Dovahkiin: "The hero of Kvatch? I haven’t heard about that man in a long time..." NPC: "You know the hero of Kvatch?" Dovahkiin: "Well of course I know him. He’s me!"
The Last Dragonborn: *dies* ... _opens eyes again_ Doc Mitchell: You're awake, how about that. Woah, easy there, easy. You've been out cold for a couple of days now. Why don't you just relax a second, get your bearings?
So basically, each protagonist of each Elder Scroll game is similar to the Spirit of the Hero, from the Legend of Zelda. An entity that is not generally reincarnated as a blood descendant, but is born in response to a future calamity. If Akatosh is the God of Time, and has claim over the protagonist's soul. Does that make the protagonist the Hero of Time? (Or Link?) *Mute Protagonist *Like small portable containers *Most notable trailer appearances are with sword and shield.
That's a silly reduction of Bethesda's storytelling. Dont get me wrong Bethesda deserves to be drug around till they put out another quality single player game. That being said, while the company may not know or care so much about the broad lore you can be certain the people they employ to catalogue the lore from their games certainly have a grasp of these concepts equal to any lore youtuber.
They literally are the lore lmao they know what they're doing when they do it and they have the lore based excuses for when they can't do things exact to the previous lore
@@firmanchristiansianturi4794 Nirn is his offspring - literally and metaphorically (though the two can interlap in TES' dream-logic). That or the races/species spawned on Nirn are all his offspring, if his death rattle "impregnated" it and we assume the Ehlnofey were the actual bones of Tamriel...
I do that sometimes When I play a Dark elf I give them the same family name, Uthian, Durthenan, and Lurien Kerbrar. But I don't always play A Dark elf I just have at least once in every game. Some times I'm in the mood to be a Breton or an Orc.
@mdx u ok there buddy? Arena i wont discuss much, it has flaws, but so do most rpgs of the early 90's. But Daggerfall was a technical masterpiece, it expanded on a rich universe. I prefer daggerfall and morrowind over skyrim mediocrity any day.
I have a theory that they're all aspects of the Dreamer - hence why the universe still seemingly revolves around them It's like the Dreamer taking form as a character within the dream, almost like Lucid Dreaming
Awesome idea!I headcannon that protagonists achieve some kind of Chim in their later lives after all the adventure and realise they are one with lorkan (and all the other heroes) and not more some powerfull mortals.Even if they are elves cuz not all the elves hate Lorkhan (dunmer specially) and He surely doesnt make didference between races,children of his creation and sacrifice.But your theory sounds even grandier...
Now I'm imagining a reluctant hero possessed by the trickster God rused into some antics that somehow end up saving nirn, with some straight man crazy man banter that just looks like he's talking to himself to others perspective.
The main protagonists of the series being Shezarines was a theory that I believed in at one point, as all of the different characters varying between race, gender, playstyle and choices across different possible timelines - represented by the different playthroughs of every one who has ever played an Elder Scrolls game - would fit Lorkhan's chaotic and unpredictable nature. This seems to be supported, or at least referenced in-universe, as Cyrus, the protagonist of The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard is said to be an incarnation of the Hoon Ding, which, conceptually is the Redguard equivalent of a Shezarine, as their God manifesting in mortal form to save the world in times of need. However, this theory changed for me a few years ago with the Clockwork City DLC for the Elder Scrolls Online, where at the end of the main questline, Sotha Sil refers to the player as The Prisoner, who is apparently a being of great power. While there are some characters in the series that on some level become aware that they're just characters in a video game series, like Vivec, Sotha Sil and Sheogorath, and this awareness gives them knowledge and powers that even deities in the universe don't have, such as them having knowledge of future events, which out of universe have already happened but haven't happened in-universe yet, such as Sheogorath in ESO referencing reassembling the Staff of Chaos and the Numidium, and Vivec in his sermons alluding to save states, being killed in one playthrough but then the player starting a new save file. However, while this makes them powerful, they're still bound by the rules of just being NPC's in a game and can't actually affect anything that happens. The Prisoner, meanwhile isn't bound by these limitations and can do things that no other being in this universe can do, such as stop time to instantly rearrange your gear and loadout, consume 50 cheese wheels in an instant to heal completely, go back in time on a whim to redo events and undo defeats - which makes them literally unbeatable - making every other person in the world stronger or weaker - by changing the difficulty. Some versions of the Prisoner can even do things like outright erase a being's existence, teleport somewhere else, or spawn objects and living things out of pure nothingness: aka, PC players using console commands. The title of Prisoner is a reference to every protagonist starting off as a prisoner in the beginning of the game. Plus, of every single Elder Scrolls game, including Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO, Legends, Blades, all of the phone games and more, ESO is the first game chronologically, making the Vestige the first incarnation of the Prisoner. In terms of power, the Prisoner, who reprsents the player, is second only to the Godhead, who represents Bethesda. While the players can make anything they want happen within their game file, Bethesda can make anything they want happen within the series as a whole. I know that this is getting really meta, but a lot of the Elder Scrolls lore is really meta. Listen to Sotha Sil's dialogue at the end of the Clockwork City DLC; it has a lot of meta commentary. He all but states that he doesn't really want to even be there talking to you, and the only reason he is is because he's scripted to appear at that stage of the questline. He's at the mercy of his programming and voice actor, and once the quests ends, since he doesn't have to be there anymore, he leaves. Notably, he's the only one of the Tribunal that you can't speak with at any time.
The Shezarrine is a HUMAN not an elf or beastfolk because Lorkhan is the God of Humans. The Hero of Kvatch, the Last Dragonborn, the Eternal Champion and the Hero of Daggerfall are believed to be Shezarrines because they were human beings. Lorkhan is the Enemy of Elves. Pelinal Whitestrake, Wulfharth, Zurin Arctus and Tiber Septim were all Shezarrines because they were Humans and they protected and led the human species against the elven species.
Yes I believe The Shezzarines existed. And that Lorkhan still has enough power to manifest in multiple people. I also am 99% certain the Nerevarine IS a shezzarine. And that Nerevar is a aspect of Shezar meaning the Neraverine DEFINITELY is a shezzarine. It was propheciezed he would return. What wasnt propheciezed is just how many times he would return. Moving on to the champion of Cyrodil, I believe Lorkhan never left him/her therefore Lorkhan and Sheogorath are now one being. Which would explain why Sheo in Skyrim was interested in repairing Pelagius's shattered psyche. It would also explain why Sheogorath in skyrim is much less "insane?" Because he is now 3 separate beings. Due to the curse of sheogorath, sheogorath HAS to exist. Therefore any who mantle him giggity HAVE to become sheogorath. There is no choice. You become Sheogorath you lose yourself. Now let's look at the parallels between Lorkhan and Jyggalag. Both of them were screwed by their respective sects, for evil or good or simply out of fear and anger. I dont know. Both were at one point so powerful, for different reasons, their respective groups Aedra and Daedra had to band together with their power to stop them. Now Jyggalag has left Sheo and Sheogorath is both CoC and Lorkhan. In other words, Lorkhan the trickster tricked Sheogorath!!!! How the fk does someone sheogorath??? Maybe he didnt. Sheogorath knew he didnt actually exist as his own being. He just wanted the Greymarch to stop. In other words, Sheogorath is the MANTLE OF MADNESS. Not the daedra of madness, he his the MANTLE. The TITLE. Going by this theory I think Lorkhan left TCOC just in time to avoid becoming madness itself but enough to to still have control over Tcoc. Therefore Lorkhan now has the full unbridled power of the mad god at his disposal, is DEFINITELY looking for his Heart, and if he finds it? Well, Lorkhan would be unstoppable. With the madness of sheogorath who is already a genius, the raw unbridled trickster incarnate that is Lorkhan, yeah it's safe to say that much power and deceit would be enough to bring the Aedra and Daedra together to stop him. But only after centuries of deceit. And that's how Elder Scrolls becomes Fallout
Lorkhan is actually a part of multiple gods, sheogorath, shor, and talos, maybe more idk, of course also the main characters and many other important individuals in the lore, he's a constant influence in everything
It's cool that the concept of dragon breaks alone is enough to make all theories about playable events in the ES saga true. Especially if you see that as a colliding of parallel universe (even one in which Fallout's Earth is a distant past/future version of planet Nirn)
the problem with elder scrolls lore is that you cant always rely on logic, some things just dont make sense but it doesnt matter anyway as it is a figment of the godhead's imagination
@@jonathanpilcher337 that seems like a very plausable theory, as the "user" (i use that term loosely related to tron) of these games You're always the same entity in control of these heroes. So dubbing the "user" as godhead dreaming the aubur and then lucidly injecting control over it using these shezzarines is exact parallel comparison whats happening irl
To be honest I always played my games as the same character. This would explain why they’re always in jail with no memory. Can you please do more Breton videos? Whether about their lore or their characterization. I always love your videos. Thank you so much.
