I think people underestimate how much the arena set up influences perception of the product... the ringside area now is huge and looks sterile af... back with the old style the guard rails were closer, you could actually see the people in the first few rows through the bars, and there were crew people around the ring doing stuff... it felt active, like a sports crowd going to a sports event... now it just looks like a stage set filmed in front of a live audience.
Whats crazy is i got my girlfriend to start watchin wrestling with me and we watched this year’s royal rumble and some other ppv. Then i showed her matches in 97-99 with rock, bret, hbk, Austin, hhh etc. she can even see the difference in execution in moves, ring psychology. They made it look as real as possible (some things obviously have there limitations) and didn’t look so choreographed
@@kant5696 exactly. it's painfully obvious. It's an entire generation of wrestlers who work actual matches in front of crowds like they are just fckin around running spots in a training school, and they don't even realize it. It seems like Triple-H is slowly trying to reestablish some of those old aspects of wrestling, but the biggest hurdle is going to be getting all these smart marks to stop whining and just watch the show for a little while. All of them are so busy to nit-picking "booking" (that don't actually understand,) that they aren't even watching the shows to notice that it is slowly becoming pro-wrestling again.
@@louio I still love that match but you're fight the finish dropped it. It reminded me of Shawn vs Mankind IYH 96 where they were coming close to having a perfect match but the ending dropped it a point i'd still give both (****3/4) though
Rock and Triple h rivalry in 2000 worked so well, Wwf was so super lucky to have them without Austin at the time, backlash 2000 and the iron match the month later were amazing!
Yes l think they had the two matches after WrestleMania, at Backlash and Iron Man match Judgment Day 2000, when they both looked like huge main event stars, after a long time trying hard to make Triple H main event but it maybe not quite happening…
@@Bama20512they f'd up on bookong so many matches/events looking back at that Era now as a 34 year old, but it was still great. To be able to go back and re-book some of the classic matches and feuds would be great, especially the Alliance/Invasion angle. They only had to wait about 6 to 10 months and they could of had the NWO and Goldberg and they should of offered Sting and assured him he wasn't gonna grt buried like when The Rock said to Booker T 'who in the blue hell are you'. If just a few of the top guys put their ego's to the side and told Vince to do the same the whole entire Invasion Angle could of been Dream Match after Dream Match. Regarding Wrestlemania 2000 it should of been Rock vs Triple H, but I think they wanted to let Mick Foley Main Event Mania as he was retiring and guaranteed Triple H would of been in Stephanie's ear and Vince's about how he should go over at Mania.
2000 was probably the most over year overall, meaning the entire card was over. Austin and the top acts carried the wwf through 98 and 99, people often forget how bad some of those Russo-era undercards were
UA-cam loves to censor, they don't even let me post comments without putting them into some limbo to make sure everything I say fits their agenda or doesn't offend anyone of any group
I think that bit at the end is the most important aspect of wrestling Jim could mention. Kayfabe isn't necessarily about trying to convince the world everything is real, its more about consistently putting a drop of doubt into how fake it is. Vince and WWE seemed to take on this mindset that since the curtain is pulled back a little, lets go ahead and pull it all the way back... when really all the had to do was put another curtain behind the first curtain.
@@roccojamison89gooker51 It was gunna be.. but very time Vince went behind the curtain somebody else had to sign an NDA, so they could never release the episode.
@@jamalwalker04 ehhh, yes and no... Vince could have avoided a lot of that controversy. I think ultimately he didn't care if it was exposed, because it took a lot of pressure off of him creatively and allowed him to turn wrestling into the 70's style variety show he always wanted it to be. Triple-H and Rock right now are doing it exactly how Vince could have done it all along.
Thank you Jim for calling out Freddie Prince Jr for contributing absolutely Fuck All to these programs. The guy was in for a cup of coffee and acts like an integral part of Wrestling.
Yeah, I get shocked every time I see older stuff and see all the low and mid carders looked like monsters! Case and point, Billy Gunn! He was a low-mid carder and we all saw him that way. We see him now in AEW tower over everyone else and he looks like he should be the champion
Jim is right...Raw is not "raw" anymore -- it is overproduced. Go back and watch the first episode of Raw -- small venue, shoestring budget, little production value. Totally changed now.
The Rock vs Triple H was one of the best rivalries in wrestling. I still watch their matches and promos on each other to this day. The are like the term " The opposite side of the same coin."
Backlash 2000 is my personal favorite Rock/Triple H match. Stone Cold kicking the entire Corporation’s ass right when you thought the Rock was dead was classic
everytime i watch older matches from the 80/90s i always say the same thing Jim is saying here, the moves look violent/painful. I think pro wrestling today is too safe. you don’t gotta drop guys on their necks but put some force in the moves. Even irish whips looked so much better back then.
