Tasmania increases native logging harvest area as other states wind it back | 7.30
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2023
- Sawmilling businesses in Victoria are adapting after the shock announcement two months ago that the state government is bringing native timber logging to an early close.
The decision to ban logging in state forests has sent mill owners searching further afield for logs. This story from reporter Ellen Coulter and producer Nicole Asher.
Editor's note: This story included a claim that 4,500 direct jobs would be lost when the Victorian Government ends native timber harvesting on public land. That figure is incorrect and instead reflects estimates of the total number of direct jobs supported by the Victorian timber industry.
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I remember driving across a bridge in Tasmania years ago, there was a semi like the one in the thumbnail coming slowly up the rise from the opposite direction with one enormous tree bough on the trailer. Cars were banked up behind it and I watched thinking it seemed like a funeral procession. It makes me sad to think about it even though forty years have passed.
A rule of thumb for forestry's sustainability should be - can it keep up supply with existing plantations? If there is a constant need to expand into old growth forests as a supplement to plantations, then the industry isn't viable over the long term.
Yeah everyone has been attacking them for stopping it early, when if you look at the numbers , the industry has been in decline since the 90's. the costs no longer outweigh the benefits.
I've been confused for decades about the economics of Australia's timber industry. Why does it need to use old growth wilderness instead of plantation timbers? Can't the industry have planned plantation sources? Apparently it works in South Australia and in Western Australian pine plantations. Or have they just go so used to sources from public lands. 😞
In WA Bunnings is full of NZ timber.
How long does it take to grow a hard wood tree? They probably need too long for governments (which should be planning long term strategic but instead are short sighted focusing on elections and flip due to change of parties and pandering to votes and corruption) and too long term for businesses.
I looked it up and found a source saying it takes 30-50 years for optimal harvesting. That’s a long time horizon for a business and (in reality) for a government. We need the government to get behind sustainability and that won’t happen unless they’ll lose or win elections on it. So we need public pressure demanding it. The government could mandate it to happen and incentivise the industry. It could be a real win.
The environment would be protected due to farming vs damaging native forests. The businesses would have a business still. Their would only be sustainable sources so it can’t be undercut by cheaper destructive sources (excluding imports). The higher costs would increase building costs which would increase property prices so homeowners who are the largest voting cohort will be happy. The biggest benefit is it will be green and sustainable. We could export it.
Sadly I think it's a mixed bag. We buy teak outdoor furniture from nearby tropical forests from our S. E. Asian neighbours. Also in fairness, that story mentioned some of the harvested wood was plantation. But, as another commenter mentioned, other states only harvest plantation wood. These warnings from scientists about our disappearing species and habitat as well as global warming has been serious since the 1970s. That's more than 50 years. I don't particularly like to hear timber workers say it's all very well for we city folk. I'm up to my third career. My 91 year old mother started out making plastic rulers when she was 17 in a factory, did 3 degrees after having 2 kids and retired at 76 having had 5 different careers. City people do plenty of career changing. I could mention plenty of people who have done similar life changes so they could feed their families, and not always with the government help which is only fair for timber workers, coal workers and others who need to change for the sake of our own children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and this incredible country and world which is the only one we've got. I know to some folk who don't think this way, that we sound whiny to them. But facts are facts. This planet is changing in truly perilous ways. And faster than scientists predicted precisely because we haven't done anything for so long. Everyone can whine until nothing is left. How smart is that? I'd say not at all. (I'm referring to the objectors in the story btw)
Where do you start plantations?
Hardwood takes much longer to grow before it's ready to harvest than pine. Normally in Vic coupes were cut after 70-80 years then the leftovers burnt to re-seed the area, in theory this is a sustainable practice if you're sufficiently cautious about wildlife and what areas you log but naturally mismanagement etc compromises it.
All old-growth logging should cease in Australia now.
Why did Victoria not plant more trees to harvest before stopping All timber??
Why didn’t these timber mills start there own plantations years ago? There was a timber mill in smithton, NW Tasmania, saying they had been around for 100 years and they shouldn’t be cut out of the resource. My question is why didn’t they start plantations 100 years ago? The answer is it’s cheaper just to cut down public owned forests than manage their own plantations.
How long is a sustainable mill sustainable when they run out of trees to cut?????🤔
Plant some trees thirty years ago
I hope that Australia really does stop logging of native trees
It’s sad to see people so dependent on jobs. They will cut down a forest just to get a couple heads of lettuce
Planting short rotation pine or blue gum provides different products to appearance grade hardwood, so you cannot compare many existing plantations because they do not provide hardwood sawlogs. Hardwood requires longer rotations and less return. If the Vic Gov were serious about plantations then they would be working with growers to develop them, not simply closing the industry down. There is no question about if we will need to import timber now. Despite no mammal species going extinct in Australia (and likely many other taxa I just haven't seen the data) due to timber harvesting we are ok with swapping it for timber from another countries' unregulated logging.