Heard a sound theory that the Dragonborn was an aspect of Shor, who is also suppose to be Lorkin if I remember right. But the evidence hung on the Dragonborn being able to sit on Shor's throne in Sovngarde. Making the Dragonborn like a reincarnation of Shor.
I've read various fanfics where the protagonist of each game is the reincarnation of same entity (and i use entity cause sometimes they were never human in the first place but a piece/fragment/aspect of deity or something like that) and in a few cases they would remember their past lives. If you're wondering what fanfics have to do with the lore of TES then you never participated in a discussion about Apocryphas and Dragon breaks.
I would love to see a dialogue between Sheogorath and the LD in Skyrim. Sheogorath: You, I have never met you, yet you feel so familiar, like I know you. Like I always have been connected to you. LD: I don't know who you are
Or they're just the player character so they have to be "better" than the NPCs or the story wouldn't progress. At this point I doubt they are but future narrative might be written to "confirm" it.
Perhaps it isn’t a case of being an Aspect at all, but perhaps a case where each time Nirn is faced with a crisis, Lorkhan empowers individuals he sees as being in the best chance to stop it. Not fully being mantled, so the heroes are very much mortal, and such when the Hero mantled Sheogorath, Lorkhan merely stepped aside as he knew his influence wouldn’t be required anymore. For the Nereverine, it could still be the case, but perhaps rather than he himself influencing matters, he channels Nerevar himself to do so. It can really become very muddled and conflicted very quickly here. Though the so called “Last Dragonborn” would perhaps be a more “pure” case if you will of Lorkhan/Shor being more fully involved and perhaps manifesting in the character themselves, which is why Shor’s Throne is literally vacant and you are told you just can’t see him. Clearly, you would see nothing there if you two were one. Add on to being able to actually sit upon his Throne yourself, which could be further proof you truly are Ysmir (A title primarily) or it could just be an oversight by the devs to not program something to not allow you to use said Throne. So Lorkhan could manifest in various degrees depending on how much power he has at the time, or simply by how much involved he is needed to be with whichever crisis going on at the time.
That about Shor’s throne; is there anything in the lore or Skyrim itself that states that only Shor is capable of sitting on the throne? As in, is there some force preventing anyone other than Shor? Because, I mean, it’s just a large and fancy chair. If nothing is stated to be preventing it, then anyone could just sit down in it and only the LDB is rude enough.
I ve played all the games and in my head cannon They were all the same hero repeatedly reincarnated to sometimes accidentally. save the world. After all they are all played by me. I am working on alets play series where a family(atmoran/Nord) Family are the heros. Dad was the Nevarine, Mom was the Unnamed Hero From Legends. Older brother was the hero Of Kvatch. Grandp was Ysmir uncle was Ysgrimmor a cousin was the champion from arena . The agaent from Daggerfall etc. I am Patching all Lore from the Atmoran/ Wild Ehlnofey/Nord Point of view anmd Pantheon Yes I know Ysmir and Ysgrimmor are not playable hero's its just for the Playthrough Cannon Lots of Ideas And working on the mod lists and Video editing. I am going to be doing playthroughs of all the games tape and edit them . Not redguard I cant even get it to launch But I will be doing arena,(If I can get an old drive to get the disc to launch. Battlespire etc
If I'm correct it's stated the world is a godhead's imagination and you're that godhead who manifests themself through the shazzarines to influence the world
@@jonathanpilcher337 I like the way you think. It is not actually stated in the Canon lore...I think that was a Kirkbride statement that is generally accepted. Alot of Fudgemuppets and Avarti's stuff is Highly dependent on Kirkbride and non canonn sources. But enjoyable nontheless. But I tend to agree with Many things.
@@lharchmage6908 yea i follow whatever serious accepted lore there is, if its otherwise officially stated tes isn't a dream I'll accept that, although I'm pretty sure you're always a shezzarine and you're supposed to be lorkhan's influence either way
It would make sense for Lorkhan to manifest through these heroes of Tamriel. Nirn is his creation after all and I believe he does what he can to protect it.
He's a part of some gods too, sheogorath, shor, talos, and maybe more, he manifests himself through great heroes throughout the games and lore, basically he's a constant influence in everything
This theory could be extended further in that the player is Lorkhan and the character they control in each Elder Scrolls game is a Shezarrine and the time for which they are imbued with your power is the timeline of each game.
The way it sounds is that whenever there's problems in the world lorkhan will imbue an individual with the ability to overcome whatever challenges that will be put in place in order to solve those problems. In a sense taking a random NPC and making them a player character in the world.
This is funny, because every time I make an Elder Scrolls character I make him a vampire give him the same name, and create a backstory like he's the same guy in every game. It's actually a lot of fun I suggest you try it, it feels like your story doesn't end.😊😁
Yes but actually no, we all play the protagonist. Jk, love the video it is an interesting topic. But I like the idea that it is all separate characters. Edit: please do a video on what 10 things you want from Elder Scrolls 6
@@grefsteel3989 it should be 2024 at latest as they've submitted a patent which means they have to have it out before all their extentions are up on 2024 or else they lose the patent and have to refile and submit it which would cost too much. So unless they waste money it should be out by 2024 at latest
Dunmer do view Lorkhan ("The Scarab") as integral in inspiring Veloth and teaching mortals the Walking Ways. Boethiah was also quite enamored with Lorkhan and his philosophy...and hatred of Trinimac. The concept of CHIM could not be achieved without Lorkhan. The Chimer/Dunmer pay homage to Lorkhan and seem to be the only elves that do so. House Redoran's sigil is The Scarab and a nod to the Missing God.
There is one thing that makes you superior to Fudge Muppet, at least to me : The fact that more than going deep into researches, you actually put the pieces together perfectly with a great mix of imagination and logic, and that, I really appreciate. You are a true Godhead.
It makes sense honestly, since it would be totally fair for Lorkhan's main interest to lie in protecting the world he essentially authored. Whenever a threat pops up, he can imbue someone with the power to protect what he essentially died for. Personally I love that intepretation and hope it's canonized at some point.
Since the elder scrolls lore can be pretty meta, what if Lorekan represents the player, and so for however long we play the game, that is when the character is a Shezzarine.