Jim Cornett is all over the place with this bs He says he wants wrestling to be more sports base and make it look real but when guys try and make it look real he hates it because they are Stephanie each other well didn’t they do that back in his day to a degree?
@@flyguy7825 i think the problem is Jim wants ring psychology also. If you do devastating spots , make it make sense don’t just do it randomly cuz it’ll get a cheap pop.
@@Tittymaster Bro. Reckless stunts have been in professional wrestling since I can remember he's never criticized other wrestlers like Mick Foley and Terry Funk really for doing it. He seems to have super negative energy for AEW guys, then he does the Mick Foley's, the Terry Fox and the ECW people. Oh yeah and he also was in ECW for a little bit and he also employed guys who did hardcore s*** did people forget that new Jack got his start?
It was nasty looking, stupid unnecessary bump, It was hard to watch (not because of the sell, because it looked disgusting) the set up looked phony as well. It was Sting's final match and everyone would have remembered it, even without the bump.
his reaction to Darby's latest attempt to cripple himself.. Darby is an idiot, if ppl think the Hardy's are broken down, imagine what Darby will be if he makes it to 50
So ready for WWE to have a new sit down interview with the Rock, for the past couple of years they've been using that same interview of Rock wearing that Team Bring It shirt lol
it's funny A&E ran those Biographies that didn't have panels and actually concentrated on telling thorough stories of their personal lives getting into wrestling and actually wrestling. we're just in a different era now. I'm in agreement the panel adds nothing and I'm glad they finally said it though. 🤣
@@oddishhonor I never saw those on the network but wow then lol. I still blame Kevin Dunn for all of this, his efforts to make wrestling not wrestling.
So interesting to hear their early WWF appearances and progress being talked about, as l remember them both pretty well. I still remember all it took was one interview with The Nation when The Rock was just standing there preening, raising the eyebrow, and rolling his eyes and pulling faces while Faarooq was talking, and Jerry Lawler on commentary was cackling with delight, for me to think my God he’s going to be an absolute megastar! My memory of Triple H was that it actually took a LOT to get him as an individual over. Even while DX was massively over, even when he was the leader, Triple H by himself was actually less popular and less over than everyone else, X Pac, the Outlaws, Chyna, and it took another couple of years and a lot of big wins over The Rock and Austin, plus getting twice the size he used to be, to make him main event.
That and the nickname “The Game” which really made him seem like this master manipulator opportunist slimeball who you loved to hate. Like Iago from Othello. (And the amazing song by motorhead helped too)
Jim & Brian with Sting's retirement happening at Revolution one thing I've always wondered is what would have happened if Sting and Ultimate Warrior's career paths had switched with Warrior going to WCW and Sting going to the WWF back in 1988? I think that history would change drastically as Sting would have become an even bigger star than he already was as he would have possibly main-evented against Hogan at WrestleMania 6. He would have been the one of faces of the WWF from the late 80s to likely the late 2000s as well we would have gotten like Sting vs The Rock, Sting vs Shawn Michaels, Sting vs Undertaker and of course opponents he faced in WCW Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, and Ric Flair. While on the Warrior side, he would have likely been World champion at some point however with the attitude he presented he might have not gotten the push he got in the WWF from Vince. Also as a result of this would Warrior end up in TNA like Sting did and would Sting ever go to AEW. I'm so curious what your guy's thoughts are and what you think wrestling would have been like if the roles were reversed as it's something I've always wondered about. I hope you answer my question on the Drive-Thru because I want to hear your thoughts on this What if in wrestling history.
I think if they switched spots, neither one of them would have been as over as they got. Warrior wouldn't have really done anything in WCW as he didn't have the Vince machine pushing him to the moon. Now on the flip side, I don't see Sting in late 80s/90s being that guy like Warrior was. Sting would have been a good mid card guy (Perfect, Bret, HBK at the time), but he would have never beaten Hulk for the belt. I think if they both switched spots, neither one of them would be the legends that they are today
@@ManimalPatBhowever, with all of that said, I think Sting would have had a better opportunity for success later on in WWF, especially with Hogan on the outs in 1993.
I’m sure l’ve heard Jim muse about this very scenario on these podcasts. I’m sure he said Sting would have been fine in the WWF, but he couldn’t see Ultimate Warrior doing anything in the NWA/WCW, based on who was running it and booking it and what they could have come up with for him, plus his own character and attitude. Cornette thinks Ultimate Warrior was an ALL Vince creation, probably the first.