How is this still legal, Tasmanian government should be ashamed 🤬
Please stop the logging
The loss of bird and animal habitat in Tasmania, Victoria and NSW is now critical, and it has been for many years. These workers just must get their minds around a different way of going forth with the help of government of course. We cannot keep up this rate of loss of species when we know what causes it. (eg: swifts parrots are on the brink of extinction, they nest in Tasmania in winter and live in Victoria and NSW in summer in old growth forests). In the 2019 East Coast fires we lost *3 billion* animals and birds. We simply cannot keep ravaging our environment when these workers can retrain in other planet friendly jobs.
Farmers/forestry used to be able to burn responsibility and put in fire breaks, without it the lot goes up.
They aren’t complaining they can’t log. They are complaining about the increased completion and the unfairness as it is subsidised and the hypocrisy. Victoria banned logging but still has milling. So instead chopping down Victorian trees they are chopping down Tasmanian trees. They are still chopping down trees just somewhere else. And they got compensated by Victoria so they are cashed up to out bid Tasmanians. Either way Tasmanian trees are getting chopped but not by Tasmanians. The end result will be Victorian millers will still be in business have gotten free money from Vic gov and put Tasmanian companies out of business, under the guise of being environmentally friendly whilst chopping down old growth in Tasmania. Not really that fair.
The government should be protecting Tasmanian forests as well and should be getting businesses to grow hard wood plantations as well. All of Australian should be sustainable and not just export their problem to someone else by importing the supply.
If Victoria wanted to be sustainable they’d not just ban logging but the importation of logs - at least those from unsustainable sources. They’d mandate only lumber can come from plantations. Problem is it takes 30-50 years to grow hardwood. The government needs to incentivise planting today so 40 years from now demand can be met from plantations rather than old growth.
In the meantime they need to manage it limiting damage and with fairness between states. They also need to ensure we are just going to import unsustainable wood from overseas.
The gov won’t do anything unless enough people demand it that they can lose an election over it.
@@alyssaoconnor and @anywhereroam9698 I think the issue is not to practice forestry the way it's been practiced in the past. I don't think it's helpful to say this, that and the other has to be done to overlay an already existing system. We need different building materials to start with. We need to elect people who understand the issues and actually care about policies which will revolutionise all the industries affecting climate change. First among those is fossil fuels. We don't need Barnaby Joyces or Peter Duttons and especially no Scott Morrisons who exist corruptly in the pockets of existing industries and companies. Everything has to be done and thought about differently imho. We're toast otherwise, our kids and grand kids and great grand kids will be black toast!
Trees save the planet.
Some of these loggers have been cutting down illegally. Why don’t they start planting some California pine like SA does and make some legit money
They should take away our greenies and leavve the trees for us
Lol, the hayfield mill produce those shitting benchtops they sell in bunnings - deffs low quality
I noticed that too. To be fair, they were pretty good for the price
@@CarbideEndMill yeh but their inconsistency meant that at my end I needed to send back 50% of what I consumed when it was dropped off. It was unacceptable for some clients and hence me unfortunately. I am glad I have closed down my furniture business tho just before covid. Things have changed so much.
Excellent, so at least some young Tasmanians will have a job.
If you was planting some trees. Not only taking them.
thats because Tasmania is the only place in the world left with trees. Humanity managed to wipe the earth clean in 100 years.
Are these folks complete and utter pillocks?
Yeah, your job is maybe at risk from the actions in another state.
Wait, what if we wreck everything and can't supply the same product in 5 years time?
Good on Tasmania for supporting the timber industry pity the main land doesn't
Love it when they get a point of view from a greenie, they say one thing in public and then chop the trees down on their own properties for a multimillion dollar view. Looks like Victoria needs to plant some trees and by the time they are ready to harvest the building industry might need them.
Leave it to the ABC to somehow blame Victoria for the problems in another state.
Is it any wonder Tasmania's economy is miles ahead of Victoria's.
Yes because logging is widely known to be Victoria’s most important industry
Drive through Tasmania, nothing but trees. You could employ all the worlds loggers and barely make a dent in the Forrest.
93% of all mountain ash has been wiped out. With plans to log half of the remaining 7%
We're getting sick and tired of your lies and manipulations.
And yet they are dead set on logging areas that are right next to tourist attractions - our only viable industry. What’s wild is that I am by no means a greeny and yet all this deforestation is actually impacting my ability to enjoy the state because it’s impacting mountain biking, it’s effecting our tourism industry, this means less investment into new trails and less money because there’s less demand.
It’s all well and good thinking short term pain of stopping logging but the long term effects of not stopping will be far greater. I say shut it down.
Stop all nature distroyer