When talking about why the Dragonborn may not be a Shezzarine, two key points were kind of discounted. Namely the fact that Shor disappeared when the Dragonborn entered Sovngarde, who is also able to sit on Shor’s throne, and that ghosts of people in Skyrim who have met previous Shezzarines actively mistake the Dragonborn for them and are convinced they are the same person. Both of these give far more merit to the idea that the Dragonborn is a Shezzarine than the argument about Talos
Tes isn't logical, talos is literally a combination of people including the shezzarine, so why can't the dragonborn be a partial combination of akatosh, shor, talos, shezzarine, and all the previous shezzarines, it explains a lot after all
Probably not, but it would’ve been very badass. I can see the Nerevarine being the same protagonist from Arena and Daggerfall, but Nerevarine is traveling Akavir and Hero of Kvatch is Sheogorath in Skyrim.
Thats my point bro, I can only truly see the dragon born being an aspect of shor as well as he is there in sovengard while shor isn't present and he can sit in shors throne
I just want a Elder scroll with the rules of Daggerfall where you can choose of you want to make the main story or just walk away from it and to let another person take your place.
I had a similar headcanon, but to justify why I kept recreating the same character in each game. The justification I have for more than one of them existing at the same time is the Dragon Break of The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall, which also split Mannimarco into multiple beings. In my headcanon, my character isn't possessed by a god, but they are favored by the gods, and are reincarnated whenever there is a need for them. Basically like Link from The Legend of Zelda.
I suggested this in another of your videos but I don't know if you saw it. A couple ideas I have are what the best course of action is for the Thirsk Mead Hall quest in Dragonborn and which Great House in Morrowind is the best to join from a moral standpoint? I hope my suggestions aren't annoying since I enjoy your content.
I always saw it as the protagonist was the son/daughter or grandson/granddaughter of the previous games protagonist. For instance the Dragonborn would be the grandkid of the Hero of Kvacht.
I believe all of skyrim's traveling people are the thing (I have no idea how to say it) because there are literal dragons that only one constantly high on skooma person can kill and they decide to go outside, transfer prisoners, fight amongst each other and hunt for game, not to mention mirrak and the vampires also my skyrim is cursed and I usually have 2 dragon souls for every shout
Considering corprus stops the aging process it's very possible you play as the same character since Morrowind. Champion of Cyrodil in Oblivion is confused as to why they're in prison. I'd say either divine or Akaviri magic at play there. Then the Dragonborn is captured crossing presumably the Cyrodil border. Perhaps the champion of Cyrodil and Sheogorath eventually became two separate beings. Much in the way Jyggalag and Sheogorath separated back in the day.
Lorkhan is literally the canon explanation for you, the player. When the player controls the character, through the eyes of the Elder Scrolls Universe, Lorkhan is controlling him.
Me: but how can they all be the same guy their timelines are spread hundreds of years apart in some cases and we meet our oblivion character in Skyrim as sheogorath Avarti: * pushes up glasses *
Very nice speculative video. Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch and The Last Dragonborn definitely have something in common - many people have played as all those 3 and are inspired by memories of those 3 heroes. On a more serious note, Nerevarine destroys the heart of Lorkhan. It's hard to believe that Lorkhan would inspire him to do so. Lorkhan's spirit wasn't bound by the heart in any way - the heart was rather an extremely powerful artifacts that Almsivi and Dagoth Ur could use how they pleased. As for the Dragonborn, I like the theory that all people with dragon blood were actually manifestation of Akatosh. He is the dragon god, so I believe that his magic powers those who can bear Amulet of Kings or learn the ways of Thuum. For Hero of Kvatch, Shezarrine is the most fitting. He was so powerful that it makes sense that some deity aided him in his adventures before he became Sheogorath. Those theories are fun, because we can never know an answer. This is why Morrowind was so brilliant with disappearance of the Dwemer and the death of Indoril Nerevar. We can never know how it happened, mystery truly fuels fantasy stories.
I mean, I made a Dunmer named "Meriah Dreslore" in TES Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. I did this to make the games feel like they were all one protagonist and because Dunmer can live a long time, it seemed appropriate.
@Avarti You should do a video on wether or not to kill Verulus from the hall of the dead in markarth and claim the ring of Namira if you haven't already! Love the vids keep it up 👌
The biggest problem with this is that your skills would be reset by the start of the events of each game. But I get around it by playing on PC and simply start each game maxed out all around, even starting if possible as a Vampire Lord and Werewolf.
I think that the Shezarrine`s are a thing and that the last dragonborn is one. Because the ghost in the one tavern thinks that your Talos and when you are in Sovangarde Shor( the nordish aspect of Lorkhan) is not present and you can sit on his throne and in tes are throne´s of "gods" directly linked to there "god", like Sheogorath throne in the shivering Iles
Imagine if the protagonist of elderscrolls 6 is finally called the Shezarrine revealing that every protagonist was connected something grand like that since it might be Todd Howard's last elderscrolls game he said in an interview.
It is interesting that they *technically* could be the same guy. We know the nerevarine *went* to akavir, but we don't know if he could have come back in time for the oblivion crisis. He's immortal now, after the corprus. And it makes sense for that kind of power to inspire further blessings, such as the dragon blood.
I've always thought that the Nerevarrine, Kvatch, and Dragonborn were all being put into these positions of immortality in an attempt by the godhead (Hodd Toward) to be brought together at the end. Perhaps we're working towards some kind of Endgame event. Perhaps Magnus returns to wipe clean Mundus for the Magna-Gee. Perhaps Lorkhan will be reconstituted and we will have to gather these legends from across time to fight this multi-planar threat. Just imagine Magnus or Lorkhan materializing into the mortal plane and you get to see Shegorath face off against them only to be forcibly ripped apart to separate Sheo and Kvatch. Either Lorkhans Revenge story against the gods or Magnus removing the impetulant children that claim divinity.
I suspect Lorkhan blesses people somehow that he deems fit to serve his will, ostensibly to protect his creation, Nirn. The Nerevarine ultimately stops Dagoth Ur, who's desire is to ultimately conquer Nirn with his plague and diseased servants. The Hero of Kvetch ultimately stops the worst Daedric Invasion since Molag Bals attempt. The Dragonborn happens to emerge just as Alduin comes out of the time warp the Elder Scrolls caused to prevent him from claiming overlordship or possibly consuming the world.
I mean you could take sotha sils words in eso as he implies you're an aspect of the god head and thats why you have the abilities you do, the neriverine is immortal because the god head willed it, the dragon born is the dragon born because he willed it and the hero of kavach is the hero of kavach because he willed it. Youre the god head as a lucid dream. Sorry for any wrong spelling
I think that’s it’s a good idea to disconnect the links from Shezarrine to Lorkhan and to connect it rather to a person that has achieved chim and realized that they can control the world. This solves the problem of Lorkhan having to possess someone and gives total creativity over to the player. I think it’s more important to say that each PLAYER is a Shezarrine in and of themselves.
Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Dr. Sam Beckett stepped into the quantum leap accelerator and vanished. He awoke to find himself in the lower deck of a ship, and then a prison, and then a horse drawn carriage, facing mirror images that were not his own, and driven by an unknown force to change history for all of Nirn.
It’s been 4 YEARS since I’ve started playing Skyrim. And even now, I’m still learning new things about it...I love the elder scrolls so much. Let’s hope elder scrolls 6 isn’t a fail and Bethesda actually uses current technology to create the game.
The Last Dragonborn gets the title Ysmir; dragon of the north. A title held by other shezarrines like Tiber Septim and Wulfharth. Talos (who has mantled Lorkhan) is also known as Ysmir to the nords. A small connection but I think it lends legitimacy to the idea that the Last Dragonborn is most likely a shezarrine.