Why are they blaming the Connecticut Blueblood gimmick on Vince? Triple H was doing basically the same gimmick before WWF with the name Jean-Paul Levesque.
The fact that it originated in WCW doesn't mean Vince didn't wanna keep it under a different name. Creative back then can still definitely be to blame for it.
@@josephedrictiamson Um by walked away you mean Hollywood called and saw the charisma Rock had an he became bigger than any wrestler ever has. Triple H stayed because he had nowhere else to go and he already married the boss’s daughter.
Triple H is The Rock's 2nd best rival after Stone Cold. That always seemed to be the story of Triple Hs career lol. He was actually one of my favorites. Idk why, he was good, his stuff looked good and it made sense, it just felt boring at times. He stretched out his matches too long and they say to let it breathe, but he gave his matches too much oxygen they died of oxygen poisoning. The big moments, high spots and the finishes of Triple H matches or segments were always good tho. It's just getting there that was always a journey in itself 😅
I always thought that original Rocky outfit was downright dangerous. Remember this was a time before smoking bans and that thing looked like it would go up like the 4th of July if it got so much as a whiff of a naked flame.
Brian was pretty quiet this show. No one talks non stop with more facts better than Corny. Proud to be a Huge Jim Cornette fan, minus politics. Jim knows Wrestling History better than anyone, and is very relavent today. He and Brian make this the best show on UA-cam. Miss 90s wrestling. Recent coverage on Vince has been the best. 👍
5:30 "Like Heenan used to do" and also CURRENT HALL OF FAMER PAUL E HEYMAN Hopefully, Cornette who was the first announcer on "Smackdown" TV with Cole can get a similar nod, as a similar benefit to the entire wrestling business (i.e. booking for The Rock)
Johnny Sameface is an embarrassment, he doesn't come across as a full grown adult wrestler talking about people who came before him, he sounds like a 10 year old
The show is literally on peacock without the panel. They’re just recycling an old show and added the panel with Freddie Prince Jr for no reason but to fluff out the show
The rise of UFC and MMA changed the fanbase of pro wrestling. Before around 2010ish if you wanted to watch men fight you could watch Boxing or Pro Wrestling. The UFC became the place where you go to watch violence and fighting so if that's what got you in the front door in past decades, that door doesn't even open now. My first memory of pro wrestling was somebody getting smashed in the head a cage door that l learned later did actually knock him stupid. But that's what made me as a kid go HE KILLED THAT GUY! and keep watching these two guys fight.
I enjoy the Rivals show but the panel has gotten even more worthless that it was before. I'd keep Prinze Jr as a narrator and host but I'd ditch the panel segments.
I wished the Mania 16 main event was a 1 on 1 grudge match fight between Rock and Triple H. That would have made thier feud more memorable and important. I dont count their Judgement Day Iron Man match as the big singles match because of the shenanigans at the end.
If someone could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated......Where did Corny come up with "Sane Face?" I've listened to him since he's started and still don't know where that on came from? 🤣
If Jim were to watch Freddie Prinze Jr's interview with Chris Van Vliet he'd have a different opinion of him. He's legit. He won't watch it of course, but if anyone hasn't it's worth the view.
My favourite rivalry in wrestling history. Was obsessed with Rock, hated Triple H. Backlash 2000 was the best match and most anticipated win of all time.
@@frostedbutts4340 Yep and well deserved. At least Sting wore a shirt. That dumb fuck Darby had to coffin drop on top of the ladder bare back on glass.
Triple H as the heel to the biggest babyfaces in the attitude era was awesome - I’m not sure anyone can compare to his body of work across face/heel fueds, factions and championships.
I don't get why this is so hard to understand for Jim...the audience isn't old farts, its modern day wrestling fans. They put current people on because the current fan base doesn't know who tf the legends are. It is, what it is.
I hope Jim and Brian review the Nine Lives of Hulk Hogan episode on VICE. There was some really stupid shit said in that show like Hogan being able to go into a 7/11 and get chicks.
I think people underestimate how much the arena set up influences perception of the product... the ringside area now is huge and looks sterile af... back with the old style the guard rails were closer, you could actually see the people in the first few rows through the bars, and there were crew people around the ring doing stuff... it felt active, like a sports crowd going to a sports event... now it just looks like a stage set filmed in front of a live audience.
A much underrated comment
Absolutely accurate
Whats crazy is i got my girlfriend to start watchin wrestling with me and we watched this year’s royal rumble and some other ppv. Then i showed her matches in 97-99 with rock, bret, hbk, Austin, hhh etc. she can even see the difference in execution in moves, ring psychology. They made it look as real as possible (some things obviously have there limitations) and didn’t look so choreographed
The smoke from pyro and camera flashes. I miss it so much boys
@@kant5696 exactly. it's painfully obvious. It's an entire generation of wrestlers who work actual matches in front of crowds like they are just fckin around running spots in a training school, and they don't even realize it.
