn't be certain that the heroines were always going to come through and that's what adds credible suspense to a story.
I think you and Az from HeelVsBabyFace would have an interesting discussion about Batwoman. Namely he has videos discussing the terrible demos along with the shows terrible ratings.