Easily disproven, Nerevarine leaves for Akavir, Champion is new Sheogorath, Dovah would be the only one who could be an aspect of Lorkhan, considering the throne sitting in sovngarde.
All protagonist are Shezarrine and there's a dragon break during each of the games, which explain why the Hero of Kvatch was a Khajit champion of the arena, a dark elf high mage at the academy, and a breton which also was the grey fox, or an altmer that defeated an aldmeri king, or...
Everytime we the player controls a character, we create a Dragonbreak because nothing that we do is really relevant to to next game in the sense that if we joint say the darkbrotherhood or something, all we will be remebered for is simply being the said hero, you can run with this any direction that you want, but all the other things are simply not talked about other that the event that has to be
@Avarti hey dude, I'm a new subscriber and I really enjoy your videos. I've just watched your videos on Skyrim NPCs who are idiots, again really good. However in the video of Harkon being an idiot which while really good I have one sort of nitpick as it were about the argument of how is plan is dumb, while blotting out the sun which would result in the deaths of all plants and by extension the animals and people therefore depriving the vampires of their sustenance and would result in their deaths is a valid point, it actually doesn't apply to Elder Scrolls vampires as vampires drinking blood in ES is more to subdue their powers to and make their appearance less bestial. Harkon himself even says he doesn't require blood to survive stating its for "lesser creatures", my proof of this is Serana and her mother who have both survived for thousands of years without mortal blood with his wife being in the soul cairn and his daughter being in a crypt. Other than that I agree with your assessment that his plan is really stupid 😆 Looking forward to watch more of your videos
In Dragonborn, you don't "possess the power of the Thu'um". You're the Dragonborn. The Greybeards possess the power of the Thu'um. Ulfric possesses the power of the Thu'um. It's a biiiiiit different. And it's Pelinal. Not Pelenial. I don't think I'll be watching this after all.
if Sheogorath was the dragon born the whole time . Sheogorath: I'm bored!!! and not even cheese is doing it for me!!! I have brilliant idea, I'll turn myself mortal and go to skyrim get myself beheaded. now that would be entertaining!!! in skyrim, on the chopping block as the dragon born. Sheogorath: hmm, I feel like it's missing something. I know, a dragon! everyone loves dragons!! dragons make everything better. after dragon attack. Sheogorath: well that was fun! guess I'll go dick around for a bit.
Maybe after the Shivering Isles DLC when HOK becomes Sheogorath he remains a Shezzarine, Lorkhan is an aspect of Padomay (chaos) after all. I don’t think it’s impossible, let me know if I’m wrong
Being Dragonborn means your soul is part of the Akatoshian Oversoul. This gives you not only an intuive understanding of the Thu'um, but also allows you to assimilate dragon souls (as you're reintegrating parts of yourself in a way). I'm not so sure whether a Dragonborn can be a Shezzarine. Tiber Septim manteling Lorkhan is another matter, as with the Hero of Kvatch manteling Sheo or Mannimarco trying to mantle Molag. Or Dagon and Vivec playing a game of manteling at the Battle of Red Mountains. You don't need to be a Shezzarine to try and do that.
Technically you could play as a altmer mage in each game whose a latebloomer dragonborn due to lack of dragon souls to absorb. since the three games take place within 400 years, a mage could prolong their life and the altmer live long lives to begin with.
They're almost certainly all Shezzarine, as what the player can do in a single-player ES game universally surpasses what anyone/everyone else can do eventually, which pretty much describes a Shezzarine in the lore.
Dovahkiin: "The hero of Kvatch? I haven’t heard about that man in a long time..."
NPC: "You know the hero of Kvatch?"
Dovahkiin: "Well of course I know him. He’s me!"
A man of culture I see
Actually he's Sheogorath
@@spyrofrost9158 Being a deity of pure madness can get boring, so why not pass the helm to Haskill and go on more adventures on Nirn?
@@APumpkinHobo because he tells the dovakin that he's the hero of kvatch.
Hello there
The Last Dragonborn: *dies*
... _opens eyes again_
Doc Mitchell: You're awake, how about that. Woah, easy there, easy. You've been out cold for a couple of days now. Why don't you just relax a second, get your bearings?
2nd like, also this is just a skyrim cart meme remade... and i love it
3rd like but ur gonna get a lot of them
Flame o nator 04 it is _always_ worth bringing this legendary meme format back up 😎😏
TLB, now the Courier: I don't know who I am, I don't know where I am, all I know is I must kill.
164th like im literally so cool
"Wait, it's all Lorkhan?"
- "Always has been"
Wait nobody cared?
Always has been
Egg
@@ltghost8478 salty virgin alert
@@grilledleeks6514 wait i dont care
Always has been
Talo's And Akatosh Are Linked To Lorkhan
I've heard it said that the Dragonborn is a likely Shezzarine because they are able to sit upon Shor(Lorkhan)'s throne in Sovangarde.
It has never been said that only Lorkhan or it's variants can sit on that specific chair, this is not canon.
@@Matheus-ft2oj also, Sheogorath
69th like and I saw it on canelworks
@@artifexdebello2568 oh, so you live in Vivec?
So, i can sit on things I’m not supposed to too.
So basically, each protagonist of each Elder Scroll game is similar to the Spirit of the Hero, from the Legend of Zelda.
An entity that is not generally reincarnated as a blood descendant, but is born in response to a future calamity.
If Akatosh is the God of Time, and has claim over the protagonist's soul.
Does that make the protagonist the Hero of Time? (Or Link?)
*Mute Protagonist
*Like small portable containers
*Most notable trailer appearances are with sword and shield.
Your not mute you do talk to people by choosing what to say so they can hear you but the player can't
@@Skeletoncross so has Zelda
Aether Veilborne Akatosh doesn’t lay claim to the protagonists soul though
Zelda Doe's Have A Similarity The Link From Ocarina Of Time is The Same Spirit As The Breath Of The Wild Link
Bold of you to assume that Bethesda knows their own lore well enough to construct such a complex explanation for their games.
That's a silly reduction of Bethesda's storytelling. Dont get me wrong Bethesda deserves to be drug around till they put out another quality single player game.
That being said, while the company may not know or care so much about the broad lore you can be certain the people they employ to catalogue the lore from their games certainly have a grasp of these concepts equal to any lore youtuber.
They literally are the lore lmao they know what they're doing when they do it and they have the lore based excuses for when they can't do things exact to the previous lore
It’s a theory. It’s not supposed to take into Bethesda into consideration. Do you seriously believe that’s the way theories work?
@@Lighty-jz2gm It's just a joke dude calm your tits. It's a joke on how most companies dont dig too deep into their lore like fans do.
bethesda employees watching this video: *viciously scrawling down notes*
Nirn is Lorkhan's plane right? So it follows that he can influence it even if he's 'dead'
Since Gods exist out of time in TES it is possible
There's even some that suggests that Lorkhan IS Nirn
@@firmanchristiansianturi4794mean his body is the moons, ebony ore is his blood and his heart is in a volcano so yeah pretty much.
@@firmanchristiansianturi4794 Nirn is his offspring - literally and metaphorically (though the two can interlap in TES' dream-logic). That or the races/species spawned on Nirn are all his offspring, if his death rattle "impregnated" it and we assume the Ehlnofey were the actual bones of Tamriel...
I just headcanon the protagonists are from the same family line
Same here
So I'm not the only one
I could rock with that
I do that sometimes When I play a Dark elf I give them the same family name, Uthian, Durthenan, and Lurien Kerbrar. But I don't always play A Dark elf I just have at least once in every game. Some times I'm in the mood to be a Breton or an Orc.