It seems like Triple-H is slowly trying to reestablish some of those old aspects of wrestling, but the biggest hurdle is going to be getting all these smart marks to stop whining and just watch the show for a little while. All of them are so busy to nit-picking "booking" (that don't actually understand,) that they aren't even watching the shows to notice that it is slowly becoming pro-wrestling again.
It was odd that they left out the Judgment Day 2000 iron man match, which was pretty much their last big singles match.
60 minutes Rock 1 hour
That was their best match
It was probably omitted by mistake thinking it would be an episode of CBS 60 Minutes.
@@jamesmorant1406finish was garbage
@@louio I still love that match but you're fight the finish dropped it. It reminded me of Shawn vs Mankind IYH 96 where they were coming close to having a perfect match but the ending dropped it a point i'd still give both (****3/4) though
I can’t wait for the rivals episode of Jim cornette vs AEW
Corny vs Russo.
AEW haters today vs. themselves a year ago
Hosted by CM Punk
Or The Rock vs. Brian Last
It'd be over before the first commercial break. Total squash match
That old rocky miavia hair looks like tony khans hair now lol
When I see Tony Khan I have to say Jason Sensation still has it.
Rock and Triple h rivalry in 2000 worked so well, Wwf was so super lucky to have them without Austin at the time, backlash 2000 and the iron match the month later were amazing!
I give Rocky more credit than HHH for WWF success in 2000 due to being the top babyface
@@fc775 yeah of course but every hot Babyface needs an equally hot heel to get over and triple h was hated enough for that
@@phantomsidious2934 99-01 Triple H was a brilliant heel.
HHH looks like a magician with his current head on his OG Connecticut Blue Blood attire 😅
What's missing is a whip and a wooden chair
to look like a lion trainer.
Hugh Jackman in The Greatest Showman.
The honourable magician
Not Paul "The Prestige" Levesque 😭😭😭😭
We need a WWE Rivals: Triple H vs. Alex Wright the Big Bratwurst
Just takes me back to 2000 where they both thrived without Austin around and really transcended them both. 2000 Rock was over as fuck every week
Those were the most entertaining shows ever. Austin and Rock were at the top of their games, and Vince interacted with them perfectly.
Yes l think they had the two matches after WrestleMania, at Backlash and Iron Man match Judgment Day 2000, when they both looked like huge main event stars, after a long time trying hard to make Triple H main event but it maybe not quite happening…
Still baffles me they didn’t just have Rock and HHH 1 on 1 at WM 2000
@@Bama20512they f'd up on bookong so many matches/events looking back at that Era now as a 34 year old, but it was still great. To be able to go back and re-book some of the classic matches and feuds would be great, especially the Alliance/Invasion angle. They only had to wait about 6 to 10 months and they could of had the NWO and Goldberg and they should of offered Sting and assured him he wasn't gonna grt buried like when The Rock said to Booker T 'who in the blue hell are you'. If just a few of the top guys put their ego's to the side and told Vince to do the same the whole entire Invasion Angle could of been Dream Match after Dream Match. Regarding Wrestlemania 2000 it should of been Rock vs Triple H, but I think they wanted to let Mick Foley Main Event Mania as he was retiring and guaranteed Triple H would of been in Stephanie's ear and Vince's about how he should go over at Mania.
2000 was probably the most over year overall, meaning the entire card was over. Austin and the top acts carried the wwf through 98 and 99, people often forget how bad some of those Russo-era undercards were
Censoring the word "sucked"? If that's a UA-cam rule, then they're even more out of hand than I thought.
It hurts monetization if "harsh" words are used in the first like 90 seconds
You can't say anything "sexual or close to" even though there's predators and "naked yoga" and on this site 🤦🏻🤷🏻
@NIITR0NIICEA that reminds me... I haven't seen any "girl with cleavage starts a fire with sticks" shorts lately.
The guidelines are stronger than freedom of speech.
UA-cam loves to censor, they don't even let me post comments without putting them into some limbo to make sure everything I say fits their agenda or doesn't offend anyone of any group
WWE needs their old style back from the arenas, to the staging, to the ring announcers and to the whole production
Thank you someone finally said it, I know we're in a different era & ppl say get with the times but damn man i hate those set's freakin cartoony.
Atleast for the PPV events or the throwback raws/ smackdowns
I think that bit at the end is the most important aspect of wrestling Jim could mention. Kayfabe isn't necessarily about trying to convince the world everything is real, its more about consistently putting a drop of doubt into how fake it is.