Jojo style?
Sole Survivor: *dies*
Ralof: Hey, you. Your finally awake
Meanwhile Arena and Daggerfall crying in the corner...
@mdx u ok there buddy?
Arena i wont discuss much, it has flaws, but so do most rpgs of the early 90's. But Daggerfall was a technical masterpiece, it expanded on a rich universe.
I prefer daggerfall and morrowind over skyrim mediocrity any day.
I have a theory that they're all aspects of the Dreamer - hence why the universe still seemingly revolves around them
It's like the Dreamer taking form as a character within the dream, almost like Lucid Dreaming
So the dreamer is cannon? Just asking because I’ve heard some people say it is and others saying it isn’t.
I like this idea. Every new game is another dream in
it's mind.
@@michaeljenner2325 Why wouldn't it be cannon?
Kevin Lucey I’ve just heard people say it isn’t.
Awesome idea!I headcannon that protagonists achieve some kind of Chim in their later lives after all the adventure and realise they are one with lorkan (and all the other heroes) and not more some powerfull mortals.Even if they are elves cuz not all the elves hate Lorkhan (dunmer specially) and He surely doesnt make didference between races,children of his creation and sacrifice.But your theory sounds even grandier...
Or am i a different person each time i play a new elder scrolls?
Damn bro, that's deep.
Depends on how spread in time the plays are i guess
You are a different person each time you play another guilds in each game,
Imagine living as a Dunmer masterrace only to later be reincarnated into some Nord beast whose life and lands are forfeit.
Now I'm imagining a reluctant hero possessed by the trickster God rused into some antics that somehow end up saving nirn, with some straight man crazy man banter that just looks like he's talking to himself to others perspective.
The main protagonists of the series being Shezarines was a theory that I believed in at one point, as all of the different characters varying between race, gender, playstyle and choices across different possible timelines - represented by the different playthroughs of every one who has ever played an Elder Scrolls game - would fit Lorkhan's chaotic and unpredictable nature. This seems to be supported, or at least referenced in-universe, as Cyrus, the protagonist of The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard is said to be an incarnation of the Hoon Ding, which, conceptually is the Redguard equivalent of a Shezarine, as their God manifesting in mortal form to save the world in times of need.
However, this theory changed for me a few years ago with the Clockwork City DLC for the Elder Scrolls Online, where at the end of the main questline, Sotha Sil refers to the player as The Prisoner, who is apparently a being of great power. While there are some characters in the series that on some level become aware that they're just characters in a video game series, like Vivec, Sotha Sil and Sheogorath, and this awareness gives them knowledge and powers that even deities in the universe don't have, such as them having knowledge of future events, which out of universe have already happened but haven't happened in-universe yet, such as Sheogorath in ESO referencing reassembling the Staff of Chaos and the Numidium, and Vivec in his sermons alluding to save states, being killed in one playthrough but then the player starting a new save file. However, while this makes them powerful, they're still bound by the rules of just being NPC's in a game and can't actually affect anything that happens. The Prisoner, meanwhile isn't bound by these limitations and can do things that no other being in this universe can do, such as stop time to instantly rearrange your gear and loadout, consume 50 cheese wheels in an instant to heal completely, go back in time on a whim to redo events and undo defeats - which makes them literally unbeatable - making every other person in the world stronger or weaker - by changing the difficulty. Some versions of the Prisoner can even do things like outright erase a being's existence, teleport somewhere else, or spawn objects and living things out of pure nothingness: aka, PC players using console commands. The title of Prisoner is a reference to every protagonist starting off as a prisoner in the beginning of the game. Plus, of every single Elder Scrolls game, including Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO, Legends, Blades, all of the phone games and more, ESO is the first game chronologically, making the Vestige the first incarnation of the Prisoner. In terms of power, the Prisoner, who reprsents the player, is second only to the Godhead, who represents Bethesda. While the players can make anything they want happen within their game file, Bethesda can make anything they want happen within the series as a whole.
I know that this is getting really meta, but a lot of the Elder Scrolls lore is really meta.
Listen to Sotha Sil's dialogue at the end of the Clockwork City DLC; it has a lot of meta commentary. He all but states that he doesn't really want to even be there talking to you, and the only reason he is is because he's scripted to appear at that stage of the questline. He's at the mercy of his programming and voice actor, and once the quests ends, since he doesn't have to be there anymore, he leaves. Notably, he's the only one of the Tribunal that you can't speak with at any time.
The Shezarrine is a HUMAN not an elf or beastfolk because Lorkhan is the God of Humans. The Hero of Kvatch, the Last Dragonborn, the Eternal Champion and the Hero of Daggerfall are believed to be Shezarrines because they were human beings. Lorkhan is the Enemy of Elves. Pelinal Whitestrake, Wulfharth, Zurin Arctus and Tiber Septim were all Shezarrines because they were Humans and they protected and led the human species against the elven species.
Yes I believe The Shezzarines existed. And that Lorkhan still has enough power to manifest in multiple people.
I also am 99% certain the Nerevarine IS a shezzarine. And that Nerevar is a aspect of Shezar meaning the Neraverine DEFINITELY is a shezzarine. It was propheciezed he would return. What wasnt propheciezed is just how many times he would return.
Moving on to the champion of Cyrodil, I believe Lorkhan never left him/her therefore Lorkhan and Sheogorath are now one being. Which would explain why Sheo in Skyrim was interested in repairing Pelagius's shattered psyche. It would also explain why Sheogorath in skyrim is much less "insane?" Because he is now 3 separate beings. Due to the curse of sheogorath, sheogorath HAS to exist. Therefore any who mantle him giggity HAVE to become sheogorath. There is no choice. You become Sheogorath you lose yourself.
Now let's look at the parallels between Lorkhan and Jyggalag. Both of them were screwed by their respective sects, for evil or good or simply out of fear and anger. I dont know.
Both were at one point so powerful, for different reasons, their respective groups Aedra and Daedra had to band together with their power to stop them.
Now Jyggalag has left Sheo and Sheogorath is both CoC and Lorkhan. In other words, Lorkhan the trickster tricked Sheogorath!!!! How the fk does someone sheogorath??? Maybe he didnt. Sheogorath knew he didnt actually exist as his own being. He just wanted the Greymarch to stop. In other words, Sheogorath is the MANTLE OF MADNESS. Not the daedra of madness, he his the MANTLE. The TITLE.
Going by this theory I think Lorkhan left TCOC just in time to avoid becoming madness itself but enough to to still have control over Tcoc. Therefore Lorkhan now has the full unbridled power of the mad god at his disposal, is DEFINITELY looking for his Heart, and if he finds it? Well, Lorkhan would be unstoppable. With the madness of sheogorath who is already a genius, the raw unbridled trickster incarnate that is Lorkhan, yeah it's safe to say that much power and deceit would be enough to bring the Aedra and Daedra together to stop him. But only after centuries of deceit.
And that's how Elder Scrolls becomes Fallout
Lorkhan is actually a part of multiple gods, sheogorath, shor, and talos, maybe more idk, of course also the main characters and many other important individuals in the lore, he's a constant influence in everything
But elder scrolls is the future of fallout
Vault 13 I heard a similar theory, but reversed the Elder Scrolls being a prequel to Fallout
It's cool that the concept of dragon breaks alone is enough to make all theories about playable events in the ES saga true. Especially if you see that as a colliding of parallel universe (even one in which Fallout's Earth is a distant past/future version of planet Nirn)
Cesare Cavallini I think that’s canon actually, I don’t remember where, but I am pretty sure I heard about some fallout raiders worshipping Daedra.
the problem with elder scrolls lore is that you cant always rely on logic, some things just dont make sense but it doesnt matter anyway as it is a figment of the godhead's imagination
I remember reading that the idea is you're that godhead and manifest yourself through shezzarines to influence the world
@@jonathanpilcher337 that seems like a very plausable theory, as the "user" (i use that term loosely related to tron) of these games
You're always the same entity in control of these heroes. So dubbing the "user" as godhead dreaming the aubur and then lucidly injecting control over it using these shezzarines is exact parallel comparison whats happening irl
Godhead: Developer
Shezzarines: Gamers
Hotel: Trivago
To be honest I always played my games as the same character. This would explain why they’re always in jail with no memory. Can you please do more Breton videos? Whether about their lore or their characterization. I always love your videos. Thank you so much.
Doubt you would see this but what race do you play
@@dreadblock7592 usually Breton bosmer you
@@shawnberry760 Orc,
Heard a sound theory that the Dragonborn was an aspect of Shor, who is also suppose to be Lorkin if I remember right. But the evidence hung on the Dragonborn being able to sit on Shor's throne in Sovngarde. Making the Dragonborn like a reincarnation of Shor.
I've read various fanfics where the protagonist of each game is the reincarnation of same entity (and i use entity cause sometimes they were never human in the first place but a piece/fragment/aspect of deity or something like that) and in a few cases they would remember their past lives.
If you're wondering what fanfics have to do with the lore of TES then you never participated in a discussion about Apocryphas and Dragon breaks.
I would love to see a dialogue between Sheogorath and the LD in Skyrim.
Sheogorath: You, I have never met you, yet you feel so familiar, like I know you. Like I always have been connected to you.
LD: I don't know who you are
Plot twist! We have been playing as Lorkhan the whole time.
There's these two mods where the Dragonborn can meet the protagonists of Oblivion and Morrowind
Grey Cowl of Nocturnal
And
Moon and Star
I wondered this myself. Pre watch it's obvious almost that they're Lorkhan
Or they're just the player character so they have to be "better" than the NPCs or the story wouldn't progress. At this point I doubt they are but future narrative might be written to "confirm" it.
Perhaps it isn’t a case of being an Aspect at all, but perhaps a case where each time Nirn is faced with a crisis, Lorkhan empowers individuals he sees as being in the best chance to stop it. Not fully being mantled, so the heroes are very much mortal, and such when the Hero mantled Sheogorath, Lorkhan merely stepped aside as he knew his influence wouldn’t be required anymore.
For the Nereverine, it could still be the case, but perhaps rather than he himself influencing matters, he channels Nerevar himself to do so. It can really become very muddled and conflicted very quickly here.
Though the so called “Last Dragonborn” would perhaps be a more “pure” case if you will of Lorkhan/Shor being more fully involved and perhaps manifesting in the character themselves, which is why Shor’s Throne is literally vacant and you are told you just can’t see him. Clearly, you would see nothing there if you two were one. Add on to being able to actually sit upon his Throne yourself, which could be further proof you truly are Ysmir (A title primarily) or it could just be an oversight by the devs to not program something to not allow you to use said Throne.
So Lorkhan could manifest in various degrees depending on how much power he has at the time, or simply by how much involved he is needed to be with whichever crisis going on at the time.
Synth Wendigo maybe he has something to do with the elder scrolls
That about Shor’s throne; is there anything in the lore or Skyrim itself that states that only Shor is capable of sitting on the throne? As in, is there some force preventing anyone other than Shor? Because, I mean, it’s just a large and fancy chair. If nothing is stated to be preventing it, then anyone could just sit down in it and only the LDB is rude enough.
I ve played all the games and in my head cannon They were all the same hero repeatedly reincarnated to sometimes accidentally.
save the world. After all they are all played by me.
I am working on alets play series where a family(atmoran/Nord) Family are the heros. Dad was the Nevarine, Mom was the Unnamed Hero From Legends. Older brother was the hero Of Kvatch. Grandp was Ysmir uncle was Ysgrimmor a cousin was the champion from arena . The agaent from Daggerfall etc.
I am Patching all Lore from the Atmoran/ Wild Ehlnofey/Nord Point of view anmd Pantheon
Yes I know Ysmir and Ysgrimmor are not playable hero's its just for the Playthrough Cannon
Lots of Ideas And working on the mod lists and Video editing. I am going to be doing playthroughs of all the games tape and edit them .
Not redguard I cant even get it to launch But I will be doing arena,(If I can get an old drive to get the disc to launch. Battlespire etc
If I'm correct it's stated the world is a godhead's imagination and you're that godhead who manifests themself through the shazzarines to influence the world
@@jonathanpilcher337 I like the way you think.
It is not actually stated in the Canon lore...I think that was a Kirkbride statement that is generally accepted.
Alot of Fudgemuppets and Avarti's stuff is Highly dependent on Kirkbride and non canonn sources.
But enjoyable nontheless. But I tend to agree with Many things.
@@lharchmage6908 yea i follow whatever serious accepted lore there is, if its otherwise officially stated tes isn't a dream I'll accept that, although I'm pretty sure you're always a shezzarine and you're supposed to be lorkhan's influence either way
@@jonathanpilcher337 agreed
Only the Main Character can master the elements and save the world.
It would make sense for Lorkhan to manifest through these heroes of Tamriel. Nirn is his creation after all and I believe he does what he can to protect it.
He's a part of some gods too, sheogorath, shor, talos, and maybe more, he manifests himself through great heroes throughout the games and lore, basically he's a constant influence in everything
@@jonathanpilcher337 yes, exactly
This theory could be extended further in that the player is Lorkhan and the character they control in each Elder Scrolls game is a Shezarrine and the time for which they are imbued with your power is the timeline of each game.
love the vids avarti. keep up the good content 👍
The way it sounds is that whenever there's problems in the world lorkhan will imbue an individual with the ability to overcome whatever challenges that will be put in place in order to solve those problems. In a sense taking a random NPC and making them a player character in the world.
This is funny, because every time I make an Elder Scrolls character I make him a vampire give him the same name, and create a backstory like he's the same guy in every game. It's actually a lot of fun I suggest you try it, it feels like your story doesn't end.😊😁
Yes but actually no, we all play the protagonist. Jk, love the video it is an interesting topic. But I like the idea that it is all separate characters.
Edit: please do a video on what 10 things you want from Elder Scrolls 6
10 things? Here’s one thing I want from the Elder Scrolls VI:
1.) Exist before 2045
That’s it lol.
@@realzachfluke1 how about before 2025 at least
Gref Steel for real though, if it’s later than 2025, I’m gonna be pretty upset lol
@@grefsteel3989 it should be 2024 at latest as they've submitted a patent which means they have to have it out before all their extentions are up on 2024 or else they lose the patent and have to refile and submit it which would cost too much. So unless they waste money it should be out by 2024 at latest
Dunmer do view Lorkhan ("The Scarab") as integral in inspiring Veloth and teaching mortals the Walking Ways. Boethiah was also quite enamored with Lorkhan and his philosophy...and hatred of Trinimac. The concept of CHIM could not be achieved without Lorkhan. The Chimer/Dunmer pay homage to Lorkhan and seem to be the only elves that do so. House Redoran's sigil is The Scarab and a nod to the Missing God.
There is one thing that makes you superior to Fudge Muppet, at least to me : The fact that more than going deep into researches, you actually put the pieces together perfectly with a great mix of imagination and logic, and that, I really appreciate. You are a true Godhead.