Vince and WWE seemed to take on this mindset that since the curtain is pulled back a little, lets go ahead and pull it all the way back... when really all the had to do was put another curtain behind the first curtain.
Suprised this was not done on a special Home and Garden episode WWE edition on Home Decor.
@@roccojamison89gooker51 It was gunna be.. but very time Vince went behind the curtain somebody else had to sign an NDA, so they could never release the episode.
the problem was that the Sports Commission basically forced vice to pull it all the way back along with the internet
@@jamalwalker04 ehhh, yes and no... Vince could have avoided a lot of that controversy. I think ultimately he didn't care if it was exposed, because it took a lot of pressure off of him creatively and allowed him to turn wrestling into the 70's style variety show he always wanted it to be.
Triple-H and Rock right now are doing it exactly how Vince could have done it all along.
Thank you Jim for calling out Freddie Prince Jr for contributing absolutely Fuck All to these programs. The guy was in for a cup of coffee and acts like an integral part of Wrestling.
He Ain't All That.
disagree completely. I like Freddie Prince Jr. I think he does a good job with these episodes.
He's a celebrity who the WWE want. its an entertainment company so don't watch if don't like.
@@chuckles9767 k mark
@@chuckles9767Your a mark, he's a mark, I'm a mark, your dogs a mark, you wifes boyfriends a mark. We're all marks
Can't wait for jim reaction to paul haymen is in the wwe hall of fame of 2024
Heard Wyatt is going in too..
I wonder if Kevin Dunn is going to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame 2024
He would jab at Heyman for abit before compliments Heyman for his HOF induction
Jim should be the one to induct Heyman 😂
Yeah, I get shocked every time I see older stuff and see all the low and mid carders looked like monsters! Case and point, Billy Gunn! He was a low-mid carder and we all saw him that way. We see him now in AEW tower over everyone else and he looks like he should be the champion
Jim is right...Raw is not "raw" anymore -- it is overproduced. Go back and watch the first episode of Raw -- small venue, shoestring budget, little production value. Totally changed now.
Nothing beats Vince shouting over that siren
The Rock vs Triple H was one of the best rivalries in wrestling. I still watch their matches and promos on each other to this day. The are like the term " The opposite side of the same coin."
Anyone remember "The Ringmaster" for Stone Cold LOL
WWE Rivals: "Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Savio Vega: The Master of the Dreaded Nerve Pinch.
Those secret meeting segments were from so long ago, Renee was still there, and Bayley was thin.
Backlash 2000 is my personal favorite Rock/Triple H match. Stone Cold kicking the entire Corporation’s ass right when you thought the Rock was dead was classic
Should have been wrestlemania 2000 main event. Massive missed opportunity that
There are "this is awesome" chants when someone picks a wedgie these days because modern fans have never known what a good wrestling show looks like.
to be fair, it is satisfying to pick a wedgie, so they have a point
WWE Rivals: WWE Modern Fans vs. WWE Attitude Era, Ruthless Aggression Era, and Hulkamania Era Fans
everytime i watch older matches from the 80/90s i always say the same thing Jim is saying here, the moves look violent/painful. I think pro wrestling today is too safe. you don’t gotta drop guys on their necks but put some force in the moves. Even irish whips looked so much better back then.
Jim Cornett is all over the place with this bs He says he wants wrestling to be more sports base and make it look real but when guys try and make it look real he hates it because they are Stephanie each other well didn’t they do that back in his day to a degree?
Yet people get injured now more than ever.
@@flyguy7825 They are doing reckless stunts, that's something different than working stiff.
@@flyguy7825 i think the problem is Jim wants ring psychology also. If you do devastating spots , make it make sense don’t just do it randomly cuz it’ll get a cheap pop.
@@Tittymaster Bro. Reckless stunts have been in professional wrestling since I can remember he's never criticized other wrestlers like Mick Foley and Terry Funk really for doing it. He seems to have super negative energy for AEW guys, then he does the Mick Foley's, the Terry Fox and the ECW people. Oh yeah and he also was in ECW for a little bit and he also employed guys who did hardcore s*** did people forget that new Jack got his start?
Waiting for corny’s response to Darby allin
It was nasty looking, stupid unnecessary bump, It was hard to watch (not because of the sell, because it looked disgusting) the set up looked phony as well.
It was Sting's final match and everyone would have remembered it, even without the bump.
@@jeffmendez02 the aftermath was obscene. His arm looked shredded.
his reaction to Darby's latest attempt to cripple himself.. Darby is an idiot, if ppl think the Hardy's are broken down, imagine what Darby will be if he makes it to 50
FP jr wrote for WWE for like 8 months, so you know, an “expert”
Nice to see someone collaborate Mick Foley's story about the wrestlers taking over their gimmicks and that leading to the success of the atitude era.
I'm surprised they didn't mention Meltzer's 10 year old Rock/HHH hype footage was shown.
NFL Films has the same problem with the talking heads, particularly with the unknown comedians who aren't funny.
So ready for WWE to have a new sit down interview with the Rock, for the past couple of years they've been using that same interview of Rock wearing that Team Bring It shirt lol
People have to realize they not telling stories for us old heads these shows are for new fans that don't know the history
Dave Meltzer.
it's funny A&E ran those Biographies that didn't have panels and actually concentrated on telling thorough stories of their personal lives getting into wrestling and actually wrestling. we're just in a different era now. I'm in agreement the panel adds nothing and I'm glad they finally said it though. 🤣
@@mecha2001it’s an old network show with the panel added to it that’s why it feels weird lol.
@@oddishhonor I never saw those on the network but wow then lol. I still blame Kevin Dunn for all of this, his efforts to make wrestling not wrestling.
@@mecha2001 if you have peacock or the network, look up the show of the same name and it should be there.
I broke out in a roumpious laugh. When I saw Gargano. Johny Same Face is on point 😂
Freddy is or will be 48yrs old in a few days I think he is old enough to have seen wrestling during the late 80s and 90s to be fair
Hbk vs the rock would have been an exceptional dream match at wrestlemania . It’s a real shame it never happened.
Would've been better than that awful 4 way we got
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I LOL’d with the thumbnail. The old attire with current look is hilarious
This is what Dave Meltzer's main event looks like for the upcoming Wrestlemania.
@@MariuszMroczek-dd7ku You mean Dave Meltzer's main event for Wrestlelamia
The youngs bucks vs cm punk
The actors who play the young bucks will be Evan Eckenrode and Peter Dinklage
Man 99-02 triple H was a physical fucking specimen and was so diabolical he had nuclear heat. Arguably one of the best body guys ever
What is so ironic or telling is how the rock and HHH were rivals are now essentially running the wwe.
So interesting to hear their early WWF appearances and progress being talked about, as l remember them both pretty well. I still remember all it took was one interview with The Nation when The Rock was just standing there preening, raising the eyebrow, and rolling his eyes and pulling faces while Faarooq was talking, and Jerry Lawler on commentary was cackling with delight, for me to think my God he’s going to be an absolute megastar! My memory of Triple H was that it actually took a LOT to get him as an individual over. Even while DX was massively over, even when he was the leader, Triple H by himself was actually less popular and less over than everyone else, X Pac, the Outlaws, Chyna, and it took another couple of years and a lot of big wins over The Rock and Austin, plus getting twice the size he used to be, to make him main event.
That and the nickname “The Game” which really made him seem like this master manipulator opportunist slimeball who you loved to hate. Like Iago from Othello. (And the amazing song by motorhead helped too)
It's a damn shame we never saw them fight at wrestlemania
Jon's seriously punching above his weight with Renee Moxley Good :)
Crackheads attract similar
@@markroberts7521 Seriously dude?!
@@markroberts7521 Seriously dude?!
She gasses him up.
1. She's mid af. 2. She clearly has shit taste/decision making, which brings her from the midcard level down to enhancement talent 😂
Vince didn't give HHH the blue bood gimmick. That was his gimmick since his start in WCW.
And it was a perfect fit for him as a midcarder.
Jean Peal Levesque
Jim & Brian with Sting's retirement happening at Revolution one thing I've always wondered is what would have happened if Sting and Ultimate Warrior's career paths had switched with Warrior going to WCW and Sting going to the WWF back in 1988? I think that history would change drastically as Sting would have become an even bigger star than he already was as he would have possibly main-evented against Hogan at WrestleMania 6. He would have been the one of faces of the WWF from the late 80s to likely the late 2000s as well we would have gotten like Sting vs The Rock, Sting vs Shawn Michaels, Sting vs Undertaker and of course opponents he faced in WCW Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, and Ric Flair. While on the Warrior side, he would have likely been World champion at some point however with the attitude he presented he might have not gotten the push he got in the WWF from Vince. Also as a result of this would Warrior end up in TNA like Sting did and would Sting ever go to AEW. I'm so curious what your guy's thoughts are and what you think wrestling would have been like if the roles were reversed as it's something I've always wondered about. I hope you answer my question on the Drive-Thru because I want to hear your thoughts on this What if in wrestling history.