Sure but the last Dragonborn literally meats the hero of Kvatch as sheogorath, as sheogorath in Skyrim talks about how he was in the oblivion crisis
Haven't seen that Skyrim trailer for a long time, that takes me back
It makes sense honestly, since it would be totally fair for Lorkhan's main interest to lie in protecting the world he essentially authored. Whenever a threat pops up, he can imbue someone with the power to protect what he essentially died for.
Personally I love that intepretation and hope it's canonized at some point.
Since the elder scrolls lore can be pretty meta, what if Lorekan represents the player, and so for however long we play the game, that is when the character is a Shezzarine.
I love your content. Glad this was a longer video!
When talking about why the Dragonborn may not be a Shezzarine, two key points were kind of discounted. Namely the fact that Shor disappeared when the Dragonborn entered Sovngarde, who is also able to sit on Shor’s throne, and that ghosts of people in Skyrim who have met previous Shezzarines actively mistake the Dragonborn for them and are convinced they are the same person. Both of these give far more merit to the idea that the Dragonborn is a Shezzarine than the argument about Talos
The Last Dragonborn is the living aspect of Akatosh though, he's not a Shezzarine.
Source?
Tes isn't logical, talos is literally a combination of people including the shezzarine, so why can't the dragonborn be a partial combination of akatosh, shor, talos, shezzarine, and all the previous shezzarines, it explains a lot after all
Hes the living aspect of Shor
We are speaking of a game which literally takes place in some random dude's dream. bro logic does not exist here.
Talo's Like Akatosh is A Very important Character in The Elder Scroll's
I always liked to believe that they are all from the same bloodline.
That would involve Sheogorath having a child
DeadWinD could’ve had a child before mantling Sheogorath, when he/she was still mortal
@@logankeen8122 what about the neriverine just like existing just before the events of oblivion, being immortal, a Dunmer and in akavir
Joshuaquinn48 it’s possible, however you want to play it!
Probably not, but it would’ve been very badass. I can see the Nerevarine being the same protagonist from Arena and Daggerfall, but Nerevarine is traveling Akavir and Hero of Kvatch is Sheogorath in Skyrim.
Thats my point bro, I can only truly see the dragon born being an aspect of shor as well as he is there in sovengard while shor isn't present and he can sit in shors throne
Plot twist: You play each Elder Scrolls game as Lorkhan, and once the game is done you leave the body. That is why you control each character :)
It does make sense when you realize that each of the protagonists stop their world from falling out of itself.
I just want a Elder scroll with the rules of Daggerfall where you can choose of you want to make the main story or just walk away from it and to let another person take your place.
I had a similar headcanon, but to justify why I kept recreating the same character in each game. The justification I have for more than one of them existing at the same time is the Dragon Break of The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall, which also split Mannimarco into multiple beings. In my headcanon, my character isn't possessed by a god, but they are favored by the gods, and are reincarnated whenever there is a need for them. Basically like Link from The Legend of Zelda.
what if the player, the person behind the screen, is Lorkhan?
I suggested this in another of your videos but I don't know if you saw it. A couple ideas I have are what the best course of action is for the Thirsk Mead Hall quest in Dragonborn and which Great House in Morrowind is the best to join from a moral standpoint? I hope my suggestions aren't annoying since I enjoy your content.
You know you're out of the loop with this fandom when he says the Hero of Kvach is Sheogorath. I had to do a double take xD
I always saw it as the protagonist was the son/daughter or grandson/granddaughter of the previous games protagonist. For instance the Dragonborn would be the grandkid of the Hero of Kvacht.
This is a funny idea.
"I just want to chill but I can't stop getting arrested and saving the world."
hey man had a rlly bad day and ur videos cheered me up...thanks.
I believe all of skyrim's traveling people are the thing (I have no idea how to say it) because there are literal dragons that only one constantly high on skooma person can kill and they decide to go outside, transfer prisoners, fight amongst each other and hunt for game, not to mention mirrak and the vampires
also my skyrim is cursed and I usually have 2 dragon souls for every shout
I wouldn't think that the Dragonborn is a manifestation of Lorkan because the dragon blood is specifically a gift bestowed by Akatosh, the dragon-god
Talo's And Akatosh Are Very important Character's in The Elder Scroll's
Considering corprus stops the aging process it's very possible you play as the same character since Morrowind. Champion of Cyrodil in Oblivion is confused as to why they're in prison. I'd say either divine or Akaviri magic at play there. Then the Dragonborn is captured crossing presumably the Cyrodil border. Perhaps the champion of Cyrodil and Sheogorath eventually became two separate beings. Much in the way Jyggalag and Sheogorath separated back in the day.
Lorkhan is literally the canon explanation for you, the player. When the player controls the character, through the eyes of the Elder Scrolls Universe, Lorkhan is controlling him.
If the Godhead is the Toddhead, it is possible that being controlled by the player is sufficient to be considered Shezarrine.
Me: but how can they all be the same guy their timelines are spread hundreds of years apart in some cases and we meet our oblivion character in Skyrim as sheogorath
Avarti: * pushes up glasses *
Very nice speculative video. Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch and The Last Dragonborn definitely have something in common - many people have played as all those 3 and are inspired by memories of those 3 heroes.
On a more serious note, Nerevarine destroys the heart of Lorkhan. It's hard to believe that Lorkhan would inspire him to do so. Lorkhan's spirit wasn't bound by the heart in any way - the heart was rather an extremely powerful artifacts that Almsivi and Dagoth Ur could use how they pleased. As for the Dragonborn, I like the theory that all people with dragon blood were actually manifestation of Akatosh. He is the dragon god, so I believe that his magic powers those who can bear Amulet of Kings or learn the ways of Thuum. For Hero of Kvatch, Shezarrine is the most fitting. He was so powerful that it makes sense that some deity aided him in his adventures before he became Sheogorath. Those theories are fun, because we can never know an answer. This is why Morrowind was so brilliant with disappearance of the Dwemer and the death of Indoril Nerevar. We can never know how it happened, mystery truly fuels fantasy stories.
I mean, I made a Dunmer named "Meriah Dreslore" in TES Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. I did this to make the games feel like they were all one protagonist and because Dunmer can live a long time, it seemed appropriate.
@Avarti You should do a video on wether or not to kill Verulus from the hall of the dead in markarth and claim the ring of Namira if you haven't already! Love the vids keep it up 👌
My first playthrough since oblivion is always the same. A dark elf from the Delvoy family who becomes an arch mage and is an alcoholic.
I wish there was a 30+ minute video discussing this topic
The biggest problem with this is that your skills would be reset by the start of the events of each game. But I get around it by playing on PC and simply start each game maxed out all around, even starting if possible as a Vampire Lord and Werewolf.
I think that the Shezarrine`s are a thing and that the last dragonborn is one. Because the ghost in the one tavern thinks that your Talos and when you are in Sovangarde Shor( the nordish aspect of Lorkhan) is not present and you can sit on his throne and in tes are throne´s of "gods" directly linked to there "god", like Sheogorath throne in the shivering Iles
It’s the player who is the spirit of Lorkhan, possessing the characters as we play them ;) the developers are meta enough in other ways
1:33 Shezzar is his name in the Imperial pantheon.
Imagine if the protagonist of elderscrolls 6 is finally called the Shezarrine revealing that every protagonist was connected something grand like that since it might be Todd Howard's last elderscrolls game he said in an interview.