I think if they switched spots, neither one of them would have been as over as they got. Warrior wouldn't have really done anything in WCW as he didn't have the Vince machine pushing him to the moon. Now on the flip side, I don't see Sting in late 80s/90s being that guy like Warrior was. Sting would have been a good mid card guy (Perfect, Bret, HBK at the time), but he would have never beaten Hulk for the belt. I think if they both switched spots, neither one of them would be the legends that they are today
@@ManimalPatBhowever, with all of that said, I think Sting would have had a better opportunity for success later on in WWF, especially with Hogan on the outs in 1993.
I’m sure l’ve heard Jim muse about this very scenario on these podcasts. I’m sure he said Sting would have been fine in the WWF, but he couldn’t see Ultimate Warrior doing anything in the NWA/WCW, based on who was running it and booking it and what they could have come up with for him, plus his own character and attitude. Cornette thinks Ultimate Warrior was an ALL Vince creation, probably the first.
Not Warrior and Horace Hogan getting a 15 year head start on their faction 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour Only idiot trash spams stupid shitty emojis.
Why are they blaming the Connecticut Blueblood gimmick on Vince? Triple H was doing basically the same gimmick before WWF with the name Jean-Paul Levesque.
The fact that it originated in WCW doesn't mean Vince didn't wanna keep it under a different name. Creative back then can still definitely be to blame for it.
I noticed they got jacked in their 40s compared to their 20s.
Do they not know Freddy was a writer for wwe for awhile?
We ALL know hunter was ALWAYS jealous of Rocky!
Shut up Jabroni, you're jealous of Hunter.
But who stayed and who walked away?
@@josephedrictiamson Um by walked away you mean Hollywood called and saw the charisma Rock had an he became bigger than any wrestler ever has. Triple H stayed because he had nowhere else to go and he already married the boss’s daughter.
@@nickisactorThey cant respond to that lol.
Absolutely correct 💯
Those guys were better workers, HHH does not get the credit he deserve,He was great heel, And he was over has a face.
Saw it yesterday.. honestly it lacked of content and indeed the panel was as useful as an asshole on my elbow.
The rock vs HHH at backlash 2000 is the greatest match in WWE history
Triple H is The Rock's 2nd best rival after Stone Cold. That always seemed to be the story of Triple Hs career lol.
He was actually one of my favorites. Idk why, he was good, his stuff looked good and it made sense, it just felt boring at times. He stretched out his matches too long and they say to let it breathe, but he gave his matches too much oxygen they died of oxygen poisoning. The big moments, high spots and the finishes of Triple H matches or segments were always good tho. It's just getting there that was always a journey in itself 😅
Can’t wait for Jim and Brian to review AEW Revolution and Media Scrum
I'm waiting for the real glass spot reaction. lol
Was Tony in top form last night?
@@jasonmoehl6994😂 🤡
HHH tried to go to the movies as well, fwiw. Blade Trinity. Hollywood just didn't want him lol.
Totally agree they should have a wrestling legend just talk over and commentate on the rivalry rather than what they do.
I always thought that original Rocky outfit was downright dangerous. Remember this was a time before smoking bans and that thing looked like it would go up like the 4th of July if it got so much as a whiff of a naked flame.
It was also a time when midcarders didn't get pyro and 5-minute entrances.
A rivalry that will literally never end
Brian was pretty quiet this show. No one talks non stop with more facts better than Corny. Proud to be a Huge Jim Cornette fan, minus politics. Jim knows Wrestling History better than anyone, and is very relavent today. He and Brian make this the best show on UA-cam. Miss 90s wrestling. Recent coverage on Vince has been the best. 👍
Jim alone makes this the best show on UA-cam.. the less Brian talks, the better
5:30 "Like Heenan used to do" and also CURRENT HALL OF FAMER PAUL E HEYMAN
Hopefully, Cornette who was the first announcer on "Smackdown" TV with Cole can get a similar nod, as a similar benefit to the entire wrestling business (i.e. booking for The Rock)
Damn I guess they’re not gonna talk about the Maxxine being booed situation I would’ve been hilarious hearing Jim tear them apart
They already talked about that. Did it happen again or something?
Jim Cornette did not "tear" anyone apart. Unfortunately
Hopefully Meltzer doesn't see the show,
otherwise we'll have to listen to conspiracy theories
for the next Wrestlemania again.
Melzter's probably having an aneurysm that the Cuckaroos renamed his finish the TK Driver and lost to Sting 😂😂😂😂
11:24 They became more of themselves Jim that’s what it was! They were allowed to put themselves in front of the camera!
Johnny Sameface is an embarrassment, he doesn't come across as a full grown adult wrestler talking about people who came before him, he sounds like a 10 year old
The show is literally on peacock without the panel. They’re just recycling an old show and added the panel with Freddie Prince Jr for no reason but to fluff out the show
They shoulda showed 60 minute iron match from judgment day 2000
I’m just waiting on Jim to shit on Darby
What did darbs do???
@@AustinHalfea stupid mudshow spot
The rise of UFC and MMA changed the fanbase of pro wrestling. Before around 2010ish if you wanted to watch men fight you could watch Boxing or Pro Wrestling. The UFC became the place where you go to watch violence and fighting so if that's what got you in the front door in past decades, that door doesn't even open now.
My first memory of pro wrestling was somebody getting smashed in the head a cage door that l learned later did actually knock him stupid. But that's what made me as a kid go HE KILLED THAT GUY! and keep watching these two guys fight.
When Austin was gone they carried the company
I hope they do Punk vs Cena. Jim missed a lot of Punk’s best work around 2011-2013 so a documentary would be a great insight into that time.
It was a good rivary. The ladder match between tripe H and rock at summer slam 1998 is my favorite.the backlash match is good.
Renee is a freaking weirdo dealing with Moxley
Freddy from scooby doo being a wrestling fan is pretty cool ngl
I enjoy the Rivals show but the panel has gotten even more worthless that it was before. I'd keep Prinze Jr as a narrator and host but I'd ditch the panel segments.
I wished the Mania 16 main event was a 1 on 1 grudge match fight between Rock and Triple H. That would have made thier feud more memorable and important. I dont count their Judgement Day Iron Man match as the big singles match because of the shenanigans at the end.
If someone could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated......Where did Corny come up with "Sane Face?" I've listened to him since he's started and still don't know where that on came from? 🤣
It's "same face"
This show had to be in the can for almost 18 months Renée signed with AEW on oct 12 2022
Did jim just teeter on saying hell to the no no?😂😂😂 I don't think the internet could handle it
In my opinion this is the best robbery in wrestling ever. They both started in the business together and both rose high in the business.
If Jim were to watch Freddie Prinze Jr's interview with Chris Van Vliet he'd have a different opinion of him. He's legit. He won't watch it of course, but if anyone hasn't it's worth the view.
It so true... The panel is not needed...but it's wild that...Die Rocky Die means so much..even affecting a segment on Smackdown..
Brian just HAD to get his Rock diss in on the vid. It’s desperate at this point😂
WWF Monday Night Raw
Intercontinental Championship
Rocky Maivia vs Hunter Hearst Helmsley
To be fair freddie printz was behind the scenes in WWE much like Cornette was during his time.
Can't wait for Tony Khan vs Media Scrum rivals
My favourite rivalry in wrestling history. Was obsessed with Rock, hated Triple H. Backlash 2000 was the best match and most anticipated win of all time.
Wait, why censor "suck pond water"?
8:12 💀💀💀
Why it takes so long .new episodes
Besides Freddy Prince , they can include JaRule.
Can't wait to hears Jims thoughts on Sting's last match.
That ladder spot is going to cause about 5 minutes of swearing lmao
@@frostedbutts4340 Yep and well deserved. At least Sting wore a shirt. That dumb fuck Darby had to coffin drop on top of the ladder bare back on glass.
I must admit, back in the days, i liked HHH, maybe it was his entrance Music, i liked it but also liked seeing him get soiled by Godwins Bucket
Oh Jesus Cornette doesn't know Freddie Prinze Jr. was a WWE writer.
Triple H as the heel to the biggest babyfaces in the attitude era was awesome - I’m not sure anyone can compare to his body of work across face/heel fueds, factions and championships.
Freddy Prinze is annoying AF. I prefer O’Shea
HIs wife still looks great. That's all I can say.
I prefer Shaggy.
I don't get why this is so hard to understand for Jim...the audience isn't old farts, its modern day wrestling fans. They put current people on because the current fan base doesn't know who tf the legends are. It is, what it is.
Freddie Prince Jr was a writer for WWE I think?
Yes he was
Cup of coffee and he’s been squeezing it for all he can since then
Thought it was Red Herring.
DDS Yankum to Kane
Best example
Be better if you took videos instead of audio, I hate audio
Freddie Prize Gellar is an absolute wet wipe.
Fred Jones.
The panel is the reason I don't watch the rivals show. It just gets in the way.
I hope Jim and Brian review the Nine Lives of Hulk Hogan episode on VICE. There was some really stupid shit said in that show like Hogan being able to go into a 7/11 and get chicks.
I hate how they barley talk about the actual subject
Can’t for the Darby reaction
15 cents of Chinese money phrase should be on a T-shirt
WAY TO GO TRAVIS 😊