I had a similar idea but it was a more personal lore thing with me playing the same nord named Rodrick
It is interesting that they *technically* could be the same guy. We know the nerevarine *went* to akavir, but we don't know if he could have come back in time for the oblivion crisis. He's immortal now, after the corprus. And it makes sense for that kind of power to inspire further blessings, such as the dragon blood.
I've always thought that the Nerevarrine, Kvatch, and Dragonborn were all being put into these positions of immortality in an attempt by the godhead (Hodd Toward) to be brought together at the end.
Perhaps we're working towards some kind of Endgame event. Perhaps Magnus returns to wipe clean Mundus for the Magna-Gee. Perhaps Lorkhan will be reconstituted and we will have to gather these legends from across time to fight this multi-planar threat.
Just imagine Magnus or Lorkhan materializing into the mortal plane and you get to see Shegorath face off against them only to be forcibly ripped apart to separate Sheo and Kvatch. Either Lorkhans Revenge story against the gods or Magnus removing the impetulant children that claim divinity.
I suspect Lorkhan blesses people somehow that he deems fit to serve his will, ostensibly to protect his creation, Nirn. The Nerevarine ultimately stops Dagoth Ur, who's desire is to ultimately conquer Nirn with his plague and diseased servants. The Hero of Kvetch ultimately stops the worst Daedric Invasion since Molag Bals attempt. The Dragonborn happens to emerge just as Alduin comes out of the time warp the Elder Scrolls caused to prevent him from claiming overlordship or possibly consuming the world.
Can't be. In Skyrim you meet Oblivion's protagonist as Sheogorath.
4:21
I mean you could take sotha sils words in eso as he implies you're an aspect of the god head and thats why you have the abilities you do, the neriverine is immortal because the god head willed it, the dragon born is the dragon born because he willed it and the hero of kavach is the hero of kavach because he willed it. Youre the god head as a lucid dream. Sorry for any wrong spelling
Nerevarine:Dies
Valen dreth:*starts slurring*
Hero of kvatch:Dies
Ralof:Hey you,you're finally awake
I think that’s it’s a good idea to disconnect the links from Shezarrine to Lorkhan and to connect it rather to a person that has achieved chim and realized that they can control the world. This solves the problem of Lorkhan having to possess someone and gives total creativity over to the player. I think it’s more important to say that each PLAYER is a Shezarrine in and of themselves.
Man if you uploaded these to a podcast platform id gladly pay if i could listen to it at work
Spoiler: They're all Sam Beckett quantum leaping trying to get home.
Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Dr. Sam Beckett stepped into the quantum leap accelerator and vanished. He awoke to find himself in the lower deck of a ship, and then a prison, and then a horse drawn carriage, facing mirror images that were not his own, and driven by an unknown force to change history for all of Nirn.
It’s been 4 YEARS since I’ve started playing Skyrim. And even now, I’m still learning new things about it...I love the elder scrolls so much. Let’s hope elder scrolls 6 isn’t a fail and Bethesda actually uses current technology to create the game.
Just make an elf in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim with the same name and body
Haven’t even watched the video but Sheogorath is the player character from Oblivion.
Well the Nerevarine was immortal and it wouldn't be out of character for sheogorath to send an aspect of himself to mess with mortals
Hes also in Akavir i believe. Also, Our character in Oblivion became uncle Sheo at the end of Elderscrolls 4.
The Last Dragonborn gets the title Ysmir; dragon of the north. A title held by other shezarrines like Tiber Septim and Wulfharth. Talos (who has mantled Lorkhan) is also known as Ysmir to the nords. A small connection but I think it lends legitimacy to the idea that the Last Dragonborn is most likely a shezarrine.
Easily disproven, Nerevarine leaves for Akavir, Champion is new Sheogorath, Dovah would be the only one who could be an aspect of Lorkhan, considering the throne sitting in sovngarde.
All protagonist are Shezarrine and there's a dragon break during each of the games, which explain why the Hero of Kvatch was a Khajit champion of the arena, a dark elf high mage at the academy, and a breton which also was the grey fox, or an altmer that defeated an aldmeri king, or...
Everytime we the player controls a character, we create a Dragonbreak because nothing that we do is really relevant to to next game in the sense that if we joint say the darkbrotherhood or something, all we will be remebered for is simply being the said hero, you can run with this any direction that you want, but all the other things are simply not talked about other that the event that has to be
Bethesda: Shezawhat? Lorkhan... isn't he the tavernkeep in Whiteroom?
@Avarti hey dude, I'm a new subscriber and I really enjoy your videos. I've just watched your videos on Skyrim NPCs who are idiots, again really good. However in the video of Harkon being an idiot which while really good I have one sort of nitpick as it were about the argument of how is plan is dumb, while blotting out the sun which would result in the deaths of all plants and by extension the animals and people therefore depriving the vampires of their sustenance and would result in their deaths is a valid point, it actually doesn't apply to Elder Scrolls vampires as vampires drinking blood in ES is more to subdue their powers to and make their appearance less bestial. Harkon himself even says he doesn't require blood to survive stating its for "lesser creatures", my proof of this is Serana and her mother who have both survived for thousands of years without mortal blood with his wife being in the soul cairn and his daughter being in a crypt. Other than that I agree with your assessment that his plan is really stupid 😆 Looking forward to watch more of your videos
I wonder what would happen if all the protagonist's were put up against each other
In Dragonborn, you don't "possess the power of the Thu'um". You're the Dragonborn. The Greybeards possess the power of the Thu'um. Ulfric possesses the power of the Thu'um. It's a biiiiiit different. And it's Pelinal. Not Pelenial.
I don't think I'll be watching this after all.
if Sheogorath was the dragon born the whole time .
Sheogorath: I'm bored!!! and not even cheese is doing it for me!!!
I have brilliant idea, I'll turn myself mortal and go to skyrim get myself beheaded.
now that would be entertaining!!!
in skyrim, on the chopping block as the dragon born.
Sheogorath: hmm, I feel like it's missing something. I know, a dragon! everyone loves dragons!! dragons make everything better.
after dragon attack.
Sheogorath: well that was fun! guess I'll go dick around for a bit.
Maybe after the Shivering Isles DLC when HOK becomes Sheogorath he remains a Shezzarine, Lorkhan is an aspect of Padomay (chaos) after all. I don’t think it’s impossible, let me know if I’m wrong
Being Dragonborn means your soul is part of the Akatoshian Oversoul. This gives you not only an intuive understanding of the Thu'um, but also allows you to assimilate dragon souls (as you're reintegrating parts of yourself in a way).
I'm not so sure whether a Dragonborn can be a Shezzarine. Tiber Septim manteling Lorkhan is another matter, as with the Hero of Kvatch manteling Sheo or Mannimarco trying to mantle Molag. Or Dagon and Vivec playing a game of manteling at the Battle of Red Mountains. You don't need to be a Shezzarine to try and do that.
I read somewhere that arena and dagger falls protagonist are the same person
Technically you could play as a altmer mage in each game whose a latebloomer dragonborn due to lack of dragon souls to absorb. since the three games take place within 400 years, a mage could prolong their life and the altmer live long lives to begin with.
They're almost certainly all Shezzarine, as what the player can do in a single-player ES game universally surpasses what anyone/everyone else can do eventually, which pretty much describes a Shezzarine in the lore.
My personal head canon is that the playable character is the avatar of the Unconscious Dreamer. We know we are in a dream/game.
Maiq the Liar is Lorken, who has gone insane from losing his god-hood
Lorkhan: I...am inevitable.
Plot Twist Talo's is Lorkhan Look's Like The Nord's Were Right About Talo's And Akatosh Are Linked